College Football Week 5 Discussion Thread (spoilers inside)

[General Mike]

Week 5 of the college football season kicks off tonight with a C-USA clash between Southern Mississippi and Central Florida on ESPN2 at 7:30. I'll be watching. :)

Here is the link to the rest of this week's TV slate of games:

http://mattsarz44017.tripod.com/2006/week5.html

[VPI97]

VT has two starters suspended for the GT game this weekend -- WR Josh Morgan and DE Chris Ellis were among a crowd of VT students that were picked up and cited for disturbing the peace earlier this week outside a bar in Blacksburg, so Beamer suspended them.

With our situation at WR (very deep) it shouldn't hurt our offense (which is inconsistant anyways), but Ellis is a big loss for this particular game. History shows that if you pressure Reggie Ball, he'll fold like a card table, so we need our DE rotation to be able to put pressure on him all game. I think it went from a possible 7 point VT win to an even matchup.

[General Mike]

This USM-UCF game has been a pretty good battle so far.

[cartman]

Texas and Oklahoma are taking similar approaches to their preparation for the Red River Shootout next weekend. This weekend Texas plays Sam Houston State, while OU has a bye week. The level of competition for the 1st team on both squads will be comparable. :)

[cartman]

Looks like TCU's win streak is going to come to an end. They haven't been able to stop BYU on 3rd down all night.

[General Mike]

Here is the 3:30 pm coverage map for ABC this weekend:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/espntv/topics/coveragemaps/MAP_280906.jpg

[VPI97]

Unique third quarter in the Auburn/USC game...Auburn gets the ball to start the half and goes on a 17 play FG drive. They follow it up with an onsides kick and go on a 14 play TD drive that extends into the fourth quarter. First time I can remember seeing a team not have a single offensive play in a quarter.

[General Mike]

South Carolina's got a chance in this one.

[timmynausea]

Survive and advance for Auburn. South Carolina turned 4 red zone trips into 10 points or they would've pulled off the upset.

[Galaxy]

Good game. Should of SC went for the 1st down?

[VPI97]

Hmm...I was just watching Sportcenter and they did one of those pieces where they talk about poll results from ESPN.com. Anyway, the poll question is "Who should be #2?" and on the show, they displayed the results as USC winning the poll with 48% to Auburn's 35%. The problem with that is the actual poll results on ESPN.com were the other way around - Aub 48%, USC 35% - a case of West Coast bias?

[Neuqua]

Anyone else kind of surprised that Rutgers is only a 4.5 point favorite tonight?

[B & B]

Im more suprised that the line is now down to 3 1/2.

Everyones brothers uncle's mother is on Rutgers.


Thinking about taking Paxson and Cartwright plus the points.

[General Mike]

Anyone else kind of surprised that Rutgers is only a 4.5 point favorite tonight?

No. USF is very good.

[kingnebwsu]

Stupid FRIDAY night game ruining my college football pickem...grrr... so much for making my picks on Friday night :(

[General Mike]

My goddamn heart hurts.

[Poli]

Here is the 3:30 pm coverage map for ABC this weekend:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/espntv/topics/coveragemaps/MAP_280906.jpg
Where's Djibouti on this map?

[larrymcg421]

Is it just me or should that have been another grounding call in the end zone?

[VPI97]

No. USF is very good.
Very good?

[Poli]

You need more emphasis on the V of Very. Think "V for Vendetta" type emphasis on the V.

[cthomer5000]

Very good?

I agree Mike overstated it. USF is "good" as in a legit 1-A program. Rutgers seems to be moving towards a solid road win here. I can't complain.

I want them to go at least 2-1 on this 3 game road trip, so this appears to be a very nice start.

[Poli]

Personally, through the Rutgers fans on the board, I'm becoming a closet Rutgers fan (in other words, I'm happy they're winning 'cause it makes you guys happy). I want them to win all 3. :)

[cthomer5000]

Rutgers is not making this easy... come on you jackasses.

[st.cronin]

Personally, through the Rutgers fans on the board, I'm becoming a closet Rutgers fan (in other words, I'm happy they're winning 'cause it makes you guys happy). I want them to win all 3. :)

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[cthomer5000]

well damn... i know who the refs bet on.

[Z²+]

well damn... i know who the refs bet on.

not so fast

[Poli]

'?

[General Mike]

Rutgers is not making this easy... come on you jackasses.

Do they ever make it easy?

Tick Tock Tick Tock.

[cthomer5000]

not so fast

looking like the back judge and side judge bet on different teams!

[st.cronin]

Wow ... what a finish to this game.

[cthomer5000]

?

I'm pretty sure that's a universal "i'm agree."

[Poli]

The game's over? Who won? I'm stuck watching Navy-Marine Corps news and junk.

[cthomer5000]

Wow ... what a finish to this game.

thank god i have booze to either soften the blow or accentuate the high.

[Z²+]

looking like the back judge and side judge bet on different teams!

they should really get together and decide who they're gonna throw the game for in advance and try to coordinate ;)

[st.cronin]

?

meaning I share your sentiment

[cthomer5000]

come on... do Rutgers and the Jets really have to act so similarly? even if they win, Rutgers likes to make it torturous.

[General Mike]

The game's over? Who won? I'm stuck watching Navy-Marine Corps news and junk.


It's not over yet. 22-20, USF going for 2.

[Poli]

I'm pretty sure that's a universal "i'm agree."
Right on. I didn't know. I'm not cultured, despite the Navy's attempts to make me.

I tell you what though, I was called black (as in, get your black *** over here) last week. I think it was a compliment. That was a first. :)

[Galaxy]

WOW

[cthomer5000]

It's not over yet. 22-20, USF going for 2.

USF receiver dropped it!!! wooooot!

[Z²+]

wow, rutgers squeaks away with another one

[Poli]

Go Rutgers!

[General Mike]

Howard Dean: YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Galaxy]

Anything can still happen...

[Z²+]

good feelings about this '06 Big East

[larrymcg421]

I thought that was much closer to PI than the earlier play where he jumped up for it.

[Z²+]

i was actually rooting for RU tonight, I want a battle of 6-1 teams when RU comes to town for Homecoming in late october

[Craptacular]

Still an onside kick to go, but even if USF gets it, those new clock rules will let them run one play at most.

[Z²+]

no 10 yards

[cthomer5000]

i was actually rooting for RU tonight, I want a battle of 6-1 teams when RU comes to town for Homecoming in late october


and i want to see this look again:

http://www.somethingwithanh.com/jokes/wanny.jpg

[Galaxy]

I don't think it went 10 yards.

[Z²+]

Still an onside kick to go, but even if USF gets it, those new clock rules will let them run one play at most.

No....since it's not a change of possession, the clock doesn't not start until the ball is snapped if the kicking team recovers.

[cthomer5000]

not even close to 10 yards.

[cthomer5000]

No....since it's not a change of possession, the clock doesn't not start until the ball is snapped if the kicking team recovers.

not true anymore to my knowledge. these new college rules are crazy gay.

[st.cronin]

College football officials are not as good as the ones the NFL uses. In other words, they really suck.

[Craptacular]

Well, if USF gets this ruling (which they shouldn't), they were lucky the play only took three seconds. It was clean, without a big ruckus for the ball ... however, I think it's pretty clear it was before 10 yards.

[Poli]

And that's not the "I'm happy" gay.

[VPI97]

Only went nine and a half...

[Vegas Vic]

See that, you f**king Oregon officials? That's how the system is supposed to work.

[cthomer5000]

gmae ova.

[Craptacular]

They don't even have to take a knee, Mr .Announcer guy.

[larrymcg421]

How high will Rutgers be ranked if they make it to the Nov. 9th game against Louisville without a loss? That would be a huge game.

[Galaxy]

Good call....No Pac-10 Officials. :)

Kudos to Rutgers and USF.

[cthomer5000]

See that, you f**king Oregon officials? That's how the system is supposed to work.

that whole thing was made 100 times worse by the fact that OREGON NEVER RECOVERED THE FUCKING BALL...

unreal.

[Galaxy]

I think USF has the potential to be a long-term player.

[Z²+]

not true anymore to my knowledge. these new college rules are crazy gay.

I was in the press box last week when the referee explained this one. Even with all the new changes, the onside kick isn't a change of possession like a normal kickoff where the clock starts under the new rules. So if the kicking team recovers an onside kick, the clock doesn't not start until the ball in snapped -- this is like an exception to the new clock rules.

