Lloyd Carr is overrated. Fire him NOW!!!

[M GO BLUE!!!]

His teams never show up in the big games.

He will never win at Notre Dame.

He must go NOW!!!

:D

[k0ruptr]

word

[DaddyTorgo]

didn't i just see they were whupping ND 40-14 ? Oh wait...sarcasm.

[st.cronin]

Ohio State-Michigan shaping up as a HUGE game.

[Honolulu_Blue]

If you believe Mike Martz the Lions were only "inches" away from scoring 40 points against the Seahawks last week, so if Warner et al. can fine tune the offense just a weeee-bit, look out.

[Oilers9911]

Michigan played well but ND were total garbage.

[Schmidty]

Who cares.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Who cares.

I do. And that's all that really matters, no?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Who cares.

"

[Honolulu_Blue]

"

Go back to your Division I-AA thread.

Georgia Tech versus Troy, indeed... :rolleyes:

[JonInMiddleGA]

Go back to your Division I-AA thread.
Georgia Tech versus Troy, indeed... :rolleyes:

Hey, I got no control over who the idiots in the athletic office schedule ;)

[GrantDawg]

Michigan Wolverines: "I'm not dead yet."

[Toddzilla]

Good lord, are the stupid fucking pollsters EVER going to stop drinking the Notre Dame kool-aid? Anyone in their right mind who thinks ND was a top-5 team needs to have thier head examined.

[JPhillips]

As an Ohio State fan, I would hate to see the Wolverines lose the Earl Bruce of the lower peninsula.

[Greyroofoo]

As a Michigan fan, I would love to see an undefeated Ohio State play an undefeated Michigan.

[Passacaglia]

I would love to see a season where Ohio State is ranked #1 and Notre Dame is ranked #3 in preseason, followed by Michigan winning it all.

[hoopsguy]

As an Illinois fan, and knowing that our team is not beating many teams in the Big Ten, I love that Michigan keeps Carr around year after year.

Sure he has won a title. Sure he wins his fair share of games. And his recruiting classes are usually quite good. But my impression is that Ohio State has been gaining ground on Michigan since Tressel came on board. And that Michigan, with a really top-level coach, could be right with USC in the top 3-5 every year instead finding ways to lose 1-2 more games per year than they should.

[Greyroofoo]

if you fire carr, who would you replace him with?

[Blade6119]

As an Illinois fan, and knowing that our team is not beating many teams in the Big Ten, I love that Michigan keeps Carr around year after year.

Sure he has won a title. Sure he wins his fair share of games. And his recruiting classes are usually quite good. But my impression is that Ohio State has been gaining ground on Michigan since Tressel came on board. And that Michigan, with a really top-level coach, could be right with USC in the top 3-5 every year instead finding ways to lose 1-2 more games per year than they should.

Mizzou and illinois should start playing again every year..i miss those games...mizzou beating ole miss means nothing to me except a W. After basketball season, i could always fall back on that football win. Now all my illinois fans have all the firepower

[hoopsguy]

Grey, I was thinking about that today - what are coaches that are at good jobs now that would leave them for a great job? Who would inspire a knee-jerk "oh crap!" from me if Michigan hired them.

Bellotti (sp?) at Oregon was one name that came to mind. But I'm not sure you have to go steal a high-major coach to get good results. Tressel at Ohio State, Brown at Texas (did UNC qualify as high-major when they snagged Brown? Record was good but not exactly a tradition of excellence), and Carroll at USC have all had very good results.

[hoopsguy]

Although I'm pretty sure that today is not a day that most Michigan fans are really going to think long and hard about Lloyd Carr replacements. Very good win for them this afternoon.

[Greyroofoo]

Grey, I was thinking about that today - what are coaches that are at good jobs now that would leave them for a great job? Who would inspire a knee-jerk "oh crap!" from me if Michigan hired them.

Bellotti (sp?) at Oregon was one name that came to mind. But I'm not sure you have to go steal a high-major coach to get good results. Tressel at Ohio State, Brown at Texas (did UNC qualify as high-major when they snagged Brown? Record was good but not exactly a tradition of excellence), and Carroll at USC have all had very good results.

wow, just imagine Tressel leaving Ohio State to go to Michigan :eek:

[DeToxRox]

When Carr leaves, which no matter what the circumstances are, it'll be his "retirement" the most logical option is Les Myles out of LSU.

