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RendeR

08-28-2006, 08:37 PM

This is going to be one unfuckingbelievable season!!!

Yeah, green Bay sucks, but even against bad teams you shouldn't see 34 points in a half.

Carson looks fantastic and very comfortable, the Iceman commands the Bengals Offense.

Love this team, can't wait to watch them win Super Bowl 41!!

cougarfreak

08-28-2006, 08:41 PM

Yeah, I'd say so. GB has some pretty decent db's though, and Cincinnati and Palmer made them look like swiss cheese. Good news.

saldana

08-28-2006, 08:43 PM

even though i am a niners fan, i love carson palmer, so this is outstanding news, and makes me happy to have not cancelled sunday ticket...that offense will be entertaining to watch every week with him healthy and in charge.

kingnebwsu

08-28-2006, 08:44 PM

Stupid thought I put this to record on TiVo. 9/14 for 140 yds and 3 TD's (I think) is pretty awesome. Can't wait to see the offense.

If their D can catch up with a healthy Carson then Cincy should win at least 10 this year.

JonInMiddleGA

08-28-2006, 08:59 PM

If the police can't catch up with too many of their players then Cincy should win at least 10 this year.

Fixed that for you ;)

bob

08-28-2006, 09:00 PM

If the Bengals make the Super Bowl, the 49ers will beat them.

kingnebwsu

08-28-2006, 09:19 PM

Jerry Rice would dance his way into the end zone and it would be very awkward.

RendeR

08-28-2006, 09:37 PM

Good thing the Niners will spend the rest of this decade watching the Super Bowl at home then isn't it.

kcchief19

08-28-2006, 09:50 PM

cougarfreak

08-28-2006, 09:55 PM

MacroGuru

08-28-2006, 09:55 PM

MrKordell

08-28-2006, 09:59 PM

preseason

Don't get too excited yet.

cougarfreak

08-28-2006, 10:03 PM

preseason

Don't get too excited yet.

The only thing that excited me tonight was to watch Palmer play tonight. I don't put any weight into preseason scores or the like, but Palmer was impressive tonight. All that, and he didn't complete a pass to Chad Johnson.

Glengoyne

08-28-2006, 10:07 PM

preseason

Don't get too excited yet.

A guy named Kordell knows a lot about premature declarations of greatness.

rowech

08-28-2006, 10:30 PM

As a Bengals fan, I felt Cincy would have beat Pittsburgh in the first round last season. I don't know if they would have gone to the super bowl, etc. but there is no question, they have no chance of the playoffs without Palmer. He looked good tonight. Still some timidness to really let go off of his front foot and straighten it out but overall, I actually feel like we can compete with anyone in the AFC.

The thing that I'm more impressed with is the defense right now. The addition of Sam Adams has already been huge...you can see what a difference it will make for the Dends especially. The secondary, I would put up against about any secondary in the league right now. The addition of Dexter Jackson and the return of Madieum Williams at the other safety close a MASSIVE gap that was existent last year with Adams closing the other. At this point, they haven't looked like they've missed Odell either.

I agree with thoughts...it is preseason...that's why I only watch the first half of preseason games. But at this point, I feel good about this season. Super Bowl? I can't say that at all but I also can't say there's no way either.

PackerFanatic

08-28-2006, 10:46 PM

Even as a Packers fan, I enjoyed seeing Palmer get out there and play, he looked good after what was a bad injury.

Yes, the Packers looked like shit, Favre looked like he did last year, but I won't put too much on it...they looked like that against SD two weeks ago and came back to put on a good show against Atlanta. It is only preseason, I won't get too worked up until they start doing that in the regular season (*hopes not*)

Cydney

08-29-2006, 06:24 AM

I wished more than anything to see the game last night - I'm a Bengals fan, and the Mrs. is a Packers fan. But! Fuckin TSN had to show the damned US Open. Fuckin tennis.

scooper

08-29-2006, 07:46 AM

I'm not sure I'd get too hyped. Whether it was just being nice or following the "unwritten code" of the preseason, Green Bay did absolutely nothing to try and put pressure on Palmer. It'll be a lot different in week one when Gunther Cunningham will have his front line primed to put Carson down as frequently as possible and go Rodney Harrison on him.

Until then, I'll withhold judgement. It was an impressive performance. But it was just an exhibition game. Let's wait until we see it for real before we pencil the Bengals into the AFC title game against Jeff George and the Raiders.

Green Bay blitzed a lot last night. It is a falsehood to say they did nothing to try to pressure him. The truth is more than they failed to pressure him. Though even when they reached him, it didn't faze him.

For as big of a boob as Theisman can be, he made some great observations on Palmer's play last night-especially the progression from bending his plant knee early to straightening it out as the game went on. Also, the fact that when guys were diving around his legs, he did not look down. This was something he struggled with early in camp.

Now, for those spouting the "only preseason" mantra. We know. It's the not score that has us excited. (Though it was nice)

You have to remember that this offense was explosive last year. We're not basing our expectations on this preseason, but rather a return to last year's production. The only missing piece to that has been Palmer's health. Now along comes last night's game and we saw him play with no apparent ill effects. 7 1/2 months ago, many of us were afraid he was done. Or at least done for 06. That doesn't appear to be the case.

So excuse us our enthusiasm over a preseason game. We're thrilled to see one of the top offenses in the leage coming back in true form. And we're actually a bit excited to see some of the changes on defense showing good returns so far.

Police blotter jokes and Palmer's injury aside, the Bengals will play a big role in the AFC again this season.

cougarfreak

08-29-2006, 07:48 AM

I wished more than anything to see the game last night - I'm a Bengals fan, and the Mrs. is a Packers fan. But! Fuckin TSN had to show the damned US Open. Fuckin tennis.

You do have a remote control, right???:) ;)

Butter

08-29-2006, 07:57 AM

Still not sure why Baltimore is getting so much love this preseason. McNair is going to break down at some point this season, and their running game just isn't what it used to be. Plus, the defense has gone WAY downhill. Someone explain it to me. It will still be Steelers/Bengals battling for the AFC North again.

Injury aside, that's what you expect from Palmer. Efficient, deadly, poised, smart. That's just who he is. I kept waiting for him to have a Ki-Jana moment, just crumpling without being hit. Having the Bengals' luck, I'll probably be waiting for that moment every time he drops back this year. I just hope it never comes.

scooper

08-29-2006, 07:59 AM

I cringed a couple times last night. When he took off running, Bengals fans everywhere were screaming "Go down!"

Cydney

08-29-2006, 08:34 AM

You do have a remote control, right???:) ;)

We don't have espn here.....TSN usually carries the stuff, but not last night. They were our only hope.... :mad:

kcchief19

08-29-2006, 04:29 PM

Did you watch the game, Palmer scrambled several times to avoid the pressure "that was not there", was knocked down twice, including being thrown down and spun on his injured knee.:confused: That vaunted Gunther Cunningham front line ranked 24th in sacks last year.
I think we watched different games. I saw Palmer scramble once (not a couple of times) and (very wisely) slide down with no one within five yards of him. If Carson Palmer can play 16 games and never get sacked and get knocked down a grand total of 64 times (projecting last night's half over a full season), he'll be MVP. If you think that's indicative of the experience of a typical NFL quarterback, I think we do indeed watch two different games.

That's not going to happen. Green Bay got no pressure with the their defensive line, they didn't blitz much and when they did blitz the Bengals picked it up -- I have no doubt because the offensive line was coached to not let anyone get within arm's reach of Palmer.

I'm not pimping the Chiefs defense -- I'm just saying that I think Green Bay played the perfect foil last night by not trying that hard to go after him. Plus there is no way the offensive line can play at the high of a level to protect him all season. He's going to get hit -- a hell of a lot harder and a hell of a lot more times than he got hit last night. After that, I'll say he's back.

I'm rooting for him -- it's a good story. I just won't be rooting for him in week one. :)

cougarfreak

08-29-2006, 08:11 PM

I think we watched different games. I saw Palmer scramble once (not a couple of times) and (very wisely) slide down with no one within five yards of him. If Carson Palmer can play 16 games and never get sacked and get knocked down a grand total of 64 times (projecting last night's half over a full season), he'll be MVP. If you think that's indicative of the experience of a typical NFL quarterback, I think we do indeed watch two different games.

That's not going to happen. Green Bay got no pressure with the their defensive line, they didn't blitz much and when they did blitz the Bengals picked it up -- I have no doubt because the offensive line was coached to not let anyone get within arm's reach of Palmer.

I'm not pimping the Chiefs defense -- I'm just saying that I think Green Bay played the perfect foil last night by not trying that hard to go after him. Plus there is no way the offensive line can play at the high of a level to protect him all season. He's going to get hit -- a hell of a lot harder and a hell of a lot more times than he got hit last night. After that, I'll say he's back.

I'm rooting for him -- it's a good story. I just won't be rooting for him in week one. :)

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/COL03/608290397/1082/SPT

kingnebwsu

08-29-2006, 09:59 PM

IF Palmer is healthy all season and IF the defense plays slightly better, the Bengals are a shoo-in for the playoffs.

Saturday is the start of college football and I can't wait because summertime is boring as hell for sports.

GO FOOTBALL!!!

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 07:47 AM

Butter

08-30-2006, 07:57 AM

Let's see, yeah, they rested Palmer because they had clinched the playoffs, and it was Vermeil's last game. No mitigating circumstances there.

cougarfreak

08-30-2006, 08:08 AM

How'd that last visit to Arrowhead go for the Bengals against the front line that ranked 24th in sacks last year? Let me remind you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=260101012

Also, it's pretty obvious that you don't know that there are three new starters on the defensive line. Also, the Chiefs added Ty Law opposite of Patrick Surtain. The Bengals will have plenty of work to do. Consider the Bengals extremely fortunate if they get out of Arrowhead with a win (as should any other team that manages a win at Arrowhead).

Yeah........that game meant alot since the bengals had clinched the playoffs, clinched the division, and rested the starters. I agree the bengals will be lucky to get out of Arrowhead with a win, it is one of the toughest places to win on the road, that's not what I was saying. If they do, it'll be more likely to be of the 35-28 variety than the 10-7 variety. I'm sure the Chiefs will have plenty of rushing yards against the Bengal defense.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 08:11 AM

Let's see, yeah, they rested Palmer because they had clinched the playoffs, and it was Vermeil's last game. No mitigating circumstances there.

So Palmer's being in the game = 34+ points? Interesting. Can't wait to see it happen. This guy must be the second coming. I'm sure that Palmer would have blocked much better for the offensive line that day. Opening day at Arrowhead won't give the Bengals any jitters at all.

***Cue happy music with lyrics about greatness of Bengals after one year of success***

Butter

08-30-2006, 08:17 AM

***Cue happy music with lyrics about greatness of Bengals after one year of success***

All I said was there were mitigating circumstances, but you seem to want to poke fun at the Bengals fans for being optimistic. I think they'll win, but they might very well lose. But pointing at that game last year as proof that the Bengals will lose is laughable.

stevew

08-30-2006, 08:19 AM

So Palmer's being in the game = 34+ points? Interesting. Can't wait to see it happen. This guy must be the second coming. I'm sure that Palmer would have blocked much better for the offensive line that day. Opening day at Arrowhead won't give the Bengals any jitters at all.

***Cue happy music with lyrics about greatness of Bengals after one year of success***

Fuckin' A, don't disrespect the undefeated AFC North Preseason champs like that.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 08:25 AM

Fuckin' A, don't disrespect the undefeated AFC North Preseason champs like that.

