When and what will Jim's next game be?

[Ben E Lou]

Thread will be opened once poll options are created.

[Ben E Lou]

Post your game and release date predictions in the thread. Here's the pertinent info from http://www.solecismic.com

While the last two years have been more family-focused, with no new products seeing release, 2006 will mark several changes for the company. We will release a fully updated version of one of our football games this year. We will also move our office (and home) to Michigan at the start of 2007 to be closer to family.

[TazFTW]

TCY2 in December.

[Passacaglia]

Dude lives 30 minutes from Ann Arbor -- I'm sure he doesn't have Lions fever.

[stevew]

TCY2 in October. But I really hope it's a new FOF.

[Swaggs]

I'm hoping for TCY2, but I think it will be a new FOF.

New FOF will be just fine, too, though. :)

[Vegas Vic]

TCY2, November

[wbatl1]

TCY 2007 in November

[gottimd]

FOF6 http://www.naflsim.com/forum/images/smiles/eusa_pray.gif

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[MizzouRah]

TCY 2 in October. I really could care less which game it is as they are both still fun to play.

[Raiders Army]

Is this a preemptive strike on the inevitable "When's the game coming out and what is it?" thread?

[azjoe_02]

FOF6 in October....I think...and hope!

[gottimd]

Is this a preemptive strike on the inevitable "When's the game coming out and what is it?" thread?

Yeah, I thought threads like these were usually posted by new members, which inevitably turns into to an argument and then skydog locks the thread or it is deleted?

But I still answered the poll:rolleyes:

So does full version release of one, mean a patch or update release of the other?

[cartman]

I'm still holding out hope that the game is a merge of the TCY/FOF franchises into a single football game, ala CM/FM.

[dbd1963]

I picked FOF2006 in December, but it doesn't matter which he does, I'm buying it.

[JimboJ]

Do we know for a fact its going to be football?

[gottimd]

Do we know for a fact its going to be football?


Originally Posted by Solecismic Web Site
While the last two years have been more family-focused, with no new products seeing release, 2006 will mark several changes for the company. We will release a fully updated version of one of our football games this year.
I think so.

[Ben E Lou]

Is this a preemptive strike on the inevitable "When's the game coming out and what is it?" thread?Yeah, I thought threads like these were usually posted by new members, which inevitably turns into to an argument and then skydog locks the thread or it is deleted?

But I still answered the poll:rolleyes:

So does full version release of one, mean a patch or update release of the other?

Actually, I believe I post one of these every year.

That being said, I've NEVER understand the new-member-post-asking-about-the-new-game phenomena. I'd presume that a new member who is familiar with past versions of FOF got here by linking from solecismic.com, where there is information that none of them seem to know about. Strange.

[Ben E Lou]

Do we know for a fact its going to be football?
jbmagic, is that you???

Seriously, this post probably helps explain the new members posting this question over and over issue I mentioned in my last post.

[Ben E Lou]

early on...13 FOF votes, 13 TCY votes

[JeeberD]

I'm hoping for a new FOF but am afraid it's going to by TCY2...

[TroyF]

I'm hoping for a new FOF but am afraid it's going to by TCY2...

"

[albionmoonlight]

I'm thinking FOF6. I think that the more Jim sees multiplayer play out, the more he sees ways to make it really, really good. And he does not want to wait to do that.

I'm hoping, however, for TCY2

[albionmoonlight]

dola--

which is funny, because I like the pro game a lot better. But I guess that I think that TCY2 could really add some stuff since TCY1 came out.

[RedKingGold]

dola--

which is funny, because I like the pro game a lot better. But I guess that I think that TCY2 could really add some stuff since TCY1 came out.

Yeah, I think some people forget that the TCY has not undergone the morphing that FOF has. FOF has gone through the Fourth Edition and 2004 since TCY was released (what, like 5 years ago?)

If TCY2 were the new game, it would likely borrow of what Jim did in FOF 2004

Translation: Whatever game it is, it will have a better than average shot of being good.

[Capital]

I hope that its FOF6...if I want a college game than Bowl Bound is more than satisfactory. That being said, Jim's quote was numerous months ago and things could change. IMO, no one has to hold Jim, or Jim himself, to his quote. That was just his thoughts/opinions a while ago.

[Honolulu Blue]

I'm surprised SD did this poll, because I would expect him to be one of the first to know which game it's going to be (besides Jim & his crack 3-person beta team, of course).

Since our favorite game designer has moved on to Mr. Gindin's Dream House, I haven't much cared what he does. When the game comes out, I'll evaluate its merits and demerits then.

[Capital]

I'm surprised SD did this poll, because I would expect him to be one of the first to know which game it's going to be (besides Jim & his crack 3-person beta team, of course).

Since our favorite game designer has moved on to Mr. Gindin's Dream House, I haven't much cared what he does. When the game comes out, I'll evaluate its merits and demerits then.

I was also surprised that Skydog posted this poll. If anyone has inside info, it would be him. This was encouraging.

[sachmo71]

At this point, my only real interest is in the historical leagues, and things are running just fine. i can't really think of anything that I need in a new version that wouldn't probably have a poor trade-off in terms of existing data, so I would vote for "irrelevant".

[Icy]

I voted October 2006, FOF6 and i really hope it is, i need a pro game way more than a college one as BBCF is fun enought for me.

About Skydog starting this thread... i think and it's only a guess that he knows more than that he wants us to know, probably he knows that a release is comming and just wants some fun and to create a bit of hype in the community, to put us on a good mood. One of the proofs for me is that i haven't seen him voting, the other is that he usually hates this kind of threads so why to start one himself? did jbmagic wash Skydog's brain finally? Of course it's just a guess and he won't tell us what we would like to know.