[Greyroofoo]

When Carr leaves, which no matter what the circumstances are, it'll be his "retirement" the most logical option is Les Myles out of LSU.

bah, after the LSU/Auburn game, that leaves a sour taste in my mouth

[King of New York]

After that loss, Notre Dame might drop down as low as 5th or 6th in the National Polls ;););)

[hoopsguy]

Three more games like that and Brady Quinn may not win the Heisman ;) ;) ;)

[M GO BLUE!!!]

wow, just imagine Tressel leaving Ohio State to go to Michigan :eek:

Won't happen. Even if somehow it did, he would be a catastophic failure in Ann Arbor. Michigan actually has academic standards.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I would love to see a season where Ohio State is ranked #1 and Notre Dame is ranked #3 in preseason, followed by Michigan winning it all.

word.

[RendeR]

Michigan actually has academic standards.


Since when?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Since when?

Lamest. Come back. Ever.

[Honolulu_Blue]

wow, just imagine Tressel leaving Ohio State to go to Michigan :eek:

I wouldn't want him. The guy is an utter slimeball.

[cschex]

When Carr leaves, which no matter what the circumstances are, it'll be his "retirement" the most logical option is Les Myles out of LSU.

Please, you are welcome to him. He was rather underwhelming at OSU (living in Big XII country enables me to see most of there games) and he's done nothing to change that opinion during his first year + with the Tigers. I want us to take another shot at Booby Petrino, or maybe even go outside of the box and give Will Muschamp his first shot at a head coaching gig.

[HerRealName]

Won't happen. Even if somehow it did, he would be a catastophic failure in Ann Arbor. Michigan actually has academic standards.

This is quite possibly the most uninformed statement ever written on this board.

HINT: Ohio State has HIGHER academic standards than Michigan for football players.

[HerRealName]

I wouldn't want him. The guy is an utter slimeball.

You may have M Go Blue beat. I understand how you would have this perception based on ESPN's trashing of Ohio State but Tressel is one hell of an amazing person.

[Honolulu_Blue]

This is quite possibly the most uninformed statement ever written on this board.

HINT: Ohio State has HIGHER academic standards than Michigan for football players.

Two words: Andy. Katzenmoyer.

End of.

[Honolulu_Blue]

You may have M Go Blue beat. I understand how you would have this perception based on ESPN's trashing of Ohio State but Tressel is one hell of an amazing person.

Amazingly slimey. ;)

The OSU football program has reeked under a cloud of suspicion ever since that vest-wearing tube took over.

Where are you, Mr. Cooper? Our University turns its lonely eyes to you...

[Greyroofoo]

This is quite possibly the most uninformed statement ever written on this board.

HINT: Ohio State has HIGHER academic standards than Michigan for football players.


The standards at Ohio Skate go as high as Maurice Clarret in my opinion

[HerRealName]

The standards at Ohio Skate go as high as Maurice Clarret in my opinion

Here are just a couple of players of the top of my head that would have gone to Ohio State but did not meet OSU's academic standards. Some of these players even signed a LOI with Oho State.

Dennis Kennedy - Akron, he scored the 3 TDs against NC State
DaJuan Morgan - NC State
Freddie Lennix - Cincinnati
Jeff Cumberland - Illinois
Ernie Wheelwright - Minnesota
Derrell Johnson - Iowa

Also off the top of my head, you need to take a look at the academic profiles of Tim Jamison and Marques Slocum on the Michigan side. Apparently, you would be surprised.

Michigan does not have higher standards than the minimum that the NCAA requires.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The standards at Ohio Skate go as high as Maurice Clarret in my opinion

Indeed. There is "theory" and then there is "application." They can talk the talk, but they don't appear to be walking the walk.

[HerRealName]

Tell me about Larry Harrison.

[DeToxRox]

2005 Graduation Rates

Michigan: 69 %
Ohio State: 54 %

Say what you will about what the graduation rate truly means, but year in and year out Michigan is always way ahead of Ohio State. Don't feed the BS line about OSU players leaving early either, because it happens on both sides of the fence. Hell, neither # is where the teams ought to be, but 15% seems like a big slide to me.

But anyway, there is no point in going on in this pissing contest. Michigan hates Ohio State, Ohio State hates Michigan, thus the best rivalry in sports and I'd rather not see logic in this to bring me towards giving OSU credit, it'd take some of the fun away.

So Ohio State fans are still arrogant drunks who always have to fight because they have lived most of their lives in Ohio, and even I sympathize with how depressing that has to be. I'd rather live in India then Columbus, at least then you know why it smells so putrid and the people there look that way because well, there is nothing there for 'em.

[DeToxRox]

Tell me about Larry Harrison.

He flashed people at parties.

Tell me about Maurice Clarett?

I don't have much time, but the Mob. Improper Benefits. Having work done for him. Yawn. Yawn. Yawn.

I lied -- I had to respond once more.

It's easy to have higher academic standards when your athletes don't do the work.

[HerRealName]

Enjoy Detroit, God knows no one else will.

