MNF- worse than theismann

[waltwal]

as i am sitting here watching mnf i am wondering who could be a worse announcer than theismann. the word insufferable was invented after theismann became an announcer to describe him. could there be anyone worse- i mean anyone not just another announcer.

i think it would have been great if katie couric was doing mnf and theismann the cbs news.

[Rizon]

Nobody.

It's strange: the guy played football for 12 years, yet knows nothing about football. And his constant whining is hard to put up with.

[stevew]

Yeah, it's time to start a grassroots campaign to get him fired.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Yes there is. His buddy Paul McGuire is worse.

[LionsFan10]

I don't like Theisass either.

If you could have any three announcers in the booth for Monday Night Football, who would you pick .... anybody?

[RendeR]

Maguire was far better than theisman, the reason he's gone is because theisman bitched and complained that Maguire made him look bad.

[Kodos]

Kornheiser is worse.

[waltwal]

keith jackson , john madden and kirk herbstreit. i prefer 2 however.

[Noble_Platypus]

At least he is better than Dennis Miller. :)

[RendeR]

Kornheiser is worse.


What?? Tony is doing a really great job for what his job is (killing time and bringing up useless trivia to entertain the masses) His analysis has been far better than most all other commentating groups.

Yer just a wilbon fan, admit it you alien pig ;)

[Kodos]

I don't watch PTI, and am not really a fan of either.

[Logan]

What?? Tony is doing a really great job for what his job is (killing time and bringing up useless trivia to entertain the masses) His analysis has been far better than most all other commentating groups.

Yer just a wilbon fan, admit it you alien pig ;)

But here is where he has no clue about broadcasting:

They show a graphic that shows how JAX hasn't lost a game when trailing by 6+ points in the second half in however long (I think it was 21 straight games). Tony K says..."well they just picked up points 4, 5 and 6...looks like they're going to win."

Fine, you made your point: this situation, which is completely independent of all the other situations, will 100% end up in Jacksonville's favor, just because it's always been like that in the past. We'll ignore the inaccuracies of this statement if you just shut up.

So the next play comes up...a crucial 3rd and 5 from deep in Pitt territory. Tirico is trying to, you know, do his job and announce the action. But Tony's not done. He has to interrupt and yell how "THIS IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT!"

Ugh.

[Jas_lov]

All Tony does is say "We talked to so and so and he told us blah blah blah" and that's all I ever hear him say. Tony's great on PTI and was on his radio show, but I agree that he's just out of place here. I'd rather listen to him than Joe Theismann though. Tirico is ok. I guess it is an improvement over last year's ESPN Sunday night crew, but they should bring back Nessler, Jaws, and Vermeil and then it would be enjoyable to watch.

[TroyF]

I don't like Theisass either.

If you could have any three announcers in the booth for Monday Night Football, who would you pick .... anybody?


Give me the ESPN "B" team. Vermeil and Jaws as analysts were terrific. May have been the best announced game I've heard in years.

[stevew]

Theisman talks about how he likes the aggresive play calling, and then the next chance he gets, he talks about how they need to take some time off the clock. He needs to take the cock out of his mouth, and go get a job at burger king, cause he's useless at his current one.

[cuervo72]

So the next play comes up...a crucial 3rd and 5 from deep in Pitt territory. Tirico is trying to, you know, do his job and announce the action. But Tony's not done. He has to interrupt and yell how "THIS IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT!"

Ugh.

I thought he was subtly implying that the stat was basically meaningless (in essence, poking fun at it), but I may be wrong.

[Lorena]

as i am sitting here watching mnf i am wondering who could be a worse announcer than theismann. the word insufferable was invented after theismann became an announcer to describe him. could there be anyone worse- i mean anyone not just another announcer.

i think it would have been great if katie couric was doing mnf and theismann the cbs news.

Mid-90's in San Diego, FOX had the genius idea of putting Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson to announce the Chargers and they were FAAAAR worse than anyone in the history of TV announcers.

"Whoa Jimmy, did you see that pass by Stan Humphreys?"
"I sure did Terry, that guy can throw".

Jesus Christ, Antmeister and I were in agony listening to that atrocity.

[Oilers9911]

Sarcasm is just totally lost on some people.

[VPI97]

I thought he was subtly implying that the stat was basically meaningless (in essence, poking fun at it), but I may be wrong.

Yeah...I though he was being sarcastic and taking the exact same position as Logan.

[clintl]

I'm not watching the game, but anyone who says Theismann is the worst either forgot or wasn't there to hear O.J. on MNF. Or Namath for that matter. Theismann is bad, but his awfulness isn't close to being in the same class as those two were.

