WW Small Game II: Football Tryouts (Day 5)

[Barkeep49]

The best time of the year has come: football tryouts. For the next few days you will be running, throwing, hitting, and puking your guts out, in the hopes that you will be able to join the squad this year. The only problem is that your archrival, FMHS, reportedly has recruited a couple of guys to turn over the playbook if they make the team. So each day you will be "convincing" one of the players to not come back to practice the next day. Hopefully you can find out who the two moles are before their numbers get equal to your own...

[Barkeep49]

Sign-ups (Need 10-12)
1. st.cronin
2. Tyrith (forced off the team Night 1) Coach's Son - Player
3. path12 (kicked off the team Day 2) Player
4. saldana (kicked off the team Day 1), Sabatouer
5. ntndeacon
6. Lathum (kicked off the team Day 4), Mole
7. Lonestargirl
8. Alan T
9. Nequea
10. Spleen (kicked off the team Day 3). Player
11. Blade6119
12. SnDvls (forced off the team Night 2), Dean's Assistant

Alternates
1.

[Barkeep49]

This will be a traditional game of WW. No strange mechanics or rules. There are two sides, the students and the moles.

Each day there will be a vote. The player with the most votes will be kicked-off the team. Each night the moles may choose one player to remove from the team as well.

Night Deadline will be 9 PM Eastern with morning deadline at 7 AM Eastern.

Roles are:

Moles (The Bad Guys)
Moles (Wolf) -- These three players have been bribed to turn over the playbook of FOFCHS should they make the team. May PM each other. Each night they may choose one player to remove from the team. They should PM me with who is doing the dirty deed.

Saboteur (Sorcerer) -- A former student at FMHS, he has been told who the two moles are by some friends who go there. He wins if the moles win, but counts as a student for purposes of determining moles/students.

Students (The Good Guys
Dean's Assistant (Seer) -- Thanks to his role in the dean's office he can obtain the locker combination of one person in the game each day. He can then check their locker during the night cycle to see their role (except he will not detect the Saboteur). Should PM me each night with who he wishes to check.

Night Owl (Bodyguard) -- This is the guy who doesn't really need any sleep. He can camp outside one person's home each night. If the moles attempt any shenanigans, he will be able to fend them off and also learn the identity of the mole. However, he doesn't want to be a stalker or anything so he won't go to the same house two nights in a row. Should PM me each night with who he wishes to protect

Player (Vanilla Villager) -- A hard working player attempting to make the team.

Unknown (Public Role which could be either a good or bad player)
Coach's Son (Duke) -- He tries to attract little attention, but it can't be avoided that he is the son of the coach. Once per game he may decide a different person to be kicked off the team thanks to his influence with his dad.

[Fouts]

I'm going to assume the players not currently in the large game get the first shot at this one.

Good luck!

[LoneStarGirl]

I would like to play, but spleen told me i was the worst player ever so i'm not :p

[Barkeep49]

I would like to play, but spleen told me i was the worst player ever so i'm not :p
:(

[spleen1015]

I would like to play, but spleen told me i was the worst player ever so i'm not :p

Oh my goodness. I never said anything like this.

I will concede that you didn't call me a sexist if you stop this. I'm not the only person to comment on your style of play and my comments haven't been the worst.

This is sad.

[spleen1015]

I will play if you need someone to round out the group.

[st.cronin]

I will play.

[Tyrith]

In.

[path12]

I'm suddenly without a game. In.

[Alan T]

Same here, I'll play too :) Can put me down as #10 or #12 though. If a newer player wants to play, then feel free to bump me for them.

Not sure if you did or not though, might post on General discussion forum to get more folks aware of this game.

[saldana]

mmmmm...two more days of WW...sure sign me up....the moles have to have someone to kill the first or second night.

[Lathum]

in unless a new player wants that spot

[SnDvls]

someone should pm all the players from the newbie game and nequia I believe who was also asking about this.

[Swaggs]

What's the timeline on this one? I am out of town for the weekend, but if it starts after Sunday, I might be interested.

[Swaggs]

I would like to play, but spleen told me i was the worst player ever so i'm not :p

I think Schmidty has already (self-) claimed that title.

[ntndeacon]

in please

[Lathum]

bk, when is this game starting?

[Barkeep49]

I plan on starting it, hopefully, tomorrow, or Wednesday at the latest. We're at 8 (including spleen) already so if we can get at least two more I'd start tomorrow as there would be no Night 0 actions.

[Neuqua]

I'm in.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh i dont think im the worst, in fact hoopsguy is my favorite WW player ever because he has told me numerous times that he thinks im a good player.

So what the hell, i'll play.

And no spleen, nobody has ever been rude enough to say im a bad player except you.

[Barkeep49]

Enough with the bad player bit. We all know that tempers flair during WW. The intensity of the game is what makes the game so alluring. We all need to be careful before we post, taking a moment (or 12) before casting asperisions on our fellow players because ad hominem attacks do not make the game more fun. I direct this not only at our two current upset players but as a reminder to us all.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly WW Mod

[Barkeep49]

I'd like to fill out the game. Roles will be sent around 10 PM tonight so we'll run with whatever we have by then, though I hope we could get a full game.

[Alan T]

For whatever its worth, in a game that is antagonistic by nature, it is not unusual to see attacks of all kinds of sorts go at each other. Sometimes people get heated up for real and say stuff they don't mean. Other times people say stuff just for effect and a good cover in the WW game...

Whatever the reason, I usually find it a good policy to wipe the slate clean each game and start fresh in the next one. You two (Lonestargirl and Spleen) might end up needing each other this game and not being able to work together will ruin your playing experience. :)

[Barkeep49]

For whatever its worth, in a game that is antagonistic by nature, it is not unusual to see attacks of all kinds of sorts go at each other. Sometimes people get heated up for real and say stuff they don't mean. Other times people say stuff just for effect and a good cover in the WW game...

Whatever the reason, I usually find it a good policy to wipe the slate clean each game and start fresh in the next one. You two (Lonestargirl and Spleen) might end up needing each other this game and not being able to work together will ruin your playing experience. :)
This is my point stated in a far better fashion. Thanks Alan.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly WW Mod

[Alan T]

Way to steal my thunder and say what I was going to say barkeep! fooey on you. I hate you!

[Barkeep49]

Whee! Look at Alan and I cross post with each other. What fun!

[Blade6119]

I wont be as active as normal, but sign me up

[Lathum]

I wont be as active as normal, but sign me up

so only 75 posts per day?

[Barkeep49]

Would love to get one more player for a full 12.

[SnDvls]

I'll jump in for ya BK

[Barkeep49]

Ok roles will be sent shortly. Game will then go into Day 1 with a deadline of 9 PM tomorrow for the first boot.

[Neuqua]

Man did you butcher my name.

[Barkeep49]

Made a few changes to the role descriptions. Would recommend players reread before starting the game.

[Barkeep49]

Man did you butcher my name.

Yeah I sure did :D

[SnDvls]

BK - in the roles under moles you say 3 in scorcer you say 2 moles

which is it?

[Barkeep49]

BK - in the roles under moles you say 3 in scorcer you say 2 moles

which is it?
3. I fiddled around a bit with that number but decided it wasn't quite balanced with just 2 moles. However, I expanded the seer's power so they now would learn who the BG was, if they scanned that person. I think 9-3, with the 1 villager working for the bad guys, is the right balance in a 12 player game.

