Werewolf XXXIV: Tombstone (GAME OVER - Night 13)

[Alan T]

The year is 1880, Tombstone is a small, isolated town in the Southeast part of the Arizona Territory. Less than 1000 people live in this town, yet it has all of the promise of becoming the western version of great towns such as Philadelphia. Word has passed east that there is a fortune to be made in this town, and it is only a matter of time before people start arriving to try to find their own wealth prospecting Silver.

With wealth and prosperity also comes problems of their own. The railroad has not yet been built out this far, the only method of transportation, freight or communication is by horse. Word has it that an uncivilized gang from the nearby countryside called "The Cowboys" has shown an interest in Tombstone and has started harassing the townspeople by stealing livestock, horses or even intercepting money or goods in transit. The chances of these problems reaching Prescott, 280 miles away to be a big enough of a concern are small, so ridding the town of these cowboys is left to the townspeople themselves.

Winning Conditions:

Villagers- The local townspeople win the game when they have completely rid themselves of the cowboys.

Cowboys- The cowboys win the game when they have built up enough of a force to match the townspeople 1 for 1 and thusly apply their will unchecked.

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Game Schedule:

The game will consist of 2 game periods. The Daytime period which will run from 9:00am EST until the deadline of 9:00pm EST each night between Monday and Friday. The Nighttime period will run from 9:00pm EST until the deadline of 9:00am EST each night between Monday and Friday. The weekend schedule will be stated at the time based on popular choice.

Any actions that occur outside of their proper schedule (votes before or after the day period, or night actions sent in during the day) will not count without prior approval. If for some reason you need to submit a vote or action outside of the normal schedule, please PM me and we will work out the best possible solution if needed.

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Town Roles, Occupations and Allegiances

Each player in the game has a role assigned to them randomly at the start of the game. The list of possible roles includes but not limited to those listed in the next Post below this one. The possibility exists that there might be roles included in the list that are not active in the game, or roles in the game that are not included in the list however.

Each player in the game also has an allegiance assigned initially based on their role. A person's allegiance is not static however, and there could possibly be mechanisms in the game that could cause a player's allegiance to change. To start the game all players will have allegiance to either the Town (the Villagers), or allegiance to the Cowboys (the Wolves).

In addition to player's roles and allegiances, there also exist two occupations that a player might obtain during the course of the game.

Town Sheriff- The Sheriff is the sole form of lawfulness in the town of Tombstone. The Sheriff has the duty to arrest and imprison those who break the law. The game starts with the prior sheriff, Fred White having been gunned down by ruthless cowboys leaving tombstone without a sheriff.

Each Day gameturn, the townspeople have the ability to elect a new sheriff (either replacing the current sheriff, or replacing a dead Sheriff such as the start of the game). To choose a new sheriff, you simply post an election vote such as:

elect Alan T

The Sheriff election is not a mandatory vote, so posting to not choose a new sheriff is unecessary. In the case of an election to replace the currently alive Sheriff in the job, the townspeople must have greater than 50% of the remaining players in the game choose to elect the sheriff. In the case of an election to replace a vacated sheriff position due to death, simple majority vote will be the new sheriff. In all cases, tie-election votes result in no change of the sheriff (even in the case of a vacated job).

The Sheriff election vote ends at the deadline for the daytime game period each date. In the case of a newly elected sheriff, they begin their service starting immediately that night game period.

The Sheriff has two additional night actions each night (to add to any other possible night actions they may have previously due to their game role.) The Sheriff is immune to night action penalties (explained later in the rules) as their job requires them to perform actions each night. The Sheriff has the following night actions in addition to any night actions they may have previously due to the role:

Jail player - The Sheriff can choose any player(s) to arrest and place in the jail during the night action. As the Sheriff has two night actions, they are able to use both actions to jail two seperate players if they so choose. If the Sheriff chooses to jail a player, causing the jail to exceeed it's maximum occupancy, their night action is voided.

Release player - The Sheriff can choose to release any player(s) currently in the jail, either due to being placed in there by themselves or by someone else such as a previous sheriff. As te Sheriff has two night actions, they are able to use both actions to release two seperate players if they so choose.

Town Mortician- The other town job is that of the town mortician. The only things in life that are certain is death and taxes, and well someone has to clean up after the death even in Tombstone. Unlike the Sheriff, the job of the town mortician is kept hidden unless the player with that job chooses to announce it. At the start of the game a player already begins with the job of the Town mortician based on the role they receive. In the case of death to the current Town Mortician, the job will be passed off unannounced to another player by myself. Other abilities and functions of this job are left unannounced in the rules due to gameplay purposes, however will be described to the player holding this job.

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Town Layout and Buildings of note:

As expected with most starting boomtowns, the center of the town has all of the important buildings such as a Bank, Saloon, Supply store, etc. Housing for the townspeople are scattered in groups in the four corners of the outskirts of town (unless otherwise dictated due to a player's role.)

In the Center of the town is the Town Jail. The Town jail is small and only has room for three prisoners at any one time. All prisoners are kept in seperate cells, and are prevented from having contact with any other player while in the jail. Prisoners may participate in sheriff election votes, and town lynch votes but are prevented from participating in any other day or night period actions.

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Daytime period actions:

Sheriff election- As mentioned above, all sheriff elections are done during the day period. A player should choose to elect a new sheriff by posting in the thread such as:

elect Alan T

Lynch vote- The most important and focused part of the daytime period is the town lynch vote. All townspeople are expected to participate in the lynching of cowboys to rid the town of the uncivilized gang. Only players who are in the jail can be lynched during the daytime period. Multiple players can be lynched each day however, only limited to the maximum capacity of the jail. To lynch a prisoner currently in jail, post in the thread such as:

lynch Alan T
lynch player2

There is no need to vote to -not- lynch someone however. Lynch votes are based on the current town population, and require more than 50% of the remaining players to vote to lynch someone. If the townspeople end up with no prisoner receiving greater than 50% of the population voting to lynch, then no lynch will occur that day, and the cowboys live one day longer.

Showdowns (Gun Duels)- It would not be the wild west if sometimes a player didn't take the law into their own hands. A small number of roles in the game have the abilitiy to force a showdown during the day period. Those roles are able to initiate a showdown only one time each during the game. In order to force a showdown, they must submit a PM to me during the day period with whom they are targeting. The action will be performed immediately upon my seeing the PM.

Showdown results are based upon the involved player's weapon and gunmanship (a hidden trait only known by the GM, as everyone feels they are the best gunman alive). If a showdown is forced upon an unarmed player, the result is obvious bloodshed and an instant kill. if the player initiating the showdown has no gun, we all know what happens when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

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Night period actions:

Many, but not all of the roles have night period actions that are to be submitted to me before the night deadline of 9:00am EST. As everyone needs their rest, any player who spends consecutive nights out will be tagged in the morning as Tired. The only exceptions to the night action penalty is the player with the Sheriff job, or if any player in the game has a special role that allows for un-penalized night movement.

During the night time there is always the possibility of foul play occuring. Death can occur via gun (sure death but noisy), or knife (possible failure in death, but quieter). Those with a light sleeper trait have an advantage when attacked by knife, however nothing other than a bodyguard will protect against a gun attack.

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Vices:

Everyone is human, and as such we all have our vices. Certain special roles might have immunity to certain vices, however the rest of us are affected on some scale by vices that might affect a player's ability to perform. Vices included in the game with their detrimental actions include:

Money- You crave money, and are susceptible to being bribed.
Women- You admire the female body, and are susceptible to being influenced by a charming lady
Alcohol- Nothing better than a good strong drink, other than 20 good strong drinks.
Power- What you wouldn't give to be able to boss others around.

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Player death:

In Tombstone, we lack any sci-fi type advances so death is permanent. At the time of death a player's occupations and allegiance will be announced. Any special role they might have will be able to be discovered post-death via in-game mechanisms.

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Player's items and posessions:

The only item in this game of special note in any PMs is guns. There will be other items mentioned during the play of the game that people will be said to have. In cases where those items are mentioned, continuity will be kept through all people who may know about or have seen such items. In addition, all players are assumed to have personal spending money for drinks/dinner as well as a small knife. The ability to use spending money or your knifes in ways other than dictated by the story will be stated in any role that could possibly have such abilities.

When a player dies, their posessions go to relatives or the town and for game purposes disappear completely unless specifically deemed special due to some role or circumstance.

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Disclaimer:

I reserve the right to post additional rules, or modify the rules, roles or occupations at any time to fix game imbalances. If there are any questions about the rules, or needs for clarifications, please feel free to post in the thread, or privately via PM at any time for more information. I also reserve the right however to keep certain things hidden during the game to improve game playability.

[Alan T]

Town Roles:

Not all of these roles will be present in this game, and likewise there is a possibility of some roles in the game not appearing on this list.

Bartender - With most boomtowns, the Saloon is the place to pick up on the every day gossip. The local barkeep usually knows mostly everyone in town, and often what they are up to.

Retired Judge - After spending 24 years as a judge in Missouri, you have a pretty good feel for when people are misleading you and when they are telling the truth.

Butcher - Everyone has to eat at some point!

Banker - A town like tombstone won't attract people without the promise of money, and everyone will need somewhere to store theirs.