[stevew]

unfortunately, it appears that the website www.firejoetheismann.com is already taken.

[waltwal]

hmm terry bradshaw! it's possible he might be worse than theismann. i have never heard him as a play-by-play guy but his presence on that pre game show is such that i would never watch it again.

really not many guys are bad. it just mystifies me how bad guys do show up on the featured games. oj, namath. theismann. there are about 20 college games and 16 pro games a week which means about 70-80 announcers. bob davie and theismann are the only 2 that come to mind that bother me.

i do agree that jaws and vermeil were really good. jaws is definitely a guy that has to be ready to make a move.

[clintl]

Fouts was really good when he was on MNF, but everyone was paying attention to Dennis Miller instead.

[cthomer5000]

Sarcasm is just totally lost on some people.


Exactly. Now I know why they have to dumb down the announcing so much.

[VPI97]

Fouts was really good when he was on MNF, but everyone was paying attention to Dennis Miller instead.

Fouts is exceptional whenever I see him doing those late night college football games. Watching him makes me wish I gave a crap about the PAC 10.

[Bad-example]

Jesus Christ, Antmeister and I were in agony listening to that atrocity.

I can't help but picture the three of you on the couch, feet on the coffee table, throwing popcorn at the television every time Bradshaw says something stupid.

[Fouts]

Fouts was really good when he was on MNF, but everyone was paying attention to Dennis Miller instead.

Agreed.

[Lorena]

I can't help but picture the three of you on the couch, feet on the coffee table, throwing popcorn at the television every time Bradshaw says something stupid.

lol

Yes, I'm sure the Holy Man himself would have disliked the duo as well.

[CraigSca]

I wasn't watching the game, but I have to laugh when someone complains about a sports broadcaster and that broadcaster just happens to be talking over said viewer's head.

[gottimd]

as i am sitting here watching mnf i am wondering who could be a worse announcer than theismann

Bobcat Goldthwaite?

[Hoya1]

Lil John would be tremendous with Stuart Scott.

[hhiipp]

YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[stevew]

oooookayyyyyy

[SunDevil]

whaaaaaaaaaaat! whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!

[stevew]

skeet skeet

[Anthony]

i think some people place too much stock in the announcers. i barely pay attention to the announcers. not that i tune them out, but i don't go over their comments w/ fine tooth combs. i don't sit on my couch with a scorecard judging their analysis. they're football announcers, not a debate team. between watching the game, trying to analyze the game for myself, paying closer attention to whichever of my fantasy players that are on the field, looking at the bottom of the screen for scores and stats to see if any of my other fantasy players are scoring...i don't really waste much time scutinizing the commentators. they're there to explain the action on the field to people who have a less than solid grasp on the sport/players. they all mostly say the same things year in and year out anyway, sports commentating is ripe with cliches and over generalizations.

[Passacaglia]

Wow, I agree with HA.

[KevinNU7]

Word. Announcers are only useful to me to say "flag on the play" before the little yellow flag shows on my screen.

[Glengoyne]

I wasn't watching the game, but I have to laugh when someone complains about a sports broadcaster and that broadcaster just happens to be talking over said viewer's head.

Too Funny. I wasn't watching either, but as a Kornheiser fan, I'm willing to lend him my unfettered support.

[waltwal]

responding to hell atlantic. you are almost right. most announcers are just non-descript guys whose names we don't even know or care about. we don't pay much attention to their comments. i like john madden but i don't really sit there and hang on his every word. once in a while he will say something that to me is noteworthy.

that's why i am amazed that the 2-3 guys that are really irritating like theismann, namath and davey are so successful. i would love to simply watch a game where theismann is working but the sound of his voice and his arrogance simply grate on me. it's like sleeping with someone who is a light snorer. try as you might you simply cannot disregard those sounds and then you begin to start anticipating the next one.

i grew up listening to the announcer of the 60's packers. his name escapes me but he was the greatest. he was always noted for his brevity of words. i also recall that he worked alone. the key is as hell atlantic was implying that we don't need everything explained and commented on in order to enjoy a game. 2 announcers is ok but 1 is best and 3 is too many. when you then add a blowhard like theismann to the mix it is a real turnoff.

i can still hear the words

"fumble!!

packers ball

1st and 10 packers"

[Young Drachma]

I watched briefly last night and it seems Tony is finding his place. Theismann on the other hand seemed more annoyed and out of place and yet, the three of them worked better last night than any of the other night's I've seen.

I'm sure a change will happen though. And mostly because Tony will tire of the travel, more than anything else, after this season.

[rkmsuf]

Poor Don Criqui introduced the Pats offense and then on the next play introduced the Pats defense this past week.