Oh, well that's a different story then. I apologize.

:D :D :D

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 08:39 AM

All I said was there were mitigating circumstances, but you seem to want to poke fun at the Bengals fans for being optimistic. I think they'll win, but they might very well lose. But pointing at that game last year as proof that the Bengals will lose is laughable.

First off, poking fun at the Bengals is a time-honored tradition.

Second, Chiefs fans don't accept players taking games off even if they don't mean something. The effort from your team was deplorable.

As crazy as Arrowhead is on any given Sunday, it is a absolute maelstrom on opening day. Any fan who takes a visit to Arrowhead comes away with a great respect for any team that can manage to win there.

I'll give you two names that you will know well by the end of the first game: Tamba Hali and Jared Allen. Two very good defensive linemen who will have a big advantage with the crowd volume.

Butter

08-30-2006, 08:49 AM

RendeR

08-30-2006, 01:19 PM

You must be bored.

Rather than sitting around trash talking other teams' fans, I'll be home enjoying the second positive season my team has had in 18 years, so forgive me for squeezing some enjoyment out of it.

At this point Chiefs fans have nothing more to look forward to than poking fun at other teams fans. Their O-line is weaker, they still don't have a top flight Wideout, their defense must rebound from a bengal-eske performance last season and to top it all off, they have a new head coach who's gaming style becomes amazingly predictable and has shown zero ability to lift a team to the next level.

Don't stress the chiefs fans, all they've got is talk.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 01:22 PM

At this point Chiefs fans have nothing more to look forward to than poking fun at other teams fans. Their O-line is weaker, they still don't have a top flight Wideout, their defense must rebound from a bengal-eske performance last season and to top it all off, they have a new head coach who's gaming style becomes amazingly predictable and has shown zero ability to lift a team to the next level.

Don't stress the chiefs fans, all they've got is talk.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

korme

08-30-2006, 01:32 PM

Interview with Odell Thurman up at ESPN's Page Two... very inspirational.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/060830&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman sits in a green velvet chair 16 floors above the street with his back to Cincinnati's Fountain Square, or what's left of it, as construction workers below loudly tear apart and rebuild one of the city's most famous landmarks. In effect, the same thing has been happening to Thurman this preseason.
http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/flemfile_logo.jpg
While growing up in an impoverished part of rural Georgia, Thurman overcame the deaths of both of his parents to star at UGA. Several off-field incidents in college caused him to fall to the second round of the 2005 draft. But in Cincinnati Thurman emerged as the Chad Johnson of the resurgent Bengals defense. From his Mike 'backer spot he led the team with 148 tackles (46 ahead of the second-place tackler) and led all NFL rookies with five picks while his Tasmanian Devil style of play drew comparisons to Ray Lewis and restored the team's defensive swagger. "The sky's the limit with Odell," said Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.
Those expectations, however, all came crashing down around him this summer when Thurman's second violation of the NFL substance abuse policy led to a four-game suspension to start the 2006 season. He says that missing tests while out of town this summer, as well as appointments with his NFL mandated counselor, are what caused the violation -- not another positive drug test result. (The NFL considers them the same thing.) And he denies, flatly, the notion that he skipped the tests because he was going to test positive. Now Thurman says he'll be tested several times a week and his next violation would result in a yearlong suspension.
Thurman, 23, was allowed to participate in all preseason activities but on Sept. 4 he will no longer be permitted to practice or be with the team on game days. As he neared the isolation of that cutoff date, Thurman, dressed in a striped Coogi polo shirt and sporting a massive chunk of tobacco in his right cheek, sat down after the Bengals' MNF triumph to clear the air with the first in-depth interview of his tumultuous preseason.
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Tom Szczerbowski/US Presswire
After a great rookie season in 2005, Thurman received comparisons to Ray Lewis.

He began by placing one finger on the corner of the dark wood coffee table in front of him, saying …
"If this is the edge right here then I got one foot over the edge, I got one whole leg over the edge and the fall would be … I can't even see the ground. A one year [suspension] for me, if I were to make that mistake, it would be like committing suicide.
"I just want people to know I wasn't out there using all types of drugs. Basically, it was me missing a test. To be honest it was my first NFL offseason and I was out doing too much during the summertime, being irresponsible about the whole thing and not taking it real serious. I made a mistake. And I'm living with that mistake. And now I'm refocusing. I just worry that the fans have gotten the wrong impression on me, that they think I'm an addict with real problems with using drugs. I've heard some wild stuff, rumors about crack, methamphetamine, people saying I came into camp 50 pounds underweight. When the main thing to all this was me missing a test -- not failing it, missing it. Even though if you miss a test in this system, it's the same as having drugs in your system. That's the way they see it.
"I'm not the kind of person that's been portrayed by the media, a bad guy or a drug user. I'm not. That's not the case at all. I want people to see the situation I'm in and how critical this is for me. I know some people will still believe whatever they want to believe. But the people around me, they know what kind of a person I truly am. Missing the test is not on the same pedestal as using. Missing the test is irresponsible. Using drugs is stupid. I blame it all on myself, I was just being irresponsible about the whole situation. In some ways I look at it like, man, I didn't really mess up but I still come across in all of this looking like the real bad guy. I'm not perfect but I'm not on meth or crack cocaine, either.
"I knew for a couple of months, I was just waiting to hear back from the league what the punishment would be. The biggest problem was around camp, when the news came out, I was embarrassed and scared and I separated myself from everyone. Coach called me like five or six times but I was in denial. I didn't want to face it. I didn't want to handle it. I was worried how everyone would treat me. I mean, I used to be the happiest guy in the building coming into work. And I wondered if guys would still follow me on this defense. But my teammates welcomed me back with open arms and the Bengals didn't turn their backs on me either. They're, like, 110 percent behind me. Coach is like a father to me. It's that simple.
"Looking from the outside in, I don't get mad at people when they say that [the Bengals have character issues] because there has been a lot of stuff going on with this team. But there's a lot of people in that locker room and coaches can't control everyone. The Bengals organization can tell people, 'don't do this, don't do that.' But they can't control everyone in that locker room. They can't.
"When I finally came back to camp I sat down with coach and he basically said this to me: 'You're mine. I drafted you, I'm not pushing you away, I'm still behind you 100 percent. Just stay focused from here on out. Don't get down. Don't mess up again. Just get back on the field.' I think he knew that I had heard enough how bad I had messed up. I know what I did and that I had to take full responsibility for what I did. So the team said to me, 'we still love you around here, we're still your family, we're not going to push you out the door because of one mistake.' [Coach] called me every other day making sure I was okay, asking if I needed to talk or if I needed anything. I had tried to push him away at first, I thought I should deal with it on my own, but that was the wrong thing to do. I was really just hiding.
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Tom Szczerbowski/US Presswire
Thurman will miss Cincy's first four games in 2006 -- including games at Kansas City and Pittsburgh and vs. New England.

"I feel like I came in as a rookie and I made a statement right away. I may have made some mistakes but I made them at a 100 miles per hour. As a rookie on the field, I could be a tiny, half step out of alignment and coach Lewis would jump down my throat. Like, 'GET UP AND GET OVER THERE, RIGHT NOW ODELL!' And I'd move one tiny step over and that's how far off I was, a few inches. That was the kind of small stuff he stayed on my back about and that's why I had a great rookie season on the field.
"I think coach Lewis is doing the same things with me, only now it's with my life. If I'm two minutes late for a meeting, he's gonna get on me. If I'm not dressed properly for practice, he's gonna get on me. All the small stuff, he's gonna get on me. And I appreciate having someone in my life like that and I know I need it. Being young and being in the situation I'm in right now, I can't make any more mistakes, not one more slipup.
"Missing the test for me was like one more eye-opener or another kick in the butt for me. Like, it's time to get focused again. I've got goals set higher than just being in the NFL. I really do feel like I can be one of the best. But I can honestly say, too, that I haven't worked like that. I haven't worked like I'm the best. I lift weights. I do this. I do that. I run. But there are times when I slip and I don't want to work out and I'm just being young and irresponsible. I've always had that in the back of my mind: that I'm the best, I'm the greatest. What I found out was everyone thinks that. But not everyone prepares to be the greatest.
"But now that I have this mistake on me, the magnifying glass will always be on me. I gotta work. I can't slip. I can't falter. All I have to do is make sure I don't hang myself. I gotta live my life more organized. I gotta plan ahead. And I gotta see the big picture of my life, which is football has gotten me everything I have. That's the main reason for where I'm at: football.
"Looking back on my whole career, this is how it's always been for me. Like at Georgia. I got suspended, I messed up and I knew that if I made another mistake I was out of there. And I went straight. Now I messed up in the league at an early point in my career. I have no more errors I can make. So now I have to make this a 10-year run -- at least.
"I know it doesn't seem like it because I almost blew it all, almost let it all go, but I appreciate what I got now, especially after where I came from. I don't think everyone out there truly understands where I came from. The way I grew up, I had an elbow in the back of my neck my whole life. Like, 'you're gonna do right, you're gonna be the one who makes it.' But 90 percent of the people out there, if they had been through the stuff I've been through in life, they wouldn't be where I'm at.
"I lost both parents at a young age. Basically I came from nothing: I mean 15, 16, 17 people in a four-bedroom house, sharing clothes with my cousins, four people in a bed, man if you came home late you had trouble finding a spot to sleep. I'm serious. We were rich with love, though, we were rich with love.
"My dad's death was much harder to take than my mom's. Being at such a young age when she died [in a car wreck when Odell was in the fourth grade] I kinda didn't really understand it. It hurt but I didn't understand it. When my father died [of liver and kidney failure three years ago] it came at a key point in my life -- when I really needed him he was gone. I was 20, had just had a kid of my own [Odalyus, now 4] and it was the week before my first college game. At that point I didn't have a parent to support me. Nothing. I had uncles and family and my grandma but there's nothing like having your parents behind you.
"My dad came to watch me in the Red-Black scrimmage before my sophomore year at Georgia. I had a good game. We celebrated. Three or four days later my auntie calls and says, 'You need to come see your daddy.' Now, I had just talked to him earlier in the day and when I came home to see him in the hospital, he was already like a vegetable. A few days earlier he had been complaining about a stomachache. But it was kidney failure, they said. He was dying from kidney failure from drinking too much. But he wasn't a drunk. He went to work, sober, every day for eight, nine years. His body just couldn't take it any more.
"What I remember the most was the doctor's wording when I asked him a question about talking to my dad the next day. And he said to me: 'If he makes it through the night.' If? I caught that. I remember that. If? My family was hiding from me how bad it was. But I remember that word: if. I left the hospital and drove back to campus and in the hour it took me to get back to Athens, he died. He left me too early. That's what I think. He left me too early. I played that week. I didn't start. But I played a good game. I needed to get back around my teammates.
"And that's what I need now. It's gonna be a long month, I'm not gonna lie about it. But I think I'll be alright. Watching games, being close but not being able to get in there with my teammates, that's the worst punishment right there. Not playing, I've been looking at this team like this: Damn, they're good, but now imagine if they had me too? What if I was out there? I really do believe that I play a key role on this team. Then I look at our offense and it's like, they can just score whenever they want to. Most teams talk about the Super Bowl this time of year but for us, it's a realistic goal to set.
"Man, we could be like the Colts last year, winning 13, 14 in a row. That's not even thinking outside the box with this team. It's not. We've got a great team that can really do something like that this year. We're stacked at every position. Most teams this time of year are like, 'we need a quarterback, we need a running back, we need a safety.' But I can't name one position in that locker room that we don't have guys who are the best in the league at their position. This is a team full of Pro Bowlers.
"And I'm still a part of this team, I'm still a Bengal. That's what I need to stay focused on right now. I've still got a job to do when I get back. I know I have to do the right thing now, so I'm not scared. It's all up to me. I control it. And in my mind I think I'll be a Bengal forever. It's gonna take time, I know, but I think I can be one of the most beloved players around here.
"Once I step back on the field I'm hoping all of this stuff will diminish. People will see that I'm still focused, that I'm still the player I was last year, that I'm still the Bengal they used to love. I think this will pass over. That's what I'm hoping.
"I just want everyone to see the truth: that I made some mistakes but that doesn't make me a bad person. I did make some mistakes. I'm not denying that. I did get in the program to begin with. And to get in you had to be doing something. But I'm not the first and I won't be the last to deal with this type of stuff. I just want people, however they looked at me beforehand, that's what I want to go back to.
"I just don't want to end up a sad case, you know? I don't want to look back one day and have to say, 'coulda, shoulda, woulda been.' I want to be able to look back in 10 years and say I was one of the greatest. I want to be a success story. I want people to say he came from nothing and made it all the way to the Hall of Fame.

