Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Chief Rum]

In the 1880s, London was the jewel city of a mighty empire--and home to perhaps the most renowned slum in history--the Whitechapel District in the East End. Rape, extortion and murder were hourly events there at night (and sometimes the day, too), hidden under the shroud of fog and dull gas lanterns and in alleys so small and dark two men side-by-side could not pass through them. Prostitutes sell their wares with a wink and a smile, while unbeknownst to you, the orphans pinch your wallet. London police don't go there, and the night watchman is in for a dangerous, short-lived job. Thousands of immigrants--from as far as India and China to as close as the farmland outside of London main--huddled in poverty here, struggling with each other in a Darwinian fashion just for that extra shilling.

And no one in Whitechapel is important enough to bring Scotland Yard here. So can you survive the evil here? And what do you do when the most famous serial killer of all time lands in your neighborhood?

This game will focus on the slum of Whitechapel District. Roles will be sent out Monday night. It will start with a non-mandatory (no kills allowed) Night Zero, which will be run at 7 a.m. EDT (4 a.m. PDT) on the morning of Tuesday, Nov. 28. The first official day where everyone should be checking in is Day One, due at 9 p.m. EDT (6 p.m.) PDT Tuesday on Nov. 28.

More details to follow.

IMPORTANT NOTE: THIS GAME WILL NOT START UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND. IF YOU JOIN, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU DID SO, SO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY NO SHOWS WHO MIGHT GET IMPORTANT ROLES. THANK YOU.

P.S. If you are interested in playing but have limited availability, you can still play, as most roles only need limited availability. If you want to enter the game in that capacity, please PM me and I will exclude the few critical roles when I do your role. I would recommend not saying publicly that you did this, however, as knowledge you are not in a critical role could affect the game.

[Chief Rum]

An eery red full moon shines down on the Whitechapel District on a brisk, early autumn night. There is more than just the usual roustabouts on the lurk tonight!

A terrifying scream rips through the air on Whitechapel Road, in an alley beside the Bumbrady Inn. Screams are not uncommon in the East End, but this chilling outcry would freeze the hottest blood. The night watchman walks over to investigate--and throws up at what he sees.

The whore Polly Ann Nichols, always pleasant considering her line of work, lies dead against the wall of the inn, her blood pooling in the crevices of the cobblestones underneath her. The look on her face, frozen forever, reflects the sheer terror with which she met her end, eyes wide open looking into Hell itself. Her face is almost pristine--the rest of her is not. Her torso has been cut open from navel to throat, in a jagged manner that can only reflect the purity of hatred in the killer's twisted heart.

Jack The Ripper, the Whitechapel Murderer, has claimed his first victim.

Word spreads quickly throughout the district as a crowd gathers, and people awake from uneasy slumbers. Cries of anguish, fear and anger rake the air. There is little police presence here--the night watchman is the closest to it, and he still needs help standing after this gruesome sight--but there is certainly justice.

Little power can match that of the hungry mob, and the ringleaders work quickly. "No one will enter or leave Whitechapel until this diabolical killer is found!" Guards are set on the outskirts, and a blanket of fear falls on the rabbled populace.

It is decided. On the morrow, a suspect will die, hung by his gullet not more than a few yards from the last alley Polly Ann would ever see. And one will die every day, until the mob is certain this latest Satan has passed from this Earth.

THE GAME IS BEGUN!

[Chief Rum]

The Rules

As with most other WW games, this game is divided into night and day phases. The first phase will be a danger-free, non-mandatory Night Zero, followed by a normal Day One.

Most of the time, the end of the days will come at 10 p.m. EST (7 p.m. PDT) on weekdays. If there is a change, it will be announced well in advance. The night phase actions will be due by 7 a.m. EST (4 a.m. PDT). This will likely not change except for weekends.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Day One will end at 9 p.m. EST (6 p.m. PDT) due to a prior moderator obligation.

Each day, you will vote for someone who will be lynched by the terrorized mob of Londoners. You will do this by bolding your vote (as in VOTE CHIEF RUM). If you wish to change your vote, you must first unvote your previous vote (UNVOTE CHIEF RUM). The person with the most votes at the end of each day phase will be hung from the highest lantern post on Whitechapel Road until dead. This vote is subject to only one rule--the lynch candidate must have at least one-third of the available voters, rounded down to the next whole number. So if you have 15 voters, at least 5 votes must be placed on the person to be lynched. If you have 14 voters, only 4 votes are needed (14/3= 4 2/3, rounded down to 4). After all, a lynch mob needs some consensus to really get going.

All Day Actions, if you have any, are due by the lynch deadline.

If you have any night actions, you must PM me during the night phase if you choose to use them. Please see your individual PMs for more instructions there. Night actions are due by the end of the night phase.

You may never quote my PMs to you, nor use words in them to identify each other. As in other games, you can paraphrase what you have learned there, but that is all.

You may not edit or delete posts in this thread, even for grammar. Only I may do so.

You are not allowed to self-vote, and the vote will be rejected if you attempt to do so.

I am taking a lighter approach to Anxiety's rules about language and harrassment. I think there is a line that should not be crossed. That said, I will not penalize you for reactions involving most foul language. However, if you include such language in a personal attack or I deem it to be a completely unnecessary use of the word, I may punish you for using it, from a warning to more harsh punishments.

In other words, be yourselves--but take a little care to review your posts before posting.

As for harrassment/treatment of others, I will take that on a case by case basis. Personal attacks outside the scope of the game are not allowed, but accusations and argumentation within the scope of the game are. We should all be having fun here.

IMPORTANT #2: Reaching the moderator

In every WW game, questions will arise, particularly in complex ones. As such, I feel I need to make myself reachable at most reasonable times of the day. Unfortunately, I work all day (likely away from home computer from 5:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. PDT) at a place that resricts me from reaching FOFC.

If you have a question about the game or your role that cannot wait until I return, you may email me at [email protected]. You must state what your FOFC handle is and whether your question is for private use or public use. If it is private, this will serve as similar to a PM to me. If it is public (like a question asked publicly in the thread), I expect you to post my response in the thread when you receive it, so that all will know how I responded. If I come home and find that it has been intentionally misconstrued in some manner, I may choose to punish for that.

I would prefer that you be absolutely certain you need to know this before I get home in order to email me. Information that involves clarifying night actions or rules/information that affect lynch votes are good enough reasons to email me at work.

Most nights I will be readily available and when I am not, I will announce it.

I reserve the right to change the rules of the game as needed to ensure the proper flow of the game and of the entertainment of its participants, but I will always try to remain within the spirit of the game and original rules.

Any infractions against these rules will be punished on a case-by-case basis, including removal from the game. The criminal element in the East End is ravenous in its pursuit of wealth and excitement--and I am not afraid to use it.

The Sides

There are three sides in this game, but it will appear to be two. That is because there is the definitively evil and the altruistic good at either end, and then there is the normal destitute populace of the East End--a mass of people who try to be good (for the most part), but usually fail.

For the purposes of this game, you are either evil or you are not. And you will know if you are evil, so if you have any doubt--you are not evil. The evil side wins if they bring the numbers of good down to equal to theirs. Some of the individual evil roles will have their own further conditions to achieve a major victory, but their essential purpose is the minor victory--evil wins.

For good, it is much the same. A few roles will have major victory conditions, but the maing oal is the elimination of evil from the Whitechapel District, including Jack The Ripper aka The Whitechapel Murderer. Most of the members of "good" are Londoners just trying to survive, and they aren't saints. They're just less evil than Jack The Ripper, so they count with the good.

Weather and location do matter greatly in this game. A traditional London fog can shroud activities at night. A good rain can scare everyone back inside. But a strangely clear night with a bright moon also can bring its own dangers.. At the end of every day, there will be a forecast of the night's weather. It will be a good indicator, but as with any weather forecast, it can be wrong. Keep that in mind when choosing your night actions.

The district of Whitechapel is a large and filthy one with many nooks and corners and alleyways you wouldn't want to go into. For purposes of this game, there are four main areas within the district. They are Whitechapel Road itself (the main thoroughfare and the largest commercial area--it includes a hotel, a constabulary and an opium den), Bishopsgate to the west, Cavell Street to the east, and Commercial to the south. It may be necessary to focus your night actions on any of these areas individually. If you need to do so, you may refer to them as Whitechapel, Bishopsgate, Cavell and Commercial. Different spots in the district are homes to different people in the game.

The Roles

THE SIDE OF GOOD

Here are some of the roles that you may see on the side of good, although none are guaranteed to be in the game.

Sherlock Holmes: The reknowned detective comes alive here in Whitechapel as he tackles his biggest case yet. Can he solve the murders of Jack The Ripper?

Dr. John H. Watson: What would Holmes be without his trusty sidekick, Watson?

Chief of Inspectors, Scotland Yard: The chief has been charged by his superiors to find Jack The Ripper, and he is in the district to do just that.

