Lost: Season 3

[kingfc22]

The new season begins in 2 days and I am very excited to see whta is going to happen to Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Also, will Hurley really go back to the camp and not mention anything? How many new bunkers will we find this season? I have so many more questions that I'd like to see answered.

So let the crazy theories begin...

[jbmagic]

Should put spoliers warning in the thread title.

So we can talk about spoilers in here too.

[Cringer]

Yeah, the spoilers warning thing is retarded.

And why would Hurley not mention anything? They told him tell everyone they were not supposed to bother them I thougt.

Anyways, just saw all of season two a few weeks ago and it was great. An added bonus was it really got the wife into the show too. So now she may be recording the shows for me tis season as she watches them.

[kingfc22]

Yeah, the spoilers warning thing is retarded.

And why would Hurley not mention anything? They told him tell everyone they were not supposed to bother them I thougt.

Hrmm, I thought I remembered them telling him to not mention anything, but I could very well be wrong as I have not seen the finale in awhile.

[TazFTW]

Hrmm, I thought I remembered them telling him to not mention anything, but I could very well be wrong as I have not seen the finale in awhile.

I watched the finale on DVD yesterday and they tell him to tell the camp not to come here.

[Swaggs]

It will be interesting to see if the show's best season (or seasons) of Lost are behind us. I still thought it was very good last year, but I can see it going downhill in a hurry if the stretch it for too much longer.

[Coop]

The writers said at Comic Con they plan on ending the show at season 5. Who knows if that's true..the only thing I want this season is Locke to return to his season 1 self.

[spleen1015]

If all of the spoilers I've read turn out to be true, we're in for some interesting happenings.

[Anthony]

i think American tv shows need to adopt the HBO format - shows that don't drag on and go out on the top instead of crawling away in a whimper. if the plot/premise of your show is only good enough to sustain 4, maybe 5 seasons - then end it. don't continue it just cuz of ratings. this show will implode on itself if it goes on until the ratings drop off. i like the show but after a while i can only take so much mystery and unsolved plots. Deadwood (a show i couldn't get into) will be coming off the air, Rome (one of my favorite shows) won't be around forever, HBO knows when to end a good thing.

[Sublime 2]

About 3 1/2 hours till the season premiere!! I'm definitely pretty pumped for it!

[cthomer5000]

HBO knows when to end a good thing.

Except in the case of the Sopranos. I would say that show has been spinning it's wheels since the end of season 3. If I was pressed into telling someone my opinion on the show I would say watch seasons 1-3 and call it quits.

[jbmagic]

A lot of questions since the final last season.

WHO ARE THE OTHERS?

They're creepy, wear fake beards and have captured Kate, Jack and Sawyer. Are they "the good guys," as one high-ranking Other said, or are they up to no good? Finally finally! that enigma will be addressed this season, producers have teased. They better deliver. Also, expect to see much more of bug-eyed Other/hatch escapee Henry Gale, played by new series regular Michael Emerson.

WHO WILL KATE FALL FOR?

It's about time, Kate. The freckled tough girl (Evangeline Lilly) will finally make a choice between doctor-leader Jack (Matthew Fox) and con man Sawyer (Josh Holloway). Early intel suggests Cupid's arrow is pointing at a Kate-Sawyer hookup they ARE a couple of good-lookin' outlaws. Why that coupling? According to an ABC press release, "Romance looms on the horizon as Jack's interests veer towards a mysterious woman, whose motives may be questionable."

WHY WAS LOCKE IN A WHEELCHAIR?

John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) lost of a bit of his faith last season, thanks to his frustration with entering that numbered sequence (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) on the keyboard every 108 minutes. Still, he can't deny the island's mysterious healing powers, which apparently cured his four-year paralysis and allowed him to walk again after Oceanic flight 815 crash-landed. Those powers and why exactly Locke was bound to a wheelchair in the first place will be explored this season, "Lost" experts say. One theory: Locke, who helped his deadbeat father withdraw stolen money from a bank, was handicapped by angry victims of the crime.

WHO IS THE FATHER OF SUN'S UNBORN BABY?

Pre-crash, a doctor said Sun's loving husband, Jin (Daniel Dae Kim), was infertile. There are three possible explanations for Sun's pregnancy: The island healed Jin's infertility (worked for Locke, leg-wise); the zygote formed inside Sun (YunJin Kim) but is neither hers nor Jin's (creepy!); or Jin is not the baby-daddy. That guy could be Jae Lee, who gave Sun secret English lessons. She was unhappy in her marriage, and planned to leave Jin and go to America.

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE HATCH?

In the season 2 finale, Locke, Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) and Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) were all in the hatch when Desmond turned the fail-safe key to diffuse whatever electromagnetic energy was quaking the island (yes, that button-pushing chore actually meant something). An explosion ensued. The hatch door landed on the beach. Survival seems like a long shot but Eko and Locke are under contract. And Cusick is now a series regular. They gotta come out of this alive, if not somewhat somehow changed. Plus, ABC says Locke will team up with Sayid (Naveen Andrews) and others to try and rescue their comrades.

DID MICHAEL AND WALT ESCAPE?

The father-son duo, given a motor boat by Henry Gale, were last seen fleeing the island to destinations unknown. Desperate dad Michael (Harold Perrineau) betrayed his friends to save himself and his son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), who was kidnapped at the end of the first season by the Others. But don't be surprised if they return those "Lost"-ies aren't the luckiest group. Note that Perrineau is not a regular cast member this season, but could be back as a guest star. And Walt is way too intriguing to make a permanent getaway.

WHAT IS DHARMA DOING WITH THE KIDS?

The Others snatched Walt, Frenchwoman Rousseau's daughter, Alex, and a very pregnant Claire (Emilie de Ravin). In memories of her abduction, Claire was taken to a hospital-like hatch and given a shot in the belly. A teen girl, who might be a grown-up Alex, warned her that higher-ups planned to kill her and take her baby. That's pretty freaky, and so is another theory: That the Others those "good guys," remember? are a social utopian experiment by the scientist-led Dharma Initiative. This could explain why they steal innocent children who haven't been tainted by society.

WHO IS LIBBY?

Michael shot and killed her last season, but viewers haven't seen the last of Libby (Cynthia Watros). She'll keep appearing in characters' flashbacks, producers said, yet her back story she claimed to be a clinical psychologist and was supposedly among the plane's tail-section survivors is shrouded in mystery. In flashbacks, it was revealed that she lived in the same mental hospital as an unknowing Hurley (Jorge Garcia) and gave Desmond her late husband's doomed sailboat. Fan speculation has it that she might be a member of the Hanso Foundation, which funded the shady Dharma Initiative, or a private detective.

IS CLAIRE JACK'S HALF-SISTER?

That's the buzz and it appears to be so. After losing his medical license for operating while drunk, Christian (Jack's surgeon-father, played by John Terry) fled to Australia, where he drank himself to death after attempting to visit his secret daughter. It went down like this: He showed up at the house of a curly-haired, blonde Aussie Claire's lookalike mother? and boozily demanded to see the girl. The woman refused. Jack arrived Down Under to bring Christian's body back to the U.S. and, in a made-for-television twist, wound up on the same ill-fated flight as Claire.

CAN THE SHOW KEEP IT UP?

As many fans complain, "Lost" is more about the questions than the answers. It's confusing and captivating. At least some things were (sorta) cleared up in the finale of the dark and hatch-centric second season, which runneth over with sci-fi mysteries that had viewers scratching their heads. Thankfully, the Powers That Be heard the fan feedback and they're doing something about it. In a recent podcast posted on the show's Web site, a producer revealed he was influenced by complaints that season 2 was "too mythologically dense." Expect to see a lot about relationships in future episodes, including a dose of much-needed romance.

[ThunderingHERD]

Great opening sequence, just like last year. Fooled me twice.

But It'd be nice if the question to answer ration were more like 100:1 rather than 1,000:1.

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit i missed the show cuz i was watching house! Any ideas about when it comes on again I know some stations like to show their big hits more than once for the people who missed it... or will i just have to find it online somewhere?

[Thomkal]

It will be shown online at abc.com or whatever the website is for abc tv.

[Bearcat729]

Damnit i missed the show cuz i was watching house! Any ideas about when it comes on again I know some stations like to show their big hits more than once for the people who missed it... or will i just have to find it online somewhere?

They said you could catch it on abc.com

[JS19]

Semi disappointed with this episode. Besides the start, I felt like the show really didnt go anywhere.

[Swaggs]

I give it a 5 out of 10.

Jack has gone from being one of my favorite television characters (in season 1) to being very whiny and annoying. It is interesting that Michael Keaton was supposedly the choice to play Dr. Jack Shepard when Lost was being kicked around as a television movie, rather than series. I can't tell if the character is supposed to be the way he is or if Matthew Fox just can't pull off tough, but tortured well.

Sawyer, on the other hand, is a great character and the actor that plays him has done a great job of improving and getting things right.

Two questions:

Where have I seen the girl that was in all of Jack's scenes tonight?

What Stephen King book was the book club reviewing?

[Raiders Army]

It was okay. I can't answer your questions Swaggs, but I'll add a couple of my own:

Did Kate get raped?

How did that chick knock Jack out with one punch?

[Swaggs]

Did Kate get raped?

That was definitely my first thought. Either that or that she got impregnated some other way, since they seem to be fixated on children.

