NFL Week 12 Sunday games thread

[fantastic flying froggies]

Arrington takes the opening kickoff to the house for a TD.

Cards 7 Vikes 0

Boy, that was fast!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Brees to Henderson 76 yds for a quick TD.
7-0 Saints over Falcons.

[Vince]

Manny Lawson with a beautiful leaping interception of Marc Bulger. Rams offense was moving pretty methodically on the Niners before that, though.

Edit: Challenged, but ruling on the field stood. What a great play.

[RedKingGold]

A lot of quick scoring so far today.

Baltimore, New Orleans, and Arizona all scoring on first possession.

[RedKingGold]

Manny Lawson with a beautiful leaping interception of Marc Bulger. Rams offense was moving pretty methodically on the Niners before that, though.

Edit: Challenged, but ruling on the field stood. What a great play.

I'm depending on you to keep me updated on the SF-STL game. I'm pissed I don't have it on TV.

[Vince]

I'm depending on you to keep me updated on the SF-STL game. I'm pissed I don't have it on TV.

I've got you covered until the laptop runs out of juice :)

Gore looking good with an 11 yard run to start things out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Vikings answer, C.Taylor 7 carries/53 yds & a TD. Now 7-7.
(notable largely because I've got Taylor starting for my woeful fantasy team this week)

[Vince]

Boo. Swing pass to Gore comes up inches short on 3rd Down, and we have to punt. Jackson is running real well, and the line is providing him with nice holes. The Niners really need to step up.

Rams with a first down.

[Vince]

WOOO! Holt fumbles, returned for a TD by Walt Harris. He's the one that also caused the fumble.

Blech, should be challenged, not sure if it'll stay there. Holt didn't have possession for long, if he did.

[Vince]

F***. Incomplete pass.

For the record, I think he DID have possession, but according to the rules, he's gotta make a move related to football, and he didn't. Boo.

[Buccaneer]

Go Saints.

[Vince]

Damn. Antonio Bryant (who isn't having a good week) gets called for a holding penalty to negate a 15 yard Gore run, we have to punt for a touchback. Blech.

[Icy]

Vick is going to beat some records today if he keeps running that way.

[Vince]

Blech. Jackson is running all over us. We really need to learn how to tackle him.

[Vince]

Held them to a field goal, at least.

[RedKingGold]

Damn. Antonio Bryant (who isn't having a good week) gets called for a holding penalty to negate a 15 yard Gore run, we have to punt for a touchback. Blech.

I wish we'd just cut Bryant's ass. I was one of his bigger fans in college, but he just does not have the mental makeup to translate into using his physical abilities,

[Vince]

Gah! Interception, Rams.

Edit -- Just a bad throw. Rookie CB gets called for taunting after the pick.

[RedKingGold]

God, Vick is just running all over the freaking place today.

[Vince]

Are you freaking kidding me?!!!? Arnaz Battle, hold onto the ball on a punt return!!!

[Vince]

F***. Stephen Jackson with a 20 yard TD run after the fumbled punt return.

[Alan T]

49ers fumble on the punt return.. 49ers are shooting themselves in the foot big time this game. The Rams aren't beating them, they are beating themselves.


Whats going on with Vick in the Falcons game? Im stuck with the 49ers game since I'm in San fran this last week.

Oh.. first play after fumble, rams run for a long TD... guess Rams are beating them too. 49ers need to pick it up if they are going to win this.

[Vince]

49ers fumble on the punt return.. 49ers are shooting themselves in the foot big time this game. The Rams aren't beating them, they are beating themselves.


Whats going on with Vick in the Falcons game? Im stuck with the 49ers game since I'm in San fran this last week.

Oh.. first play after fumble, rams run for a long TD... guess Rams are beating them too. 49ers need to pick it up if they are going to win this.

Ironically, that's why I'm not too worried. Our offense should have a bunch of points, so as long as we can eliminate the mental mistakes, we should be able to get back into this game. What does worry me is that Jackson is running all over us.