[Ben E Lou]

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With Jim having updated TCY to version 1.3, what do you think the next Solecismic release is going to be?

NOTE: This is not what do you WANT the next release to be, but what do you THINK it will be.
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Sorry to deflate the conspiracy theorists.

[Bad-example]

I suspect Jim will surprise everyone by releasing both FOF6 and TCY 2 in November.

[kingnebwsu]

TCY 2 anytime this year would be fine with me...but I said October.

Honestly I thought he would have announced something already.

[wade moore]

I said FOF6 in November, I meant to say TCY2 in November ;).

[Barkeep49]

I said FOF6 in November, I meant to say TCY2 in November ;).
Way to have it both ways. That way if there is any November release you can claim you were right :).

[33sherman]

TCY2, pls.

:)

[Celeval]

I suspect Jim will surprise everyone by releasing both FOF6 and TCY 2 in November.

I suspect Jim will surprise everyone by using FOF200x and TCY200x rather than FOF6 and TCY2. :p

[JonInMiddleGA]

09-14-2004, 07:07 AM

I think that's the most striking thing in this whole thread so far.

[Barkeep49]

In early returns it seems as though FOF is outpolling TCY. So the question is, does this really reflect the wisdom of the crowd or are more people pulling for FOF?

[Ben E Lou]

I think that's the most striking thing in this whole thread so far.
I wake up within five minutes or so of the same time nearly every morning, without the use of an alarm clock. Why should *that* surprise you??? :p

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wake up within five minutes or so of the same time nearly every morning, without the use of an alarm clock. Why should *that* surprise you??? :p

{groan}

[Ben E Lou]

{groan}OK. Did I miss what you thought was striking?

[hoosierdude]

Wouldn't be great if Jim could stagger a TCY 2 and then a FOF update or new FOF release this season. That would knock everyone back on their heels.

:)

[Draft Dodger]

I wake up within five minutes or so of the same time nearly every morning, without the use of an alarm clock. Why should *that* surprise you??? :p

I wake up 10 minutes before my alarm clock goes off every morning to the sound of my son whispering "daddy" :mad:

[molson]

In early returns it seems as though FOF is outpolling TCY. So the question is, does this really reflect the wisdom of the crowd or are more people pulling for FOF?

The last FOF game is much, much closer to something that could stand out in the 2006/2007 text game market, while TCY would take a huge overhall. Considering how uninterested in programming games Jim seems to have been in recent years, it just seems like FOF would be the faster project, and best bet.

[RedKingGold]

The last FOF game is much, much closer to something that could stand out in the 2006/2007 text game market, while TCY would take a huge overhall. Considering how uninterested in programming games Jim seems to have been in recent years, it just seems like FOF would be the faster project, and best bet.

I wouldn't say he's been uninterested, but other more important things (i.e. raising a family, building a house, etc) have his life tied up. I applaud him for putting those interests ahead of us who "want a new game".

But seriously Jim, release the game.......anytime now........we're not waiting or anything...

:D

[Barkeep49]

I wouldn't say he's been uninterested, but other more important things (i.e. raising a family, building a house, etc) have his life tied up. I applaud him for putting those interests ahead of us who "want a new game".

But seriously Jim, release the game.......anytime now........we're not waiting or anything...

:D
I would say he's been uninterested. It's not intended as a criticism when I say it, and I don't think molson meant it as one either, but with all of the things you listed I do think that Jim simply has felt the need to be programming.

[st.cronin]

I would probably not buy a new FOF game. I would only buy TCY2.

[Bad-example]

I would probably not buy a new FOF game. I would only buy TCY2.

Same here. Except reversed.

[cuervo72]

I'm thinking FOF6. I think that the more Jim sees multiplayer play out, the more he sees ways to make it really, really good. And he does not want to wait to do that.

My thinking too. I think IHOF has given Jim a ton of insight into multiplayer and its potential.

[jbmagic]

I hope Jim improves the AI on single play too for the next FOF.

Also improve the AI on drafting too.

[Senator]

I hope Jim improves the AI on single play too for the next FOF.

Also improve the AI on drafting too.

[Izulde]

I picked November FOF6, because I think pro football is the bigger cash cow.

However, I'd strongly prefer to have a TCY2, my latest dynasty aside.

[Noop]

...

[Emiliano]

TCY2, November for me.

[MizzouRah]

I've played TCY off and on for years and I still see things in that game that makes me smile.

I don't care what he comes out with, probably one of the "few" games I'll buy without even thinking about it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

OK. Did I miss what you thought was striking?

I guess so. And I actually thought you got what I meant & was just kidding about it being the time thing, so we were really off.

What jumped out at me was the date on the previous poll, which sort of provided a stark reminder that the conversation is the same now as it was two years ago.

[EagleFan]

Actually, I believe I post one of these every year.


Reposting a discussion that you already posted? Sounds like someone needs his New Thread button taken away..... ;) :D :cool:

[MalcPow]

I'm guessing most likely November, and most likely a new TCY. For the same reasons others have mentioned (TCY's age, integrating some of FOF's advances) TCY seems to make the most sense. But I'll buy anything, and I'll probably even buy two copies so I can have it on my work computer. :)

[King of New York]

If the next release is TCY, and it merely brings TCY up to the level of FOF 2K4, I will be hugely bummed. When you look at the other text sims that have come out in the last two years, FOF 2k4 really starts to show its age. Does it make more sense to bring TCY up to a level that is already somewhat obsolete, or to bring FOF up to a cutting-edge level?

To be honest, I am far from certain that I'll ever see TCY2 during my lifetime.

