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Buccaneer
08-12-2006, 05:57 PM
In light of Lance Armstrong's latest comments, I'm trying to recall what the policies are in NCAA and NFL regarding steroids and HGH use? Knowing relies more on (and encourages) explosive power and speed more than any other, is this the worse kept secret (assuming it's illegal) done for the good/popularity of the sport?

miami_fan
08-12-2006, 06:41 PM
I think it would be naive to believe that the HGH problem is significantly lower than in other sports since there is no test. There have a few suspensions for steriods use in the NFL. Julius Peppers is the last big name that I remember getting suspended. Recently there was a kid at USC who failed a steriod test. I don't remember the whole story as far as that one is concerned. Of course there was the doctor who was linked to the Panthers.

Joe
08-12-2006, 07:32 PM
We used them in high school

molson
08-12-2006, 07:38 PM
We used them in high school

I think people would be shocked how prevelant use is at the high school and low college levels.

Buccaneer
08-12-2006, 08:50 PM
It sounds like it is more acceptable to use such drugs in football than it is in baseball. Do we as fans accept this knowing that it is cool and desireable to see such power and speed, on the field/in the weight room/etc. but not in more individualistic sports such as baseball, track&field and cycling?

clintl
08-12-2006, 09:34 PM
It sounds like it is more acceptable to use such drugs in football than it is in baseball. Do we as fans accept this knowing that it is cool and desireable to see such power and speed, on the field/in the weight room/etc. but not in more individualistic sports such as baseball, track&field and cycling?

I don't know the reasons, but the NFL and college football have been getting a free pass for a long time on this issue, despite the fact that it is obvious something other than nature has been responsible for the immense growth in bulk and speed over the last couple of decades. The best explanation I've read (and I don't remember where, but it was only a few days ago) is that it's harder to detect the effects in football stats than in baseball stats. Plus, the NFL has better PR people than MLB.

molson
08-12-2006, 09:41 PM
Also, I think football players have been accepted as physical freaks for longer than their baseball counterparts. The average baseball player looked much like the average American for more than 100 years - then all of the sudden they look like pro wrestlers.

Football players, on the other hand, while bigger than ever, have always had that superhuman aura about them. In 1972, if you saw a huge guy, you might assume he played football.

TroyF
08-12-2006, 10:20 PM
I tink it simply comes down to PR. The NFL gets it, baseball doesn't. (and basketball doesn't when it comes to the officiating)

The NFL caters to the fan base and looks at its perception really hard. They were the first to have drug tests. They use replay. They change rules on a yearly basis when there is public outcry. (like the horse collar for example or the tougher defensive illegal contact rules)

While I think the NFL has a huge problem with steroids and HGH, the NFL has the perception of a league that understands where the problems are, what the fans want and they act as though they give a crap.

Even if they don't give a crap, that gives them somewhat of a pass.

Maple Leafs
08-12-2006, 11:52 PM
Also, I think football players have been accepted as physical freaks for longer than their baseball counterparts. The average baseball player looked much like the average American for more than 100 years - then all of the sudden they look like pro wrestlers.
Which is kind of silly... people point at Barry Bonds and say "come on, look at the guy, of course he's one steroids, he's as big as a house". And yet if Barry Bonds showed up to play linebacker for any NFL team they'd laugh his skinny, slow ass off the field.

thealmighty
08-12-2006, 11:55 PM
In light of Lance Armstrong's latest comments...

What did he say?

JeeberD
08-12-2006, 11:57 PM
Which is kind of silly... people point at Barry Bonds and say "come on, look at the guy, of course he's one steroids, he's as big as a house". And yet if Barry Bonds showed up to play linebacker for any NFL team they'd laugh his skinny, slow ass off the field.

Apples and oranges. It's all about how you put those steroids to use...

Maple Leafs
08-13-2006, 12:17 AM
Apples and oranges. It's all about how you put those steroids to use...
Right. The point is that people scoff at how naive we were about baseball players, yet we've got 280 lb football players running 4.30 and nobody seems to think there's a problem.

Desnudo
08-13-2006, 01:43 AM
I think people would be shocked how prevelant use is at the high school and low college levels.

