What do you do with bust holdouts?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Just had a RB I took in the 1st RD go from 51/65 to 22/27 after camp, but he's a holdout. :(

I hate the idea of a 1st RD RB not even making the team, as it is fairly unrealistic, but there is no way this guy gets an $8 mil bonus.

I'll probably just not sign him rather than release him... But was wondering what other guys do...

Another thing I wonder is if players bust too easly. How many guys have you seen in the NFL look like they will be amazing in April turn to nothing by August?

[Deattribution]

How many guys have you seen in the NFL look like they will be amazing in April turn to nothing by August?

Ping: Aaron Rogers

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Ping: Aaron Rogers

Naa... Aaron Rogers could still turn out to be the next Joey Harrington, or at least Kyle Boller minus the ability to throw the football thru the upright from the opposite endzone on a knee blindfolded and chewing gum.

[twothree]

In a recent multiplayer game, I had a very early second round CB draft choice bust after the draft. I would have like to have signed and kept him just to see him try and develop. But, I knew I wasn't going to pay him the bonus money he wanted, so I had to decide to keep or release him. I eventually decide to release him, because I didn't think he would be of any use to anyone else. And, if I remember correctly he is still sitting in the free agent pool.

[Pyser]

i wonder if you let him re-enter the draft next year if he'll do it as a 65 rated rb or 27.

id guess 27, but who knows.

[RedKingGold]

i wonder if you let him re-enter the draft next year if he'll do it as a 65 rated rb or 27.

id guess 27, but who knows.

Yep, see DE Mike Cofer in the GEFL

[Blade6119]

I dont think players who hold-out should be subjected to camp ratings change. I think that is a flaw in FOF i would like to see corrected so things like this dont happen.

[SackAttack]

All of my busts have been pre-camp, and frankly, if the guy shows up to camp out of shape, I'd just as soon let him re-enter the draft and try to snag him as a late-rounder if I'm really that crazy about having him on the roster.

No room in Brooklyn or St. Louis for wanna-be plumbers.

[bulletsponge]

i had the same thing happen in my game. i just released the player instead of letting him holdout the whole season. he was picked up by someone but never played a second year.

[Swaggs]

I had a late first rounder take a moderate dive and decided he wasn't worth the holdout, particularly because he was very underdeveloped even though he still had a respectable amount of talent.

I actually franchised him the following season, figuring I could just cut him if I couldn't get any value for him, but I was able to get a 3 and 5 for him. It was probably an exploit for me, as the computer kept a very marginal (at least currently) player on their roster for like $23M a year, but he ended up being a solid player and they still owned his rights for four years afterwards.

[Glengoyne]

In X-Com I'd have the guys who got controlled by aliens kneel down, and have an officer shoot them in the back of the head.

[Swaggs]

In X-Com I'd have the guys who got controlled by aliens kneel down, and have an officer shoot them in the back of the head.

Is this the right thread for this reply? ;)

[Blade6119]

Is this the right thread for this reply? ;)

It doesnt matter, it cracked me up!

[TroyF]

I always play with pretty strict house rules. I sign the player in these situations everytime. How many first rounders have sat out the season IRL? Stouffer?

Nah, I'll sign him and hope I don't have to axe him after year 1 or 2 and take a huge cap hit. That's part of the lottery of the draft and I accept it.

[laser]

This is a major fault in FOF that I hope is fixed in the next version. We should not find out if a rookie is a boom or bust until at least midway thru the first season. I would propose that even if the ratings change behind the scenes the ratings visable to us would stay the same through the first season. We as the coach/GM could then decide as the season goes on whether or not to continue to play the rookie.

[Glengoyne]

Is this the right thread for this reply? ;)

I felt the parallel was apt.

[Swaggs]

I felt the parallel was apt.

FWIW, it gave me a funny visual for a few seconds. :)

Thinking about the Steelers ridding themselves of Duce Staley or Lee Mays for a moment...

[stevew]

I would prefer that we would see that maybe a guys future rating looks to be down a bit(around 5 points), but we wouldn't see the bottom drop out as quickly. And then perhaps this guy simply wouldn't develop, or perhaps would play as a 10/10 guy instead of a 10/60 guy(who seemingly outplay their current ratings from time to time).