[SnDvls]

3. I fiddled around a bit with that number but decided it wasn't quite balanced with just 2 moles. However, I expanded the seer's power so they now would learn who the BG was, if they scanned that person. I think 9-3, with the 1 villager working for the bad guys, is the right balance in a 12 player game.

so there are three moles plus the scorcer correct?

[Barkeep49]

What glory. To make the FOFCHS football team is your ticket in. The world of Varsity Blues or Friday Night Lights could be yours if you can simply stomach your way through the next week, or so, of tryouts. And you will win yourself an all elusive spot on the varsity roster.

However, there is that persistent rumor that your arch rival, FMHS, has infiltrated your high school. That a couple of kids from the school really are just trying out because they have been promised a lot of money if they can pass the playbook over to FMHS. That playbook could be the difference between state champions and state chumps.

As the 12 players go out for the first day of practice, there is one person who seems to have the leg up. Everyone denies it, but since Tyrith is the coach's son, it seems like he'll have some sort of advantage. But who knows. As the coach sets you to some wind sprints you find a moment, in the sweltering sun, to look around and attempt to see who might be one of the moles.

Day 1 now going. Lynch 9 PM Eastern Tuesday.

[Barkeep49]

so there are three moles plus the scorcer correct?
Correct. 4 total bad guys.

[Barkeep49]

Whoops. Forgot to put in the standard disclaimer, but the Night Owl may not protect the same person two nights in a row. This is updated in the rules.

[LoneStarGirl]

okay guys, just checking in, I am going to try and be a lot more over the radar and not be so drive by like i have been before.

[Alan T]

okay guys, just checking in, I am going to try and be a lot more over the radar and not be so drive by like i have been before.

Sounds like a good plan :) I don't like UtR folks :)

[Tyrith]

Woohoo, I'm the duke! And a good guy, for the record.

[LoneStarGirl]

Sounds like a good plan :) I don't like UtR folks :)

I think everybody knows this about you. you are the most over the radar player I have ever played with. I am going to learn from you in the Saw game and hopefully become better this game. so afterwards ill be expecting your feedback. :)

[Alan T]

I think everybody knows this about you. you are the most over the radar player I have ever played with. I am going to learn from you in the Saw game and hopefully become better this game. so afterwards ill be expecting your feedback. :)

But I didn't play in the Saw game! :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Damn, i ment resident evil game... they are both spooky movies, you know what i meant.

[Alan T]

yeah :)

[spleen1015]

Let's play some football!

[SnDvls]

checking in

looks like I finally got taken out in the resident evil game :)

[ntndeacon]

I refused to play in the Saw game as the premise kinda creeped me out. FOFCHS Football Rules!

[Neuqua]

Checking in, good luck guys!

[Blade6119]

Im ready to start my death clock, my over/under is day lynch 3. Any takers?

[hoopsguy]

I'm dismayed at my rapid fall in the rankings of "over the top" players :(

[Alan T]

I'm dismayed at my rapid fall in the rankings of "over the top" players :(

I think when she said over the radar, she meant overrated. :)

[Blade6119]

I'm dismayed at my rapid fall in the rankings of "over the top" players :(

Apparently i havent been obnoxious and arrogant enough lately...shame, ill make sure to find the time to piss people off enough to start getting some of my due respect for being over the top...were slipping buddy, we need work hard to reach our former positions of glory!

[path12]

I always wanted to say this: I'm a player.

[Lorena]

I love football and after seeing the people that joined, I wanted to... very very badly, but I can barely take on 1 game, 2 games would be too much for my 2 little brain cells.

[Lorena]

I'm dismayed at my rapid fall in the rankings of "over the top" players :(

Apparently i havent been obnoxious and arrogant enough lately...shame, ill make sure to find the time to piss people off enough to start getting some of my due respect for being over the top...were slipping buddy, we need work hard to reach our former positions of glory!

If there's ever a newbie game where we get to be coached by veterans, you guys (along with a few others) would be tops my list.

Is that ever gonna happen? I would love that!

Anyway, sorry to thread jack...

[saldana]

Im ready to start my death clock, my over/under is day lynch 3. Any takers?

i dont know blade, i am here too, so you will have to race me to the grave.

anyway, i think barkeep's whole scenario write up would have been way funnier if our rival was SDHS (sportsdigs high school):)

and as path already stated, play-a checking in.

[Barkeep49]

anyway, i think barkeep's whole scenario write up would have been way funnier if our rival was SDHS (sportsdigs high school):)


That would have been funnier. Don't tell FN this, but I forget they exist.

[Lathum]

PUT ME IN COACH!!!

player checking in, I'm taking my future sister in law to the casino today so I'll be out for most of the afternoon.

[st.cronin]

Don't tell FN this, but I forget they exist.

I think he already knows, since that was reported on sportsdigs two days ago.

sorry

vote Alan T

No hard feelings, but it had to be done.

[Alan T]

I think he already knows, since that was reported on sportsdigs two days ago.

sorry

vote Alan T

No hard feelings, but it had to be done.

I expected it :)

[ntndeacon]

vote Blade

I pick under 3 days Blade :D Besides we can't have you get all obnoxious on us all.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, st cronin voted for alant... who would have seen that coming? For the most part i like alant's commentary, so i dont want to vote for him, and I dont want to pick a name out of the hat cuz last time i did that I got killed for it because it was too 'suspicous', so i think im going to debate a little while longer...

[Alan T]

Wow, st cronin voted for alant... who would have seen that coming? For the most part i like alant's commentary, so i dont want to vote for him, and I dont want to pick a name out of the hat cuz last time i did that I got killed for it because it was too 'suspicous', so i think im going to debate a little while longer...

Its because of the last game, I did him dirty. I would have expected him to vote for me regardless if he is good or bad as a day one vote. I don't think it signifies much.

[LoneStarGirl]

No, i didn't think it did mean anything, i would vote for spleen, but i am not. Whoever killed me in resident evil is who i want to lynch :mad:

[Alan T]

No, i didn't think it did mean anything, i would vote for spleen, but i am not. Whoever killed me in resident evil is who i want to lynch :mad:

i can safely say that was not me.

[spleen1015]

No, i didn't think it did mean anything, i would vote for spleen, but i am not. Whoever killed me in resident evil is who i want to lynch :mad:

:rolleyes:

[Neuqua]

Can I vote Barkeep until he gets my name straight?

Random vote (as per usual on day 1):

Vote SnDvls

[saldana]

and my random number generator says.....

vote spleen

[SnDvls]

vote ntn

random vote on day one

[LoneStarGirl]

Spleen, please learn to take a joke. good grief.

vote spleen

[Tyrith]

Random placeholder vote until such a time we actually have to start trying:

VOTE PATH

[Alan T]

Going out trick or treating tonight with my girls, but should be back before lynch time if I need to move my vote.

Current vote goes to the first person who voted second on someone.

Vote Lonestargirl

[spleen1015]

Just to return the favor since there hasn't been a whole lot of action today and I will be out trick or treating with the kids all evening.

VOTE saldana

[Barkeep49]

Early vote count:

Alan – st.cronin (64)
Blade – ntn (66)
SnDvls – Neuqua (72)
Spleen – saldana (73), Lonestar (75)
NTN – SnDvls (74)
Path – Tyrith (76)
Lonestar – Alan (77)
Saldana – spleen (78)

[Barkeep49]

saldana has just told me that he has to bow out. So if you know of an interested replacement please let me know.

[Blade6119]

Back at ya NTN

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Lathum]

For those interested Saldana is backing out because his wife is having a baby!!!!!

I'll be an uncle again!!!