But anywho, it was moot here. Good victory for the RU.

[General Mike]

F that guy who speared Leonard on the onside kick. That was blatant.

[VPI97]

I think USF has the potential to be a long-term player.
I know one of the reasons people keep saying that is because they're in the middle of fertile recruiting ground, but if it were that easy, wouldn't UCF be a good team by now?

[st.cronin]

I think USF has the potential to be a long-term player.

Agree. The directional Floridas have come a long way in a very short time.

[Vegas Vic]

Agree. The directional Floridas have come a long way in a very short time.

Florida Atlantic is still lagging, with Howard Smellsofbourbon as the head coach.

[Galaxy]

I know one of the reasons people keep saying that is because they're in the middle of fertile recruiting ground, but if it were that easy, wouldn't UCF be a good team by now?

Problem with UCF is they aren't in a major conference.

[Z²+]

and i want to see this look again:

http://www.somethingwithanh.com/jokes/wanny.jpg

Hey, I'll take that look any day of the week over Walt Harris' dumb-ass roaming the sideline :D

The Oct. 21 Pitt/RU game really has me excited though. With it being Homecoming and with Rutgers suddenly jumping ahead of Pitt in the conference this season, I think everyone will be really fired up. Should be one hell of a Saturday afternoon.

[st.cronin]

I know one of the reasons people keep saying that is because they're in the middle of fertile recruiting ground, but if it were that easy, wouldn't UCF be a good team by now?

Didn't UCF win a conference and play in a bowl game last year?

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Galaxy]

One thing I never understood is why "South Florida" is in the northern part of the State.

[VPI97]

Problem with UCF is they aren't in a major conference.
Neither is USF.


Zing!

;)

[Poli]

Florida Atlantic is still lagging, with Howard Smellsofbourbon as the head coach.

Did he get it in Oklahoma? :)

[cthomer5000]

Ironically (actually this is probably just laziness, not irony) i probably wont even make it to a home game this year. the only game i have tickest for is @ Annapolis in a couple weeks. After that perhaps the Syracsue game @ home.

I definitely can't make the bowl game as i'll be somewhere in Japan.

[VPI97]

Didn't UCF win a conference and play in a bowl game last year?
Last year thay beat Marshall, Directional Louisiana, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, Houston, UAB & Rice. The prior two seasons they won a combined total of three games. Not exactly the resume of 'good' team.

[cthomer5000]

Neither is USF.


Zing!

;)

oh snap.

[Galaxy]

I think UCF has the tools to be a mid-major power. A head coach with a "brand name", a recruiting market, a good stadium.

So, how good is Rutgers? Will they be able to compete against West Virginia and Louisville?

[ISiddiqui]

So, how good is Rutgers? Will they be able to compete against West Virginia and Louisville?

Err... no. Perhaps Rutgers may have had a (slim) chance while Cantwell was starting, but with Brohm behind center, Rutgers gets beat bad. Same with WVU. At least 2 TDs losses in both games is my opinion.

[Vegas Vic]

I think UCF has the tools to be a mid-major power.

They've been on the cusp for quite a few years. I remember in the late 90's, UCF with Daunte Culpepper went into Nebraska and scared the hell out of the Cornhuskers, who were still a national powerhouse at that time.

[General Mike]

I think UCF has the tools to be a mid-major power. A head coach with a "brand name", a recruiting market, a good stadium.

So, how good is Rutgers? Will they be able to compete against West Virginia and Louisville?

No, I don't think Rutgers can beat those 2, but they can win 9 games, and they are solid.

[cthomer5000]

Err... no. Perhaps Rutgers may have had a (slim) chance while Cantwell was starting, but with Brohm behind center, Rutgers gets beat bad. Same with WVU. At least 2 TDs losses in both games is my opinion.

Completely agree. I think we'll get beat beat pretty handily by Louisville, and beat by a large margin by WVU - who is a full cut above anyone else in the conference right now. Still, that makes 10-2 a remote possibility... i can dream.

[sabotai]

College football officials are not as good as the ones the NFL uses. In other words, they really suck.

I've never been one to follow college football and I'm trying to make sure I watch more of it this year (even bought a few preview rags to learn about the teams). One thing watching college football has done for me is to put the officiating in the NFL into perspective.

[cartman]

Geez, Michigan State needs to shake their hangover from last week. They are losing to Illinois 20-10 late in the 3rd quarter.

[Logan]

Geez, Michigan State needs to shake their hangover from last week. They are losing to Illinois 20-10 late in the 3rd quarter.

Really, really pulling for Illinois, as it will make RU's win over them look better.

I'm listening to it on XM right now...is it on TV anywhere? Or just regional?

[DeToxRox]

Regional TV for MSU/Illinois

I dont think this win will help Rutgers much thouh, as MSU is going to lose their next two to Michigan/OSU

[Neuqua]

Illinois is a young, young team. Isiah Williams looks like he could be a player in the future.

[cartman]

I've got it on a couple of different channels as part of the Sports Package on DirecTV. If you get SNY, it's showing on that station.

[WVUFAN]

Neither is USF.


Zing!

;)

The Big East is 5th out of the 6 BCS Conferences, so if the BE doesn't deserve to be a major conference, the ACC sure as heck shouldn't be either.

The Big East has TWO teams in the Top 10, and 3 in the top 25. That's pretty decent if you ask me.

[henry296]

They've been switching to the MSU/ILL game on ESPN2.

[WVUFAN]

No, I don't think Rutgers can beat those 2, but they can win 9 games, and they are solid.

I think Rutgers has the most underrated running back in the nation, and I think Rutgers is on a high upswing. They may not necessarily beat Louisville or WVU this year, but watch out a few years from now.

I'm happy for them and their fans. They deserve this record, and they've earned it.

[Logan]

I've got it on a couple of different channels as part of the Sports Package on DirecTV. If you get SNY, it's showing on that station.

Beautiful...thanks. Of course that was the one channel I didn't bother to check.

Was Stanton's arm "indisputably" going forward? Even MSU's homer announcers seemed surprised by that call.

[cartman]

Mizzou looks like they will walk away with the Big 12 North.

[cartman]

Illinois is in FG range...

[cartman]

38 yard FG attempt for Illinois to win the game and avoid OT...

[cartman]

And it's good! MSU's season has fallen completely apart.

[Easy Mac]

cue the Schmidty rant.

And should I be pissed off that my NBC affiliate stayed with the Virginia blowout of Duke (37-0) and made us miss the first quarter of the ND game? Personally, I don't particularly care either way, except that since the ND game is in HD, it looks better.

[General Mike]

John L Smith is gonna get fired.

[Radii]

So uh, Georgia Tech? WOW.

[Radii]

A quick TD by Virginia Tech hurts, but its still 21-7!

[WVUFAN]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Virginia Tech is teh suck. A fact WVU fans have known for YEARS.

[kingnebwsu]

John L. Smith will not be coaching at Michigan State next year. Will MSU finish the season with 3 wins?

[Radii]

ahhh and now the real reggie ball shows up.

[cartman]

Texas Tech has shrug off their loss to TCU. They are up 24-14 at halftime on the road at A&M.

[digamma]

The last three years of my life as a football fan have been replayed in the last hour and a half. Great plays followed by unexplicable decisions.

Here's to you, Reginald.

[digamma]

Dola

I can't really complain. I thought the only way GT could win this game was to play from in front. 24-13 at the half is doing that.

Let's go Jackets.

[duckman]

Texas Tech has shrug off their loss to TCU. They are up 24-14 at halftime on the road at A&M.

Looks like Tech learn how to play defense. :D

[cartman]

What an amazing downing of the punt inside the 1 by Texas Tech.

[VPI97]

Virginia Tech is teh suck. A fact WVU fans have known for YEARS.
LOL...we're still better than WVU. I will always relish the fact that we beat WVU with ease last season to keep you guys from going undefeated. We were better than WVU then and we're better than you now. Once you guys lose to Louisville (i.e. the only legit team you play all year), I'll be laughing my ass off.


I thought the only way GT could win this game was to play from in front. 24-13 at the half is doing that.
As I posted earlier this week, the only way we'd win is if it were a low scoring game...a bad offensive line + a young QB means that we're not scoring more than 20 on offense against a good defense. The defensive breakdowns this game were unexpected and that's dissapointing, but we are what we are...a borderline top 25 team.