I knew people taking in high school in the early 90s. I would be suprised if the number has dropped since then.

Eaglesfan27
08-13-2006, 02:53 AM
I knew people taking in high school in the early 90s. I would be suprised if the number has dropped since then.

Ditto on both accounts.

QuikSand
08-13-2006, 06:51 AM
I think a lot of this traces back to testing. The public is naive about drug testing, basically believing that if there's a testing program and only an occasional bozo gets caught, then things must be okay. They look right past the possibility that the testing is either non-random, allowing a savvy user to get around it by timing well, or simply not on the same level of spohistication as the drug users/makers, who manage to foil the tests even while using by having better technology, timing, masking agents, or whatever.

CraigSca
08-13-2006, 07:38 AM
No way...baseball is the only major sport with a steroid problem.

watravaler
08-13-2006, 02:09 PM
My cousin was a Saints practice squad FB for two seasons (not the friend of a cousin who happens to know a guy who is buddies with a guy who is on the squad, but a cousin I now work with once or twice a month) and he is always harping on the use of HGH by NFL players. Not going to put a number on it, because he simply uses the term "everybody", but the previous posters are correct in stating that the NFL is paying some very powerful people to keep this info under wraps.

QuikSand
08-13-2006, 04:24 PM
... the use of HGH by NFL players...

...the NFL is paying some very powerful people to keep this info under wraps.

They have a testing policy, they have no effective test for HGH, and therefore everyone wins -- the league gets to look like they are tough on cheaters, and the cheaters don't get caught. Who's being paid off?

Buccaneer
08-13-2006, 04:54 PM
So I assume HGH is a banned and/or illegal substance? If so, is this ethical? How can one speak out against drug use in society and to individuals yet condone the use within this sport at all levels? Is this hypocrisy at its best?

TroyF
08-13-2006, 05:02 PM
So I assume HGH is a banned and/or illegal substance? If so, is this ethical? How can one speak out against drug use in society and to individuals yet condone the use within this sport at all levels? Is this hypocrisy at its best?


Sure, it's unethical. It's also a PR dream. Again, what other sports don't seem to get is the public perception factor. The NFL does. And that's the reason it grows in popularity each year.

Buccaneer
08-13-2006, 05:21 PM
Sure the public can be fooled by the perception from PR but what about those that know better, like you Troy and those that are connected to the game at the various levels?

Yes, I am fishing for something but haven't got there yet.

Easy Mac
08-13-2006, 05:28 PM
I think it would be naive to believe that the HGH problem is significantly lower than in other sports since there is no test. There have a few suspensions for steriods use in the NFL. Julius Peppers is the last big name that I remember getting suspended. Recently there was a kid at USC who failed a steriod test. I don't remember the whole story as far as that one is concerned. Of course there was the doctor who was linked to the Panthers.

I thought Peppers tested for Ephedra, not steroids.

QuikSand I think a lot of this traces back to testing. The public is naive about drug testing, basically believing that if there's a testing program and only an occasional bozo gets caught, then things must be okay. They look right past the possibility that the testing is either non-random, allowing a savvy user to get around it by timing well, or simply not on the same level of spohistication as the drug users/makers, who manage to foil the tests even while using by having better technology, timing, masking agents, or whatever.

As for Quik's statement, there's a reason the NFL made ESPN take off the PLAYMAKERS show. There was an episode entirely devoted to the ways guys get past the "random" drug tests.

miami_fan
08-13-2006, 05:29 PM
Sure the public can be fooled by the perception from PR but what about those that know better, like you Troy and those that are connected to the game at the various levels?

Yes, I am fishing for something but haven't got there yet.

Are you fishing for the fact that people are selective in their outrage about performance enhancing drug use and the effect that drug use has on the sanctity of any given sport?

TroyF
08-13-2006, 05:33 PM
Sure the public can be fooled by the perception from PR but what about those that know better, like you Troy and those that are connected to the game at the various levels?

Yes, I am fishing for something but haven't got there yet.

Lets be blunt. . .

The system works for fans too.

Sure, you have a % of fans who will cheer anyone, no matter what they put into their system. They'd still cheer for their players if they were cyborgs.