Inspector Lestrade: The chief is a bureaucrat, so he has brought his most successful inspector. Lestrade may have gone undercover in Whitechapel to track down the evil terrorizing the district.

Night Watchman: The night watchman is charged by the local constabulary to keep an eye on things when the sun sets. He patrols the district and tries to keep the few good souls there from harm.

The night watchman is an occupation, not an identity, and there are possibly a few more jobs of import here.

Prostitutes: You can't have the East End without the ladies of the night--and the targets of Jack The Ripper himself. Evil wants to bring all good down. Jack The Ripper is only after the whores. Hopefully the benefits are worth that huge downside.

Urchins: Orphans aplenty roam the streets of Whitechapel. They have their uses--they are particularly sneaky and get their ears around all sorts of things--but be careful, that waif may have just stolen your wallet.

Opium Den Dealer: He runs the opium den on Whitechapel Road, and you can pass a time or two there if you like. It's not very reputable, but then, just being seen in Whitechapel will get you off of Queen Victoria's guest list to the Royal Ball.

Bordello Mum: Pimps are a twentieth century invention. Mum can't turn tricks anymore, but she is a survivor, and she helps the girls as much as she can.

Londoner: This is your common villager. You may work in a foundry, a slaughterhouse, a tannery, perhaps down at the fishmarket. Who knows? It's hard work for cheap wages. But you are your basic common London townfolk in this game, likely collateral for the powers that be.

THE SIDE OF EVIL

Jack The Ripper: This is the notorious Jack The Ripper, and he is in the game. After all, it's named after him. Jack gets a minor victory if he kills all the prostitutes or if evil wins. If both happen, he gets a major victory.

Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde: Victims gruesomely torn apart as if by some powerful creature have begun to show up in Whitechapel. Jack The Ripper may not be the only monster in town.

Dr. James Moriarty: Moriarty, Holmes' longtime nemesis, is also the head of London's crime syndicate, many activities of which is carried out in Whitechapel. He is here to see to his interests--and attempt to foil Holmes, of course. If Moriarty evades Holmes or evil wins, he gets a minor victory. If he combines the two, he gets a major victory.

Fagin: The urchins move about with more urgency than one would expect from the abandoned and hungry. There is an evil powerbroker keeping them fed--and under his control. Fagin, the infamous child exploiter, is no longer just a Dickensian nightmare.

The American Werewolf: He once was a fearless lad who decided to leave his homeland in America to travel the world--until he got bitten by a mysterious furred beast outside of London. He has settled into Whitechapel, and he has the taste for human blood.

THE WILDCARD

Beware, there may be freemasons afoot. They control everything, or so it is thought. Their power goes right up to the throne itself. They do work for either side--sometimes at the same time. But are there masons in Whitechapel? If they are around, they have the victory condition most of the rest of Whitechapel has--simple survival, whomever wins.

[Chief Rum]

Players List

1. Barkeep49-- Dark Annie Chapman, a prostitute and on the side of good, killed Night Five
2. DaddyTorgo-- Professor Moriarty, criminal mastermind on the side of evil, commited suiced on Day Seven
3. Schmidty-- Oliver Twist, urchin and on the side of good, killed Night Three
4. Blade6119
5. bulletsponge-- Tommy Levine, slaughterhouse worker and on the side of evil (converted), lynched on Day Seven
6. Fouts-- James Tennyson, common Londoner and bartender on the side of good, killed Night One
7. saldana-- Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, two-faced monster on the side of evil, lynched on Day Four
8. Lathum-- Jack The Ripper, serial killer on the side of evil, stabbed to death on Day Two
9. Jonathon Ezarik-- The Artful Dodger, an urchin and on the side of good, removed to an orphanage on Day One
10. Tyrith-- Scotty Galveston, common Londoner and glassmaker on the side of good, killed Night One
11. BrianD-- Jervis Hardick, common Londoner and tailor on the side of good, killed Night One
12. path12-- Matthew Thompson, factory work and on the side of good, killed Night Six
13. st. cronin
14. LoneStarGirl-- Fagin, child exploiter and on the side of evil, lynched Day Six
15. MrWednesday-- Night Watchman and on the side of good, killed Night Three
16. SnDvls-- Long Liz Stride, a prostitute and on the side of good, killed on Night Two
17. dubb93-- The American Werewolf and on the side of evil, killed suring a botched lynch attempt on Day Five.
18. AlanT-- Charles Shanding, a cooper and on the side of good, lynched on Day Three
19. hoopsguy
20. Dodgerchick-- Anthony Guillory, a fisherman and on the side of good, lynched on Day Six
21. Raiders Army
22. Swaggs
23. ntndeacon-- Inspector G. Lestrade, Scotland Yard detective and on the side of good, killed by Jack The Ripper on Day Two
24. Izulde

[Barkeep49]

I'm in.

[DaddyTorgo]

in

[Schmidty]

In.

[Blade6119]

Ill step in too

[bulletsponge]

would prefer "Jill the Stripper", but ill join this one too. Im in

[Abe Sargent]

Not sure if I will play this time or not. I;ve played or hosted every major WW game since May or so. Might be time for me to take a one game break. I'll think it over in the next few days.

[Fouts]

I'll give it a try.

[saldana]

i dont know why i bother, since i will die in 2 days, but i may as well lie to myself...


in

[Lathum]

in

[DaddyTorgo]

i dont know why i bother, since i will die in 2 days, but i may as well lie to myself...


in

dude...we weren't trying to kill you!!! we were trying to off cronin, your death was just a fortunate event okay? i didn't know it'd kill you too!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

In

[Tyrith]

Sure, count me in, I can make it crazy fun time.

[Chief Rum]

Not sure if I will play this time or not. I;ve played or hosted every major WW game since May or so. Might be time for me to take a one game break. I'll think it over in the next few days.

I hope you will play, but understand if you can't. I am figuring just not having a game for a two weeks (for most of us anyway) will help for those of us who need a break, but some need longer than others. ;)

[BrianD]

I'm in please.

[path12]

Oh yeah. I'm in.

[st.cronin]

in

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, jonathan, schmidty and Barkeep? I am so in.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In.

[SnDvls]

IN

[spleen1015]

Count me in.

[dubb93]

I'll play.

[Alan T]

I'll play too.

Good to see you in Dubb. :)

[Blade6119]

Dubbys back?? This game is going to be good

[saldana]

woot, welcome back dubb, in honor of your return, i wont vote for you on the first day.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SALDANA


errr...ummm...is it too early?

[LoneStarGirl]

Only 19 people? I thought we would hit at least 25... where is hoops and Dodgerchick?

[hoopsguy]

Have a few days to decide still - I'm looking at a pretty heavy workload right now and will likely miss some if not all of the next few games.

That said, I missed the last game and would like to play this one. So I'm trying to talk myself into playing ... just not sure it is feasible.

[path12]

Have a few days to decide still - I'm looking at a pretty heavy workload right now and will likely miss some if not all of the next few games.

That said, I missed the last game and would like to play this one. So I'm trying to talk myself into playing ... just not sure it is feasible.

Hear that siren song? C'mon, hoops, just one more......... :D

[hoopsguy]

Siren song??? I'm planning on playing quite a few more of these games. Just not sure about the timing on this one, despite the fact that I want to play it.

[Chief Rum]

I am a little disappointed in the total turnout so far as well, although it may just be that, with game start so far away, players can't be sure if they can play or not right now. For this reason, I am probably not going to actually give out roles until Monday night. That will allow everyone to return from the holiday and get a day of work in before deciding. So I am hoping for a surge of new players at the end.

I will probably putting in the potential roles in the GAME DETAILS section soon, so everyone can get a read on some of the roles that might be in the game. That might spur more interest, too (I hope).

25 is a decent number for my game when it is fully played out. With 19, I will have to remove some parts of the game, which would be disappointing, but I'll do what I need to do to ensure it's a good game for the number of players.

Ideally, I think the game is best played with 27-30 players, but I don't know if we can hit that number.

I hope you will be able to play, hoopsguy.

[Blade6119]

I am a little disappointed in the total turnout so far as well, although it may just be that, with game start so far away, players can't be sure if they can play or not right now. For this reason, I am probably not going to actually give out roles until Monday night. That will allow everyone to return from the holiday and get a day of work in before deciding. So I am hoping for a surge of new players at the end.

I will probably putting in the potential roles in the GAME DETAILS section soon, so everyone can get a read on some of the roles that might be in the game. That might spur more interest, too (I hope).

25 is a decent number for my game when it is fully played out. With 19, I will have to remove some parts of the game, which would be disappointing, but I'll do what I need to do to ensure it's a good game for the number of players.

Ideally, I think the game is best played with 27-30 players, but I don't know if we can hit that number.