[Darkiller]

Naa... Aaron Rogers could still turn out to be the next Joye Harrington, or at least Kyle Boller minus the ability to throw the football thru the upright from the opposite endzone on a knee blindfolded and chewing gum.

Being a 49ers fan and having -obviously- closely monitored the 2005 draft when San Francisco decided to go with Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers, I am wondering why you say suchs things about Rodgers ?

Everything I have read so far about him is the Packers like "what they see"...am I missing someting ?

On topic, I am ecstatic with Alex Smith's progress in his 2nd year. He still is the youngest starting QB in the NFL and he is showing lot's and lot's.
I really believe we have our franchise QB and made the right thing selecting him #1 overall two years ago. Love what the kid is doing so far.

[mrsimperless]

Being a 49ers fan and having -obviously- closely monitored the 2005 draft when San Francisco decided to go with Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers, I am wondering why you say suchs things about Rodgers ?

Everything I have read so far about him is the Packers like "what they see"...am I missing someting ?

On topic, I am ecstatic with Alex Smith's progress in his 2nd year. He still is the youngest starting QB in the NFL and he is showing lot's and lot's.
I really believe we have our franchise QB and made the right thing selecting him #1 overall two years ago. Love what the kid is doing so far.


He sure ain't winning games though, is he?

While I agree that he seems like he may develop into a solid starter he's definitely no Montana, Young or Sherriff just yet.

[RedKingGold]

He sure ain't winning games though, is he?

While I agree that he seems like he may develop into a solid starter he's definitely no Montana, Young or Sherriff just yet.

The biggest reason the 49ers are losing is that their defense is atrocious. While I understand they do not have the personnel to run the 3-4, I think this defense should be playing better than it currently is, considering this is now Year 3 of the Nolan regime.

That being said, I am very optimistic about the offense in 49erland. I always liked Antonio Bryant when he played in Pittsburgh and knew he could be a pretty good receiver (if he just kept his mouth shut). I'm also happy with the Gore/Robinson tandem and like where Smith is going in his second season (keep in mind he is only 22, he was 21 when drafted).

[Ryche]

I sign the player for the minimum contract possible. Doesn't seem realistic to not sign them as that never happens in the NFL.

[Subby]

I dont think players who hold-out should be subjected to camp ratings change. I think that is a flaw in FOF i would like to see corrected so things like this dont happen.
I think it is completely realisitc. If a guy misses an entire training camp it can certainly hurt his development, right?

[Swaggs]

I sign the player for the minimum contract possible. Doesn't seem realistic to not sign them as that never happens in the NFL.

My guy, that I was talking about earlier that I traded, would not accept either of the longer deals throughout the entire freaking season. He was so undeveloped, it would have been annoying for me to get him coached up over 3-4 seasons and then see him want a huge extension.

[Kodos]

What do you do with bust holdouts?

I find a new girlfriend.





Seriously, I think we shouldn't see busts until after the player is signed.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I sign the player for the minimum contract possible. Doesn't seem realistic to not sign them as that never happens in the NFL.

I decided not to sign him. There is precident for not signing a holdout... Bo Joackson refused to sign with Tampa, but I know that was different. I figure if this guy was the next Maurice Clarette/Laurence Phillips hybrid and decided to hold out, but then when everyone goes to camp he goes and gets himself arrested/shot/beaten to a pulp or whatever there is a point where you would just pull your offer. If he was smart he would have grabbed the money as soon as it would have been offered and then showed his true colors, like the safety I traded up to get a few years earlier. At least I traded down to get this bum! :D

[bulletsponge]

I sign the player for the minimum contract possible. Doesn't seem realistic to not sign them as that never happens in the NFL.

Does anyone remeber Dimitrious Underwood DE from a few years ago ( 6 or 7).
the Vikings picked him in the first round, but then he attempted suicide and failed, they them released him. did he sign a contract with the Vikes before that? all i remember (as a vikes fan) is that he never even played in a preseason game for them.

[Kodos]

Thank goodness the Dolphins gave him a shot after the Vikes.