[cartman]

What an amazing downing of the punt inside the 1 by Texas Tech.

So what does Tech do? They allow A&M to drive 99 yards for the tying touchdown.

[Toddzilla]

As I posted earlier this week, the only way we'd win is if it were a low scoring game...a bad offensive line + a young QB means that we're not scoring more than 20 on offense against a good defense. The defensive breakdowns this game were unexpected and that's dissapointing, but we are what we are...a borderline top 25 team.VT has never been, and never really will be, a team that can come back from being behind. They've caught lightning in a bottle a time or two - against GT 2 years ago and in a memorable game against WVU in 99. (Whatever happened to WVU? Are they still in a conference? 1-AA? Oh well, Irrelevant either way). When you build a team on ball control and defense, you simply cant put up a bunch of points in a short period of time. This kind of offense also requires a strong offensive line, and VT's O-line just isn't that good. Virginia Tech is getting exposed today - but I think most every fan would have told you that #11 in the rankings was way over-rated.

[VPI97]

Virginia Tech is getting exposed today - but I think most every fan would have told you that #11 in the rankings was way over-rated.
Oh yeah, we were over-ranked. It was the WVU princple...if you don't play anyone, they'll stick you at the top of the rankings every time.

[cartman]

What a TD catch by Texas Tech to take the lead over A&M with 20 seconds left in the game!

[st.cronin]

What a TD catch by Texas Tech to take the lead over A&M with 20 seconds left in the game!

This was a fantastic game, one of the best of the year.

[Easy Mac]

Virginia Tech is getting exposed today - but I think most every fan would have told you that #11 in the rankings was way over-rated.
I'd disagree with this sentiment somewhat. I think they were rated about right, the problem was finding the 11th team who really deserved to be ranked in their spot.

[biological warrior]

The Notre Dame - Purdue game should really have been a closer ''Affair of Honor.''

[duckman]

Heh, Houston has taken the lead over Miami. :D

[st.cronin]

Boy, Kyle Wright.

[cartman]

Texas blocks a punt and recovers it for a TD to draw first blood against the mighty Bearkats.

[JeeberD]

Go Coogs!

[cartman]

Texas is resting Selvin Young and Jamaal Charles this week, to let them get ready for the Red River Shootout. That give sophomore Henry Melton the starting nod. He could be the only 270 pound halfback in the country.

He carried the ball several times on this drive to make the score 14-0.

[Eaglesfan27]

Great kick return by Gable, then a quick long pass to Smith, and then a pass to McCoy!!! TD USC! :)

[cartman]

Houston takes a 10-7 lead into halftime against the 'Canes.

[digamma]

As I posted earlier this week, the only way we'd win is if it were a low scoring game...a bad offensive line + a young QB means that we're not scoring more than 20 on offense against a good defense. The defensive breakdowns this game were unexpected and that's dissapointing, but we are what we are...a borderline top 25 team.

Even in the loss, I think that game is probably something VPI can build on. Glennon could be something special. I was impressed with his poise after getting beat up for the better part of three quarters. A lot of teams would have mailed that one in, but the Hokies fought till the final whistle.

Really happy with the W. Assuming the Jackets take care of the teams they should beat, we go to Clemson and get Miami at home in back to back weeks. Split those two and the Jackets can land in Jacksonville. Of course, taking care of the teams that should be beaten has not been Chan Gailey's forte.

[cartman]

Colt McCoy must have watched Mark Brunnell last weekend. He's 5 for 5 so far, and just threw a TD pass. They take a 21-0 led with 4 minutes left in the 1st quarter of the scrimmage.

[st.cronin]

Colt McCoy must have watched Mark Brunnell last weekend. He's 5 for 5 so far, and just threw a TD pass. They take a 21-0 led with 4 minutes left in the 1st quarter of the scrimmage.

How's Bomar looking?

[cartman]

How's Bomar looking?

My guess is he's looking from the stands. He hasn't been reinstated yet by the NCAA.

[st.cronin]

My guess is he's looking from the stands. He hasn't been reinstated yet by the NCAA.

Ah! I didn't realize that.

[cartman]

Jevan Snead comes in to take the reins from Colt McCoy. He leads the team down the field, and runs the old VY Zone Read play to take the ball in for a TD from the 10 to make the game 28-0.

[JeeberD]

13-7 Coogs over the 'Canes after a UH field goal curves in...

[Eaglesfan27]

It looks like USC is finally starting to open up the offense and take some shots downfield. 14-6 now. Booty is making some really nice throws and Smith is impressing, especially since Jarrett is out injured.

[JeeberD]

The ref just broke up a pass on 3rd and 7, keeping the 'Canes from getting a first down... :D

[cartman]

Colt McCoy comes back out onto the field. He keeps his perfect game alive, completing 3 passes on the TD drive, finished off by a 2 yard Melton run. 35-0 Texas.

[Eaglesfan27]

Not a good year for Pac-10 officials (or many other officials):


A ref just blew a whistle on a fair catch, before the USC punt returner caught it. He muffed it, but the play was already dead cause of the early whistle. Luckily for the ref, the USC player recovered.


Edit: Actually, watching the replay, the ref blew the whistle just after the guy muffed the punt and while it was bouncing around.

[cartman]

Texas gets to run their 2 minute drill as part of the scrimmage. McCoy hits Sweed on a 42 yard strike with less than 20 seconds left in the half to make the score 42-0.

[JeeberD]

13-13 tie, 'Canes have an XP coming...

[Neuqua]

The NIU/Ball State game was delayed more than a half hour due to lightning.

Garret Wolfe with a touchdown and about 100 yards in the first half.

[cartman]

I-AA Northern Iowa is up 21-7 at the half against Iowa State.

[cartman]

At least the camera crew at the Texas game knows the real attraction. They've been showing LOTS of shots of the hotties in the stands. Since this is a PPV, I want more than just football. :)

[larrymcg421]

Kyle Wright takes alot of heat, but I still think he's a good QB. You have to remember he's dealing with a severely depleted receiving corps, a terrible offensive line, and a coaching staff that doesn't seem to have a clue.

[cartman]

Wazzou is giving USC a game. It's 14-12 USC at the half.

[cartman]

Jevan Snead starts the 2nd half. He follows up his first touchdown run with his first touchdown pass, a 56 yarder to Jordan Shipley. 49-0 Texas.

[larrymcg421]

Wow. this is awful.

Does Coker even get to finish the season if Miami loses this game?

[Eaglesfan27]

Wazzou is giving USC a game. It's 14-12 USC at the half.


Yeah. Their O-Line is doing a surprisingly good job (considering the reshuffling they've done) and their passing game is doing a good job of moving the ball all game.

[WVUFAN]

LOL...we're still better than WVU. I will always relish the fact that we beat WVU with ease last season to keep you guys from going undefeated. We were better than WVU then and we're better than you now. Once you guys lose to Louisville (i.e. the only legit team you play all year), I'll be laughing my ass off.

You're not even anywhere near WVU's league this year. Keep living your delusion.

Again, last year, neither Slaton nor White started the game, otherwise it may have been a much different game. But that was last year, not this one.

Just another case of a deluded Va Tech Chokie fan (is there any other kind?) wishing they could be in the same calibre as WVU. Your team is nothing compared to ours.

I've been to a game at Tech. I'm sure you're a fine person, but your compatriot Tech fans make the lot of you look like fools.

Then again, I hate Va Tech with a passion unrivaled. Hell I hate them more than Pitt fans. I at least have respect for the Panthers.

It's too bad the Chokies are too frightened to play us anymore. Eh, it's not like the ACC is worth anything this year anyway. VaTech fits it perfectly there.


As I posted earlier this week, the only way we'd win is if it were a low scoring game...a bad offensive line + a young QB means that we're not scoring more than 20 on offense against a good defense. The defensive breakdowns this game were unexpected and that's dissapointing, but we are what we are...a borderline top 25 team.

Again, I say :

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Buncha of Chokie losers. :-)

Normally I don't go off about schools like this, but GOOD GOD I hate Virginia Tech.

[WVUFAN]

Oh yeah, we were over-ranked. It was the WVU princple...if you don't play anyone, they'll stick you at the top of the rankings every time.