[HerRealName]

He flashed people at parties.

Tell me about Maurice Clarett?

I don't have much time, but the Mob. Improper Benefits. Having work done for him. Yawn. Yawn. Yawn.

I lied -- I had to respond once more.

It's easy to have higher academic standards when your athletes don't do the work.

All the Clarett legal problems happened after he left school. It has nothing to do with Ohio State anymore than the Unibomber had anything to do with Michigan.

Why are almost all of your players in the College of Literature, Science and the Arts or in the Division of Kinesiology? Are they jock majors or something?

[HerRealName]

By the way, I think I've revealed on this board before that my first cousin played at Ohio State a couple years ago. I don't think I've ever revealed that one of my best friends played at Michigan. Both programs run things the right way but Michigan has their quirks just like Ohio State does.

[Butter]

Not to get dragged into the amusing OSU-UM flame war, but I think the first 3 weeks of the season clearly shows 2 things:

The Big Ten outside of OSU and UM is AWFUL.
Notre Dame was again the beneficiary of a mass marketing campaign. They're barely a top-25 caliber team.

[NoMyths]

Not to get dragged into the amusing OSU-UM flame war, but I think the first 3 weeks of the season clearly shows 2 things:

The Big Ten outside of OSU and UM is AWFUL.And here I could have sworn Purdue's offense was looking fearsome. Guess I got the scores mixed up.

[Greyroofoo]

I feel its necessary to bring this gem up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xV8wURx5hs&mode=related&search=

I know its just one fan though.

[DaddyTorgo]

2005 Graduation Rates

Michigan: 69 %
Ohio State: 54 %

Say what you will about what the graduation rate truly means, but year in and year out Michigan is always way ahead of Ohio State. Don't feed the BS line about OSU players leaving early either, because it happens on both sides of the fence. Hell, neither # is where the teams ought to be, but 15% seems like a big slide to me.

But anyway, there is no point in going on in this pissing contest. Michigan hates Ohio State, Ohio State hates Michigan, thus the best rivalry in sports and I'd rather not see logic in this to bring me towards giving OSU credit, it'd take some of the fun away.

So Ohio State fans are still arrogant drunks who always have to fight because they have lived most of their lives in Ohio, and even I sympathize with how depressing that has to be. I'd rather live in India then Columbus, at least then you know why it smells so putrid and the people there look that way because well, there is nothing there for 'em.

course neither of those hold a candle to BC who are 2nd only to (one of the service academies I forget which one) in 1-A. And still manage to make bowl games every year.

[timmynausea]

Plus BC had that awesome gambling scandal.

[st.cronin]

All the Clarett legal problems happened after he left school.


I have no horse in this race, but I am fairly sure this is not true. He left school partly BECAUSE of his legal problems, is the way I remember it.

[Mantle2600]

I would love to see a season where Ohio State is ranked #1 and Notre Dame is ranked #3 in preseason, followed by Michigan winning it all.

too bad it will not happen

[ice4277]

The Big Ten outside of OSU and UM is AWFUL.


There is no reason OSU or UM should possibly lose to a Big Ten school (outside of each other) this season.

[Izulde]

Wisconsin still has a decent squad.

[Butter]

OK, let's recap for those of you talking about Purdue and Wisconsin and whatever other crap you're on about:

Purdue gave up 35 to Indiana State, and it was as close as 5 points until late in the 3rd quarter. They will outscore the weak teams in the Big Ten, but anybody with a running game will dominate them.

Wisconsin was even with San Diego State 0-0 at the half. I'll give UW a pass though, since that is their MO against weak teams at Camp Randall.

Indiana lost to Southern Illinois this weekend.

Northwestern's coach died and they lost by 17 at home to New Hampshire.

Minnesota lost Maroney and lost to Cal by 25, but beat up on their otherwise typically soft schedule. They'll be 6-5 again.

Illinois lost at home to Syracuse and might not have a guy on the whole team who can run a sub 5-second 40 yd. dash. They look like they're running in molasses out there.

Penn State's defense isn't what they were last year, and their offense is mediocre at best.

Michigan State had to hold their breath at home against Idaho. I can't believe someone said that Stanton is a legitimate pro prospect. Either he's not and I'm right, or he is and the rest of the team is AWFUL.

And Iowa... well, they might be the only other legitimate top 25 Big Ten team, but they're definitely not any higher than 20. Needed OT at Syracuse, but that was with their backup QB, so they haven't looked awful yet.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Not to get dragged into the amusing OSU-UM flame war.

Yo mama wears combat boots.

OK, let's recap for those of you talking about Purdue and Wisconsin and whatever other crap you're on about:

Purdue gave up 35 to Indiana State, and it was as close as 5 points until late in the 3rd quarter. They will outscore the weak teams in the Big Ten, but anybody with a running game will dominate them.