[Hoya1]

Poor Don Criqui introduced the Pats offense and then on the next play introduced the Pats defense this past week.

He's about as bad as it gets.

[rkmsuf]

He's about as bad as it gets.

Criqui and Trumpy used to be the gold standard. Time marches on.

[Tim Tellean]

Kornheiser spends the entire broadcast goading Theismann and keeps egging him on. Kornheiser adds nothing to the broadcast. He even says "those guys" when referring to the teams on the field. He spends all week on a bus read a roster. Get a clue.
I feel sorry for Tirico sitting between the two of them and playing ringmaster in the circus.

[clintl]

Criqui and Trumpy used to be the gold standard. Time marches on.

I forgot about Trumpy. I think he was even worse than O.J. and Namath.

[Logan]

I thought he was subtly implying that the stat was basically meaningless (in essence, poking fun at it), but I may be wrong.

That's my point. When you try to make your joke, and it misses, and everyone moves on (like Tirico did in actually trying to announce the play), let it go. There's a time for entertainment (about 55 minutes of gametime), and there's another time when I just want to see what's developing and not have to listen to the announcers screaming over each other.

[stevew]

Ding dong, the cock got fired.

There is a god.

[stevew]

dola

Theismann to be replaced on 'MNF'



By Michael Hiestand,
USA TODAY


Joe Theismann will be replaced on ESPN's Monday Night Football, says an industry official with direct knowledge of the move.

The former Washington Redskins quarterback, who worked as an analyst on ESPN's primetime NFL games for 19 seasons, last year joined play-by-play announcer Mike Tirico and rookie game analyst Tony Kornheiser in the MNF booth last season.

Neither Theismann nor his agent, Sandy Montag, could be reached for comment.

Candidates to replace Theismann include ESPN studio analyst Ron Jaworski, as well as Bill Parcells and Emmitt Smith, who were recently hired as studio analysts.

Theismann could end up with other roles on ESPN/ABC's football coverage just as Mike Patrick and Paul Maguire were retained for ABC's college football coverage after they were removed from ESPN's primetime NFL game coverage before they were replaced by Tirico and Kornheiser last season.

[Eaglesfan27]

I hope the replacement is Jaws. That could be a fun booth that would be worth listening to.

[B & B]

EF, you big jaws homer.

Id prefer Vermiel but either is a big upgrade here.

[cuervo72]

I think the bonus that Jaws has is that he's not full of himself, and he has a pretty good sense of humor. He should be able to take Mr. Tony's jabs in stride - something Ego-Man didn't seem able to do.

[albionmoonlight]

Why do they feel a need to replace him? Why not go to a two man booth?--especially since for half the game they end up with a four man booth while they interview K-Fed or whoever else has something to promote.

[Subby]

I think they need a legit color guy in there.

I can't think of a worse choice than Parcells :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think Jaworski is really good, and I'd love for him to be in the booth. I'm not sure if that's enough to get me to watch more often, but it'd be an upgrade.

[Ksyrup]

Wow, I'm kinda shocked. I mean, everybody hates him, but everybody has hated Musburger for years and that cock is still around.

[MrIllini]

I bet they hire Jay Bilas just to piss me off

[duckman]

Watch it be Steven A. Smith. :rolleyes:

[JAG]

I'd love to see Jaws or Parcells in there. Emmitt, not so much (or at all).

[MrIllini]

bring back Dennis Miller!

[TroyF]

If they make the right move and go with Jaws, I'm going to have to say this is the best offseason ESPN has had in a long, long time.

You get rid of Irvin and Joey Sunshine for a couple of guys who know the game and can analyze it with the best of them.

I go back to what I said earlier in this thread. . . the game with Jaws earlier this year was the best announced game I've seen in a long time.

ESPN actually make 2 good moves in a row? Nah. . . it's probably going to be a moron.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Watch it be Steven A. Smith. :rolleyes:
My favorite Stephen A. Smith word:

HOWEVA

[st.cronin]

Steven A. Smith + Tony Kornheiser + Bill Parcells = pure awesomeness

[albionmoonlight]

Maybe a good compromise between doing the smart thing and doing the typical ESPN thing would be to put Jaws in the booth, but to randomly cut off the booth audio two or three times a game and replace it with excerpts from "The Best Of: Stephen A. Smith Rants About the Knicks"

[Kodos]

Kill Kornheiser too.

[Draft Dodger]

ANYONE is better than Joe

[MrIllini]

ANYONE is better than Joe

that's just the medication talking

[Toddzilla]

It's official - Jaws is the man.