Jealous?

Of course you are.

[cartman]

Looks like Miami is going to escape with the win.

[Neuqua]

Another TD Wolfe.

20-14 NIU, Nendick misses the XPAT which snaps his 108 in a row streak.

170 yards, 2 TDs in the 3rd for Wolfe.

[cartman]

Sam Houston started to put up a bit of a fight, getting a FG, making the score 49-3. But Texas just returned a punt for a TD to set the score at 56-3.

[Neuqua]

Wolfe with a 75 yard run, having him become the 3rd player in history to reach 1,000 yards in 5 games.

[JeeberD]

14-0 Miners after a Marcus Thomas TD run and a Johnnie Lee Higgins 71 TD reception... :)

[Cuckoo]

Sam Houston started to put up a bit of a fight, getting a FG, making the score 49-3. But Texas just returned a punt for a TD to set the score at 56-3.

Hahaha... Texas let them score... ;)

In other news, the team OU blew out is blowing out the team Texas blew out. Oh, it's almost RRS time. :D

[Neuqua]

47 Yard TD for Wolfe.

309 yards rushing, 3 TDs so far in the 4th. 37-14 Huskies

[cartman]

Oh, it's almost RRS time. :D


Next Saturday can't get here fast enough.

One of my cousins is getting married next Saturday, and I'm one of the groomsmen. I told him that the ceremony damn well better be over by kickoff, otherwise he'll be down one groomsman come kickoff.

:D

[JeeberD]

I went to the fair today, fellas. Big Tex said to tell y'all hi...

[WVUFAN]

Wow, are ALL the Pac-10 officials bad?

A holding call flag against USC picked up when it's obvious that it was a legit call.

[Neuqua]

Ball State put 10 men in the box on the last drive to try to stall Wolfe.

[st.cronin]

Not a fan of either team, but it seems really obvious to me that West Virginia is a MUCH better team than Virginia Tech. Sort of how Wisconsin is a better team than Indiana, say.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow, are ALL the Pac-10 officials bad?

A holding call flag against USC picked up when it's obvious that it was a legit call.


Yeah, I gotta say that was a bad no call.


I'm about 10 minutes behind on the DVR.

[JeeberD]

24-7 Miners in the second after another JLH TD reception. Johnnie Lee Higgins has 175 yards receiving with nine minutes left in the first half!

[Eaglesfan27]

Bad retraction of holding call aside, that was a great long drive for USC that lasted over 8 minutes of GT and ended with a Smith TD to make it 28-15. Steve Smith is having a huge game. 11 catches, 186 yards, and 2 TD's with 6 minutes left in the game.

[JeeberD]

God, UTEP's defense is pitiful. Of course, we are playing against the #1 offense in the nation ( :rolleyes: )...

[Vegas Vic]

Middle Tennessee goes on the road and demolishes home favorite North Texas, 35-0. I figured MTU might pull the upset, but I never would have thought that they would be able to dominate the Mean Green the way that Texas did, especially playing on the road.

Great comeback for MTU after being slaughtered by Oklahoma 59-0 last week.

[Eaglesfan27]

Washington State's offense is going to win them a lot of games this year. Regardless of the ending of this game, I'll be surprised if they don't win at least 9 games in the regular season.

[JeeberD]

And we're not giving our defense any rest...Quinten Demps with a 91 yard KO return for a TD! 31-14 Miners with five minutes to go in the half.

[Eaglesfan27]

Washington State gets the ball back with 1:04 left and needing to go 75 yards for a win..

I'm worried. Their offense has moved the ball all day.

[Neuqua]

Garrett Wolfe comes out of the game having carried the ball 31 times for 352 yards. Breaking the NIU rushing record (which he held previously) by 27 yards.

The man belongs with anybody in the heisman talk.

[TazFTW]

Ole Miss enters halftime leading Georgia 3-0.

[Eaglesfan27]

3 seconds left. Hail Mary from the USC 40. I think WSU would probably win this game if they had another minute left.


I just hope they don't pull off a miracle play..


USC intercepts it. Whew, that was a nail biter. I definitely think WSU will win at least 9 games this year.

[bhlloy]

USC's pass defence was nothing short of pathetic tonight... if they can't find a way to get any kind of pass rush then Oregon are going to put up 40+ points without breaking a sweat. WSU is easily one of the worst lines in the Pac 10.

Give thanks for Steve Smith otherwise Trojans lose and it's probably not even close.

[Eaglesfan27]

USC's pass defence was nothing short of pathetic tonight... if they can't find a way to get any kind of pass rush then Oregon are going to put up 40+ points without breaking a sweat. WSU is easily one of the worst lines in the Pac 10.

Give thanks for Steve Smith otherwise Trojans lose and it's probably not even close.


Booty had something to do with it too ;)


Also, Emmanuel Moody continues to impress. USC's D-Line has done pretty well against some good O-Lines. I think you are underestimating WSU. However, I agree that Oregon will be a tough matchup if the defense can't play better. However, Jarrett should be back and Booty should be even better. I wouldn't be surprised to see USC put up 40 plus on Oregon as well..

[JeeberD]

31-20 Miners at the half. NMSU has already run 54 plays and put up over 300 yards. Our defense is sucking some serious wind (as well as something else) right now...

[st.cronin]

Nebraska - Kansas headed to OT!

[bhlloy]

Booty had something to do with it too ;)


Also, Emmanuel Moody continues to impress. USC's D-Line has done pretty well against some good O-Lines. I think you are underestimating WSU. However, I agree that Oregon will be a tough matchup if the defense can't play better. However, Jarrett should be back and Booty should be even better. I wouldn't be surprised to see USC put up 40 plus on Oregon as well..


The key is Sedric Ellis, because if he is back then we will at least generate some pressure up the middle. I hate the Elephant position, Cushing just isn't big enough to generate any rush as a traditional end and LoJack seems to have regressed so much from last year it's not even funny.

And as for underestimating WSU, there are 5 offenses in the Pac 10 that are clearly better than they are. They have some decent recievers, but if we give Dixon or Olsen the time we gave Brink (who I had never heard of coming into today) it's going to get ugly.

[Poli]

Holy cow. What's going on in the Georgia-Ole Miss game?

[WVUFAN]

The key is Sedric Ellis, because if he is back then we will at least generate some pressure up the middle. I hate the Elephant position, Cushing just isn't big enough to generate any rush as a traditional end and LoJack seems to have regressed so much from last year it's not even funny.

And as for underestimating WSU, there are 5 offenses in the Pac 10 that are clearly better than they are. They have some decent recievers, but if we give Dixon or Olsen the time we gave Brink (who I had never heard of coming into today) it's going to get ugly.

I think it's one of the bad things that goes along with being a perennial powerhouse like USC has become. EVERY team comes in with the dream of the big upset, and median teams like WSU will play over their normal level.

I think Oregon/USC is gonna be a shootout.

[grdawg]

The run is there all day for Georgia, I don't understand why it takes a half for Richt to see that. We'd be up huge if we had run in the 1st half. Go Dawgs!

[Swaggs]

I was a little bummed after last week's lackluster ECU game, but after seeing quite a few of the top teams play over the past few weeks, I feel like WVU is deserving of their ranking. I don't think they are the best team in the country, but I don't think anyone is head-and-shoulders ahead of them.

I really hope we can take care of business vs the teams we should be favored against, continue to stay healthy (we don't have anyone out through five weeks, which is huge), and hopefully get through Nov. 2 at Louisville. This could be a special year for the Mountaineers.

[VPI97]

You're not even anywhere near WVU's league this year. Keep living your delusion.
You've got to be kidding me. West Virginia has done nothing this year to deserve any sort of accolades. They've built a reputation based on one half...not a game...one half...of play against an uninterested Georgia team. Everyone forgets the fact that once UGA woke up in the game, they beat the crap out of WVU. Just like we did to the Mounties in Morgantown.

Again, last year, neither Slaton nor White started the game, otherwise it may have been a much different game. But that was last year, not this one.
Really? Cause I remember Pat White playing three quarters of the game after we knocked Bednarick for a loop and Slaton leading WVU in carries. Listening to you, it sounds like neither played at all. Nice spin attempt.

Just another case of a deluded Va Tech Chokie fan (is there any other kind?) wishing they could be in the same calibre as WVU. Your team is nothing compared to ours.