Wisconsin was even with San Diego State 0-0 at the half. I'll give UW a pass though, since that is their MO against weak teams at Camp Randall.

Indiana lost to Southern Illinois this weekend.

Northwestern's coach died and they lost by 17 at home to New Hampshire.

Minnesota lost Maroney and lost to Cal by 25, but beat up on their otherwise typically soft schedule. They'll be 6-5 again.

Illinois lost at home to Syracuse and might not have a guy on the whole team who can run a sub 5-second 40 yd. dash. They look like they're running in molasses out there.

Penn State's defense isn't what they were last year, and their offense is mediocre at best.

Michigan State had to hold their breath at home against Idaho. I can't believe someone said that Stanton is a legitimate pro prospect. Either he's not and I'm right, or he is and the rest of the team is AWFUL.

And Iowa... well, they might be the only other legitimate top 25 Big Ten team, but they're definitely not any higher than 20. Needed OT at Syracuse, but that was with their backup QB, so they haven't looked awful yet.

Agreed on everything, except the Stanton thing, but then again any QB who can run and has an even decent arm always looks like a legitimate pro prospect against Michigan.

[Butter]

I should also note that I do think that Ohio State will run the table and finish 12-0, but I could see someone beating them as well, a la 1998 at home against unheralded Michigan State when the Joe Germaine led Bucks were #1. Tressel is a fine coach, but his teams have never done well on the road. Iowa worries me a bit.

[TroyF]

Butter,

You are WAY off on Stanton. He's got prototypical size, solid running ability, is accurate, and has a strong arm.

He's the second best senior QB (behind Quinn, and I'm not so sure he won't catch him by the time it's all said and done)

I'd figure you would rate him better. He simply torched Ohio State last year. Ohio State won the football game because of their teams superior talent, but I believe MSU scored more points at OSU than anyone has in the last five or six years. And those points were all in the context of the game (first three quarters) without the assistence of any other future day one NFL pick.

Stanton is a player.

[Butter]

So, is he just inconsistent, or is his team's consistently poor play a result of a subpar supporting cast?

[TroyF]

So, is he just inconsistent, or is his team's consistently poor play a result of a subpar supporting cast?

Poor supporting cast.

HE is not inconsistent. Far from it actually. He completes over 2/3 of his passes.

He had two poor games last year. One was at Northwestern and the other was at the end of the year against Penn St. Look at his numbers in the other big games he played last year. It's really tough to pin MSU's slide on him last year. The defense went to hell and he doesn't have the offensive horses to keep up.

He reminds me a lot of Big Ben when he was at Miami. Deceptive speed. Strong arm, good decisions. He's going to be a good pro.

[NoMyths]

OK, let's recap for those of you talking about Purdue and Wisconsin and whatever other crap you're on about:

Purdue gave up 35 to Indiana State, and it was as close as 5 points until late in the 3rd quarter. They will outscore the weak teams in the Big Ten, but anybody with a running game will dominate them.

Could very well be. I'm not happy with the defense at all, and I think they'll lose games because of it. That said, I think it's overstating the case to call them awful. Someone good may put up 30+ on them, but if they put up 40 that takes care of that.

I also tend to think the defense will improve as the season goes on -- they had to make a lot of changes after last season.

Strange things happen in the Big 10, as you should know. We'll see how things shake out. :)

[st.cronin]

I think the Big10 looks like this

tOSU/Michigan

Iowa
Sparty/Bucky
Purdue/Minny/tPSU/Northwestern

Indiana/Illinois

Big gap between the top two and the middle, big gap between the bottom 2 and the middle.

[Passacaglia]

Did anyone else think Brady Quinn resembles Laura Quinn wayyy too much?

[Passacaglia]

I think the Big10 looks like this

tOSU/Michigan

Iowa
Sparty/Bucky
Purdue/Minny/tPSU/Northwestern

Indiana/Illinois

Big gap between the top two and the middle, big gap between the bottom 2 and the middle.

By Bucky, do you mean Badgery?

[-Mojo Jojo-]

There is no reason OSU or UM should possibly lose to a Big Ten school (outside of each other) this season.

I don't think there's much dispute that Michigan is a better team than Wisconsin, but this past weekend, with Michigan crushing ND and UW struggling with a lesser team, is the perfect setup for Wisconsin to sneak up on the Wolverines next Saturday. Wisconsin has a solid defense, and Stocco just had an off day, he's usually pretty consistent. Hopefully it will at least be an interesting game. I hope the Wolverines are spending a lot of time watching the highlights and reading the press from the ND game this week...