[Eaglesfan27]

I always play with pretty strict house rules. I sign the player in these situations everytime. How many first rounders have sat out the season IRL? Stouffer?

Nah, I'll sign him and hope I don't have to axe him after year 1 or 2 and take a huge cap hit. That's part of the lottery of the draft and I accept it.


Ditto. This is a flaw in the game that I solve with house rules.

[Chubby]

Fog of War on the ratings would solve this as well.

[Ben E Lou]

Ditto. This is a flaw in the game that I solve with house rules.Agree for SP. Actually, I've gotten to where I just let the AI sign my draftees in SP. It adds a little more challenge, imho. Plus, when I get lazy about the cap, it lets me keep a full roster.

[larrymcg421]

I always make the best offer in the 2nd signing stage, right before camp. This way I never have holdouts.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Has anyone ever had a long-term rookie holdout sign anything other than a maximum, short term contract after the season starts?

My end of the 1st rd pick is a guard that needs to develop, so i wanted to sign him to 5-year contract rather than a four year. His agent is average, but he has refused both 5-year and the cheaper 4-year contracts. It's now week 12 and I hate throwing away a 1st rd pick, but hate throwing money at a guy who won't even play for me this season.

I do like the way guys now take time to bust... Almost exactly opposite of the previous bust I had, I traded up to the top of rd 2 to grab a workout-warrior type RB who looked so good as my #2 as a rookie I traded my starter who looked old and slow in comparison. He then rushed for just over 1000, while the traded guy put 1600 for the Rams. My guy didn't even look close to what he seemed as a rook, then stunk up the joint in his third season. He crashed so bad in his 4th training camp that i cut him and nobody picked him up. He then retired.

[MikeVic]

Geez, I'm not used to seeing FOF threads here. I was expecting some bust talk.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Geez, I'm not used to seeing FOF threads here. I was expecting some bust talk.

I did a search for holdout threads... Guess this was pre-segregation! :D

If it makes you feel better, I shall quote Naked Gun.

Is this some kinda bust?

Yes, it's quite impressive.

[st.cronin]

Don't you people have your own forum?

[MikeVic]

I did a search for holdout threads... Guess this was pre-segregation! :D

If it makes you feel better, I shall quote Naked Gun.

Is this some kinda bust?

Yes, it's quite impressive.

Thanks. :D

[Axxon]

I always play with pretty strict house rules. I sign the player in these situations everytime. How many first rounders have sat out the season IRL? Stouffer?


I know this is a really old post but lets try Bo Freaking Jackson. How I do hate that man still.

[MikeVic]

I know this is a really old post but lets try Bo Freaking Jackson. How I do hate that man still.

He sat out a whole season?

[Axxon]

He sat out a whole season?

Yep, number one pick in the draft. Drafted by the Buccaneers. Sat out an entire season then reentered the draft and was taken by the Raiders.

Bo Freaking Jackson, his word was as worthless as his hip. :mad:

Betcha can't tell who I am a fan of btw. ;)

[MikeVic]

Yep, number one pick in the draft. Drafted by the Buccaneers. Sat out an entire season then reentered the draft and was taken by the Raiders.

Bo Freaking Jackson, his word was as worthless as his hip. :mad:

Betcha can't tell who I am a fan of btw. ;)

Ah I didn't know. So you think those Arizona Cardinals will do good this year? ;)

[sabotai]

I did a search for holdout threads... Guess this was pre-segregation! :D

If it makes you feel better, I shall quote Naked Gun.

Is this some kinda bust?

Yes, it's quite impressive.

Nice beaver!

Thank you. I just had it stuffed.

[MikeVic]

Loaded Weapon is a big favourite of mine.

[TroyF]

I know this is a really old post but lets try Bo Freaking Jackson. How I do hate that man still.



OH, I know there were others. I missed Bo and I'm sure there are more. Those didn't happen because the team decided to not sign him because he sucked though. I can't think of a time a team "decided" not to give their draft pick the money.

