"Conservative" groups ask FBI to investigate PPV porn in Hotel Rooms

[SirFozzie]

I love their reasons, because Joe Average on a trip can order porn on his hotel TV, the area around a hotel is a red-light district, and unsafe.

It seems to keep these folks up at night, knowing someone somewhere can watch people making whoopie without feeling ashamed.

NEW YORK (AP) -- Pornographic movies now seem nearly as pervasive in America's hotel rooms as tiny shampoo bottles, and the lodging industry shows little concern as conservative activists rev up a protest campaign aimed at triggering a federal crackdown.

A coalition of 13 conservative groups -- including the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America -- took out full-page ads in some editions of USA Today earlier this month urging the Justice Department and FBI to investigate whether some of the pay-per-view movies widely available in hotels violate federal and state obscenity laws.

The coalition also is trying to draw attention to CleanHotels.com, a directory of hotels and motels nationwide that pledge to exclude adult offerings from their in-room entertainment service.

Though porn is now cheaply and readily accessible on the Internet, and through many other outlets, the activists chose to target the hotel industry in part because of the well-known brands of corporations that cater to family vacationers as well as business travelers.

"These are places that you take your family -- these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."

Precise statistics on in-room adult entertainment are hard to come by. By some estimates, adult movies are available in roughly 40 percent of the nation's hotels, representing more than 1.5 million rooms. Industry analysts suggest that these adult offerings generate 60 to 80 percent of total in-room entertainment revenue -- several hundred million dollars a year.

The recent newspaper ad mentioned no hotel companies by name because of legal concerns, but it did target the two major suppliers of in-room adult movies -- South Dakota-based LodgeNet and Denver-based OnCommand, a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corp. The ad accused both companies of distributing hardcore pornography to their hotel clients, and it provided a link to a list of X-rated movie titles.

Spokesmen for OnCommand and Liberty Media declined to comment on the ad, and LodgeNet's spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment. However, top spokespeople for two of the biggest hotel chains, Hilton and Marriott, defended the policies that make adult movies widely available at their affiliated hotels.

Both Kathy Shepard of Hilton and Roger Conner of Marriott said the bulk of their hotels are operated by franchise-holders who make their own decisions about in-room programming. They made clear, however, that their companies consider adult movies to be an acceptable option because they can be ignored or blocked out by guests not wishing to view them.

"Really ultraconservative groups try to target the hotels in their zest to eliminate porn," Shepard said. "In their zest to have their personal morals prevail, they're eliminating choice for others."

Conner said none of the programming offered by Marriott is illegal, and he depicted adult movies as a standard part of today's hotel business.

"In-room movies are a revenue stream," he said. "This is a business matter."

The leader of the campaign against in-room porn is Phil Burress, a self-described former porn addict who heads the Cincinnati-based Citizens for Community Values.

Burress and his allies have had some success regionally, pressuring about 15 Ohio and Kentucky hotels to stop offering adult movies. But he says a nationwide pressure campaign would be difficult because nearly all the big hotel chains have similar policies -- porn is available at some but not all of their affiliates.

Though unable to cite specific cases, Burress contended that the availability of in-room porn is making hotels more dangerous.

"As more and more of these (hardcore) titles become available, we're going to have sexual abuse cases coming out of the hotels," he said. "Hotels are just as dangerous as environments around strip joints and porn stores."

Burress said he was "cautiously optimistic" that Justice Department officials -- whom he and other anti-porn leaders confer with periodically -- would seriously consider investigating hotel-based pornography.

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said federal authorities are committed to toughening enforcement of obscenity laws, but he declined to comment on specific targets for investigations.

LodgeNet and OnCommand together provide in-room entertainment to more than 1.8 million hotel room in North America -- with customers that include Sheraton, Hilton, Holiday Inn, Ritz-Carlton, Hyatt, Marriott and Ramada.

The standard in-room packages offered by LodgeNet and OnCommand include adult movies, but they have tried to accommodate hotels preferring a no-porn alternative, according to Shannon Sedgwick Davis, executive director of an association of hotels which don't offer adult movies to guests.

One problem, she said, is that the big hotel chains often have negotiated bulk contracts with the video suppliers that include the adult movies and can be expensive to cancel.

[st.cronin]

The actual legality of porn remains unresolved, am I right?

[Kodos]

As long as they don't feature underage people, why on earth would they be illegal?

[SirFozzie]

The actual legality of porn remains unresolved, am I right?

Actually, it's pretty much settled, except for various things, (underage, beastiality, certain other sexual acts)

[st.cronin]

As long as they don't feature underage people, why on earth would they be illegal?

