Interesting thing happened at our FFL auction draft

[AnalBumCover]

Here's the setup: With a $100 cap, sign at least 14 players/defenses. The minimum bid for a player is $2.

One team in our league signed Larry Johnson for $39 and Shawn Alexander at $37 leaving just enough money to fill the remaining 12 roster spots at $2 each. :eek:

On the opposite end of the spectrum, another team signed 22 players, with the highest paid player being Kevin Jones at $12, the only player at double-digits.

[stevew]

If not for the Madden Cover Jinx, I still would think that team has a good chance of winning.

[rkmsuf]

Here's the setup: With a $100 cap, sign at least 14 players/defenses. The minimum bid for a player is $2.

One team in our league signed Larry Johnson for $39 and Shawn Alexander at $37 leaving just enough money to fill the remaining 12 roster spots at $2 each. :eek:

On the opposite end of the spectrum, another team signed 22 players, with the highest paid player being Kevin Jones at $12, the only player at double-digits.

It would be interesting to see the list of $2 players from the first team.

[gottimd]

It would be interesting to see the list of $2 players from the first team.

No it wouldn't.

[rkmsuf]

No it wouldn't.


Watch me display my interest if the list ever comes up.

[gottimd]

Watch me display my interest if the list ever comes up.

Display all you want, how are we going to be able to see it?

[rkmsuf]

Display all you want, how are we going to be able to see it?

You'll feel it via all these tubes.

[gottimd]

You'll feel it via all these tubes.

Did you just grab my ass?

[AnalBumCover]

No it wouldn't.
Here it is anyways. :)

QB Steve McNair BAL 2
QB Chad Pennington NYJ 2
QB David Carr HOU 2
RB Larry Johnson KC 37
RB Shaun Alexander SEA 39
RB TJ Duckett ATL 2
WR Brandon Lloyd WAS 2
WR Cedric Wilson PIT 2
WR Amani Toomer NYG 2
WR Reggie Williams JAC 2
TE Jason Witten DAL 2
K John Kasay CAR 2
D Wash Redskins WAS 2
D Cin Bengals CIN 2

[rkmsuf]

Here it is anyways. :)

QB Steve McNair BAL 2
QB Chad Pennington NYJ 2
QB David Carr HOU 2
RB Larry Johnson KC 37
RB Shaun Alexander SEA 39
RB TJ Duckett ATL 2
WR Brandon Lloyd WAS 2
WR Cedric Wilson PIT 2
WR Amani Toomer NYG 2
WR Reggie Williams JAC 2
TE Jason Witten DAL 2
K John Kasay CAR 2
D Wash Redskins WAS 2
D Cin Bengals CIN 2


Not knowing the scoring I like the Lloyd aquisition for $2. If McNair can be productive it may work out.

And I am interested.

[molson]

I like that strategy. He can play matchups with QBs, and there's always surprising WRs he can pick up later. Johnson/Alexander will outscore other teams some weeks.

[SuperGrover]

That team is terrible. They have legitimate starters at TE, Defense, and of course RB. They don't have a single WR that will finish in the top 25.

LJ and SA will have to outscore the opposition RBs by at least 20 ppg for these guys to win. I don't see that happening on a consistent basis.

[stevew]

Witten for 2 bucks is a pretty good deal.

[gottimd]

Here it is anyways. :)

QB Steve McNair BAL 2
QB Chad Pennington NYJ 2
QB David Carr HOU 2
RB Larry Johnson KC 37
RB Shaun Alexander SEA 39
RB TJ Duckett ATL 2
WR Brandon Lloyd WAS 2
WR Cedric Wilson PIT 2
WR Amani Toomer NYG 2
WR Reggie Williams JAC 2
TE Jason Witten DAL 2
K John Kasay CAR 2
D Wash Redskins WAS 2
D Cin Bengals CIN 2


Lloyd for $2? That guy got some good bargains for $2. I was expecting to see all third stringers. How many teams are in the league?

Whats going with all the tubes in my computer?

[SuperGrover]

He can play matchups with QBs

With those QBs, he better hope they're playing the Saints every week.

Is $2 the minimum? Otherwise, he should've ponied up $4-5 and got a better QB and one WR. If he had a top 15 performer at either spot I would like his team. However, his QBs and WRs are both god awful.

I do like Lloyd though.

[stevew]

When did the Salsa serving midgets show up?