[Icy]

49ers fumble on the punt return.. 49ers are shooting themselves in the foot big time this game. The Rams aren't beating them, they are beating themselves.


Whats going on with Vick in the Falcons game? Im stuck with the 49ers game since I'm in San fran this last week.

Oh.. first play after fumble, rams run for a long TD... guess Rams are beating them too. 49ers need to pick it up if they are going to win this.

Vick stats at 4 minutes from halftime:

Passing: 6/13 for 30 yards
Rushing: 9 for 127 yards

I guess it says it all :)

[RedKingGold]

Vick stats at 4 minutes from halftime:

Passing: 6/13 for 30 yards
Rushing: 9 for 127 yards

I guess it says it all :)

You forgot the point that the Falcons trail the Saints 14-3.

QB Running All Over Place does not equal Wins.

[Vince]

Nice, nice drive. Couple of 25 yard passes to Antonio Bryant, then Frank Gore with a nice 10+ yard run for the TD.

[RedKingGold]

Nice, nice drive. Couple of 25 yard passes to Antonio Bryant, then Frank Gore with a nice 10+ yard run for the TD.

10-7?

[kingfc22]

10-7?

Yea. Niners need to stop turning the ball over.

[Rizon]

I'm depending on you to keep me updated on the SF-STL game. I'm pissed I don't have it on TV.

You're not missing anything :D

[kingfc22]

Damn it

[Vince]

Stupid Frerrotte. Nice pass to Curtis, who gets out of bounds with 3 seconds left, and Wilkins hits a 51-yard field goal to go up 13-7 at the half.

Bulger got nicked, but he should be back for the second half.

[RedKingGold]

WOW! Saint's last minute TD catch on a Hail Mary before the half!

Edit: There were like 7 Falcon d-backs down there! How the hell did that happen!

[Buccaneer]

Woohoo. No Martyball for Brees this season.

[Lorena]

Holy shit!! Drew Brees is the freaking MAN!!

[Lorena]

Wow, I'm in awe of that pass... unfreakingbelievable.

[GrantDawg]

Dear Mr. Blank,

Please fire everyone currently on staff for the Altlanta Falcons.

Sincerely,
Sick and tired of this crap

[Antmeister]

Woohoo. No Martyball for Brees this season.

Heck, there is no Martyball for the Chargers either. I am still happy for Brees, however and that was just an amazing hailmary.

[AlexB]

WOW! Saint's last minute TD catch on a Hail Mary before the half!

Edit: There were like 7 Falcon d-backs down there! How the hell did that happen!

Because D'Angelo Hall wanted a pick to add to his numbers/bonus rewards instead of just defending the pass away. That's how.

[AlexB]

Dola, but it was a good heave from Brees and excellent hustle by Copper

[Eaglesfan27]

Have a few friends over - we've all enjoyed this Atlanta - New Orleans game. Very entertaining.

[Buccaneer]

Heck, there is no Martyball for the Chargers either. I am still happy for Brees, however and that was just an amazing hailmary.

I know but that didn't seem to had helped Brees the previous two seasons.

[Buccaneer]

The Atlanta crowd booed the team after their first series in the 2nd half. Don't they know that'll hurt Vick's feelings. Nothing but a long run will take care of that, as long as they keep hitting FGs while the Saints score TDs.

[kingfc22]

Man, we ALWAYS us that same roll out play to the right inside the 5 and it NEVER works. Just give the ball to Gore and let him pound it.

[RedKingGold]

Updates on the 49er game?

[kingfc22]

TD Eric Johnson!

[kingfc22]

XP will make it 14-13 SF. It's good.

[Vince]

TD 49ers! Nice, 12 or 13 play drive. Pending Extra Point, should be 14-13 Niners.

[Crapshoot]

Vick is being impressive - 159 running yards so far.

[Vince]

Ok, Niners with a big first down. Under 10 minutes left and up by one, our ball on our own 30.