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court has never said that porn is protected by the 1st amendment - so laws against it could, theoretically, be enforced.

[Crim]

I ask you, what's the point of staying in a hotel without porn?!?

[BrianD]

Does anyone actually pay for PPV porn in hotels? I thought that was what the high speed internet connections were for.

[bulletsponge]

Does anyone actually pay for PPV porn in hotels? I thought that was what the high speed internet connections were for.


from what ive heard, many many people do

[Ksyrup]

Have hotel PPV porn movies changed in the past 10-15 years? Because I have only ordered 1 hotel porn movie, a long time ago, and it was a fucking ripoff. They didn't actually show any porn; just boobs and hairy asses. They took legit pornos and cut out all of the graphic scenes. So basically what you had was a Skinimax flick with even worse acting than normal. If I hadn't been so embarrassed about ordering it in the first place, I would have complained.

But maybe things have changed in the last decade...?

[rkmsuf]

Have hotel PPV porn movies changed in the past 10-15 years? Because I have only ordered 1 hotel porn movie, a long time ago, and it was a fucking ripoff. They didn't actually show any porn; just boobs and hairy asses. They took legit pornos and cut out all of the graphic scenes. So basically what you had was a Skinimax flick with either worse acting than normal. If I hadn't been so embarrassed about ordering it in the first place, I would have complained.

But maybe things have changed in the last decade...?


Clever misdirection.

[Ksyrup]

Clever misdirection.

Apparently I misdirected myself beyond comprehension of your post.

[Galaxy]

Most hotels require you to be 18 to 21 and have a credit card to book a room. What's next, stop selling hotel rooms to people who have sex in the rooms?

[rkmsuf]

Apparently I misdirected myself beyond comprehension of your post.

Like we are to believe you are beyond comprehending the state of porn in hotels today.

[Ksyrup]

Back then, I didn't have a laptop and my own stash.

[Galaxy]

Also,
A major bulk of the travelers are businessmen or businesswoman, without the families or partners. Does having porn in the room help fill the sexual nerves and keep them from maybe, calling an escort?

[Ksyrup]

"These are places that you take your family -- these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."


How ironic, then, that I've become desensitized to the constant bitching about "family values."

[Galaxy]

"These are places that you take your family -- these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."


How ironic, then, that I've become desensitized to the constant bitching about "family values."

It's not like every hotel has it- "Precise statistics on in-room adult entertainment are hard to come by. By some estimates, adult movies are available in roughly 40 percent of the nation's hotels, representing more than 1.5 million rooms. Industry analysts suggest that these adult offerings generate 60 to 80 percent of total in-room entertainment revenue -- several hundred million dollars a year.

If one is that sensitive to that material, check to see if the hotel has it or not. Plus, the article also says they can block the option out as well.

[bulletsponge]

Im a conservative and all, but if you cant get porn and w*nk in a private room by yourself than you might as well move to North Korea

[rkmsuf]

Back then, I didn't have a laptop and my own stash.


Well ok then.

[BrianD]

Industry analysts suggest that these adult offerings generate 60 to 80 percent of total in-room entertainment revenue -- several hundred million dollars a year.


What else counts as in-room entertainment revenue? About the only thing I can think of is the old video games that are sometimes available. Does a hotel offer any other in-room entertainment? Not hard to imagine that porn offers most of the revenue if that is the only entertainment offered.

[SirFozzie]

Pay Per View Movies.
Some hotels have mini bars
Old Video Games
Some count in room dining as in room entertainment

[Ksyrup]

Those $6.00 bottles of water 10% of guests accidentally drink before they realize they have to pay.

[BrianD]

I guess I wouldn't have thought of mini-bars or room-service as entertainment, but maybe they are.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I guess I wouldn't have thought of mini-bars or room-service as entertainment, but maybe they are.

I think, as Fozzie mentioned first in that list, other PPV movies (movies that aren't porn) would be the second largest source of in-room entertainment revenue.

I haven't checked out a hotel's PPV offerings in a while, but there are likely more (or an equal number) of non-porn movies available on PPV as there are porn movies. It's just that no one wants to sit in their hotel room alone and watch "Gladiator" while they could be sitting in their hotel room alone watching "Throbbin' Hood."

[spleen1015]

Just more people wanting someone else to do their parenting for them.

[JediKooter]

With all the other things that are going on in the world today, they pick porn in hotel rooms. They must feel that cancer, homeless people, crime, and a cornucopia of other problems that exist in the world are far less important than porn in hotel rooms.

This is why there should be a tax for being stupid.

[SirFozzie]

These groups are fighting a losing battle, really. They're saying that anything that makes porn mainstream is BADBADBADBAD.

