Can we get the following forums?

[GoldenEagle]

I was wondering if we could get the following forums here at FOFC:

1) OOTP
2) FM
3) EHM
4) Georgia High School sports
5) Every multiplayer league on the Internet
6) XBOX360
7) Wi
8) PS3
9) Dreamcast
10) Poker
11) Ballers, yo!
12) Baseball
13) College Football
14) Terrell Owens
15) Politics
16) St. Louis Cardinals
17) jbmagic

Thanks!

[Desnudo]

How about a nice tall glass of shut up juice?

[VPI97]

18) Whining about FOFC mod decisions

[Mustang]

15) Politics


I'd like to see that one. Usually any political thread turns into 2 or 3 people bickering back and forth anyways..

I don't even stray into POL threads.. its like Gang territory...

[GoldenEagle]

18) Whining about FOFC mod decisions

I am not whinning in this thread. I am just making some suggestions.

[rkmsuf]

19. Reflectoporn

[VPI97]

I am not whinning in this thread. I am just making some suggestions.
I didn't say you were. It just goes on enough here that it deserves it's own special forum.

[Desnudo]

19. Reflectoporn

20. Werewolves: menaces on the road or misunderstood?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Okay, I predict that THIS will not end well.


;)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Okay, I predict that THIS will not end well.
Well, to be fair, it didn't even start well.

[cuervo72]

I am not whinning in this thread.


Neigh.

[panerd]

I was wondering if we could get the following forums here at FOFC:

1) OOTP
2) FM
3) EHM
4) Georgia High School sports
5) Every multiplayer league on the Internet
6) XBOX360
7) Wi
8) PS3
9) Dreamcast
10) Poker
11) Ballers, yo!
12) Baseball
13) College Football
14) Terrell Owens
15) Politics
16) St. Louis Cardinals
17) jbmagic

Thanks!

I think there already is a College Football forum. I am all for the St. Louis Cardinal's forum! (is it for the baseball team or disussion of the old football team?) Make those posts count double.

[Daimyo]

I can't believe that the WW players got their own forum and a small handful (or maybe its only goldenshower doing it?) are actually complaining about it. I figured they would be thrilled.

[cartman]

I think there already is a College Football forum. I am all for the St. Louis Cardinal's forum! Make those posts count double.

There used to be a seperate College Football Forum, but due to lack of posts it was bundled back into the General Discussion Forum. That is the reason there aren't a bunch of seperate forums. If the amount of traffic is there to sustain a subforum, then it will stick around. Otherwise, just leave it in the General Discussion area.

[rkmsuf]

I can't believe that the WW players got their own forum and a small handful are actually complaining about it. I figured they would be thrilled.

werewolfers were the new f'ing elitists

[Poli]

Jim Jensen deserves his own forum.

[Router Help]

18) Postcount complaining/boosting

[Daimyo]

DOLA, is there any way we can keep posts in the Werewolves forum from showing up in the "New Posts" list?

[BrianD]

I can't believe that the WW players got their own forum and a small handful (or maybe its only goldenshower doing it?) are actually complaining about it. I figured they would be thrilled.

Why can't you believe it? None of the WW players asked for their own forum, so why would they be thrilled about being banished to their own forum?

[WSUCougar]

Okay, I predict that THIS will not end well.


;)
That's +1000 posts right there.

Oh, and Golden Eagle, if you think you're being clever, you're not. Just juvenile. Again.

Thanks!

[cuervo72]

"Banished". Like they can't ever visit the GD forum.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jim Jensen deserves his own forum.

Maybe this will do for now:

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/CelebPics/jim_jensen1.jpg

[BrianD]

"Banished". Like they can't ever visit the GD forum.

You are right, they weren't banished...just pushed to the back of the bus.

[GoldenEagle]

I can't believe that the WW players got their own forum and a small handful (or maybe its only goldenshower doing it?) are actually complaining about it. I figured they would be thrilled.

I do not mind the own forum at all. It is just how it was done and the fact that the posts do not count.

[John Galt]

This is just more evidence that the werewolves will never be accepted into the human family. Is it really wrong to be a lyncanthrope? When will the madness end? I call for werewolf solidarity and war on the humans!

[rkmsuf]

That's +1000 posts right there.

Oh, and Golden Eagle, if you think you're being clever, you're not. Just juvenile. Again.

Thanks!

Actually juvenile would be changing the name of the game to "Evil Raccoon" and starting the game thread in General Discussion.

[GoldenEagle]

Oh, and Golden Eagle, if you think you're being clever, you're not. Just juvenile. Again.