[Lathum]

oh, and vote AlanT.

[Lathum]

vote alanT

[Barkeep49]

Stop trying to make excuses. Last I looked he was not the one having the baby. So backing out of the game? Just lame :D

I've already congratulated him privately but allow me to do so again publicly. Congrats!

[Alan T]

For those interested Saldana is backing out because his wife is having a baby!!!!!

I'll be an uncle again!!!

Woo hoo grats saldana!

[Alan T]

Barkeep, do we know if a tie = no lynch or if there is some other method for deciding ties?

[Neuqua]

Congrats Saldana!

[st.cronin]

If it's a boy I think he should name him Lon.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE SALDANA

I dont know if we can get a replacement, and if im going to make a random lynch it might as well save us the trouble of replacing him...sorry if it sounds rude, just speaking in game terms.

CONGRATS SALDANA, BEST OF LUCK WITH THE NEW BABY!

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, do we know if a tie = no lynch or if there is some other method for deciding ties?
Mechanic is unknown at this time.

[Lathum]

If it's a boy I think he should name him Lon.

it a girl

[Barkeep49]

With an hour to go we have:

Alan – st.cronin (64), lathum (84)
Blade – ntn (66)
SnDvls – Neuqua (72)
Spleen – saldana (73), Lonestar (75)
NTN – SnDvls (74),)
Path – Tyrith (76)
Lonestar – Alan (77)
Saldana – spleen (78), Blade (90)

[st.cronin]

it a girl

I'm still going to smoke a cigar. Oh, and

unvote Alan T
vote Saldana

[hoopsguy]

Congratulations, Saldana. That is really great news.

One of the better reasons I have heard for dropping out of a game :)

[saldana]

thanks everyone...look for pics in GD over the weekend (if you care)...and no worries blade, i actually suggested to barkeep to make me the voluntary vote tomorrow if he couldnt get anyone...guess today is just as good.

wish us luck

[LoneStarGirl]

well it looks like saldana should win this one. I guess that means he doesn't have a special role or anything, so this might hurt us villagers.

[LoneStarGirl]

Only 20 minutes to go

[Alan T]

No vote for path it appears.

[LoneStarGirl]

No vote for path it appears.

well i guess he'll be day an easy target for a day 2 lynch

[LoneStarGirl]

No vote for path it appears.

well i guess he'll be day an easy target for a day 2 lynch

[LoneStarGirl]

oh and time...

i bet barkeep is trick or treating so this might be delayed.

[Neuqua]

well i guess he'll be day an easy target for a day 2 lynch

I'd be a bit more lenient, with it being Halloween and all. He might've gone out trick or treating with his family too for all we know.

[Alan T]

well i guess he'll be day an easy target for a day 2 lynch

Someone is looking for an easy lynch target.

[Barkeep49]

I am long past the tricker treat stage. Results up shortly.

[Alan T]

I am long past the tricker treat stage. Results up shortly.

Did you get any good candy? What did you dress up as?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have to stay home and make sure my german shephard does not attack any trick or treaters

[Barkeep49]

The first day is an easy day. The coaches don't really know the players and the players don't really know the coaches. Today proves to be a day without any contact. Tempers flair a little, this is your competition, but no real alliances seem to have been formed. The coach's claim they are loooking for people who will fit in, but there is no consensus about who that might be.

When the day ends the players go to the locker room. The tempers which have been held in check during the day start to grow more heated. They all surround saldana. The guy didn't even come into the locker room. What is wrong with him. People start throwing things at his locker. First a clear, then some shoulder pads, at one point a few jockstaps go at it, until finally after one particularly hard thrown pad hits the lock in just the right way and it comes undone. The locker flies open and reveals saldana's cell phone.

A quick look through the contact's list and a whole bunch of people who live around FMHS is found. Seems like he has an awful lot of friends there. He expressed no interest in the playbook, however. So it becomes clear that saldana was the Sabotuer.

Night 2 under way. Deadline 7 AM Wednesday

[Alan T]

Hah, I guess thats a lucky day 1 lynch.

[st.cronin]

well now that was lucky

[LoneStarGirl]

wow, i dont know what to say about that. Good thing he is having that baby!

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep, would you mind posting the voting results? I am going to start paying more attention to those this game :)

[Alan T]

(1) Alan - Lathum (84)
(1) Blade - Ntndeacon (66)
(1) Sndvls - Neuqua (72)
(2) Spleen - Saldana (73), Lonestargirl (75)
(1) ntndeacon - Sndvls (74)
(1) Path - Tyrith (76)
(1) Lonestargirl - Alan (77)
(3) Saldana - Spleen (78), Blade (90), St.cronin (94)


(64) St.cronin votes alan (1)
(66) ntndeacon votes blade (1)
(72) neuqua votes Sndvls (1)
(73) Saldana votes spleen (1)
(74) Sndvls votes ntndeacon (1)
(75) Lonestargirl votes Spleen (2)
(76) Tyrith votes path (1)
(77) Alan votes Lonestargirl (1)
(78) Spleen votes Saldana (1)
(81) blade votes ntndeacon (2)
(84) Lathum votes Alan (2)
(90) Blade UNVOTES Ntndeacon (1) ***
(90) Blade votes saldana (2)
(94) St.cronin UNVOTES Alan (1) ***
(94) St.cronin votes saldana (3)

[Lorena]

Aww man, I wanted saldana's role :(

Oh well, if anyone bows out barkeep, I'd like to be considered as an alternate.

GRATS SALDANA!!! Looking forward to the pix :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Well it seems that nobody wants to talk tonight.... like its a holiday or something. Goodnight

[Alan T]

I dont have much to say. Blade and St.cronin voted saldana because he had to leave the game, so that tells us nothing. Saldana's role is one that the bad guys would not know who he was so Spleen's voting for Saldana doesn't mean much more to me than Saldana had voted for Spleen. Even though Saldana knows who the bad guys are, his voting for Spleen doesn't do much to clear him either since throw away votes on the same team is common on day 1.

So.. I really don't have much analysis other than on the conversation which has been light today. We'll have to see what happens tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Final count as requested:

Alan – lathum (84)
Blade – ntn (66)
SnDvls – Neuqua (72)
Spleen – saldana (73), Lonestar (75)
NTN – SnDvls (74),)
Path – Tyrith (76)
Lonestar – Alan (77)
Saldana – spleen (78), Blade (90), st.cronin (94)
No vote: path

[Alan T]

You missed post 94 Barkeep

[SnDvls]

congrats saldana

but it looks like we got a great lynch today too.
very luck one for day one, but well worth it.

[Chief Rum]

No vote for path it appears.

Not that it may matter much, but I was speaking a little with path outside of FOFC today, and he mentioned he was having troubles logging on here. I wasn't having the same problem, so I don't know what that's about. He may not have been able to get in here to paeticpate today. Hopefully he can come on tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

You missed post 94 Barkeep
Weird. I remember marking it down, as I did not use the tiebreaker rule. Post has been edited to reflect correct vote total.

[Barkeep49]

It's day 2 of tryouts, however one of you is not there. It seems that the coach's son, Tyrith, is missing. Word quickly spreads: Tyrith got suspendedfor the rest of the week. Seems that somebody tipped school authorities off to the idea that he had a knife in his bag. Tyrith denied it was his, but as part of the school's zero tolerance policy the fact that Tyrith had a butter knife in his bag is enough to kick him out of school. He was seen leaving claiming someone must have planted it on him, all to no avail.