Nice run by Gore gets us near midfield.

[Philliesfan980]

Wow, Roddy White is brutal. I think Vick might kill him.

[JeeberD]

Roddy White...LOL.

[Philliesfan980]

I really like Jim Mora JR dropping down to his knees reacting to White's drop. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[kingfc22]

Niners O-Line is dominating the Rams D-Line right now.

[Lorena]

Wow, Roddy White is brutal. I think Vick might kill him.

Ditto.

Man, I'm not rooting for the Falcons but that hurt. Poor Vick; he stood in the pocket, took the hit and everything. Everyone's reaction on the sidelines says it all.

[Lorena]

I really like Jim Mora JR dropping down to his knees reacting to White's drop. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Exactly

[kingfc22]

Niners have knocked about 6-7 minutes off the clock by moving the ball around 60 yards on the ground this drive.

Big 3rd and short coming up.

[Lorena]

I mean right on the numbers... come on, you gotta make those catches :mad:

[kingfc22]

Rams guys gets blocked into Robinson and that is the ony way they stop them on that play.

[kingfc22]

Nedney FG makes it 17-13 with just under 4 minutes to go.

Come on D!

[Crapshoot]

Ditto.

Man, I'm not rooting for the Falcons but that hurt. Poor Vick; he stood in the pocket, took the hit and everything. Everyone's reaction on the sidelines says it all.

Exactly. When his recievers drop gifts, you understand why he has no faith in them.

[kingfc22]

Sack by B.Y. on first down.

[kingfc22]

4th and 1 for the Rams at their own 29.

2:31 to go and they have 2 TO's left.

[JeeberD]

Exactly. When his recievers drop gifts, you understand why he has no faith in them.

Well, the pass was underthrown. But still, he absolutely should have caught it...

[Vince]

Damn.

[kingfc22]

First down Rams as Jackson runs for 5

[kingfc22]

Rams down to the SF 18...

[kingfc22]

Cutler announced as Denver's new starter.


Rams have 4th and 1 at the SF 14

[kingfc22]

damn it

[kingfc22]

TD STL :(

[tanglewood]

Our studio analyst on the UK coverage hit the nail on the head for Atlanta in this game: "Roddy White couldn't catch the bubonic plague in the 14th century."

[Vince]

:(

[kingfc22]

Another coulda woulda shoulda game for the Niners this season.

[ISiddiqui]

If I was Jim Mora, I'd fire all the recievers and start over... actually I think he's incredibly close to doing so.

[Philliesfan980]

Our studio analyst on the UK coverage hit the nail on the head for Atlanta in this game: "Roddy White couldn't catch the bubonic plague in the 14th century."

Can you imagine ANYONE in the states saying that? I think Michael Irvin's head would explode.

[Philliesfan980]

I HATE FOX and their stupid "regional coverage decisions". Why am I, a guy in the Philadelphia Metro region stuck watching the Giants vs. the Titans. If I was in Middle - North Jersey, I could understand. Someone really needs to fix this next year. I should be watching the Bears lose to NE right now.

[Rizon]

If I was Jim Mora, I'd fire all the recievers and start over... actually I think he's incredibly close to doing so.

Do you keep the Coach Killer, though?

[Lorena]

Well, the pass was underthrown. But still, he absolutely should have caught it...

When I watch players reaching for a ball on their tippy toes close to the sideline to get a first down, plays like the one White missed is just inexcusable; they're down 8 points and the Saints had the momentum the entire game, they HAVE to make those catches.

[RedKingGold]

Do you keep the Coach Killer, though?

I think Roddy White was the biggest coach killer today

[SirFozzie]

One of these Days, Brady is going to just pull out a gun and shoot the receiver coming back after one of those fumble/INT's that go on his stats but are the Receiver's fault

[SirFozzie]

Sheesh, can anyone hold onto the ball in NE?

[ISiddiqui]

Do you keep the Coach Killer, though?