Free hint, it already is.. I thought I saw something that said the Adult Industry is making nearly as much from movies through various distribution channels as the non-blue industry.

Look at the shows on Showtime/HBO etcetera.. it's here. deal with it.

[JPhillips]

Much of the in-room porn can be traced back to large mainstream corporations. One of the big secets with this kind of stuff is that corporations like GM own the companies distributing the porn.

[Celeval]

I haven't checked out a hotel's PPV offerings in a while, but there are likely more (or an equal number) of non-porn movies available on PPV as there are porn movies. It's just that no one wants to sit in their hotel room alone and watch "Gladiator" while they could be sitting in their hotel room alone watching "Throbbin' Hood."

As someone who has been doing enough business traveling lately - there are tons of non-porn movies available at most of the hotels I've been at. The standard now-out-on-DVD types, but there've been a handful of still-in-theatres selections as well. If they were $6 each instead of $13 and $14, it'd probably be a reasonable thing to do from time to time.

I know this post is begging to be parodied. Ha-ha-ha.

[GrantDawg]

These people are going to be really pissed if they win only to realize the room costs triple to make up for lost income.

[sovereignstar]

One of my fondest hotel memories deals with porn. Probably around 10-12 in age and my guess would be that my parents were at a nearby banquet while I was alone in the room watching TV. I don't know how exactly, but I was able to preview the porn movies for a few minutes. It was not some watered-down skin flick. It was hardcore porn and a *lot* more than I had ever seen up to that point. I've been a little afraid of vaginas ever since.

[bulletsponge]

One of my fondest hotel memories deals with porn. Probably around 10-12 in age and my guess would be that my parents were at a nearby banquet while I was alone in the room watching TV. I don't know how exactly, but I was able to preview the porn movies for a few minutes. It was not some watered-down skin flick. It was hardcore porn and a *lot* more than I had ever seen up to that point. I've been a little afraid of vaginas ever since.


poor Sovereighstar, dont you know a vagina a day keeps the doctor away. unless you get a real skanky one, then its a doctor visit a day.

[Bad-example]

They can have my porn when they take it from my cold, dead, sticky fingers.

[Bubba Wheels]

Much of the in-room porn can be traced back to large mainstream corporations. One of the big secets with this kind of stuff is that corporations like GM own the companies distributing the porn.

That is exactly why this country will suffer judgement. Soon. And I believe that God will judge this country thru its economy. CNBC had someone on it today predicting we are on 'the edge of depression." And he is far from the first to predict that.

Treating porn like any other commodity that can be bought and sold thru your local grocery/drug store/hotel room is mocking God and playing with fire.

[miked]

That is exactly why this country will suffer judgement. Soon. And I believe that God will judge this country thru its economy. CNBC had someone on it today predicting we are on 'the edge of depression." And he is far from the first to predict that.

Treating porn like any other commodity that can be bought and sold thru your local grocery/drug store/hotel room is mocking God and playing with fire.

So with all the tools at his/her disposal, God is going to bring recession upon us? What is your psychotic prediction for Vegas, which is moreso a mockery than in-room porn.

[Raiders Army]

The real thing they should be concerned about is how much the hotels charge for said porn. $12 a movie. My God. I can buy the DVD for $20.

[Bubba Wheels]

So with all the tools at his/her disposal, God is going to bring recession upon us? What is your psychotic prediction for Vegas, which is moreso a mockery than in-room porn.

You lack much wisdom, grasshopper. God has no need to bring a 'big bang' upon the U.S. to judge it. God is always much more subtle than non-believers and even many believers would like or want.

I make my prediction based on the fact that many believe the U.S. was created by God (thru circumstances and the founders) to evangelize the world thru its missionary works (those preaching the Gospel of Christ, not those trying to win 'hearts and minds' by political means.)

For most of its existance the U.S. has done just that. But today, with prayer outlawed in our public schools and at government functions, etc., the biggest export the U.S. sends out to the rest of the world is pornography. Very sad, and probably soon to be tragic for this country.

As for Vegas, its never the extremes that causes God to act, its the 'median' or the 'middle.' Porn in particular has infected middle America to the point that 'middle America' may be beyond recovering. Middle America, BTW, has historically been the 'salt of the earth.'

Interestingly, Time magazine this week has a great article on the Christian church growing by leaps and bounds in China. Despite opposition by the government thousands are being saved and coming to Christ daily. That in itself is a good reason to believe even the secular prophets predicting that the next century will belong to China.

[SirFozzie]

Well, who didn't see THIS coming?.. or more accurately, who didn't see HIM coming? :D

[clintl]

When the US was created, Spain was already evangelizing the world. We've got a bunch of old missions here in California to prove it.

