View Full Version : Ding! Dong! The Mets Are Dead!
RedKingGold
09-28-2006, 08:07 PM
Just saw scrolling along the Bottom Line on ESPN that Pedro Martinez (calf) will miss the ENTIRE postseason.
Makes this Phillie's fan happy!
:)
k0ruptr
09-28-2006, 08:13 PM
Umm with the way hes been pitching, I think this is a good thing. for the mets. lol
DeToxRox
09-28-2006, 08:19 PM
El Duque and Glavine are there 1-2. Yeah they're done.
Especially if the Phillies find a way in and the Stros win the Central.
jeff061
09-28-2006, 08:30 PM
So now the cycle is complete. We have Red Sox fans cheer when he wasn't resigned, second guessing when he had a suprisingly good year and in "told you so" mode now that the inevitable has happened. If only the Sox didn't suck so much this year, this dynamic would have been so much more potent.
bhlloy
09-28-2006, 08:47 PM
Just saw scrolling along the Bottom Line on ESPN that Pedro Martinez (calf) will miss the ENTIRE postseason.
Makes this Phillie's fan happy!
:)
Not sure why it is going to affect the Phillies :D
Shkspr
09-28-2006, 09:06 PM
Just saw scrolling along the Bottom Line on ESPN that Pedro Martinez (calf) will miss the ENTIRE postseason.
Makes this Phillie's fan happy!
:)
It takes a Philadelphia soprts fan to cheer an injury.
Mets fan here, and I wouldn't say they are done just yet. Obviously, they aren't at as much of an advantage as they once were, but even with Pedro out, who in the NL would have a better shot? Not saying they are gonna make the WS, but Pedro or no Pedro, they have just as good a chance as anyone. Only team I would be worried about is the Astros so I pray King Albert can get his team to the playoffs.
General Mike
09-28-2006, 09:56 PM
The NL sucks as a whole. Whoever wins it is gonna lose the WS in 4 games.
cuervo72
09-28-2006, 10:15 PM
Not sure why it is going to affect the Phillies :D
Seriously...Phillies fans (and I am one) should not be deluding themselves into thinking the Phils are making the playoffs...
ISiddiqui
09-28-2006, 10:26 PM
Seeing that Pedro went 9-8 this season, I don't think he was all that integral to their success this year.
Seeing that Pedro went 9-8 this season, I don't think he was all that integral to their success this year.
agreed. They have the "O" to hang around, so im not counting them out quite yet
MUNS
Lathum
09-28-2006, 10:51 PM
this makes me sick, they bought him in 3 years ago just to pitch the next month and he is out, it's horrible, they should have traded for Zito or Oswalt when they had the chance.
Ksyrup
09-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Their bigger problem is that the "O" has been dead for about a month. They're hitting .239 and are ranked 28th in the majors in runs scored for the month of September. We'll see if they can suddenly turn it on starting next week.
ISiddiqui
09-28-2006, 11:19 PM
this makes me sick, they bought him in 3 years ago just to pitch the next month and he is out, it's horrible, they should have traded for Zito or Oswalt when they had the chance.
I guess that all depends on how Milledge turns out ;).
cartman
09-28-2006, 11:58 PM
Seeing that Pedro went 9-8 this season, I don't think he was all that integral to their success this year.
Exactly. The Mets went 11-12 in game he started this season, 82-53 in all the rest.
RedKingGold
09-29-2006, 04:41 AM
Seriously...Phillies fans (and I am one) should not be deluding themselves into thinking the Phils are making the playoffs...
Oh, I do know this. As a Philadelphia sports fan, I'm used to our team not showing up in the clutch (like this week).
However, we also take joy in our rivals misery. I never actually expected the Phils to make the playoffs, but it does make me happy to think that the stupid Mets and their bloated payroll can't just waltz to the World Series.
Mets and their bloated payroll can't just waltz to the World Series.
It's not as if the Phillies are working on a 20M payroll themselves.
Desnudo
09-29-2006, 12:02 PM
Philadelphia, celebrating player injuries since, well forever.
M GO BLUE!!!
09-30-2006, 07:57 PM
Just saw scrolling along the Bottom Line on ESPN that Pedro Martinez (calf) will miss the ENTIRE postseason.
Makes this Phillie's fan happy!
:)
I saw something today that made a few Mets fans happy...
Ding! Dong! Philadelphia's Dead!
Enjoy watching the postseason, where it appears the Mets & Yanks will try to one-up each other on the injury list!