I hope we find out why Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were chosen to go there. Were they the only ones who were there when they had the confrontation last season about crossing the line, when the guy was wearing the fake beard and Kate got captured? I think all three were there, but I think Locke may have been, too.

[Bearcat729]

What Stephen King book was the book club reviewing?

I've not seen anything concrete but general idea on FARK was that it was The Drawing of the Three

[Grammaticus]

It was okay. I can't answer your questions Swaggs, but I'll add a couple of my own:

Did Kate get raped?

How did that chick knock Jack out with one punch?

Funny, but these are both questions that I had while watching tonight.

[Grammaticus]

That was definitely my first thought. Either that or that she got impregnated some other way, since they seem to be fixated on children.

I hope we find out why Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were chosen to go there. Were they the only ones who were there when they had the confrontation last season about crossing the line, when the guy was wearing the fake beard and Kate got captured? I think all three were there, but I think Locke may have been, too.

Yeah, Locke was there.

[JS19]

I think I remember the leader of "the others", i think they said hes name was Roy, but I'm pretty sure he told Locke that he was one of the "good guys" when they had him captured last season, although I may be mistaken. This may have something to do with why Locke wasn't taken also.

I, too, recognize that girl who was in all Jacks scenes tonight, and its bugging me why I cant think of where she is from.

[Grammaticus]

I, too, recognize that girl who was in all Jacks scenes tonight, and its bugging me why I cant think of where she is from.


Her Name is Elizabeth Mitchell, you can look on IMDb. She was on CSI, ER, Boston Legal and some lower popularity movies. I had that same "who is that" feeling too. I'm still not sure were I recall her from, even after looking at her list of films/shows.

"The Santa Clause 2" may be the biggest hit movie she was in.

[ThunderingHERD]

Jack has gone from being one of my favorite television characters (in season 1) to being very whiny and annoying.

I agree. One of my problems with season 2 is that so many characters did complete 180s personality-wise. I was really rooting for Jack to start kicking ass and being a hero again when he overtook the doctor lady but, alas, it was only one of one too many false hope scenarios this episode.

[kingfc22]

So what kind of relationship do Juliette and the leader of the others, Ben, have? During the book club meeting the one guy made a remark that Ben would never read the selection and Juliette hinted that she might have picked it because of that fact.

[Draft Dodger]

Her Name is Elizabeth Mitchell, you can look on IMDb. She was on CSI, ER, Boston Legal and some lower popularity movies. I had that same "who is that" feeling too. I'm still not sure were I recall her from, even after looking at her list of films/shows.

"The Santa Clause 2" may be the biggest hit movie she was in.

my wife pointed out that she had large tatas. oddly, I didn't notice, and was too lazy to back up the tivo to see if she was right

[Draft Dodger]

Yeah, Locke was there.

huh?

[VPI97]

How did that chick knock Jack out with one punch?

He was weak from not having any food or water since he'd been there...I'm guessing having to stop the flood of water by shutting the door took something out of him, as well.

[jonesz]

I liked the fact that they explained where the polar bears came from... "The bears figured it out in 2 hours".. It seems to me, with the fish, aquarium and stuff and the polar bears, the Darwin intiative may have something to do with animal vs. human testing.. or possibly DNA combining of the two? Create humans with animal abilities? They are definitely trying to garner trust with each individual in individual ways. Did anyone else think the kid escaping way to contrived to be real?

I read an article in USA Today as well where they interviewed the guy who's the leader of the others and he said to remember what he said during teh finale "we're the good guys". He said they wanted to take a look this year at what the world looks like from "The Others" perspective and drawing a relation to the real world where people automatically think people that they don't understand are dangerous and evil. All the Others are signed only through the November "break" as well..

[Grammaticus]

huh?

When they met the others in the woods.

[lordscarlet]

I've not seen anything concrete but general idea on FARK was that it was The Drawing of the Three

I saw "Carrie". (Not saw on the show, but saw that someone said that)

[Toddzilla]

Steven King is a huge fan of the show - he raves about it in EW all the time - so it was neat to see the writers give him a shout-out.

[Toddzilla]

From EW:

(FYI about ''Downtown'': The 1964 hit was written by Tony Hatch. Seriously.)

Laul.

[gottimd]

When they met the others in the woods.
I was confused as well, I thought you had seen some alternate version. But you are referring to the time they went after Michael, and I thought you were talking about last nights episode.

[rjolley]

Did anyone else think the kid escaping way to contrived to be real?

The whole thing looked like a set-up from the beginning...from the kid that wouldn't talk to Sawyer, to the magical lock picking and escape. Was that kid the one who was working on Juliette's house?

He was weak from not having any food or water since he'd been there...I'm guessing having to stop the flood of water by shutting the door took something out of him, as well.


That was my thought.


Couple of questions I had:

Where are the other passengers?

Why did they try so hard to look like island dwellers?

Was that a scorpion in the Dharma symbol on the pipe outside Sawyer's cage? And which base is that?

[gottimd]

Was that kid the one who was working on Juliette's house?

I thought that was Ethan working on her house, no?

[Daimyo]

I assumed the Stephen King book was The Stand since the producers often refer to it as one of the biggest inspiriations for the show. Also I think the guy complaining about it in the beginning refered to it as something like pseuedo-religious battle between good and evil which would fit. It looked a bit too thin when they showed her holding it though.

Drawing of the Three would also make some sense though.

[lordscarlet]

Also I think the guy complaining about it in the beginning refered to it as something like pseuedo-religious battle between good and evil which would fit.


That pretty much describes every Stephen King novel. :)

It looked a bit too thin when they showed her holding it though.


It could have been the abridged version of The Stand.

[flounder]

The site that posted the screenshot (lost.cubit.net) is down, but it showed pretty clearly that the book was Carrie.

[Joe Canadian]

I thought that was Ethan working on her house, no?

Yes, it was Ethan.

[jbmagic]

That was definitely my first thought. Either that or that she got impregnated some other way, since they seem to be fixated on children.

I hope we find out why Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were chosen to go there. Were they the only ones who were there when they had the confrontation last season about crossing the line, when the guy was wearing the fake beard and Kate got captured? I think all three were there, but I think Locke may have been, too.

Was that guy with the fake beard in Jack flashback last night. It look like one of Jack's patient when he was lying in the bed.

[Toddzilla]

Yes, it was Ethan.Yes. Ben (Henry Gale) even calls him by name when he sends him to surveil the front-enders.

[Izulde]

But It'd be nice if the question to answer ration were more like 100:1 rather than 1,000:1.

so Lost 3 season is called Lost:jbmagic? :D

[Grammaticus]

I was confused as well, I thought you had seen some alternate version. But you are referring to the time they went after Michael, and I thought you were talking about last nights episode.

Sorry, I was referring to this comment by Swaggs:

Originally Posted by Swaggs
That was definitely my first thought. Either that or that she got impregnated some other way, since they seem to be fixated on children.

I hope we find out why Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were chosen to go there. Were they the only ones who were there when they had the confrontation last season about crossing the line, when the guy was wearing the fake beard and Kate got captured? I think all three were there, but I think Locke may have been, too.

[Sublime 2]

Steven King is a huge fan of the show - he raves about it in EW all the time - so it was neat to see the writers give him a shout-out.

Not sure, but when they had "Gale"/Ben locked up last season didn't Locke bring him a book, and Ben made a comment like "Wouldn't happen to have any Steven King would you?" I could be remembering that completely wrong but I think it's funny how IF he said that, and then at the book club the other guy made the comment about Ben not liking it.

[Joe Canadian]

Not sure, but when they had "Gale"/Ben locked up last season didn't Locke bring him a book, and Ben made a comment like "Wouldn't happen to have any Steven King would you?" I could be remembering that completely wrong but I think it's funny how IF he said that, and then at the book club the other guy made the comment about Ben not liking it.

I thought the exact same thing...

[Raiders Army]

Screencap from the sledge (which I saw on www.losttv-forum.com):

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k57/rm4610/carrie.jpg

[Raiders Army]

Also that forum which also uses vbulletin has this cool function where you can hide text as a spoiler. See here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=983711&postcount=159

Granted, they have avatars and long ass signatures, but the spoiler function would be cool to add here for our TV shows.

[jbmagic]

Not sure, but when they had "Gale"/Ben locked up last season didn't Locke bring him a book, and Ben made a comment like "Wouldn't happen to have any Steven King would you?" I could be remembering that completely wrong but I think it's funny how IF he said that, and then at the book club the other guy made the comment about Ben not liking it.


Maybe he just didn't like that particular title only.

[Sublime 2]

Maybe he just didn't like that particular title only.

Yeah, I got that, I was just kind of linking the two.

[Swaggs]

I agree. One of my problems with season 2 is that so many characters did complete 180s personality-wise. I was really rooting for Jack to start kicking ass and being a hero again when he overtook the doctor lady but, alas, it was only one of one too many false hope scenarios this episode.

One of the biggest points of interest in season 1 was the dynamic between Jack-Sawyer-Kate and who would Kate end up with? I recall really pulling for Jack and Kate to get together and looking forward to their scenes together each week and rooting against Sawyer when he would try to charm Kate. Nowadays, does anyone really want Jack to get the girl?