As you all face the glare of the coach today you think to yourself, shame we lost a good guy, but I'm glad I don't have to face that stare after getting suspended.

Day 2 is underway. 9 PM Deadline.

[LoneStarGirl]

wow suspended for a butcher knife...

[Alan T]

So Lonestargirl, after seeing the votes on day 1 and Tyrith being removed last night who do you think looks the most suspicious today?

[LoneStarGirl]

well part of me says path's retaliation, but i dont think path has even been online. Then i think it must be a player that has experience, but if i was a wolf, being an amatuer, i would have gone after you or blade. You know, somebody more experienced. But Tyrnth was relatively a newbie, which makes me think a newbie picked him to die...

[Alan T]

What would path be retaliating against? You said path would be a good lynch target yesterday for not voting and then link him to Tyrith's death. Was there some blowup between Tyrith and Path in some previous game that I don't remember? I don't see any interaction between the two in this game.

[LoneStarGirl]

no, just that tyrnth voted for path, that is it.... but i dont think that is a scenerio to waste time on

[LoneStarGirl]

AlanT, but as tyrnth as the coaches son, he could have helped the moles by kicking players off, isn't that kind of stupid for the wolves to kill him?

[Alan T]

AlanT, but as tyrnth as the coaches son, he could have helped the moles by kicking players off, isn't that kind of stupid for the wolves to kill him?

If he was bad, having duke ability would help them. Not being bad, having duke ability would hurt them possibly (as long as he didnt end up duking another random good guy. Generally early game the wolves try to guess at who the seer might be and try to night kill him.

This night kill doesn't feel like an experienced night kill decision to me, but maybe there is some ultra super strategy that I am missing here.

[Lathum]

I think it may be a bold strategy by an expierienced player to look new. As for today I am going to look at the people who voted for Saldana after he backed out. To me that is a wolf-ish thing to do since they know he isn't a wolf and they know he can't realy defend himself and they can hide behind the "well if he was gonna back out he is as good a choice as any" defense.

The combination of the 2 bring me to one player.

VOTE BLADE

This seems like the kind of play he would make.

I am voting early since I am leaving for work and have family in town so I may not be around later tonight. Vote is subject to change barring info and my ability to get online.

[SnDvls]

If he was bad, having duke ability would help them. Not being bad, having duke ability would hurt them possibly (as long as he didnt end up duking another random good guy. Generally early game the wolves try to guess at who the seer might be and try to night kill him.

This night kill doesn't feel like an experienced night kill decision to me, but maybe there is some ultra super strategy that I am missing here.

I'd say it was a very risky move IMO.
going after a known role (duke) and the wolves themselves knew that he was good too, and with the logical choice for the bodyguard to cover him made for a high risk kill on night one.

[Alan T]

Lathum, just for curiosity sake, why would you differentiate much between Blade and Cronin? Do you feel Cronin wouldn't make as bold of a strategy there with that move? Both moved off to Saldana at the end (was Cronin's vote as the lynch decider). Just curious to see why you single out Blade, when I considered this approach myself, but I saw two different people and not just one.

[Lathum]

Lathum, just for curiosity sake, why would you differentiate much between Blade and Cronin? Do you feel Cronin wouldn't make as bold of a strategy there with that move? Both moved off to Saldana at the end (was Cronin's vote as the lynch decider). Just curious to see why you single out Blade, when I considered this approach myself, but I saw two different people and not just one.

IMO killing the duke would be the kind of calculated play Blade would make, however I debated between the 2.

[path12]

I couldn't get in all day yesterday and then was gone at night. Hopefully I can get in when I get to work today otherwise I might have to drop.

[st.cronin]

Tyrith is NOT a newbie. He's a very good playe, imo one of the best.

[Alan T]

Not really a lot to go on so far on day 2. Most people have been pretty quiet so far. I'm going to vote Lonestargirl not as much because she has been talking more, but more so that I don't really agree with most of her analysis so far. She feels to me like she was trying to push path as a lynch candidate subtly a few times.

Nothing really good to go on so this is just barely better than a day 1 vote for me.

[Alan T]

sorry, I know its hard to see the votes if in the middle of a paragraph. Just repeating it here to make life easier on Barkeep

Vote Lonestargirl

[Tyrith]

And for all my skill, my last three games I have survived a combined total of five days. I suspected this would happen, best of luck to you all.

[SnDvls]

And for all my skill, my last three games I have survived a combined total of five days. I suspected this would happen, best of luck to you all.

poor form by the BG in my opinion to let the duke die on night one. especially if it's a know person/role. I least give our seer a chance to check him out to see if he's a wolf or not.

[Tyrith]

BTW, thanks cronin :)

[st.cronin]

Not really a lot to go on so far on day 2. Most people have been pretty quiet so far. I'm going to vote Lonestargirl not as much because she has been talking more, but more so that I don't really agree with most of her analysis so far. She feels to me like she was trying to push path as a lynch candidate subtly a few times.

Nothing really good to go on so this is just barely better than a day 1 vote for me.

This is exactly the kind of rationale that got you in so much trouble last game. You didn't agree with my analysis, but that didn't make me a wolf. You have to go one step farther and see wolfish motivations behind the analysis - if you can't do that, this is a bad vote.

[Alan T]

This is exactly the kind of rationale that got you in so much trouble last game. You didn't agree with my analysis, but that didn't make me a wolf. You have to go one step farther and see wolfish motivations behind the analysis - if you can't do that, this is a bad vote.

You don't see any motivations behind the analysis? I do at least. However unlike last game, I'm not going to overpush on a choice that I'm just taking a guess at. Instead of saying I have a bad vote, why not tell me why its a bad vote, or tell me who is a better vote? I sure don't know who else would be a better vote right now. The only other people I had considered was you and Blade due to the reasons I mentioned when talking to Lathum.

[Blade6119]

VOTE LATHUM

[Alan T]

This is exactly the kind of rationale that got you in so much trouble last game. You didn't agree with my analysis, but that didn't make me a wolf. You have to go one step farther and see wolfish motivations behind the analysis - if you can't do that, this is a bad vote.

dola, I'll explain what my strategy was last game when its over. I don't want to talk about it yet because its still running and I don't want to say something while "dead" that might unfairly influence the game. I'll talk about it more in that thread when it ends..

Needless to say I'm not using that strategy this game, but it wasn't really your analysis or you that I had a problem with that game. This vote for lonestargirl isn't really anything like my vote for you last game. That said, I just voted her based off of her feeling to me like she was trying too hard to be helpful with her analysis.

I could be wrong! I'm open to other suggestions :)

[SnDvls]

VOTE LATHUM


Reason beside retalitation?
looks like a major vote and run here.

[Alan T]

Reason beside retalitation?
looks like a major vote and run here.

So far my impression is Blade is trying a different style this game. He's purposely playing more UtR this game. Possible reasons why:

1) To live longer this game
2) He's bad and trying to keep away from the lynch
3) He's just busier and doesn't have his normal time to attack and fight back on attacks.
4) He just wants to try a different style for fun (like I did last game).

He clearly hasn't been driving conversation as much as usual, and this vote is without his usual explanation.

[st.cronin]

vote path

It's a longshot, but it would be a canny play. Nothing else to go on yet.

[Blade6119]

So far my impression is Blade is trying a different style this game. He's purposely playing more UtR this game. Possible reasons why:

1) To live longer this game
2) He's bad and trying to keep away from the lynch
3) He's just busier and doesn't have his normal time to attack and fight back on attacks.
4) He just wants to try a different style for fun (like I did last game).