Pickpocket - Spending alot of time in towns such as Philadelphia and New York City, you have become quite skillful in picking the pockets of innocent passerbyers.

Pinkerton guard - The most wellknown detective agency of our time is the Pinkertons. As expected, you are one of the best.

Brothel girl - You might just be the most attractive woman west of the Mississippi, and you know how to use that to your advantage.

Retired Sheriff - You made quite the name for yourself years back as a Kansas lawdog. Now you are in Tombstone looking to make your own fortune, but will others leave you alone to do that?

Brothers - THey say blood is thicker then anything else, and you and your brother prove that. There is absolutely no one that you trust more than your brother.

Retired dentist - After practicing dentistry for a few years, you have come to Tombstone to pursue your greater loves of drinking and gambling.

Adventure-starved young man - Up until now you have led a rather dull and boring life, but you crave adventure and feel Tombstone is the place to find it.

Priest - You are a devout holy man, someone whom others feel comfortable confessing their sins to.

Sharpshooter - When it comes to guns, you are among the best. There possibly is no quicker draw than you, and your mark is true.

Miner - Silvermining is what Tombstone is all about. You are here to make money and lots of it.

Retired Army Captain - After serving for years in the Union's army, fighting against various indian tribes in the west, you have come to Tombstone to retire and possibly find a new way to make yourself some money.

Actor - Tombstone might be an odd place to find an actor of your talents, as the majority of it's townpeople are rather uncivilized. Perhaps there might be some place for appreciation of skills such as yours here though.

School Teacher - There aren't many kids here in the wild west, however you look to try to educate those few that brought their families with them.

Card dealer - Dealing blackjack and poker can make you a pretty penny.. Just be careful on who you upset.

Horse rancher - WIth very limited transportation to and around Tombstone, you have found a use for your services here. The cowboys however don't care to pay for the horses they take at times.

Pony express rider - Getting information in and out of Tombstone relies entirely on you.

Town mayor - You were elected the town mayor, but that doesn't seem to get in your way of ignoring the real problems in town.

Baker - Fresh breads at times seem a luxury for a small town such as Tombstone, but for the odd mixture of the wealthy and the fancy, you find enough money to meet your needs.

Singer - You aren't the best singer in the world, but without radios or Mtv, you are all that Tombstone has.

[Alan T]

Day 1 Start (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1268365#post1268365)
Day 1 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1269219#post1269219)
Night 1 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1269536#post1269536)
Day 2 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1270350#post1270350)
Night 2 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1270781#post1270781)
Day 3 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1271534#post1271534)
Night 3 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1271955#post1271955)
Day 4 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1272682#post1272682)
Night 4 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1273112#post1273112)
Day 5 Showdown (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1273518#post1273518)
Day 5 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1273820#post1273820)
Night 5 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1274589#post1274589)
Day 6 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1275823#post1275823)
Night 6 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1276205#post1276205)
Day 7 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1276884#post1276884)
Night 7 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1277289#post1277289)
Day 8 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1277980#post1277980)
Night 8 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1278307#post1278307)
Day 9 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1279009#post1279009)
Night 9 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1279293#post1279293)
Day 10 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1279896#post1279896)
Night 10 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1280111#post1280111)
Day 11 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1280456#post1280456)
Night 11 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1280619#post1280619)
Day 12 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1281003#post1281003)
Night 12 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1281139#post1281139)
Day 13 End (http://fof.sportplanet.gamespy.com//forums/showthread.php?p=1281850#post1281850)

1) Spleen1015
2) path12 - Lynched Day 9 Villager
3) Grammaticus - Lynched Day 4 Villager
4) Fouts - Killed Night 4 Villager
5) LoneStarGirl - Lynched Day 6 Villager
6) Anxiety
7) Lathum
8) GoldenEagle - Killed Night 3 Villager
9) St.cronin - Gunned Down Day 5 Cowboy
10) ntndeacon - Killed Night 9 Villager
11) Swaggs - Sheriff
12) Barkeep49 - Lynched day 8 Cowboy
13) Chief Rum
14) SnDvls - Killed night 5 villager
15) Saldana - Killed night 6 villager
16) Racer - Lynched Day 9 Villager
17) Hoopsguy - Gunned Down Day 7 Cowboy
18) Chubby - Lynched Day 12 Villager
19) bulletsponge - Killed Night 10 villager
20) Glengoyne - Gunned Down Day 7 Villager
21) Thomkal - Killed night 1. Villager

[spleen1015]

I'm in.

[Blade6119]

count me in

[Grammaticus]

In

[bulletsponge]

sounds interesting, maybe ill sign up. lemme think

[Fouts]

I'm in.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am in

[Abe Sargent]

INININININININ like SININININININININ

[Lathum]

count me in pardner

[GoldenEagle]

I'll play.

[GoldenEagle]

9 people within 2 hours. Pretty impressive

[st.cronin]

in

[ntndeacon]

I reckon I 'll play

[Swaggs]

One of my favorite movies and I loves me some Alan T.

Depending on the timeline, I am tenatively in.

[Barkeep49]

I am in. I desperately hope we don't go too far into the following week.

[LoneStarGirl]

Can we start monday?

[Chief Rum]

Count me in.

[Barkeep49]

Can we start monday?
Didn't outright state this, but this would be my preference as well.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Love to play, but out of town from next Thursday through Monday.

(And I really did need to redeem myself after my last old west game... :o)

[Bek]

I'm in

[saldana]

i start my new job on monday, which has day shift hours, so i am able to play this one

in

[Grammaticus]

I'm out of town this weekend and returning on Monday. Should be back before the end of day vote, but just in case I am running late, I'm not MIA. I may have internet access, in which case I would be okay. So, I'm fine with a Monday start or even Tuesday.

[Racer]

I would like to play if it is okay that I will be gone from the morning of October 13th to sometime during the evening of October 14th.

[hoopsguy]

I'm your huckleberry.

[Alan T]

I would like to play if it is okay that I will be gone from the morning of October 13th to sometime during the evening of October 14th.

You'll likely miss most of the Friday day-turn. For the weekend we'll likely do some form of longer day turn depending on what people want to do when we get there, so you likely won't miss much on that Saturday.

[Alan T]

It looks like we'll have enough people ready to saddle up on Monday, so we'll aim for the game to start at 9am EST Monday morning. I'll be updating alot of the rules on Sunday, and get roles out Sunday night.

[Alan T]

Have the player list updated through here, if I missed someone, please let me know.

I am sitting at a table in the middle of a shopping mall in Vina del Mar, Chile using some cafe's wireless for internet connectivity, so each page takes like 1 minute to load :)

Right now it looks like we have about 17 players, there is no hard cap on the game, but I probably would like to keep it under 26 players. I actually have roughly 34 roles created, but not all of them will be used in the game and are more for the story line. Looking forward to this game, and will be putting everything up when I am back in the states this weekend :)

[hoopsguy]

Do you plan on visiting Santiago, Chile?

If so, I recommend visiting the Celinto Catayente Towers. It's quite a fine example, in fact. I recommend that next time you're up that way you drop in and take a gander at it yourself.

Note - that is the best pop-culture reference to Chile I could come up with ...

[bulletsponge]

It looks like we'll have enough people ready to saddle up on Monday, so we'll aim for the game to start at 9am EST Monday morning. I'll be updating alot of the rules on Sunday, and get roles out Sunday night.

ill tell ya by Saturday if im in ok?

[Chubby]

I'm in

[Blade6119]

Alan, i would like to request to be removed from this game. Good luck to everyone

[Bek]

im going to have to step out of this game, sry alan

--bek

[path12]

Sign me up please.

[SnDvls]

nevermind looks like it's full

[path12]

nevermind looks like it's full

Sn, I think I saw that Alan would take up to 26, so you can probably get in if you want.....

[SnDvls]

okay if there is room put me in.

[bulletsponge]

ok ill jump in. i want to kill chubby http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/dropcheer.gif

[Glengoyne]

I'd like to give this a shot, if there is room.

[Chubby]

Vote bulletsponge

[Alan T]

Updated the list through here (am currently at the Miami airport, back in the states)

Hoops, I visited Santiago on Wednesday, but did not visit those towers (not sure i know what they are actually). I saw some of the sights of Santiago, and went up the Funicular to see all of the city as best as I could, but didn't get alot of time in Santiago. I spent most of my week on the coast.

As for the game, I'll be posting up all the rules and game information later this morning/early afternoon and will be sending out roles later today in PMs.

The Game will start once the roles go out, however Day 1 will not end until 9pm EST Monday night. From there we will continue the week with 9am EST night action deadlines and 9pm EST Day action deadlines.

[Alan T]

Rules posted. Roles coming up in the next 2-3 hours. Still time for any last minute people to sign up. I'll close signups later today before I send out role PMs.

[Barkeep49]

Hmm. Seems like a lot of stuff is in this game, as there are quite a few things hinted at in one area, such as certain players having guns, but then never elaborated on elsewhere.

Alan: Just to clarify, can players in jail still talk as well as vote?

[Alan T]

Hmm. Seems like a lot of stuff is in this game, as there are quite a few things hinted at in one area, such as certain players having guns, but then never elaborated on elsewhere.

Alan: Just to clarify, can players in jail still talk as well as vote?