[Swaggs]

This new girl looks like a combination between Claire Forlani and Calista Flockhart. And I like it. :)

[jbmagic]

Did anyone notice the guy Jack's ex was with. He looked like the Australian guy that Shannon was living with. The guy her brother paid off

[Anthony]

did you figure that out on your own or did you read it in TVGuide?

just kidding jb.


i really think they started changing Sawyer's character a bit in season 2 to the point where he's now the more likeable between him and Jack. i started hating Jack since the end of season 1. i liked it when Locke started challenging him and his self-granted authority.

[moriarty]

This new girl looks like a combination between Claire Forlani and Calista Flockhart. And I like it. :)

I was about to say a non-bolemic (sp?) version of Calista Flockhart ... I kinda like it too.

[Raiders Army]

Slow episode last night with the best part being the kiss between Sawyer and Kate and the ensuing fight. Is it just me or is Kate pretty much useless? She's been the "helpless captive with a gun pointed to her head" at least twice now...once with Zeke last season and now with Juliette.

[Rizon]

The new chick looks alot like a blonde version of Carrie-Ann Moss (Matrix).

[JS19]

I was pretty disappointed with last nights episode. Dare I say, but I am already seeing a trend similar to that of The Sopranos, and LOST isn't even in its final season.

[spleen1015]

The new chick looks alot like a blonde version of Carrie-Ann Moss (Matrix).

She played Trixie on Deadwood.

[sachmo71]

She played Trixie on Deadwood.

I think the girls who's always talking to jack looks more like a blonde carrie anne moss than the deadwood girl.

[Subby]

Good backstory last night...

[spleen1015]

I think the girls who's always talking to jack looks more like a blonde carrie anne moss than the deadwood girl.

I don't think either look like Carrie Moss. :)

Juliet, the one talking to Jack, was a lesbian on ER for a season or so. She was a social worker who hooked up with the handicapped doctor.

[hoopsguy]

I thought it was outstanding that the Others leader broke out the Red Sox winning the World Series as his way to establish credibility with Jack. As a Cubs fan, I could pretty easily project how something like that would sound to me, then how enticing/painful it would be to see that playing on TV.

I also liked the back story last night.

So how the heck are the Others accumulating information on everyone? Any theories?

[Toddzilla]

The chick in the weeds that was whispering to Kate - Alex? The French Lady's daughter? - is HAWT!

[Raiders Army]

So how the heck are the Others accumulating information on everyone? Any theories?

At this point, I don't think I'll waste any more brainpower trying to figure anything about this show out. It's fairly obvious that TPTB are not going to reveal any solid answers to their show. I look at it as if if they do, the house of cards they have built will fall down because either the answers they give will not make any sense or the answers will contradict something either earlier or later in the show. There are still questions from Season 1 that haven't been answered and even when a question is answered it's not. For instance, we wondered why a polar bear would be on the island early in the first season. In the third season we found out the "answer" by finding out there are cages that they used to be in...but that's not an answer. It just raises more questions.

I'm just along for the ride and find it enjoyable if you don't try to figure out the show. If you do, I think you'll eventually become frustrated and disillusioned.

[Joe Canadian]

At this point, I don't think I'll waste any more brainpower trying to figure anything about this show out. It's fairly obvious that TPTB are not going to reveal any solid answers to their show. I look at it as if if they do, the house of cards they have built will fall down because either the answers they give will not make any sense or the answers will contradict something either earlier or later in the show. There are still questions from Season 1 that haven't been answered and even when a question is answered it's not. For instance, we wondered why a polar bear would be on the island early in the first season. In the third season we found out the "answer" by finding out there are cages that they used to be in...but that's not an answer. It just raises more questions.

The bears and sharks are part of some type of animal experiments on the island, that answers the question as to why they were there. As for it not being a complete answer because they haven't explained why they were running these experiments... well if they answered that the BIG question would be gone. Why is Dharma on the island and conducting these experiments?

I agree that there are a lot of questions surrounding the show, but IMO people tend to over blow the problems they apparently create.

[Raiders Army]

True. Already I don't understand how the separate groups of survivors from the plane crash couldn't see the smoke trails from the other section...nor do I understand how the island can have a village that remains hidden from everyone (including the French Lady who supposedly has spent years there).

[Raiders Army]

Dola, again on the polar bear issue. Didn't TPTB lead us to believe that Walt created them from the comic book he was reading? What's up with that?

[gottimd]

True. Already I don't understand how the separate groups of survivors from the plane crash couldn't see the smoke trails from the other section.

Sayid kind of explained that this past episode where he said maybe they couldn't see the smoke because of the mountains?


.nor do I understand how the island can have a village that remains hidden from everyone (including the French Lady who supposedly has spent years there).

How do you know the french lady doesn't know? Maybe she was outcasted? Maybe that smoke thing is some sort of security that if you get close to that village, it scares you away.

[gottimd]

Dola, again on the polar bear issue. Didn't TPTB lead us to believe that Walt created them from the comic book he was reading? What's up with that?

Maybe TPTB was trying to throw you off on that idea. They led us to believe that the Others were savages too.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe, but we don't know for sure. That's what's frustrating.

[gottimd]

Maybe, but we don't know for sure. That's what's frustrating.

But does the frustration keep you watching? If they gave you the answers right after season 1, it would just be a boring plane crash, sci-fi tv series.

I compare it to that movie memento in some ways. If that movie was filmed in the correct order, it would've been just another typical movie. The out of sequence made it so much better, kept you wondering WTF was going on.

I think HA mentioned in another thread about how many shows are using the "Lost formula", which seems to be pretty intriguing and keeps viewers hooked.

[Raiders Army]

Frustrating doesn't keep me watching. The fact that there's nothing else on that I want to watch keeps me watching. Maybe if there were some concrete answers it wouldn't be frustrating but it seems as if the writers are just making it up as they go along. Has anything really been answered? Not only that but the dangling plotlines are beginning to mount.

Other than the polar bear, what's up with the hatch? We know what's inside but we don't know why it's there. Don't you get the feeling as if we will never know why? That's where the frustration lies.

Again, at this point I'm willing to let it all go and just enjoy the story. This isn't to say that I didn't enjoy the last episode; I did since it was better than anything else that was on at the time. I'm tired of Jack and his BS (also what's up with his dad...never answered). Sawyer is the best thing going on the show. Hey, what happened to Walt and Michael?

[gottimd]

Sorry, I didn't mean frustrating keeps you watching, I meant anticipation of finding out the answers.

Things have been pieced together slowly, but I can see what you mean by the writers "painting themselves into a corner" in terms of all of these quesions and little answers. Do you think that they have created so many questions that they will force the answers in one series ending cheesy episode? I hope not.

[jbmagic]

At least this episode we now know who got Sun pregnant.

[Raiders Army]

There's going to be some cheese for sure. The only things that I can think of is that either they're:

1. Lazy and don't want to reveal anything.
2. Have no idea how to resolve some storylines so if they add more questions we'll forget about the old questions.
3. There is some plan that they want to achieve and keep viewers coming back for more by revealing a little at a time while letting the questions mount.

In any of the scenarios, they are not good for the viewer. In #1 and #2, they're inept. In #3 they treat the viewer like a mark.

[gottimd]

In #1 and #2, they're inept. In #3 they treat the viewer like a mark.

Wait, I watch the show and that is not my name. I'd at least like to get treated like a steve.

[Joe Canadian]

Other than the polar bear, what's up with the hatch? We know what's inside but we don't know why it's there. Don't you get the feeling as if we will never know why? That's where the frustration lies.

Which hatch? Desmond's? We already know it was there because of the magnet, I thought they explained that pretty well. What we don't know in regards to the hatch is how Locke and Eko survived the blast.

At least this episode we now know who got Sun pregnant.

Didn't we know before? It has to be Jin, and it can't be the bald guy. They've been on the island for 69 days, she found out she was pregnant probably about two weeks prior to last night's events. She has to have had her period on the island, so Jin must be the father.

[Joe Canadian]

There's going to be some cheese for sure. The only things that I can think of is that either they're:

1. Lazy and don't want to reveal anything.
2. Have no idea how to resolve some storylines so if they add more questions we'll forget about the old questions.
3. There is some plan that they want to achieve and keep viewers coming back for more by revealing a little at a time while letting the questions mount.

In any of the scenarios, they are not good for the viewer. In #1 and #2, they're inept. In #3 they treat the viewer like a mark.

Personally I have no idea with the questions, and think people are blowing it out of proportion when they say that there is some huge problem with the show because of them. I'm a viewer, and the questions are good for me.

[jbmagic]

Which hatch? Desmond's? We already know it was there because of the magnet, I thought they explained that pretty well. What we don't know in regards to the hatch is how Locke and Eko survived the blast.



Didn't we know before? It has to be Jin, and it can't be the bald guy. They've been on the island for 69 days, she found out she was pregnant probably about two weeks prior to last night's events. She has to have had her period on the island, so Jin must be the father.

They said before their no way Jin can make a baby. How can that be possible now?

[lynchjm24]

They said before their no way Jin can make a baby. How can that be possible now?

Please bring back the Quote of the Day for this.

Thanks.

[Joe Canadian]

They said before their no way Jin can make a baby. How can that be possible now?

Indeed they did, but... Rose had cancer now she doesn't... Locke couldn't walk now he can. The island has some sort of healing power. The baby has to be Jin's, if it is not there is a very big time line issue.