It is not the first time and it will not be the last time.

[SirFozzie]

21) People whining about people whining about people whining about the new form (woah, nearly got caught in a recursive loop there!)

[Samdari]

Why can't you believe it? None of the WW players asked for their own forum, so why would they be thrilled about being banished to their own forum?


I am trying to figure out why they care?

Isn't the point to be able to play the game. Which you can still do. How does it improve your experience to have the threads in the general forum?

[JonInMiddleGA]

How does it improve your experience to have the threads in the general forum?

Maybe we're just the audience?

[BrianD]

I am trying to figure out why they care?

Isn't the point to be able to play the game. Which you can still do. How does it improve your experience to have the threads in the general forum?

Most people only hang out in the general forum because that is the only forum that has any real traffic. New people see lots of activity in a thread and they get interested in the game. It also makes it easier for people to pay attention to the WW thread as well as be part of the general population. People can bounce back and forth between the two forums, but it takes extra work and people feel less included.

Previously, I'd stay on the general forum and periodically hit F5 to know if there was a new general topic worth visiting or if there was a WW post to read. Now I have to keep jumping back and forth or not pay attention to one forum. It is an extra hassle that WW players didn't ask for and weren't consulted about. They were just moved.

[rkmsuf]

Maybe we're just the audience?

I never thought werewolf was much of a spectator sport.

[BrianD]

I never thought werewolf was much of a spectator sport.

You might be surprised how many non-participants are often seen in those threads.

[gottimd]

What about a new forum dedicated to Atlanta High School Sports? If there is one thing I am concerned/interested about on a daily basis, that topic would be Atlanta High School Sports.

I'm surprised the DC Media doesn't cover it more.

[sachmo71]

[doctor evil]

how 'bout NO?

[/doctor evil]

[stevew]

22)Duce Staley Sideline Wardrobe Critiques.

[GoldenEagle]

How does it improve your experience to have the threads in the general forum?

How does it hurt to have the experience in general discussion?

[Samdari]

How does it hurt to have the experience in general discussion?

I was not consulted on the decision, so my answer will not help you.

Your post accomplishes nothing towards explaining why having the werewolf games in their own forum diminishes the experience of playing them. Seriously, why?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think I've figured it out! Some of the regular Werewolf players have said that there are only two active Werewolf threads at any given time. In an effort to show that bringing Werewolf back here is better than separating it, there will be more than two threads about Werewolf being gone from GD!

"Look! Instead of having two active Werewolf threads, you now have four threads with complaints! HOW IS THIS BETTER?"

I'm on to you werewolves.

[molson]

I was not consulted on the decision, so my answer will not help you.

Your post accomplishes nothing towards explaining why having the werewolf games in their own forum diminishes the experience of playing them. Seriously, why?

I'm guessing that once all this dies down, WW participation will decrease, and the games that do go on will have less of a balance of players and will consist of mostly the hardcore WW veterans. Which will make the games less interesting and less fun, and will further impact participation.

That's why I'm against the move, not because of any lost post counts.

[Samdari]

the games that do go on will have ... mostly the hardcore WW veterans.

Is that not the case now?

[gottimd]

I am going to directly link to images I find.

Hopefully no one calls me a loser.

[rkmsuf]

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/vh.wolfman.jpg

lol. almost tubgirled the thread.

[MJ4H]

DOLA

Wow, man. Not even freakin close.

:D

[hoopsguy]

Is that not the case now?

In a game with 20 people you will see a core group of 7-10 guys who have played 7+ games. Then there will be a secondary group that have played 2-6 games - they don't sign up for every one, but play when the theme is interesting, mix of players is right, or just have the urge to jump back in. Most games have 1-2 new players, who decide to give it a try after observing a previous game.

The thought here is that the casual observer will not wander over to a new forum to play the games. And that there is a natural attrition of membership over time - for werewolf specifically, for FOFC in general - that is counter-balanced by the addition of new members. That cycle is disrupted.

As someone who plays the games pretty regularly, I like to see new people play because it adds an element of unpredictability. It is fun watching people try to find their comfort zone as they pick up experience from game to game. And it sustains the genre.

The question that has yet to be answered is whether or not people will follow a sign-up thread over to the new Werewolf forum to play. The people who currently enjoy it will, but will we continue to attract those new 1-2 players per game? I don't know, but that is what some of us are a little anxious about.

Outside of that issue, I think a lot of us are excited about having a separate forum.

[cthomer5000]

can i have an option to ignore the werewolf forum?