[gottimd]

That team is terrible. They have legitimate starters at TE, Defense, and of course RB. They don't have a single WR that will finish in the top 25.

LJ and SA will have to outscore the opposition RBs by at least 20 ppg for these guys to win. I don't see that happening on a consistent basis.

Well he actually has himself in a good position I think, depending on the amount of teams. That aren't that many quality high scoring top RB's, and he landed 2 of them. One of those could be quite a good bargaining chip for a team who is loaded with WR's and no RB.

[gottimd]

Otherwise, he should've ponied up $4-5 and got a better QB and one WR.

He couldn't. Salary Cap is $100 and he already spent 75% of his cap on the 2 RB's and he had so many roster spots to fill.

I think that guy should cut Shaun Alexander and Larry Johnson and resign them for $2 before they hit the free agency pool.

[rkmsuf]

That team is terrible. They have legitimate starters at TE, Defense, and of course RB. They don't have a single WR that will finish in the top 25.

LJ and SA will have to outscore the opposition RBs by at least 20 ppg for these guys to win. I don't see that happening on a consistent basis.

depends on league size and scoring system

[randal7]

When did the Salsa serving midgets show up?

Thank you. This is the third time one of your posts made me laugh out loud today. This, the crop dusting, and the lost posts threads have made me glad to be alive.

[TroyF]

Horrible strategy.

Alexander isn't going to go down to any "Madden" jinx. He's going to be far worse because of his workload last year. Counting the playoffs, he had 430 carries last year.

Very few players don't see an immediate decline after that type of workload. A high percentage of them get hurt early in the season and are near useless. There are a few exceptions, but I wouldn't bet my entire fantasy season on those exceptions.

His QB's are terrible, his WR are beyond terrible. As someone else said, he has a defense, RB's and a TE who are solid. When you factor in the chance that Alexander's production going down?

I don't like the strategy at all.

[rkmsuf]

Horrible strategy.

Alexander isn't going to go down to any "Madden" jinx. He's going to be far worse because of his workload last year. Counting the playoffs, he had 430 carries last year.

Very few players don't see an immediate decline after that type of workload. A high percentage of them get hurt early in the season and are near useless. There are a few exceptions, but I wouldn't bet my entire fantasy season on those exceptions.

His QB's are terrible, his WR are beyond terrible. As someone else said, he has a defense, RB's and a TE who are solid. When you factor in the chance that Alexander's production going down?

I don't like the strategy at all.

Alexander is interesting. On one hand he is south of 30, on a really good team that should move the ball very well.

On the other is the big contract(I fear he's a bit of a fat cat) and the workload. He has to decline from last year but the floor might still be really good.

Overall I'd take Tomlinson over Alexander I think.

[PackerFanatic]

Tomlinson > Alexander - I agree too :)

[gottimd]

Thats tough to call. This will completely depend on Rivers. If he shits the bed, the Defenses will know to 100% key on LT. In either case though, both are damn good running backs to have, better than having Poop McDiarrhea as your starting RB.

[Lathum]

I'm surprised about all the praise for Lloyd. Isn't he on the redskins now behind Moss and Randal El?

[QuikSand]

Poop McDiarrhea as your starting RB.

He went for $7.

[rkmsuf]

I'm surprised about all the praise for Lloyd. Isn't he on the redskins now behind Moss and Randal El?

no, he's #2 and looked really good the other day.

[Fighter of Foo]

Why I read this board:


Poop McDiarrhea as your starting RB.

no, he's #2 and looked really good the other day.

[cthomer5000]

Those QBs are seriously awful.

[sachmo71]

On the opposite end of the spectrum, another team signed 22 players, with the highest paid player being Kevin Jones at $12, the only player at double-digits.

If this guy wins your league this year, I will pay you $2, or some facsimile thereof.

[QuikSand]

I like this team far more than I would like the nobody-over-$12 team, I'm rather certain.

Before the season starts, we all think we know who's a bum and who's going to be great. So we look at this team and see a couple great RBs and not much else. But he got solid value with almost all of his remaining picks, and the big weakness on this team (widely pointed out) is at WR -- which is always the easiest spot to fish for help on the waiver wire. And the simple fact of the matter is -- we know less than we think, especially when it comes to the overall effectiveness of offenses and the long-term patterns they will adopt for the whole season -- stuff that makes specific WRs or defenses effective for fantasy football. That's why getting top grade running backs who ought to really excel is a sound strategy, year in and year out. At every other position,... every single one... you can forage around and do okay.