[Godzilla Blitz]

If the next release is TCY, and it merely brings TCY up to the level of FOF 2K4, I will be hugely bummed. When you look at the other text sims that have come out in the last two years, FOF 2k4 really starts to show its age. Does it make more sense to bring TCY up to a level that is already somewhat obsolete, or to bring FOF up to a cutting-edge level?


Didn't I read somewhere here that Jim was concentrating on the interface/graphics for the upcoming game?

[Poli]

I wonder what Solecismic is going to vote. ;)

[Dutch]

It has been my perceptions that time spent working on graphics is time that should have been spent on gameplay and game engine issues.

I personally find that graphics are the kiss of death to text-sims. It's pretty, it gets folks excited, it gets people buying the game in pre-order fashion. And it usually results in bland/blah/ho-hum reviews. I don't buy games just to buy them. I buy them to play them.

I'm not saying it should be ugly, I just want functionality. With graphics as an enhancement. I have grown increasingly annoyed by the graphic first text-based games. Who gives a shit about graphics if the game engine underneath is buggy?

FOF2k4 gets more playing-time on my laptop than every other game combined. And on my office PC, it get's more playing time than all the other text-sims combined.

"Our goal is to provide cutting-edge sports simulations with clean, simple interfaces."

[CraigSca]

I don't mind the ability to customize logos, but to add graphics to a text-based game only succeeds in annoying the heck out of me.

Whatever he releases, I hope it's still on target for this year. While I would love a TCY2, I'll buy any Solecismic football game.

[sachmo71]

I don't mind the ability to customize logos, but to add graphics to a text-based game only succeeds in annoying the heck out of me.

Whatever he releases, I hope it's still on target for this year. While I would love a TCY2, I'll buy any Solecismic football game.

Even if they are on the level of Champman\EHM? I agree with you to a point, but I really believe the graphics of some of the SI games really help the immersion factor, with player pictures and the match engine. A little time spent on some eye candy might actually help sales of his game, perhaps.

[superbama]

It will be TCY 07

[RedKingGold]

I think Jim Jensen's next game will have him starting as a kicker in the GEFL.

That's what ardent enthusiest told me anyway...

[Poli]

Jim Jensen says it will be TCY 2.

[Poli]

Adapted from a Justin Harrell/Chuck Norris bit I saw a day or two ago.

--Life doesn't give Jime Jensen lemons. Life asks him which fruit he wants.

--Jim Jensen's calender goes from March 31st to April 2nd, no one fools with Jim Jensen.

--If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but Jim Jensen says its beef, then it's f'ing beef.

--Jim Jensen once won a game of Connect 4 in 3 moves.

--It's no use crying over spilled milk... Unless that was Jim Jensen's milk. Oh you are so screwed.

--Superman's only weakness is Kryptonite. Jim Jensen laughs at Superman for having a weakness.

--The truth may hurt, but it doesn't hurt as much as Jim Jensen.

--Jim Jensen once arm wrestled Superman. The stipulations were the loser had to wear his underwear on the outside of his pants.

--Jim Jensen wasn't born, he was unleashed.

--Jim Jensen once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now The Islands.

--"Simon Says" should be renamed "Jim Jensen Says" because if Jim Jensen says something then you better fricking do it.

--Every mathematical inequality officially ends with "< Jim Jensen"

--When you open a can of whoop-ass, Jim Jensen jumps out.

--When Batman is in trouble, he turns on the Jim Jensen signal.

--When Jim Jensen pees into the wind, the wind changes direction.

--You can lead a horse to water. Jim Jensen can make him drink.

--The Incredible Hulk once got so angry that it turned into Jim Jensen.

--Jim Jensen went out to the desert, and was bitten by a rattlesnake. The snake died.

--Your attraction to Jim Jensen in no way affects your sexual orientation.

--Jim Jensen tells Bob Barker when the price is right.

--It is a known fact that when Time magazine awards "The Man of Year*", there is fine print on the bottom of the cover that says, " *besides Jim Jensen."

--Jim Jensen doesn't make threats. He makes facts.

--Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Franklin D. Roosevelt never met Jim Jensen.

--When Jim Jensen turns on an Xbox the screen just says "You Win" and turns itself off again.

--G.I. Joe has Jim Jensen action figures.
and of course,

--Superman wears Jim Jensen pajamas.

[Samdari]

Sorry to deflate the conspiracy theorists.


I don't think people thinking you know more than the general public about Solecismic's release plans constitutes a conspiracy theory.

EDIT: Or how the fact that you posted a similar poll two years ago disproves that you do know something we don't.

[CraigSca]

Even if they are on the level of Champman\EHM? I agree with you to a point, but I really believe the graphics of some of the SI games really help the immersion factor, with player pictures and the match engine. A little time spent on some eye candy might actually help sales of his game, perhaps.

If the graphics are what makes EHM and ChampMan so slow, then no, I wouldn't want that type of immersion. If it takes 2 hours to run an FOF season (without any input from me) I will severely be disappointed.

[Ben E Lou]

I don't think people thinking you know more than the general public about Solecismic's release plans constitutes a conspiracy theory.No, but the questioning of my motives for starting the thread is somewhere in the ballpark.

[Samdari]

No, but the questioning of my motives for starting the thread is somewhere in the ballpark.

Well, personally, I think your motive is to feign lack of knowledge in the flavor and date of the upcoming release.

You and Jim are just going to have to live with the fact that you being in this position means people assume you are an unofficial part of Solecismic software. It's not personal, people would assume that no matter who ran this site. The worst part for you, if you (for some reason that eludes me) don't want that believed by this site's patrons is that denials only reinforce the concept.

[Ben E Lou]

I don't think people thinking you know more than the general public about Solecismic's release plans constitutes a conspiracy theory.