[gottimd]

can i have an option to ignore the werewolf forum?
sure.

[BrianD]

can i have an option to ignore the werewolf forum?

You've got one built in. It is called "don't fucking look at it".

[Lorena]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed but, how many people complained? I'm guessing anywhere from 5-10, there are about 3 times that amount that play in the WW games, so why go with the minority?

Let me add to that list GE:

-Odd News
-Polls
-Anything else not football related: this is after all Front Office FOOTBALL Central
-Random thoughts

Maybe it's time to update the "General Discussion" description to something other than: General forum to discuss the Front Office Football series, other text sims, and also off-topic discussion. Pretty much anything goes, but keep it civil.. So what exactly does "off-topic discussion" and "pretty much anything goes" mean? Don't WW games fall under the "pretty much anything goes" category? And we all know GD isn't exactly civil either.

It think it's ludicrious people put so much emphasis on what their "title" is to gain "board cred" and those that complained seriously need to look at themselves in the mirror.

I also agree with POL having their own forum because compared to WW threads, they have 4 pages to 2 pages of WW.

[Bee]

You are right, they weren't banished...just pushed to the back of the bus.

That's where all the cool kids sit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The question that has yet to be answered is whether or not people will follow a sign-up thread over to the new Werewolf forum to play. The people who currently enjoy it will, but will we continue to attract those new 1-2 players per game? I don't know, but that is what some of us are a little anxious about.

Well, since you're already worrying anyway ... here's something else to consider.

If you see a decline in the 1-2 new players per game that it might not be related to the forum shift at all, but rather to the image damage done to WW (and its players) by the reaction to the change.

[cthomer5000]

You've got one built in. It is called "don't fucking look at it".

why so hostile?

[stevew]

why so hostile?

He's a werewolf. Duh.

[rkmsuf]

why so hostile?

anti werewolfites

next you'll be saying they should have their own schools

[wade moore]

The longer this goes on I am simply amazed at how personally and seriously some people are taking this.

[BrianD]

why so hostile?

This whole sequence of events is annoying enough, we don't need the extra trolling.

[Poli]

I never thought werewolf was much of a spectator sport.


You may not have, but others, including myself, have.

[ice4277]

The longer this goes on I am simply amazed at how personally and seriously some people are taking this.

I wish my life was so laid back I could get worked up about this kind of thing.

[cthomer5000]

This whole sequence of events is annoying enough, we don't need the extra trolling.

Sorry man, i thought it was time for EVERYONE to grandstand. This place is blowing up lately and I figured i was missing out.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the new forum.

[Lorena]

The longer this goes on I am simply amazed at how personally and seriously some people are taking this.

Join the dark side and you'll see why ;)

[rkmsuf]

You may not have, but others, including myself, have.

That's fine. I don't pretend to get it but to each his own.

[Lorena]

Seiously man, some of you that don't know what WW is about should give it a try. You think the General Forum is addicting, wait 'til you get a little taste of some werewolf games.

[Bee]

I'm disappointed that we don't have a Maximum Football forum. We could even set it up so that when you post it teleports you randomly to another thread! We'd have to add a beer tent though.

[heybrad]

Seiously man, some of you that don't know what WW is about should give it a try.

Michael J Fox would disagree with you.

http://www.new-video.de/co/teen-wolf-1-2.m.jpg

[Raiders Army]

The longer this goes on I am simply amazed at how personally and seriously some people are taking this.

Maybe it's because some people complained about the WW threads and got it changed and now if there are more complaints about post counts than the original complaints about WW threads then that will change as well.

Or it could be that it's the perception that vocal unknown members changed things and vocal known members cannot.

*shrug*

[Eaglesfan27]

I played it for a while and had a good time, before I stopped playing. It was addicting. However, like others here, I find it ridiculous that people complained about the post counts from the game. But, I find it equally ridiculous that hardcore WW players are complaining about losing posts. The content is still there and it is really the games themselves that are so important to WW players, or so I would think.

[wade moore]

Seiously man, some of you that don't know what WW is about should give it a try. You think the General Forum is addicting, wait 'til you get a little taste of some werewolf games.

No thanks. I've checked out the concept, not my bag.

[rkmsuf]

No thanks. I've checked out the concept, not my bag.

Werewolf Games and Me: This sort of thing IS my bag, baby.

By Wade Moore

[JonInMiddleGA]

The content is still there and it is really the games themselves that are so important to WW players, or so I would think.

Judging from the reaction, I'd say that's not the case.