[JPhillips]

fact that many believe the U.S. was created by God (thru circumstances and the founders) to evangelize the world thru its missionary works (those preaching the Gospel of Christ, not those trying to win 'hearts and minds' by political means.)

WOW.

[miked]

How amusing, God created the US (through its founders nonetheless, who preached religious freedom) to convert the world. If there's such a concern for middle america and the "middle", how about the meth epidemic that's poisoning middle america? Just outside of Atlanta, where religion runs very high, is considered the meth capital of Atlanta (according to mt DEA buddy)...what's going on there and why is porn a bigger problem?

[Crapshoot]

That is exactly why this country will suffer judgement. Soon. And I believe that God will judge this country thru its economy. CNBC had someone on it today predicting we are on 'the edge of depression." And he is far from the first to predict that.

Treating porn like any other commodity that can be bought and sold thru your local grocery/drug store/hotel room is mocking God and playing with fire.

Oh dear God. I don't believe God judges my watching of porn on the same level as your all around stupidity. Why does it bother you what the fuck other people want to do ? Is it affecting your life ?

[albionmoonlight]

The coalition also is trying to draw attention to CleanHotels.com, a directory of hotels and motels nationwide that pledge to exclude adult offerings from their in-room entertainment service.

This seems, to me, like the right solution. Provide consumers with a choice. Encourage like minded people to vote with their pocketbooks. As soon as your boycott makes it less profitable to show porn than not to show porn, hotels will stop showing porn.

What really pisses me off is that people are asking the Justice Department and the FBI to spend time and money going after this rather than going after (for lack of a better term) actual criminals.

[sabotai]

God is always much more subtle than non-believers and even many believers would like or want.

Exactly. Just like Sodom and Gomorrah. Very subtle.

[panerd]

You lack much wisdom, grasshopper. God has no need to bring a 'big bang' upon the U.S. to judge it. God is always much more subtle than non-believers and even many believers would like or want.

I make my prediction based on the fact that many believe the U.S. was created by God (thru circumstances and the founders) to evangelize the world thru its missionary works (those preaching the Gospel of Christ, not those trying to win 'hearts and minds' by political means.)

For most of its existance the U.S. has done just that. But today, with prayer outlawed in our public schools and at government functions, etc., the biggest export the U.S. sends out to the rest of the world is pornography. Very sad, and probably soon to be tragic for this country.

As for Vegas, its never the extremes that causes God to act, its the 'median' or the 'middle.' Porn in particular has infected middle America to the point that 'middle America' may be beyond recovering. Middle America, BTW, has historically been the 'salt of the earth.'

Interestingly, Time magazine this week has a great article on the Christian church growing by leaps and bounds in China. Despite opposition by the government thousands are being saved and coming to Christ daily. That in itself is a good reason to believe even the secular prophets predicting that the next century will belong to China.

And on the 1,666,954,927,103th day God created the United States. After 4+ billion years he decided it was time to focus on the United States which just so happens to also be the place where Bubba Wheels and his preacher were born. Is it coincidence that God chose to wait so long to create the USA right where Bubba Wheels lives? Or is it some sort of divine plan to have a country with such an insignificant role in the history of the world be that important in judgement day?

Meanwhile over in Iran Bubba Wheels Muhammad is preaching about how God created Iran to spread the word of the Koran. And in Israel Budda Wheels-stein is talking about how Israel was created to spread to word of the Jews. And in Pakistan Bubba Wheels Abu is spreading the word of the Hindus.

They all agree...
Hotel porn, not war or famine or pestilence, is the breaking point that will bring the apocalypse.

[Galaxy]

So wait...God doesn't watch porn????????????????

[Galaxy]

Oh dear God. I don't believe God judges my watching of porn on the same level as your all around stupidity. Why does it bother you what the fuck other people want to do ? Is it affecting your life ?

Because people who feel the need to stick a nose in the business of others just want them to be as miserable as them.

I never understood the people, from all religions, who have no tolerant and respect for the humanity and differences of others, yet preached that God is tolerant and loves all his children.

[Dutch]

I'm starting to get confused by the term 'activist' and 'extremist'.

[21C]

The leader of the campaign against in-room porn is Phil Burress, a self-described former porn addict who heads the Cincinnati-based Citizens for Community Values.
I'm surprised nobody picked up on this little snippet.

[caspanky]

So wait...God doesn't watch porn????????????????

But, if God is the creator of everything, then didn't God create porn?:eek:

[Raiders Army]

So wait...God doesn't watch porn????????????????
Well, if God sees all, then he watches porn.