I've been to a game at Tech. I'm sure you're a fine person, but your compatriot Tech fans make the lot of you look like fools.
I had season tickets to WVU games for 10 years growing up and there is no comparison between the two fan bases. VT fans, heck fans of all schools, can be bad at times, but it's the scum at WVU who take pride in it. The caliber of WVU fans is the lowest of the low. After becoming a student at VT and going back up to Morgantown, one of those 'high caliber' WVU fans spit in my mother's face...and another one of those quality WVU students shoved my father and challenged him to defend himself. Nice fanbase.

Then again, I hate Va Tech with a passion unrivaled. Hell I hate them more than Pitt fans. I at least have respect for the Panthers.
Respect for the Panthers and jealousy for the Hokies. You sound like the rest of that crew.

It's too bad the Chokies are too frightened to play us anymore. Eh, it's not like the ACC is worth anything this year anyway. VaTech fits it perfectly there.
You may want to check your facts. It's WVU who rejected our offer to keep the rivalry going on neutral ground. It's no surprise that you didn't want to play us anymore. It's easier to try and go undefeated when the automatic loss is off your schedule.

[Poli]

If this were a non-conference game, I'd be rooting for UGA, but according to the Ardent rules for cheering, I'm more for mucking up the SEC East. No way at all I see Ole Miss winning this game in the end, though.

[Poli]

Did Ole Miss just go for it on 4th? ESPN's game tracker is the suck out here.

[General Mike]

Did Ole Miss just go for it on 4th? ESPN's game tracker is the suck out here.

Yes.

[Swaggs]

So, looking through the likely undefeateds after today, a few things jump out:

Boise State (5-0) is the only non-BCS conference team that is undefeated with TCU and Houston going down.

The following unlikely teams have the best record in their respective conferences:

Rutgers (5-0) in the Big East. WVU and Louisville are also undefeated in the Big East, each at 4-0.
Wake Forest (5-0) in the ACC. They are also the only undefeated team in the ACC.
Missouri (5-0) in the B12. They are the only undefeated team in the B12.


The other undefeated teams:
Michigan (5-0)
Ohio State (5-0)
USC (4-0)
Oregon (4-0)
Florida (5-0)
Auburn (5-0)
Georgia (5-0) -- if they hold on to their lead over Ole Miss.

So, it looks like there are only 13 undefeated teams remaining after five weeks.

[WVUFAN]

You've got to be kidding me. West Virginia has done nothing this year to deserve any sort of accolades. They've built a reputation based on one half...not a game...one half...of play against an uninterested Georgia team. Everyone forgets the fact that once UGA woke up in the game, they beat the crap out of WVU. Just like we did to the Mounties in Morgantown.


No, we WON THE GAME. If we have been "beaten to crap" in the second half, we wouldn't have won the game. We won.


Really? Cause I remember Pat White playing three quarters of the game after we knocked Bednarick for a loop and Slaton leading WVU in carries. Listening to you, it sounds like neither played at all. Nice spin attempt.

You must be high if you think it was the same team that played Georgia played you. REALLY high.

Tell me, did Va Tech even GO to a BCS game last year? No? Don't tell me it was because of the "Mighty" ACC. That's a joke. And you're not gonna go this year, either.


I had season tickets to WVU games for 10 years growing up and there is no comparison between the two fan bases. VT fans, heck fans of all schools, can be bad at times, but it's the scum at WVU who take pride in it. The caliber of WVU fans is the lowest of the low. After becoming a student at VT and going back up to Morgantown, one of those 'high caliber' WVU fans spit in my mother's face...and another one of those quality WVU students shoved my father and challenged him to defend himself. Nice fanbase.

You're right, there is bad in both fanbases. Such as the three people who attacked me after a WVU/Va Tech because I was wearing a WVU hat. Luckily there was a few other WVU fans to break it up. Like you said, nice fanbase. You people are the scum, not us.

Nice fanbase. You guys (again, not you personally) are a classless bunch that have no business being fans. Much like your players, who are pretty much thugs.


Respect for the Panthers and jealousy for the Hokies. You sound like the rest of that crew.

Yep. Been to plenty of games in Pitt. We have a rivalry, but there's mutual respect between us and them. They don't throw rocks at WVU fans as they leave (like Hokies fans do), they don't spit on the opposing fans (like Va Tech fans do), and they don't step on the ankles of downed opposing players (like Va Tech PLAYERS do).

You saying that Va Tech fans are a better behaved bunch over WVU fans is A JOKE.

Having said that, there's no excuse if you or your family was treated that way by anyone. Those people aren't WVU fans, and I would be ashamed to call them that.


You may want to check your facts. It's WVU who rejected our offer to keep the rivalry going on neutral ground.

WVU made an offer for 4 more years, two in Morgantown, two in Blacksburg. Va Tech rejected it in favor of a different OOC schedule.


It's no surprise that you didn't want to play us anymore. It's easier to try and go undefeated when the automatic loss is off your schedule.

Whatever. Va Tech can go back the cess pool the ACC is. Va Techies are bottom-feeding thugs.

[ISiddiqui]

I think you have to be on crack to think Virginia Tech is anywhere near as good as West Virginia this season... or a deluded VT fan. It's an interesting delusion, IMO. VT has been so much better than WVU for so long that they seem like they can't handle the knowledge that WVU is now better.

[JeeberD]

31-31...told you our defense sucked donkey dick. :mad:

[Poli]

14-3 UGA. Ole Miss doesn't have anything in the playbook to mount 10 points against the Bulldogs.

[st.cronin]

I think you have to be on crack to think Virginia Tech is anywhere near as good as West Virginia this season... or a deluded VT fan. It's an interesting delusion, IMO. VT has been so much better than WVU for so long that they seem like they can't handle the knowledge that WVU is now better.

Pretty much just what I was thinking.

[WVUFAN]

I think you have to be on crack to think Virginia Tech is anywhere near as good as West Virginia this season... or a deluded VT fan. It's an interesting delusion, IMO. VT has been so much better than WVU for so long that they seem like they can't handle the knowledge that WVU is now better.

On a side note, I'm happy for Rutgers. That program is certainly on an upswing. They're most certainly heading to a decent bowl this year.

As compared to Virginia Tech, who's program is finally heading to the bottom, where it belongs.

[JeeberD]

34-31 miners.

we suck

reagan schneider is the all-time leader in kick scoring in utep history now, though...

[VPI97]

No, we WON THE GAME. If we have been "beaten to crap" in the second half, we wouldn't have won the game. We won.
They outscored WVU 35-10 in the final three quarters..spin it however you like.

You must be high if you think it was the same team that played Georgia played you. REALLY high.
Now that's a convincing argument. It was the same players and the same coaching staff AND you had the home field advantage. Again, spin it however you like.

Tell me, did Va Tech even GO to a BCS game last year? No? Don't tell me it was because of the "Mighty" ACC. That's a joke.
We may not have went to a BCS game, but we beat the crap out of WVU on their home field. That's better.

And you're not gonna go this year, either.
Neither is WVU. Louisville isn't going to get screwed out of a win this season like they did last season against WVU.

You saying that Va Tech fans are a better behaved bunch over WVU fans is A JOKE.
The easiest way to rebut that is to go read the college message boards around the net. To a school, anyone that's every went to a game in Morgantown will recite horror stories of the experience. It's pretty much an accepted fact that WVU is the worst place for opposing fans to go see a game. It's the reason we refused to play a home and home with you guys and insisted on neutral site games. Our fanbase didn't want to ever have to visit that cesspool again.

WVU made an offer for 4 more years, two in Morgantown, two in Blacksburg. Va Tech rejected it in favor of a different OOC schedule.
No, we rejected it because too many of our alumni had stories of physical and verbal abuse by the crowd in Morgantown. That's the sole reason that the home and home series was canceled...the behavior of the WVU fanbase. That's when we offered a series of neutral site games in D.C....which was the out your A.D. needed to get us off the schedule in favor of Eastern Washington.

[Poli]

What's going on with the Georgia game. Stupid tracker is stuck on 7:47 in the 4th quarter.

[st.cronin]

14-9 Dawgs, 3:29 left, Dawgs about to punt from their own 35. The Sound and the Fury have 1 TO left.