Without seeing the rest of the league, it's tough to say for sure - but I give this team a shot to win this year - at least to be respectable, and possibly pretty good. With a few reasonably foreseeable breaks... McNair turning out to be a better-then-expected performer this year, WItten having a very solid year as a top-3 TE, maybe a breakout from a WR like Wilson or even a guy not on the roster yet... this could be a title contender.

[TroyF]

Lets revisit this at the end fo the year.

I say he finishes in the bottom five of the league.

[AnalBumCover]

Here's our official league website.

http://www.maxiffl.com/

It's being reconstructed, so there are a few broken links. But this league is in its 11th year already.

BTW, my team is the Granite City Gargoyles.

Oh yeah, and the scoring system is pretty complex, but generally it goes like this:

6pts per TD (pass/rush/rec)
-3pts per INT

1 pt per 75 passing yds (+2 for 300yd game)
1 pt per 25 rushing yds (+2 for 100yd game)
1 pt per 25 receiving yds (+2 for 100yd game)

[kcchief19]

Before the season starts, we all think we know who's a bum and who's going to be great. So we look at this team and see a couple great RBs and not much else. But he got solid value with almost all of his remaining picks, and the big weakness on this team (widely pointed out) is at WR -- which is always the easiest spot to fish for help on the waiver wire. And the simple fact of the matter is -- we know less than we think, especially when it comes to the overall effectiveness of offenses and the long-term patterns they will adopt for the whole season -- stuff that makes specific WRs or defenses effective for fantasy football. That's why getting top grade running backs who ought to really excel is a sound strategy, year in and year out. At every other position,... every single one... you can forage around and do okay.
Precisely my thought. Unless one of the running backs goes south, this can be a good team. The QBs are serviceable -- the one plus is that barring injury each of those quarterbacks will likely be the starter the entire season with no quarterback controversey. The Kyle Boller era is done and the cupboards behind Pennington and Carr are empty. Witten is a steal at that price, he'll be one of the top tight ends. Kickers and defenses make little impact, so you can gamble there. Wide receiver is certainly the most overrated position in fantasy football -- you can cobble together a pretty decent crop of wide receivers post-draft and through waivers/free agency in almost any league.

Most fantasy leagues are won on the ground. If those running backs pan out, I too think this will be a first division team.

[SuperGrover]

He couldn't. Salary Cap is $100 and he already spent 75% of his cap on the 2 RB's and he had so many roster spots to fill.

Is the league minimum $2? If so, then I understand the point.

Re-reading the post...it is, so I retract my statement. Who has an auction league with a minimum bid of $2? that changes EVERYTHING.

[SuperGrover]

6pts per TD (pass/rush/rec)
-3pts per INT

1 pt per 75 passing yds (+2 for 300yd game)
1 pt per 25 rushing yds (+2 for 100yd game)
1 pt per 25 receiving yds (+2 for 100yd game)

Holy crap, it's 6 points per passing TD and -3 for INT? This guy is fucked. His QBs are gonna KILL him. No way Alexander and LJ can make up for the load of jerk offs he has behind center.

[SuperGrover]

That league is interesting. A lot of very questionable picks (Priest Holmes? Rod Gardner? Alex Smith? One guy took Heap, Gonzalez and Winslow? Hasselbeck goes for $7 but E. Manning goes for $9? Kitna goes for more than Roethlisberger, Brees and Brunell? On eguy doesn't take a kicker?). What is your lineup? Looks like TE is optional.

[gottimd]

Lets revisit this at the end fo the year.

I say he finishes in the bottom five of the league.

I say he finishes in the top 12.

[Toddzilla]

Disagreed. The Superstars-and-Scrubs fantasy theory has one huge glaring weakness: injuries. If either of the RBs get injured, this team is toast. A team that is built with all average-priced players can fill the holes much easier (meaning much closer-to-value).

Turn injuries off, and this team has a change to be okay. Otherwise, the chances this team goes down in flames are pretty high.

[AnalBumCover]

That league is interesting. A lot of very questionable picks (Priest Holmes? Rod Gardner? Alex Smith? One guy took Heap, Gonzalez and Winslow? Hasselbeck goes for $7 but E. Manning goes for $9? Kitna goes for more than Roethlisberger, Brees and Brunell? On eguy doesn't take a kicker?). What is your lineup? Looks like TE is optional.
If you've ever participated in an auction-style draft, you'll see stuff like this, where some players go for more than others when, on paper, you'd think the opposite should happen.