EDIT: Or how the fact that you posted a similar poll two years ago disproves that you do know something we don't.

Well, personally, I think your motive is to feign lack of knowledge in the flavor and date of the upcoming release.

You and Jim are just going to have to live with the fact that you being in this position means people assume you are an unofficial part of Solecismic software. It's not personal, people would assume that no matter who ran this site. The worst part for you, if you (for some reason that eludes me) don't want that believed by this site's patrons is that denials only reinforce the concept.That's just odd. I'll say it point-blank, then:

I know neither which game is coming next from Solecismic Software, nor the target date of release.

I strongly believe that it is a football game, and I strongly believe that it will be released in 2006, because I read the Solecismic web site. That's as clear as I know how to be.

EDIT: grammar error

[sachmo71]

If the graphics are what makes EHM and ChampMan so slow, then no, I wouldn't want that type of immersion. If it takes 2 hours to run an FOF season (without any input from me) I will severely be disappointed.

Nope, I'm pretty sure it's the match engine.

[Samdari]

That's just odd. I'll say it point-blank, then:

I know neither which game is coming next from Solecismic Software, nor the target date of release.

I strongly believe that it is a football game, and I strongly believe that it will be released in 2006, because I read the Solecismic web site. That's as clear as I know how to be.

EDIT: grammar error

Note, I am not saying you do. In fact, I don't particularly care.

But, I think many (most?) people here think you are more connected to Solecismic than the general public, because of your position here. Surely you must see that assumption as natural, or at least logical?

And I appreciate the denial. But, given Jim's penchant for secrecy, if you did have inside knowledge, you would be required to keep is secret, as well as the fact that you knew secret. Your denial accomplishes nothing. I see the denial as no information, but I am sure there are people here who twist it into a confirmation that you DO have inside information (a methinks thou dost protest too much kind of thing). It's really kind of pointless.

[Ben E Lou]

And I appreciate the denial. But, given Jim's penchant for secrecy, if you did have inside knowledge, you would be required to keep is secret, as well as the fact that you knew secret. Your denial accomplishes nothing. I see the denial as no information, but I am sure there are people here who twist it into a confirmation that you DO have inside information (a methinks thou dost protest too much kind of thing). It's really kind of pointless.I don't think people would think I was point-blank lying about it. If I knew anything, I would simply post nothing. Whatever, though, you're clearly just trying to be argumentative.

[Buccaneer]

But SkyDog will be the perfect candidate to beta test the game and of course, he will not tell you guys that he is even doing that (at first) nor any details about the testing (think NDA). Same for QuikSand. Only when Jim says go then information for the public will be released. This is a given and has been done before and will be done again.

[Samdari]

I don't think people would think I was point-blank lying about it. If I knew anything, I would simply post nothing. Whatever, though, you're clearly just trying to be argumentative.

Why do you think I am trying to be argumentative Ben? I am just trying to illustrate the pointlessness of your denials, not refute them. I am not arguing with you, just saying that you are pissing into the wind.

I'm not saying I think you know, just that I people are going to believe that, no matter how much you deny it.

EDIT: See Bucc's post for an illustration. :)

[RedKingGold]

I don't think people would think I was point-blank lying about it. If I knew anything, I would simply post nothing. Whatever, though, you're clearly just trying to be argumentative.

http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/929capture_afewgoodmen04.jpg

Skydog says that you cannot handle the truth!

[Buccaneer]

The thing to watch, however, is not the depth or timing of the secrecy but in the control of the negative vibes that will come out when the games is announced or released. Such negative vibes permeate every single game that has been released in the internet era and nowhere is it more evident than here at FOFC where we discuss a lot of new games (unlike most sites that focus on one game/series). Of course it's always a minority (except in the case of M-F) but there will be something else going on. There are some animosity built up at other sites against FOFC, perhaps just waiting to pounce on whatever Sol does. We have always let such things run its course but I do wonder if they will be more harsh this time? Look at the effort to pounce on and quash rumors when all game have rumors and false perceptions.

[VPI97]

There are some animosity built up at other sites against FOFC, perhaps just waiting to pounce on whatever Sol does.

True.

[Anthony]

The thing to watch, however, is not the depth or timing of the secrecy but in the control of the negative vibes that will come out when the games is announced or released. Such negative vibes permeate every single game that has been released in the internet era and nowhere is it more evident than here at FOFC where we discuss a lot of new games (unlike most sites that focus on one game/series). Of course it's always a minority (except in the case of M-F) but there will be something else going on. There are some animosity built up at other sites against FOFC, perhaps just waiting to pounce on whatever Sol does. We have always let such things run its course but I do wonder if they will be more harsh this time? Look at the effort to pounce on and quash rumors when all game have rumors and false perceptions.

did you just pull that out of your ass or do you honestly believe the shit you write? that was a complete garbage post. what other gems do you have on this topic?

[Ben E Lou]

I'm not certain what Buc is insinuating (and if he's been smoking something, based on the uncharacteristically horrid grammar in that post), but there's no chance that normal I-don't-like-this, I-like-this commentary will ever be quashed here. If someone gets ridiculously out of hand, like rexallsc and his saying "how could you play such a buggy game" about TCY over and over and over and over and over again, that person would be disciplined. It ain't rocket science.

[Bee]

Ben,

Reading your denial convinced me you know what's being released and when. Please PM me the info and I'll deny that I received anything.

Thanks,

B

[Ben E Lou]

did you just pull that out of your ass or do you honestly believe the shit you write? that was a complete garbage post. what other gems do you have on this topic?Heheheh. HA captured my *first* response to Buc's post very well there. Maybe HA is just a manifestation of my inner monologue, before I clean up and edit my thoughts for public consumption. :eek:

[RedKingGold]

Is Skydog bringing sexy back?