But for people like me? People who want to cheer on clean athletes? The system works perfectly. I don't know who is and who isn't cheating. I don't buy for a second that everyone in the league is. Lets say the number is 50/50? How do I know which is which?

I don't, so I don't pretend to try. It makes it great for me. I get my NFL football and I don't have to deal with the fact that any number of my favorite players may be doing it drugged.

A whole bunch of people like me probably play a part in the kid at the local HS juicing up.

Now, I don't want to think about this too hard, because I don't want my favorite sport ruined. So I'm gonna go back to screaming for a college football playoff and see if I can find anymore threads about little league coaches. :)

Buccaneer
08-14-2006, 09:03 PM
I guess one cannot say the emperor has no clothes which I guess is a sad reflection on fans and society. How good or bad the PR is should be irrelevant - PR is meant to deceive, cover-up and lie to present a good image and perception. We aim for truth in govt, in business, in the press and in of ourselves but we (including me) turn a blind eye to this? How about what those that are connected to the game see in the weight room, or at the food table or in the training room? We don't want our kids or loved ones doing drugs but we think it's ok for the players to do it because it thrills us? Baseball, cycling and track&field get rocked by such scandals, not because of bad PR, but because of integrity for the sport. Why hold those sports to higher standards? Because they are more individualistic? A team is still made up of individuals and we still praise the acheivement of the one. Insomuch we cry foul for the likes of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero, etc. and want to take away their records, we cannot do the same for football?

JonInMiddleGA
08-14-2006, 09:16 PM
We aim for truth in govt, in business, in the press and in of ourselves but we (including me) turn a blind eye to this?

Just for the sake of giving you something else to ponder ... what if the first half of your statement above isn't accurate? Then there's really no paradox created by the latter part.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean "you" don't have those theoretical goals, I'm talking about society overall. I don't believe for a minute that the average person is looking for "truth" in government, business, the media, or even in themselves ... the norm today is "I want mine, and I want whatever advantage I can get from {insert entity name here}".

Truth, fairness, what have you, they are afterthoughts at best for the average person today. And with that in mind, the overlooking of stuff like chemical usage in their favorite sport actually becomes predictable.

Or not ... just some food for thought.

Buccaneer
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Becomes predictable.. and probably expected, maybe even desired. Good food for thought.

TroyF
08-14-2006, 09:23 PM
I guess one cannot say the emperor has no clothes which I guess is a sad reflection on fans and society. How good or bad the PR is should be irrelevant - PR is meant to deceive, cover-up and lie to present a good image and perception. We aim for truth in govt, in business, in the press and in of ourselves but we (including me) turn a blind eye to this? How about what those that are connected to the game see in the weight room, or at the food table or in the training room? We don't want our kids or loved ones doing drugs but we think it's ok for the players to do it because it thrills us? Baseball, cycling and track&field get rocked by such scandals, not because of bad PR, but because of integrity for the sport. Why hold those sports to higher standards? Because they are more individualistic? A team is still made up of individuals and we still praise the acheivement of the one. Insomuch we cry foul for the likes of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero, etc. and want to take away their records, we cannot do the same for football?

As someone else said, the statistics are far more difficult to tabulate in football. It's tough to say "Shaun Alexander sucks, it's the steroids that make him great"

Again, we don't have any figures to determine how much of the league is juicing. Maybe I'm naive, but I think it's in the 50% territory. How do I equate that and try to determine who those players are? Quck, off the top of your head tell me which of these guys use roids or HGH: LT, Vick, Peppers, Derrick Brooks, Chad Johnson, Manning, Brady, Bruschi, Law, Rod Smith, Harrison, Bruce, Tiki Barber, Dunn, Gates, any member of the Raiders. . .

Who do we accuse out of that bunch? Baseball has faces that we can point to. Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Giambi. . . what does football have? Todd Saurbron and Bill Romanowski? It's going to take more than that.

Without any evidence and until a test for HGH is possible, we have what we have.

Buccaneer
08-14-2006, 09:28 PM
Baseball has faces that we can point to. Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Giambi. . . what does football have?