"From nothing to the Hall of Fame. That's the story I want. A success story.
"I don't want to end up no sad story."

RendeR

08-30-2006, 01:34 PM

First off, poking fun at the Bengals is a time-honored tradition.

Really? perhaps you should look at the criteria for such things and head over to the San Francisco or Arizona joke stalls then, ours is closed.

Second, Chiefs fans don't accept players taking games off even if they don't mean something. The effort from your team was deplorable.

Yes, the effort our 2nd and 3rd team players put out against your BEST was deplorable, and hence you won the game handily. I still get confused...who went to the playoffs after that game?

As crazy as Arrowhead is on any given Sunday, it is a absolute maelstrom on opening day. Any fan who takes a visit to Arrowhead comes away with a great respect for any team that can manage to win there.

I won't argue with this one, Arrowhead is a loud, obnoxious, insane place to play football, not unlike PBS when the crowd gets going. I have no doubt it will be a very tough day for the offense, but our offense is far enough ahead of KC's defense that I trust they'll do just fine.

I'll give you two names that you will know well by the end of the first game: Tamba Hali and Jared Allen. Two very good defensive linemen who will have a big advantage with the crowd volume.
Hali COULD be quite a pickup, but he's a bit undersized for a D-lineman(265?). Remember he's gotta face Big Willie Anderson and/or Levi Jones, two of the best tackles in the game right now. He'll be hard pressed to out maneuver either of them more than once in a game.

Allen is definitely a pass rush talent, but again, he's facing two of the best tackles in the game, If he even begins to take over his area they'll double team him with a tight end or FB.

Seriously though, player for player right now, the Bengals have more talent, they've got a proven head coach and the single cooest most composed under pressure QB in the game right now. Though my personal belief is that our number 1 positive is an offense thats been together for 3 years now and knows one another inside and out.

Cohesion factor anyone?

Bengals win by at least a TD. ;)

Aylmar

08-30-2006, 01:36 PM

Seriously though, player for player right now, the Bengals have more talent, they've got a proven head coach and the single cooest most composed under pressure QB in the game right now.

When did the Bengals trade for Tom Brady?

RendeR

08-30-2006, 01:38 PM

Interview with Odell Thurman up at ESPN's Page Two... very inspirational.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/060830&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

*Snipping rediculously hard to read cut and paste article*

You could have just give the link and a quick comment shorty ;) that mess you posted is hard to read.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 01:40 PM

Yes, the effort our 2nd and 3rd team players put out against your BEST was deplorable, and hence you won the game handily. I still get confused...who went to the playoffs after that game?

Seriously though, player for player right now, the Bengals have more talent, they've got a proven head coach and the single cooest most composed under pressure QB in the game right now. Though my personal belief is that our number 1 positive is an offense thats been together for 3 years now and knows one another inside and out.

Cohesion factor anyone?

Bengals win by at least a TD. ;)

Yeah, the first team looked a whole lot better in the playoff game. Oh, that's right. One player makes your whole team. Second coming of Joe Montana no doubt.

Printed and stapled on bulletin board........ready for repost after week #1. ;)

RendeR

08-30-2006, 01:41 PM

When did the Bengals trade for Tom Brady?

no offense to Tom, but when he's getting chased down regularly he makes some really fantastic mistakes.

Last 2 minutes of the Dolphins game on MNF? fumble and INT to lose a lead and the game.

Playoff game VS broncos, pressured into bad throws and costly turnovers.

Brady isn't Joe Cool anymore, he's showing his humanity.

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 01:43 PM

Printed and stapled on bulletin board........ready for repost after week #1.

:D:D:D:D:D

Just remember to post it when we WIN as well as if we lose that game ;)

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 01:43 PM

Isnt this where all of the dumbasses chime in and say that "Brady has the rings, so he must be better", because its an armwrestling contest and only the QB decides the outcome?

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 01:44 PM

:D:D:D:D:D

Just remember to post it when we WIN as well as if we lose that game ;)

Thankfully, I don't have to worry about that scenario........

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 01:45 PM

no offense to Tom, but when he's getting chased down regularly he makes some really fantastic mistakes.

Last 2 minutes of the Dolphins game on MNF? fumble and INT to lose a lead and the game.

Playoff game VS broncos, pressured into bad throws and costly turnovers.

Brady isn't Joe Cool anymore, he's showing his humanity.

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

you no longer are allowed to make serious football comments.

korme

08-30-2006, 01:48 PM

Uh, for the record, Palmer is the second coming. It's not just speculation. That is all.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 01:49 PM

The Pats had several injuries on D last year and started the season 4-4, if I remember correctly. If Brady is the sole reason they win and lose then why werent they 7-1, or 6-2 over that stretch? It seems to me to prove that he is a good QB on a team with a great D, and thats why they dominate.

MikeVic

08-30-2006, 01:49 PM

The correct answer is Jeff George.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 01:52 PM

Uh, for the record, Palmer is the second coming. It's not just speculation. That is all.

So noted. I hear his team is roughly +35 points when he's in the lineup vs. when he's out.

Honolulu_Blue

08-30-2006, 01:54 PM

you no longer are allowed to make serious football comments.

Seconded.

korme

08-30-2006, 01:54 PM

So noted. I hear his team is roughly +35 points when he's in the lineup vs. when he's out.
Quoted for the truth.

korme

08-30-2006, 01:56 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 01:59 PM

Hali COULD be quite a pickup, but he's a bit undersized for a D-lineman(265?). Remember he's gotta face Big Willie Anderson and/or Levi Jones, two of the best tackles in the game right now. He'll be hard pressed to out maneuver either of them more than once in a game.

I'm guessing you've never heard of a guy named Derrick Thomas. He was undersized (255 lbs. on a good day) with a motor that wouldn't stop, much like Hali. He ran around fat guys all day long. He'll soon be in the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest sackers of all time.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 02:00 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 02:02 PM

BTW, I urge fellow Bengals fans to stop picking fights with other team's fans on here. Let Mizzou Bball guy #1 run his mouth, and let stevew talk shit until we beat the Steelers twice (;))... talking shit and claiming we are the greatest before the season starts makes people think badly about/root against the Bengals. And I want everyone on this bandwagon, capeche?

I always root for the Bengals. For roughly the past two decades, they've been the NFL equivalent of the Bad News Bears. Can't root against them because you feel sorry for them.

DeToxRox

08-30-2006, 02:02 PM

no offense to Tom, but when he's getting chased down regularly he makes some really fantastic mistakes.

Last 2 minutes of the Dolphins game on MNF? fumble and INT to lose a lead and the game.

Playoff game VS broncos, pressured into bad throws and costly turnovers.

Brady isn't Joe Cool anymore, he's showing his humanity.

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

Bengals go to the playoffs once, and now Palmer is the man, and Brady is nothing more then living in past glories?

I'd love to bet on football against you.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:05 PM

Paging Dwight Freeney

He has a chance at the all time sack record at this pace.

Honolulu_Blue

08-30-2006, 02:07 PM

I always root for the Bengals. For roughly the past two decades, they've been the NFL equivalent of the Bad News Bears. Can't root against them because you feel sorry for them.

As a Lions fan I cannot feel sorry for any other NFL team. These "Bad News Bears" have been to TWO, count 'em, TWO Superbowls. Boo hoo, poor Bengals with all their play-off wins and their TWO Superbowl appearances. Woe be the Bengals. Cry me a river.

That said, I have no dislike for the Bengals, even though last year's Bengals/Lions game in Detroit had to be one of the low points for the Lions' organization (which is saying something). Their players have been intergral parts of many fantasy football successes. I was riding the Rudi Johnson/Chad Johnson express long before it became popular to do so.

Still, that Carson Palmer/Tom Brady thing was silly, but we've come to expect that sort of nonsense from some folks around here.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 02:15 PM

I'm guessing you've never heard of a guy named Derrick Thomas. He was undersized (255 lbs. on a good day) with a motor that wouldn't stop, much like Hali. He ran around fat guys all day long. He'll soon be in the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest sackers of all time.

Perhaps you should learn the difference between a Linebacker and a Defensive End. Hali is going to go every single day against the top lineman the other team has, Thomas rarely ever faced such a blocker as he was blitzing from behind the line most of the time.

Derrick was an amazing player and to compare an untested unknown rookie to him in completely different situations is simply dumb.

Aylmar

08-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

How about a blindside pressure that makes him pop the ball up like a lollipop for a defensive lineman to catch? Or another blitz that causes him to throw a dart right to the roaming free safety, essentially ending the game? A block of ice, for sure. He's got great talent, but maybe we should relax a bit from the dismissal of a two time Super Bowl MVP. Let's talk again when Palmer's actually won a playoff game.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 02:18 PM

Bengals go to the playoffs once, and now Palmer is the man, and Brady is nothing more then living in past glories?

I'd love to bet on football against you.

Who gives a fuck what Brady is living in?

RendeR

08-30-2006, 02:20 PM

How about a blindside pressure that makes him pop the ball up like a lollipop for a defensive lineman to catch? Or another blitz that causes him to throw a dart right to the roaming free safety, essentially ending the game? A block of ice, for sure. He's got great talent, but maybe we should relax a bit from the dismissal of a two time Super Bowl MVP. Let's talk again when Palmer's actually won a playoff game.

how about we just stop injecting Tom "My ass is god's toilet tissue" brady into every fucking NFL thread? hmmm?

perhaps not everyone gives a flying fuck about Tom "I'm on the perfect team for my abilities and have the best game planning coach" brady?

Dismissed.

stevew

08-30-2006, 02:21 PM

How about a blindside pressure that makes him pop the ball up like a lollipop for a defensive lineman to catch? Or another blitz that causes him to throw a dart right to the roaming free safety, essentially ending the game? A block of ice, for sure. He's got great talent, but maybe we should relax a bit from the dismissal of a two time Super Bowl MVP. Let's talk again when Palmer's actually won a playoff game.
The Bengals would have gotten away with a playoff game if it hadn't have been for that meddling Kimo Von Awful.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:21 PM

stevew

08-30-2006, 02:23 PM

This thread is certainly disrespecting Tom Brady. It's a good thing nobody mentioned Bruschi yet, or fire from the sky would come and strike the desecrater of the football messiah down.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 02:23 PM

Perhaps you should learn the difference between a Linebacker and a Defensive End. Hali is going to go every single day against the top lineman the other team has, Thomas rarely ever faced such a blocker as he was blitzing from behind the line most of the time.