[Ben E Lou]

Ben,

Reading your denial convinced me you know what's being released and when. Please PM me the info and I'll deny that I received anything.

Thanks,

BEDIT: Nothing to see here.

[Anthony]

I'm not certain what Buc is insinuating (and if he's been smoking something, based on the uncharacteristically horrid grammar in that post), but there's no chance that normal I-don't-like-this, I-like-this commentary will ever be quashed here. If someone gets ridiculously out of hand, like rexallsc and his saying "how could you play such a buggy game" about TCY over and over and over and over and over again, that person would be disciplined. It ain't rocket science.

exactly.

i think in Bucc's fairy tale of a convoluted post he was trying to say that there will be a massive grass roots campaign to defecate on the next Solecismic game. how he came to that conclusion is beyond me. what, cuz of the MF thread? that thread stopped being about MF a long time ago and devolved into "how can i be the funniest person in this thread". even in that thread people were willing to give the game a shot, and someone even bought it and tested it out. FOFC may not be a lot of things, but at the very least there's an eagerness to talk about other games and if they got something good going for them we give props. to say that there's forums out there that are secretly plotting to get their revenge on FOFC or Solecismic, like we're all a bunch of fraternity forums looking to one-up the other is crap thinking. when has this been done before first of all, and where is the evidence that we should expect anything out of the oridnary? or is Bucc in-tune with the Force and can sense the mounting aggression?

[Anthony]

i just have a problem w/ people who post blatant speculation (no matter how zany it might be) as fact.

[RedKingGold]

i just have a problem w/ people who post blatant speculation (no matter how zany it might be) as fact.


Do we know he was stating it as fact, or just making speculation?

[rkmsuf]

Let me sum this thread up.

BOOOOORRRRRINNNNNNGGG

[RedKingGold]

Let me sum this thread up.

BOOOOORRRRRINNNNNNGGG

Did you know that when I juggle and reassemble the words in your name....I can spell Smurf!

Cool!

[rkmsuf]

Did you know that when I juggle and reassemble the words in your name....I can spell Smurf!

Cool!

What do you do with my k? Nothing dirty I hope.

[Ben E Lou]

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Solecismic Web Site
While the last two years have been more family-focused, with no new products seeing release, 2006 will mark several changes for the company. We will release a fully updated version of one of our football games this year.

</td> </tr> </tbody></table>



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</td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">27</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">17.76%</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="alt1" width="50%"> Some time in 2007, TCY2 </td> <td class="alt2" width="50%"> http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5-r.gif -Mojo Jojo- (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3103), BYU 14 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2054), Daimyo (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=191), Galaril (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3344), Greyroofoo (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3160), Hurst2112 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=41), jaygr (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3101), JeffW (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=4262), LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2909), MikeVic (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2713), Mota (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=761), mtolson (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=237), rockboy70 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3367), rowech (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=4760), RPI-Fan (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=479), Schmidty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=956), Senator (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=161), Sultan (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=1307), tanglewood (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3819), thrym (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=168)
</td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">20</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">13.16%</td></tr></tbody></table>
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[Toddzilla]

Hey, we've got 3 1/2 months before this turns into a Daivd Winter situation...

[rkmsuf]

Hey, we've got 3 1/2 months before this turns into a Daivd Winter situation...

I'm pulling for that so more Benny Hill music can be incorportated into the forum.

[Anthony]

i said 2007 as a reverse psychology trick, hoping jim would get pissed at all the people doubting he's releasing something this year and he'd release the game this month as a "i'll show those guys!" surprise.

i can hope.

[wade moore]

I was a bit thrown by Bucc's post, but I thought maybe one of the other text sim boards had animosity towards FOFC, since I don't read those.

The only two places I can think of are sportsdigs and M-F. And ifyou look at the activity there, I don't see how there could be any organized effort to make any sort of attack on Sol or FOFC when a game is announced. I have no doubt that there are people with the desire there, but just not the manpower.

[stevew]

Hey, we've got 3 1/2 months before this turns into a Daivd Winter situation...

Wouldn't that be more like 2-3 more years?

[Bee]

EDIT: Nothing to see here.

don't worry the secret is safe with me.

:D

Yes, conspiracy theories are great!

[gottimd]

Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY><TR> <TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset"> Originally Posted by Solecismic Web Site
While the last two years have been more family-focused, with no new products seeing release, 2006 will mark several changes for the company. We will release a fully updated version of one of our football games this year.




</TD> </TR> </TBODY></TABLE>


http://www.benelou.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif (http://www.benelou.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi???)

So I guess you are saying it is "set in stone" since it is printed on the internets? No unforeseen delay could possibly happen? At the stroke of midnight, if the game hasn't been released, the world ends because Jim said it will be released this year.

[Gallifrey]

I voted TCY2 in November.

[wade moore]

...the internets...

Threadjack...

This is a term I use jokingly on a regular basis... anyone know the origin?

[wade moore]

Threadjack...

This is a term I use jokingly on a regular basis... anyone know the origin?

Look on wikipedia moron...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_%28colloquialism%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_internets)

[gottimd]

Look on wikipedia moron...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_%28colloquialism%29

You beat me to it, but just to boost threadcount

Hey Wade,

Look on wikipedia moron...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_%28colloquialism%29

[wade moore]

You beat me to it, but just to boost threadcount

Hey Wade,

Look on wikipedia moron...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_%28colloquialism%29

i deserve that. Anyone that asks a question like that and doesn't search on wiki first deserves to be called a moron...

twice.