[Samdari]

Does anyone actually pay for PPV porn in hotels? I thought that was what the high speed internet connections were for.

Last week, the wife and I spent the night at a hotel, away from the kids. Yeah, we paid for some in room entertainment.

[Samdari]

the biggest export the U.S. sends out to the rest of the world is pornography

Where did you get this little tidbit of information? I am guessing that agriculture, autos and mainstream movies all export more than the porn industry makes total, along with dozens of other industries I am not thinking of.

[Butter]

I make my prediction based on the fact that many believe the U.S. was created by God (thru circumstances and the founders) to evangelize the world thru its missionary works (those preaching the Gospel of Christ, not those trying to win 'hearts and minds' by political means.)

Many = 27.

[Noop]

Man's only religion is "Life". The rest of that shit is a massive cult.

[duckman]

Man's only religion is "Life". The rest of that shit is a massive cult.

Congrats, you are just as big of a douchebag as BW. :rolleyes:

[Draft Dodger]

Have hotel PPV porn movies changed in the past 10-15 years? Because I have only ordered 1 hotel porn movie, a long time ago, and it was a fucking ripoff. They didn't actually show any porn; just boobs and hairy asses. They took legit pornos and cut out all of the graphic scenes. So basically what you had was a Skinimax flick with even worse acting than normal. If I hadn't been so embarrassed about ordering it in the first place, I would have complained.

But maybe things have changed in the last decade...?

not too long ago, I stayed in a hotel and somehow we ended up with all the free stuff on the last night there. this was the real stuff...although they inexplicably cut out the money shots. Not sure I really understand the reasoning behind that, as what remained was as graphic as graphic gets.

[Rizon]

This will be no surprise to anyone, but I watch hotel porn often. It's got everything all the way down to the money shots.

And the God thing. If God doesn't want us to watch porn, then he should stop creating women that look like Jenna Jameson, and maybe spend more time creating gnomes.

[Noop]

Congrats, you are just as big of a douchebag as BW. :rolleyes:

Congrats. You are a great person with outstanding values and morals.

[Tigercat]

And on the 1,666,954,927,103th day God created the United States. After 4+ billion years he decided it was time to focus on the United States which just so happens to also be the place where Bubba Wheels and his preacher were born. Is it coincidence that God chose to wait so long to create the USA right where Bubba Wheels lives? Or is it some sort of divine plan to have a country with such an insignificant role in the history of the world be that important in judgement day?

Meanwhile over in Iran Bubba Wheels Muhammad is preaching about how God created Iran to spread the word of the Koran. And in Israel Budda Wheels-stein is talking about how Israel was created to spread to word of the Jews. And in Pakistan Bubba Wheels Abu is spreading the word of the Hindus.

They all agree...
Hotel porn, not war or famine or pestilence, is the breaking point that will bring the apocalypse.

Bravo.

Its a shame when people like Bubba Wheels don't even pay attention to the words his own God and prophets have given through scriptures about those that cast judgement on others through their own delusions of self importance. If God is subtle, someone like Bubba would sure be the last one to understand his motives.


Regardless, to the point at hand(ha), I think more money is made off of prostituion going on in hotels than porn.

[duckman]

Congrats. You are a great person with outstanding values and morals.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I put you in the same boat as Bubba.

And I'm going to let you in on a little secret: While I do believe that owning or viewing pornography is a sin, I don't believe that it should banned. So I may have "outstanding values and morals", I don't think I am in a position to tell people what they can and cannot be subject to. What's the point of free will if you aren't subjected to the temptations of the world?

[Honolulu_Blue]

This will be no surprise to anyone, but I watch hotel porn often. It's got everything all the way down to the money shots.

And the God thing. If God doesn't want us to watch porn, then he should stop creating women that look like Jenna Jameson, and maybe spend more time creating gnomes.

I think this must be a hotel chain decision, b/c the limited times I've seen PPV porn at a hotel they were edited exactly how DD described them.

[Noop]

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I put you in the same boat as Bubba.

And I'm going to let you in on a little secret: While I do believe that owning or viewing pornography is a sin, I don't believe that it should banned. So I may have "outstanding values and morals", I don't think I am in a position to tell people what they can and cannot be subject to. What's the point of free will if you aren't subjected to the temptations of the world?

Hello how are you. I refuse to sit here and debate with you. All your doing is throwing insults in my direction because of a statement I made. Isn't that amazing? A few words can arouse such disdain toward my opinion. I am sorry you feel that way and I take offense to being compare to BW. My belief is "Life" is our teacher and that we need to just live it. Some rules are needed but others such as limiting what adults want to watch is senseless. Have a nice day.