I hope you will be able to play, hoopsguy.
Dont take this the wrong way, but i tend to believe 18 is the ideal number for games...25 is too big if you ask me, and 27-30 would ruin it in my mind. I think we have seen quite a few times games that large drag on and on after the talkative players have died and no one steps up to fill the void of conversation and ultimately the game suffers

Just my 2 cents

[Chief Rum]

Dont take this the wrong way, but i tend to believe 18 is the ideal number for games...25 is too big if you ask me, and 27-30 would ruin it in my mind. I think we have seen quite a few times games that large drag on and on after the talkative players have died and no one steps up to fill the void of conversation and ultimately the game suffers

Just my 2 cents

Actually, I agree. I have elements, though, that could make the game faster than a normal game that large. The 27-30 game is a game with all the roles included and a good number of non-roles in the game. I anticipated from the start that some of the fringe roles would be cut out when I went into this.

Something in the early 20s up to 25 would probably work just as well.

As for talkative players, well, just try not to die so soon. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Chief, in terms of trying to get a certain number of players - I would suggest doing a little recruiting to see if you can get the number you think is best for running your game. I know that I have done that for games in the past and people are often willing to participate if asked, even if they didn't sign up in the thread.

I'll go ahead and sign up, but I will very likely have less time to participate than I normally do. However, I don't want to sign up for the limited availability role - if I get a meaty role I'll make sure to fulfill the requirements associated with it one way or another.

[path12]

Siren song??? I'm planning on playing quite a few more of these games. Just not sure about the timing on this one, despite the fact that I want to play it.

My bad for being unclear. I had my metaphors mixed, should have been siren call but sounded more like swan song. Never mind, glad you're signing up!

[Lorena]

Now that Thanksgiving is over...

Sign me up Chief.

[Raiders Army]

I'll party with y'all. Be advised, I won't be on during the day.

[bulletsponge]

woot 2 more victims for my bloodlust!

[Swaggs]

I'm working really late on Tuesday, but if I make it past day 1, I should be able to get in.

So, I'm in.

[Chief Rum]

I'll party with y'all. Be advised, I won't be on during the day.

Don't worry, RA. That happens to a lot of people who don't have FOFC access during the workday (including me actually). As long as you come in to get your votes, night actions (if you have them) and follow along in the thread at some point, you should be fine.

Welcome to the game.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

Been awhile, but back in the day RA and I were on opposite teams almost as regularly as Alan and I seem to be these days.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. I think most games I was a baddie, I'd lobby to convert hoops. :) Always a dangerous guy whether he's good or evil.

Anyhow, I liked being able to read the game at work and think about it. When I get home I don't have as much time to think about what's going on and usually just go for a gut feeling (which is usually wrong since I'm so easily manipulated). The last thing I want to do is not be able to give 100% to the game. With DC and hoops in the game, this is almost like the old CoH group!

[saldana]

welcome back RA, its been so long since you played i think you qualify as a noob :)

[Lorena]

With DC and hoops in the game, this is almost like the old CoH group!

I'm a little embarrassed not remembering who hoops was in CoH, but I have very fond memories of our gettogethers on the weekends. I would like to get into an MMORGP sometime in the near future.

I was pretty excited to see you come aboard RA :)

[Raiders Army]

welcome back RA, its been so long since you played i think you qualify as a noob :)

Actually I never graduated from n00b status. I just called you a n00b to cover up my own insecurities. ;)

[Raiders Army]

I'm a little embarrassed not remembering who hoops was in CoH, but I have very fond memories of our gettogethers on the weekends. I would like to get into an MMORGP sometime in the near future.

I was pretty excited to see you come aboard RA :)

Hoops was Don the Baptist among others. While I'm trying to stay away from those games at this point in my life (since they're such a time-sucker), I too have very fond memories. I wonder what it would've been like with voice instead of typing.

[hoopsguy]

DC, did our CoH careers overlap? I was playing a little bit before RA and I know he was still around for a good bit after I stopped playing that game/timesuck (in the nicest possible way).

[Lorena]

DC, did our CoH careers overlap? I was playing a little bit before RA and I know he was still around for a good bit after I stopped playing that game/timesuck (in the nicest possible way).

They might have. I remember playing with kingfc, and jeebs for a little while and a lot with Marmel, RA, Bad-Example, Bonegavel, and ageofquarrel.

Yeah, those games are very, very addictive... much more than the WW games.

*sigh*

I miss Hellspirit, Angel Azul and Lori Swifthands :(

[Chief Rum]

CoH is Neverwinter Nights, right?

hoops, was it you I played a lot with for a time, along with HornedPurplewhateverhappenedtohim? I didn't play CoH, but I played before that (or maybe I did and just don't remember what it stands for).

If it was, that was fun, but it was an addictive as hell game.

[hoopsguy]

Wasn't me, Chief. City of Heroes is the first and only massive multi that I played. Invested about a year into it and haven't played another one since. Had a blast playing it, but timesinks like that are not made for 30+ year olds. Or at least that is what I tell myself when trying to justify not doing something that I enjoy.

[ntndeacon]

Now that iam back from Thanksgving I would like to play.

[bulletsponge]

woot! another victim.... erm player :)

[ntndeacon]

Vote Bulletsponge
gotta protect myself from Bullet's rampage

[spleen1015]

Chief, I need to drop out of the game. I don't think I will have time to play the next week or two.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I need to drop out of the game. I don't think I will have time to play the next week or two.

Sorry to hear that, spleen. Thanks for the heads up.

[Chief Rum]

Rules have been posted. Roles will follow tonight.

PM's will go out tomorrow night (Monday), and Night Zero actions (if any) are due by 7 a.m. EST (4 a.m. PDT) on Tuesday, Nov. 28. Day One will follow

[Lorena]

Coolness!

[Izulde]

I'll toss my hat in the ring, why not?

[Chief Rum]

Roles and sides have been added and elaborated in Post #3

It's almost game time. Roles to go out Monday.

[Lathum]

it may say this somewhere but are roles revealed upon death?

[DaddyTorgo]

plz dont kill me on day 1, k thnx?

[DaddyTorgo]

those are some awesomely inventive rules+roles

[Raiders Army]

Me likey having prostitutes in this game! Yummy!

[Chief Rum]

it may say this somewhere but are roles revealed upon death?

Actually, I neglected to mention that. Good catch. Yes, roles will be revealed upon death, although no guarantees that there isn't a night action in the game that could temporarily confuse things there. ;)

But, yes, you will receive role/identity information upon death.

[Chief Rum]

I am writing up roles even as we speak. The game will begin in the next couple hours.

[Lorena]

I am writing up roles even as we speak. The game will begin in the next couple hours.

woot!

It's been about 10 days or so since the last game? I'm pretty psyched :)

[bulletsponge]

woot!

It's been about 10 days or so since the last game? I'm pretty psyched :)

i havnt played in like 3 weeks so im getting excited too.

Me likey having prostitutes in this game! Yummy!

19th century working girls arnt as hot as they are in the movies. but lets just pretend this is a porno version of jack the Ripper ;)

[Lorena]

i havnt played in like 3 weeks so im getting excited too.

Yeah I noticed... what's up with that? I missed your smilies ;)

[Alan T]

Just a note before roles go out. I'm in NYC this week for work, so likely won't be as active as normal. I'll pop in every day after work and put in my thoughts though.

[bulletsponge]

Yeah I noticed... what's up with that? I missed your smilies ;)

been busy. but dont worry, i got pleanty of smileys for this Ripper game http://www.smileyhut.com/exile/muahaha.gif

[bulletsponge]

http://www.Smiley-Town.de/smiley.php?bild=UmF1Y2hlbi8wMzIuZ2lm

[Mr. Wednesday]

I just want to get it out here right now, I'm just a simple Londoner. ;)

[Barkeep49]

I don't have my role yet. I am going to bed now. I will be up around 7 AM eastern. I will check then and hopefully still be able to do a night PM if I am not a simple Londoner :).

[Lorena]

Cool, I received my PM.

[Swaggs]

Checking in real quick.

I will be really limited tomorrow with work, but should be able to participate more after that.

[Schmidty]

I'm here and my head has started to ache.

[hoopsguy]

And, in a shocking development, I am not a bad guy.

[Fouts]

Normal Londoner checking in.

[bulletsponge]

Psycotic killer che..... um.. Inocent villager checking in

[st.cronin]

villager here, ready to play

[Blade6119]

Psycotic killer che..... um.. Inocent villager checking in
Any other player would get lynched for making a joke like that on day one...but with bullet its just run of the mill :p

[Lorena]

Keep in mind guys that tomorrow is Day Zero

[Lorena]

Or Night Zero, or whatever.

[path12]

Londoner here.

[bulletsponge]

Any other player would get lynched for making a joke like that on day one...but with bullet its just run of the mill :p

if i was a killer, id slice you to bits on day 1 http://www.Smiley-Town.de/smiley.php?bild=R2V3YWx0LzEwNi5naWY=

[st.cronin]

Or Night Zero, or whatever.


Actually, I think NOW is night 0, and Day 1 starts at 7am.