[rkmsuf]

i deserve that. Anyone that asks a question like that and doesn't search on wiki first deserves to be called a moron...

twice.

don't be hard on self

he cause problems

[Toddzilla]

Can someone post an animated gif of GWB at the debate saying Internets with a Benny Hill music bed?

[Buccaneer]

I got to remember not to post right before I have to leave for work without editing or at least, proof-read. However it was written, one could not conclude anything that 1) was factual since it's all speculation or 2) assume there will be a massive grassroots efforts. There will, however, be some posts saying that the game is boring or unplayable or stupid just like we see in every single review/impression of all of the games here. I was just commenting on the nature of internet gaming forums and the hype and/or high expectation that goes with the territory. It seems that the critical time is right after release where word of mouth can make or break some sales. Why do you think Jim and Arlie do not play the hype game anymore?

[Buccaneer]

Before anyone stupidly speculate, for the past couple of years, I have strongly advocated the philosophy of: if you don't like the game or it does not meet your expectations, shut up and move on to something else. The ravings and rantings about "unplayable" games here really are annoying.

[jbmagic]

Before anyone stupidly speculate, for the past couple of years, I have strongly advocated the philosophy of: if you don't like the game or it does not meet your expectations, shut up and move on to something else. The ravings and rantings about "unplayable" games here really are annoying.

Sometimes its good to speak up.

If you don't they might not think there anything wrong with the game.

I think developer like to hear the negatives also about the game. If everyone is quiet, nothing will get improve or fix.

[Buccaneer]

Only if it's intelligent and original instead of copying and pasting the same shit over and over and over.

[CraigSca]

I'm not sure why people are voting for 2007. Didn't Jim say he'd have an announcement before the end of the year, and didn't he also say he doesn't make an announcement until the game is finished?

[gottimd]

I'm not sure why people are voting for 2007. Didn't Jim say he'd have an announcement before the end of the year, and didn't he also say he doesn't make an announcement until the game is finished?

Delays? Things don't always come out as scheduled/planned and (sorry if I speak for all who have voted 2007) I just have a feeling it will be bumped back.

Its also a way to be pleasantly surprised. Rather than believe it will be out in the next month and it doesn't and get more anxious, I choose to believe in my mind that it will be out in 2007. That way if it comes out earlier, it will be a nice gift for the holidays. Kind of like reverse psychology on myself:D

I still think its Front Office Curling.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://www.benelou.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif (http://www.benelou.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi???)

I can't tell for sure but that looks like a "confused" type smiley.
Or an "umm ..." smiley.

If so, I figure that there's a certain percentage of people who just don't believe they're going to see a game this calendar year. And, as we sorta discussed earlier, after speculating for 2 years without a release, that seems like a pretty reasonable guess.

Personally, I think a game is finished & has been for at least a while, it's just being held up to hit a release targeted for X date (for whatever reason). But I can certainly understand people having their doubts at this point too.

[Noop]

Pfft...

[Toddzilla]

Well lets put it this way...has Jim ever not lived up to his word re: release dates and future schedules?

[jbmagic]

Skydog made this damn post because he knows that the game is coming very soon. He has insights and information from Jim already.

Skydog can deny it all he wants.

We were not born yesterday.

[Flasch186]

or today for that matter...

[st.cronin]

lol

[Izulde]

I got to remember not to post right before I have to leave for work without editing or at least, proof-read. However it was written, one could not conclude anything that 1) was factual since it's all speculation or 2) assume there will be a massive grassroots efforts. There will, however, be some posts saying that the game is boring or unplayable or stupid just like we see in every single review/impression of all of the games here. I was just commenting on the nature of internet gaming forums and the hype and/or high expectation that goes with the territory. It seems that the critical time is right after release where word of mouth can make or break some sales. Why do you think Jim and Arlie do not play the hype game anymore?

While I can understand not hyping a game, there's a difference in Jim and Arlie that most developers don't have in that they have an established record of games and/or franchises and a sizeable core fanbase.

For a new developer, or one who's pedigree isn't established, hype is necessary to build brand image and awareness before the game releases.

[sachmo71]

Skydog made this damn post because he knows that the game is coming very soon. He has insights and information from Jim already.

Skydog can deny it all he wants.

We were not born yesterday.

who's we?

[Hurst2112]

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Solecismic Web Site
While the last two years have been more family-focused, with no new products seeing release, 2006 will mark several changes for the company. We will release a fully updated version of one of our football games this year.

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</td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">27</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">17.76%</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="alt1" width="50%"> Some time in 2007, TCY2 </td> <td class="alt2" width="50%"> http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/polls/bar5-r.gif -Mojo Jojo- (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3103), BYU 14 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2054), Daimyo (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=191), Galaril (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3344), Greyroofoo (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3160), Hurst2112 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=41), jaygr (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3101), JeffW (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=4262), LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2909), MikeVic (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2713), Mota (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=761), mtolson (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=237), rockboy70 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3367), rowech (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=4760), RPI-Fan (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=479), Schmidty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=956), Senator (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=161), Sultan (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=1307), tanglewood (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=3819), thrym (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=168)
</td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">20</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">13.16%</td></tr></tbody></table>
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Question my reason all you want. I have little faith in Jim meeting his 2006 mark. Everything on the internet isn't gospel.

That being said, I will purchase the game before most of you. ;)

[Ben E Lou]

Skydog made this damn post because he knows that the game is coming very soon. He has insights and information from Jim already.

Skydog can deny it all he wants.

We were not born yesterday.Are you calling me a liar, or are you just a bigger idiot than I already thought you were?