Point to for what? Bonds, Sosa and McGwire have never been tested positive (not sure what Bonds admitted to though). So why point to them and not to the many fat heads and roid ragers that make those baseball players you pointed to look like practice squad rejects?

miami_fan
08-28-2006, 04:48 PM
A long story.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/nfl/carolina_panthers/15371194.htm

The federal steroids case involving members of the Carolina Panthers Super Bowl team provides an unprecedented look at what some athletes risk to play professional sports, including one player who may have gambled with his life.

Medical records made public in court documents reveal that players were given multiple refillable steroid prescriptions and that some suffered unwanted, appearance-altering symptoms, prompting more prescriptions.

The medical records also raise questions that undercut the National Football League's claim that its steroids testing program is the best in pro sports.

"Several of them were using disturbing, particularly alarmingly high amounts with high dosages for long durations -- some in combinations," said steroids expert Dr. Gary Wadler, who reviewed the medical records and prepared a report for the U.S. Attorney's Office. "This wasn't just a passing flirtation with these prohibited substances.

"When I see (prescriptions) `renewed five times,' I say, `What are you trying to accomplish?' "

Wadler's report was used by prosecutors in the case against Dr. James Shortt, formerly of West Columbia, S.C., who was sentenced last month to one year and one day in prison after pleading guilty to illegally distributing steroids and human growth hormone (HGH).

The players' names were blacked out of the copy of Wadler's report filed with the court, but the Observer determined their identities by analyzing court records and comparing that information to previous Observer reports and other public records.

Three of the five starting offensive linemen from the Panthers' February 2004 Super Bowl team -- guard Kevin Donnalley, center Jeff Mitchell and tackle Todd Steussie -- were in the report. Another member of that team, practice squad lineman Louis Williams, former Carolina tight end Wesley Walls and former University of South Carolina and NFL defensive lineman Henry Taylor were the other players.

Of the six, only Steussie is still playing in the NFL.

None of the players responded to the Observer's attempts to interview them. Among the revelations from the report and other documents filed as exhibits:

• Donnalley ignored his family history of stroke, putting his life at risk. Mitchell complained of hair loss and shrunken testicles, common side effects of steroid use. Steussie was prescribed anti-estrogen drugs usually reserved for female breast cancer and infertility patients but also used by male steroid users to prevent breast growth.

• Less than a week before the Panthers left Charlotte for the Super Bowl in Houston, Steussie and Williams were given prescriptions for a combined five NFL-banned substances, including two forms of testosterone.

The five included three additional substances Shortt prescribed to Panthers beyond what was previously known. They were injectable testosterone cypionate to Williams, and the banned supplement androstenedione and the hormone DHEA to Steussie. Shortt also prescribed stanozolol to Williams and testosterone cream to Steussie.

• Panthers players were commonly given testosterone prescriptions allowing five refills. Between April 2003 and March 2004, Donnalley and Steussie each were given three such prescriptions for testosterone cream, giving each the opportunity to fill prescriptions 18 times.

• For the first time since the case became public, the report indicates at least one of the players -- Mitchell -- got banned substances from a source other than Shortt. According to the report, Mitchell told Shortt in his first visit with the doctor in May 2003 that he was already using HGH daily.

• All six players in Wadler's report were prescribed or reported using HGH, which has been called the performance-enhancing drug of choice because pro sports such as the NFL and Major League Baseball have not approved a test for it, making it virtually undetectable.

The NFL uses urine tests for steroids and related substances. Blood tests for HGH were used to screen Olympic athletes in Athens in 2004, but NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw recently said he considered the blood tests unreliable and overly intrusive.

• The report shows at least two other NFL teams were affected. Records show Steussie continued getting prescriptions for banned substances from Shortt after joining the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in March 2004, and that Taylor got prescriptions for testosterone cream, testosterone lozenges and HGH from Shortt between April and July 2002 while with the Miami Dolphins.

The court report provided wide-ranging information taken directly from the players' medical records, which were confiscated by investigators in a September 2004 raid of Shortt's West Columbia office and given to Wadler to examine.

Two other former Panthers previously identified by prosecutors in court as recipients of performance-enhancing substances from Shortt, defensive end John Milem and punter Todd Sauerbrun, were not in the report.

Wadler told the Observer he worries about the players' futures.