As mentioned before, the recievers are the Coach Killers (see Mora on his knees after the big drop of the day).

[SirFozzie]

Oh shit, that looks NASTY on Seau, if I had to guess, he just played his last game of the year

[FrogMan]

holy moly, anybody saw Seau's arm all limp from the forearm there?

FM

[terpkristin]

holy moly, anybody saw Seau's arm all limp from the forearm there?

FM

That was seriously ugly and painful-looking. I think I had sympathy pains for him.

/tk

[Rizon]

As mentioned before, the recievers are the Coach Killers (see Mora on his knees after the big drop of the day).

I don't want to see Mora on his knees, that's just creepy.

[molson]

Vinatieri hadn't made a kick that long since 2002.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, the pass was underthrown. But still, he absolutely should have caught it...

While Vick was hit right as he threw, it almost looked purposefuly underthrown, to get White some seperation with the DB. White was all alone with the DB at least 5 yards away... seemed to be a bit more deliberate than accidental.

[Buccaneer]

No need to panic...yet.

[SirFozzie]

ANOTHER tipball INT, What the Mashuggana?

[k0ruptr]

lol Vick needs to throw to lelie more.

[Coffee Warlord]

Do Grossman and Brady have a little side bet going on how many picks they can throw this game?

[SirFozzie]

Bullshit call.

[Coffee Warlord]

I don't have any problem with it. :)

[SirFozzie]

I don't have any problem with it. :)

That's ok, I KEEL YOU NOW! :D

Looking back, pass is on the INSIDE of him.. if you're gonna call that, you're gonna call that every deep ball.

[SirFozzie]

OH COME ON!

[SirFozzie]

The score is now Patriots 10, Refs 6, Bears 3

[Coffee Warlord]

Referees have decided that the Bears are going to score here. Period.

[terpkristin]

So the FOX commentators were praising the refs for getting it right during the first half, what has happened the 2nd half? That's 2 SERIOUSLY dubious calls that cost the Pats 7 points...

/tk

[airulf]

Two weak calls in favor of the Bears. Hmmm.

[Raiders Army]

That was a fumble! Two ref conferences and the Raiders might still have the ball.

[airulf]

Great catch by Watson. To bad the double reverse didn't work out on the next play.

[SirFozzie]

Great catch by Watson. To bad the double reverse didn't work out on the next play.

what's next, the statue of liberty play? The Fumblerooski?

[Coffee Warlord]

Shit on a shingle.

[SirFozzie]

Good drive for the Patsies, the highlight was #17 on the Top 100 things Foz never expected to see in his lifetime, "Tom Brady juking Brian Urlacher out of his jock strap on a scramble"

[airulf]

what's next, the statue of liberty play? The Fumblerooski?

Caldwell should have kept the ball, the right side of the field was wide open.

Not much luck with trick plays in this game, the Bears gained only two yards on a flea flicker in the first half.

[SirFozzie]

Ok... Give me a sniper rifle, some APDS ammo, and a clear shot at Manning for his next fake support of members of the public" commercial for Mastercard (or any other commercial, and I'll do the time happily.

[Fouts]

I love the halfback pass.

Good to see they got a clip of the Holy Roller in. :)

[airulf]

Wow, LT passed for his sixth career TD to force the tie in San Diego.

[SirFozzie]

Oof. Teddy got kicked in the head

[airulf]

Crap Bruschi is down. Not good if the Pats loose their second ILB of the game.

[k0ruptr]

LT career passing

7/10 127 yards 6 Td's lol

[SirFozzie]

The refs must want to get the flag out of their pocket to make room for the stack of bills :0

[molson]

I agree with Aikman that pass int. calls should be reviewable - it seems completely random on almost every play now.

[Fouts]

The refs must want to get the flag out of their pocket to make room for the stack of bills :0

LOL

[sabotai]

The Titans tie it at 21. I still can't beleive what Kiwanuka did. I've never seen anything like that.