The worst I can remember is the Broncos and Ted Gregory. They drafted him from Syracuse. Undersized nose tackle. We passed up on a RB from Oklahoma State, Thurman Thomas. By the end of camp, everyone knew he was worthless. Traded to the Saints for another bust (though a couple of years earlier) Shawn Knight. Gregory finishes his career with ONE QB sack. ONE. It came against the Broncos. . .

He got paid though. Ugh.

[Axxon]

Ah I didn't know. So you think those Arizona Cardinals will do good this year? ;)

Nope. :)

Not that I wouldn't want them to; I tend to enjoy seeing the hometown team do well if it doesn't affect my team. Still, they already lost two starters on D for the year. That team is almost as bad as my Buccaneers used to be only it isn't as fun here as it was with our losing.

[Axxon]

Gregory finishes his career with ONE QB sack. ONE. It came against the Broncos. . .



That's just ...

harsh.

[Richard Weed]

Don't you people have your own forum?
Exactly. Sort of makes you wonder if this message had been posted in the FOF forum had it gotten as many responses?

[Ben E Lou]

Sort of makes you wonder if poeple can't figure out timetables. *shurg*

[st.cronin]

Sort of makes you wonder if people don't get my sense of humor.

[CU Tiger]

Yep, number one pick in the draft. Drafted by the Buccaneers. Sat out an entire season then reentered the draft and was taken by the Raiders.

Bo Freaking Jackson, his word was as worthless as his hip. :mad:

Betcha can't tell who I am a fan of btw. ;)



His word was golden.
He told TB he would nto play for them and he never did

[Axxon]

His word was golden.
He told TB he would not play for them and he never did

I got it. When he said he was serious about baseball and was not going to play football then as soon as possible declared for the next NFL draft that was an example of his golden word. I don't think that word golden means what you think it means.

I was pissed at Barry for not playing for us but it wasn't a hatred yet because of what you said and because I probably wouldn't have wanted to play for us either and baseball wasn't a bad choice for him. Choosing a different sports is not equal to dissing a team so all was good.

It sickens me to say it but I was a fan of Bo the baseball player but when he came back to football as soon as he could avoid Tampa he proved himself a liar and a hypocrite and that pushed pissed to the irrational hatred you see today.

Guys who refuse to play for the teams that draft them or who whine until teams don't draft them will never have my respect and I root for every last one of them to fail but at least all of them except for Mr Golden Word Jackson were honest about what they were doing.

Oh, and he's the only one who did it to Tampa. ;)

[M GO BLUE!!!]

How do you feel about Elway?

[Axxon]

How do you feel about Elway?

I've mentioned it here before. I never liked him and rooted for him to fail. Didn't help much though. :)

Ditto to Dorsett from that era.

I feel if you have to cherry pick your team you really must not be as good an athlete as you appear since you realize you'll fail if you don't have the perfect setup to highlight your diminished skill set.

Note though that though Dorsett threatened to play in Canad he didn't abandon the sport completely and try to paint himself as disinterested . Compared to Jackson, he was a saint.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I have no problem with a guy attempting to influence where he gets drafted. I for one would not like to work in Detroit. I could see others not wanting to either. Doesn't mean a guy would be successful at it, but I don't knock a guy for trying to decide where he wants to play.

Now, don't get at me by saying, "well, for 50 billion dollars you should play wherever you're damn told to -- that's the rules for getting into the draft and getting paid so much." To that I say, "yes, and the rules also allow you to refuse to play and sign for a team that drafted you, or to go play baseball for a year, or telling a team in advance not to draft you." Those are in fact also some of the rules.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Nice that it seems to be working out for Eli Manning too... :D


...and Vinatieri, I'd take Detroit over Seattle any day. :p

[Kodos]

In X-Com I'd have the guys who got controlled by aliens kneel down, and have an officer shoot them in the back of the head.


This was a good laugh. :D

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Nice that it seems to be working out for Eli Manning too... :D


...and Vinatieri, I'd take Detroit over Seattle any day. :p

No problem - to each his own. Then I also would agree that you could refuse to work in Seattle for someone if you wanted to.

[Logan]

Sort of makes you wonder if poeple can't figure out timetables. *shurg*

Not that I really care, but were the boards really still together in Oct 06?