[Poli]

who's we?
We the people of the United States of America.:)

[Bee]

We the people of the United States of America.:)

Well then...jbmagic is wrong. I'm sure some were born yesterday.

[wade moore]

Are you calling me a liar, or are you just a bigger idiot than I already thought you were?

jbmagic is beta tester, use reverse sykology.

[Ben E Lou]

jbmagic is beta tester, use reverse sykology.Can you imagine the collaborative efforts of Jim and jbmagic on the manual? The possibilities stagger the mind:

Zone defense say that pass defenders is responsible for there area of the field and not cover a specific receiver.

2-deep zone mean there only two zone far downfield (usually covered by the safeties), the rest of the zone start at the line of scrimmage.

4-deep zone mean there four zones downfield.

you want to know what better, 2 deep zone, 3 deep zone or 4 deep zone?

that for you to figure out

thanks

[jamesUMD]

I also can't see it coming out this year regardless of the website. Jim may have had great intentions to have it out this year when he wrote that and maybe life has gotten in the way.

Of course it also could be that there has been so little buzz in recent months/year/decades :D that may be I have both forgotten Jim's M.O., and the anticipation I felt in the past when I knew there was a new version forthcoming.

[Icy]

jbmagic is beta tester, use reverse sykology.

At least the AI would be great.

[stevew]

If he's planning on moving to Michigan early next year, I would think he would release a game within the next 2 months, and then follow with at least one or two patches before he moves. So I would think Oct/Nov.

[wade moore]

I also can't see it coming out this year regardless of the website. Jim may have had great intentions to have it out this year when he wrote that and maybe life has gotten in the way.

Of course it also could be that there has been so little buzz in recent months/year/decades :D that may be I have both forgotten Jim's M.O., and the anticipation I felt in the past when I knew there was a new version forthcoming.

This is not meant to be an attack on jamesUMD, but...

I find it amazing the number of people that think Jim is somehow being dishonest or disengenuous when he says there will be an update before the end of the year. Like they have some secret insight or that Jim has renigged on deadlines in the past.

To my knowledge, Jim has always delivered when (or very close to when?) he said he would. I have no doubt that if he says there will be something by the end of the year, that there will be something by the end of the year. If this was Daivd Winter or Blizzard or some other company that is known for moving dates, ok... but to my knowledge Jim has not done this.

[wade moore]

If he's planning on moving to Michigan early next year, I would think he would release a game within the next 2 months, and then follow with at least one or two patches before he moves. So I would think Oct/Nov.

This is a REALLY logical train of thought to me.

[stevew]

This is a REALLY logical train of thought to me.

Although, "early next year" could mean April or May, it's really hard to say. I just know if I was going to undertake something like a pretty large scale move that I would want to have all my ducks in a row, have my product pretty well finished at that point.

Unless the codename for the next product is Maximum Front Office. ;)

[stevew]

Can you imagine the collaborative efforts of Jim and jbmagic on the manual? The possibilities stagger the mind:

Roffle.

[gottimd]

I just know if I was going to undertake something like a pretty large scale move that I would want to have all my ducks in a row, have my product pretty well finished at that point.

What if the move and family responsibilities were more than you initially expected and over time you realized you had to put more effort into those than the product you are developing? Especially if you knew that if you released it months after you intially planned, the same "market" and consumers were likely to buy the product?

I think we are (ok, I am) reading way too much into comments. Can I change my vote to a release year in 1993?

[Bee]

This is not meant to be an attack on jamesUMD, but...

I find it amazing the number of people that think Jim is somehow being dishonest or disengenuous when he says there will be an update before the end of the year. Like they have some secret insight or that Jim has renigged on deadlines in the past.

To my knowledge, Jim has always delivered when (or very close to when?) he said he would. I have no doubt that if he says there will be something by the end of the year, that there will be something by the end of the year. If this was Daivd Winter or Blizzard or some other company that is known for moving dates, ok... but to my knowledge Jim has not done this.

I don't think anyone feels Jim is being dishonest, but delays happen all the time and I'd think it's especially difficult for a one man developer who has a lot of other things going on in his life. I know I certainly am not going to hold Jim to a higher standard than everyone else in the industry. The statement that everyone seems to be throwing around has been on the website for a long time and we all know Jim doesn't give out much info nor does he update his website all that often so if a delay had happened it's very possible that info would not have leaked out. I think a lot of folks are just trying to temper their expectations especially after last year's "announcement" that many expected to be about a game release and were disappointed. In the end, it doesn't really matter to me when his next game gets released, I'll most likely buy it.

[rkmsuf]

other than the appearance of jbmagic this thread is dorky even by fofc standards

[sachmo71]

We the people of the United States of America.:)

And in my mind, I hear Schoolhouse Rock...

"We the people, in order to form a more pefect union, establish justice and ensure domestic traquility...(tranquility)"

[Pumpy Tudors]

jbmagic is beta tester, use reverse sykology.
I was rolling until I saw that you'd typed "sykology" instead of "skyology." "Skyology" would've been funnier to me. :(

[wade moore]

I was rolling until I saw that you'd typed "sykology" instead of "skyology." "Skyology" would've been funnier to me. :(

You are correct, my jbonics is not as pollished as yours... :(

[Samdari]

This is not meant to be an attack on jamesUMD, but...

I find it amazing the number of people that think Jim is somehow being dishonest or disengenuous when he says there will be an update before the end of the year. Like they have some secret insight or that Jim has renigged on deadlines in the past.

To my knowledge, Jim has always delivered when (or very close to when?) he said he would. I have no doubt that if he says there will be something by the end of the year, that there will be something by the end of the year. If this was Daivd Winter or Blizzard or some other company that is known for moving dates, ok... but to my knowledge Jim has not done this.