I'm pretty drunk, which is usually when the whole honesty deal comes out. I'm glad the Phillies and Astros aren't gonna make the playoffs. IMO the Mets have just as good a chance of making the WS. I'm actually sorry to say that the Padres have the best shot since they have the "pitching". I do, however, think the Mets have the lineup to outhit whatever NL playoff teams pitching staff can throw at them, but come WS time, if they make it, its not looking so good. I can't remember the last time the NL was so weak that it was pretty much a givem the AL was gonna take it all. And the only pitching staff the AL has that I would call it a day with, is the Twins. I really think, although pitching and defense wins championships, it's anyones Series this yr.
clintl
09-30-2006, 09:54 PM
The NL sucks as a whole. Whoever wins it is gonna lose the WS in 4 games.
You are forgetting that an 82-79 team once took a defending world champion to a World Series Game 7.
SackAttack
09-30-2006, 09:55 PM
I do, however, think the Mets have the lineup to outhit whatever NL playoff teams pitching staff can throw at them
1988. Great pitching will beat great hitting nearly every time. Dodgers came in with a punch-hitting offense, took the Mets in 7 and the A's in 5.
If their rotation is weak, and the Padres or Dodgers' rotations play to form, the Mets are in serious trouble. Signs of life from their offense will help, but they aren't going to win very many 1-0 or 2-1 games this postseason, IMO.
1988. Great pitching will beat great hitting nearly every time. Dodgers came in with a punch-hitting offense, took the Mets in 7 and the A's in 5.
If their rotation is weak, and the Padres or Dodgers' rotations play to form, the Mets are in serious trouble. Signs of life from their offense will help, but they aren't going to win very many 1-0 or 2-1 games this postseason, IMO.
Very true, and I agree 100%, but I really dont think the Padres or Dodgers staff is that good to shut a team down. POSSIBLY, the Padres, and I emphasize possibly, bc I feel they have the best staff in the NL, but I honestly dont think its good enough to shut down a high powered offense.
Crapshoot
09-30-2006, 10:09 PM
So, at this point - one has to root for the Padres right ?
SackAttack
09-30-2006, 10:13 PM
Very true, and I agree 100%, but I really dont think the Padres or Dodgers staff is that good to shut a team down. POSSIBLY, the Padres, and I emphasize possibly, bc I feel they have the best staff in the NL, but I honestly dont think its good enough to shut down a high powered offense.
Dodgers recently split four with the Mets in New York.
They lost 7-0 in the opener, then won 5-0, lost 3-2, and won 9-1.
By my count, that's a 1.00 ERA in the three games outside of the opener, and that's from the Dodger pitching staff, which is not "the best staff in the NL."
So you're going to tell me that the Padres aren't capable of shutting the Mets down in 3 out of 5?
Logan
09-30-2006, 10:17 PM
Dodgers recently split four with the Mets in New York.
They lost 7-0 in the opener, then won 5-0, lost 3-2, and won 9-1.
By my count, that's a 1.00 ERA in the three games outside of the opener, and that's from the Dodger pitching staff, which is not "the best staff in the NL."
So you're going to tell me that the Padres aren't capable of shutting the Mets down in 3 out of 5?
If the Dodgers throw Penny-Maddux-Lowe as their starters against the Mets, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a game 4. They'll destroy that right-handed pitching.
The 0 and 1 in the games you noted above were the amount of runs the Mets scored in the 2 games started by LA's young lefties, which happened at a time that the Mets couldn't hit a lefty at all. I'm guessing Little isn't going to use them to start a game, and if he doesn't, it's a mistake.
Don't get me wrong, they most certainley can shut them down, but just as easily as the Mets can shut them down. Take my word for it or not, I've watched the Mets all yr, and IMO there is no staff that can shut them down unless they just aren't hitting. My point is, there really is no advantage for any one team in the NL. It's all gonna come down to whoever showed up to play. If the Mets lineup is firing on all cylinders I think they will make the Series, if the Dodgers or Padres staff are playing the best baseball, one of them will make it. It's pretty much a coin flip who's gonna take the NL. Although I am a huge Mets fan, I really think it's gonna come down to their lineup bc there just isnt a pitching staff that is dominant in the NL. I've seen the Mets throughout the season handle themselves against the Padres and Dodgers, as well as the Cardinals.
MrBug708
09-30-2006, 11:38 PM
If the Dodgers throw Penny-Maddux-Lowe as their starters against the Mets, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a game 4. They'll destroy that right-handed pitching.