[Alan T]

Got my role, I'm nothing special, just an ordinary good guy. I mentioned to Chief before the game that I couldn't be here much during daytimes. I'll be around to try to help catch bad guys though in the evenings.

[Tyrith]

This game amuses me. I might not be the best guy ever, but as this game goes I'm on the side of good.

[ntndeacon]

Just checking in. as usual I am again on the side of good.

[Chief Rum]

THE GAME IS OFFICIALLY ON!!!

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE.

NIGHT ZERO ENDS AT 7 A.M./4 A.M. EST/PDT, AND DAY ONE ENDS AT 9 P.M./6 P.M. EST/PDT ON TUESDAY.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Finally got my role... :)

First thought... do we have anything to lose by cataloging where everyone lives?

[Barkeep49]

I'm here.

[Chief Rum]

Time Check

[Chief Rum]

Deadline

[hoopsguy]

Most productive Night 0 ever. For now I'll keep my impressions to myself, but I'm feeling fairly good about having some kind of a formative trust list at the start of Day 1.

[Chief Rum]

The horror of the death of Polly Ann Nichols still hovers in the air. But the rest of the night is quiet. No one else dies on tonight.

Or no one anyone cares about, at least.

The rage and anger are still alive, though, fueled by fear. You all can feel it. There will be a lynch tonight. The mob has spoken.

But who will it be? Can you catch the killer before he strikes again?

NIGHT ZERO IS OVER. DAY ONE HAS BEGUN. THE VOTING DEADLINE TODAY IS 9 P.M. EST/6 P.M. PDT. DAY ACTIONS, IF ANY, ARE ALSO DUE BY THEN.

[Lathum]

courtest check in. I will be out most of the day without internet. I should be home in time to cast my vote.

As for Mr. Wednesdays idea I would rather wait to see how the mechanics of the game work before identifying what section of town I live in. I am afraid there may be some sort of dynamic involvong the weather or something that could influence a killers choice of what part of town to hunt in on a given night. Just a theory.

[Lathum]

dola first word should be courtesy

[Raiders Army]

Checking in. I will also be out most of the day (I get home about 5 PM Mountain); couple that with spotty internet coverage at times (damn you Time Warner!) and that may be a reason why I'm quiet. FWIW, my internet is usually spotty in the morning instead of at night.

I look forward to this game! Did anyone else get a PM that said they had 20 gold pieces for a prostitute? Just kidding. :)

[Barkeep49]

I too will be out for most of the day. I plan to check in around 3:30 and cast my vote then. Depending on whether or not I can find a hotspot, I might be around for more of this morning.

[ntndeacon]

I will also be gone most of the day. (til about 9 central) So I will have to make a blind guess at things early on.

[SnDvls]

checking in I'm not a baddie this game. :)

[Barkeep49]

Based on my PM I think there is a lot of information out there already. I hope we can overcome some issues to get it out there somewhat early. Once again I'm preaching my information is better for the villagers than secrecy philosophy.

[Izulde]

Clocking in. I'll be off and on most of the day and will be gone a good portion of the evening due to night class. :)

[BrianD]

I'm here as well. I'll be on most of the day, so I'm up for chatting if people want to bounce ideas around.

[Barkeep49]

Do we think all of the roles are in the game? I would say with a game of this size that the odds are good.

And thanks to a library I should be on for a bit and will likely cast my vote before I leave.

[BrianD]

Do we think all of the roles are in the game? I would say with a game of this size that the odds are good.

And thanks to a library I should be on for a bit and will likely cast my vote before I leave.

I would be a little surprised if they were all here. It just seemed like there were so many listed.

[Barkeep49]

I would be a little surprised if they were all here. It just seemed like there were so many listed.
Well there are 24 people and many of the roles seem interconnected which is why I thought there might be all of the roles in the game.

[BrianD]

Well there are 24 people and many of the roles seem interconnected which is why I thought there might be all of the roles in the game.

It is possible. I was figuring that a few were there to throw us off, but I could be wrong. I guess I just always expect our GMs to be overly devious. :)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Checking in.

[ntndeacon]

It is possible. I was figuring that a few were there to throw us off, but I could be wrong. I guess I just always expect our GMs to be overly devious. :)

I agree. I don't see all of those roles in the game either.

[hoopsguy]

20 players have checked in up to this point. I'll cross-reference this later if it looks like there is an issue with no-shows.

Also, I have seen check-in posts from all the people who are in my initial trust list. I would hope/expect some cross-vouch from these people, if it becomes necessary, at least today as we begin to learn how to interpret information.

Initial trust list = highly unlikely to be Jack

[hoopsguy]

I'm also willing to play the location game if others think this is a way to go. I believe I can contribute towards not just my information, but that of 1+ other players as well.

[Mr. Wednesday]

courtest check in. I will be out most of the day without internet. I should be home in time to cast my vote.

As for Mr. Wednesdays idea I would rather wait to see how the mechanics of the game work before identifying what section of town I live in. I am afraid there may be some sort of dynamic involvong the weather or something that could influence a killers choice of what part of town to hunt in on a given night. Just a theory.

I think variations in weather are unlikely, unless the district is a lot larger than I would expect.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I'm going to go ahead with this regardless of whether anyone else wishes to participate.

I live in the Cavell Street area.

[Lorena]

[b]

Weather and location do matter greatly in this game. A traditional London fog can shroud activities at night. A good rain can scare everyone back inside. But a strangely clear night with a bright moon also can bring its own dangers.. At the end of every day, there will be a forecast of the night's weather. It will be a good indicator, but as with any weather forecast, it can be wrong. Keep that in mind when choosing your night actions

If I were Jack, I would probably strike when there's fog, right? I'm not really comfortable with the idea making my home known because if there's fog in my area, I might be screwed.

[hoopsguy]

Do we know if Night 0 was a clear night? I have my doubts about Jack being able to process an action, but I do think the Night 0 weather report might be helpful in processing information received.

[hoopsguy]

I have a meta-game concern that could make for an interesting discussion. Do people think it is worth going down that path if it significantly enhances our chances of getting information - and hopefully a bad guy - with a Day 1 lynch?

If the prevailing notion is to leave meta-game info alone then I'll happily do that. But if people want to take advantage of publicly posted stuff that is available for interpretation I'll post my thoughts on it.

[saldana]

checking in...didnt get a chance this morning because my contractor came before i left for work.

my thoughts on early discussion:

i think it could be a bad idea to say where we live right away..i wouldnt surprise me if jack has to give a location of where he wants to hunt for hookers, or if the hookers have to say where they want to shop themselves each night.

Hoops, as far as the meta-game issue, if you are referring to what i think you are referring to, i think you should let it go...in this particular game, i dont think it is as definitive as it could be in others.

[BrianD]

I have a meta-game concern that could make for an interesting discussion. Do people think it is worth going down that path if it significantly enhances our chances of getting information - and hopefully a bad guy - with a Day 1 lynch?

If the prevailing notion is to leave meta-game info alone then I'll happily do that. But if people want to take advantage of publicly posted stuff that is available for interpretation I'll post my thoughts on it.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Did you find some info in a GM description that you thought might be useful, or are you pulling some wikipedia type info?

[Tyrith]

Usually someone has cast a random vote by now.

[saldana]

No one else dies on tonight.

Or no one anyone cares about, at least.



anyone else wondering what this might mean....the inference i get is that something else may have happened last night that isnt in the write up.

[DaddyTorgo]

at least i'm not a prostitute

[DaddyTorgo]

fwiw it looks like i may have a developing situation at work today (had a tearful phonecall from an employee earlier and just got a phonecall from my store manager (who is the one who made her cry) so i may end up dealing with that). Work is definately not the happy place that it used to be, I can tell you that.

[Mr. Wednesday]

anyone else wondering what this might mean....the inference i get is that something else may have happened last night that isnt in the write up.

I'd assume it's just flavor, indicating that there may have been a murder or other death in our neck of the woods, but it doesn't concern us.

[Blade6119]

I have classes until 3 PM my time(west coast), so ill be back later to chat it up..have a good morning yall

[DaddyTorgo]

blah. hafta go in to work to cover for a sick kid. wonderful! won't be back till i dunno...9:45 EST? sorry

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay Guys! I excited about this game! I was going through Werewolf withdrawals during Thanksgiving. GE and I just moved into a new house and for some reason Comcast didn't hook the internet up correctly. GE assured me it would be fixed tonight, but we only have one computer for the time being. I won't be on as much as usual for the first couple of days, but ill make sure to catch in during my off period during the day and as much as possible when school is over 4pm central.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hoops, you hasn't checked in yet? I know i was one of the five, so there are four more...

[dubb93]

OK, checking in. Let's see if I can remember how to play this game.

[ntndeacon]

Just to get a vote in there before my classes... It is random people

Vote dubb

[dubb93]

Just to get a vote in there before my classes... It is random people

Vote dubb

Ahhhhh.....I'm starting to remember what it feels like....