[cartman]

TD Tennessee!!! Vince Young has led the Titans to three straight TDs to tie the game after being down 21-0 to the Giants.

[Fouts]

Why didn't Art Shell have the play reviewed instead of using his last timeout? If he was wrong, it would have had the same result.

[SirFozzie]

21-21 in the giants game?? what the hell...

[Fouts]

LT another TD. 21-14 Chargers.

[cartman]

I still can't beleive what Kiwanuka did. I've never seen anything like that.

That was weird. It looked like he just gave Vince a hug then turned his back to him.

[airulf]

DPI should be a 15 yard penalty like in college, not a spot foul. The refs are handing the game to the Bears right now.

The Titans just tied the game against the Giants. SD leads Oakland.

[SirFozzie]

LOL


yeah, it was pass interference, or at least callable, but that first one, and then the hold when they were going to settle for three the first time..

Sheesh

[sabotai]

And Manning throws a pick with 23 seconds left.

[Fouts]

Oakland and Aaron Brooks has 3:30 left to tie it. Should we be worried?

[cartman]

Eli throws an INT. Vince moves them down to the 30 for a game winning FG attempt coming up...

[Fouts]

QB overthrows receiver on long pass. Brooks sacked by 3 Chargers. Oakland doesn't get a snap off. Not looking good for the bad guys.

[sabotai]

And the Giants 4th quarter collapse is complete.

[cartman]

It's good!

24-21 Titans.

[Fouts]

4th and 14 at 2 minute warning. Big play coming up.

[SirFozzie]

thank ghu he stayed in bounds that time

[airulf]

WOW Titans upset the Giants.

[JeeberD]

Woot! Go Titans!

[cartman]

It appears that Lendale White told Vince Young on the sideline just now "I liked this comeback a lot better than your last one."

:D

[Fouts]

Brooks pass tipped into interception. Game over.

[SirFozzie]

Oh. My. God

[airulf]

Goddammit another fumble

[airulf]

Oh YESSSS

[JeeberD]

Grossman is KILLING my fantasy team... :mad:

[SirFozzie]

(Unless there's another fumble..)

ball game.

[airulf]

Great game by Samuel, his third INT today.

[SirFozzie]

I just said to CW via IM...

"I wasn't thinking Don't Catch it.. Don't catch it when that last Grossman pass was thrown.. I was thinking.. No Flag.. No Flag.."

[Coffee Warlord]

While Grossman deserves plenty of blame. Ron Turner, please cease calling 8,000 bombs per game. A few, good. Every drive, not good.

[Buccaneer]

That was cool. We caught both the Bolts and Pats INTs live. Not an easy thing to do since my son is nuts about the Football Night show and we were flipping between the three channels.

[st.cronin]

Where was that thread from earlier in the year where people were saying that the Bears would be dead without Grossman? hmmmmm

[CU Tiger]

If LT played in any decent football market, they would be having sculpt his bronze bust contests.

Its like the old SNL bit LT versus the Raidahs.
Can LT throw a pass?
Yes.
Tha LT.

MVP
And before anyoen asks, no....no mancrush

[DaddyTorgo]

I just said to CW via IM...

"I wasn't thinking Don't Catch it.. Don't catch it when that last Grossman pass was thrown.. I was thinking.. No Flag.. No Flag.."

yeah...i just got in from work in time for the 2nd half but the sheer number of PI calls blew my mind. Seriously questionable crap!

[sabotai]

That was weird. It looked like he just gave Vince a hug then turned his back to him.

I want to see someone try and put that into a text sim. :D

[Buccaneer]

From Prisco:

Michael Vick (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/235253) continued to show he's the best single-wing quarterback in the league, rushing for 166 yards against the Saints, second in league history behind the 177 he had in a game in 2002. It makes for wonderful highlight material, his zigzagging through a defense bringing a roar from the crowd every time he takes off, but it doesn't win games. Plus, it puts this high-price investment at risk far too much.