The 0 and 1 in the games you noted above were the amount of runs the Mets scored in the 2 games started by LA's young lefties, which happened at a time that the Mets couldn't hit a lefty at all. I'm guessing Little isn't going to use them to start a game, and if he doesn't, it's a mistake.
You think Little is going to sit one of three pitchers who have won a WS titles as starting pitchers for their respective clubs at the time in favor of kids who have seen very little ML time?
SackAttack
10-01-2006, 01:56 AM
If the Dodgers throw Penny-Maddux-Lowe as their starters against the Mets, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a game 4. They'll destroy that right-handed pitching.
The 0 and 1 in the games you noted above were the amount of runs the Mets scored in the 2 games started by LA's young lefties, which happened at a time that the Mets couldn't hit a lefty at all. I'm guessing Little isn't going to use them to start a game, and if he doesn't, it's a mistake.
I expect Kuo to start a game, but the way the rotation matches up right now, we'll see Lowe in game one. That heavy sinker might be enough to get the job done if the defense is in good form behind him.
Eric Stults is pitching tomorrow, so I don't expect to see him in the NLDS.
I'm curious here. I think we could see something like Lowe, Penny, Kuo, Maddux, Lowe as our rotation in the NLDS, depending on how the games shape up. If the Dodgers are down 0-2, I see him going to Maddux ahead of the rookie, but if it's 1-1 going into game 3, I think he takes his chances with Kuo to give Maddux the extra day of rest.
I think what works in the Mets' favor isn't the handedness of the pitcher, but the fact that our bullpen is very young, and our team has been "consistently inconsistent" this season.
Mets are vulnerable, and even (dare I say) beatable. I don't know who they'll face yet or how it'll match up, but "destroy" is a word far too strong to use with any team in these NL playoffs.
Logan
10-01-2006, 09:48 AM
You think Little is going to sit one of three pitchers who have won a WS titles as starting pitchers for their respective clubs at the time in favor of kids who have seen very little ML time?
That's my point -- he won't. Which is something the Mets will eat up.
Logan
10-01-2006, 09:55 AM
I expect Kuo to start a game, but the way the rotation matches up right now, we'll see Lowe in game one. That heavy sinker might be enough to get the job done if the defense is in good form behind him.
Eric Stults is pitching tomorrow, so I don't expect to see him in the NLDS.
I'm curious here. I think we could see something like Lowe, Penny, Kuo, Maddux, Lowe as our rotation in the NLDS, depending on how the games shape up. If the Dodgers are down 0-2, I see him going to Maddux ahead of the rookie, but if it's 1-1 going into game 3, I think he takes his chances with Kuo to give Maddux the extra day of rest.
I think that would be the Dodgers' best bet. No need to start a rookie on the road in the playoffs. I know he pitched great at Shea a few weeks ago, but this will be a different environment than a meaningless (to the Mets) regular season game.
I think what works in the Mets' favor isn't the handedness of the pitcher, but the fact that our bullpen is very young, and our team has been "consistently inconsistent" this season.
Absolutely. The Met bullpen is probably the 2nd best in baseball, and there's plenty of question marks for LA's. If this is what decides the series, I'm not worried.
Mets are vulnerable, and even (dare I say) beatable. I don't know who they'll face yet or how it'll match up, but "destroy" is a word far too strong to use with any team in these NL playoffs.
Sure, they're beatable in the sense that Trachsel and Maine could be terrible. But I don't think that will happen. I'll stand by my "destroy" comment because if they do end up trotting out Penny and Maddux in games 2 and 3, they don't worry me in the slightest.
Chubby
10-04-2006, 06:21 PM
Ding Dong the Mets are up 1-0 :D
Logan
10-04-2006, 06:40 PM
There's really nothing like playoff baseball. I love playoff hockey, but there's something still different about baseball.
I'll be at Shea tomorrow night for my 1st playoff game since Game 4 of the 2000 NLCS vs. the Cardinals (of course, the only game they lost). Can't wait.
Chubby
10-07-2006, 10:23 PM
What a great day, Yankees are done and the Mets lead the series 2-0 and lead game 3 9-5 ATM in the 8th.
ISiddiqui
10-08-2006, 12:09 AM
The whole Mets being dead stuff... that was a bit... premature, huh? ;)
Logan
10-08-2006, 01:11 AM
Well, that wasn't so hard now was it.
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