Derrick was an amazing player and to compare an untested unknown rookie to him in completely different situations is simply dumb.

You are incorrect. Hali was doing the exact same thing that Thomas did in the past. Gunther has put in several packages that he used to use for Derrick Thomas. Hali will not be strictly lining up at defensive end. He actually has 3 different positions he will be playing, ranging from a DE rusher to a linebacker who drops back into short coverage. If you'd like to see just how many different ways he will be used, watch the Chiefs last preseason game. Rarely did he line up in the same position.

As far as the comparison, it wasn't to say that Hali will turn out the same. It was merely to show that your statement that an undersized rush end couldn't perform in the league was way off (as several others noted in the thread).

Honolulu_Blue

08-30-2006, 02:24 PM

perhaps not everyone gives a flying fuck about Tom "I'm on the perfect team for my abilities and have the best game planning coach" brady?

you no longer are allowed to make serious football comments.

What part of "you no longer are allowed to make serious football comments" did you not understand?

For the sake of brevity and comprehension rksmurf does not use big words or long sentences. Ever.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 02:25 PM

I think secretly you have a thing for Brady. Oh yes...you love him!

Gah, no, lived outside Boston during the bowl years, I'm so sick of his name and face that If he vanished tomorrow I'd never bat an eyelash. He's a good QB, no doubt at all, but he's not the messaiah as many people seem to believe.

I'm sick to death of every thread being turned into Brady this and Brady that when its not even ABOUT Brady. STFU about him already, his 15 minutes are over, get on with life.

Pumpy Tudors

08-30-2006, 02:25 PM

I think secretly you have a thing for Brady. Oh yes...you love him!
I agree with this.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:26 PM

What part of "you no longer are allowed to make serious football comments" did you not understand?

For the sake of brevity and comprehension rksmurf does not use big words or long sentences. Ever.

don't fuck with me or all throw up all over this thread like shorty did

Honolulu_Blue

08-30-2006, 02:29 PM

don't fuck with me or all throw up all over this thread like shorty did

If you're serious about this (and would not resort to cut & paste), then I will gladly continue to fuck with you.

Mizzou B-ball fan

08-30-2006, 02:30 PM

If you're serious about this (and would not resort to cut & paste), then I will gladly continue to fuck with you.

Sounds like the beginning of a beautiful romance.

Butter

08-30-2006, 02:31 PM

Can't figure out who is the most obnoxious fan in this thread: Mizzou B-ball fan or RendeR.

I'm with Shorty, I'm keeping my mouth shut. The Bengals will do well to go 2-2 over the first 4.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:32 PM

If you're serious about this (and would not resort to cut & paste), then I will gladly continue to fuck with you.

Cut and paste is for suckers. So are articles about Odell Thurman consisting of more than 5 sentences.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 02:33 PM

You are incorrect. Hali was doing the exact same thing that Thomas did in the past. Gunther has put in several packages that he used to use for Derrick Thomas. Hali will not be strictly lining up at defensive end. He actually has 3 different positions he will be playing, ranging from a DE rusher to a linebacker who drops back into short coverage. If you'd like to see just how many different ways he will be used, watch the Chiefs last preseason game. Rarely did he line up in the same position.

As far as the comparison, it wasn't to say that Hali will turn out the same. It was merely to show that your statement that an undersized rush end couldn't perform in the league was way off (as several others noted in the thread).

Derrick Thomas was never a Defensive End, He was a Linebacker, diferent mentality entirely, differnt styles of play. Hali may line up all over, but he's a DE at heart and thats where he'll play the most and as such will be facing much bigger and stronger blockers than Derrick did as a pass rushing linebacker.

I never said he couldn't perform in this league, I said he has points that require some proving, he IS undersized for a DE and until he proves that he can play all night against men 50-80lbs bigger than he is I wouldn't be getting real excited about him. If and when he shows he can do what he did in college at the pro level, i'll be right there with the kudos.

Ksyrup

08-30-2006, 02:34 PM

For the sake of brevity and comprehension rksmurf does not use big words or long sentences. Ever.

Point of clarification...that's for his own comprehension, not ours.

DeToxRox

08-30-2006, 02:34 PM

Can't figure out who is the most obnoxious fan in this thread: Mizzou B-ball fan or RendeR.

I'm with Shorty, I'm keeping my mouth shut. The Bengals will do well to go 2-2 over the first 4.

I'm glad to see people have their heads on there. I think Palmer is good and the Bengals __COULD__ be good, but my God, to proclaim them champions and annoint Palmer as better then Brady after one half of the pre-season against an awful Packer team?

Ugh.

Aylmar

08-30-2006, 02:34 PM

how about we just stop injecting Tom "My ass is god's toilet tissue" brady into every fucking NFL thread? hmmm?

perhaps not everyone gives a flying fuck about Tom "I'm on the perfect team for my abilities and have the best game planning coach" brady?

Dismissed.

It's hilarious that you're implying I'm a Brady guy.

You're the one who made the ridiculous statement that a QB who has one division title, one winning season, and no playoff victories is the coolest QB under pressure in the league. And not presented as just speculation, either. You expanded the idea to say that thinking anything else would be homer-ism. Nice work.

Does Roethlisberger have a better gameplanning coach as well? Is that why he's 4-1 (3-1, I suppose, we won't charge Palmer for a game he couldn't finish) against Carson the last two years? Oh yeah, it's the talent around Ben, isn't it? Poor Carson, stuck on a team of no-names, carrying them on his back to an AFC North championship...

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:36 PM

I'm glad to see people have their heads on there. I think Palmer is good and the Bengals __COULD__ be good, but my God, to proclaim them champions and annoint Palmer as better then Brady after one half of the pre-season against an awful Packer team?

Ugh.

The Bengals will be good and probably make the playoffs but beyond that I have no idea.

Especially in a road playoff game.

Didn't the Bengal D have a ridiculous amount of turnovers last year? I would suspect that will decline a bit.

DeToxRox

08-30-2006, 02:36 PM

Derrick Thomas was never a Defensive End, He was a Linebacker, diferent mentality entirely, differnt styles of play. Hali may line up all over, but he's a DE at heart and thats where he'll play the most and as such will be facing much bigger and stronger blockers than Derrick did as a pass rushing linebacker.

I never said he couldn't perform in this league, I said he has points that require some proving, he IS undersized for a DE and until he proves that he can play all night against men 50-80lbs bigger than he is I wouldn't be getting real excited about him. If and when he shows he can do what he did in college at the pro level, i'll be right there with the kudos.

You talk about performance ..

.. Lets see Palmer perform in a playoff game. You seem so sure he's going to be the man .. Well, what's Manning got to his name?

Until he actually plays a playoff game, quit making asinine assumptions.

stevew

08-30-2006, 02:38 PM

Palmer has an average of 66 yards per attempt in playoff games. If he got 25 attempts, he would throw for a metric mile.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 02:50 PM

You talk about performance ..

.. Lets see Palmer perform in a playoff game. You seem so sure he's going to be the man .. Well, what's Manning got to his name?

Until he actually plays a playoff game, quit making asinine assumptions.
While I believe its asinine to say Palmer is the best with so little experience and even less success, its also asinine to start the old"whats Peyton ever won" thread. Manning has done everything short of winning a superbowl, and yes that is the goal but its stupid to use that as the only measuring stick. Does that mean Marino was a scrub and Doug Williams was better? Elway was the proof that it isnt just the QB that determines the game. He was blown out of every Super bowl he played in until Terrel Davis showed up, the all of the Sudden Elway was the best ever.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:56 PM

While I believe its asinine to say Palmer is the best with so little experience and even less success, its also asinine to start the old"whats Peyton ever won" thread. Manning has done everything short of winning a superbowl, and yes that is the goal but its stupid to use that as the only measuring stick. Does that mean Marino was a scrub and Doug Williams was better? Elway was the proof that it isnt just the QB that determines the game. He was blown out of every Super bowl he played in until Terrel Davis showed up, the all of the Sudden Elway was the best ever.

Marino is overrated.

Thank you.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 02:57 PM

Marino is overrated.

Thank you.
Overrated for putting up the #s he did without ever having a decent running game and average WRs?

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 02:59 PM

Overrated for putting up the #s he did without ever having a decent running game and average WRs?

Yes. I'm a veteran of this debate.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 03:01 PM

Yes. I'm a veteran of this debate.
So you are saying you are used to being wrong then.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 03:03 PM

It still doesnt remove the fact that Elway was sodomized in every Super Bowl he played in until TD showed up, but people stroke him all the time now as being the best ever. Hence, it takes more than the QB to win the game, or Elway would have been 5-0.

rkmsuf

08-30-2006, 03:06 PM

So you are saying you are used to being wrong then.

not at all

I would never say he sucked. My point centers around overratedness in the context of his perception and the perception that he was a victim of circumstance in Miami.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 03:08 PM

I disagree with you, but its not as farfetched as some of the other staements made in this thread. I do agree with you about Freeney. If he dodges injury, he could give the record a run.

Glengoyne

08-30-2006, 03:51 PM

not at all

I would never say he sucked. My point centers around overratedness in the context of his perception and the perception that he was a victim of circumstance in Miami.

I'm with you on this point. I pretty well always felt he was overrated. A great player, but not near the very best.

Izulde

08-30-2006, 04:04 PM

Marino is overrated.

Thank you.

Uh, no.

He had jack for a running game pretty much his entire career and then Jimmy Johnson fucked him over in his last years by getting rid of all the decent receivers Marino had.

He did more with less supporting cast than maybe any other QB in NFL history.

Pumpy Tudors

08-30-2006, 04:06 PM

He did more with less supporting cast than maybe any other QB in NFL history.
There's a guy named Manning who may have claim to that title, although I see where you're coming from.

RendeR

08-30-2006, 04:28 PM

*snipped entirely*

You people really bore me to death with this discussion. Get your own thread, nevermind, use this one, I'm done with it.

Noble_Platypus

08-30-2006, 08:56 PM

I am taking my ball and going home

cougarfreak

09-10-2006, 07:59 PM

So Palmer's being in the game = 34+ points? Interesting. Can't wait to see it happen. This guy must be the second coming. I'm sure that Palmer would have blocked much better for the offensive line that day. Opening day at Arrowhead won't give the Bengals any jitters at all.

***Cue happy music with lyrics about greatness of Bengals after one year of success***

Wow!! Palmer's not just worth 34 points, he's worth 47!!!:)

st.cronin

09-10-2006, 08:15 PM

no offense to Tom, but when he's getting chased down regularly he makes some really fantastic mistakes.

Last 2 minutes of the Dolphins game on MNF? fumble and INT to lose a lead and the game.

Playoff game VS broncos, pressured into bad throws and costly turnovers.

Brady isn't Joe Cool anymore, he's showing his humanity.

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

I can't believe I missed this. I like Carson Palmer, but ... this is like comparing Danica Patrick to Shakira. Opinions CAN be wrong.

st.cronin

09-10-2006, 08:15 PM

I think secretly you have a thing for Brady. Oh yes...you love him!

Of course he does, it's just so obvious.

st.cronin

09-10-2006, 08:16 PM

Chief Rum

09-10-2006, 08:20 PM

BTW, I urge fellow Bengals fans to stop picking fights with other team's fans on here. Let Mizzou Bball guy #1 run his mouth, and let stevew talk shit until we beat the Steelers twice (;))... talking shit and claiming we are the greatest before the season starts makes people think badly about/root against the Bengals. And I want everyone on this bandwagon, capeche?