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, as far as the meta-game issue, if you are referring to what i think you are referring to, i think you should let it go...in this particular game, i dont think it is as definitive as it could be in others.

If you are looking at the same thing - check post content, timestamps, and what we know about the game mechanics, cycles, etc. And then tell me if you feel the same way.

LoneStarGirl - I believe everyone has checked in at this point. I'll convert my data into a little more organized spreadsheet later but a quick eyeball scan of the player list shows everyone has posted by now.

[st.cronin]

I don't have any information, but some folks are hinting that there is information out there. I would like to have something to base my vote on, so out with it folks.

[Swaggs]

Sorry guys, but I'm just on here for just a bit today.

Random vote:

Vote Fouts

[path12]

I don't have any information, but some folks are hinting that there is information out there. I would like to have something to base my vote on, so out with it folks.

Looks like there were some various interactions due to night 0 actions. Not sure that anyone wants to come right out with them yet.

[hoopsguy]

I don't have any information, but some folks are hinting that there is information out there. I would like to have something to base my vote on, so out with it folks.

If the vote looks like it is heading in a direction that I don't think makes sense I'll try to guide it in the later stages. But I also want to give people time to act and see if there is anything to take away from "random" Day 1 votes.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - I want to have a little more coordination on releasing information. Obviously if someone comes out with a cleared list, and supplies valid reasons for doing so, they not only put themselves at risk but also the people on that cleared list during night actions.

Yes, there was Night 0 information to be obtained for some people - well, at least me.

I'm pretty sure the quality of night information is going to be significantly impacted by the weather. Which is why I was wondering about the Night 0 forecast.

[st.cronin]

Well, I'll go for one of the players I have a hard time getting a "feel" for.

vote ntndeacon

[BrianD]

Yes, there was Night 0 information to be obtained for some people - well, at least me.

So apparently you weren't being an angel last night? :)

[hoopsguy]

For now, I'll leave my night activities up to the imagination of others. I'll just say that I'm on the side of the angels this game :)

[path12]

So apparently you weren't being an angel last night? :)

Doesn't look like too many of us will be angels at night. Does it appear to anyone else that most everyone has some kind of possible action?

[Fouts]

I'll be here for the next couple hours before heading to class. I will say that I had a fun night last night and somebody made 5 schillings. :)

[st.cronin]

For now, I'll leave my night activities up to the imagination of others. I'll just say that I'm on the side of the angels this game :)

I see only a few possible roles for you if you're truly good, and maybe only one role that doesn't put a target on you. These hints you're dropping are not quite how I would play.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, this is the kind of conversation that is always more interesting to have after the game is over and both sides have complete information.

It is entirely possible I'm making some bad assumptions about how the game will end up working and that I'll pay the price tonight for those assumptions. But I think there are a number of other scenarios that could unfold that are less dire in the short term.

[dubb93]

Well, I'm in and out. I plan on coming back around 530ish to check on the game again, but in the meantime I'll throw out my old standby vote. Obviously it is subject to change if anyone shares any information.

VOTE SALDANA

[BrianD]

Doesn't look like too many of us will be angels at night. Does it appear to anyone else that most everyone has some kind of possible action?

I'm wondering if the bad folks might not get some of the same actions as the good folks.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, this is the kind of conversation that is always more interesting to have after the game is over and both sides have complete information.

It is entirely possible I'm making some bad assumptions about how the game will end up working and that I'll pay the price tonight for those assumptions. But I think there are a number of other scenarios that could unfold that are less dire in the short term.

I wasn't neccesarily trying to have that conversation, I was guessing at your role based on what you had said and how I thought you would play a given role. I'm a bit stumped, but, of course, you may know something about your role that's not in the rules.

You have no comment on my vote for ntn?

[Barkeep49]

For now, I'll leave my night activities up to the imagination of others. I'll just say that I'm on the side of the angels this game :)
I don't think that's completely true. In fact, since it's D1 and all...

Vote Hoopsguy

[Barkeep49]

And with that I'm likely out for the day. Slight chance I'll be back on later.

[st.cronin]

ugh, and after Barkeep argues that more info is better for the village, he makes that enigmatic comment...

[Fouts]

I'm wondering if the bad folks might not get some of the same actions as the good folks.

That may be true. I believe the visited prostitutes are on the side of good, so I know the person I visited is on my side. If the bad guys (i.e. Jack) are able to visit prostitutes at night, that gives them a target.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jack can only kill the prostitutes.

[BrianD]

I wasn't neccesarily trying to have that conversation, I was guessing at your role based on what you had said and how I thought you would play a given role. I'm a bit stumped, but, of course, you may know something about your role that's not in the rules.

You have no comment on my vote for ntn?

Why do we think Hoops is hinting at a role?

[Barkeep49]

ugh, and after Barkeep argues that more info is better for the village, he makes that enigmatic comment...
Ok not quite gone yet (the allure of WW is stronger than grading some papers). I wouldn't read too much into that. It's just that when hoops is bad he's never completley bad. And when hoops is good he's never completely good. One needs a day 1 vote, afterall, and with so little to go on, I went with that.

[st.cronin]

Why do we think Hoops is hinting at a role?

He says he got information on night 0.

[BrianD]

That may be true. I believe the visited prostitutes are on the side of good, so I know the person I visited is on my side. If the bad guys (i.e. Jack) are able to visit prostitutes at night, that gives them a target.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jack can only kill the prostitutes.

I think the prostitutes are on the side of good. I just wonder if they can trust those that visit them...

[Barkeep49]

That may be true. I believe the visited prostitutes are on the side of good, so I know the person I visited is on my side. If the bad guys (i.e. Jack) are able to visit prostitutes at night, that gives them a target.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jack can only kill the prostitutes.
Hmm. What does it tell us about the people who visit prostitutes? I can't decide if it tells us anything about them or not.

[st.cronin]

Ok not quite gone yet (the allure of WW is stronger than grading some papers). I wouldn't read too much into that. It's just that when hoops is bad he's never completley bad. And when hoops is good he's never completely good. One needs a day 1 vote, afterall, and with so little to go on, I went with that.

I'm sorry, that makes even less sense to me.

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, since Jack gets a minor victory condition for killing all prostitutes I would be a little surprised if he visits them and pays them. Only way that makes any sense is if he has to identify them first. A two-step process to identify/kill 2+ prostitutes seems pretty challenging to complete prior to being identified.

[Barkeep49]

I'm sorry, that makes even less sense to me.
Hoops does things as a werewolf that does help the villgaers (post recaps, for instance). And he's willing to lie and decieve as a villager if he thinks it'll help the villgaers overall. That is what I'm talking about.

[hoopsguy]

That read poorly - let's try a clarification:

A two-step process to identify/kill 2+ (2 night actions for each) prostitutes seems pretty challenging to complete prior to Jack being lynched.

[Fouts]

Fouts, since Jack gets a minor victory condition for killing all prostitutes I would be a little surprised if he visits them and pays them. Only way that makes any sense is if he has to identify them first. A two-step process to identify/kill 2+ prostitutes seems pretty challenging to complete prior to being identified.

Well, we probably have multiple killers in this game. To keep them all from killing every night, I am thinking they must kill the right TYPE of role.

[bulletsponge]

checking in. i wont name my street yet ( i dont want to look in my message just to find it).

since there is no real info on whom is good or evil yet ;) ill make a random vote

Vote Izulde

he was the last to sign up

[Fouts]

checking in. i wont name my street yet ( i dont want to look in my message just to find it).


What?

Vote Bulletsponge

[bulletsponge]

on a side nopte, i think Jack can ONLY kill prostitutes. and the other badies also have certain peeps they are allowed to kill.

[st.cronin]

Well, we probably have multiple killers in this game. To keep them all from killing every night, I am thinking they must kill the right TYPE of role.

Either that, or, more simply, they communicate with each other and decides who to send out each night.

[BrianD]

He says he got information on night 0.

I find it interesting that you find this noteworthy.

[bulletsponge]

What?

Vote Bulletsponge

is there something i said?

Unvote Izlude

Vote Fouts

is that better? :rolleyes:

[Fouts]

on a side nopte, i think Jack can ONLY kill prostitutes. and the other badies also have certain peeps they are allowed to kill.

Brilliant. How did you come up with that theory? ;)

[Fouts]

is there something i said?

Unvote Izlude

Vote Fouts

is that better? :rolleyes:

Fine with me. I have nothing to lose. How about you?

[st.cronin]

I find it interesting that you find this noteworthy.

Why? Do you think everybody got information on night 0? Because I didn't.

[BrianD]

Why? Do you think everybody got information on night 0? Because I didn't.

I would guess not everybody did, but I would bet most did...or could have.

[Fouts]

It feels like some people shut down the information flow with their accusations.