[Bee]

I played it for a while and had a good time, before I stopped playing. It was addicting. However, like others here, I find it ridiculous that people complained about the post counts from the game. But, I find it equally ridiculous that hardcore WW players are complaining about losing posts. The content is still there and it is really the games themselves that are so important to WW players, or so I would think.

I just looked at your post count....damn doc! ;)

[wade moore]

Werewolf Games and Me: This sort of thing IS my bag, baby.

By Wade Moore

I'm going to copy and paste an IM I sent to a fellow FOFCer today:

[13:51] wade moore: I think rksmuf can be pretty damned funny.. if he'd tone down the quantity and focus on quality, he'd be one of the funniest fofcers
This is an example of quality, pure quality.

[BrianD]

I played it for a while and had a good time, before I stopped playing. It was addicting. However, like others here, I find it ridiculous that people complained about the post counts from the game. But, I find it equally ridiculous that hardcore WW players are complaining about losing posts. The content is still there and it is really the games themselves that are so important to WW players, or so I would think.

I still think the bigger argument is that the lack of visibility will hurt the game. Of course the other argument is that SkyDog has basically endorsed the concept that post counts mean something since he made his move specifically to cater to those complaining about inflated post counts.

I didn't think that counts meant anything before, but now if feels like they do.

[rkmsuf]

I'm going to copy and paste an IM I sent to a fellow FOFCer today:


This is an example of quality, pure quality.

People are talking.





I'm blushing.

[Raiders Army]

I'm going to copy and paste an IM I sent to a fellow FOFCer today:


This is an example of quality, pure quality.

I think part of rkmsuf's charm is his quick wit that is better in short quips.

[Lorena]

I realized that the people who complained ARE the werewolves and must be sought and either jailed, or lynched.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just looked at your post count....damn doc! ;)

I know your kidding, but I just want to say, I honestly don't care about my post count. A lot of my posts came through my FM 05 dynasty. If those posts suddenly don't count, it does nothing to diminish my joy that I had in playing that dynasty nor that I had in writing it. I'm sure it doesn't diminish the enjoyment of those who read it either. I honestly don't care if my post count is at 0. I hope people would judge me by much more than my post count.

[Lorena]

dola,

Vote post count complainers

[Lorena]

or I'll be happy with jailing Skydog

Vote jail Skydog be careful dropping the soap SD, or anything for that matter.

;)

[BrianD]

I played it for a while and had a good time, before I stopped playing. It was addicting. However, like others here, I find it ridiculous that people complained about the post counts from the game. But, I find it equally ridiculous that hardcore WW players are complaining about losing posts. The content is still there and it is really the games themselves that are so important to WW players, or so I would think.

Given your profession, I'm surprised you don't have a bit more insight here. Tell a group of people that you don't like what they are doing and you don't like they way they are being visually represented and you don't think they will have an adverse reaction to that? Even if the games themselves are what is important, you don't think being singled out and being told to "go play in the corner" isn't going to have an affect?

[Poli]

I try not to judge people, unless it's one person in particular. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

I still think the bigger argument is that the lack of visibility will hurt the game. Of course the other argument is that SkyDog has basically endorsed the concept that post counts mean something since he made his move specifically to cater to those complaining about inflated post counts.

I didn't think that counts meant anything before, but now if feels like they do.

I think this thread and the threads like it have significantly enhanced the visibility of the game. Furthermore, I think having a werewolf forum enhances the visibility of the game. Everytime, someone goes to the main forum page, they will see that forum. Before, the game usually only consisted of 2 or 3 threads at a time, now I think it is more visible. I'm sure that those who wish to will check it out.

[BrianD]

Sorry man, i thought it was time for EVERYONE to grandstand. This place is blowing up lately and I figured i was missing out.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the new forum.

Trolling != Grandstanding

[wade moore]

Given your profession, I'm surprised you don't have a bit more insight here. Tell a group of people that you don't like what they are doing and you don't like they way they are being visually represented and you don't think they will have an adverse reaction to that? Even if the games themselves are what is important, you don't think being singled out and being told to "go play in the corner" isn't going to have an affect?


In fairness that is more a question for Sociology than Psychology ;)...

[cartman]

I'm going to copy and paste an IM I sent to a fellow FOFCer today:

I put on my robe and wizard hat...




:eek:

[Pumpy Tudors]

I do not have moderator approval on this, but I have sent a PM to one lucky member of FOFC. I call this board member the "Silver Bullet." The Silver Bullet will start a thread sometime before the end of the week and will nominate a regular Werewolf player to go into the penalty box. Then the Werewolf player will be boxed for a week.