He speaks from experience. He is an Ohio State fan.

RendeR

09-10-2006, 11:44 PM

I can't believe I missed this. I like Carson Palmer, but ... this is like comparing Danica Patrick to Shakira. Opinions CAN be wrong.

See, yet again you show your ignorance.

Shakira can barely drive her volvo, let alone a race car. Danica kicks shakira's ass all over the race track.

:rolleyes:

Butter

09-18-2006, 09:27 AM

The Bengals will do well to go 2-2 over the first 4.

I'm revising my hope for this to 3-1. I think they'll beat New England in 2 weeks, provided nobody else breaks their neck between now and then.

Julio Riddols

09-18-2006, 10:06 PM

In all honesty they should beat Pittsburgh too.. The biggest factor last season in those losses to Pittsburgh was A.- Big trick plays, which aren't going to be quite as easy without Randle El, and B.- A clock eating, dominant running game..

I think Cincinnati has proved.. Or maybe Sam Adams has.. That they can stop the run in weeks 1 and 2, and for the most part of the preseason as well. Add to that the fact that they just seem to have a different feel this year than last.. A little less deer in the headlights, a little more like they really expect to be in the super bowl and are playing like it. And, Randle El is in Washington, while Jerome Bettis, who KILLED the Bengals in the past, enjoys retirement.

I predict a CLOSE game, decided by whoever makes the last mistake or the last big play.. Something like 24-23 or 23-20.

Lots of bloody noses and a couple shoving matches throughout the game..

Should be a classic, honestly. Should be for years to come if you ask me.

The entire AFC North will be a really tough division to win in come 2007 and 2008.

Jonathan Ezarik

09-18-2006, 10:23 PM

The entire AFC North will be a really tough division to win in come 2007 and 2008.

You don't think it's a tough division this year?

JPhillips

09-19-2006, 07:15 AM

Just read a story on the Bengals 2005 draft class.

Pollack- Out for year

Thurman- Suspended for four weeks

Henry- Facing possible suspension

Ghiacuc- Healthy

Keift- PUP list

Perry- Questionable for Sunday

Fanene- PUP list

OUCH!

Butter

09-19-2006, 08:06 AM

scooper

09-19-2006, 10:38 AM

If the Steelers don't go deep to take advantage of Dexter Jackson's absence, then they're really not paying attention. The Bengals need to figure out how to pick up the blitz, and/or make the quick throw. Frankly, Palmer had trouble with this Sunday. He was killing the Browns on the intermediate stuff, but they need to hit some slants and some quick hooks and outs in order to gain yardage vs. the zone blitz.

And they need to keep the Steelers away from his legs. Apparently, they like going after the legs. I know this is a surprise.

This really became a problem Sunday after Braham went out, which makes me think there were issues with the line calls and protection/communication. Hopefully, a week to prepare as the starter for Ghiacuc helps. He will be responsible for making line calls against one of the more complicated and aggressive defensive fronts in the league.

Julio Riddols

09-19-2006, 11:20 AM

You don't think it's a tough division this year?

Cleveland is the only team that is considerably weaker than the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens.. This is based on early results, and the fact that the Browns are still held back a bit by the newness of their coaching staff and their young QB, etc. They should improve considerably in the next couple years, and if Ed Reed and Ray Lewis stay healthy in Baltimore, I don't see any reason why every team in the division can't have a winning record at the very least in 2008.

The Ravens D will be enough to make the addition of McNair look like it was bigger than it really was, because I haven't seen them play like this since their super bowl season, when my mom could have led them to the title..

The Steelers are always a team to reckon with because Bill Cowher is one of the best coaches in the game, and they have a young talented QB who should keep them in the hunt every year as long as he doesn't get killed. Aside from that their defense seems to always have a swagger, and they also have the best safety in the game making all kinds of problems in the secondary.

Then in Cincinnati, all their significant offensive starters are signed through 2008 except for Eric Steinbach and Rich Braham, who already have guys being groomed behind them. Thats just crazy cohesion in the age of free agency. They may slip a little defensively if they lose a couple guys, but right now they have so much depth on both sides of the ball, except for maybe at safety.. Its hard to not see them in the playoff hunt for at least the next 3 years.

hhiipp

09-19-2006, 03:46 PM

After all the injuries on Sunday is it safe to start worrying again?

Butter

09-19-2006, 06:30 PM

No, they can cover for those injuries.

kingnebwsu

09-19-2006, 07:04 PM

I still think PIT will win the game on Sunday (and Cincy will win at home vs Pit later this year). Still a good start to the season so far, and it's a tough schedule the next several weeks.

stevew

09-20-2006, 02:28 PM

CJ was a bit weary after that hit.

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Butter

09-20-2006, 02:35 PM

I was waiting for a video of that to come out after I read that cameras were kept away from him after the game... I was thinking "they couldn't have kept them away from him completely, he must've done something on camera that caused them to get the cameras away from him."

Yeah, that was it. Lord knows why he and Palmer were still in the game.

JonInMiddleGA

09-25-2006, 07:24 AM

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060925/NEWS01/309250010

Thurman busted in OVI check
BY MARK CURNUTTE | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman was arrested at 3:05 a.m. today and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol.

Thurman was arrested in the 3800 block of Kellogg Avenue in the East End. He was brought to a checkpoint operated by the Cincinnati Police and Ohio State Patrol and submitted to a breath test.

Thurman registered a .17, which is considered a high-tier reading, said Officer Stephen Lawson of the Cincinnati Police Traffic Section.

Under Ohio law, a person is presumed intoxicated at .08 percent blood alcohol content.

Thurman was released to a sober driver, Lawson said.

Thurman was one of several Bengals players in Thurman’s 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe.

The identification of other Bengals players riding in the vehicle was not immediately available, Lawson said.

Thurman, 23, was the only occupant charged with DUI, the officer said.

Thurman is currently serving a four-game suspension for a second violation of the NFL substance abuse policy, stemming from a failed test, which was believed to be a missed test.

He is eligible to come off the suspended list and return to practice Oct. 2, one week from today.

The Bengals played their third game Sunday, a 28-20 victory at Pittsburgh, to improve to 3-0.

Thurman, under terms of his suspension, is not allowed to be in the stadium on game day. The team flew home on a charter flight immediately after the game, and Thurman was believed to have hooked up with some teammates to celebrate the victory.

The Bengals’ standing policy is to not comment on players’ legal issues until they are resolved in the court system.

If convicted, Thurman would be subject to additional NFL discipline, including a fine or longer suspension.

Butter

09-25-2006, 08:15 AM

"Thurman was the only occupant charged with DUI"? Can you charge other people in the car who are not driving with DUI?

Butter

09-25-2006, 09:21 AM

Bengals fans can relax about being 3-0 against an opening schedule stacked against them with an offense that really hasn't clicked yet.

I'm sure someone will come in here and verbally abuse me now for showing a tiny shred of excitement and/or joy.

scooper

09-25-2006, 10:29 AM

Loved the win. Pissed about ODell.

Butter

09-25-2006, 10:33 AM

I think someone on these very boards predicted Odell's self-destruction over a year ago, so I can't say I'm surprised. But this crap is getting OLD.

JonInMiddleGA

09-25-2006, 11:05 AM

I think someone on these very boards predicted Odell's self-destruction over a year ago, so I can't say I'm surprised. But this crap is getting OLD.

Ahem. "Someone" ?

No respect I tell ya, no respect at all ;)

Noble_Platypus

09-25-2006, 11:47 AM

"Thurman was the only occupant charged with DUI"? Can you charge other people in the car who are not driving with DUI?

SInce the D stands for driving they cant be charged unless the vehicle has multiple steering wheels or something.

RendeR

09-25-2006, 04:51 PM

We should be able to be 6-0 heading into the toughest stretch of our schedule:

Atlanta at home
At baltimore
San Diego at home

I'm going to predict we take 2 of 3 of those, very optimistic, but 2 at home and we've been excellent in baltimore recently. I think we can get to 8-1.

Thoughts?

Chief Rum

09-25-2006, 04:57 PM

RendeR

09-25-2006, 05:06 PM

Aren't you playing NE next week? Little presumptious to assume 6-0, isn't it?

Whats presumptuos about it? new england has played like utter shyte against 3 lousy teams thus far. yes Denver is lousy, their offense is horrendous and their defense is overworked. Buffalo? Tuff on D with an offense worse than the pats, and lets not even discuss the jets.

New England has played at or below the talent level of each opponent. I don't see them stepping it up multiple notches to come into Cincy and take a game from the Bengals.

It may not be an easy win, but it will be a win. new England is not an elite squad this season, nor were they last season. Reputation says its a toss up game, watching the players on the field says its a Bengals win.

Chief Rum

09-25-2006, 05:10 PM

Whats presumptuos about it? new england has played like utter shyte against 3 lousy teams thus far. yes Denver is lousy, their offense is horrendous and their defense is overworked. Buffalo? Tuff on D with an offense worse than the pats, and lets not even discuss the jets.

New England has played at or below the talent level of each opponent. I don't see them stepping it up multiple notches to come into Cincy and take a game from the Bengals.

It may not be an easy win, but it will be a win. new England is not an elite squad this season, nor were they last season. Reputation says its a toss up game, watching the players on the field says its a Bengals win.

If even you, a hardcore fan, will admit it won't be an easy win, I would suggest you not look past it. 6-0 is not a given at all, IMO. The Patriots often play like shyte early, but then they start to get things going and by the end of the year, they are really good. I have seen it many times now. And it doesn't start in Week 8 or Week 10. It usually starts in September-early October; i.e. now.

If your Bengals look past the Pats the way you are doing, they will be 5-1 going into your toughest stretch--at best.

Butter

09-25-2006, 05:40 PM

If your Bengals look past the Pats the way you are doing, they will be 5-1 going into your toughest stretch--at best.

I seriously doubt the team will look past New England. They are the team to emulate, 3 SB's in 5 seasons.

New England could certainly put it together and come in and win in Cincy. But given the way the 2 teams have been playing, I think you have to favor Cincinnati in this game, and put them at a surprise 4-0 headed into the bye week.

I am a devout, hardcore Bengals fan, but not even I thought they would win at Kansas City and at Pittsburgh. That's just insanity. But to win another over NE in a 4 week stretch? If they can do that, they become the early season AFC co-favorite with Indy in my mind. No question.

Chief Rum

09-25-2006, 06:05 PM

I seriously doubt the team will look past New England. They are the team to emulate, 3 SB's in 5 seasons.

New England could certainly put it together and come in and win in Cincy. But given the way the 2 teams have been playing, I think you have to favor Cincinnati in this game, and put them at a surprise 4-0 headed into the bye week.

I am a devout, hardcore Bengals fan, but not even I thought they would win at Kansas City and at Pittsburgh. That's just insanity. But to win another over NE in a 4 week stretch? If they can do that, they become the early season AFC co-favorite with Indy in my mind. No question.

Oh I am not saying Cincy doesn't have a chance, or that the Pats are going to go into the Bengals' home and beat them up silly. I think Cincy will win, too, actually. But to take the stance Render is taking, to just ignore the fact that the team which has won three of the past five SB is on your schedule next and leap to 6-0, is being naive and presumptious. Glad to see you're not following his lead there.

RendeR

09-25-2006, 06:49 PM

But to take the stance Render is taking, to just ignore the fact that the team which has won three of the past five SB is on your schedule next and leap to 6-0, is being naive and presumptious. Glad to see you're not following his lead there.