"There is no question I am concerned some of these drugs, when abused, will impact the long-term health of these athletes and manifest either in chronic illness, premature death or disability," he said. "These are not little minor medications that people are talking about. These are very substantial drugs."

Wadler also reviewed the medical records of eight other Shortt patients for his report, including body builders, a police officer and a teenage boy.

`Snapshot of' the culture

With doping scandals rocking the international sports community, only in the Shortt case have details from athletes' medical records become public in court documents."You probably have here in these cases as good of a snapshot of the real world of what goes on in that culture as anything that has ever been made public," Wadler told the Observer. "You just don't get these kinds of details.

"It really is a very unique opportunity for the court and the public to see what is entailed in this whole practice."

A committee member of the World Anti-Doping Agency, Wadler has testified before congressional committees investigating steroids in sports.

The practice of using steroids illegally for performance enhancement has spawned sports scandals across the globe. Tour de France champion Floyd Landis showed an elevated level of testosterone after winning a stage in the race, putting his cycling title at risk. Record-holding track sprinter Justin Gatlin was suspended eight years for a similar infraction. Five-time Olympic track medalist Marion Jones could face a ban after tests showed she used the blood-boosting drug EPO. A federal grand jury in California is investigating whether baseball slugger Barry Bonds lied under oath about using steroids.

Steroids and related substances such as HGH can improve strength, muscle mass, and enhance endurance and athletic performance. But the drugs also are linked to health problems, including heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, liver disorders, depression, aggression, prostate enlargement and sexual disorders.

Wadler's report indicates the medical records for four of the six NFL players specifically listed performance enhancement. The players' records also showed they complained of symptoms such as joint pain, swelling, fatigue and decreased focus.

An NFL player's career is short and lucrative. As a player ages and suffers injuries, his grip on his career can become tenuous, tempting him to seek alternative ways to stay in the game.

Getting started

Donnalley was the first of the five former Panthers players in the report to visit Shortt -- on July 22, 2002, four days before he reported to the team's first training camp under coach John Fox.

At the time, Donnalley was coming back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee that shortened his 2001 season. He opened the '02 training camp as a second stringer but regained his starting position.

Wadler's report said Donnalley's medical file referred to testosterone lozenges and HGH in the player's first office visit to Shortt, but that it was unclear how the substances were obtained. However, the lozenges were subsequently referenced by Shortt when the doctor wrote that testosterone cream would provide Donnalley better absorption than the lozenges.

The report indicates that Donnalley was prescribed steady dosages of testosterone and HGH during his final NFL season in 2003 leading to the Super Bowl. Shortt wrote testosterone prescriptions good for five refills each on April 9, May 21 and Dec. 16, near the end of the regular season and 1 1/2 months before the Super Bowl.

Prosecutors entered into the court files a copy of a note from Shortt to Donnalley dated April 19, 2003, telling Donnalley how to mix and inject HGH.

Wadler's report cited a May 21, 2003, nurse's note saying more HGH was sent to Donnalley.

Wadler's report said Donnalley listed in his medical history given to Shortt that his father, William, had a stroke at age 40.

According to the death certificate, William Donnalley died at age 40 on Sept. 14, 1974, when Kevin was 6. His death came 14 days after suffering a stroke caused by the sudden rupture of an artery in his brain.

Wadler strongly criticized Shortt for giving steroids to Donnalley because of that family history. Studies have shown that steroids can adversely affect blood flow and cause clotting, which can lead to strokes and heart disease.

Donnalley recently announced his resignation as football coach at Charlotte Christian School, saying he took "inappropriate disciplinary action" against a player on Aug. 5. Sources close to the team said he angrily tackled a player from behind.

Risks realized

Of the three starting Super Bowl offensive linemen who were patients of Shortt, Mitchell had the shortest list of prescriptions. According to Wadler's report, he was prescribed testosterone cream with DHEA, each good for three refills, in June of 2003 and '04.The report does not show Mitchell obtained HGH from Shortt but does indicate Mitchell got HGH from another unidentified source.

Mitchell's medical files show he had regular interaction with Shortt between May 2003 and April 2004 and was treated for such medical issues as food allergies, asthma and pain.