If the mods do not approve the Silver Bullet idea, I will post a thread by the end of the week that contains 25 new pictures of myself. It's win-win.

[wade moore]

:eek:

:cool:

[Eaglesfan27]

Given your profession, I'm surprised you don't have a bit more insight here. Tell a group of people that you don't like what they are doing and you don't like they way they are being visually represented and you don't think they will have an adverse reaction to that? Even if the games themselves are what is important, you don't think being singled out and being told to "go play in the corner" isn't going to have an affect?

It only has a psychological effect if you as a WW player allow it to affect you.

[wade moore]

It only has a psychological effect if you as a WW player allow it to affect you.

See, that's the psychologists answer...

*pulls out his Sociology Major gloves ready for the timeless Sociology vs. Psychology battle*

[Poli]

I do not have moderator approval on this, but I have sent a PM to one lucky member of FOFC. I call this board member the "Silver Bullet." The Silver Bullet will start a thread sometime before the end of the week and will nominate a regular Werewolf player to go into the penalty box. Then the Werewolf player will be boxed for a week.

If the mods do not approve the Silver Bullet idea, I will post a thread by the end of the week that contains 25 new pictures of myself. It's win-win.
I've got my fingers crossed. :)

[BrianD]

I think this thread and the threads like it have significantly enhanced the visibility of the game. Furthermore, I think having a werewolf forum enhances the visibility of the game. Everytime, someone goes to the main forum page, they will see that forum. Before, the game usually only consisted of 2 or 3 threads at a time, now I think it is more visible. I'm sure that those who wish to will check it out.

I agree that threads like this have enhanced the visibility, but probably not in a positive way.

I don't know how other people do things, but I never go to the main forum page. I go straight to the GD and stay there because other forums don't interest me, and they get very little traffic. If you don't have a specific reason to go to another forum and you aren't brand new to this board, I doubt most people even look around that much. Even if you do notice the forum, I don't see it having the same impact as seeing 1 thread often near the top of the general forum. High traffic like that enhances visibility and lets people know that there is something to see there.

[BrianD]

It only has a psychological effect if you as a WW player allow it to affect you.

Should I have changed that to say "given your background/training"? Seriously, I'm not taking a shot at you or your profession. I have very much respect for both. It just surprised me that you wouldn't see this kind of reaction as being fairly normal.

[RendeR]

That's where all the cool kids sit.


No cool kids in the back of the SHORT bus.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I should note that my "25 Pumpy Pics" thread might go into the Werewolf forum, so only about 20 people would see it.

[wade moore]

Should I have changed that to say "given your background/training"? Seriously, I'm not taking a shot at you or your profession. I have very much respect for both. It just surprised me that you wouldn't see this kind of reaction as being fairly normal.

EF's response is actually exactly the kind of response I would expect. And I don't mean that in a negative way.

[dawgfan]

If the mods do not approve the Silver Bullet idea, I will post a thread by the end of the week that contains 25 new pictures of myself. It's win-win.
Yay! New Pumpy Pics!

[Toddzilla]

why so hostile?He's got a right to be hostile, man, his people's being persecuted!

[rkmsuf]

He's got a right to be hostile, man, his people's being persecuted!

Bring the noise!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Yay! New Pumpy Pics!
Wait, are you saying that the Silver Bullet idea won't get approved?

What have I gotten myself into? :confused:

[BrianD]

EF's response is actually exactly the kind of response I would expect. And I don't mean that in a negative way.

Ok...so I was wrong in thinking that his background would give him insight into reactions for this sort of thing?

[wade moore]

Ok...so I was wrong in thinking that his background would give him insight into reactions for this sort of thing?

*sigh*.. you need to take a deep breath ;)...

You were wrong to think a psychiatrist would speak about how a group reacts in a certain situation. You should expect a psychiatrist to speak about how an individual is effected and what they can do to improve their happiness.

I was somewhat joking with the sociology vs. pscyhiatry... but seriously... the question you're asking is the kind of question the field of sociology addresses whereas pscyhiatry addresses much more the individual level and how for someone to more appropriately respond in a situation.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What have I gotten myself into? :confused:

Don't try that misdirection Mister. We know your game.
You'll post 1 pic 25x in order to weasel out.

You got to get up prettttty early in the morning to fool me.

[BrianD]

*sigh*.. you need to take a deep breath ;)...

You were wrong to think a psychiatrist would speak about how a group reacts in a certain situation. You should expect a psychiatrist to speak about how an individual is effected and what they can do to improve their happiness.