Of course since I don't kiss the proverbial new England blarney stone I must be naive and presumptious. Look its not that I'm ignoring the pats, they're a solid team coached by probably the best head coach around. I'm jsut taking into account that their offense sucks ass and their coaching staff BEYOND belicheck is no dynasty maker. I compare them to what the Bengals have on the field and I honestly believe it is a win.

But of course I'm just naive.

Then again, MAYBE you're just ASSUMING more than whats on the screen? Hrm? Maybe you're assuming I didn't give them any thought at all.

Maybe I'm just real tired of the Patriot pandering that continues even when the team looks like the bad news bears on the field?

Maybe I tire of being ridiculed as I support what COULD be the best team in the AFC or perhaps the NFL this season? I said COULD so shut up about it ;P

*grumps*

Bengals Beat the Pats 31-21, brady throws 3 picks and maroney comes close to 100 during sloppage play in the 4thQ.

jeff061

09-25-2006, 06:59 PM

Maybe I'm just real tired of the Patriot pandering that continues even when the team looks like the bad news bears on the field?

Fine by me. When they were bar none the best team in football everyone called them overrated. Now that they are "struggling" (a term used loosely in this case), people are overstating their talents.

The Pats didn't play horrible against the Jets, the Bills are showing some swagger(I'm not declaring them a WC), and Denver has always had their number for some reason. Barring injury, they can only improve as their offense gels.

Aylmar

09-26-2006, 07:05 AM

Bengals Beat the Pats 31-21, brady throws 3 picks and maroney comes close to 100 during sloppage play in the 4thQ.

If they don't man up against the run better than they did in Pittsburgh, he won't need slop play to get to a 100. The rest of the team looks good, but the Bengal run defense is still horrible. And while Brady doesn't have any receivers to throw to, he does have a nice stable of running backs...should be a good game.

Butter

09-26-2006, 07:35 AM

The rest of the team looks good, but the Bengal run defense is still horrible.

You must not have seen either of the first 2 games.

Aylmar

09-26-2006, 07:49 AM

You must not have seen either of the first 2 games.

I didn't watch the Cleveland game, but they aren't exactly known for being a great rushing offense. They were servicable against Kansas City's revamped offensive line, but they were pushed around in Pittsburgh. Did Sam Adams play? Because I sure didn't see him...

stevew

09-27-2006, 03:41 PM

Not that they were expecting him back, but he's gone daddy gone for the whole year now.

The Cincinnati Bengals have announced LB Odell Thurman has been suspended by the NFL for violating the NFL Substance Abuse Policy. Thurman's current four-game suspension has been extended to a one-year suspension. Thurman can apply for reinstatement prior to next season.

Butter

09-27-2006, 06:24 PM

Marvin also took his locker away and assigned it to a practice squad player. In my opinion, he needs to do something with Henry as well.

stevew

09-27-2006, 08:35 PM

Marvin also took his locker away and assigned it to a practice squad player. In my opinion, he needs to do something with Henry as well.

Man, too bad Henry is a douche, cause he has the tools you want in a receiver. I'm suprised he wasn't asking for Hugh after that shot Clark hit him with.

Julio Riddols

09-27-2006, 11:52 PM

Henry hasn't yet been suspended, and may not be.. If he stays out of trouble from now on, no need to do anything.. But if he does slip up again, he will definitely be dealt with severely.

Thurman will be lucky to make this team next year if he keeps this up. Ahmad Brooks will take over and do just fine. Sad that a guy who could have been a real badass is having stupidity issues like this.

I wanted to make a prediction for this weekends game against the Pats- I see them as a team that is easily on its way out, not nearly the force it was even two years ago, mostly because they have just lost so many players. You cant replace them all.. With Randall Gay out, I expect Palmer to throw for 300+ and a few TDs, and Rudi will run it a lot in the 4th quarter to wind up with a steady 25 carries and 90 yards with a score of his own.

Final: Cinci 34, New England 20. New England loses 2 in a row for the first time since 2002.

st.cronin

10-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Of course since I don't kiss the proverbial new England blarney stone I must be naive and presumptious. Look its not that I'm ignoring the pats, they're a solid team coached by probably the best head coach around. I'm jsut taking into account that their offense sucks ass and their coaching staff BEYOND belicheck is no dynasty maker. I compare them to what the Bengals have on the field and I honestly believe it is a win.

But of course I'm just naive.

Then again, MAYBE you're just ASSUMING more than whats on the screen? Hrm? Maybe you're assuming I didn't give them any thought at all.

Maybe I'm just real tired of the Patriot pandering that continues even when the team looks like the bad news bears on the field?

Maybe I tire of being ridiculed as I support what COULD be the best team in the AFC or perhaps the NFL this season? I said COULD so shut up about it ;P

*grumps*

Bengals Beat the Pats 31-21, brady throws 3 picks and maroney comes close to 100 during sloppage play in the 4thQ.

this post counts

DaddyTorgo

10-01-2006, 05:59 PM

st.cronin

10-01-2006, 06:04 PM

no offense to Tom, but when he's getting chased down regularly he makes some really fantastic mistakes.

Last 2 minutes of the Dolphins game on MNF? fumble and INT to lose a lead and the game.

Playoff game VS broncos, pressured into bad throws and costly turnovers.

Brady isn't Joe Cool anymore, he's showing his humanity.

Palmer is a block of ice out there. And he's got more talent. Homer-ize over Brady all you want, Palmer is a better QB.

Carson Palmer is definitely better at fumbling the football, I'll give you that.

Oh boy does this thread have potential.

Vinatieri for Prez

10-01-2006, 06:06 PM

Right now, all I have to say is "38-13" and well over 200 yards rushing. Loving that 6-0 Bengals team and the "bad news bears" Patriots. I will admit that Pats offense was very sucky.

The only weakness I saw there by the Pats was field goal kicking and it was just one long miss.

Let's see:

run the ball. check.
throw the ball. check.
stop the run. check.
stop the pass. check.
protect the QB. check.
sack the QB. check.
good punt return. check.
stop special teams returns. check.

jeff061

10-01-2006, 06:08 PM

Patriots as usual just got lucky and got too many breaks from the officials.

Isn't that what they usually say?

st.cronin

10-01-2006, 06:10 PM

Uh, for the record, Palmer is the second coming. It's not just speculation. That is all.

The second coming of ... Ken O'Brien?

Vinatieri for Prez

10-01-2006, 06:10 PM

Now that it's clear that Cincy cannot stop the run (at least a team with a decent running game), as some astute members pointed out, they are going nowhere in the playoffs until they do.

Vinatieri for Prez

10-01-2006, 06:13 PM

stop the pass. check.

I forgot to add that was with Chad Scott at CB, Hank Poteat at nickleback, and Artrell Hawkins at safety -- all backups and one guy signed a couple of days ago.

McSweeny

10-01-2006, 06:13 PM

i love you guys

:D

st.cronin

10-01-2006, 06:17 PM

Gah, no, lived outside Boston during the bowl years, I'm so sick of his name and face that If he vanished tomorrow I'd never bat an eyelash. He's a good QB, no doubt at all, but he's not the messaiah as many people seem to believe.

I'm sick to death of every thread being turned into Brady this and Brady that when its not even ABOUT Brady. STFU about him already, his 15 minutes are over, get on with life.

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st.cronin

10-01-2006, 06:23 PM

st.cronin

10-01-2006, 06:26 PM

Ok, I'm done now.

duckman

10-01-2006, 06:27 PM

You guys are brutal. I love it! :D

Vinatieri for Prez

10-01-2006, 06:37 PM

I forgot to add that was with Chad Scott at CB, Hank Poteat at nickleback, and Artrell Hawkins at safety -- all backups and one guy signed a couple of days ago.

Actually, my bad, I forgot that WR Troy Brown was taking some snaps at nickleback as well.

stevew

10-01-2006, 06:41 PM

I forgot to add that was with Chad Scott at CB, Hank Poteat at nickleback, and Artrell Hawkins at safety -- all backups and one guy signed a couple of days ago.

2 out of the 3 of those guys made up one of the worst Steeler secondaries in history. Hank Poteat is the defensive version of Lee Mays.

Pumpy Tudors

10-01-2006, 08:38 PM

2 out of the 3 of those guys made up one of the worst Steeler secondaries in history. Hank Poteat is the defensive version of Lee Mays.
Lee Mays is a hell of a basketball player. I saw him and some other Steelers-associated people playing against Seton Hill University staff and faculty, and Mays put a hell of a move on one of the SHU math professors.

I'm just saying.

EagleFan

10-01-2006, 08:46 PM

Looks like the whole team "relaxed" today

Vinatieri for Prez

10-02-2006, 01:34 AM

What a classic quote from the losing dressing room, this one courtesy of TJH: "I feel like we were the better team," Houshmandzadeh said. ``But the score doesn't say that."

Dude, what were you smokin' out there?

jeff061

10-02-2006, 05:54 AM

I think the attitude of the 2000-2004 Steelers and fans have swapped with the Bengals.

It only took half a decade to knock the stupid out of the them.

korme

10-02-2006, 04:09 PM

Looks like the whole team "relaxed" today

I think we overlook/under value this:
The Bengals are
without last years leading tackler in Odell Thurman
without three LB's overall...Thurman, Pollack, Jeanty
without their 3rd down back that had 51 catches last year - Perry
without a starting, veteran safety - Jackson
without their 12-year starting center - Braham
without their best kick returner - Ratliff
and without their #3 WR - Henry
You can only apply the band aid on depth for so long
At some point it catches up
At some point you get exposed
At some point the opponent adjusts and takes advantage of it

wade moore

10-02-2006, 04:12 PM

And that's just the ones in jail...

Vinatieri for Prez

10-02-2006, 04:37 PM

I think we overlook/under value this:
The Bengals are
without last years leading tackler in Odell Thurman
without three LB's overall...Thurman, Pollack, Jeanty
without their 3rd down back that had 51 catches last year - Perry
without a starting, veteran safety - Jackson
without their 12-year starting center - Braham
without their best kick returner - Ratliff
and without their #3 WR - Henry
You can only apply the band aid on depth for so long
At some point it catches up
At some point you get exposed
At some point the opponent adjusts and takes advantage of it

Similar things can be said about most teams, especially the Patriots. I won't even go into depth about what the Patriots are missing. You are what you are, and what the Bengals are are 3-1 and unable to stop the run, no matter how you slice it.

Butter

10-02-2006, 07:19 PM

I seriously doubt the team will look past New England.

How many times can they play like shit at home against good teams before somebody actually steps up on this fucking team? I know it was a let down game, but that was an embarrassment.

stevew

10-02-2006, 07:20 PM

Carson Palmer better be labled "Fumble Prone" in Madden 2008.

Butter

10-02-2006, 07:25 PM

3-1 over the first 4 still equals a good start with that schedule, but you never like to go into a bye week with that kind of beating. Hopefully a road game at Tampa Bay in 2 weeks will cure what ails 'em. Palmer needs to figure out why he's turned into Dave Krieg the last 2 weeks, though.

ISiddiqui

10-02-2006, 07:31 PM

Carson Palmer better be labled "Fumble Prone" in Madden 2008.

If he's fumble prone... what is Kurt Warner going to be labeled as!!! :eek:

stevew

10-02-2006, 07:37 PM

If he's fumble prone... what is Kurt Warner going to be labeled as!!! :eek:

Retired.

stevew

10-06-2006, 01:59 PM

Chris Henry just got a 2 week suspension from the NFL for general Jackassery.

scooper

10-06-2006, 02:01 PM

Good. General Jackassery is a good description.