He clearly hasn't been driving conversation as much as usual, and this vote is without his usual explanation.

I stated before the game i wouldnt be as active, long before roles were sent out.

[Alan T]

vote path

It's a longshot, but it would be a canny play. Nothing else to go on yet.

I guess this is why you had a problem with my vote and analysis? You actually do agree with Lonestargirl that Path is a good candidate? Considering he wasn't even on the board yesterday and had someone not even in the game let us know he was having connection problems?

Not being over-agressive here, just understanding where you are coming from. Path to me feels like an easy scape-goat vote for wolfs to jump on today, which is why it was odd to me that you went for him.

[SnDvls]

I stated before the game i wouldnt be as active, long before roles were sent out.

that's fine if you won't be active, but give us a reason for the vote.
if it's a vote back that's fine, but let us know.

[Blade6119]

that's fine if you won't be active, but give us a reason for the vote.
if it's a vote back that's fine, but let us know.

Its not so much a vote back, but a disagreement with his theory. If he had voted any of myself, cronin, or NTN i would have done that. I see it as him trying to dictate the vote and grasped at the one very weak fact we have out there right now, being us voting out saldana since he had to drop out.

[ntndeacon]

Its not so much a vote back, but a disagreement with his theory. If he had voted any of myself, cronin, or NTN i would have done that. I see it as him trying to dictate the vote and grasped at the one very weak fact we have out there right now, being us voting out saldana since he had to drop out.

Why me Blade? I did not vote for Saldana yesterday.

[Blade6119]

Why me Blade? I did not vote for Saldana yesterday.

Myself, cronin, and spleen...excuse my typo

[ntndeacon]

Myself, cronin, and spleen...excuse my typo

No problem. I figured that is what you meant. However in this game it seems needed to be spelled out clearly. I know I am lost if it isn't.

[Neuqua]

I don't know if I have missed anything yet but did path ever make it back after the first day? Might we have another situation like Saldana's where he won't be able to continue with the game?

This is probably a long shot but I would think the WWs would have tried to be more persistent about finding a replacement for saldana if he were on their side, and maybe we did not see that persistence because path was not able to log on?

Just thinking outloud.

Just because I do not know if I will have computer access later or not, for now he'll be my vote.

Vote Path

[Alan T]

I don't know if I have missed anything yet but did path ever make it back after the first day? Might we have another situation like Saldana's where he won't be able to continue with the game?

This is probably a long shot but I would think the WWs would have tried to be more persistent about finding a replacement for saldana if he were on their side, and maybe we did not see that persistence because path was not able to log on?

Just thinking outloud.

Just because I do not know if I will have computer access later or not, for now he'll be my vote.

Vote Path

Problem with your theory is that Saldana was the sorcerer role which means the wolves wouldn't have known that he was bad. As far as the wolves knew, Saldana was just another good villager. Only Saldana knew who the wolves were.

[Lathum]

OK, I'm not surprised Blade voted for me and St.Cronin hasn't done anything to instill my confidence either. I seems to me in a small game like this the lynch the quiet player strategy would play well since the quiet player can't defend themselves and probably isn't a wolf since a wolf would be more active.

I also think St.Cronin may have been defending LSG a little, if one of them turns up bad I think we need to take a hard look at the other.

[ntndeacon]

This might be a bad reason for voting for someone today. But my vote is going to the person who was the 1st 2nd vote for someone.

Vote Neuqua

[spleen1015]

Just another random vote choice today. I don't know who to vote for.

LSG, who should I vote for?

[SnDvls]

here's what I have so far today.


(2) path - St. Cronin (147), Neuqua (155)
(1) blade - lathum (130)
(1) lonestargirl - alan (137)
(1) lathum - blade (143)
(1) neuqua - ntndeacon (158)





(130) Lathum votes blade (1)
(137) Alan votes Lonestargirl (1)
(143) Blade votes Lathum (1)
(147) St. Cronin votes path (1)
(155) Neuqua votes path (2)
(158) ntndeacon votes Neuqua (1)

[st.cronin]

No, I wasn't defending LSG. I see that Tyrith voted for path. I know usually wolves are loath to leave traces like that, but it wouldn't be the first time we had seen something like that.

[SnDvls]

okay well I'm heading home so I need to put a vote on someone.

voted for this person yesterday so I'll do the same today.
vote ntn

[LoneStarGirl]

The only thing i said about 'path is that tyrnth's kill could be seen as retaliation... but i contradicted myself by saying path hasn't even been able to get online so it couldn't have been him. I am in no way pushing anybody towards path...

I see what Lathum is saying about the three guys that saldana, but i dont know if i agree with it. They could have just been helping us to try and save a replacement, I dont know.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont like that Lathum already linked St. Cronin to me, and I dont like that St. Cronin voted for path after he voted for Saldana.

I think those are two easy votes that a wolf would do.

So vote st. cronin

[hoopsguy]

T-Y-R-I-T-H

A little respect for the dead :)

[Neuqua]

Problem with your theory is that Saldana was the sorcerer role which means the wolves wouldn't have known that he was bad. As far as the wolves knew, Saldana was just another good villager. Only Saldana knew who the wolves were.

Yup, you're right. I read it the other way around whereas the wolves would know who he was and not vice versa. My apologies.

I'll be around all night so hopefully we can get a discussion going on and possibly find a better candidate.

[spleen1015]

VOTE st.cronin

Because LSG did.

[LoneStarGirl]

spleen is my little follower... isn't he cute? ;)

[Alan T]

Spleen can you elaborate on why you feel Lonestargirl's choice for voting for someone who she didn't like being linked to was the best way to go just because she voted for him?

[spleen1015]

Spleen can you elaborate on why you feel Lonestargirl's choice for voting for someone who she didn't like being linked to was the best way to go just because she voted for him?

I'm afraid I don't have much to offer. It is another random vote, really.

[LoneStarGirl]

this game is going slooooow

[Fouts]

this game is going slooooow

I'm going to reveal my role to liven things up. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

I'm going to reveal my role to liven things up. :)

hahah wrong game fouts.

[LoneStarGirl]

19 minutes, looks like its going to be st. cronin

[LoneStarGirl]

no, st cronin and path are tied... damn do we want a tie?

[LoneStarGirl]

and i dont think path voted again
if he doesn't vote by 7:55 (Central) i am giong to vote for him

[SnDvls]

ties aren't good

[LoneStarGirl]

sndvls, do you think i should vote for path?

[LoneStarGirl]

what the hell, sndvls is right, ties aren't good

unvote st. cronin

vote path

[SnDvls]

sndvls, do you think i should vote for path?

vote who you want to

I think path has an important role

I don't like St. C either though.

[SnDvls]

fof 2007 must be a big hit it's so slow and quiet in here.

[LoneStarGirl]

I know.... this is silly quiet

[Lorena]

Well, I guess that's one role I'm not taking :(

[Blade6119]

I think path has an important role

You asked me to explain my vote, and im going to ask how you figure that about path

[SnDvls]

You asked me to explain my vote, and im going to ask how you figure that about path

either it was a poor play by the BG to not protect our duke or path is it. he's the only one who missed yesterday and the duke died. it's my guess

[SnDvls]

dola - I'm hope for our seer's sake it was a poor play, but it doesn't seem that way to me...I hope I'm wrong.

[LoneStarGirl]

oh, now everybody wants to come to the thread.