Yes, players in jail still can communicate in discussions as well as daytime votes. They are simply limited at being unable to be the target of any night time actions, or perform any night time actions. They also are prevented from being a part of any showdowns.

[Thomkal]

Can I sneak in with a last second plea? :) Was waiting for the rules before deciding.

[bulletsponge]

Can I sneak in with a last second plea? :) Was waiting for the rules before deciding.

im sure we could use an extra cowpoke to shoot up.

Retired dentist - After practicing dentistry for a few years, you have come to Tombstone to pursue your greater loves of drinking and gambling

omg i so want that role. i bet its the best gunslingin role out there


Women- You admire the female body, and are susceptible to being influenced by a charming lady

Lonestartgirl will be a powerful player in this game ;) :D

[Barkeep49]

I will not be happy if I get school teacher. Let me just state that now.

[bulletsponge]

with the gunfights in this game i bet Blade will wish he could be in it

[Barkeep49]

I do enjoy the fact that the town banker and the town mayor, not to mention the bartender ( a role I've been playing online successfully for nearly 13 years now) are all unknown. How is a man supposed to get sloshed in this town anyway?

[LoneStarGirl]

I was wondering if i had to be the Brothel Girl since I am the only female here, or if you would give that to somebody else.

[hoopsguy]

Usually the roles are assigned randomly.

[Barkeep49]

I'm really looking forward to this one. Haven't played in a while and this looks like a quality game. Can't wait to actually get my role.

[Alan T]

Yep Thomkal, adding you now.


I was wondering if i had to be the Brothel Girl since I am the only female here, or if you would give that to somebody else.

Nope, all roles are randomly assigned. If the Brothel Girl is in the game, it could be anyone.

[Alan T]

Ok, Signups are closed with Thomkal. Also made some minor corrections to the roles that were posted. Full descripted roles will be sent out over the next hour or two. Once all roles are sent out, I'll start the game with an initial post and then Day 1 will begin.

[bulletsponge]

i bet the Brothel girl is a good role. she can probable see peeps hidden roles nad can influence men whos vice is women

[bulletsponge]

Ok, Signups are closed with Thomkal. Also made some minor corrections to the roles that were posted. Full descripted roles will be sent out over the next hour or two. Once all roles are sent out, I'll start the game with an initial post and then Day 1 will begin.

i hope im the Dentist ( out on a killing rampage)

[Barkeep49]

Just to clarify: we don't know any of the roles a cowboy might have? Meaning a cowboy couldn't start as, say, the Dentist, thought there might be a conversion int he game. Just want to make sure I understand that correctly.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am kind of confused reading all these roles, hopefully they will become clearer as the game goes on.

[Barkeep49]

LSG: Most information appears to be hidden in this game. We simply not their general disposition but their actual powers are hidden. This generally helps the bad guys.

[Alan T]

Just to clarify: we don't know any of the roles a cowboy might have? Meaning a cowboy couldn't start as, say, the Dentist, thought there might be a conversion int he game. Just want to make sure I understand that correctly.

The initial allegiances (cowboy or villager) of the roles are not announced correct. (as many of the listed roles are not included in this game.)

[Barkeep49]

Ok so I didn't understand it correctly. So we could have a Cowboy Mayor, for instance? The Town roles encompass both good and bad guys? I think the use of Town threw me since it is so close to villager, which we are used to be good guys.

[Alan T]

Ok so I didn't understand it correctly. So we could have a Cowboy Mayor, for instance? The Town roles encompass both good and bad guys? I think the use of Town threw me since it is so close to villager, which we are used to be good guys.

Its the wild west, town officials have been known to be prone to corruption. There are likely a few individuals who are fairly standup and wouldn't sell out, but I bet most would be available for the right price.

[Lathum]

alanT, question. If you challenge someone to a showdown do you know what weapon YOU have?

[bulletsponge]

i just want to say for the record i most likely will be more confrontational this game, due to the possibilities of gunfights. id rather die in a hail of bullets than on the end of a rope

[Barkeep49]

Ooh sounds good. So I have justification for my Day 1 vote, for a game reason, and the game hasn't even started. You're the best bullet.

[bulletsponge]

Ooh sounds good. So I have justification for my Day 1 vote, for a game reason, and the game hasn't even started. You're the best bullet.

http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/gun%20thug.gif

[Alan T]

alanT, question. If you challenge someone to a showdown do you know what weapon YOU have?

Everyone knows what their posessions are at the start of the game and any updates as the game progresses

[hoopsguy]

Watch Bullet, after all his pre-game talk, end up being the tramp :)

[bulletsponge]

Watch Bullet, after all his pre-game talk, end up being the tramp :)

i would use my hot womanly charm to get peeps to fight then. btw as the hot chick i might still carry a dillinger

[hoopsguy]

"Bulletsponge, you're not wearing a bustle. How lewd!"

Note - role received and I'm not Doc Holliday, or holding a role that could readily be confused with him. Just like quoting this movie.

[st.cronin]

I have recieved my role as well. Is there any good reason to announce our roles or keep them secret?

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I don't see a good reason for publishing role info out of the gate. I just don't want someone to come in as a soothsayer and jump on me for quoting Holliday when I'm not him. That would be a really stupid way to die.

[bulletsponge]

awaiting role

[bulletsponge]

dola i want to be holliday *cross fingers*

[Barkeep49]

I think we should publish our roles. I am, and I am not making this up, a bartender. So get your ale here. I don't know if this was random or not, but either way it rocks. I love tending bar.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, I don't see a good reason for publishing role info out of the gate. I just don't want someone to come in as a soothsayer and jump on me for quoting Holliday when I'm not him. That would be a really stupid way to die.

Understood.

Whatever special abilities are attached to my role are hidden even from me, as none were mentioned. At this point, I'm just a regular ol non-cowboy.

[Barkeep49]

hmm... maybe i shouldn't have announced that yet.

[bulletsponge]

gimme a beer!

[st.cronin]

I think we should publish our roles.

Why?

[bulletsponge]

Why?

because hes drinking his own supply

[Barkeep49]

Why?
Because we learn nothing about the goodness or the badness of a person from their roles, or at least not inehrently. However, as people start to die and we learn more about abilities we might be able to deduct from the information what kind of role is likely to lean bad guy and what kind of role would lean good guy. As I say over and over again in these games more information helps the villagers. Lack of information is the villagers biggest hinderance in a ww game so anything which gets accurate information out there is good for the good guys.

[Alan T]

I think we should publish our roles. I am, and I am not making this up, a bartender. So get your ale here. I don't know if this was random or not, but either way it rocks. I love tending bar.

All roles were assigned via random.org. I'm 1/3 of the way exactly through PMing out the roles currently. If the board wouldn't keep timing out for me, this would be much faster!

[Barkeep49]

Well random.org is the greatest then :).

[bulletsponge]

i got my role *hic*

anybody want to by me a drink pardner

[st.cronin]

Because we learn nothing about the goodness or the badness of a person from their roles, or at least not inehrently. However, as people start to die and we learn more about abilities we might be able to deduct from the information what kind of role is likely to lean bad guy and what kind of role would lean good guy. As I say over and over again in these games more information helps the villagers. Lack of information is the villagers biggest hinderance in a ww game so anything which gets accurate information out there is good for the good guys.

Ok, I think I agree with this. I am the adventure-seeking young man.

[Barkeep49]

Bullet I am here for all of your drinking needs. All of them.

[bulletsponge]

Bullet I am here for all of your drinking needs. All of them.


well get me a whiskey before i shoot your rat hole establishment up!

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I'm all for revealing information at the appropriate time. But I'm not quite ready to show my hand an hour into the game. If that means I pick up some extra scrutiny early, then I suppose that is something I'll just have to deal with.

[bulletsponge]

http://www.smileyhut.com/eat_drink/burp.gif

as you might guess i like the booze

[bulletsponge]

Barkeep, I'm all for revealing information at the appropriate time. But I'm not quite ready to show my hand an hour into the game. If that means I pick up some extra scrutiny early, then I suppose that is something I'll just have to deal with.

ill keep my main non drinkin role to myself for a bit too. if anyone gets on me about it i will reveal it in a most unpleasent way

[bulletsponge]

dola

btw the game hasnt started up yet, but ive started drinkin. gimmie another round Barkeep http://www.smileyhut.com/eat_drink/drink.gif

[Lathum]

ill keep my main non drinkin role to myself for a bit too. if anyone gets on me about it i will reveal it in a most unpleasent way

slut?

[hoopsguy]

ill keep my main non drinkin role to myself for a bit too. if anyone gets on me about it i will reveal it in a most unpleasent way

VD was probably pretty unpleasant back in the day ...

[bulletsponge]

VD was probably pretty unpleasant back in the day ...

speaking from experience are you?

[bulletsponge]

slut?

jump on my lap and find out

[Alan T]

All roles have been sent out, and each was personalized to not give clues for building a CoT from PMs. As with most WW games, quoting of PMs is not allowed. If you have questions about what is permissable, feel free to ask me.

I'll start the game with my next post after this. Good luck to all and I Hope its fun for all :)

[Barkeep49]

Here ya go Bullet.

[Alan T]

The morning starts with the sun appearing to the horizon to the east. You wake thinking this might be your day to make it rich, you can smell the money in the air.