DeToxRox

10-15-2006, 03:27 PM

Tom Brady would've not only lead the Bengals down the field with 30 seconds and 3 TO, he also probably would've picked off Gradowski's pass on 4th and 4.

panerd

10-15-2006, 03:32 PM

Tom Brady would've not only lead the Bengals down the field with 30 seconds and 3 TO, he also probably would've picked off Gradowski's pass on 4th and 4.

Too bad Justin Smith has already won the game a few plays before that with a fumble causing sack. But apperently now in the NFL you can no longer even tackle the quarterback.

RendeR

10-15-2006, 03:36 PM

Tom Brady would've not only lead the Bengals down the field with 30 seconds and 3 TO, he also probably would've picked off Gradowski's pass on 4th and 4.

One more assinine troll post like this and I delete the whole thread. You've been warned ;)

cougarfreak

10-15-2006, 03:57 PM

Seriously....what a fucking terrible call.

Yes.........it was a terrible call, but there is no excuse for their offense only putting up 13 points today, after having 2 weeks to prepare for this game. Bratkowski's playcalling is the fucking joke.

rowech

10-15-2006, 04:00 PM

Agreed as well 100%. Both coordinators suck.

Vinatieri for Prez

10-15-2006, 05:39 PM

So much for 6-0.

Greyroofoo

10-15-2006, 05:57 PM

Bengals can't handle a quarterback from Toledo

Chief Rum

10-15-2006, 06:02 PM

panerd

10-15-2006, 06:07 PM

Well, that pretty much does it for me. I have been hanging my fantasy hat on Palmer and CJ (at least partly) this year. They won me a championship last year. But I can't do it anymore. I'm going to fall in a close one today because I started Palmer and CJ over Brees and Horn. Ouch.

I think when it comes down to close calls now under center, I am going to be going with Brees and not Palmer.

That sounds like a really bad idea, but good luck with Brees. I think Palmer over Brees is a no brainer, but check back in when the 6-10 Saints are scoring like 10 points a game and the Bengals monster gets back on track.

Chief Rum

10-15-2006, 06:24 PM

That sounds like a really bad idea, but good luck with Brees. I think Palmer over Brees is a no brainer, but check back in when the 6-10 Saints are scoring like 10 points a game and the Bengals monster gets back on track.

I'm sure you would have said that before Week One but look where we are now. Your offense has been Gawd-awful. They have had one good week, at least fantasy points wise. Meanwhile, New Orleans has had several good showings now.

What have you done for me lately?

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-30-2006, 08:30 AM

Is the paper correct? Bengals, Jaguars and Chiefs are in a 3 way tie for the wild card spots at this point? Granted, I believe that the Chiefs are the odd-man out if you go through the tiebreakers at this point, but who would have thought this after the first game of the season where the Bengals walked in and got a big win in Arrowhead and knocked out Trent Green. I don't think either team's fans would have thought that these two teams would be on the edge of the playoff picture (surprise for Chiefs fans, disappointment for Bengals fans).

caspanky

10-30-2006, 12:39 PM

It looks like they would be tied for the last wild card spot.

Division Leaders
New England 5-1
Baltimore 5-2
Indianapolis 7-0
Denver 5-2 (better div record then SD)

Wild Card
San Diego 5-2
Cin Jax KC 4-3

rkmsuf

10-30-2006, 12:41 PM

Bengals Fans can't relax

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-30-2006, 12:49 PM

It looks like they would be tied for the last wild card spot.

Cin Jax KC 4-3

Yes, but Cinci would win any ties against KC because they beat KC in week 1. Not sure what would be the tiebreaker result between Cinci and Jax.

Ksyrup

10-30-2006, 12:53 PM

Cincy no look great in reglar season.

JPhillips

10-30-2006, 01:07 PM

rkmsuf

10-30-2006, 01:12 PM

They need another Chris Henry arrest to focus this team.

st.cronin

10-30-2006, 01:29 PM

The Bengals are who we thought they were.

caspanky

10-30-2006, 01:56 PM

Yes, but Cinci would win any ties against KC because they beat KC in week 1. Not sure what would be the tiebreaker result between Cinci and Jax.

Yeah that's true. I just didnt feel like figuring out the tiebreakers. Kinda lazy today. Plus there is still so much time left in the season.

rowech

10-30-2006, 02:36 PM

If the Bengals lose at Baltimore this week I'm afraid the wheels could come off. Anderson and Rudi both were bitching a lot about the running game and the general lack of toughness yesterday. I'm afraid this season could get ugly.

And they have a right to. Rudi is the most underrated back in the league. They need to stop running him to the outside and actually use his butt. It's just terrible watching our offense play. It's starting to make me think of Mike Martz and his play calling. We need to run more and use some play action off of it to get some long pass plays. I don't care about the O-line. You play the game and make those guys step it up.

This week is an absolute must win. The wild-card isn't coming from the AFC North with the schedules all of the teams have to play in that division. To fall back 2 games and give Baltimore the tie-breaker is sending the team down the crapper for the rest of the year.

Vinatieri for Prez

10-30-2006, 03:48 PM

Hmm, I don't get it. Why run the ball? I could have sworn I read here earlier that Carson Palmer was the best QB in the league and worth about 34 points a game.

rowech

10-30-2006, 03:49 PM

Not from me you didn't.

Vinatieri for Prez

10-30-2006, 04:19 PM

Not from me you didn't.

You're right. It's just a jab at a couple of posts way back in particular. But your analysis is pretty accurate.

rowech

10-30-2006, 04:47 PM

People want to make football so darn complicated. Can you run the ball and can you stop the run? That's the bottom line. Everything else comes off of those two things.

Mizzou B-ball fan

11-06-2006, 07:43 AM

What in the world is wrong with this team? I'm beginning to think that the Chiefs loss against the Bengals in Week 1 at home was a bad loss instead of a loss to a good team.

Then, after the game, Chad Johnson decides to make his best impression of TO and throw the team into further turmoil. I'm not sure why he thought that was going to help the team, but I'm not sure why he thinks any of his antics help the team in general.

Vinatieri for Prez

11-06-2006, 01:03 PM

What are you talking about? The Bengals are 8-0.

Pumpy Tudors

11-06-2006, 01:06 PM

Well, hey, at least Bengals fans can relax.

EagleFan

11-12-2006, 10:40 PM

This thread just isn't getting nearly enough credit.

Julio Riddols

11-13-2006, 07:56 AM

Well, hey, at least Bengals fans can relax.

Literally. we are actually very good at physically relaxing. :)

This team, however.. Yeah, now it makes me anxious.

One theme kills them every game.

Crim

11-13-2006, 09:39 AM

One theme kills them every game.

The "score more points than your opponent" theme? Or were you thinking of the theme from a television show? I always like the end theme of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century in particular...

Ksyrup

11-13-2006, 09:44 AM

This thread just isn't getting nearly enough credit.

It was started by the wrong poster.

Julio Riddols

11-13-2006, 03:08 PM

The "score more points than your opponent" theme? Or were you thinking of the theme from a television show? I always like the end theme of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century in particular...

If I had to choose a musical theme for what has happened, it would likely be the music they played on Benny Hill.

AlexB

11-13-2006, 03:11 PM

How about the Chris Henry as Inspector Clouseau (sp?) theme?

Vinatieri for Prez

11-13-2006, 09:53 PM

This thread just isn't getting nearly enough credit.

Yeah, it was a classic - right down to the title.

stevew

12-31-2006, 08:02 PM

You guys can relax and watch the playoffs this year. Unfuckingbelievable indeed.

Vinatieri for Prez

12-31-2006, 09:29 PM

RedKingGold

12-31-2006, 10:34 PM

stevew

01-02-2007, 02:07 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070101
Single Worst Play of the Season So Far: It's overtime in the Pittsburgh at Cincinnati game. The defending champion Steelers are eliminated from postseason play, but Cincinnati must win to keep its playoff chance alive -- and it would later turn out that had Cincinnati won, Denver's surprise loss would have put the Trick or Treats into the postseason. Pittsburgh faces first-and-10 on its 33. The Bengals start a chain-reaction of fiasco by big-blitzing. Santonio Holmes catches a quick slant in front of Cincinnati corner Tory James, who stumbles. James then turns around and watches Holmes run 67 yards for the winning touchdown. It's overtime of the final game, if you don't catch the Pittsburgh runner your season ends, and James just stood there watching Holmes run; eventually, he sort-of jogged in the general direction of the play. Several other Bengals just stood watching Holmes head up the sideline, too. It's overtime of the final game, if you don't catch the Pittsburgh runner your season ends! Cincinnati Bengals, you committed the Single Worst Play of the 2006 Regular Season. Afterward, Carson Palmer whined, "This is just another game we shouldn't have lost to a team we feel we're better than." Carson: You prove this on the field, not in the media room. The no-account Bengals had no business in the playoffs, and the football gods spoke.

Butter

01-02-2007, 02:20 PM

I'll admit to being wrong about Baltimore. And I'll admit also that the Bengals don't deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs this year. Not with the year they had. They were handed multiple opportunities on a silver platter and repeatedly botched them. Many of the players on this year's team are royally pissed that they blew this chance, which is a good sign. Maybe the selfish ones will be gone between now and next September. Or maybe this team just gets worse. Who knows?

So all you nitpickers and Nelson-HAha-ers can go fuck off now and leave us to wallow in our self-pity and leave us to wait until next year yet again.

Mizzou B-ball fan

01-03-2007, 11:45 AM

The irony of this thread ending like it has is not lost on me. It all started at Arrowhead. It now ends with the Chiefs in the playoffs and the Bengals going home.

cougarfreak

01-03-2007, 03:32 PM

The irony of this thread ending like it has is not lost on me. It all started at Arrowhead. It now ends with the Chiefs in the playoffs and the Bengals going home.

The Chiefs deserve to be going, and the Bengals don't. The Bengals have alot of maturing to do, and most thought it would occur in the 2006 season. Obviously it didn't. Now the question is.........will it ever with this crop of players?

stevew

01-03-2007, 03:53 PM

Chad Johnson haters can relax....

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Harrison has a future career as a wrestler with that type of finishing move.

Noble_Platypus

01-03-2007, 04:26 PM

The Bengals didnt really want to go to the playoffs. They didnt want playoff games to distract them from getting arrested and charged with various crimes. Thats their real passion.

Kodos

01-03-2007, 04:28 PM

You gotta play to your strengths.

Butter

01-03-2007, 05:05 PM

Chad Johnson haters can relax....

Harrison has a future career as a wrestler with that type of finishing move.

That was a nice 15 yard penalty he got too.

Kodos

03-28-2007, 08:13 AM

hxxp://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6616218?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

Bengals' Henry cited on traffic charges

Associated Press

CINCINNATI (AP) - Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chris Henry, already facing possible NFL punishment for problems with the law, has been cited by Cincinnati police on three traffic charges including driving with a suspended license.

Henry also was ticketed for an alleged improper turn and seat belt violation. His vehicle was impounded after he was stopped March 21, and he paid $100 to retrieve it Monday, court records show. Court action is pending.
Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan released a statement Tuesday from the team that said, "While the incident involved a minor traffic matter, the club is frustrated that the issue arose at all. ... Chris' overall future with our team can be determined only after this and other pending matters are resolved by the NFL."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said this week that a tougher player conduct policy should be in place before the April 28-29 draft. Henry, suspended for two games by the NFL last season, could face more punishment after settling the last of his earlier four court cases by serving two days in Kenton County (Ky.) jail in January. That was for letting minors drink in a hotel room he had rented.