[Raiders Army]

Which hatch? Desmond's? We already know it was there because of the magnet, I thought they explained that pretty well.
Okay. Either I didn't explain myself well (which is a good possibility) or you didn't understand what I was saying. They don't explain anything well at all.

Question: Why is there a hatch there?
Answer: Because of the magnet.*
Question: Why is there a magnet there?

You see, the answer didn't answer the question "pretty well". It answered it with another question.

*Or so we think. Did the magnet bring the jet down? Why was Ben not surprised at the crash? Did he know it was going to happen or did something else bring the jet down? Also, we think the hatch was there because of the magnet. The Question Mark on the map indicated that all of the other hatches were used to monitor the people inside...they didn't actually serve any other purpose. Why would the hatch that Locke found be any different?

[jbmagic]

Just be patient and enjoy the show for now.

Everything will be answer on the final episode or final season of Lost when they decide to close out the series.

[Anthony]

Slow episode last night with the best part being the kiss between Sawyer and Kate and the ensuing fight. Is it just me or is Kate pretty much useless? She's been the "helpless captive with a gun pointed to her head" at least twice now...once with Zeke last season and now with Juliette.

and she tries to play the tough role too, which pisses me off cuz she always seems to be a liability to the group since she finds herself being used as a hostage all the time.

[Joe Canadian]

Okay. Either I didn't explain myself well (which is a good possibility) or you didn't understand what I was saying. They don't explain anything well at all.

Question: Why is there a hatch there?
Answer: Because of the magnet.*
Question: Why is there a magnet there?

You see, the answer didn't answer the question "pretty well". It answered it with another question.

No it didn't, they've already said AFAIK that it was a geological anomaly or something like that. Dharma didn't put the magnet there, they just put the hatch/button there to control it.

*Or so we think. Did the magnet bring the jet down?

As far as we know, yes.

Why was Ben not surprised at the crash?

I don't think he was not surprised, I just think he seemed more controlled than the rest of the others because he's apparently the leader.

Did he know it was going to happen or did something else bring the jet down?

If he knew it was going to happen, I'm pretty sure they would have been ready for it... instead of throwing together a plan on the spot.

Also, we think the hatch was there because of the magnet. The Question Mark on the map indicated that all of the other hatches were used to monitor the people inside...they didn't actually serve any other purpose. Why would the hatch that Locke found be any different?

I'm not really sure what you mean by all that. The Pearl hatch, the one with the TV's, was an experiment to see if people would follow directions just because they were told to. It's pretty clear that Desmond's hatch served a purpose.

[Anthony]

and i also agree that Sawyer is the best thing going for the show. i enjoy when he's onscreen, which i can't say the same for Jack's scenes. i'm glad he's in his current predicament, he needed to be knocked down a couple rungs on that ladder he propped himself upon.

[Raiders Army]

No it didn't, they've already said AFAIK that it was a geological anomaly or something like that. Dharma didn't put the magnet there, they just put the hatch/button there to control it.
Regardless, why control it? Why not just let it go? Or why not shut it down completely? Do you concede that they answered the question of the hatch with another question?

[Thomkal]

Overall I thought it was a weak episode. I liked the backstory with Sun and Jin, but what the heck was going on with making Sawyer and Kate (in a dress) do manual labor? I mean is that why they took them from the rest of the group, so they could move rocks from one spot five feet away to another? And shame on them for not thinking their jail conversation would be overheard based on what they have found on the island so far.

[jonesz]

Overall I thought it was a weak episode. I liked the backstory with Sun and Jin, but what the heck was going on with making Sawyer and Kate (in a dress) do manual labor? I mean is that why they took them from the rest of the group, so they could move rocks from one spot five feet away to another? And shame on them for not thinking their jail conversation would be overheard based on what they have found on the island so far.

My feeling is that they are trying to get Kate and Sawyer to hook up for some reason. When she had breakfast with Ben she asked about Sawyer before Jack, thus they brought Kate to Sawyer. They put her in a dress, make her get all sweaty and bend over and stuff and Sawyer gets turned on.

Maybe they did know that their conversation would be overheard? We're not certain at this point who's playing who.

My guess as well is tha Rosseau's daughter isn't as "good" as she seems and will end up being the bad guy, while the Others will end up being good guys.

[Grammaticus]

She played Trixie on Deadwood.

The new girl who is talking to jack did not play Trixie on Deadwood.

The new new girl that approached Sun on the boat, I too believe played Trixie on Deadwood.

[Subby]

I need to catch Santa Clause 2...

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1750/ElizabethM_Grani_713225_400.jpg (http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1750/BillMumy_Grani_712940_400.jpg.html?seq=2)

[Draft Dodger]

The new girl who is talking to jack did not play Trixie on Deadwood.

The new new girl that approached Sun on the boat, I too believe played Trixie on Deadwood.

yep, chick on the boat is Paula Malcomson aka Trixie.

[spleen1015]

The new girl who is talking to jack did not play Trixie on Deadwood.

The new new girl that approached Sun on the boat, I too believe played Trixie on Deadwood.

I know this. My reply was assuming that the were talking about the newest women introduced this week.

[Daimyo]

Didn't we know before? It has to be Jin, and it can't be the bald guy. They've been on the island for 69 days, she found out she was pregnant probably about two weeks prior to last night's events. She has to have had her period on the island, so Jin must be the father.

I don't think you can make that leap. She could be three months pregnant and not show much. Its possible the experience of the bald guy dying (which was traumatic for both Jin and Sun) was what led to them taking the vacation so they left shortly after he died. That would fit pretty well with the timeline. Also there are many, many women who have irregular periods so its entirely plausible that she didn't have a period for three months and didn't consider it abnormal.

[jbmagic]

I don't think you can make that leap. She could be three months pregnant and not show much. Its possible the experience of the bald guy dying (which was traumatic for both Jin and Sun) was what led to them taking the vacation so they left shortly after he died. That would fit pretty well with the timeline. Also there are many, many women who have irregular periods so its entirely plausible that she didn't have a period for three months and didn't consider it abnormal.


Yep

Also maybe Sun felt ashamed for being pregnant with that bald guy and she waited awhile before teliing Jin she is pregnant. Now Jin thinks its his baby, but Sun is lying to him.

[Draft Dodger]

I don't think you can make that leap. She could be three months pregnant and not show much. Its possible the experience of the bald guy dying (which was traumatic for both Jin and Sun) was what led to them taking the vacation so they left shortly after he died. That would fit pretty well with the timeline. Also there are many, many women who have irregular periods so its entirely plausible that she didn't have a period for three months and didn't consider it abnormal.

yeah, I don't think there's anything even remotely conclusive about who knocked her up. in fact, a friend of mine thinks it's debatable as to whether Sun even slept with the bald guy (which I think is dumb, but still).

[Joe Canadian]

I don't think you can make that leap. She could be three months pregnant and not show much. Its possible the experience of the bald guy dying (which was traumatic for both Jin and Sun) was what led to them taking the vacation so they left shortly after he died. That would fit pretty well with the timeline. Also there are many, many women who have irregular periods so its entirely plausible that she didn't have a period for three months and didn't consider it abnormal.

My point wasn't that she isn't showing... it's that she didn't notice she was pregnant until being there more than a month and a half. Let's say she became pregnant the day after her last period, and the day before she left on the trip... do you not find it strange that she waited more than a month and a half to find a pregnancy test?

[Joe Canadian]

Regardless, why control it? Why not just let it go? Or why not shut it down completely? Do you concede that they answered the question of the hatch with another question?

How does one shut of an electromagnetic force withing the earth? You can contain it I suppose, but not shut it off...

[Daimyo]

do you not find it strange that she waited more than a month and a half to find a pregnancy test?
No. As I said before there are MANY women with irregular periods who would not consider it all that strange to miss two or three in a row.

[Joe Canadian]

No. As I said before there are MANY women with irregular periods who would not consider it all that strange to miss two or three in a row.

You're right... I just think that explaining the would be some what awkward for the writers. It's a lot more likely that the baby is Sun's and that his problem off the island was fixed like it was for Rose & Locke... that runs with the story line, an irregular period does not.

These back stories about Sun and the bald guy are just showing us their relationship off the island and how Jin's job was hurting that marriage... it's not about proving to us that Jin isn't the father/

[Daimyo]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jin's and island fixed him, I just don't think we can say either way at this point who is the father.

[jbmagic]

You're right... I just think that explaining the would be some what awkward for the writers. It's a lot more likely that the baby is Sun's and that his problem off the island was fixed like it was for Rose & Locke... that runs with the story line, an irregular period does not.

These back stories about Sun and the bald guy are just showing us their relationship off the island and how Jin's job was hurting that marriage... it's not about proving to us that Jin isn't the father/


I really think Sun knew about her pregnancy before the island.

I think she did the pregnancy test on the island to cover her ass with Jin and not to hurt him.

[Raiders Army]

How does one shut of an electromagnetic force withing the earth? You can contain it I suppose, but not shut it off...
????

If they can't shut it off, then why push the button?

And if the button doesn't control the electromagnetic field, then why push it?

[Anthony]

i think once the Others (who aren't the real Others, the group led by Ben) find out Sun is pregnant they're gonna be after her like they were after that austrailian chick's baby (is claire her name?). and i'm starting to agree with whoever had the idea that the Others want Sawyer and Kate to mate so they can take her baby.

but if they're after babies/young people - why let Walt go?

does anyone remember the scene last season when there was a whole chain gang of shoeless people (most likely children)? could there be an area that is hiding young people?