I was somewhat joking with the sociology vs. pscyhiatry... but seriously... the question you're asking is the kind of question the field of sociology addresses whereas pscyhiatry addresses much more the individual level and how for someone to more appropriately respond in a situation.

There was no anger in my previous post. I understood that I probably had an assumption wrong somewhere and was just trying to figure out where it was. Really, I was just looking for a patient explanation of where I had gone wrong, and you just gave it to me. Thank you.

EF27, I apologize for singling you out. I thought this kind of thing matched your field of expertise but I now see the error in my thinking. Please forgive my ignorance. I truly meant no offense.

Would anyone like to tackly my initial point from a sociological point of view? :)

[wade moore]

Would anyone like to tackly my initial point from a sociological point of view? :)

Yes, the reaction from the WW group was definately something that should have been expected.

there you go ;)...

But seriously... For a more detailed response, I'll have to dig through my Organizational Psychology book as I think it addressed similar issues.

[rkmsuf]

Yes, the reaction from the WW group was definately something that should have been expected.

there you go ;)...

But seriously... For a more detailed response, I'll have to dig through my Organizational Psychology book as I think it addressed similar issues.

Shouldn't that be discussed in the werewolf forum?

[BrianD]

Yes, the reaction from the WW group was definately something that should have been expected.

there you go ;)...

But seriously... For a more detailed response, I'll have to dig through my Organizational Psychology book as I think it addressed similar issues.

Um...thanks? :)

I think I've finally lost track of my original point. Basically I think arguments about post counts are missing the underlying issues. People may use that as one of their arguments, but that really isn't the root of the discontent...even if it might play a small role.

[wade moore]

Um...thanks? :)

I think I've finally lost track of my original point. Basically I think arguments about post counts are missing the underlying issues. People may use that as one of their arguments, but that really isn't the root of the discontent...even if it might play a small role.

I think you're saying that people who are surprised that the WW players being involuntarily segregated would be upset is stupid. That this is a normal, expected reaction to being treated that way.

which, I agree with.

[dawgfan]

Yes, the reaction from the WW group was definately something that should have been expected.
I'll expand a bit on this - in a general sense, this kind of reaction from the community would be expected. Given the particular context though - moving threads for a game on an internet forum, etc. - the level of response is perhaps surprising.

Or, maybe not - maybe the majority of WW players are only mildly upset or not upset at all, and there's just a small vocal few that are complaining the loudest and the most.

[WSUCougar]

*pulls out his Sociology Major gloves ready for the timeless Sociology vs. Psychology battle*
*pulls out his History Major vomit bag, remembering that he had to take both Psych 101 and Soc 101 as part of his core classes in college*

[sabotai]

If you see a decline in the 1-2 new players per game that it might not be related to the forum shift at all, but rather to the image damage done to WW (and its players) by the reaction to the change.

I die a little on the inside every time I'm forced to agree with Jon....so thank you all for that.

Seriously though, I do go to the main forum page, so having WW in a seperate forum increases its visibility to me. The same thing happened with Hattrick. I didn't try that until it was in its own forum. Having just the threads in GD means I oftan just skip them, or miss them as they fall to page 2 and whatnot. Having a subforum means I see it everytime I come to the board. I have thought of trying WW...but I got to be honest, I'm am a little put off from the reaction.

And can I get a seperate forum for my Pick'em game? Seriously, I'm tired of people asking for the standings. If I had my own forum, I could just sticky them to the top and not be bugged about it. And we could have strategy discussions, and maybe even possible alternate versions of the game.....ok seriously, give me my own subforum!

[Lathum]

Well, since you're already worrying anyway ... here's something else to consider.

If you see a decline in the 1-2 new players per game that it might not be related to the forum shift at all, but rather to the image damage done to WW (and its players) by the reaction to the change.

I'm not sure if you are joking or not but this statement is pretty ignorant.

[BrianD]

I think you're saying that people who are surprised that the WW players being involuntarily segregated would be upset is stupid. That this is a normal, expected reaction to being treated that way.

which, I agree with.

Well, I don't think that the people who are surprised are stupid. The rest sounds about right though. :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Don't try that misdirection Mister. We know your game.
You'll post 1 pic 25x in order to weasel out.

You got to get up prettttty early in the morning to fool me.
That sounds like a challenge, mister!

[wade moore]

Well, I don't think that the people who are surprised are stupid. The rest sounds about right though. :)

Yeah, hyperbole.. ;)

[BrianD]

Yeah, hyperbole.. ;)

Right. :)

It just seems like people are arguing around the outside of the issue with things like post counts and such.