Rumors of more cowboy activities outside of town has been spreading as people say they have been robbing local farms of horses. Word has it the local town Sheriff Fred White was killed trying to prevent these thiefs from making off with stolen goods just yesterday. Surely the good people of Tombstone won't settle for this too long, right?

Tired players:
None

Current Sheriff:
No Sheriff

Currently in Jail:
Jail is Empty.

Deadline for Day1: 9:00pm EST Monday night. A new Sheriff is needed to be elected today.

[Barkeep49]

Vote bulletsponge

I'm happy to take his money with the booze, but anyone who promises to be agressive ahead of time is good for a D1 vote from me.

[Alan T]

Just a reminder, you can only lynch people who are in jail. For today, the only legal vote is an election vote for sheriff.

To prevent confusion between the two votes, please label as:

Elect Alan T

or

Lynch Alan T.

You can have more than one lynching in a day if multiple people are in jail, but for today the only legal vote is the sheriff election.

[LoneStarGirl]

finally we get started. Any ideas who to vote for for Sherrif?

[LoneStarGirl]

I think that a woman sherrif is just what this town needs

[ntndeacon]

I think that a woman sherrif is just what this town needs

hmmm methinks someone is already getting power hungry. I don't have a reason for a vote yet. so iwill do it randomly.

Elect Hoops

[st.cronin]

Ok, so whoever is the sherriff will likely be a target of the cowboys. I'm going to assume that there is some balance for that. Anyway, since I'm the only one I really trust...

elect st.cronin

We do need to elect a sherriff, though, so let's avoid an 18 way tie.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, just want to make sure you understand that sporting the silver star is likely to put a target on you. If you are comfortable with that, and that we are not going to be hurt too badly from potentially losing your role early in the game, then I'll throw my vote behind you.

[Chubby]

Good ole townsperson here.

I agree in that whoever is Sheriff is going to have a huge target on them.

[Alan T]

Ok, so whoever is the sherriff will likely be a target of the cowboys. I'm going to assume that there is some balance for that. Anyway, since I'm the only one I really trust...

elect st.cronin

We do need to elect a sherriff, though, so let's avoid an 18 way tie.

Just to be fair so this isn't information that just one side or the other has, it's assumed at night times as long as the Sheriff does Sheriff duties, he does it with a group of deputies and is safe from night kills. If a Sheriff performs any non-Sheriff night actions as well however then they are fair game for that night.

The sheriff is not protected from day-time showdowns or other form of night activities besides attacks however. This should have been clearer in the rules, so wanting to spell it out before it becomes a strategy issue.

[bulletsponge]

Ok, so whoever is the sherriff will likely be a target of the cowboys. I'm going to assume that there is some balance for that. Anyway, since I'm the only one I really trust...

elect st.cronin

We do need to elect a sherriff, though, so let's avoid an 18 way tie.

wow now thats power hungry

Elect LSG

[Chief Rum]

Ok, so whoever is the sherriff will likely be a target of the cowboys. I'm going to assume that there is some balance for that. Anyway, since I'm the only one I really trust...

elect st.cronin

We do need to elect a sherriff, though, so let's avoid an 18 way tie.

Actually, while I am sure that wearing the star will make that person more of a target of the cowboys, the fact that a new sheriff will just be elected will limit their desire to go after him or her specifically, I think.

It would be more to the cowboys' advantage, I think, to try and get their man placed in the position, where he can control who is put in and released from jail.

And actually, I think revealing roles just puts the target more on those who have revealed. For instance, I think Barkeep just put a huge target on himself. His role definition states he knows or can ferret out information on just about anyone in town--including cowboys I imagine. When I first read the role, I thought it was sorta like a seer--which means BK may have outed himself as a seer from the very beginning. I doubt that will end up being very wise.

Back to sheriff, I would suppose we should get some volunteers, as it isn't a position without risk. And usually sheriffs choose to go for that role.

I will not be putting my hat in for sheriff.

[bulletsponge]

Vote bulletsponge

I'm happy to take his money with the booze, but anyone who promises to be agressive ahead of time is good for a D1 vote from me.

umm is that a vote for sheriff or jail? my finger is getting itchy also

[bulletsponge]

And actually, I think revealing roles just puts the target more on those who have revealed. For instance, I think Barkeep just put a huge target on himself. His role definition states he knows or can ferret out information on just about anyone in town--including cowboys I imagine. When I first read the role, I thought it was sorta like a seer--which means BK may have outed himself as a seer from the very beginning. I doubt that will end up being very wise

with all due respect, i have serious doubts Barkeep would give away his role so early. he might be baiting an attack. besides he keeps me drunk http://www.smileyhut.com/eat_drink/drunk.gif

[bulletsponge]

Good ole townsperson here.

I agree in that whoever is Sheriff is going to have a huge target on them.


just a reminder Chubby, stay outta *hic* my way.

[Barkeep49]

whoops, guess that wasn't clear.

lynch the town drunk, bulletsponge

[bulletsponge]

Back to sheriff, I would suppose we should get some volunteers, as it isn't a position without risk. And usually sheriffs choose to go for that role

LSG and Cronin both are campaigning for the job it seems. Lonestargirl is a good sheriff name

[st.cronin]

Cronin, just want to make sure you understand that sporting the silver star is likely to put a target on you. If you are comfortable with that, and that we are not going to be hurt too badly from potentially losing your role early in the game, then I'll throw my vote behind you.

I do understand that. As I said, I also assume there is some balance in the game to prevent every sherriff that isn't a villain from being assasinated.

[Barkeep49]

with all due respect, i have serious doubts Barkeep would give away his role so early. he might be baiting an attack. besides he keeps me drunk http://www.smileyhut.com/eat_drink/drunk.gif
Doubt or not, it's the truth. I am a bartender. I tend bar. I remain hopeful that people other than cronin will join me in revealing their roles. Again, as I preach game after game, information helps the good guys, as the bad guys almost always have more complete information than the good guys. When we are informed we are able to act in concert, the same as the bad guys. So I hope we can ge some more information out there.

[bulletsponge]

whoops, guess that wasn't clear.

lynch the town drunk, bulletsponge


WTF! who says im the town drunk! you best take that vote back, cause i wont go down without a fight http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/gun%20thug.gif


you have until tomorow afternoon to unvote me or ill meet you in the streets

[hoopsguy]

Looks like this is going to be a little more interesting than our usual Day 1.

[Barkeep49]

Bullet i think you need to have another drink.

[Fouts]

Townsperson checking in. I might have the most boring role in the game.

elect LSG

[st.cronin]

Looks like this is going to be a little more interesting than our usual Day 1.

It's still a crapshoot, though. Nobody knows for sure whether me or LSG is wolf or villager.

[SnDvls]

I'll throw my name in the ring for sheriff. if people are looking for more people to vote on. I think this is a role we need to have filled ASAP though...even if it's not someone we fully trust to start off with.

I'm a town folk BTW checking in.

[SnDvls]

BK - I don't think you can lynch until somone is in jail

[bulletsponge]

BK - I don't think you can lynch until somone is in jail

your right. i was too drunk to realize that. but still BK better drop that lynch vote by high noon

[Barkeep49]

So all we can do is elect a sherrif? Well in that case I will go with the guy, who, ya know, is providing information. Again information being good for the villagers.

elect st.cronin

[Racer]

Hey y'all. Villager checking in. Although a cowboy might campaign for the job, I think it would be suicidal for them to release their own kind if they were voted to be lynched. It would draw to much suspicion for them to do that. We probably need someone who is willing to lynch everyone who is sent to jail.

[Barkeep49]

I think shooting an unarmed bartender is not the way to go bullet.

[bulletsponge]

I think shooting an unarmed bartender is not the way to go bullet.


then you should take back your lynch vote. and dont put killing an unarmed man past me. im going to be drunken aggressive this game

[bulletsponge]

dola,

i mean im playing my role

[Abe Sargent]

I don't think we should vote for someone who is volunteering

[Chief Rum]

Doubt or not, it's the truth. I am a bartender. I tend bar. I remain hopeful that people other than cronin will join me in revealing their roles. Again, as I preach game after game, information helps the good guys, as the bad guys almost always have more complete information than the good guys. When we are informed we are able to act in concert, the same as the bad guys. So I hope we can ge some more information out there.

I understand what you're saying, but there are two issues I have with that:

1. There is some information we just shouldn't have out there this early. One such bit of info is if your role has some seer-like qualities to it. I don't know the specifics of your PM, of course, but the public description of your role certainly lends itself to this. I suspect the wolves will go after you before they even go after the sheriff. Other info to keep hidden: being a bodyguard or a duke. And I suspect in this game, we won't want to reveal we have a gun either.

2. There are so many possible roles in this game that it might be easier for a cowboy to "reveal" as you suggest by picking one of the roles not already claimed in the later stages of some revelations. Too much information not only provides with wolves with targets, but it also gives them more information by which to appear to be villagers themselves.

IMO, we need to be careful about revealing, but not to the point of not revealing nothing. There is a fine balance to be played here.