[Crapshoot]

Congrats, you are just as big of a douchebag as BW. :rolleyes:

Now now, no one's as big of a douche as BW. :D It takes some quality idiocy to get up to those levels.

[rkmsuf]

lay off the noopster

[Icy]

Yeah porn is the worst thing in this world and all the goberments should expend all their resources to prosecute it. Wars, violence, lack of food, crap jobs, health etc... bah, those are just minor things and nobody cares about them but porn... oh man, it can burn your brain just from watching it 1 minute.

[JediKooter]

Come on, everyone knows that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created porn. I just talked to him the other day and he told me that god is a MILF/soccer mom kinda guy.

[Bubba Wheels]

How amusing, God created the US (through its founders nonetheless, who preached religious freedom) to convert the world. If there's such a concern for middle america and the "middle", how about the meth epidemic that's poisoning middle america? Just outside of Atlanta, where religion runs very high, is considered the meth capital of Atlanta (according to mt DEA buddy)...what's going on there and why is porn a bigger problem?

Well, this is a very good point and one that I think just illustrates more of what I said. I would also include illegal drug use as cause for the coming judgement of America, especially because of its growing hold and influence on 'middle America.' Sex, drugs and rock and roll, right? Maybe include all those Godly (not) lyrics in the modern-day rock called rap?

Interesting also is that the Bible talks about God's judgement because people would not 'turn away from their sourcerys." Many take that last word to mean the occult, but one Bible scholar says that the Hebrew origin of that word actually means 'drug use.'

Also, understand God's use of judgement. God uses His devine judgement on nations as well as individuals, and He will do that to seperate the just from the unjust. So even though most of America will take the hit and many will lose, those faithful to God will actually prosper. Like Joseph in Egypt.

One last point, God created the world for HIS purposes, not ours. If we fail to be obediant and to seek Him out of our own free will, we will pay the price for that. I believe that God is actually much more concerned with those needing to hear about Him in the Third World countries than in overfed, over-everything America. And when America becomes the obstacle to His will (for the reasons covered earlier) rather than the implement of it expect judgement.

[Kodos]

God has a bit of an ego problem.

[digamma]

Judging from the play-off mark-up for Tigers' season ticket holders, it looks like God has begun to take out his wrath on Detroit already. Shame, really.

[Bad-example]

Well, this is a very good point and one that I think just illustrates more of what I said. I would also include illegal drug use as cause for the coming judgement of America, especially because of its growing hold and influence on 'middle America.' Sex, drugs and rock and roll, right? Maybe include all those Godly (not) lyrics in the modern-day rock called rap?

Interesting also is that the Bible talks about God's judgement because people would not 'turn away from their sourcerys." Many take that last word to mean the occult, but one Bible scholar says that the Hebrew origin of that word actually means 'drug use.'

Also, understand God's use of judgement. God uses His devine judgement on nations as well as individuals, and He will do that to seperate the just from the unjust. So even though most of America will take the hit and many will lose, those faithful to God will actually prosper. Like Joseph in Egypt.

One last point, God created the world for HIS purposes, not ours. If we fail to be obediant and to seek Him out of our own free will, we will pay the price for that. I believe that God is actually much more concerned with those needing to hear about Him in the Third World countries than in overfed, over-everything America. And when America becomes the obstacle to His will (for the reasons covered earlier) rather than the implement of it expect judgement.


If god really existed, I bet you would be high on his shit list.

[flere-imsaho]

Ah, I see what they did there: (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=151336)

ChristiaNet Poll Finds That Evangelicals Are Addicted to Porn
HOUSTON, TX -- (MARKET WIRE) -- August 07, 2006 -- If there could be one place protected from the cancerous infection of pornography and sexual misconducts, one would assume that the Christian church would be that sanctuary. But, recent research is revealing that no one is immunized against the vice-grip clutches of sexual addictive behaviors. The people who struggle with the repeated pursuit of sexual gratification include church members, deacons, staff, and yes, even clergy. And, to the surprise of many, a large number of women in the church have become victim to this widespread problem. Recently, the world's most visited Christian website, ChristiaNet.com, conducted a survey asking site visitors eleven questions about their personal sexual conduct. (http://www.christianet.com)

Amazingly, there were one thousand responses to the poll conducted by ChristiaNet.com. ChristiaNet.com partnered with Second Glance Ministries in evaluating the poll responses and it seems the Christian community is struggling with many of the same "temptations" that the secular society is faced with.

"The poll results indicate that 50% of all Christian men and 20% of all Christian women are addicted to pornography," said Clay Jones, founder and President of Second Glance Ministries whose ministry objectives include providing people with information which will enable them to fully understand the impact of today's societal issues. 60% of the women who answered the survey admitted to having significant struggles with lust; 40% admitted to being involved in sexual sin in the past year; and 20% of the church-going female participants struggle with looking at pornography on an ongoing basis.