[Blade6119]

either it was a poor play by the BG to not protect our duke or path is it. he's the only one who missed yesterday and the duke died. it's my guess

To be honest, im giving everyone(including path) a free pass for yesterday/last night. Its why i didnt want to vote him today...it was halloween, and i know a lot of people celebrated in whatever ways they chose. Most people i know got drunk of their asses, so i figure a bunch of football fans wouldnt be much different. I for one wasnt a fan of this game starting when it did, as im not sure starting on a major holiday ensures activity, but barkeep did. I was going to wait until tomorrow to worry about path, as holidays and generally the hungover day after tend to decrease activity quite a bit. I wouldnt be suprised if thats the case with path, or whoever our bodyguard is. Im not trying to complain about the game, just stating i wasnt a big fan on the lynch today given the circumstances of the holiday.

[LoneStarGirl]

okay, stupid amatuer question...

SNDLVS said that the BG should have been protecting Tyrnth, how do we know he didn't? I mean does the BG come out and say, I was protecting tyrnth and I saw Barkeep kill him, or are we supposed to know someway else?

[Blade6119]

And dont take that the wrong way BK, im glad you stepped up to host. I am just stating my opinion about the general lack of activity and what i think is the major reason.

[SnDvls]

time is up correct? or is the whole everyone but us AZ folk changing clocks got me all screwed up again.

[LoneStarGirl]

Halloween isn't really a major holiday Barkeep, and Path himself said that he was having trouble logging on at work and at home and he was probably going to ask for a replacement.

[Blade6119]

okay, stupid amatuer question...

SNDLVS said that the BG should have been protecting Tyrnth, how do we know he didn't? I mean does the BG come out and say, I was protecting tyrnth and I saw Barkeep kill him, or are we supposed to know someway else?

If the bodyguard protected tyrith he would have blocked the attack and learned the identity of the attacker. Seeing as how he died, we can assume the bodyguard chose not to guard tyrith and took some other less rewarding route.

[SnDvls]

okay, stupid amatuer question...

SNDLVS said that the BG should have been protecting Tyrnth, how do we know he didn't? I mean does the BG come out and say, I was protecting tyrnth and I saw Barkeep kill him, or are we supposed to know someway else?

Night Owl (Bodyguard) -- This is the guy who doesn't really need any sleep. He can camp outside one person's home each night. If the moles attempt any shenanigans, he will be able to fend them off and also learn the identity of the mole. However, he doesn't want to be a stalker or anything so he won't go to the same house two nights in a row. Should PM me each night with who he wishes to protect


the BG would have stopped the attack and found out the attacker

[Blade6119]

time is up correct? or is the whole everyone but us AZ folk changing clocks got me all screwed up again.

Ya, im used to 6:00 lynches as was stunned to see results not up yet at 7

[SnDvls]

If the bodyguard protected tyrith he would have blocked the attack and learned the identity of the attacker. Seeing as how he died, we can assume the bodyguard chose not to guard tyrith and took some other less rewarding route.


and I do understand a self protection for the BG on day one...under normal circamstances, but we knew who the duke was...and in this case he happened to be good. it would have given our seer at least a chance to view him to help us down the road is all.

[Barkeep49]

The day is quiet. Perhaps the lest said about having to repeatedly hit the tackling dummy the better? It is hard work. Grueling hard work. Yesterday the coach's said there were going to be 12 of you trying out. While saldana left early, path was hardly ever seen at the tryouts. A simple note is "left" in path's locker informing him that if he can't make the commitment to be at tryouts he shouldn't really bother coming around. Of course by left, it is really meant that his locker is pried open to be looked at. Upon doing so, books for several courses are found and little else. Path is quite the serious student it seems. But he is not a mole.

Blade – Lathum (130)
LSG – Alan (137)
Lathum – Blade (143)
Path – st.cronin (147), Neuqua (155), (179)
Neuqua – ntn (158)
Ntn – Sndvls (162)
St.cronin –spleen (167)

[SnDvls]

To be honest, im giving everyone(including path) a free pass for yesterday/last night. Its why i didnt want to vote him today...it was halloween, and i know a lot of people celebrated in whatever ways they chose. Most people i know got drunk of their asses, so i figure a bunch of football fans wouldnt be much different. I for one wasnt a fan of this game starting when it did, as im not sure starting on a major holiday ensures activity, but barkeep did. I was going to wait until tomorrow to worry about path, as holidays and generally the hungover day after tend to decrease activity quite a bit. I wouldnt be suprised if thats the case with path, or whoever our bodyguard is. Im not trying to complain about the game, just stating i wasnt a big fan on the lynch today given the circumstances of the holiday.

I think the "holiday" might be why it's slow, and I too pretty much have given a free pass, but it's also day 2 and nothing is really out there yet either especially w/ saldana having to bow out and then him actually being bad too.

Blade - what are you thoughts on spleen beign that Saldana voted for him with what he would know w/ his pseudo good guy role? smoke screen?

[Blade6119]

and I do understand a self protection for the BG on day one...under normal circamstances, but we knew who the duke was...and in this case he happened to be good. it would have given our seer at least a chance to view him to help us down the road is all.

Last small game when i was the bodyguard i was very hesitant to take chances as i didnt know the mechanic in place if i guarded a bad guy. I have had some very bad experiences with that mechanic, and stuck to guarding whoever i trusted most that i felt was a prospect for night kills. I can certainly see a BG protecting himself not knowing if tryith is good or bad. Im not sure i would have guarded myself over our duke, but i can see where a player would take that route.

[Barkeep49]

Halloween is a holiday, alright, but it's not a Thanksgiving or a Christmas where you spend all day with the family. By it's very nature it's really an afternoon/evening sort of holiday. Play has been slow, but I'm not sure the start date had much to do with it. FOF is a more likely culript. Perhaps I just haven't caught people's attention in otherways, I dunno.

[Neuqua]

Bah, I thought maybe we had a chance to go two for two tonight with getting lucky.

[SnDvls]

lost might be on in other parts of the country too...I still have an hour

[SnDvls]

ooc: gotta give the little one a bath be back in a bit, but not during Lost

[Blade6119]

Blade - what are you thoughts on spleen beign that Saldana voted for him with what he would know w/ his pseudo good guy role? smoke screen?
Id say no...i would imagine someone of saldana's exp level would know that when he died, with the knowledge of the bad guys he had, those he mentioned would be under the most scrutiny. Its different from if he were a wolf, and id assume it more clears spleen then damns him. Now, i by no means trust spleen(even less so after what he and LSG were doing today), but i dont think the saldana vote-vote reflects poorly upon him as he would have no knowledge of saldanas role and i dont think saldana would make it that easy for us.

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep, you know you missed some of the votes right? And why dont you write in red like the rest of the hosts? it makes it pretty

[LoneStarGirl]

sorry, not some of the votes... just mine.

I forget we only started with 12, my bad

[Neuqua]

And why dont you write in red like the rest of the hosts? it makes it pretty

Such a girl.....

:)

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, you know you missed some of the votes right? And why dont you write in red like the rest of the hosts? it makes it pretty
For the record I was the first one to use pretty colors. Or at least I was the first one to use colors for description and voting. Though I think I was the first to use pretty colors.

[LoneStarGirl]

For the record I was the first one to use pretty colors. Or at least I was the first one to use colors for description and voting. Though I think I was the first to use pretty colors.

Well why did you stop? I would appreciate pretty colors please sir, thank you.

[path12]

So I got lynched?