[BrianD]

I'll expand a bit on this - in a general sense, this kind of reaction from the community would be expected. Given the particular context though - moving threads for a game on an internet forum, etc. - the level of response is perhaps surprising.

Or, maybe not - maybe the majority of WW players are only mildly upset or not upset at all, and there's just a small vocal few that are complaining the loudest and the most.

Judging by reactions to previous boxings/bannings, no level of outrage around here should be surprising. :D

[spleen1015]

What I see as an issue with the WW move to a seperate forum is how things happened. It was suggested by 1 or 2 people that it get moved and posts not count. So, it happened.

Over the last couple of years, I have seen it suggested many, many times that political discussion get a seperate forum and it hasn't happened. There are more political threads 'clogging' up the main forum than WW threads, so why not?

I just think things are a little selective in this regard.

**DISCLAIMER** - I don't read every thread, so I don't know how often a WW only forum has been suggested.

EDIT - spelling

[Eaglesfan27]

There was no anger in my previous post. I understood that I probably had an assumption wrong somewhere and was just trying to figure out where it was. Really, I was just looking for a patient explanation of where I had gone wrong, and you just gave it to me. Thank you.

EF27, I apologize for singling you out. I thought this kind of thing matched your field of expertise but I now see the error in my thinking. Please forgive my ignorance. I truly meant no offense.

Would anyone like to tackly my initial point from a sociological point of view? :)

I wasn't offended at all. No need to apologize. I just had to run off and see a patient. I've taken a course in sociology during college, and can understand both view points. I just find the level of (what appears to me to be) outrage to be disproportionate to the action, and not conducive to individual happiness. Essentially, Wade Moore nailed it. I have a healthy respect for sociology as well as psychology, and don't wish to enter into that battle either. :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm not sure if you are joking or not but this statement is pretty ignorant.

Just out of curiosity ... did you form that opinion before Sabotai agreed with me, or after?

FTR, I was being completely serious. My feelings about WW have changed significantly in the aftermath, and it's not a change for the better.

[BrianD]

Just out of curiosity ... did you form that opinion before Sabotai agreed with me, or after?

FTR, I was being completely serious. My feelings about WW have changed significantly in the aftermath, and it's not a change for the better.

I may be mis-remembering, but weren't you generally fairly anti-WW anyway?

[Chief Rum]

DOLA, is there any way we can keep posts in the Werewolves forum from showing up in the "New Posts" list?

Wow, that might be the worst dola of all time. There were four posts between your first and second.

[wade moore]

I wasn't offended at all. No need to apologize. I just had to run off and see a patient. I've taken a course in sociology during college, and can understand both view points. I just find the level of (what appears to me to be) outrage to be disproportionate to the action, and not conducive to individual happiness. Essentially, Wade Moore nailed it. I have a healthy respect for sociology as well as psychology, and don't wish to enter into that battle either. :)

fwiw, the psych vs. soc thing was always to me just a running joke as I ran through the sociology program at my school. There was no real dislike either way... but the distinction between the two I think is one that is often hard to make/explain if you're not intimately familiar with one or the other.

[Coffee Warlord]

Or, maybe not - maybe the majority of WW players are only mildly upset or not upset at all, and there's just a small vocal few that are complaining the loudest and the most.

Upset? Not really. Think the decision is utterly retarded? Yep. Think bitching about it is going to accomplish anything? Nope.

[stevew]

23) Discussions about what sportsdigs is.

[Vince]

*pulls out his History Major vomit bag, remembering that he had to take both Psych 101 and Soc 101 as part of his core classes in college*

I knew there was a reason we got along.

*straightens History BA Diploma on the wall*

[Lathum]

Just out of curiosity ... did you form that opinion before Sabotai agreed with me, or after?

FTR, I was being completely serious. My feelings about WW have changed significantly in the aftermath, and it's not a change for the better.

before.

I think peoples responses shows they are passionate about something and don't like to be told they are "less important"

The biggest problem I have with this whole thing is that it is giving people like HA a chance to tee off on WW players when they have done nothing wrong.

People are saying they can't believe the outrage this has caused with WW players but there are plenty of people on the other side of the fence fueling the fire as well, all we are doing is defending out point while getting shit on.

[Lathum]

dola- FWIW I don't think SD anticipated the backlash this would create and I think judging by the general attitudes from both sides are that he made a mistake.

The WW players have obviously made their point and the majority of people who don't play have said they could care less about the threads being in GD.