[VPI97]

I think you have to be on crack to think Virginia Tech is anywhere near as good as West Virginia this season... or a deluded VT fan. It's an interesting delusion, IMO. VT has been so much better than WVU for so long that they seem like they can't handle the knowledge that WVU is now better.
Then tell me one thing that they've done this season to distinguish themselves as a top 10 team. They have no quality wins and the three I-A schools they've faced have gained nearly as many yards as WVU. They can run, sure...but passing wise, White makes his living off of dump off passes. They're not a threat to win a game when having to throw the ball and they have the worst pass rush in all of college football. That's not hyperbole, either...they're the only team that has yet to register a sack, despite teams throwing the ball 40+ times a game. Is it illogical to think that Louisville will carve them up like they did last season?

Honestly, at 4-0 WVU has only shown that they can beat bad teams...pretty much like Wake Forest has done. Actually, since Wake is 5-0, they probably deserve to be ranked higher due to a tougher schedule.

[Poli]

14-9 Dawgs, 3:29 left, Dawgs about to punt from their own 35. The Sound and the Fury have 1 TO left.
Well, here's hoping ol' Brent Schaeffer can lead the upset.

No way it happens, I know. But a guy can dream.

[JeeberD]

TD #3 for JLH. The Miners may find a way to win this fucker after all...

[st.cronin]

Well, here's hoping ol' Brent Schaeffer can lead the upset.

No way it happens, I know. But a guy can dream.

Under 2:00, Ole Miss at their own 49, 3rd and about 1.

btw, this post counts

[st.cronin]

... and, the pass is picked off. Ballgame.

I don't understand. 3rd down and 1, and teams line up in the shotgun. You see it all the time, and I just don't get it.

[Poli]

Under 2:00, Ole Miss at their own 49, 3rd and about 1.

btw, this post counts
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[WVUFAN]

They outscored WVU 35-10 in the final three quarters..spin it however you like.

Here's my spin.

Ready?

This is a HUGH spin I'm taking here, so be prepared to retort.

38-35. West Virginia won. That's all that matters.


Now that's a convincing argument. It was the same players and the same coaching staff AND you had the home field advantage. Again, spin it however you like.

Sure. I can spin it that we didn't hit our stride until the Louisville game. But, hey, no excuses, you won last year. Last year was last year, though.


We may not have went to a BCS game, but we beat the crap out of WVU on their home field. That's better.

I'm happy for you. You won the game. Excellent job.

So, who's ranked #4 in the nation RIGHT NOW, and who got destroyed by Georgia Tech?


Neither is WVU. Louisville isn't going to get screwed out of a win this season like they did last season against WVU.

They didn't get screwed out of any game. That game was won by WVU legitimately.


The easiest way to rebut that is to go read the college message boards around the net. To a school, anyone that's every went to a game in Morgantown will recite horror stories of the experience. It's pretty much an accepted fact that WVU is the worst place for opposing fans to go see a game. It's the reason we refused to play a home and home with you guys and insisted on neutral site games. Our fanbase didn't want to ever have to visit that cesspool again.

Nice spin. Too bad it's not true. Those same horror stories aren't being told by Pitt fans. Or Rutgers fans. Or any other fans OTHER than Va Tech fans, who I don't believe at all.


No, we rejected it because too many of our alumni had stories of physical and verbal abuse by the crowd in Morgantown. That's the sole reason that the home and home series was canceled...the behavior of the WVU fanbase. That's when we offered a series of neutral site games in D.C....which was the out your A.D. needed to get us off the schedule in favor of Eastern Washington.

Eastern Washington was picked up at the last minute, when Buffalo dropped out to play Auburn. And the reason we rejected "the neutral ground" in DC is because financially, Va Tech would make more money, and it's CLOSER to Virginia Tech than Morgantown. It wasn't truly neutral ground, and Va Tech knew we would reject it when they proposed it. WVU wanted to continue to play you guys, but you weren't interested. Bottom line, and we both know the reason for that was the direction each program was pointing.

Besides, WVU travels really well, so if there's "abuses" of Va Tech fans, they would have occured under neutral ground as well. Nice try.

[Poli]

There you go.

[st.cronin]

The Mountaineers have been a lot more impressive than, say, Georgia Tech. Or even Georgia, for that matter.

[ISiddiqui]

Then tell me one thing that they've done this season to distinguish themselves as a top 10 team. They have no quality wins and the three I-A schools they've faced have gained nearly as many yards as WVU. They can run, sure...but passing wise, White makes his living off of dump off passes. They're not a threat to win a game when having to throw the ball and they have the worst pass rush in all of college football. That's not hyperbole, either...they're the only team that has yet to register a sack, despite teams throwing the ball 40+ times a game. Is it illogical to think that Louisville will carve them up like they did last season?

Come on... the inability to cope with WVU's success is getting a bit silly. As shown last year, they can run over top competition with Slaton and White running free last year against Louisville and Georgia. This year they are in their second years and are running just as well as ever. Sure it isn't against the best of opponents so far, but the offense is clicking right as the Big East schedule is about to begin.

You say they are not a threat when having to throw the ball. The problem with that statement is they never have to throw, because they can run over anyone. And Louisville may carve them up, but they won't outscore West Virginia. WVU will beat Louisville IMO, by running right through them.

[WVUFAN]

Then tell me one thing that they've done this season to distinguish themselves as a top 10 team. They have no quality wins and the three I-A schools they've faced have gained nearly as many yards as WVU. They can run, sure...but passing wise, White makes his living off of dump off passes. They're not a threat to win a game when having to throw the ball and they have the worst pass rush in all of college football. That's not hyperbole, either...they're the only team that has yet to register a sack, despite teams throwing the ball 40+ times a game. Is it illogical to think that Louisville will carve them up like they did last season?

Honestly, at 4-0 WVU has only shown that they can beat bad teams...pretty much like Wake Forest has done. Actually, since Wake is 5-0, they probably deserve to be ranked higher due to a tougher schedule.

Nice colored glasses you have on there. By the way, the ACC is ranked BELOW the Big East in RPI rankings, so the ACC doesn't play a tougher schedule.

Until someone stops the running game, Pat White doesn't HAVE to pass.

Seriously, guy, this sounds like blatant jealousy here. Face facts -- WVU's team is heads over tails better than any ACC team this year, INCLUDING Virginia Tech. Louisville is heads and tails better than any ACC team this year, INCLUDING Virginia Tech. I have no doubts that Rutgers could easily hold their own against the ACC as well.

You're just gonna have to learn to live with your jealousy. Don't feel bad, I was jealous that one time Virginia Tech made it to the championship game.

[JeeberD]

41-38 Miners :rolleyes:

[VPI97]

38-35. West Virginia won. That's all that matters.
LOL, okay...although I think it would matter since we were specifically talking about the second half of that game. But you don't want to discuss that...I understand why you wouldn't.

They didn't get screwed out of any game. That game was won by WVU legitimately.
Well, except for the whole thing where the refs admitted after the game that they blew the onsides kick call that helped WVU tie the game and sent it to overtime. But I understand why you wouldn't want to discuss that, either.

Or any other fans OTHER than Va Tech fans, who I don't believe at all.
You could always ask the Miami coach who was hit by a trash can (of all things) that was thrown from the WVU stands. Or the EMT workers who had their ambulance stopped and rocked by WVU fans when trying to take a Miami player to the hospital after an on field injury. You don't want to discuss that either, right?

And the reason we rejected "the neutral ground" in DC is because it's CLOSER to Virginia Tech than Morgantown.
I'm pretty sure you just made that up because even the administration in Morgantown would know to look at a map before declaring that WVU was further away from D.C. than Blacksburg.

[JeeberD]

43-38 Miners, two and a half minutes to go. Plenty of time for the NMSU offense to fuck us up...

[JeeberD]

Aggies were driving until a Miner INT.

Thank fucking god...

[VPI97]

By the way, the ACC is ranked BELOW the Big East in RPI rankings, so the ACC doesn't play a tougher schedule.
By the way, the ACC is ranked higher than the Big East in the Sagarin rankings...but neither means anything. Especially not enough to mention it in every single college football thread like you do.

Until someone stops the running game, Pat White doesn't HAVE to pass.
Then it's good news for WVU that they only play one good defense this season.