[TazFTW]

but if they're after babies/young people - why let Walt go?

If I remember correctly the black woman Other told Michael that they got a little more than what they expected when Walt joined them.

[gottimd]

last season when there was a whole chain gang of shoeless people (most likely children)? could there be an area that is hiding young people?

I remember that. That is when Jin and Eko go looking for Michael, and they hide when they side a group of the others coming, which turn out to be children. Now the thing I don't get and seems to be a little inconsistent especially with that scene, is that, if these people live in a perfect little "1950's village", why are they chaining their children up and marching them through the woods?

In the Season 3 Premiere, when they showed the village, did anyone see any kids?

[TazFTW]

In the Season 3 Premiere, when they showed the village, did anyone see any kids?

There were no children in the 'town'.

[jonesz]

The kids must be being held by The Other Others....

[jbmagic]

Maybe the others that has Jack, Kate and Sawyer are really good but they want to be in charge of everything. Maybe their helping out the survivors.

And there another group that are the bad ones that we have not seen yet.

[gottimd]

The Other Others? I can see how that is possible but that would be extremely dissappointing explanation to things. I guess you could say that is why they have guns, security measures, etc. Maybe the "Other Others" are experiments gone bad, basically on the youth, and they sort of separated from themselves from the parents in a lord of the flies type way? Seems kind of cheesy, but I guess that is possible.

[rkmsuf]

The Other Others? I can see how that is possible but that would be extremely dissappointing explanation to things. I guess you could say that is why they have guns, security measures, etc. Maybe the "Other Others" are experiments gone bad, basically on the youth, and they sort of separated from themselves from the parents in a lord of the flies type way? Seems kind of cheesy, but I guess that is possible.

needs more amazon women

[Toddzilla]

Re: Tonights episode.

Meh.

[watravaler]

I disagree, tonight's episode gave away the whole secret...see Desmond...

[moriarty]

I thought it was pretty good. The polar bear bit seemed a bit contrived (maybe there'll be more explanation later), but it was decent.

[Anthony]

i'm thinking Locke is liking this new arrangement, being the default "2nd in Command" sans Jack - he gets to be the rescuer and once Jack, Kate and Sawyer are returned Locke will resume his place as camp leader.

[Raiders Army]

Slow episode and there was no resolution to the backstory. What the hell happened to the cop?

[Anthony]

Slow episode and there was no resolution to the backstory. What the hell happened to the cop?

who wants to tell RA she was killed by Michael like the 2nd or 3rd to last episode of last season?

[ahbrady]

who wants to tell RA she was killed by Michael like the 2nd or 3rd to last episode of last season?

I believe he's referring to the narc shown in Locke's flashback tonight.

[Anthony]

i stand corrected.

these flashbacks are starting to become bothersome to me. i think this is why i like "Heroes" a lot - cuz it's Lost without all the flashbacks.

[Grammaticus]

This weeks episode was so boring, I fell asleep. The previews for next week seem to show the next episode will have a little more action.

[Coop]

This weeks episode was so boring, I fell asleep. The previews for next week seem to show the next episode will have a little more action.

That's intill the actual episode airs and it's just like every other episode. it was nice to see locke become more like his season 1 self.

[kingfc22]

So desmond is the key, literally?

[Suburban Rhythm]

I thought it was pretty good. The polar bear bit seemed a bit contrived (maybe there'll be more explanation later), but it was decent.
Maybe this was touched on somewhere and I missed it, but...

Wouldn't the polar bear have to do with the cages/underwater world wear Kate, Jack and Sawyer are now?
2-3 weeks ago, "Zeke" takes a jab at Sawyer, after Sawyer proclaims to have figured out their contraption, by saying "It only took the bears 2 hours!"

Whatever wacky stuff the Dharma Intiative was doing on the island, they did on the animals as well as people.

As for last night's episode--damn Locke really annoys the hell out of me.

[gottimd]

Whatever wacky stuff the Dharma Intiative was doing on the island, they did on the animals as well as people.

I think that was implied many episodes ago and verified this season. Where Jack is currently, seems to be an underwater hatch, probably where they did testing on sharks, dolphins, etc.

Did the lady who drowned in Season 1, was her body ever recovered?

[Suburban Rhythm]

I am blanking on the lady who drowned in season 1.
I must admit, I was casually interested in season 1, while my wife was already hooked.

But I am sure if I call her, she'll be able to me what the lady was wearing if/when they found the body. She bought both seasons on DVD and is obsessed.

[jbmagic]

So desmond is the key, literally?

why? Because he knew what Locke will say in his speech before he was going to say it?

[Toddzilla]

these flashbacks are starting to become bothersome to me. i think this is why i like "Heroes" a lot - cuz it's Lost without all the flashbacks.What are you talking about? You saw "Future Hiro" last week right? The whole goddamned show is a giant flashback. :D

[jbmagic]

Desmond predicted the future what up with that?

and whats up with that Tonka Truck in the cave where EKO was trap at?

[rkmsuf]

Is it a bad sign when you fall asleep during an episode.


They've managed to suck all the life out of the show.

[Raiders Army]

Desmond predicted the future what up with that?

and whats up with that Tonka Truck in the cave where EKO was trap at?

I saw no Tonka Truck. Must've missed it.

[rkmsuf]

I saw no Tonka Truck. Must've missed it.

I think it was next to jb's tv. He must have gotten confused.

[spleen1015]

You guys are messing with him, right?

I saw the Tonka Truck.

[Raiders Army]

Not messing with him. Just didn't see it. I'm sorta meh. I would assume that it was a kid's Tonka Truck that the bear ate. Not too much mystery there.

Edit--Now, if it had been an Escalade in the cave, I would've been like whoa!

[spleen1015]

Not messing with him. Just didn't see it. I'm sorta meh. I would assume that it was a kid's Tonka Truck that the bear ate. Not too much mystery there.

Locke found it and picked it up on his way through the cave to get to Eko.

[Draft Dodger]

Is it a bad sign when you fall asleep during an episode.


They've managed to suck all the life out of the show.

try this, old man

http://geritol.com/images/product.jpg

[samifan24]

I grow more and more worried about this show with each passing episode. I agree with whoever said the writers just make up new questions each week rather than answering existing ones. I am really beginning to doubt if the "reveal" will have been at all worth it. The show used to be entertaining but now I just doubt it too much.

[jbmagic]

I grow more and more worried about this show with each passing episode. I agree with whoever said the writers just make up new questions each week rather than answering existing ones. I am really beginning to doubt if the "reveal" will have been at all worth it. The show used to be entertaining but now I just doubt it too much.


Just be patience. When they do finally end the series all your questions will be answer on the grand finale.

It will be no fun watching if we knew everything.

[Raiders Army]

Just be patience. When they do finally end the series all your questions will be answer on the grand finale.

It will be no fun watching if we knew everything.

I seriously doubt they will answer all questions. Also, all we're asking for is to get some resolution to storylines, not the whole story.

[Joe Canadian]

Slow episode and there was no resolution to the backstory. What the hell happened to the cop?

There was resolution. That back story was to show that Locke screws up a lot, the he has to clean up his messes, and that he's not a killer (he's one of the good one's remember). The back story wasn't in there to tell the story of a marijuana farm and how it gets busted.

[kingfc22]

No comments on how Ben aka Henry Gale was working in the airport before they took off. That was one thing that I did not see coming.

[Joe Canadian]

No comments on how Ben aka Henry Gale was working in the airport before they took off. That was one thing that I did not see coming.

That was a dream sequence, none of those things happened. If you looked closer you would have seen Hugo as a ticket agent typing in the numbers, Claire & Charlie playing with the baby, and Desmond as a pilot.

[Anthony]

It will be no fun watching if we knew everything.


so sayeth jbmagic - King Of The Spoilers!!!

[jbmagic]

No comments on how Ben aka Henry Gale was working in the airport before they took off. That was one thing that I did not see coming.

This show may be to advance for you. You might want to try Ugly Betty. :)

[Anthony]

This show may be to advance for you. You might want to try Ugly Betty. :)

ohhhhhhhh SNAP!


word up jb. that's what i'm talking about! in the future you need to end posts like that with "boyeeee!".

[Raiders Army]

There was resolution. That back story was to show that Locke screws up a lot, the he has to clean up his messes, and that he's not a killer (he's one of the good one's remember). The back story wasn't in there to tell the story of a marijuana farm and how it gets busted.

LOL. You contradict yourself with that post. "There was resolution." What happened at the weed farm? I must've missed that part. I know why the back story was there.

Also, still not convinced that the button controlled the electromagnetic field?

[Anthony]

Raiders is correct - there really wasn't any resolution to Locke's backstory this past episode. all it did was just show that Locke has had occurences of messing things up and for once he decided to make things right.

[QuikSand]

If the decline in viewership overall is parallel to the decline in this thread (compared to last season), the show is in for a rude awakening sometime soon.

[rkmsuf]

If the decline in viewership overall is parallel to the decline in this thread (compared to last season), the show is in for a rude awakening sometime soon.

key test will be how many come back after the show is off for 3 months again starting Nov

[Draft Dodger]

I thought they weren't doing that this year

[rkmsuf]

I thought they weren't doing that this year

oh they are doing it

[Suburban Rhythm]

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/zap-abc-lostdaybreakschedule,0,3173575.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline

The good news for "Lost" fans: ABC has listened to you, and has scheduled the show in such a way for next season that it won't have any reruns.