Totally understand and I apologize for not being around. I hope you all realize I would certainly have more of a presence if I could have. For some reason I have not been able to access from work the past two days and I've had plans in the evenings. I am able to access a bunch of other sites from work (including a forum using the same software as this one), and my work is not a place that really blocks access, so I'm not sure what the problem is -- but obviously I can't go to IS and say "Um, I need to access this werewolf forum that I always play on and can't reach right now".......

So.....good luck to the good guys and congrats to saldana!

[Barkeep49]

The night goes by. However, that day at school it is SnDvls who is not there. Seems like his parents found beer bottles in their garbage last night. SnDvls protested that they weren't his, and when did he have time to drink anyway? No matter, SnDvls has been told that he cannot try out for the football team. Of bigger concern for him is what happened when the Dean heard. While the school couldn't take formal action, it was enough of a concern to cause SnDvls to lose his job as Dean's Asisstant. Another tryout day and it feels like the moles are getting ever closer to getting on the team.

Day 3 now underway. 9 PM Lynch.

[Alan T]

Ugh

[spleen1015]

LSG's late vote for path doesn't look good for her.

Claiming the need to break the tie is good enough cover, but I'm not falling for it today.

VOTE LoneStarGirl

[Lathum]

time to go through sndvls posts

[Alan T]

time to go through sndvls posts

I did that earlier. He voted for the same person on day 2 after voting for them on day 1. I was thinking about voting for ntndeacon based on that, however it is sndvls' comment about the vote that made me reconsider. He stated it was another random vote for the same person as day 1.

This could have been cover to keep from outing himself as seer for anyone who asked why vote for the same guy two days in a row, or it could be that he voted ntn randomly day 1, chose to scan someone else night 1, found them to be a good guy and voted ntn again day 2.

THe only other thing I caught was Sndvls commented that he didn't like St.cronin's defending Lonestargirl, but my read on that was just his personal taste and nothing profound based on his role.

Right now I guess I am leaning towards voting Ntndeacon with the thought why would the seer vote for the same guy 2 days in a row, but I don't know that its a dead lock to me.

[Alan T]

Day 1

(1) Alan - Lathum (84)
(1) Blade - Ntndeacon (66)
(1) Sndvls - Neuqua (72)
(2) Spleen - Saldana (73), Lonestargirl (75)
(1) ntndeacon - Sndvls (74)
(1) Path - Tyrith (76)
(1) Lonestargirl - Alan (77)
(3) Saldana - Spleen (78), Blade (90), St.cronin (94)


(64) St.cronin votes alan (1)
(66) ntndeacon votes blade (1)
(72) neuqua votes Sndvls (1)
(73) Saldana votes spleen (1)
(74) Sndvls votes ntndeacon (1)
(75) Lonestargirl votes Spleen (2)
(76) Tyrith votes path (1)
(77) Alan votes Lonestargirl (1)
(78) Spleen votes Saldana (1)


Day 2
(1) Blade - Lathum (130)
(1) Lonestargirl - Alan (137)
(1) Lathum - Blade (143)
(3) path - St.cronin (147), Neuqua (155), Lonestargirl (179)
(1) Neuqua - ntndeacon (158)
(1) ntndeacon - sndvls (162)
(1) St.cronin - Spleen (167)


(130) Lathum votes Blade (1)
(137) Alan votes Lonestargirl (1)
(143) Blade votes Lathum (1)
(147) St.cronin votes Path (1)
(155) Neuqua votes path (2)
(158) ntndeacon votes neuqua (1)
(162) sndvls votes ntndeacon (1)
(164) Lonestargirl votes St.cronin (1)
(167) Spleen votes st.cronin (2)
(179) Lonestargirl UNVOTES St.cronin (1) ***
(179) Lonestargirl votes path (3)

[Alan T]

I guess my big question today is who do we think Sndvls scanned night 1. Do we think he scanned ntndeacon because he put votes on him day 1 and 2? Or do we think he voted for ntndeacon again day 2 because his night 1 scan ended up being good (and who would that have possibly been?).

[ntndeacon]

I guess my big question today is who do we think Sndvls scanned night 1. Do we think he scanned ntndeacon because he put votes on him day 1 and 2? Or do we think he voted for ntndeacon again day 2 because his night 1 scan ended up being good (and who would that have possibly been?).

That is a good question Alan. I do not think he scanned me. But since he did not scan me, did he go after another UtR player or was it someone who has been saying a bit more? I am not sure yet.

[SnDvls]

well two games I'm a seer and night killed both of them (one night on one this one night two) kinda sucks, I seem to last longer in a plain role.
good luck all

[Alan T]

That is a good question Alan. I do not think he scanned me. But since he did not scan me, did he go after another UtR player or was it someone who has been saying a bit more? I am not sure yet.

Can you explain to me what motivation he would have had to vote for you, then scan someone else Under the Radar and then come back to vote for you?

I could picture him voting for you, scanning someone like Lathum or Blade and finding they are good then going back to vote for you again out of default.

(I use blade there in that example as someone who I would think he could have scanned. Based on Sndvls comments to blade that day about making a hit and run, my assumption is that Blade was not who he scanned).

[ntndeacon]

isn't SnDvls someone that votes the same way in the majority of his games? I remember someone is. If the scan was a player for any player, SnDvls might not had anybody better he liked.

[spleen1015]

Neuqua has voted for 2 confirmed good guys. Just putting it out there.

[Lathum]

Let me bounce this off you guys- If post 180 Sndvls says he doesn't trust St.Cronin but doesn't give out much information why.


I don't like St. C either though.


Then in post 196 Sndvls says

and I do understand a self protection for the BG on day one...under normal circamstances, but we knew who the duke was...and in this case he happened to be good. it would have given our seer at least a chance to view him to help us down the road is all.

It seems to me sndvls is basicly coming out and telling us he seer scanned tyrith night one. Is it possible sndvls viewed the murder and was trying to protect himself by not coming right out and saying who it was?

[ntndeacon]

if we don't get a mole today the game will be over.

[spleen1015]

if we don't get a mole today the game will be over.

How? There are 8 of us left. Lynch player, kill player, we still have 4-2 numbers.

[Lathum]

if we don't get a mole today the game will be over.

unless the BG can get a succesfull protect tonight. I think.

[Alan T]

Let me bounce this off you guys- If post 180 Sndvls says he doesn't trust St.Cronin but doesn't give out much information why.





Then in post 196 Sndvls says



It seems to me sndvls is basicly coming out and telling us he seer scanned tyrith night one. Is it possible sndvls viewed the murder and was trying to protect himself by not coming right out and saying who it was?

You're probably right about him scanning Tyrith. Would be useful to know if the duke is good or bad, and thats as good of a place to start as any.

St.cronin is on my suspicion list and I noticed his comments about St.C, but I was assuming it was based on his not liking St.Cronin's arguement or the link between St.C and Lonestargirl moreso than based on anything he knew in his role. I don't think the seer had the ability to witness a night action. I guess its possible, but I think that part is a stretch.

[Lathum]

dola-
St. Cronin also voted for Saldana who was an assumed good guy and Path who was a good guy.

It seems to me there is enough evidence to

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[Lathum]

alanT- Considering there is a 9-3 villegar to wolf ratio plus the sabatour I think the possibility for the seer to witness a murder could be balancing.

[Alan T]

alanT- Considering there is a 9-3 villegar to wolf ratio plus the sabatour I think the possibility for the seer to witness a murder could be balancing.

Like I said, its possible, but I think its a stretch that they can witness a nightkill.