[hoopsguy]

I'll be here for the next couple hours before heading to class. I will say that I had a fun night last night and somebody made 5 schillings. :)

This statement earlier by Fouts seems like the kind that can be pretty easily vouched for by other patrons or by the tramps. Unless there is variable pricing in this town, that fee should be the kind of information that people include in their evaluations on Fouts.

Until someone comes out and disputes this number, I'll believe Fouts is not the Ripper - which is the basis for my initial trust list because I don't know a way right now to distinguish between the other bad guys.

[hoopsguy]

Here is my early vote total, as of Post #177:

Fouts 2 -- Swaggs (138), Bullet (171)
Dubb 1 -- NTN (134)
NTN 1 -- Cronin (142)
Saldana 1 -- Dubb (149)
Hoops 1 -- Barkeep (152)
Bullet 1 -- Fouts (167)

[path12]

I'm wondering if the bad folks might not get some of the same actions as the good folks.

I'm wondering about that also. Seems like it could be easier than usual to come up with some sort of trust list if only good could do certain things. Still though, it does sound like you agree most everyone can do something, whether good or bad.

[BrianD]

It feels like some people shut down the information flow with their accusations.

I hope it wasn't me that did that. I actually thought not having information was more suspicious and was hoping people would throw out those nuggets of info here and there.

[Lorena]

I'll be popping in and out throughout the day. The votes are kinda all over the place and I'm a little uncomfortable voting for someone that already has a vote on them because it reflects poorly on the castee.

Vote path12

Subject to change of course.

[BrianD]

This statement earlier by Fouts seems like the kind that can be pretty easily vouched for by other patrons or by the tramps. Unless there is variable pricing in this town, that fee should be the kind of information that people include in their evaluations on Fouts.

Until someone comes out and disputes this number, I'll believe Fouts is not the Ripper - which is the basis for my initial trust list because I don't know a way right now to distinguish between the other bad guys.

I'm guessing you won't see people dispute that number.

[Lorena]

dola,

no particular reason for my vote; I just looked at the list of players and his name stood out.

[path12]

Well, we probably have multiple killers in this game. To keep them all from killing every night, I am thinking they must kill the right TYPE of role.

Or they have some sort of timing rule (after day 3, every other day, etc) or else they might have to specify an area or something like that (Jack has to state he's looking on Cavell for a prostitute, maybe). It does seem unlikely that they would all be able to kill every night.

[path12]

I'm guessing you won't see people dispute that number.

Third that.

[bulletsponge]

This statement earlier by Fouts seems like the kind that can be pretty easily vouched for by other patrons or by the tramps. Unless there is variable pricing in this town, that fee should be the kind of information that people include in their evaluations on Fouts.

Until someone comes out and disputes this number, I'll believe Fouts is not the Ripper - which is the basis for my initial trust list because I don't know a way right now to distinguish between the other bad guys.

if someone comes out and vouches for him they set themselves up to be a target of the Ripper though

[BrianD]

if someone comes out and vouches for him they set themselves up to be a target of the Ripper though

It would probably be better if the prostitutes didn't out themselves just in case Jack is paying attention. In fact, if you all want to come to my place, I'll take care of you... :D

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, why would someone else who paid 5 shillings be a target for the Ripper? Unless there was only one person getting serviced last night.

Even if that is the case, I would expect that there is a pretty good chance that someone else would be able to confirm/deny that number by tomorrow at the latest.

With that in mind, I don't think Fouts is the right person to target today. And at the moment he is the leading vote-getter.

[Tyrith]

The Fouts vote seems really weak to me. This game seems like it has a lot of night actions floating around; we shouldn't kill someone just for being outside at night.

That said...*shrug*. I don't think a no-lynch would be insanely terrible today, but we seem to have enough going around that we have a marginally better chance than normal of getting a bad guy. I'm going to hold off voting for now until this clears up a touch more.

[Blade6119]

For now, I'll leave my night activities up to the imagination of others. I'll just say that I'm on the side of the angels this game :)

I don't think that's completely true. In fact, since it's D1 and all...

Vote Hoopsguy

No offense to the arguments being put out there but this seems a rather subtle hint...the fact barkeep is going after hoops on day 1 is alarming to me, the fact he seems to somewhat accuse hoopsguy alarms me further. Hes not around, but until i hear a better argument elsewhere ill follow what could be a hint that everyone seemed to gloss over.

[st.cronin]

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's various comments. They were way out of character, as was the vote.

[Fouts]

No offense to the arguments being put out there but this seems a rather subtle hint...the fact barkeep is going after hoops on day 1 is alarming to me, the fact he seems to somewhat accuse hoopsguy alarms me further. Hes not around, but until i hear a better argument elsewhere ill follow what could be a hint that everyone seemed to gloss over.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It looked like hoops was giving incomplete information, on purpose, and Barkeep was pointing it out. Barkeep then gave what looked like an obligatory Day 1 vote on hoops.

Am I missing something important?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hoops is not a guy I want to be involving on day 1 without something definitive. We can start thinking about whether he's been helpful enough later.

VOTE Barkeep49

[Fouts]

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's various comments. They were way out of character, as was the vote.

Ah, now I see what he was getting at. Initially, I thought blade was going after hoops, now I see that it is Barkeep.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I've got about 30 minutes to play this out if you want to ask some questions.

What I think would qualify as a poor play would be to go after the one person who is coming out on Day 1 saying that they possess some information that could be used to form a trust list. That could be a bluff, I suppose, but I don't think it fits at all with my usual MO as a bad guy.

If the information I gained was reciprocal - and I believe it was based on location rather than role-specific in this instance - then there should be three people out there who can place me last night and should be working with the assumption that I'm not a bad guy. I don't know what info was contained in their PM's, but I'll speculate that they would clear me rather than condemn me at this stage in the game.

As far as what Barkeep suggested, I'm playing my cards pretty openly this game. I would like to think that is to the benefit of the law abiding citizens of London - time will tell, I guess.

[BrianD]

Ah, now I see what he was getting at. Initially, I thought blade was going after hoops, now I see that it is Barkeep.

I think Blade was suggesting that Barkeep might know something which caused the Hoops vote.

[path12]

Even if that is the case, I would expect that there is a pretty good chance that someone else would be able to confirm/deny that number by tomorrow at the latest.

I believe it's been confirmed a couple times already. I agree it certainly makes me not want to vote Fouts.

I hate to read big things into day 1 comments, but it struck me that st.cronin seemed surprised that people got night 0 info. It's likely not anything, but it's somewhat better than random.....I thought it was obvious that there could have been a lot going on last night, so any surprise makes me wonder if they have a different role.

Vote st.cronin

[hoopsguy]

Updated votes as of Post #197:

Fouts 2 -- Swaggs (138), Bullet (171)
Dubb 1 -- NTN (134)
NTN 1 -- Cronin (142)
Saldana 1 -- Dubb (149)
Hoops 1 -- Barkeep (152)
Bullet 1 -- Fouts (167)
Path 1 -- DC (181)
Barkeep 1 -- MrW (193)
Cronin 1 -- Path (197)

Remember, we need to have at least 1/3 on a candidate to have a lynch. So at some point we will need have some consolidation to move towards a lynch.

[Fouts]

I think Blade was suggesting that Barkeep might know something which caused the Hoops vote.

See, that is what I thought at first. After rereading it, it looks like blade is suspicious of Barkeep for going after hoops so early.

[Blade6119]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It looked like hoops was giving incomplete information, on purpose, and Barkeep was pointing it out. Barkeep then gave what looked like an obligatory Day 1 vote on hoops.

Am I missing something important?

Hoopsguy said he was "on the side of angels," and barkeep said he didnt think that was entirely true...to me that means he saying hoopsguy isnt good, or at least not an angel. You can draw your own conclusions from it, i have one that i dont care to share yet, but putting pressure on the only one of the two here(barkeep is awol) will hopefully net us some more information

[Fouts]

<Class cancelled for tonight, so I'll get a full day's worth of posts in.>

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.

[st.cronin]

I believe it's been confirmed a couple times already. I agree it certainly makes me not want to vote Fouts.

I hate to read big things into day 1 comments, but it struck me that st.cronin seemed surprised that people got night 0 info. It's likely not anything, but it's somewhat better than random.....I thought it was obvious that there could have been a lot going on last night, so any surprise makes me wonder if they have a different role.

Vote st.cronin

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

[Blade6119]

See, that is what I thought at first. After rereading it, it looks like blade is suspicious of Barkeep for going after hoops so early.

The comments barkeep made were suspicious, but knowing barkeep, for him to go after hoopsguy on day 1 is suprising to me. So i take it as more then just a random day 1 vote...which side is evil, i dont know..but i at least felt it seemed anything but random

[Fouts]

Hoopsguy said he was "on the side of angels," and barkeep said he didnt think that was entirely true...to me that means he saying hoopsguy isnt good, or at least not an angel. You can draw your own conclusions from it, i have one that i dont care to share yet, but putting pressure on the only one of the two here(barkeep is awol) will hopefully net us some more information

One can argue that none of us are angels. Most are prostitues, or people who visit prostitutes.