The bad news: There will be a 13-week gap between the show's first run of episodes in the fall and the unbroken 15- or 16-episode string to close the 2006-07 season.

[QuikSand]

Idiots.

[rkmsuf]

It's almost worse with no reruns. You just totally forget about the thing.

I almost don't care now. Give me three months of nothing and it's arrivederci cocksuckers.

[Draft Dodger]

I don't know, I'll take that option over the reruns

[John Galt]

I don't know, I'll take that option over the reruns

Me too. It isn't ideal. But if they stick with it, it's just like another season break. I can deal with 2 small seasons a year rather than random rerun scheduling.

[jbmagic]

It's almost worse with no reruns. You just totally forget about the thing.

I almost don't care now. Give me three months of nothing and it's arrivederci cocksuckers.

Its good news.


You now get two big cliffhangers.

[rkmsuf]

Its good news.


You now get two big cliffhangers.


yippie

[gottimd]

You now get two big cliffhangers.

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[timmynausea]

I also think the two mini-seasons style schedule will be better than the 3 weeks on 2 weeks off mix and match of the first two years.

It is no surprise that people are complaining about it, though. I think most of that is frustration with the episodes not being as good since the first season for the most part.

[rkmsuf]

I also think the two mini-seasons style schedule will be better than the 3 weeks on 2 weeks off mix and match of the first two years.

It is no surprise that people are complaining about it, though. I think most of that is frustration with the episodes not being as good since the first season for the most part.

It's not really a question of even good. It's that it's getting boring being presented with only unexplained things with very little in the way of payoff.

Maybe it's just the pacing of the story that wears thin to me now that the novelty of the characters has worn off.

[Samdari]

I also think the two mini-seasons style schedule will be better than the 3 weeks on 2 weeks off mix and match of the first two years.

It is no surprise that people are complaining about it, though. I think most of that is frustration with the episodes not being as good since the first season for the most part.

The second one is hardly a mini season. Its 17 straight weeks of new episodes. If they lose viewers from the first of those to the last, they are in real trouble.

[Anthony]

to me, at this point i care more about the story being resolved than the show not being able to go on for many seasons. they've long passed the point where this is a show that i don't ever want to end.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I liked the episode. It was good to see Locke sort of be like, well, Locke again instead of obsessed button-pusher guy. The flashback was fine. There was no resolution, but I imagine it will play a role in future Locke's flashbacks.

I'm still enjoying the show, though I don't crave episodes like I used to.

[Draft Dodger]

you know, when this thing started I really thought it was going to be about survival. 50 strangers stranded on an island, having to find food, water, shelter, organization, how to get rescued...all the while worried about some mysterious menace in the jungle. And that would have been, imo, a really interesting show - follow these people as they learn to survive and get along, all the while slowing unveiling the backstories to show where they were all coming from.

All of those aspects have been almost completely thrown out the window. Food now just literally falls from the sky. The people are seemingly so happy with their tarp & stick homes that no one even thinks about moving into the hatch, complete with electricity and running water. The monster that terrorized them every time they stepped foot in the jungle in season one is a mere afterthought.

Slowly, mostly with the introduction of the Others, it's turned into a completely different show - much more a sci-fi mystery than survival drama. I still enjoy it and watch every week, but I am a little bit peeved that it's no longer the show I signed up for.

[Honolulu_Blue]

you know, when this thing started I really thought it was going to be about survival. 50 strangers stranded on an island, having to find food, water, shelter, organization, how to get rescued...all the while worried about some mysterious menace in the jungle. And that would have been, imo, a really interesting show - follow these people as they learn to survive and get along, all the while slowing unveiling the backstories to show where they were all coming from.

All of those aspects have been almost completely thrown out the window. Food now just literally falls from the sky. The people are seemingly so happy with their tarp & stick homes that no one even thinks about moving into the hatch, complete with electricity and running water. The monster that terrorized them every time they stepped foot in the jungle in season one is a mere afterthought.

Slowly, mostly with the introduction of the Others, it's turned into a completely different show - much more a sci-fi mystery than survival drama. I still enjoy it and watch every week, but I am a little bit peeved that it's no longer the show I signed up for.

That's interesting. You and I have had pretty much the same feelings about the show since it began, but it seems like we "signed up" for very different shows.

I didn't start watching "Lost" until after the first season, because I was overseas. All my friends back home kept telling me how great it was, so I borrowed some VCR tapes (last ones I've ever watched now that I think of it) and watched the show over the summer. My friends, being the geeks that they are, kept telling me about how the show looked like an island survival show, but really had all these cool sci-fi/mystical/mysterious aspects to it. That's what they loved about it and that's what I was excited about as well. I don't think I would have been all that interested in Swiss-Family Robinson/Robinson Caruso type of show. I love the sci-fi/fantasy elements of the show. The ghosts, the "monster, the crazy-ass polar bears, etc, etc.

If anything, I sort of feel like a lot those mysteries aren't all that, well, mystical anymore. The show has focused a lot more on the "others" and the whole Darma thing, which, in my mind, has dampened the mystical aspect of things to a certain degree. Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, if it was just a electro-magnetic malfunction that brought the plane down than why are all the people so inter-connected? It now seems more like "random chance" than a mystical/Fate sort of thing.

[Ksyrup]

FYI...


ABC has set February 7 as a return date for the hit drama "Lost." The first portion of the adventure series' third season is slated to end November 8, with new series "Day Break" schedule to air in "Lost's" 9 p.m. Wednesday slot starting November 15.

When it returns February 7, "Lost" is scheduled to run with all-original episodes through the end of the season.

[Raiders Army]

I like Sawyer best and it was entertaining because of him. Other than that, meh. What was up with the lightning rod? To show that Claire and Charlie's shelter sucks?

[MikeVick7]

I like Sawyer best and it was entertaining because of him. Other than that, meh. What was up with the lightning rod? To show that Claire and Charlie's shelter sucks?
I thought it was for Desmond to prove to himself that he could see into the future.

[JS19]

I am slowly losing interest in this show. Forgot it was even on tonight til i started messing around with the tivo and saw it.

[Swaggs]

I thought Desmond may have been trying to create some type of magnetic occurrence, so that his woman might get a signal.

Sawyer has turned into a great character and the actor that plays him has improved a great deal. Unfortunately, he is the only interesting part of the show right now.

[kingfc22]

Guess I'm the only one that is still enjoying it.

[ctmason]

It's certainly still an enjoyable show, but it has relatively fallen off the map in terms of ratings. I was really looking forward to this new season but the pace has been almost unbearably slow at this point. If memory serves this happened to me before in a previous season (recall the episode where Sawyer goes looking for the insect/bird noise with Hurley?)...but the show picked back up. Let's hope that happens again.

For goodness sakes "Criminal Minds" beat it in the ratings last week and I didn't even know that show was still on the air.

[Sublime 2]

Guess I'm the only one that is still enjoying it.

I'm still hooked, and probably will be till the end. I don't mind how slow it's been, to me it's fine and still entertaining every week.

[mckerney]

I thought it was for Desmond to prove to himself that he could see into the future.

I don't know if it was as much proving to himself that he could see into the future, but rather trying to change what he'd seen and protect Claire. Remember that he'd previously tried to get Claire to go down to the beach so he could 'fix' her roof.

[Raiders Army]

I don't know if it was as much proving to himself that he could see into the future, but rather trying to change what he'd seen and protect Claire. Remember that he'd previously tried to get Claire to go down to the beach so he could 'fix' her roof.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Draft Dodger]

still enjoying it. it isn't what it used to be or what it could have become, but I still enjoy it. and yes, Sawyer has improved by leaps and bounds from the beginning, although that prison hairdo they had him in was ridiculous.

I thought Evy Lilly wasn't going to do nudity?

[JS19]

still enjoying it. it isn't what it used to be or what it could have become, but I still enjoy it. and yes, Sawyer has improved by leaps and bounds from the beginning, although that prison hairdo they had him in was ridiculous.

I thought Evy Lilly wasn't going to do nudity?

Those are pretty much my thoughts exactly. instead of being like "awesome, lost is on tonight" now its like "eh, lost is on"

[spleen1015]

That lightning strike was going to hit Claire's hut. So, Desmond put the lightning rod there to prevent that from happening.

I'm still gonna watch the show even though things have slowed quite a bit. You guys know as well as I do that things are going to pick up again.

[Daimyo]

So now we know that while Desmond has some ability to see the future, it is such that he can actually take action to alter it.

[Toddzilla]

FWIW, the scenes near the end were phenomenal. Jack, handcuffed to the operating table, confronting the lady about the x-rays and telling her he knows what they are and what they mean was awesome. And the scene at the top of the mountain when Ben started quoting "Of Mice and Men" back to Sawyer was chilling.

They're fewer and farther between, but the really great moments that make this show excellent are still there.

[Draft Dodger]

of course, you do have to kind of wonder how the Others moved the 3 to a new island without them knowing about it

[Easy Mac]

didn't it show them living in houses on the same island where the plane went down? Now maybe they moved to a different island to host Jack and them, but I'm not so sure. Perhaps another con?

[spleen1015]

didn't it show them living in houses on the same island where the plane went down? Now maybe they moved to a different island to host Jack and them, but I'm not so sure. Perhaps another con?