"There have been dynamic paradigm shifts in the behavior of Christians over the last four years," explained Jones. "Technology [the Internet] has allowed pornography to flood the market place beyond a controllable level." Jones' ministry also includes providing Christian intervention programs for churches and for individuals. All of Second Glance Ministries' services are free and recipients may remain anonymous.

"We directed over 100,000 inquiries to Second Glance Ministries in one year," stated ChristiaNet.com's President, Bill Cooper. "We are seeing an escalation to the problem in both men and women who regularly attend church." ChristiaNet.com is committed to addressing the devastating consequences that sexual addictions can have on a family and society by providing a safe environment for blogging discussions and referrals.

[duckman]

Now now, no one's as big of a douche as BW. :D It takes some quality idiocy to get up to those levels.

You know what? You're right. Noop, I take back the douchebag comment. You're just an asshole. :D

[Bubba Wheels]

Yes, very sad but true. Please note the sentence "Technology (the internet) has allowed pornography to flood the market place beyond a controllable level." Christians are having to struggle with this same as everyone else.

Well, correction, Christians are struggling with it, others are happily using, selling and even creating it.

[Drake]

Ah, I see what they did there: (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=151336)

That may be the most poorly written article in the history of journalism. I hope no one got paid for that.

[Drake]

dola...

I'm actively anticipating the day when Christians go on a jihad against fat people (that is to say, food addicts and gluttons) and try to have Hostess products banned.

[Drake]

Wait, or will that be the health zealots who have defeated public smoking and want to move on to obesity (because fat people raise fat kids -- it's really another form of child abuse).

Oh well, someone will take the evil Twinkie people down.

[Bubba Wheels]

I leave you with this:

But now, a righteousness from God, apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement through faith in His blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-26

[Draft Dodger]

you don't mean leave in the literal sense, by any chance?

[Tigercat]

I leave you with this:

But now, a righteousness from God, apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement through faith in His blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-26

Amazing that you can quote verses like that and still not outwardly(at least on here) show any humbleness or humility. But I bet in your moral superiority you would blindly throw stones at a guy who hangs out with prostitutes. Reasons unknown to you be damned.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

60% of the women who answered the survey admitted to having significant struggles with lust; 40% admitted to being involved in sexual sin in the past year; and 20% of the church-going female participants struggle with looking at pornography on an ongoing basis.

I need to start going to church. :)

[cuervo72]

dola...

I'm actively anticipating the day when Christians go on a jihad against fat people (that is to say, food addicts and gluttons) and try to have Hostess products banned.

What about Drake's Cakes?

[JediKooter]

If god created man in his image, then is god gay 10% of the time?

[Bubba Wheels]

Amazing that you can quote verses like that and still not outwardly(at least on here) show any humbleness or humility. But I bet in your moral superiority you would blindly throw stones at a guy who hangs out with prostitutes. Reasons unknown to you be damned.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes and sinners, but He did so to tell them there was a better way by following Him that led to eternal life. Jesus didn't hang out with them to condone the lifestyle. Sorry if that appears to be 'morally superior.'

Porn is a billion dollar industry. You really think that God will continue to turn a blind eye to that while corporations like GM are making money off of it?

The U.S. Supreme Court is responsible for allowing porn to flourish under the incredulous ruling of it being 'free speech' (but donating towards political free speech right before an election is illegal now?) and that makes the government of the U.S. culpable for the rise of the porn industry and its effects on people's lives.

The money from the porn 'special interest groups' further corrupt the political system far beyond what we can even begin to comprehend. One recent law wanted all internet porn to be under an .xxx address. At least this would create some seperation and easy identification for internet users. But that was quickly shot down by those same 'special interests.' Might hurt their dollar flow, don't you know.

[Draft Dodger]

you are a humungous idiot.

[flere-imsaho]

That may be the most poorly written article in the history of journalism. I hope no one got paid for that.

If you look closely you'll see it's a press release from Christian.net (or whatever) that just went out over the wires. Not an actual story by an independent journalist.

[flere-imsaho]

you don't mean leave in the literal sense, by any chance?

Apparently not.

[Draft Dodger]

Apparently not.

I guess the unintentional comedy train will keep on rolling then!

[flere-imsaho]

I guess the unintentional comedy train will keep on rolling then!

http://webpages.charter.net/micah/jesus.jpg

[digamma]

Porn is a billion dollar industry. You really think that God will continue to turn a blind eye to that while corporations like GM are making money off of it?