BTW, I will elect the first sheriff who makes the campaign promise that he will jail bullet on Night 1. That guy's annoying the heck out of me. ;)

[Thomkal]

:::tips his hat to everyone then shuffles a deck of cards:::

Greetings gents and especially you ladies. Anyone for a hand of blackjack or a round of 5 card draw?

I don't have a vice for power so the sheriff role doesn't interest me, I likely will not elect a sheriff who does not reveal their role first. But that's just me.

[Chief Rum]

I don't think we should vote for someone who is volunteering

Is it more risky that we just vote by random? While I think there is a risk in the cowboys infiltrating the office with a candidate, I do agree with the earlier post that it will be difficult for them to help their compatriots while in office because of how open their actions will be to the entire town.

I also think the people who step up to sheriff are likely to be people who have less to fear from the cowboys; i.e. they have a means of protecting themselves. Or they are taking a proactive role to findign the cowboys by ensuring they themselves are in place to do damage to them.

Although running for sheriff is not a free pass without further evidence, I am willing to give candidates the benefit of the doubt.

I actually find it interesting that I am the only one so far who has explicitly stated I do NOT want to be sheriff.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'd prefered not to have had the bartender role, but if I start calling for a reveal and then later claim bartender that looks suspicious. I understand those who are reluctant to admit their role, but well I stay by what I've said.

[Chief Rum]

:::tips his hat to everyone then shuffles a deck of cards:::

Greetings gents and especially you ladies. Anyone for a hand of blackjack or a round of 5 card draw?

I don't have a vice for power so the sheriff role doesn't interest me, I likely will not elect a sheriff who does not reveal their role first. But that's just me.

You are the dealer then?

So we have now...

Barkeep == bartender
st. cronin == adventure-seeking young man
Thomkal == dealer
bullet == not sure, but clearly has a vice of alcohol. He wanted to be the retired dentist, who also happens to like gambling and drinking, but that would be extremely unlikely, as AlanT said the roles were assigned by random.

[Barkeep49]

Chief: Why would I want to deny myself the opportunity to gain some free protection not to mention the chance to help the villagers? I've cast my vote for someone else, which is my way of saying "I'm not trying to be sherrif" but I why wouldn't you want the perks?

[Racer]

I don't think we should vote for someone who is volunteering

I believe Alan T mentions in his first post under game rules that fifty percent or more of the people in Tombstone need to vote for the same person. Therefore, everyone randomly voting would not work.

[Chief Rum]

Chief: Why would I want to deny myself the opportunity to gain some free protection not to mention the chance to help the villagers? I've cast my vote for someone else, which is my way of saying "I'm not trying to be sherrif" but I why wouldn't you want the perks?

But if this is like other WW games, at best you may earn yourself protection from a bodyguard for one night. Likely they will not have the option of protecting you the next night. What then? Do you talk the sheriff into putting you in jail? Not only would you then not be able to use any night actions to help us, but bullet might kill us all in an alcohol-deprived mad rage.

[Barkeep49]

You are the sherrif. To me, as long as the people don't elect a new one, you are invincible.

[Chief Rum]

dola,

Also, nothing says you can't help the town in secret. That is what seers oftne do, in fact, staying hidden. If you do indeed have seer-like abilities, I think the immediate boon of your revelation will end up falling well short of what good you could do in the long term by keeping quiet, as you will in the case of the former be shot or knifed dead as soon as you can be gotten to.

[bulletsponge]

i dont want to be sheriff, but there are some people who desperatly need killin. every game im in the good peeps are always tryin to get me hanged on day one. well i hope yall realize im goina go out with a bang before that happens this time

[bulletsponge]

:::tips his hat to everyone then shuffles a deck of cards:::

Greetings gents and especially you ladies. Anyone for a hand of blackjack or a round of 5 card draw?

I don't have a vice for power so the sheriff role doesn't interest me, I likely will not elect a sheriff who does not reveal their role first. But that's just me.

deal me in pardner, ill take a wager or 2 with ya. just dont cheat me. i dont take kindly to cheaters

[Chief Rum]

You are the sherrif. To me, as long as the people don't elect a new one, you are invincible.

But you're not going for sheriff, are you? I'm having trouble linking your comment to whatever post prompted it.

[Alan T]

I believe Alan T mentions in his first post under game rules that fifty percent or more of the people in Tombstone need to vote for the same person. Therefore, everyone randomly voting would not work.

Just to answer this question, here is from the rules listed in post 1. In the case of a vacated position (due to death or other reasons) just a simple majority vote elects someone to the position.


The Sheriff election is not a mandatory vote, so posting to not choose a new sheriff is unecessary. In the case of an election to replace the currently alive Sheriff in the job, the townspeople must have greater than 50% of the remaining players in the game choose to elect the sheriff. In the case of an election to replace a vacated sheriff position due to death, simple majority vote will be the new sheriff. In all cases, tie-election votes result in no change of the sheriff (even in the case of a vacated job).


More than 50% of the people only applies in voting someone in as sheriff while you currently have a sheriff.

[Chief Rum]

I believe Alan T mentions in his first post under game rules that fifty percent or more of the people in Tombstone need to vote for the same person. Therefore, everyone randomly voting would not work.

Actually, majority only applies when there is a standing sheriff; i.e. to replace him or her. In situations like this one where there is currently no sheriff, plurality (most votes, regardless of percentage of votes given or voting population) rules.

So if we have 19 single votes, and st. cronin gets 2, then st. cronin is in.

[Chief Rum]

Heh, heh, AlanT beat me to the punch.

[saldana]

i have no desire to be sheriff...i am more than comfortable enough in my current profession that i see no reason to make myself a target of the cowboys.

[Barkeep49]

But you're not going for sheriff, are you? I'm having trouble linking your comment to whatever post prompted it.
I was tlaking about why being the sherrif was good. As long as you are the sherrif you are invincible. You argued the deputies were only good for one night. I said, ah not so. You are the sherrif and those deputies protect you as long as you are the sherrif. This is why I think being the sherrif is so important. So important I am going to change my vote to the guy who I think is most likely a good guy right now (besides myself). While I like cronin, and if it's a two horse race would have no qualms about voting for him, I think for now

Unelect cronin
Elect Chief as my sherrif.

[st.cronin]

I was tlaking about why being the sherrif was good. As long as you are the sherrif you are invincible. You argued the deputies were only good for one night. I said, ah not so. You are the sherrif and those deputies protect you as long as you are the sherrif. This is why I think being the sherrif is so important. So important I am going to change my vote to the guy who I think is most likely a good guy right now (besides myself). While I like cronin, and if it's a two horse race would have no qualms about voting for him, I think for now

Unelect cronin
Elect Chief as my sherrif.

Is there anything SPECIFIC about CR's posts that make you think he's good? Or is it just a vibe?

[LoneStarGirl]

wow, 9 people in here, we should get a good discussion up and running

[LoneStarGirl]

It would be nice to be sherrif, but only because I probably have the most boring villager role out there.

[Racer]

Hey y'all. Villager checking in. Although a cowboy might campaign for the job, I think it would be suicidal for them to release their own kind if they were voted to be lynched. It would draw to much suspicion for them to do that. We probably need someone who is willing to lynch everyone who is sent to jail.


Okay I just reread the rules. If I understand the rules correctly (which I already misunderstood once), then villagers only vote to lynch someone who is currently in jail and cannot vote to put someone in jail, correct? If this is the case, then we need a sheriff who is going to listen to popular opinion when deciding who to put into jail and release from jail.

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little concerned about having Chief in the role of Sheriff. Not so much out of concern of him being evil - don't feel that way at the moment - but because of his usual schedule.

My preference would be to have the Sheriff be someone who is more available to participate in the discussion. The Sheriff is going to have the ability to make life and death decisions - I don't want them to auto-execute or auto-jail. I think it is considerably more difficult for the Sheriff to have to catch up on 200+ posts each night in order to make good decisions. I would prefer to have someone who is around to react to breaking information to provide me with the opportunity to interact with them.

The schedule is a contributing factor for me not pushing for the role - work has the potential to be pretty dicey. I don't really want to put the town in a position where I won't be able to make the best decisions.

I know CR has actively said he doesn't want the role. But Barkeep has now voted for him and others have suggested voting for people who are not campaigning for the job.

[Thomkal]

deal me in pardner, ill take a wager or 2 with ya. just dont cheat me. i dont take kindly to cheaters

:::deals a hand of blackjack:::

No cheating here sir, I don't take kindly to having a hole in my head. Good luck to you.

[Chief Rum]

I was tlaking about why being the sherrif was good. As long as you are the sherrif you are invincible. You argued the deputies were only good for one night. I said, ah not so. You are the sherrif and those deputies protect you as long as you are the sherrif. This is why I think being the sherrif is so important. So important I am going to change my vote to the guy who I think is most likely a good guy right now (besides myself). While I like cronin, and if it's a two horse race would have no qualms about voting for him, I think for now

Unelect cronin
Elect Chief as my sherrif.

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, I will once again state my desire not to be the sheirff. I don't believe my role, which I would not choose to reveal at this time, is conducive to being sheriff, although I don't believe there is a restriction against it in the rules.

Were the townfolk to vote me sheriff, I suppose I would perform the role as best as I could and to defeat the cowboys, but if given the option (not apparent in the rules), I would probably turn the office down.