The strategy of an auction draft is about timing of when players are brought up for bid (each owner takes their turn on whom to put on the auction block), and owners' needs at the time.

Ours is a little different from the standard auction because we had to incorporate "keeper" rules into it. We came up with an interesting concept for this:

Each team may Franchise one player and assign a Restricted Free Agent tag to up to four others.

The salary of the Franchise Player (FP) is the average of the top 5 players' salaries at their position (based on end of prior year prices) or a 10% increase in salary, whichever is higher.

The Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are all placed in a pool, where on draft day the RFA silent auction occurs. Each player is randomly selected to the auction block, and owners will write their bids on a piece of paper, with last year's salary as the starting minimum bid. The player goes to the highest bid, but the original owner has the right to keep him at that new price. If two more more high bids are the same, the original owner can choose to sign him at the new price, or release him back to the pool to participate in the regular auction draft.

Once all the RFAs are done, we begin the regular auction for the remaining players.

[sachmo71]

The Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are all placed in a pool, where on draft day the RFA silent auction occurs. Each player is randomly selected to the auction block, and owners will write their bids on a piece of paper, with last year's salary as the starting minimum bid. The player goes to the highest bid, but the original owner has the right to keep him at that new price. If two more more high bids are the same, the original owner can choose to sign him at the new price, or release him back to the pool to participate in the regular auction draft.


That's pretty cool. What is the highest a RFA has gone for?

[Wasabiak]

In a scoring system like that, wouldn't Peyton Manning be the consensus #1 player?

[AnalBumCover]

That's pretty cool. What is the highest a RFA has gone for?Larry Johnson's $37 came as a RFA bid. I believe that is the highest I've seen in the RFA draft. Shawn Alexander's $39 in the regular auction is all-time league high.

[cthomer5000]

The Kyle Boller era is done and the cupboards behind Pennington and Carr are empty. I think you're dead wrong on Pennington. I can't speak to the others, but from everything I'm reading here in NYC, the QB race is a dead heat between Chad and Patrick Ramsey. Then late in the year when we're out of the playoff picture, i won't be surprised to see the highly drafted rookie QB get some time. Then throw Brooks Bollinger into the mix, a guy i think can become a solid #2, he may steal some time. I'm a Pennington fan, but there are a lot of ways in which he can lose playing time this year. And those are all issues outside his own tendancy to get hurt.

[cthomer5000]

Here's our official league website.

http://www.maxiffl.com/
where are the Bukkake Boys?

[AnalBumCover]

where are the Bukkake Boys?Here, in my other league.
http://www.lodm.org/ffl/

[Pumpy Tudors]

...the QB race is a dead heat between Chad and Patrick Ramsey.
A one, a two,
A helluva hullabaloo!
A hullabaloo ray ray,
A hullabaloo ray ray!
Hooray! Hooray!
Vars vars tee ay!
Tee ay, tee ay!
Vars vars tee ay!
TULANE!

[watravaler]

Disagreed. The Superstars-and-Scrubs fantasy theory has one huge glaring weakness: injuries. If either of the RBs get injured, this team is toast. A team that is built with all average-priced players can fill the holes much easier (meaning much closer-to-value).

Turn injuries off, and this team has a change to be okay. Otherwise, the chances this team goes down in flames are pretty high.

As long as the guy with LJ and SA picks up M. Bennett and M. Morris, along with the best waiver wire WR after the first two weeks, he is going to run away with this league.

[SuperGrover]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
...the QB race is a dead heat between Chad and Patrick Ramsey.
A one, a two,
A helluva hullabaloo!
A hullabaloo ray ray,
A hullabaloo ray ray!
Hooray! Hooray!
Vars vars tee ay!
Tee ay, tee ay!
Vars vars tee ay!
TULANE!

Not that anyone cares, but Patrick Ramsey and I look nearly alike, although I have better hair. Our facial structures are eerily similar.

As long as the guy with LJ and SA picks up M. Bennett and M. Morris, along with the best waiver wire WR after the first two weeks, he is going to run away with this league.

Well he didn't and it's also clear that with 6 points per passing TD and -3 per INT, his QBs are going to kill him. I can't believe someone like Hasselbeck would go so cheaply in a league with that points structure.