I think that it has been rare in the past that Jim has given any sort of long term date for a release. When he has said, the game is ready, It'll be out in two days, he has delivered. I think there was one blurb on his website in the past indicating that a new game would be out in a certain year, (2004?, 2005?) the only time I remember a long term projection from him, and later announced he had abandoned it.

I think it is possible to have doubts about a release being ready without doubting Jim's honesty. We all know that putting long term dates on huge projects is largely speculative, and that often things pop up to delay them and things often take longer than we think. The only things we know for sure is that Jim is working on an update to at least one of his franchises and that he won't release it until it meets his high standards for quality. If it doesn't meet them by the end of the year, it won't be released, of that I am confident.

I have personally given up waiting with baited breath for an announcement. It'll be released when its released, and I'll buy TCY on release day, and FOF6 if and when IHOF requires the upgrade, and I'm sure I'll consider the purchase worthwhile. But, I won't be upset if its March.

[RedKingGold]

I have personally given up waiting with baited breath for an announcement. It'll be released when its released, and I'll buy TCY on release day, and FOF6 if and when GEFL requires the upgrade, and I'm sure I'll consider the purchase worthwhile. But, I won't be upset if its March.

I second (switched IHOF w/ GEFL)

[hoosierdude]

jbmagic is beta tester, use reverse sykology.

At least the AI would be great.


Think about it. The AI would be great, but would keep asking other's opinions about itself and other features in the game!


Now THAT is customer service. :D

[jamesUMD]

Ouch. I never said that Jim was being dishonest.... I said that he may have thought that the game would be ready by the end of the year and whether it be his kid, moving, revisions to FOF6 ;), or a myriad of other things that possibly could have come up, just had to push it back.

I would be excited to no end if a game comes out before year end, but I just don't feel confident. That confidence is not based on any hard facts at all, just my gut feeling.

Many people, definitely myself included, make proclamations that they have perfect intentions on fulfilling by a certain date, that just don't happen for whatever reason (diets, new job, paying off credit cards, taking a vacation).

[stevew]

Can someone post an animated gif of GWB at the debate saying Internets with a Benny Hill music bed?

http://rumorsontheinternets.ytmnd.com/

[Toddzilla]

http://rumorsontheinternets.ytmnd.com/
You have got to be motherfucking kidding me...:D :D :D :D :D

[Butter]

This is just SkyDog's passive-aggressive way of prodding Jim to release it now.

[wade moore]

http://rumorsontheinternets.ytmnd.com/

Gold.

[Ben E Lou]

Only 10 people got it right:

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</td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">10</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">5.85%</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Raiders Army]

w00t. I'm a broken clock!

[CraigSca]

Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but this is on Jim's site:

"We will move to the new house at the beginning of the year, and then I will begin work on the next game, most likely an update of The College Years, though if there is significant publisher interest in the professional game, I will continue in that direction."

[cthomer5000]

A winner is me.

[gottimd]

I still think it is TCY2:eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[st.cronin]

I still think it is TCY2:eek: :eek: :eek: :D

An optimist, eh?

[Warhammer]

I guess we know what Gindin's October surprise is!

[Capital]

I'm one of the 5.8% that got it right...woot!!

[KJDelaney]

It is too bad, TCY needed an "upgrade" a hell of a lot more than FOF.

[Anthony]

you all have me to thank. my reverse psychology caused Jim to *want* to release the game this year as a way to stick it to me.

[Raiders Army]

So, it's only about an 1 hour and 20 minutes until the game is released then?

[Deattribution]

So, it's only about an 1 hour and 20 minutes until the game is released then?

I was wondering the same thing. I believe 04 was release mid day though, wasn't it? (fuzzy memory)

[Ben E Lou]

I was wondering the same thing. I believe 04 was release mid day though, wasn't it? (fuzzy memory)no...evening...around 9pm, i think.

[gottimd]

Damn, Ill be plastered by then. I was hoping to get a glimpse tomorrow of the HTML output.

Release the hounds!

[JeeberD]

Crap...I was hoping to get some seasons in before I take off for Tulsa at 10:30 am.

[Ben E Lou]

Ummmmm...just because the last release was in the evening doesn't mean this one will be...

[DaddyTorgo]

Ummmmm...just because the last release was in the evening doesn't mean this one will be...


what he said. i plan on checking the website constantly till i go to bed around like 3am.

[Solecismic]

Don't wait up. It'll be tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon. ViaTech has to set up the storefront.

[DaddyTorgo]

Don't wait up. It'll be tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon. ViaTech has to set up the storefront.


oh i won't wait up for that. that's just my normal bedtime considering the ~4 hours of sleep i need to function for work (and even then that'll be 5 hours). But thanks for narrowing it down! :D

and congrats! are we going to be seeing more integration of more stuff from FootballOutsiders and advertising for the game over there btw?

[SackAttack]

Don't wait up. It'll be tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon. ViaTech has to set up the storefront.

Augh. I don't get home from work tomorrow 'til 6.

That's gonna be one long day of waiting.

[st.cronin]

It is too bad, TCY needed an "upgrade" a hell of a lot more than FOF.

Agreed. Arles gains a customer with this release.

[jbmagic]

Agreed. Arles gains a customer with this release.

I would not be surprise if TCY 2 is just around the corner too.

[wade moore]

You can please some some of the people all of the time, you can please many of the people most of the time, you can never please all of the people all of the time.

(I tried, someone else probably would have done better)

[Dutch]

you all have me to thank. my reverse psychology caused Jim to *want* to release the game this year as a way to stick it to me.


Maybe, but of course, if you got your way this would have just been an announcement that the game will be released in three years, so start getting hyped now. :)