Aside from my role, I also have other information about myself that makes me believe I am not suitable for the job.

[bulletsponge]

:::deals a hand of blackjack:::

No cheating here sir, I don't take kindly to having a hole in my head. Good luck to you.

hehe ok. your one of the few here who havnt been asking for one

[bulletsponge]

It would be nice to be sherrif, but only because I probably have the most boring villager role out there.

Id like to reaffirm my Sheriff vote for LSG

LSG for sheriff

i dont trust a cagy vet in that role right now. and i dig chicks with guns http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/gunsmilie.gif

[Chief Rum]

I'm a little concerned about having Chief in the role of Sheriff. Not so much out of concern of him being evil - don't feel that way at the moment - but because of his usual schedule.

My preference would be to have the Sheriff be someone who is more available to participate in the discussion. The Sheriff is going to have the ability to make life and death decisions - I don't want them to auto-execute or auto-jail. I think it is considerably more difficult for the Sheriff to have to catch up on 200+ posts each night in order to make good decisions. I would prefer to have someone who is around to react to breaking information to provide me with the opportunity to interact with them.

The schedule is a contributing factor for me not pushing for the role - work has the potential to be pretty dicey. I don't really want to put the town in a position where I won't be able to make the best decisions.

I know CR has actively said he doesn't want the role. But Barkeep has now voted for him and others have suggested voting for people who are not campaigning for the job.

I tend to agree with this, as my schedule is going to be an issue on some days (I believe I will be working both jobs Tue and Wed this week, which means I am on very early and very late only). On the other days, I will not be available for much discussion in the day time, but I will return home from work to read discussion, get a vote in and participate in the discussions in and around the deadline and at night.

That said, if people weren't too concerned about the sheriff's participation in discussions, but more about the choices he would make, I would be available to read through all discussions and make night actions as appropriate. My schedule won't inhibit me there.

[Glengoyne]

Checking in. I had to review the rules, and catch up.

[LoneStarGirl]

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

[LoneStarGirl]

Id like to reaffirm my Sheriff vote for LSG

LSG for sheriff

i dont trust a cagy vet in that role right now. and i dig chicks with guns http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/gunsmilie.gif

Thanks Bullet. I am a teacher so I get home around 4 every day, and have weekends off so i'll be here a lot.... But i dont have a vice for power, so either way is good for me.

[Alan T]

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

If you are elected, you are elected. Doesn't mean you have to do any of the sheriff duties however if you so choose. Not sure though if the fine people of Tombstone would appreciate their Sheriff taking a vacation the first day on the job though!

[Glengoyne]

So LSG and Cronin are campaigning for sheriff.

Anyone else throwing their proverbial hat into the ring?

This simple townperson would like to be an informed voter, so I'll be holding off backing a particular candidate for now.

[Chief Rum]

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

I don't believe you can. I'm just saying if I were voted into the office, I may seriously consider turning it down if that is an option. If it is not, though, I would perform the office to the fullest of my abilities.

[bulletsponge]

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

ill vote for someone else if you dont want the job

[spleen1015]

Another villager checking in.

Like some, I am against role reveals at this time.

[Chief Rum]

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

[Glengoyne]

Oh yeah,

If Karma means anything, then I probably owe LSG a vote for sheriff 'cause I screwed up and got her killed as a rookie.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh yeah,

If Karma means anything, then I probably owe LSG a vote for sheriff 'cause I screwed up and got her killed as a rookie.

Sure did, on my second game to ever play. I'll get you back for that one day Glengoyne ;)

[Glengoyne]

Chief may in fact be on to something. He would still be susceptible to showdowns, but killing a key town's person sounds like the fast track to a cowboy lynching.

[LoneStarGirl]

ill vote for someone else if you dont want the job

I was referring to what Chief had said earlier... about him not wanting the Sherrif job.

[bulletsponge]

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

but Barkeep wants me to hang

[spleen1015]

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

[Racer]

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

I think I agree with this so my vote will be the same.

ELECT BARKEEP

[Abe Sargent]

i have no desire to be sheriff...i am more than comfortable enough in my current profession that i see no reason to make myself a target of the cowboys.

Elect saldana


I was always taught to draft someone who doesn;t want to be the leader, because then they'll do the best job.


-Anxiety

[Chief Rum]

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

Townsperson checking in. I might have the most boring role in the game.

elect LSG

Hold on, lemme guess. Is it "the"? (first one, not second)

[hoopsguy]

Definitely interested in hearing about the one word.

I found it interesting that both LSG and Fouts claim to have very boring jobs. But I didn't take it to be a jailing offense at this point.

[Alan T]

Extended Day 1 voting so far:

Sheriff election:

(1) hoopsguy - ntndeacon (104)
(2) St.cronin - St.cronin (105), Spleen (174)
(2) Lonestargirl - Bulletsponge (109), Fouts (121)
(1) Chiefrum - Barkeep (149)
(2) Barkeep - Chief Rum (168), Racer (175)
(1) Saldana - Anxiety (176)

Lynch votes:

No prisoners in jail to be sentenced today.

[Lathum]

checking in, so far I'm not sure what to make of the role reveals people have made so far. I am gonna keep to myself for the time being. As for the sherif role I think we are pretty much taking a crapshoot at this point. I think one thing we need to make sure of is that we narrow it down to a few candidates because this is where we are going to start basing out voting patterns off of. For now

VOTE LSG

I think if we stick to one main candidate it would make it much harder for the cowboys to try and get their own person elected and if LSG is a cowboy we look at the patterns.

[spleen1015]

Hold on, lemme guess. Is it "the"? (first one, not second)

No. It was the 'I'. Only a cowboy would capitalize the 'I'! :D

All kidding asside, I know Alan T said he gave each person a different PM to avoid any CoT being built from PMs, but that can only go so far, IMO.

Fouts referred to himself as a 'Townsperson'. Knowing that I'm not a cowboy, I was told I was something other than a 'Townsperson'.

There you go.

[st.cronin]

but Barkeep wants me to hang

No, he just wants you jailed.

[Lathum]

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

interesting, care to elaborate?

[st.cronin]

No. It was the 'I'. Only a cowboy would capitalize the 'I'! :D

All kidding asside, I know Alan T said he gave each person a different PM to avoid any CoT being built from PMs, but that can only go so far, IMO.

Fouts referred to himself as a 'Townsperson'. Knowing that I'm not a cowboy, I was told I was something other than a 'Townsperson'.

There you go.

um, that's pretty weak imo

[bulletsponge]

No, he just wants you jailed.

No he wants me hanged! i hope he has an bartendin ability that he can find out that i am a humble townsfolk, not a cowboy. or else ill have to kill him

[Chief Rum]

um, that's pretty weak imo

Well, he [i]is[/]i] voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents. ;)

[spleen1015]

um, that's pretty weak imo

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

[Chief Rum]

Well, he [i]is[/]i] voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents. ;)

Lemme try again...

Well, he is voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents. ;)

Much better.

[bulletsponge]

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.


i agree. 2 of them are out to get me just cause i drink a bit.

[Chief Rum]

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

Well, if your going to go down the road of not wanting me as sheriff, I fully support you there. As for your logic getting there, though, I'm not a friend of cowboys, I assure you. And I don't get a bad vibe from Barkeep at all. If he's a cowboy, he has played it very well to this point.

Racer hasn't said much beyond his vote, so I can't really comment on him.

[Chief Rum]

i agree. 2 of them are out to get me just cause i drink a bit.

Naw, I am just out to get you because I think you're overplaying your role a touch (and making too many "idle" threats about killing people). ;)

Seriously, I don't have any desire to see you hanged (at least right now).

[bulletsponge]

Naw, I am just out to get you because I think you're overplaying your role a touch (and making too many "idle" threats about killing people). ;)

Seriously, I don't have any desire to see you hanged (at least right now).

what! are you calling me a lyin yellow bellied chicken?

[Chief Rum]

what! are you calling me a lyin yellow bellied chicken?

Nope, I would say you're a too truthful, rashfully brave townsperson, with courage fueled and vision blurred by alcohol. :)

[bulletsponge]

Nope, I would say you're a too truthful, rashfully brave townsperson, with courage fueled and vision blurred by alcohol. :)

is that an insult?!



no really is it? i gotta drink less and gamble more

[Lathum]

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

[spleen1015]

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

I don't think he is lying. I think he has seer-like abilities, while being a cowboy.

[Chief Rum]

is that an insult?!



no really is it? i gotta drink less and gamble more

No insult. I enjoy having your gun around, as long as you're one of us.

[st.cronin]

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

There is nothing in the rules about roles being inherently good or bad. He could be telling the truth about his role, and still be a cowboy. Also, he didn't claim to be the seer - we are just guessing what his 'role' might allow him to do.

[path12]

Wow, lots going on early. Just checking in, don't believe I have much of a role but I'm going to hang on to it for now while I get a sense of what's going on.

As for sheriff, I believe I'll wait and see there also. I'm not sure how I feel about those who campaign for it.

I guess to sum up, I'm here but have nothin' ;)

[Racer]

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.


I am pretty sure Chief Rum was applying logic to his vote for Barkeep as sheriff. When I read the role descriptions I also thought the role of the bartender could very well be the seer as did Chief Rum. That is the reason why I voted for Barkeep. Also, there have been quite a few people so far that have said their vote has been "random".