Their houses were on the same island as the Losties. They're just on another island dealing with Jack, Sawyer and Kate right now.

[SnDvls]

of course, you do have to kind of wonder how the Others moved the 3 to a new island without them knowing about it

and how the polar bears got moved too

[Samdari]

Their houses were on the same island as the Losties. They're just on another island dealing with Jack, Sawyer and Kate right now.

Or lying.

Nah, Benry would never lie....

[mckerney]

of course, you do have to kind of wonder how the Others moved the 3 to a new island without them knowing about it

At the end of season 2 the three were on a dock and had their heads covered with bags. Presumably being on a dock they were being taken somewhere by boat. They likely wouldn't have been able to tell where they were being taken and it isn't likely they'd have reason to believe they were taken to another nearby island.

[gottimd]

I forget, did he turn around when they were looking at the Island? I could go to florida, and (if it was possible) look and see Cuba, would that mean that the land mass I am currently on is a small island too? Other than taking Benry's word for it that the island they were on is about the size of Alcatraz, is it possible that were actually on a continent, just at the far edge of it looking at an island in an archipelago?

[DanGarion]

My wife and I are still enjoying the show. But the others are pretty sadistic.

[rexallllsc]

I'm still gonna watch the show even though things have slowed quite a bit. You guys know as well as I do that things are going to pick up again.

I dunno about that. The more I think about it, this show should've been wrapped up in 3 seasons. Someone got greedy.

More and more questions. Less and less answers.

[rexallllsc]

FWIW, the scenes near the end were phenomenal. Jack, handcuffed to the operating table, confronting the lady about the x-rays and telling her he knows what they are and what they mean was awesome. And the scene at the top of the mountain when Ben started quoting "Of Mice and Men" back to Sawyer was chilling.

They're fewer and farther between, but the really great moments that make this show excellent are still there.

Yeah, those parts were awesome. Like you said though, few and far between. I had forgotten the show was even going to be on until reminded at 9:15.

[gottimd]

Did I hear correctly that after the first week in November, the show goes on Hiatus for like 4 months? Am I making that up?

[samifan24]

Did I hear correctly that after the first week in November, the show goes on Hiatus for like 4 months? Am I making that up?

You are correct. The show goes off in early November and returns in early February (I believe).

[spleen1015]

I dunno about that. The more I think about it, this show should've been wrapped up in 3 seasons. Someone got greedy.

More and more questions. Less and less answers.

This made me chuckle. Maybe they realized that they could get more our of it. So be it. The show is still worth watching to me. There will be more goodness.

[Raiders Army]

What. The. Hell. Well, they're certainly making it easier for me to drop this show. They off one of the few characters I cared about. As we were watching the show tonight I found myself trying to remember what the hell was going on and who everyone was. Thoughts:

I forgot about the whole deal with drugs, etc. in Ecko's backstory
Who the hell are the guy and chick? I remember the guy from last episode with the golf clubs...I think.
Didn't Ecko stare down the smoke before?


For the most part, I felt as if I didn't really care what was going on with Ecko up until the end. Likewise Locke, Charlie, Hurley and the couple (do they have names?).

The only truly interesting part I liked was when the chick was talking to Jack while the video played...other than that meh. Anyhow, at least there's only one more episode and it has more Sawyer.

What's frustrating is that we've seen every episode but I struggle to understand what's going on and what happened in someone's backstory over a season ago. There are too many plotlines that are dangling that they're revisiting that I just don't care about any more. Also, the whole concept of a backstory every episode is truly wearing thin. I hope they have plans of wrapping this series up at the end of Season 3 or at the most Season 4.

[Swaggs]

That was a split decision episode for me.

There were a few scenes that reminded me why I watch and have enjoyed the show, like the dialogue between Ben and Jack, the church fight in Echo's flashback, the eye patch guy scene, and the video that was played for Jack.

I didn't like the unceremonious death. And, most of all, I cannot tell if the writing is just not that good anymore or if they are just being too vague because they want to leave all options open for future storylines. I am fairly frustrated, as an invested viewer, at how unclear the purpose of death was.

[Rizon]

I am fairly frustrated, as an invested viewer, at how unclear the purpose of death was.

Maybe he got busted for a DUI or something.

PS: The woman is lying to jack. Why? Because she's a woman. Bro's before ho's!

[Antmeister]

I am fairly confused. What was the whole purpose of saving Echo if he was going to die in the next episode. At least make it seem as if Locke cared that a wrench was thrown in his vision for saving him.

[Lorena]

Maybe he got busted for a DUI or something.

PS: The woman is lying to jack. Why? Because she's a woman. Bro's before ho's!

How funny, I told Antmeister the same thing... I know someone got busted and when Ecko died, I assumed it was him.

BTW, didn't this season barely start? It seems like we've seen 4, maybe 5 episodes... how in the hell can next week's episode be the season finale?

[jbmagic]

SO Rose husband is the only survivor left from the tail end.

[jbmagic]

BTW, didn't this season barely start? It seems like we've seen 4, maybe 5 episodes... how in the hell can next week's episode be the season finale?

Read this thread again.

Its going to be back in February without any interruption.

[panerd]

What. The. Hell. Well, they're certainly making it easier for me to drop this show. They off one of the few characters I cared about. As we were watching the show tonight I found myself trying to remember what the hell was going on and who everyone was. Thoughts:

I forgot about the whole deal with drugs, etc. in Ecko's backstory
Who the hell are the guy and chick? I remember the guy from last episode with the golf clubs...I think.
Didn't Ecko stare down the smoke before?


For the most part, I felt as if I didn't really care what was going on with Ecko up until the end. Likewise Locke, Charlie, Hurley and the couple (do they have names?).

The only truly interesting part I liked was when the chick was talking to Jack while the video played...other than that meh. Anyhow, at least there's only one more episode and it has more Sawyer.

What's frustrating is that we've seen every episode but I struggle to understand what's going on and what happened in someone's backstory over a season ago. There are too many plotlines that are dangling that they're revisiting that I just don't care about any more. Also, the whole concept of a backstory every episode is truly wearing thin. I hope they have plans of wrapping this series up at the end of Season 3 or at the most Season 4.


You are like my teacher friend who is has been quitting the NEA for the past 12 years. At first he made some valid points, then he was more of a griper but we still listened to him, the past several years we just roll our eyes at how bad everything is while he still continues to stick around.

We get it. You don't like the show. I have no idea why you still watch.

[Draft Dodger]

How funny, I told Antmeister the same thing... I know someone got busted and when Ecko died, I assumed it was him.


it was.
http://eurweb.com/story/eur28882.cfm

[Draft Dodger]

and yes, Bernard is the only tailie left, although the flight attendant is still missing, iirc

[Draft Dodger]

I have to admit, I didn't see Ecko's death coming at all. I hate to see one of the best characters go, but I did enjoy this episode a lot. A lot of intrigue with the Jack/Juliet/Ben story, we have a new hatch manned by a pirate, and the threat of the Quittin' Time Whistle Monster monster is back.

I didn't like to see Ecko go, but I really did enjoy how they worked it in with his backstory.

[John Galt]

I have to admit, I didn't see Ecko's death coming at all. I hate to see one of the best characters go, but I did enjoy this episode a lot. A lot of intrigue with the Jack/Juliet/Ben story, we have a new hatch manned by a pirate, and the threat of the Quittin' Time Whistle Monster monster is back.

I didn't like to see Ecko go, but I really did enjoy how they worked it in with his backstory.

"

[gottimd]

The smoke thing always brings me back to the theory that they are in purgatory, although most likely not true. Once you confess your sins to it, you are freed from purgatory (killed). But does that mean Locke has no sins to confess because he was wronged in his life? Also, the smoke monster killed the Pilot in season 1 without any "revelation" besides him screaming.

As I ramble on, I wonder if the smoke monster is some sort of paranormal thing that was created, that knows all of your fears and sins, and you can either constantly run in fear without facing them, or Stand up to your fears and confess your sins?

[Subby]

i think dinoasaur kill pilot

which you think brontosaurus or crocdile?

[Draft Dodger]

you would think the pilot would have survived longer, what with him being able to hear people's thoughts and all

[Raiders Army]

You are like my teacher friend who is has been quitting the NEA for the past 12 years. At first he made some valid points, then he was more of a griper but we still listened to him, the past several years we just roll our eyes at how bad everything is while he still continues to stick around.

We get it. You don't like the show. I have no idea why you still watch.

There isn't anything else good on. ;)

[Kodos]

A lot of last night's episode bored me (didn't like Eko's backstory), but the stuff with Jack and the Others is still interesting. Especially the video part.

[Coop]

The monster seems very similar to "Prey" by Michael Crichton. I enjoyed the episode except for Ecko's death, why couldnt it be Charlie.

[timmynausea]

The smoke thing always brings me back to the theory that they are in purgatory, although most likely not true. Once you confess your sins to it, you are freed from purgatory (killed). But does that mean Locke has no sins to confess because he was wronged in his life? Also, the smoke monster killed the Pilot in season 1 without any "revelation" besides him screaming.

As I ramble on, I wonder if the smoke monster is some sort of paranormal thing that was created, that knows all of your fears and sins, and you can either constantly run in fear without facing them, or Stand up to your fears and confess your sins?

Interesting theory. I was thinking that Eko was killed because he ultimately didn't learn his lesson.