[Fouts]

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

Wrong.

[st.cronin]

<Class cancelled for tonight, so I'll get a full day's worth of posts in.>

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.

Where have I said I have no night actions?

[Barkeep49]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It looked like hoops was giving incomplete information, on purpose, and Barkeep was pointing it out. Barkeep then gave what looked like an obligatory Day 1 vote on hoops.

Am I missing something important?
Not from my perspective. My plans got canceled so I'm around for the night after all.

[st.cronin]

Wrong.

Oh, ok. What information did I get last night?

[Blade6119]

Wrong.

Night 0, in general, is a game period in which players with actions can gain information. I have never seen one where players were killed, so i would agree that night 0 is a time for players to get a jump start on gaining information.

While im not a fan of most of cronin's comments here-to-fore, that one in particular threw up no red flags for me. Care to elaborate?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, you got your wish - Barkeep is now viewing the thread as well. So you can ask him directly about his vote, or ask me to provide additional information.

But I do have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'll be watching the Illini game this evening. So if you want new info from me before about 9PM CST I would ask that you ask quickly.

[Barkeep49]

<Class cancelled for tonight, so I'll get a full day's worth of posts in.>

I am also suspicous of anyone who claims no night actions. I am just about a nobody, and I have, at least, a choice of visiting a prostitute.

I am not against changing my vote to st. cronin.
So why do you want to visit a prostitute? You don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I was wondering what would make someone visit a whore.

[Fouts]

Oh, ok. What information did I get last night?

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

[Fouts]

So why do you want to visit a prostitute? You don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I was wondering what would make someone visit a whore.

To know who is on the side of the "good".

[Blade6119]

Blade, you got your wish - Barkeep is now viewing the thread as well. So you can ask him directly about his vote, or ask me to provide additional information.

But I do have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'll be watching the Illini game this evening. So if you want new info from me before about 9PM CST I would ask that you ask quickly.

To be honest, i dont want to ask you a thing. For the time being im going to work under the assumption i know what role your playing and worry about other things in the short run. I would very much like to lean more about barkeep, and i figured with him gone you could help me there. With him back, you have fun watching the illini.

[Fouts]

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.

To expand, I believe everyone has night actions in this game. I'm sure my small role is duplicated, so my death is a small matter compared to one of the named roles.

[st.cronin]

So far I have been accused of claiming to be surprised that people had night actions, which I never said, and that I claimed to have no night actions, which I never said.

So people are voting for me based on things I never said.

All I have ever said is that I got no information last night, and that people who did get information should share it.

[hoopsguy]

Just as a point of clarification, I did not see Fouts at all last night. So when I suggested not voting for him, it was because I think the 5 shillings comment is easily verifiable either today or tomorrow at latest. It would be a dumb lie for a good player to be caught in on Day 1.

So I would prefer not voting for Fouts, me, or three other players. Right now there is a total of one vote spread across those other three players.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You said night 0 was for certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us. I said that was wrong. I am a regular joe and I had night actions on night 0.
What makes you think "regular joe" is not a "certain role"? :p

[dubb93]

Barring a Barkeep role reveal I do not think it is a good idea to vote Hoops today. I think there is enough information out there to make a solid guess as to his role.

[hoopsguy]

I'll put a vote on someone who is not on my list of trust right now and who did not in any way identify himself upon his arrival. Beyond that, there is no real reason for suspicion - there are about six people who fit the above profile.

I don't think people should take this with any more weight than I'm suggesting. I've got a slightly better chance on a random guess than some other players in the game right now but that is it.

VOTE SWAGGS

[dubb93]

And with that I'm out until probably after the deadline. Time to go back to work. I'm sticking with my Saldana vote, its random, but thats all I feel like we got at this point.

[Alan T]

Caught up on the day. Its moved a bit slower than I expected it to. Not sure on why things were fairly quiet today.

Just from my initial reading of day 1, this is my feelings on people so far.



Feel ok:

Fouts
BrianD
Raiders Army

Leaning to ok:
Hoops
Path

Leaning to not ok:
St.Cronin
Bulletsponge
Barkeep

Everyone else I don't really have a feel for yet.

I'm going to only be here occasionally tonight and might miss the final 2 hours. Right now I am leaning towards voting for Izulde, however can vote St.Cronin if thats the way people run.

If people wonder why Izulde when he is not on my list of people I am getting suspicious of, its mostly a day 1 vote more random than anything else. He stated he would be here off and on today, however it appears its been more off than on, and hasn't been around to even comment on Bullet's vote for him for about 15 seconds earlier today. Izulde would be more of a day 1 hunch vote for me based on very little right now, and my normal desire to vote for a "newer" player to start with till we figure out the evidence.

[Fouts]

What makes you think "regular joe" is not a "certain role"? :p

Because I think there are multiple prostitutes, and multiple people who visit prostitutes. I am certain there are 2-5 people just like me in this game.

[st.cronin]

Caught up on the day. Its moved a bit slower than I expected it to. Not sure on why things were fairly quiet today.

Just from my initial reading of day 1, this is my feelings on people so far.



Feel ok:

Fouts
BrianD
Raiders Army

Leaning to ok:
Hoops
Path

Leaning to not ok:
St.Cronin
Bulletsponge
Barkeep

Everyone else I don't really have a feel for yet.

I'm going to only be here occasionally tonight and might miss the final 2 hours. Right now I am leaning towards voting for Izulde, however can vote St.Cronin if thats the way people run.

If people wonder why Izulde when he is not on my list of people I am getting suspicious of, its mostly a day 1 vote more random than anything else. He stated he would be here off and on today, however it appears its been more off than on, and hasn't been around to even comment on Bullet's vote for him for about 15 seconds earlier today. Izulde would be more of a day 1 hunch vote for me based on very little right now, and my normal desire to vote for a "newer" player to start with till we figure out the evidence.

Why are you leaning towards "not ok" with me? Because I was surprised people got information on night 0, or because I claimed to have no night actions?

Because, you know, neither one of those things is true.

[Alan T]

So far I have been accused of claiming to be surprised that people had night actions, which I never said, and that I claimed to have no night actions, which I never said.

So people are voting for me based on things I never said.

All I have ever said is that I got no information last night, and that people who did get information should share it.


Cronin, I can't answer for others, but I will explain why you independantly ended up on my starting to suspect list as best as I can. from these posts:


I don't have any information, but some folks are hinting that there is information out there. I would like to have something to base my vote on, so out with it folks.

This was the initial post. It by itself didn't seem like a big deal to me. I also have no information to provide today, so this seemed fine to me.


He says he got information on night 0.

This is the first ping on my radar today. You seem that Hoops is hinting at a role because he got information on night 0. This would tell me that you would expect some players in the game wouldn't be able to gain any kind of information at all.

I know I probably have one of the most simple basic roles in the game, and still I know that I have a way to get information at nights if I choose to do it. I chose to not pursue that option and instead spent some money in a different manner. The fact I as an "ordinary villager" type role has the ability to get information, that tells me that you aren't an ordinary villager. This alone doesn't make you bad, but it makes me wonder what you are exactly.

Why? Do you think everybody got information on night 0? Because I didn't.

This is follow up on my belief that you feel some people can't get information. True, not everyone got information on night 0, I as well didn't so that part of your statement isn't what bothers me, its more the inferrance that you had that others who did get info are hinting at roles, which I do not think is the case this game.

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

[Alan T]

Why are you leaning towards "not ok" with me? Because I was surprised people got information on night 0, or because I claimed to have no night actions?

Because, you know, neither one of those things is true.

See my below post, was putting it together when you posted this. Like I said in it, Its not based on anything you claimed, more the red flag I got from your "suggestion" that people who got information night 0 = roles. It at least tells me you aren't ordinary like me.

[Tyrith]

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

[st.cronin]

That makes no sense, Alan. You say that you got no information on night 0, and you're just a regular joe, and since I claimed to get no information on night 0, therefore I have a role.

Of course I have a role. I haven't said what that role is, but I am on the side of good. Do you deny that hoopsguy was hinting at a role? All I was doing with that was trying to figure out what role hoops was hinting at.

[Blade6119]

VOTE BARKEEP

He has acted strange for my tastes today...his vote hinted at more, but has given nothing. Barkeep doesnt make moves like that one day one usually, and he is usually good...

[st.cronin]

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

I agree that there is a best time and place for information, and I am going to assume that nobody has the ability to finger a bad guy today, since nobody has. But is it so odd that somebody with zero information would look for some help from people WHO CLAIM TO HAVE INFORMATION on where to put his vote?

[st.cronin]

unvote ntndeacon
vote Barkeep

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's play, as well. I really prefer to lynch a quiet player on day 1, and that's not Barkeep, but it looks like this is one of those games where everybody wants to lynch the more active types.