A progress report shows Mitchell called Shortt's office on March 16, 2004, six weeks after the Super Bowl, to report that his hair was falling out.

A note dated April 7, 2004, said Mitchell called Shortt's office again to report testicular shrinkage and ask whether prostate medicine given to him by Shortt could be the cause.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Winston Holliday, the lead prosecutor in the case, referred to Mitchell's symptoms -- without naming the player -- in the March 6, 2006, court hearing, during which Shortt changed his plea to guilty.

"The interesting thing about those things are hair loss, a decrease in the size and function of the testicles, and prostate enlargement or problems, are all symptoms of prescribing or taking too much testosterone," Holliday said in court, quoting experts.

Wadler wrote in his report that the symptoms cited "could be readily attributable to anabolic steroids; however, this subject is not addressed at all by Dr. Shortt."

Pre-Super Bowl prescriptions

More than 35,000 Panthers fans attended a pre-Super Bowl pep rally in uptown Charlotte on Friday, Jan. 23, 2004. It was two days before the team flew to Houston, site of the game, which Carolina lost to New England, 32-29. Wadler's report said Steussie got prescriptions from Shortt the day of the pep rally for testosterone with DHEA; androstenedione; and the anti-estrogens Nolvadex and Clomid.

Wadler wrote that the only reason he could surmise for Steussie getting the anti-estrogens was to "minimize the estrogen effects, e.g., enlarged breast" that result from using testosterone.

Three days earlier, on Jan. 20, Louis Williams got prescriptions from Shortt for two steroids much more potent than the doctor normally provided for Panthers players -- stanozolol and testosterone cypionate, with needles and syringes for injecting them.

Williams, a seventh-round draft pick in 2001, rarely played in three years with the Panthers and sometimes was on the practice squad instead of the active roster. Donnalley, Mitchell and Steussie befriended Williams and made him the brunt of their practical jokes. They talked him into doing unusual things for money, including drinking hollandaise sauce, walking through a rat-infested sewer tunnel, and wearing short sleeves and short pants during a snowy practice in subfreezing temperatures.

Williams is the only one of the six NFL players cited in Wadler's report who was prescribed injectable testosterone instead of a cream, which is much less detectable.

Williams becomes the second Panthers player, joining Sauerbrun, linked to stanozolol in the Shortt case. Stanozolol is a powerful, highly detectable steroid that cost Ben Johnson his world record and gold medal in the 100-meter dash at the 1988 Seoul Olympics.

Steroids expert and recently retired Penn State professor Dr. Charles Yesalis said it's hard to fathom how two Panthers players could have used stanozolol without failing an NFL drug test if the system works as well as the league suggests.

None of the Panthers players involved with Shortt ever tested positive for any banned substance while playing for Carolina, according to team officials. Shortt helped players avoid getting caught by generally prescribing them less detectable drugs than he gave body builders, who weren't tested.

Stanozolol was an exception, however.

"For guys who are supposedly being tested, stanozolol would be the last thing in the world they should be using," said Yesalis. "So now instead of one guy (Sauerbrun), you've got another guy? Why would he and Shortt have so much confidence nothing was going to happen?"

"Either the guy was a raving idiot or they knew there was no way results would have ever been reported.

"If you put testosterone cypionate and stanozolol in the body, you're hopping around like a bunny with a big sign saying, `Test me, test me, catch me, catch me.' "

Holliday told the court in Shortt's sentencing hearing last month that the Panthers players involved considered the NFL's testing system "almost a joke."

The NFL strongly defends its steroids testing program as the best in pro sports and has said the Shortt case merely reveals the limits of science to stay ahead of cheaters. League spokesman Greg Aiello said testing during the week leading to the Super Bowl for the two teams participating is the same as during the regular season -- seven players per team per week tested randomly.

The NFL lowered the threshold for a positive testosterone test since the Shortt case surfaced, reducing the requirement for a positive test to the Olympic standard. Aiello said the NFL has also intensified its efforts to identify synthetic testosterone by making greater use of the carbon-isotope ratio test that caught sprinter Gatlin.

Steussie's relationship with Shortt didn't stop when the Panthers released him after the Super Bowl.