[Ksyrup]

Ron Jaworski will join Mike Tirico and Tony Kornheiser on the ESPN telecast. Jaworski replaces Joe Theismann, who has been offered a prominent football analyst job with the network.

So, what's worse? Theismann for 3 hours on Monday night, or Theismann all over ESPN's coverage on Sunday morning/night, and possibly during the week?

Be careful what you ask for...

[Pumpy Tudors]

Ron Jaworski will join Mike Tirico and Tony Kornheiser on the ESPN telecast. Jaworski replaces Joe Theismann, who has been offered a prominent football analyst job with the network.

So, what's worse? Theismann for 3 hours on Monday night, or Theismann all over ESPN's coverage on Sunday morning/night, and possibly during the week?

Be careful what you ask for...
Well, for me, I think this better. I don't watch ESPN at all except for actual sporting events. For those of you who do watch the other coverage, I feel for you. :)

[Ksyrup]

I don't specifically, but I'm not sure I will be able to avoid him even if I don't watch their coverage.

Just generally speaking, it looks like we'll be getting more Theismann, not less - and, we won't be able to avoid him as easily, since he could pop up at any time. He's no longer confined to Monday at 9pm.

[rkmsuf]

Good luck Joe. Break a leg!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Maybe he can sit in a studio with Sean Salisbury, and they can yell each other to death.

[Ksyrup]

No, Salisbury needs someone like Tweety Bird to pick on. Theismann's too intimidating.

[rkmsuf]

No, Salisbury needs someone like Tweety Bird to pick on. Theismann's too intimidating.

John Clayton takes offense to your remarks.

[Ksyrup]

What's he going to do, whine for Gwanma?

[Franklinnoble]

Meh... I thought Theismann was OK, but then again, I spent my formative years watching him win the first of the Redskins three Super Bowls. I'm sure Eagles fans have similar feelings towards Jaworski...

[moriarty]

I'd dump them all and go back to that Jawarski/Vermeil/whomever booth they had for the alternate Monday night game last year. I thought that group did a great job.

[KWhit]

Meh... I thought Theismann was OK, but then again, I spent my formative years watching him win the first of the Redskins three Super Bowls. I'm sure Eagles fans have similar feelings towards Jaworski...

The difference is that Jaws isn't a sanctimonious prick with no talent as a commentator.

[Eaglesfan27]

The difference is that Jaws isn't a sanctimonious prick with no talent as a commentator.


Couldn't have said it better myself. I wouldn't like Jaws as a commentator if he acted like Theismann did in the role. However, he hasn't acted that way in any of his other TV gigs, and I'm thrilled with the hire as a result.

[Kodos]

I think Jaws will be excellent in this role.

Now dump Kornholio.

[rowech]

Put Vermeil in for Kornheiser and ESPN will finally have a real team.

[MrIllini]

vermeil cries too much

[Ksyrup]

I don't see what's wrong with Tirico and Jaws. Period.

[MrIllini]

wasn't Tirico involved in some sort of domestic abuse case a few years ago? not trying to slander the guy, but I distinctly remember disliking him for that reason

[Ksyrup]

I hardly enjoy getting into the off-field lives of athletes, let alone sportscasters. I hadn't heard that, but nothing surprises me these days.

[MrIllini]

I hardly enjoy getting into the off-field lives of athletes, let alone sportscasters. I hadn't heard that, but nothing surprises me these days.

touche, good point

[lordscarlet]

Speaking of -- Where is Harold Reynolds? Did he pick up a new job?

[Young Drachma]

wasn't Tirico involved in some sort of domestic abuse case a few years ago? not trying to slander the guy, but I distinctly remember disliking him for that reason

In 1992, he was suspended for some sort of sexual harassment or unwelcome advances. Which seems to be an ESPN trend of sorts.

[Young Drachma]

Speaking of -- Where is Harold Reynolds? Did he pick up a new job?

No news on that yet. But here's something from the smoking gun from earlier in the month on his lawsuit against them for breach of contract.

MARCH 2--In a new legal filing that disputes an ESPN claim that he engaged in five instances of sexual misconduct, fired announcer Harold Reynolds recalls a prior incident in which a female employee complained that he was trying to be her "pimp daddy." The former Major League star points to the episode from 2000 as an example of how a courtesy he extended was apparently misconstrued by the co-worker. In court papers filed today in Connecticut Superior Court, Reynolds's lawyer contends that the broadcaster "knows for certain that he was not accused of five acts of 'sexual misconduct' as of March 2006," when he signed a new six-year contract. Claiming that "no events" in his work history can be characterized as sexual misconduct, Reynolds, 46, refers to the "pimp daddy" incident, which apparently occurred in the network's Bristol, Connecticut cafeteria.