According to the rules, the moles do their night action at the -home- of the player they are removing. The Bodyguard does his night action at the -home- of the player they are guarding. the Seer does his night action at the -school- locker of the player they are checking out.

Doesn't seem likely to me that the seer's action takes them to the scene of the crime so to say.

So is St.Cronin a good target? perhaps so, I had him in my sights earlier anyways, but I think it would be a mistake to place any extra weight on the thought that Sndvls witnessed St.Cronin doing anything. For arguement sake if we assume Sndvls scanned Tyrith, then anything he commented about any others (such as his negative comment to Blade and St.Cronin) should be viewed just as any other player making the comment based on intuition only. Its just better intuition to lean on in this case as its not purposefully misleading to try to guide a vote.

[ntndeacon]

Spleen there are 3 moles, not 2

[Lathum]

alan- thats a good point i missed

[spleen1015]

Spleen there are 3 moles, not 2

saldana being one of them. Reading his role, it mentions him knowing who the other 2 are. Maybe I'm not interpretting the rules correctly.

[Alan T]

saldana being one of them. Reading his role, it mentions him knowing who the other 2 are. Maybe I'm not interpretting the rules correctly.

That was an error in his role. Barkeep said before the game started that he edited it to having 3 moles instead of 2 moles. Saldana was not a mole, he was the sorceror who knows who the moles were but they didn't know who he was. Saldana was a villager who won with the wolf side.

The people saying there are 3 moles left are correct based on barkeep's post at the start of the game

[Alan T]

3. I fiddled around a bit with that number but decided it wasn't quite balanced with just 2 moles. However, I expanded the seer's power so they now would learn who the BG was, if they scanned that person. I think 9-3, with the 1 villager working for the bad guys, is the right balance in a 12 player game.

Found the post i was referring to for you Spleen.

[spleen1015]

Alright. Thanks for clearing that up Alan.

[Neuqua]

Neuqua has voted for 2 confirmed good guys. Just putting it out there.

SnDvls was a random day 1 vote like everyone else made. And I made my reasons for voting on path clear last night. I just thought that since he was having trouble accessing to FOFC that we could A) get lucky two days in a row with the bad guys having bad connections or B) path, through no fault of his own, wasn't able to participate much anyway so he might've been leaving the game anyway. I stated that I was open to hearing an argument about anybody else when I got back and for hours nothing was brought up and I found no reason to change my vote.

Bottom line is, we need to make up ground at this point.

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit.... how the hell would the moles know who the seer was? Sndvls was right, this has happened twice lately

[LoneStarGirl]

And spleen, every single game we have played together you have won, which means you are a wicked smart player. Now in this game you are screwing up the number of moles? It seems you are trying WAY too hard to be simple, confused villager and I dont think im going to buy it this game.

[Alan T]

I'm going to vote for one of the people who voted for Path also I think today. Rereading what all Sndvls wrote is pushing me in that direction. Not because of any incredible insight that he provide to a particular player like Lathum's vote, but instead the thought of what happened to the bodyguard on night 1 with Tyrith's death.

The possibility it could have been Path could have been enough to keep someone from voting for him just to keep a possible important role in the game longer. I think I won't go the same direction as Lathum though, while St.Cronin has seemed off to me he has felt a bit less suspicious than the other two.

Neuqua gave an untrue reason for why he was voting for Path, I brought that up to him and he said that was right and he was mixed up, yet still kept his vote there without giving any real good reason.

Lonestargirl seemed eager enough to break the tie last minute with the switch over to Path. She could have easily enough moved her vote off of St.Cronin on to someone else with 1 vote as well.

I think I'm going to vote for one of these two unless convinced otherwise.

[spleen1015]

And spleen, every single game we have played together you have won, which means you are a wicked smart player. Now in this game you are screwing up the number of moles? It seems you are trying WAY too hard to be simple, confused villager and I dont think im going to buy it this game.

I've had good teammates.

[LoneStarGirl]

Alant, if i would have voted for anybody else it still would have been a tie. The one thing i've learned from Every other WW game is that you NEVER want a tie unless you are a WW.

[Alan T]

Alant, if i would have voted for anybody else it still would have been a tie. The one thing i've learned from Every other WW game is that you NEVER want a tie unless you are a WW.

That is completely not true. There were plenty of people you could have voted for to make it not a tie. I agree that we didn't want a tie, but you chose to vote for Path which pretty much condemned him.

[Alan T]

Sndvls, Spleen and myself all had 0 votes and a vote for any of us would have untied it. The only catch though is untieing it still would have put Path in the lead, so perhaps was a damned if you do, damned if you don't moment for you. Maybe the more suspicious person would have been Spleen who voted to tie it up in the first place with only path's vote remaining, forcing a tie and not being there to untie it at the end.

[LoneStarGirl]

(1) Blade - Lathum (130)
(1) Lonestargirl - Alan (137)
(1) Lathum - Blade (143)
(3) path - St.cronin (147), Neuqua (155), Lonestargirl (179)
(1) Neuqua - ntndeacon (158)
(1) ntndeacon - sndvls (162)
(1) St.cronin - Spleen (167)

Alan, how do you figure? Everybody has one vote except for path. There is NOBODY i could have voted for to break a tie besides path. If i would have voted for anybody else it would have been a 2-2 tie unless i voted for you or spleen, and to be honest i didn't even think about that last night

[LoneStarGirl]

Sndvls, Spleen and myself all had 0 votes and a vote for any of us would have untied it. The only catch though is untieing it still would have put Path in the lead, so perhaps was a damned if you do, damned if you don't moment for you. Maybe the more suspicious person would have been Spleen who voted to tie it up in the first place with only path's vote remaining, forcing a tie and not being there to untie it at the end.

Thank you devil's advocate, you said what i was thinking. Damned if i do, damned if i dont. No matter what i did last night Path was going down. So you can't blame me for his demise

[Alan T]

(1) Blade - Lathum (130)
(1) Lonestargirl - Alan (137)
(1) Lathum - Blade (143)
(3) path - St.cronin (147), Neuqua (155), Lonestargirl (179)
(1) Neuqua - ntndeacon (158)
(1) ntndeacon - sndvls (162)
(1) St.cronin - Spleen (167)

Alan, how do you figure? Everybody has one vote except for path. There is NOBODY i could have voted for to break a tie besides path. If i would have voted for anybody else it would have been a 2-2 tie unless i voted for you or spleen, and to be honest i didn't even think about that last night

I am assuming you wrote this before seeing my last post.

[Alan T]

Thank you devil's advocate, you said what i was thinking. Damned if i do, damned if i dont. No matter what i did last night Path was going down. So you can't blame me for his demise

Sure I can blame you for path's demise. That is the great thing about Werewolf, I can blame you for anything I want :)

[LoneStarGirl]

AlanT if that is one thing i do know about you is that you have the ability to blame everybody for everything. What would have you done if you were me oh great alant? :)

[Alan T]

Spleen, can you take me through the thought process that you went through where you went from asking LoneStargirl who to vote for, and then voting for her candidate to the next day feeling that she was the most suspicious for doing a vote move that you pretty much forced her to do?

Ie: if you were planning to vote for whoever she did, it was going to tie the vote count regardless of who she voted for unless it was someone who already had a vote. With only Path left to vote and likely not showing up, you were forcing a tie and thus forcing either her hand or someone else's hand to make a move to avoid the tie that you created and were not around to resolve.

I guess my question is what your thought process around yesterday's vote which you claimed to be random was. It obviously was not random as you set it up with the question before the vote, and then said the reason for the vote was because Lonestargirl did.