We have yet to hear from ONE PERSON willing to say they complained to SD about this, if there were so many complaints where are the people who were making them?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I may be mis-remembering, but weren't you generally fairly anti-WW anyway?

Must be misremembering.

I was an occasional lurker, and had an expressed a "someday I probably ought to give this a try" sentiment.

[JonInMiddleGA]

all we are doing is defending out point while getting shit on.

In all seriousness, I think that all that's being accomplished at this stage is generating animosity toward WW in general.

[Pumpy Tudors]

In all seriousness, I think that all that's being accomplished at this stage is generating animosity toward WW in general.
I agree with this.

[stevew]

In all seriousness, I think that all that's being accomplished at this stage is generating animosity toward WW in general.

Yes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Pumpy & dubb, you better be careful.
You may find yourselves labeled as "ignorant".

[st.cronin]

Is that not the case now?

I haven't finished the thread but this is definitely not the case. Almost every game has at least one new player.

[Scarecrow]

Here's a novel idea...

Why don't the warewolf people get their own message board?

[Pumpy Tudors]

why dont the werewolf people get their own internet lol

[st.cronin]

I think this thread and the threads like it have significantly enhanced the visibility of the game. Furthermore, I think having a werewolf forum enhances the visibility of the game. Everytime, someone goes to the main forum page, they will see that forum. Before, the game usually only consisted of 2 or 3 threads at a time, now I think it is more visible. I'm sure that those who wish to will check it out.

I agree with this. I think the new forum could be good for the game.

[BrianD]

Must be misremembering.

I was an occasional lurker, and had an expressed a "someday I probably ought to give this a try" sentiment.

Ok, sorry. I am recently returned to the game after a long break and I don't remember all of the pro/anti/ambivalent WW folks. I'll swallow any snarky comments I was thinking about making. :)

[Chief Rum]

hoopsguy put it best earlier in this thread, IMO.

I think the new forum could be a tremendous opportunity for WW games and players, but I am anxious to see if we have problems bringing on new players because we're out of the way now.

[st.cronin]

Must be misremembering.

I was an occasional lurker, and had an expressed a "someday I probably ought to give this a try" sentiment.

I am going to invite you to play in the next game I host. I hope you keep an open mind.

[SnDvls]

I'm waiting for someone to start a WW Dynasty thread.

j/k

this coming from someone who can't keep a dynasty going and has played in a few WW games as well.

[WSUCougar]

I am going to invite you to play in the next game I host. I hope you keep an open mind.
It sounds like you're talking about an orgy or something. :eek:

[Joe]

why dont the werewolf people get their own internet lol

:)

[Abe Sargent]

I think I've figured it out! Some of the regular Werewolf players have said that there are only two active Werewolf threads at any given time. In an effort to show that bringing Werewolf back here is better than separating it, there will be more than two threads about Werewolf being gone from GD!

"Look! Instead of having two active Werewolf threads, you now have four threads with complaints! HOW IS THIS BETTER?"

I'm on to you werewolves.

Hilarious - I really laughed at this one

[jbmagic]

Lets put a silver bullet into this Werewolf talk. :)

[Groundhog]

Lets put a silver bullet into this Werewolf talk. :)

BAM.

[Poli]

I'm waiting for someone to start a WW Dynasty thread.

j/k

this coming from someone who can't keep a dynasty going and has played in a few WW games as well.


Seriously, I was going to start one based on this current game. Kind of an outsider looking in's point of view. See if I could tell who was who. I decided to shelve it last night when I saw all this stuff going on.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Shit, I have something to confess. I sent the Silver Bullet PM to jbmagic, and he can't start new threads.

Sorry.

[SnDvls]

Seriously, I was going to start one based on this current game. Kind of an outsider looking in's point of view. See if I could tell who was who. I decided to shelve it last night when I saw all this stuff going on.

I think it would be interesting..go for it. then when you are in a game someone else who isn't can continue it.

[Schmidty]

Can we possibly stop bumping this, in an attempt to save any remote semblance of self-respect we WWers still have left?

[Schmidty]

Ah FUCK!!!!!!!!! I just bumped it myself. :(

[Poli]

I think it would be interesting..go for it. then when you are in a game someone else who isn't can continue it.

I still have the write up, I'll consider it. The idea is/was not to post any of it until after the game resolved.

[saldana]

Shit, I have something to confess. I sent the Silver Bullet PM to jbmagic, and he can't start new threads.

Sorry.


really...SD took that button away too?!!!!!!

[Poli]

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