As Reynolds tells it, the woman lodged her complaint because he offered to buy lunch for her and other employees. This was a courtesy, the court filing notes, "extended by the last person in line, especially when the last person was Mr. Reynolds." While the comment "may evidence racial stereotyping or bias on the part of the supposed complainant," wrote lawyer Joseph Garrison, "it is most certainly not 'sexual misconduct'" on Reynolds's part. "Most people, instead, would consider an offer to buy lunch as a kind or generous gesture." An excerpt from the Reynolds court filing can be found below. Reynolds was fired last July for reportedly harassing a female ESPN worker. In a breach of contract lawsuit, Reynolds claims that he was improperly canned for giving an "innocuous hug" to a female intern who "never expressed any discomfort" with his behavior. In a court filing last month, ESPN alleged that "five young women" have raised concerns about "sexual misconduct" by the announcer. But the network did not detail when those concerns surfaced. Reynolds was terminated four months after signing a contract valued at nearly $5 million. (2 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0302071reynolds1.html

[sabotai]

Ron Jaworski will join Mike Tirico and Tony Kornheiser on the ESPN telecast. Jaworski replaces Joe Theismann, who has been offered a prominent football analyst job with the network.

So, what's worse? Theismann for 3 hours on Monday night, or Theismann all over ESPN's coverage on Sunday morning/night, and possibly during the week?

Be careful what you ask for...

Well, they did get rid of Michael Irvin, so even with more Theismann, it's still an improvement overall.

[duckman]

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Theismann may do college football for ESPN/ABC


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HARTFORD, Conn. -- Joe Theismann, replaced by Ron Jaworski as an analyst on Monday Night Football, says he's been offered a job doing college football for the ESPN/ABC networks.


"I've been an NFL guy since 1974, so for 33 years now that's been my life," Theismann said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "Now you are faced with the prospect of that not being in your future. It would be like training to be a doctor or a lawyer and having them say, 'we would like you to change to another profession.' I need some time to think about it."


Theismann, who led the Washington Redskins to two Super Bowls and played at Notre Dame, is being replaced on MNF by Jaworski, the former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback.


The network announced Monday that Jaworski will join play-by-play announcer Mike Tirico and analyst Tony Kornheiser in the booth.

Critics had questioned the chemistry in the booth, but Theismann said that wasn't an issue.


"During a football telecast, it's about the game," he said. "When you get two good teams you get a high rating no matter who is in the booth. When you get two lousy teams, you get bad ratings."


Theismann said he was told Friday that he had done a great job, but that the network had decided to make a change.


Norby Williamson, ESPN's executive vice president for studio and remote production, said Monday that ESPN had great respect for Theismann as an analyst and would offer him another job.


"We would be making a mistake if we cannot get that done with him," he said.


Theismann said he will consider other opportunities, and is in no rush to make any decision.


"I haven't ruled out anything," he said. "I've never been in this situation. I've never had this kind of time before... I have to ask myself, 'would I have the same passion for anything else?' I believe it's all about loving what you do."

[stevew]

Yesss! I don't watch any college football, so the rest of you will suffer him.

[miami_fan]

I suggest they put him back into the booth with Paul McGuire and have them do some games out west.


Nothing personal West Coasters, I just want either one of them doing a game I am watching.

[Kodos]

Thiesman to college. Me likes!

[stevew]

here's to him being the VOICE of the Sun Belt.

[Thomkal]

"During a football telecast, it's about the game," he said. "When you get two good teams you get a high rating no matter who is in the booth. When you get two lousy teams, you get bad ratings."

You are so clueless Joe. Have you so soon forgotten Howard Cosell and what he brought to MNF? I could not stand to watch more than a couple minutes of MNF the past few years because the people calling the game were so bad at it. Even when my beloved Cardinals were playing.

So the bad ratings had nothing to do with him and Kornheiser and all to do with bad teams playing. Yeah right.

But for all Theismann was bad, Kornheiser was even worse. He's the one of the three that really needed to go if they were only getting rid of one of them.

[dime]

theesman and notre dame tv are a perfect match.

[Atocep]

Thats one off my list.

Now I hope ESPN fires Joe Morgan, everyone on the baseball tonight panel except Ravich and Gammons, and Chris Berman.

[WVUFAN]

ri like john madden but i don't really sit there and hang on his every word. once in a while he will say something that to me is noteworthy.

I think we could not be more different. Madden to me is PAINFUL to listen to, to the extent I've actually turned the sound off to enable me to watch a game in peace. Theismann and Kornheiser never really bothered me that much.

To each his own, I guess. :)

[Rizon]

That damn Illuminati always protecting Theismann.