While I'm not sure I agree with Barkeep's push to reveal roles, I don't think that indicates he is a Cowboy. I promise you that I am no cowboy.

[bulletsponge]

are we in a night action time?

[Alan T]

are we in a night action time?

No, today is an extended day 1 since it started in the evening on Sunday. Daytime will run until 9pm EST Monday night. Then we will go to the normal 12/12 clock.

Also you can check the thread title for the current deadline at any time, I will keep that updated throughout the day.

[hoopsguy]

I'll put my vote behind Cronin for now, as long as he does not jail/lynch Fouts for the word "Townsperson".

Spleen, I'll extend sincere apologies to you if at the end of the game you were exactly right on this Day 1 theory. But I like your Barkeep theory a little better.

It raises an interesting question - just how badly do the Cowboys want to be elected Sheriff?

VOTE CRONIN

[spleen1015]

I'll put my vote behind Cronin for now, as long as he does not jail/lynch Fouts for the word "Townsperson".

Spleen, I'll extend sincere apologies to you if at the end of the game you were exactly right on this Day 1 theory.

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything at all. I believe I was the first person to pick up on the PM CoT, 'simple survivor', during the Lost game. I doubt it will be that easy again.

[st.cronin]

hoops, I'm actually going to bow out because of something I didn't think of earlier and which I would rather not get into yet.

I don't know who to vote for, though - this is just a guess.

unelect st.cronin

elect Lonestargirl

I urge people not to vote for me.

[Chief Rum]

I don't think he is lying. I think he has seer-like abilities, while being a cowboy.

I find it very unlikely he is a cowboy. Like Lathum said, it's way too risky of a move to make at this point. A townsperson might be a little rash and do this, because there are many townspeople. A cowboy would not want to attract such attention, because there probably isn't more than 3-4 of them. If his ploy backfires and he is killed, that is a significant blow to the cowboys.

Plus, let's say he is a cowboy and doesn't get protection or the Sheriff's job (which, BTW, he has never campaigned for nor did he vote for himself). Wouldn't it be suspicious if he doesn't get killed within the first couple nights? And without bodyguard protection, Night One?

Personally, I'm not willing to risk losing a seer just to prove he's on our side. I will go with Occam's Razor, figure he's a good townsperson and vote him in to Sheriff to protect him.

[Barkeep49]

spleen I appreciate what you're saying and all. I had the fortune of playing basically my first 3 or 4 games as a wolf. And I saw first hand how the lack of information was the wolf's biggest advantage. When there was a seer or reveal or some such that could even the playing field. Then when I played as a villager I got lynched because I wanted reveals, just like I do now. I am always among the foremost people in trying to form a circle of trust. It is circles of trust that win games. Period. In this game, I just think it makes sense for EVERYBODY to reveal their roles. I mean if the bad guys don't all have roles, which I think is a distinct possiblity, they are forced to make something up. So if somebody made up some role like, say, hotelier, and we probe deeper we might come up with something suspicous. Or if we start killing people and learn the details of their roles we can start to see a pattern amongst the good guy roles. Information = villagers good friend. I was hinting at this strategy even before the game started and I'm trying to implement it now. By my count, including my role, we have three reveals so far. I wish there would be more. Anything that makes the Cowboys scramble seem slike a good deal to me.

[bulletsponge]

I find it very unlikely he is a cowboy. Like Lathum said, it's way too risky of a move to make at this point. A townsperson might be a little rash and do this, because there are many townspeople. A cowboy would not want to attract such attention, because there probably isn't more than 3-4 of them. If his ploy backfires and he is killed, that is a significant blow to the cowboys.

Plus, let's say he is a cowboy and doesn't get protection or the Sheriff's job (which, BTW, he has never campaigned for nor did he vote for himself). Wouldn't it be suspicious if he doesn't get killed within the first couple nights? And without bodyguard protection, Night One?

Personally, I'm not willing to risk losing a seer just to prove he's on our side. I will go with Occam's Razor, figure he's a good townsperson and vote him in to Sheriff to protect him.


you sure are standing up for Barkeep a lot. and yall both voted for me to go to jail. hmmm

[path12]

Does everyone have a vice? And can there be multiple vices for a particular person?

[Barkeep49]

I have to say I'm VERY uncomfortable with all this speculation of me as a seer. I had hoped by ignoring it the meme would drop. Without getting into too much detail, my role clearly, as explained publicly, has to do with information. However, I have no clue about the quality of this information, first of all, and second of all my getting the information is not guarenteed. If I was a traditional seer, I would have changed my gameplan and not pushed for this role reveal. Now beyond that I am simply NOT going to speculate more about my role.

[Barkeep49]

Does everyone have a vice? And can there be multiple vices for a particular person?
Not everyone has a vice, if my interpretation of the rules is correct (as it mentions people being immune to vices).

[Chief Rum]

you sure are standing up for Barkeep a lot. and yall both voted for me to go to jail. hmmm

bullet, I am standing up for Barkeep because I strongly believe he has seer-like qualities and he will die on Night One if he isn't protected. I know you know the value of seers, so I would question why you're not standing up with me to protect him.

Also, if Barkeep and I were in cahoots (as in cowboys), why would we vote for each other? One would vote for himself, and the other for that same person to get two votes on one person. Neither Barkeep nor I have even advocated for being Sheriff, and I have actively said I do not want the position.

Also, I disagree with him on his particular reveal, even if I understand and somewhat support his general stance on revealing helping us townsfolk.

I think about the only thing Barkeep and I agree on right now is that we both believe the other is not a cowboy.

[hoopsguy]

Chief Rum, my biggest problem with Barkeep is that I do not understand why he would reveal in the first 30 minutes as either a seer or as a role with the potential to be a seer. Guess that is part of what makes the game fun - that someone I've played 10+ games with can still surprise the heck out of me from time to time.

I get what he is saying about Circle of Trust - I'm a big fan. But the way I see it the risk/reward isn't there if he is what I believe him to be. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here.

[Chief Rum]

I have to say I'm VERY uncomfortable with all this speculation of me as a seer. I had hoped by ignoring it the meme would drop. Without getting into too much detail, my role clearly, as explained publicly, has to do with information. However, I have no clue about the quality of this information, first of all, and second of all my getting the information is not guarenteed. If I was a traditional seer, I would have changed my gameplan and not pushed for this role reveal. Now beyond that I am simply NOT going to speculate more about my role.

Well, that makes your move a little more understandable then, if you did not believe you were a seer (and I'm sure you have a better idea of that than I).

That said, I think it's perception. Even if the bartender is not the seer, his description sounds like a seer. So whether you are or not is irrelevant--if the wolves think you are a seer, they will kill you. And only a complete newbie group of wolves would miss the implications of your role reveal, even without the following discussion which targeted it.

Honestly, I fear you may have put yourself on the cowboys' chopping block (and I will admit, I may be after that, with my support of you).

[path12]

I have to say I'm VERY uncomfortable with all this speculation of me as a seer. I had hoped by ignoring it the meme would drop. Without getting into too much detail, my role clearly, as explained publicly, has to do with information. However, I have no clue about the quality of this information, first of all, and second of all my getting the information is not guarenteed. If I was a traditional seer, I would have changed my gameplan and not pushed for this role reveal. Now beyond that I am simply NOT going to speculate more about my role.

Well, that's a little bit like cracking the barn door open and then being pissed when the horse escapes, but for what it's worth I agree with you that this is a line of speculation that only helps the cowboys.

After considering more, I see no way that revealing my role hurts the townspeople whatsoever. I am the baker, kids -- get your bread here!

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum, my biggest problem with Barkeep is that I do not understand why he would reveal in the first 30 minutes as either a seer or as a role with the potential to be a seer. Guess that is part of what makes the game fun - that someone I've played 10+ games with can still surprise the heck out of me from time to time.

I get what he is saying about Circle of Trust - I'm a big fan. But the way I see it the risk/reward isn't there if he is what I believe him to be. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here.

hoops, I think you and I are seeign this exactly the same way. I was stunned by the move, as much as was it RealDeal's similar type of move a couple games back (I believe it was the Mutant game).

[bulletsponge]

as i read it, Barkeep isnt a seer. he cant scan peoples posts i bet. but might get some info from drinkers, but even then it wont be ironclad info. i doubt any villagers role is very powerful, but everyone has some power

[bulletsponge]

Well, that's a little bit like cracking the barn door open and then being pissed when the horse escapes, but for what it's worth I agree with you that this is a line of speculation that only helps the cowboys.

After considering more, I see no way that revealing my role hurts the townspeople whatsoever. I am the baker, kids -- get your bread here!

wtf does the baker do???

[Chief Rum]

After considering more, I see no way that revealing my role hurts the townspeople whatsoever. I am the baker, kids -- get your bread here!

Gotta any of that special peyote wheat yeast? I want to hot box my little shack on the outskirts of town.

[path12]

wtf does the baker do???

Bakes bread, apparently. You might need to soak up that alcohol one of these days.

[Barkeep49]

wtf does the baker do???
That's the thing. I think we should name our role and no more. Sure we can speculate to ourselves what the roles do, but that should be it for the time being. Giving out the specifics of roles DOES help the cowboys more than the villagers I feel.