*sigh*

[Blade6119]

cronin and barkeep are both acting a little weird for my tastes. I know, cronin ALWAYS acts weird, but this seems to be bad weird to me. Putting information out there on Day 1 seems not so smart when we don't have much reason to do so.

To be honest, i dont get this comment...those are 2 of the few players NOT putting information out there...most everyone else is doing their best to give away all the cards they hold to the bad guys.

(If you cant notice, im not a fan of publicizing secret alliances i have newly formed until it can deal a blow to the bad guys...today is not the right time for us to be sharing all of our night 0 visits if you ask me, as it only makes the bad guys job of finding the good roles that much easier if you assume they are doing other things at night besides scoring some tail)

[Blade6119]

unvote ntndeacon
vote Barkeep

I was pretty baffled by Barkeep's play, as well. I really prefer to lynch a quiet player on day 1, and that's not Barkeep, but it looks like this is one of those games where everybody wants to lynch the more active types.

*sigh*

Who has been quiet? Has anyone not checked in yet?...besides, we had a night 0, so its not a normal day 1. If someone can account for barkeep, then ill move my vote. Ive heared no one vouch for him, and seen him hint at something against someone i have pegged into a role somewhat

[Barkeep49]

You only make it a game like that if you vote for people who say a lot.

Blade: You have this mindset of how I play. And then I step out of that. Like the time when I was a good guy and you were convinced, convinced you told me, that I was a bad guy because I was being quiet. Except I was a good guy.

I'm always trying out new things. I am a good guy. Period. I'm sorry that I'm stepping outside your comfort zone with a throwaway vote on hoops. I would love a better candidate, but one hasn't emerged so far.

[Barkeep49]

To be honest, i dont get this comment...those are 2 of the few players NOT putting information out there...most everyone else is doing their best to give away all the cards they hold to the bad guys.

(If you cant notice, im not a fan of publicizing secret alliances i have newly formed until it can deal a blow to the bad guys...today is not the right time for us to be sharing all of our night 0 visits if you ask me, as it only makes the bad guys job of finding the good roles that much easier if you assume they are doing other things at night besides scoring some tail)
Yet you want someone to vouch for me? If we shouldn't publicize secret alliances then you shouldn't expect someone to vouch for me.

[Blade6119]

Blade: You have this mindset of how I play. And then I step out of that. Like the time when I was a good guy and you were convinced, convinced you told me, that I was a bad guy because I was being quiet. Except I was a good guy.

Actually, you were evil that game...if im not mistaken, it was the game dubb pulled his turncoat 2 for 1 swap and won the game for evil. All game i said you were bad, no one believed me, and you ended up bad...am i mistaken, or are you referencing a different game.

I am fairly certain though in the game i reference, the one i time i can remember going balls to the wall on you, you were bad and did enough for no one to support me

[st.cronin]

Who has been quiet? Has anyone not checked in yet?...besides, we had a night 0, so its not a normal day 1. If someone can account for barkeep, then ill move my vote. Ive heared no one vouch for him, and seen him hint at something against someone i have pegged into a role somewhat

What about the guy I initially voted for, ntn? Or Izulde? Or Raiders, or Schmidty, or ... there's plenty of folks who have been quiet.

[Blade6119]

Yet you want someone to vouch for me? If we shouldn't publicize secret alliances then you shouldn't expect someone to vouch for me.

I dont want anyone to vouch for you, no...i would have prefered no one said anything about their actions until later in the game. Just like the seer, i prefer he not reveal until late when he can be truly helpful.

Though, whats done is done and i cannot ignore what is out there. I dont want people to share, but i must consider those that have.

[Blade6119]

What about the guy I initially voted for, ntn? Or Izulde? Or Raiders, or Schmidty, or ... there's plenty of folks who have been quiet.

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

[Alan T]

That makes no sense, Alan. You say that you got no information on night 0, and you're just a regular joe, and since I claimed to get no information on night 0, therefore I have a role.

Of course I have a role. I haven't said what that role is, but I am on the side of good. Do you deny that hoopsguy was hinting at a role? All I was doing with that was trying to figure out what role hoops was hinting at.

Like I said, my suspicion of you isnt based on you getting information on night 0 or not. Just the way it felt that people getting info on night 0 = a role. I don't really like lynching vets on day 1 which is why I wasn't really pushing for you, just trying to give an explanation of why you feel suspicious to me.

You seem to be reacting really strongly to me when I was doing as you requested, just answering on what my feelings were based on.

[Barkeep49]

Actually, you were evil that game...if im not mistaken, it was the game dubb pulled his turncoat 2 for 1 swap and won the game for evil. All game i said you were bad, no one believed me, and you ended up bad...am i mistaken, or are you referencing a different game.

I am fairly certain though in the game i reference, the one i time i can remember going balls to the wall on you, you were bad and did enough for no one to support me
The one time you went balls to the wall you were right, that is true. I'm talking a different game, I want to say around XXXV or so when I hardly posted. You were convinced this was a sign of my evil. I try out different things in different games. One only need look at the way I played Schmidty's Thing game compared to most of my games for proof of that. I try not to play the same game twice and so I'm not playing the same game twice here.

[st.cronin]

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

I would really prefer not to lynch Barkeep blindly. I'm going to move onto Izulde, who Alan and somebody else pointed out as being somewhat suspicious, and who has been quiet.

unvote Barkeep
vote Izulde

[Alan T]

And if you can get anyone to vote for them ill oblige. Right now though i see barkeep as my best bet of my suspects to get a lynch, of which we need 1/3 of the total population.

I doubt I'll vote for Barkeep today, even if it means us missing a lynch. I don't really like lynching our better players on day 1 hunches. I agree Barkeep has seemed really suspicious today to me, but I don't really want to vote for him. I said earlier I would move to St.Cronin if thats where people went, but I think in hindsight, I would rather avoid him too. Both are the most suspicious feeling to me so far today, but I am often wrong on hunches and would rather wait till I had more information to play so strongly on a hunch.

I'll throw a vote out for now

Vote Izulde

based on what I said earlier. I'll be around another hour or so and can move it if there is a better path to take tonight.

[st.cronin]

Like I said, my suspicion of you isnt based on you getting information on night 0 or not. Just the way it felt that people getting info on night 0 = a role. I don't really like lynching vets on day 1 which is why I wasn't really pushing for you, just trying to give an explanation of why you feel suspicious to me.

You seem to be reacting really strongly to me when I was doing as you requested, just answering on what my feelings were based on.

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

[Tyrith]

I don't really want to lynch someone out of the cronin/blade/barkeep mess right now because it's another one of those weird fights we can use slightly later on to help us figure out possible alliances, once people take up sides around it a little better. It doesn't seem like something that's going to go away, so why rush it when there's a big chance we'll learn more tonight or tomorrow night?

That said, I could probably still be convinced to lynch Barkeep; he's the most suspicious of the three right now to me. But I'm not in a hurry to do it just because of that one post. Barkeep is certainly capable of varying his play, so I'm not going to lynch him just because of that either.

That brings us back to the old UTR game, but I don't know if we can get much gas behind it at this point. Everyone that has soaked a random vote actually seems to be at least mildly talkative now that cronin moved his vote from NTN. Suggestions?

[Tyrith]

Oh, the irony!

VOTE IZULDE

[Alan T]

It gets tiring being seen as suspicious for the same reasons game after game, is all. Making my thought process public is just something I'm going to have to learn not to do.

I really wish you wouldn't take what I say and then say I'm doing something else.

There are plenty of vocal people out there, and I'm not after any of them. Some of the most vocal people have made my somewhat trusted early list. Others have fallen onto the not early trusted list. The others are in the unknown list.

Who am I voting for? Someone super active? No someone who has been quiet after saying he would be around some during the day. The reason you are suspicious is because the way you felt and made it fairly obvious to me that you dont have the "normal" role that I have. Whether that role you have is good or bad, I'm not sure but it feels very obvious to me that you don't have a generic role at least.

I was willing to leave our discussion as it was with my giving my thoughts on why I felt you were suspicious so far today, and you giving a rebuttle.. but don't come and mischaracterize my suspicion on you. Its absolutely crazy to think I would be after lynching active players on day 1. To even suggest that just feels really off to me. If anyone, I should be known for day 1 going after the Under the radar folks, the newer players, the ones I know the least about. Now you are just making up things.

[Tyrith]

Dola,

I should have dolaed that vote, it would have been much cooler.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE IZULDE

Like i promised

[path12]

This is incorrect. I was merely saying that my best guess as to what role hoopsguy was hinting at, it didn't make any sense for him to hint at it. I was simply pointing out what I thought was an odd play.

I have said that I did not get any information last night, but of course some people got information last night. That's what night 0 is for, to allow certain roles to get a jump on the rest of us.

That bolded part is what I have problems with. It's not just certain roles that can get information, it's most every role as far as I can tell (at least for good).