[jonesz]

Maybe he got busted for a DUI or something.

it was.
http://eurweb.com/story/eur28882.cfm

Actually he requested to be written off of the show. He lost both his parents last year and wants to return to London to direct a film he's been working on.

[Swaggs]

I was pretty impressed by how much the kids playing Echo and his brother actually looked like them.

[Draft Dodger]

I was pretty impressed by how much the kids playing Echo and his brother actually looked like them.

me too

[ctmason]

This episode really struck a good balance in my mind. We had the straight up man-against-man mystery of the Others with Jack's dilemna and then the reappearance of the smoke monster was a good touch of the paranormal to get us all thinking again. Another good touch were Ecko's hallucinations, which left us with just enough questions on whether he was really simply seeing things or not, particularly the part at the end.

I liked the whole Resurrection theme with Ecko's brother, anyone else catch that? They move the heavy rocks of his "tomb" and he's vanished.

[Draft Dodger]

I liked the whole Resurrection theme with Ecko's brother, anyone else catch that? They move the heavy rocks of his "tomb" and he's vanished.

my wife pointed that out to me. I, of course, was happily oblivious

[rkmsuf]

I don't get the whole smoke monster thing. Seems like a very weak way to kill someone off.

Should of had an anvil fall on his head or something.

[Rizon]

I don't get the whole smoke monster thing. Seems like a very weak way to kill someone off.

Should of had an anvil fall on his head or something.

Why would an anvil be on a remote island? I mean c'mon.

[Draft Dodger]

Why would an anvil be on a remote island? I mean c'mon.

dumby. ACME delivers everywhere.

[Easy Mac]

The smoke thing always brings me back to the theory that they are in purgatory, although most likely not true. Once you confess your sins to it, you are freed from purgatory (killed). But does that mean Locke has no sins to confess because he was wronged in his life? Also, the smoke monster killed the Pilot in season 1 without any "revelation" besides him screaming.

As I ramble on, I wonder if the smoke monster is some sort of paranormal thing that was created, that knows all of your fears and sins, and you can either constantly run in fear without facing them, or Stand up to your fears and confess your sins?

To be fair, the monster has only killed Ecko and the pilot, correct? And even then, as far as we know only Locke and Ecko have seen it. Shannon, Boone, Ana Lucia, Libby, Aerst, and whoever else I'm missing never really got to meet the monster and confess their sins. I think it was generally assumed that they had come to peace with their lives by the time they died, but they never really got to the face of the monster to be judged.

[Draft Dodger]

didn't Boone face the monster (in the form of Shannon) soon before he died?

[Bearcat729]

To be fair, the monster has only killed Ecko and the pilot, correct? And even then, as far as we know only Locke and Ecko have seen it. Shannon, Boone, Ana Lucia, Libby, Aerst, and whoever else I'm missing never really got to meet the monster and confess their sins. I think it was generally assumed that they had come to peace with their lives by the time they died, but they never really got to the face of the monster to be judged.

Didn't Jack, Kate and Hurley get to see the monster when they had to save Locke on the way back with the dynamite?

[Joe Canadian]

didn't Boone face the monster (in the form of Shannon) soon before he died?

Isn't that when Locke drugged him?

[TazFTW]

Finally got around to watching the latest ep. I wonder why Desmond did not save Eko like he did with Claire by building the lightning rod. Is there anything to take from how the Others 'bury' their dead?

Isn't that when Locke drugged him?

Yes.

Charlie has also seen the monster when he was taking Eko to the plane(where Eko stared at the smoke monster).

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9886/vlcsnap463833qg8.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap463833qg8.jpg)

With the way people are connected on this island, does anyone recognise the guy in the pic?

[Toddzilla]

With the way people are connected on this island, does anyone recognise the guy in the pic?Damn you, Taz! I've been racking my brains! PM me with the spoiler, plz!

[DeToxRox]

Damn you, Taz! I've been racking my brains! PM me with the spoiler, plz!

Ditto, Taz.

[TazFTW]

Nah, no spoiler PM. After looking at some pics, it doesn't look like the guy/character I thought it did.

The patch guy could be associated with

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4716/glasseyenp9.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glasseyenp9.jpg)


Or he could be the captain of the Black Rock. Yaargh! :p

[Toddzilla]

Booooo Taz. 1000 T-Bone suplexes for you!

[jbmagic]

The story behind last week death.

There was personal things going on with his life that made it hard for him to be in Hawaii and the producers accommodated his wishes.

But several sources that long before his personal tragedy, the 39 old actor had became an increasingly difficult presence on set, refusing to film scenes as scripted, insisting on rewrites and even demanding to be release from his contract. One source reveal that the actor went so far as to weigh in on others characters' story lines, alienating cast members, who made their displeasure known to the producers.

[jbmagic]

Patience is the key for all the answers on Lost.

Produce JJ Abrams recently said you have to watch for who the characters are, what they are going though, what their experience is. The air goes out of the balloon if you start to answer and understand too many things too quickly. If the answers are not earned, if the story is laid out too easily, you will lose the fun of the ongoing layers being peeled back. The answers (should be) presented when they are earned, not just because people want to know.

[rexallllsc]

Patience is the key for all the answers on Lost.

Produce JJ Abrams recently said you have to watch for who the characters are, what they are going though, what their experience is. The air goes out of the balloon if you start to answer and understand too many things too quickly. If the answers are not earned, if the story is laid out too easily, you will lose the fun of the ongoing layers being peeled back. The answers (should be) presented when they are earned, not just because people want to know.

My response to that would be: "Well, it's season 3..."

[jonesz]

Patience is the key for all the answers on Lost.

Produce JJ Abrams recently said you have to watch for who the characters are, what they are going though, what their experience is. The air goes out of the balloon if you start to answer and understand too many things too quickly. If the answers are not earned, if the story is laid out too easily, you will lose the fun of the ongoing layers being peeled back. The answers (should be) presented when they are earned, not just because people want to know.

I would agree with that if they pull back the layers and it got closer to the core. Instead they peel back layers and then put more duct tape on it so it was thicker than before. I think people are frustrated because for every answer (or part answer) there are two or three more questions that are presented. I've honestly lost track of all of the "unanswered questions" that are out there. It's becoming too damn much to follow. I'm starting to just watch the show and quitting trying to figure everything out and it's becoming more enjoyable to me again.

[Daimyo]

How fun would the show be if they didn't add new mysteries and draw stuff out across seasons? Might as well watch CSI....

[CraigSca]

You know, I could do without the whole Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle.

Let's all meet here in 8 weeks? Lame.

[Raiders Army]

You are like my teacher friend who is has been quitting the NEA for the past 12 years. At first he made some valid points, then he was more of a griper but we still listened to him, the past several years we just roll our eyes at how bad everything is while he still continues to stick around.

We get it. You don't like the show. I have no idea why you still watch.

Actually thinking about this a little more since I question it myself a lot, I think that I watch the show in the hopes that the magic of Season 1 would be recaptured. Part of that magic was the little things they did like the numbers...speaking of which it seems as if they've all but disappeared even in the recent flashbacks. There were things to discuss that led to speculation...unfortunately, all it led to was speculation; there was nothing concrete. I miss those things.

Again, I watch the show in the hopes that things will start making sense and that there will be that Eureka! moment that we're all like "Ohhhhhhhhhhh...." Not only that, but I'm still curious to see how things turn out. It's just annoying that they have left dots unconnected from Season 1 and 2 (I think) in the hopes that the audience will forget about them.

[Joe Canadian]

Let's all meet here in 8 weeks? Lame.

They did that because a lot of people complained that last season the show had repeats, like every other show on network TV (24, being one of the only exceptions).

[Pyser]

i've come up with the best solution for Lost. here goes.

Kill everyone. Every last person that was on the plane....except for two people. doesnt matter who, but to make it interesting, make it characters we didnt focus on too much, say Claire and someone else. Kill the rest, the biggest characters in a shocking season 3 finale.

Then, in the very last scene, once the others have assimilated the only 2 survivors, have a plane crash.

season 4 starts comepletely anew, with the exact same opening as season 1. new characters, only this time, we have a little more insight, and it could be more from the "others" persepective.

because if the show goes on the way it has, why bother. as it is, im routing for everyone to die at this point.

[Draft Dodger]

well, I loved it.

[Antmeister]

Ditto to Draft Dodger's comments.

[rkmsuf]

I thought last night was very good. They keep sucking me back in dammit.

I guess that means they are doing something right.

[spleen1015]

I'm really looking forward to the 13 week wait. Bastards.

[Kodos]

Starting to like Jack more again.

Why not split the season into two 11 week runs, instead of a 6 and a 16 episode run?

[jbmagic]

Starting to like Jack more again.

Why not split the season into two 11 week runs, instead of a 6 and a 16 episode run?


Jack not a wimp and crying anymore. He got a set of balls now.

[Draft Dodger]

Starting to like Jack more again.

Why not split the season into two 11 week runs, instead of a 6 and a 16 episode run?

I would imagine the holidays would be a factor here. At any rate, if it was up to me, this is they way I would prefer it. I'll take a long break over reruns without hesitation.

[jbmagic]

I rather have them start in January with no interruptions like they do with 24

[Toddzilla]

Since when is a full season just 22 episodes? WTF? IMO, that speaks to the writer's total lack of ideas as much as anything.