Seriously, guy, this sounds like blatant jealousy here. Face facts -- WVU's team is heads over tails better than any ACC team this year, INCLUDING Virginia Tech. Louisville is heads and tails better than any ACC team this year, INCLUDING Virginia Tech. I have no doubts that Rutgers could easily hold their own against the ACC as well.

You're just gonna have to learn to live with your jealousy. Don't feel bad, I was jealous that one time Virginia Tech made it to the championship game.
Call it whatever you want...I call it looking through the hype to see that WVU is a one trick pony that won't get exposed by the weak schedule they play. I don't know if WVU is better than Clemson, BC, GT, FSU or VT...but what I do know is that is seems convenient that BE teams like WVU and Rutgers are experiencing a 'revival' shortly after Miami, BC and VT leave the conference. Teams look a lot better when three games against top 25 opponents disappear from the schedule.

[TazFTW]

Hawaii 21 Eastern Illinois 6, still in the 1st quarter. Brennan already has over 200 yards passing. :D

[General Mike]

Aggies were driving until a Miner INT.

Thank fucking god...


Good job Miners.

[WVUFAN]

By the way, the ACC is ranked higher than the Big East in the Sagarin rankings...but neither means anything. Especially not enough to mention it in every single college football thread like you do.

When people like you stop extolling the virtues of the ACC, then I'll stop proving they're not true. Cool?


Then it's good news for WVU that they only play one good defense this season.

Whatever. :rolleyes: I don't have a response to that, because you're just gonna pull another useless fact out of your ass. You want to think WVU is a one-trick pony? Fine. Too bad the MAJORITY of sports writers and college football coaches (who know a little more about football than you or I do) disagree.

But keep drinking the Chokie Kool-aid. More power to ya.


Call it whatever you want...I call it looking through the hype to see that WVU is a one trick pony that won't get exposed by the weak schedule they play. I don't know if WVU is better than Clemson, BC, GT, FSU or VT...but what I do know is that is seems convenient that BE teams like WVU and Rutgers are experiencing a 'revival' shortly after Miami, BC and VT leave the conference. Teams look a lot better when three games against top 25 opponents disappear from the schedule.

See above. Say what you want about Louisville or Rutgers, but Louisville is already better than Va Tech, and give it two years, so will Rutgers. Too bad Va Tech admins don't have the balls to play them.

Guess we'll never know, since the fans of WVU are "too mean" for the Hokies.

Seriously, that's about the stupidest comments I've seen from a VaTech fan. Congratulations.

[VPI97]

See above. Say what you want about Louisville or Rutgers, but Louisville is already better than Va Tech, and give it two years, so will Rutgers. Too bad Va Tech admins don't have the balls to play them.
I think you've proven yourself to not know much about college football. You DO realize that we played...and beat...Louisville last season, right?

Seriously, that's about the stupidest comments I've seen from a VaTech fan. Congratulations.
I could say the same about your lack of knowledge, but to be fair, I've seen plenty of stupid WVU fans in my lifetime.

[WVUFAN]

LOL, okay...although I think it would matter since we were specifically talking about the second half of that game. But you don't want to discuss that...I understand why you wouldn't.

Ok, let's talk the second half -- Georgia outscored WVU 14-7 in the second half.

That's DOMINATION, man. I give it to Georgia, though -- they are a tough school in by-far the toughest conference in football that would have probably beat WVU 9 out of 10 times. Overall, they were a better team than WVU, they just lost that single game.

Conversely, WVU last year was a better team than VaTech. We probably would have beaten the Chokies 9 out of 10 times, but we lost that one. Overall, we were a better team last year (as noted by the final rankings), and we're a better team THIS year (as noted by the rankings).


Well, except for the whole thing where the refs admitted after the game that they blew the onsides kick call that helped WVU tie the game and sent it to overtime. But I understand why you wouldn't want to discuss that, either.

I'd love to see some link you can provide from a legit source that states the refs took responsibility for Louisville's loss.


You could always ask the Miami coach who was hit by a trash can (of all things) that was thrown from the WVU stands. Or the EMT workers who had their ambulance stopped and rocked by WVU fans when trying to take a Miami player to the hospital after an on field injury. You don't want to discuss that either, right

Sure. go ahead and point me to the sources you had for those, and I'll point you to a dozen other sources from other teams that have done similar things. It happens in college sports in general, has happened in Blacksburg, and doesn't mean ANYTHING in the long run.

Going back to the present, enjoy your Top 20 ranking, because come Sunday, it won't be there anymore. WVU, however, will still be in the Top 5.

Does it feel good looking up at us? Does it feel good looking up at Louisville? Will it feel good looking up at Rutgers, who very well may be ranked higher than Va Tech tomorrow?

[timmynausea]

You know, West Virginia hasn't trailed since that Louisville game on October 15, 2005. That's almost an entire year now since they've been behind at any point in a game, on top of currently having the nation's longest winning streak along with Ohio State. (Maybe OSU moved a game ahead since WVU was off this week, but still.)

I don't really care enough to get too involved in the argument, but I just thought I'd throw that out there.

[WVUFAN]

I think you've proven yourself to not know much about college football. You DO realize that we played...and beat...Louisville last season, right?

And in 1942, Army had a good team. Doesn't mean the same thing now. Quit living in the past. THIS year, Louisville has a better team than Virginia Tech.

Don't believe me? Ask the college coaches who have had Louisville rated above Tech pretty much the entire season this year.


I could say the same about your lack of knowledge, but to be fair, I've seen plenty of stupid WVU fans in my lifetime.

Anyone who can sit there and say Virginia Tech is a better football team than West Virginia this year has no room to talk about lack of football knowledge.

[st.cronin]

I think you've proven yourself to not know much about college football. You DO realize that we played...and beat...Louisville last season, right?

If I were a VaTech fan, I would not be mentioning that victory. Far better for your program to go 5-7 without the likes of Marcus Vick humiliating your entire fanbase.

[k0ruptr]

Colt Brennan for hawaii has 360 + yards passing and 5 TD's in the first half...hehehe

[Poli]

If you play a I-AA school, there's a separate thread for that. ;)

Just kidding. Among my many layers, I'm a Hawaii fan...going back to ol' Craig Stutzmann. Even got my Hawaii football shirt out here.

[k0ruptr]

Stutz!! he was da man... his little brother is in HS right now and on Hawaii's watch list :)


BOOOOOOOOOOO they took out brennan with 3:00 left in the 3rd quarter , that sucks...
finishes at 30-41 409 yards 5 td's 1 pick

[Toddzilla]

I think as another Virgina Tech fan, I feel compelled to chime in here and say

Go Rutgers!

They looked more impressive than the score indicates - given they were on the road in a tough place to play. I think if they can win one against the BE top-3 of WVU/Louisville/Pitt, then they put themselves in a position to go to a real nice bowl game and carry some momentum into 2007.

Rutgers fans - is this year a peaking year or a rebuilding year? Are they playing enough underclassmen to carry the momentum into next season?

[cthomer5000]

Rutgers fans - is this year a peaking year or a rebuilding year? Are they playing enough underclassmen to carry the momentum into next season?

I don't see any flashing alert signs saying this is a peak year. On offense we'll be losing a very good FB and a damn good TE. One WR, but WR is a generally young position, so i don't expect to get hurt too badly there. My gut feeling is that the run game could take a bit of a ding. I'm hoping the young WRs can step up though, because i would say this WR corps is probably worse than the prior 2 years.

Defensively I don't have as good a read. We're starting 5 seniors there, and 3 of our top 4 CBs are seniors. I'm a bit worried the green CBs could go through some real growing pains next year.


So all things considered with the schedule and some real solid seniors, I'd probably expect this year's squad to be 1-2 games better than next years. Of course I see real room for improvement in the WR and QB position next year (and at QB i mean either through Teel's progression or a change there). So maybe it evens out.

From a common sense perspective though I'm living this season up because I realize the way things go in sports this may very well be the best season RU has for another 30 years.

[Logan]

I don't see any flashing alert signs saying this is a peak year. On offense we'll be losing a very good FB and a damn good TE.

You can't really make up for losing a guy like Leonard. That said, I like what I've seen from Corcoran, and I hope he gets more opportunities to lead-block for Leonard during the season. He's been very good in that role, and I think it will help Leonard to have the lead blocker, like how he had Ish Medley last season. When teams see him lining up in as the only back, they really load up on the line and he hasn't been as effective.