On March 16, 2004, one day after signing a six-year, $20 million contract with Tampa Bay, Steussie received a multifaceted prescription from Shortt -- testosterone cream with five refills, testosterone cream with DHEA, and androstenedione. About two weeks later, Steussie placed a phone order for HGH to be mailed to his new address.

Steussie played two years for the Buccaneers and is currently a backup with the St. Louis Rams, who signed him in April.

The unanswered question

Walls, one of the most beloved players in Panthers history, told the Observer for a Dec. 15, 2005, story that he never went back to Shortt after a Feb. 18, 2003, consultation documented by transcripts of an audiotape read by prosecutors in court."I went down there in February, whatever," said Walls. "It was for a consultation and I never went back."

Wadler's report shows that Walls didn't do business with Shortt after the Feb. 18, 2003, consultation but left the doctor's office that day with prescriptions for testosterone cream and HGH -- both good for five refills.

Wadler wrote "there is absolutely no legitimate medical basis established justifying the use of human growth hormone or testosterone in this patient." Wadler reached similar conclusions with the other five players.

Walls' career was in its final stages when he visited Shortt. The doctor noted Walls didn't feel good, wasn't sleeping well and that "guys recommended he come."

The Panthers released Walls eight days later, and he played the 2003 season with the Green Bay Packers before retiring.

Free, but not clear

None of the former Panthers were criminally charged in the Shortt case, but their connection to the doctor drew pointed commentary in court hearings.

Shortt's attorney, Allen Burnside, said prosecutors, who called some former Panthers to testify against Shortt before a grand jury, tried to make a scapegoat of the doctor. Instead, Burnside said, they should have pursued charges against the players, whom he labeled co-conspirators.

Holliday, the lead prosecutor, wrote in a court motion filed June 12 that the players were role models to thousands of young people and their illegal involvement with Shortt sent a dangerous message.

"These young people are no doubt heavily influenced by the win-at-all-costs mindset that (Shortt) served," wrote Holliday. "He appeared at least three times on nationally televised programs to profess his innocence, effectively telling these impressionable student-athletes that abusing their bodies by using performance-enhancing drugs was an acceptable alternative to playing by the rules."

Chief U.S. District Court Judge Joe Anderson, in closing remarks after sentencing Shortt on July 17, said the Shortt case and other recent steroid scandals in sports violated a sacred trust.

"This Court cannot ignore the controversy surrounding the use of steroids by professional athletes," Anderson said. "Performance-enhancing drugs such as human growth hormone and steroids irreparably tarnish the career achievements of many athletes whose records and accomplishments are called into question.

"In that sense, the victims of the crimes such as the one at issue here include not only the athletes themselves, but also sports fans in living rooms all over the country."

sterlingice
08-28-2006, 06:37 PM
Wow. How is this not being picked up by the major sports outlets?

SI

Buccaneer
08-28-2006, 06:39 PM
Wow. How is this not being picked up by the major sports outlets?

SI

You have to ask?

henry296
08-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Wow. How is this not being picked up by the major sports outlets?

SI

I saw it on ESPN.com today and Peter King mentioned in his Monday Morning QB column on si.com

But I agree that this should be a major story and is getting buried.

Buccaneer
08-28-2006, 06:48 PM
Go look at cbs.sportsline.com right now. Not a single mention on the front page but what is featured prominently is the NFC South, praising the hyper-aggressiveness that a player, a team, a division and a league brings to you. You can't stop the golden goose no matter how dirty it is.

sterlingice
08-28-2006, 07:21 PM
Man, it's just amazing how much of a teflon league the NFL is when a fraction of this story isn't being broken in MLB and people are ready to paint Jason Grimsley as a crackhead (he is, but for other reasons).

SI

saldana
08-28-2006, 07:50 PM
espn apparently had this story on cold pizza...not sure when, but you can watch the video segment on their website if you have their little video thing installed...i went to the NFL homepage on their spectacular website, and its one of the titles in the video queue.

nilodor
08-28-2006, 08:59 PM
On PTI they were like where is the public outrage and I'm thinking it's never the public who outrages it's the media who makes the stories, where is their outrage, they should be going after this like they did barry bonds. Not to mention they should still be laying into giambi and sheffield, luis castillo.