Why does it matter if corporations "like GM" are making money off of porn?

[Crapshoot]

Why does it matter if corporations "like GM" are making money off of porn?

I think it means that God's a Chrysler man himself.... :D

[flere-imsaho]

Why does it matter if corporations "like GM" are making money off of porn?

It forces Bubba to contemplate buying a Toyota, which is a fate worse than death.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The money from the porn 'special interest groups' further corrupt the political system far beyond what we can even begin to comprehend. One recent law wanted all internet porn to be under an .xxx address. At least this would create some seperation and easy identification for internet users. But that was quickly shot down by those same 'special interests.' Might hurt their dollar flow, don't you know.

I had no idea the Bush Administration was in the pocket of the 'porn special interest groups.'

The plan for a virtual red light district through the creation of a .xxx net domain name has hit delays after concern from government officials.

An official from President George Bush's administration has asked for the brakes be put on the planned domain name until its impact is studied more.

[JediKooter]

I had no idea the Bush Administration was in the pocket of the 'porn special interest groups.'

I'm not sure if the Bush Administration is in the pocket of the porn special interest groups, but, I'm sure there is some bush in the porn special interest groups.

[Bubba Wheels]

I had no idea the Bush Administration was in the pocket of the 'porn special interest groups.'

Right, special interest groups or lobbysits never have any influence what-so-ever over regulating agencies that work under the Executive Branch.

For continued education please google 'revolving door' and its aspects regarding the close working relationships between lobbyists/special interest groups and all members of government involved in contracts/regulation.

You know, like those in the FAA that 'regulate' the airline industries for the consumer's benefit.

[sabotai]

Apparently, the Christian Coalition of America is part of this porn special interest groups thing too.

http://www.cc.org/content.cfm?id=245


From link:

The online pornography industry earns a whopping $12 billion in revenues and if a new "XXX" domain is allowed for them, these earnings are expected to increase exponentially. The pornographers will simply keep their existing ".com" sites and establish new sites in the new "XXX" domain name, reducing the effectiveness of any software filters set up to simply block all "XXX" names. Please call President George W. Bush's representative at the Commerce Department, Assistant Secretary Michael D. Gallagher, at 202-482-2112, and urge him to VETO any Vote by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers in favor of setting up the "XXX" pornographic domain site.

[digamma]

The story of the powerful porn lobby:

A BadKat Comes to Capitol Hill (http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Features/CapitalLiving/040406.html)

[Bubba Wheels]

What...once the .xxx sites are allowed then all porn under existing .com sites can't be outlawed and regulated? Don't get that one, seeings how the government can regulate everything and anything else.

[sabotai]

What...once the .xxx sites are allowed then all porn under existing .com sites can't be outlawed and regulated?

No.

Don't get that one, seeings how the government can regulate everything and anything else.

What government controls the internet?

[Bubba Wheels]

No.



What government controls the internet?

Well, what about on-line gambling? That doesn't get regulated?

I know that the U.N. wants the internet to fall under its jurisdiction. That was news sometime ago.

[sabotai]

The U.N. regulating the internet. Yeah, that's exactly what we need...

And no, on-line gambling is not regulated. It is illegal to run an on-line gambling business in the US. But as far as doing anything with on-line gambling and the actual internet, the US government does not (and can not) do any kind of regulation of it.

And example would be alcohol. The US can regulate the sale of alcohol in the US. But, it can not stop a company from another country freely selling alcohol from a .com address. It might be illegal for a US citizen to buy it, it would be illegal for a US company to sell it like that, but as far the internet and the .com address goes, it's all fair game.

[JPhillips]

Bubba: Until you buy Maximum Football I refuse to take anything you say seriously.

[Galaxy]

Why does it matter if corporations "like GM" are making money off of porn?

Which is the biggest irony of the right-wing Christians. In general, they are free-market, financially conservative in the US. They want to abolish abortion and eliminate the "right to die", yet want to cut off the financial ability to support such people in terms of health care. Yet complain when companies try to operate in a free-market and feel we need to regulate the industries. Jesus said that the Kingdom of God would come through those who were outcasts (sinners, poor), and the rich would not be taken into the Kingdom of God unless they give all worthy possessions (including the wealth).

When I think of religion and the state it is right now, I think about the song by Genesis, "Jesus He Knows Me".

[Raiders Army]

w00t pron.

[sabotai]

w00t pron.

You spelled pr0n wrong.

[Bubba Wheels]

Bubba: Until you buy Maximum Football I refuse to take anything you say seriously.

Waiting for the upgrade! :D

[Raiders Army]

You spelled pr0n wrong.
my bad dawg