Yes, Clark Harris is a very good TE, and will probably be a very good pro. But he has been underutilized, so I don't think our offense will miss him that much. I really wish we had another year of Sam Johnson...very underrated and an awesome blocker for a TE. We have a couple intriguing guys that could take over the role in McGovern (the transfer from MSU) and Minemeyer (6'7", 250).

One WR, but WR is a generally young position, so i don't expect to get hurt too badly there. My gut feeling is that the run game could take a bit of a ding. I'm hoping the young WRs can step up though, because i would say this WR corps is probably worse than the prior 2 years.

I think the WRs will be better next year. Lot of talent on the roster, with no one to get them the ball right now. If the running game takes a hit, it will be because we're losing 4 starters off the OL. Granted, 2 of those starters are new ones this year who have filled in beautifully. Coach Flood has done a great job with the line, and we have the talent (both on the roster, and coming in next season) to fill out the line again.

Defensively I don't have as good a read. We're starting 5 seniors there, and 3 of our top 4 CBs are seniors. I'm a bit worried the green CBs could go through some real growing pains next year.

I'm worried more about losing Meekins at DT than anyone else. Our D-line is very small, but very fast and athletic. He's the key, and I don't know who will take over as the anchor for him (then again, who expected his contribution anyway? From a walk-on wrestler? Hopefully we get lucky again). Losing Beckford I don't care about, but Thompson and Frierson will hurt.

The CB situation I'm not worried too much about either. Porter is awful in coverage, and could be one of the biggest wastes of pure talent that I've seen. Roberson is either hot or not. He's been bad so far this season. Only Manny Collins has been great so far. I think Jason McCourty will be very good, his brother could contribute, and maybe we'll get something out of Anthony Miller (on the 3rd try). Our CBs have been bad throughout Schiano's years, and somehow we manage to get by on this "bend, don't break" defense. Hopefully it will keep up. I'll put this as worry #2, which is far, far behind...

So all things considered with the schedule and some real solid seniors, I'd probably expect this year's squad to be 1-2 games better than next years. Of course I see real room for improvement in the WR and QB position next year (and at QB i mean either through Teel's progression or a change there). So maybe it evens out.

How Teel finishes this season will not only affect our success this year, but next year as well. We might go through some more growing pains if we start someone fresh (I think Natale or Lang will get the chance over Lovelace).

From a common sense perspective though I'm living this season up because I realize the way things go in sports this may very well be the best season RU has for another 30 years.

Absofuckinlutely. Have faith.

[Swaggs]

I love the hatred for WVU. I'm not arrogant enough to think our success is going to last forever (or even for very long) with the way college football goes up and down, but I'm enjoying it right now and the fact that people are talking about us and that we are high in the polls and on TV almost every week is great for our program.

Two quick things:

One, WVU won the BCS Sugar Bowl last season. The game lasted four quarters. I get sick of hearing about it. If WVU was good enough to get an insurmountable lead in one quarter, so what? This isn't tennis, where you get a point for winning a quarter or set...you win by outscoring your opponent over four quarters. We beat a very good Georgia team, in Atlanta, and we have a nice, big Sugar Bowl trophy to prove it.

Two, I get sick and tired of hearing about how the three best teams left the Big East. The best team, Miami, left the Big East. Va Tech and (arguably) BC were in a tier below Miami, along with WVU, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh. Virginia Tech, in particular, really turned into a great program over the past 10-12 years and they deserve the respect and prestige that they get, but in their last three seasons that the old Big East was together, Va Tech was 11-10 in conference with two 4th (out of eight teams) and one three-way tie for 3rd place finishes and BC was 10-11 with two 5th place and one three-way tie for 3rd finishes. Boston College never won a a BE title in the old Big East and, I believe, never finished above third place. They did win a share of the BE after VT and Miami left, but it was with three other teams. Va Tech won the BE, outright, once ('99) and shared it two other times. Both teams, without Miami in the Big East, would contend for the top spot in most years, but, make no mistake about it, the Big East's only unrecoverable loss in the ACC-raid was losing Miami. I thiink the fact that Va Tech, coming off of two fourth place finishes in the weak BE, won the mighty ACC in their first season there speaks to the pre-raid strength of each of those conferences.

[Toddzilla]

One, WVU won the BCS Sugar Bowl last season. The game lasted four quarters. I get sick of hearing about it. If WVU was good enough to get an insurmountable lead in one quarter, so what? This isn't tennis, where you get a point for winning a quarter or set...you win by outscoring your opponent over four quarters. We beat a very good Georgia team, in Atlanta, and we have a nice, big Sugar Bowl trophy to prove it.I find that arguement against WVU to be particularly egregious as well. Hell, VT would have a national championship trophy to show if they only counted 3 quarters.

Two, I get sick and tired of hearing about how the three best teams left the Big East. The best team, Miami, left the Big East.
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I thiink the fact that Va Tech, coming off of two fourth place finishes in the weak BE, won the mighty ACC in their first season there speaks to the pre-raid strength of each of those conferences.Well, if not the top 3, then 3 of the top 4 at the very least. And that ridiculously flawed arguement about the relative stregnths of the conferences is beyond laughable. It would be similar to say that - after Miami, BC, and VT left - WVU was able to float to the top of a very weak conference, which speaks to how strong the teams that left were, and how poor the teams left behind are.

Teams change from year to year, as do conferences as a whole.

[Swaggs]

Well, if not the top 3, then 3 of the top 4 at the very least. And that ridiculously flawed arguement about the relative stregnths of the conferences is beyond laughable. It would be similar to say that - after Miami, BC, and VT left - WVU was able to float to the top of a very weak conference, which speaks to how strong the teams that left were, and how poor the teams left behind are.

Teams change from year to year, as do conferences as a whole.

I agree about teams changing from year to year.

WVU was at the top of the conference while those three teams were part of the Big East. In the last two seasons that the old Big East was together, WVU went 12-2 in conference (with two losses to Miami) finishing in 2nd once and tied for 1st. Pittsburgh went 10-4 with two 3rd place finishes. Not taking anything away from VT or BC, but compare that to VT at 7-7 and BC at 6-8 and they clearly were not at the top of the BE at the time they left.

VT had a great run and was arguably the second best team, but Syracuse had more outright Big East titles than any Big East team other than Miami at the time they left. WVU and VT were the only other teams to win outright BE titles (1 undefeated season each).

Realistically, there is no possible way to put BC in the top four of the old Big East. In my opinion, BC will be the only one of the three schools to suffer from the move, as they are not going to get a good share of Southeastern recruits away from the other ACC teams or SEC teams and, I think, they are going to have a tough time developing rivalries and will have trouble recruiting in the Northeast without any local games.

The two Florida schools (Miami and FSU) carried their respective conferences and the fact that they both belong to the ACC makes the ACC the better longterm conference, in my opinion. No other Big East or ACC school had a BCS win until WVU won the Sugar Bowl last season (and FSU only had one BCS win), so it isn't like any of the other schools in either conference had done much to distinguish themselves on a national level since Michael Vick left Blacksburg. In my opinion, WVU and Louisville have the opportunity to do that over the next 5-years. In fact, I think there is a very good chance that the winner of WVU/UofL on Nov. 2 remains undefeated and gets a title shot and a decent chance that the loser gets a BCS at-large bid.

[dawgfan]

I just wanted to point out that Washington is now 4-1. Used to be, that wasn't unusual. Then 2004 and 2005 happened...

This is still a team that, overall, isn't supremely talented and is very thin in some spots (offensive line, secondary). But what they have that they didn't have the last couple of years is confidence - they believe they can win. The numerous close games last year, they lost. They're winning those games so far this year. And they still haven't played a good full 4-quarters of football in any of their games so far.

The Pac-10 is interesting this year - there's one really good team in USC, and they're probably as mortal as they've been in the last 5 years, and two good teams in Cal and (yuck) Oregon. There's one really bad team in Stanford - they could go 0-11 this year. In between is a vast middle class, and the Huskies are proving to be right in the middle of it, possibly the best of that middle class with Arizona State reeling (the Cougs are right there too).

I'm not going to go so far as to pick the Huskies for the upset next week in L.A. against USC, but I think they'll give them a tough game, and at this point I'll be shocked if the Huskies don't go to a bowl game this year.