[path12]

Gotta any of that special peyote wheat yeast? I want to hot box my little shack on the outskirts of town.

You mean Granny's Talkin' Cow Wheat? Should have some for you this week.

[Glengoyne]

OK, so Barkeep deals with a shady set of characters who are willing to trade information.

However, he really doesn't know if the information he is securing is anywhere near correct. So he has a weak type of seer role.

[st.cronin]

hoops, I think you and I are seeign this exactly the same way. I was stunned by the move, as much as was it RealDeal's similar type of move a couple games back (I believe it was the Mutant game).

RealDeal was a villager in that game, ftr.

[Barkeep49]

I must have missed that game. What did RealDeal do?

[Glengoyne]

wtf does the baker do???


My thoughts surrounding the Baker and the Butcher involve the wielding of knives.

[Chief Rum]

RealDeal was a villager in that game, ftr.

Yup, but he still ended up just as dead. Ironically, it is because people questioned why he would reveal so soon, and he was actually lynched before Chaos could get to him.

Basically, Barkeep, he made a revelation that sounded a lot like a seer role, and then disappeared for the day. People were stunned by his reveal, thought he was up to something funny and lynched him for it.

I think he would have been dead that night anyway if he wasn't voted, because Chaos wouldn't have known what to do with him either.

[st.cronin]

I must have missed that game. What did RealDeal do?

He said on day 1 that he could not be killed by badguys - only by a lynch. So, of course, he immediately got lynched.

[Barkeep49]

That's pretty funny actually. I only wish I were so invincible.

[Chief Rum]

Yup, but he still ended up just as dead. Ironically, it is because people questioned why he would reveal so soon, and he was actually lynched before Chaos could get to him.

Basically, Barkeep, he made a revelation that sounded a lot like a seer role, and then disappeared for the day. People were stunned by his reveal, thought he was up to something funny and lynched him for it.

I think he would have been dead that night anyway if he wasn't voted, because Chaos wouldn't have known what to do with him either.

Oh, he did it on Day 1, when none of us had a clue what was going on and were grasping for a legit reason to hang someone (or execute, as it were, in that game).

[st.cronin]

Yup, but he still ended up just as dead. Ironically, it is because people questioned why he would reveal so soon, and he was actually lynched before Chaos could get to him.

Basically, Barkeep, he made a revelation that sounded a lot like a seer role, and then disappeared for the day. People were stunned by his reveal, thought he was up to something funny and lynched him for it.

I think he would have been dead that night anyway if he wasn't voted, because Chaos wouldn't have known what to do with him either.


He did not disappear, he presented what actually would have been a fairly solid plan. But got lynched anyway.

[Chief Rum]

He said on day 1 that he could not be killed by badguys - only by a lynch. So, of course, he immediately got lynched.

Yup, that's it. Not a seer thing, but more of a "surprising revelation" similarity.

[Chief Rum]

He did not disappear, he presented what actually would have been a fairly solid plan. But got lynched anyway.

My memory may be fuzzy. I thought he made the revelation, talked a little bit about it, but then disappeared most of the rest of the day. I thought he wasn't around much when the votes turned on him, and everyone was practically begging for him to expand more on what he said (IIRC).

[Swaggs]

I'm going to go with st. cronin as sheriff. I actually like the fact that he voted for himself, because it seems like it would be easy for one cowboy to subtly nominate another cowboy and have everyone else pile on.

Hopefully he is willing to accept the job.

Elect st. cronin

[st.cronin]

I'm going to go with st. cronin as sheriff. I actually like the fact that he voted for himself, because it seems like it would be easy for one cowboy to subtly nominate another cowboy and have everyone else pile on.

Hopefully he is willing to accept the job.

Elect st. cronin

no please don't - I think it's important that I NOT be sherriff

[Glengoyne]

I think I'm going to be away from the computer tomorrow when the polls close, so I'll vote for the one person asking for the job currently.

Elect LSG

The Barkeep strategy sounds fair as well. I'll check in tomorrow around noon pacific.

[Grammaticus]

I'll throw my name in the ring for sheriff. if people are looking for more people to vote on. I think this is a role we need to have filled ASAP though...even if it's not someone we fully trust to start off with.

I'm a town folk BTW checking in.

I vote to

ELECT SnDvls

[Grammaticus]

I probably won't have access until late Monday as I'm hitting the road for a long drive Monday, so I want to slip a vote in while I can.

I don't think BK is a seer or he would likely not have started a push for role reveals right away. Not saying he is a cowboy, just don't see the move as a "feel good" thing right now. Cronin says he does not want the job, so I say don't elect him based on that. Don't know what to think of LSG, so I didn't go that route.

SnDvl seemed to be on target with his statement to fill ASAP. I agree and the Sheriff needs to commit to jailing someone and supporting a lynch vote, too.

[Grammaticus]

Also, if BK really is the seer, he is not immune to night kills if he uses his powers, so making him sheriff for the sole purpose of protecting the seer is really a fairly useless motive. That is, if I read the rules and AlanT's posts correctly.

[Chief Rum]

Well, this will no doubt be my last post until maybe an hour before deadline, if that. Going to bed, then wake up and go to work all day.

But I should be back to check in by 5 p.m. PDT (8 p.m. EST). For now, I will stick with my Barkeep vote, but we'll see if it holds up to the deadline tomorrow.

See y'all tomorrow.

[Fouts]

Well, I guess I better reveal before spleen gets me jailed and lynched. I am the school teacher. If you want your kids to grow up dumb, then go ahead and lynch me.

[Thomkal]

:::deals another hand of blackjack to Bullet and congratulates him on hitting 21:::

Elect Fouts

[spleen1015]

Revealing roles does nothing to convince me which side you are on.

[Alan T]

Good morning fine citizens of Tombstone. Just a hair under 13 hours until deadline. Current vote totals for today are:

Sheriff election:

(5) Lonestargirl - Bulletsponge (109), Fouts (121), Lathum (180), St.cronin (205), Glengoyne (236)
(3) St.cronin - Spleen (174), hoopsguy (203), Swaggs (234)
(2) Barkeep - Chief Rum (168), Racer (175)
(1) hoopsguy - ntndeacon (104)
(1) Chiefrum - Barkeep (149)
(1) Saldana - Anxiety (176)
(1) SnDvls - Grammaticus (237)
(1) Fouts - Thomkal (242)

Lynch votes:

No elgible candidates for lynch vote today.

[spleen1015]

UNELECT st. cronin

Since he is asking that we not vote for him, I won't vote for him. I don't know who I want to vote for at this point, though.

[hoopsguy]

Basically I'm in the same place that Spleen is - I'll move my vote from Cronin but at the moment there doesn't appear to be a viable alternate candidate for LoneStarGirl. No issues with LSG, but I'm not sure a runaway really helps us out either if we need to look at voting patterns later in the game.

Upon further reflection, I'll put a vote out there for Saldana. This should help him avoid being an early night kill - something that has plagued him in recent games.

UNELECT ST. CRONIN
ELECT SALDANA

[Racer]

Well, that's a little bit like cracking the barn door open and then being pissed when the horse escapes, but for what it's worth I agree with you that this is a line of speculation that only helps the cowboys.

After considering more, I see no way that revealing my role hurts the townspeople whatsoever. I am the baker, kids -- get your bread here!

Okay, I have given this some thought. The problem with revealing roles like the baker is that if night actions are tied to specific roles, then a role like the baker that appears to have no night actions probably has no night actions. This would not be bad except for the fact that it helps the Cowboys narrow the list of villagers that may have important night roles.

Someone also said that if someone performs a night action, then being sheriff does not prevent them from being killed at night. However, performing night actions to many nights in a row also causes the player to appear tired. By making Barkeep sheriff, it will at least help protect him on nights that he rests. If Barkeep chooses to rest some nights to avoid appearing tired, then it becomes a crapshoot for the Cowboys on what night to try to kill Barkeep. This is all under the assumption that Barkeep is not Cowboy.

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First day back to work in two weeks, about 300 emails to go through means that I'll be very in and out today.

Nothing against LSG, but I think I'd prefer a more experienced player in the sheriff role, like a Swaggs, Saldana, Lathum. My choice will likely come from one of those.

[st.cronin]

Okay, I have given this some thought. The problem with revealing roles like the baker is that if night actions are tied to specific roles, then a role like the baker that appears to have no night actions probably has no night actions. This would not be bad except for the fact that it helps the Cowboys narrow the list of villagers that may have important night roles.

Someone also said that if someone performs a night action, then being sheriff does not prevent them from being killed at night. However, performing night actions to many nights in a row also causes the player to appear tired. By making Barkeep sheriff, it will at least help protect him on nights that he rests. If Barkeep chooses to rest some nights to avoid appearing tired, then it becomes a crapshoot for the Cowboys on what night to try to kill Barkeep. This is all under the assumption that Barkeep is not Cowboy.

This is only a problem IF we assume that night actions can be tied to specific roles. For now, I see no basis whatsoever for this assumption.

[ntndeacon]

I am of the opinion that giving up all of our roles is a mistake. At least this early. I think that as the game goes along more info will be available and maybe then it will be a better time to put that info out there.