Henry is among nine Bengals players arrested in less than a year. He had four arrests in 14 months, including marijuana possession, a weapon charge, and a drunken-driving count that resulted in a guilty plea to reckless operation of a vehicle.

wade moore

03-28-2007, 08:20 AM

Incredible.

Ksyrup

03-28-2007, 08:30 AM

Wrong thread, there's a thread devoted to Bengals players' criminal issues.

Passacaglia

03-28-2007, 08:32 AM

Wrong thread, there's a thread devoted to Bengals players' criminal issues.

Yeah but with all those criminals roaming around Cincinnati, I don't think Bengals fans really can relax...so it's relevant.

Kodos

03-28-2007, 09:03 AM

Damn! Thought I had the right thread!

Ksyrup

03-28-2007, 09:09 AM

This is the thread that wishes it was Raiders Looking Great in Preseaon.

stevew

03-28-2007, 09:51 AM

unfuckingbelieveable I tell you.

st.cronin

03-28-2007, 10:06 AM

They should just start playing their games in prison, to be safe.

st.cronin

10-30-2007, 11:12 AM

bump

Desnudo

10-30-2007, 11:22 AM

jailings are down though

MikeVic

10-30-2007, 11:25 AM

Where did I predict that Rudi Johnson would be worn-down? I swear I thought it was this thread. Anyway, I'm right about that but why did I draft him in a league then. :P I don't even take my own advice.

korme

10-30-2007, 12:04 PM

Fire Chuck
Fire Bob
Fire Marvin
:mad:

sterlingice

10-30-2007, 07:28 PM

Fire Chuck
Fire Bob
Fire Marvin
:mad:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Barkley_1988_SI_Cover.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/BobBarkerSeason31Publicity.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Marvinthemartain.jpg

?

SI

RendeR

10-30-2007, 08:14 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Marvinthemartain.jpg

?

SI

"Where's the KABOOM? There was supposed to be an Earth Shattering KABOOM!"

RendeR

10-30-2007, 08:16 PM

molson

10-30-2007, 08:24 PM

bump

Thank you sir, I missed this the first time around.

Though I'll tell you, I'm getting pretty tired of the constant Brady v. Palmer debates in the media.

RendeR

10-30-2007, 08:48 PM

Thank you sir, I missed this the first time around.

Though I'll tell you, I'm getting pretty tired of the constant Brady v. Palmer debates in the media.

What media? We never hear anytihng about palmer/brady here. I still think Palmer's the better player, but thats pure homerism speaking ;)

JPhillips

10-31-2007, 08:31 AM

On a serious note, I really think bresnahan and bratkowski (Chuck and Bob) are too well known in the nfl, every coaching staff has studied them to death and I just think their systems are to well cracked by now.

I no big fan of either guy, but the bigger problem is a lack of talent. Outside of QB, 2WRs, and a couple of OL, the Bengals simply don't have enough talent/experience to compete.

On Defense one CB is a 2nd year guy, one is a rookie and the other plays hard 50% of the time at most. The linebackers, even if healthy, are a collection of too small/too dumb/too young guys that wouldn't scare anyone.

On offense there is basically one RB, no third WR that can catch, no TE that can catch(and only one that can block), and a few linemen that can't find a spot to stick with.

The coaching may not be good, but the bigger issue is that the team has had a steady dropoff in talent since the playoff year.

Kodos

10-31-2007, 08:48 AM

What media? We never hear anytihng about palmer/brady here. I still think Palmer's the better player, but thats pure homerism speaking ;)

Credibility.... LOST.

RendeR

10-31-2007, 08:57 AM

Credibility.... LOST.

Listen Alienboy. I admitted it was a Homerism, Palmer my QB and I'll take him over anyone playing right now.

Besides, itsw not like you have anything to talk about anyway...The Dolphins are ZERO and what this season? ;)

Kodos

10-31-2007, 09:10 AM

Listen Alienboy. I admitted it was a Homerism, Palmer my QB and I'll take him over anyone playing right now.

Besides, itsw not like you have anything to talk about anyway...The Dolphins are ZERO and what this season? ;)

It's true. It's like we've become the Bengals. Without all the jail time.

RendeR

10-31-2007, 09:11 AM

I no big fan of either guy, but the bigger problem is a lack of talent. Outside of QB, 2WRs, and a couple of OL, the Bengals simply don't have enough talent/experience to compete.

On Defense one CB is a 2nd year guy, one is a rookie and the other plays hard 50% of the time at most. The linebackers, even if healthy, are a collection of too small/too dumb/too young guys that wouldn't scare anyone.

On offense there is basically one RB, no third WR that can catch, no TE that can catch(and only one that can block), and a few linemen that can't find a spot to stick with.

The coaching may not be good, but the bigger issue is that the team has had a steady dropoff in talent since the playoff year.

Hrm, I disagree on the linebackers, when our starting guys are fully healthy they can play with anyone, they showed that last season until about midway when the injuries cropped up again, thats when the D fell apart. You can't do much without healthy backers. The secondary is still too young and O'Neal has always been a coin flip as to which player shows up each day. In Gneral, between the players we have and the utter inability of bresnihan to create a scheme that people can't see through from a week away we're screwed.

One very valid point you make is the TE situation. Not having that solid go-to guy in the middle is really hurting them on 3rd downs.

Normally the O-line is very static, but some lingering injuries to Levi and WIllie have made them jumble things up a bit. Overall though out line play has been excellent, can't blame them.

RendeR

10-31-2007, 09:12 AM

It's true. It's like we've become the Bengals of the 90's.

Fixed that for you.

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 09:12 AM

Bengals had the shortest window ever of a team on the rise. They are on the back nine already with this group.

MikeVic

10-31-2007, 09:16 AM

Bengals had the shortest window ever of a team on the rise. They are on the back nine already with this group.

Doesn't Chad Johnson want to leave now too? So you have a worn-out Rudi, a crappy defense, and maybe no CJ.

JPhillips

10-31-2007, 09:32 AM

Hrm, I disagree on the linebackers, when our starting guys are fully healthy they can play with anyone, they showed that last season until about midway when the injuries cropped up again, thats when the D fell apart. You can't do much without healthy backers. The secondary is still too young and O'Neal has always been a coin flip as to which player shows up each day. In Gneral, between the players we have and the utter inability of bresnihan to create a scheme that people can't see through from a week away we're screwed.

One very valid point you make is the TE situation. Not having that solid go-to guy in the middle is really hurting them on 3rd downs.

Normally the O-line is very static, but some lingering injuries to Levi and WIllie have made them jumble things up a bit. Overall though out line play has been excellent, can't blame them.

On the O-line I'll give you that they've generally played well against the pass rush(excluding Allen eating Levi for lunch), but until the Jets game the running attack was non-existent and a lot of that has to do with the line.

I'll just have to disagree with you on the LBs. IMO they stink even when healthy. Landon Johnson/Ahmed Brooks/Rashad Jeanty aren't anywhere close to league average as a unit. Does anyone else in the league run out a 3rd rounder, a supplemental pick and a CFL pickup as their LBs?

RendeR

10-31-2007, 10:11 AM

Doesn't Chad Johnson want to leave now too? So you have a worn-out Rudi, a crappy defense, and maybe no CJ.

Haven't read anything about that, probably just another rumor that pops up. Honestly Chad isn't the best receiver on the team, TJ is. But its the combination that really makes them both click.

Rudi's been dinged up, nothing new there but the 3rd down back is playing very well and the running game is coming around. I still feel the running attack is always a 2nd or even 3 option for Bob "Lets throw on every down" Bratkowski.

I don't see this team as any different than the Colts prior to their defense actually getting better. I really think we need to ax the coordinators now, let someone step into it for thetime being and in the ofseason do some real reperations to that defense.

Even with how patheic the D has been we've only lost 1 game by more than a touchdown. So the Offense is there. Sometimes I think Marvin handcuffs Brat a bit too and forces him to play it more conservatively. I really dunno.

The only game we haven't been in all year was the pats fiasco and thats nothing surprising this season looking at what the pats have been doing. I really think some new game planners and play calling coupled with just a few upgrades on defense would make this team an amazing one.

One other point I will make is another coaching isue and thats discipline. This team despreately needs Marvin to smack them around a bit. They're al going off the handle at every little thing and its killing them.

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 10:34 AM

lol

Honolulu_Blue

10-31-2007, 10:54 AM

I don't see this team as any different than the Colts prior to their defense actually getting better.

I don't see the Lions as any different than the Colts prior to the Colts drafting Peyton Manning and prior to their offense and defense actually getting better.

RendeR

10-31-2007, 11:07 AM

lol

You find something funny in that?

RendeR

10-31-2007, 11:08 AM

I don't see the Lions as any different than the Colts prior to the Colts drafting Peyton Manning and prior to their offense and defense actually getting better.

You get to talk shit when your team actually gets to a Super Bowl. ;)

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 11:12 AM

You find something funny in that?

an interesting take

Passacaglia

10-31-2007, 11:12 AM

You get to talk shit when your team actually gets to a Super Bowl. ;)

Hey at least we've got NFL Championships!

Aylmar

10-31-2007, 12:28 PM

The only game we haven't been in all year was the pats fiasco and thats nothing surprising this season looking at what the pats have been doing. I really think some new game planners and play calling coupled with just a few upgrades on defense would make this team an amazing one.

Don't kid yourself, the Bengals were never really "in" the Steelers game, either. Pittsburgh just took their foot off the gas once they jumped out to a 21-6 halftime lead.

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 12:38 PM

I think part of the problem over there is that the Bengals think they are better as a team than they really are. Some of the analysis here reflects that in the evaluation of their talent.

In the past 5 years the Bengals have won more than 8 game once. This seems like a team not realizing how average they are. You even hear it from some of the players. Something like how the Bengals are better than the teams beating them. That comes from somewhere.

And that mentality is why you see them play games like against the Jets. Yeah they won but they need to trample that team.

I like some of the Bengals but I really wonder if this all steams from Marvin Lewis overall.

Passacaglia

10-31-2007, 12:48 PM

I figure it comes from the absolute elation that year they went 8-8 for the first time in forever.

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 12:53 PM

I figure it comes from the absolute elation that year they went 8-8 for the first time in forever.

Could be.

It's different over there at least for a northeasterner looking in. I tune into the Bengals radio broadcast the day they were playing the browns and the play by play guy is calling all the bengals by their first name. Sounded very strange but I'm sure that's the norm in that part of the country. Up here it rarely happens in any sport. Always by last name.

Pumpy Tudors

10-31-2007, 12:53 PM

This is the thread that wishes it was Raiders Looking Great in Preseaon.
For the record, seven months later, I think Ksyrup's comment still holds up.

JPhillips

10-31-2007, 12:57 PM

The Bengals are 7-13 over the last twenty games.

They aren't anywhere close to being the Colts.

Honolulu_Blue

10-31-2007, 01:07 PM

Could be.

It's different over there at least for a northeasterner looking in. I tune into the Bengals radio broadcast the day they were playing the browns and the play by play guy is calling all the bengals by their first name. Sounded very strange but I'm sure that's the norm in that part of the country. Up here it rarely happens in any sport. Always by last name.

Hrmm... I don't think this sort of thing is so much regional as it depends on the particular play-by-play guy.

rkmsuf

10-31-2007, 01:09 PM

Hrmm... I don't think this sort of thing is so much regional as it depends on the particular play-by-play guy.

I always viewed this as a midwestern type thing. Let's put it this way...I can't think of a play by play guy in the northeast that does this as the norm. They'd be laughed out of town I would think.