"He's going to be hurting bad Monday," said one Saints player.

So what does win? Look at the other team Sunday, where Drew Brees, (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/235197) a short quarterback with a not-so-great arm, threw for 349 yards and two touchdowns and no interceptions. It was the fifth consecutive 300-yard passing game for Brees, putting him on pace for the second-most passing yards in league history.

His passing has the Saints at 7-4 in the NFC South, one game ahead of the Carolina Panthers and two in front of the Falcons. The Saints continue to be one of this season's best stories.

"The quarterback is spectacular," Saints coach Sean Payton said after the game.

Funny thing is, he was talking about Vick. And he's right. He is spectacular to watch, his ability to escape pressure and turn a bad play into an amazing one. No one before him has ever done it like he does, but it's also a curse, since the legs are always an option.

Give me a quarterback like Brees who can read the field, make all the throws and check down to an open receiver when needed. In fairness to Vick, he did have passes dropped, including a couple of potential big plays, but he still is reluctant to wait in the pocket and make throws. He rarely checks down.

I think that's the difference. I love QBs who are not immobile but not those that are too eager to run without looking around. Having a QB that can escape being sacked or be able to gain good yards on a run is a good thing. But more times than not, I believe, one should look at the whole field for all possible receivers, even if you have to get out of the pocket to do so. McNair does this, so did McNabb, not to mention Elway and Steve Young.

There aren't very many who can do what Brady does and stay in the pocket and coolly gets off a pass while the pocket collapses. But for others, there are 3-5 potential receivers on every play and it's best to let them get the yards instead wearing the body out (and potentially causing fumbles or injuries) trying to do it all by yourself. Vick should have learned this by now.

ps. All receivers drop passes, like TO, but they will catch more than they drop.

[TazFTW]

Great footwork by Reggie Wayne.

[CU Tiger]

awesome toe tap by wayne

[Eaglesfan27]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to get very ugly? :(

[miami_fan]

Cool. I really need to go to bed early and it looks like the Colts are going to end this one by the the middle of the 2nd qtr.

[cuervo72]

Go ahead - this one was over last week.

[johnnyshaka]

Proud owner of Joseph Addai in a keeper league.

Embarrassed Eagles' fan.

[CU Tiger]

Dallas Clark is probably done...for th season...ouch!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Michael Vick continued to show he's the best single-wing quarterback in the league

I don't think this is the sort of "single wing" the author meant.

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/06/22/24/image_4924226.jpg
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2006/11/26/1127gesture.html

Vick makes obscene gesture at fans
Team says incident will be investigated

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/26/06

Falcons quarterback Michael Vick signaled an obscene gesture with his hand to the crowd near the tunnel leading to the locker room as he walked off the field following Atlanta's 31-13 loss to the New Orleans Saints Sunday at the Georgia Dome.

It is not known what triggered Vick's action. Vick was not immediately available for comment.

"We are aware of the incident," Reggie Roberts, the Falcons vice president of football communications, said. "We haven't spoken to Michael as of yet, but we plan to."

NFL vice president of public relations Greg Aiello said the incident had not been reviewed so there would be no comment from the league. Vick could face a fine from the NFL under the sportsmanship conduct rules.

For excessive use of profane language or obscene gestures, players are fined $5,000 for a first offense and $7,500 for a second offense. It is now known if Vick has any prior violations of sportsmanship policy.

[CU Tiger]

And he walks away!!!

[Rizon]

I don't think this is the sort of "single wing" the author meant.

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/06/22/24/image_4924226.jpg
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2006/11/26/1127gesture.html

Vick makes obscene gesture at fans
Team says incident will be investigated

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/26/06

Falcons quarterback Michael Vick signaled an obscene gesture with his hand to the crowd near the tunnel leading to the locker room as he walked off the field following Atlanta's 31-13 loss to the New Orleans Saints Sunday at the Georgia Dome.

It is not known what triggered Vick's action. Vick was not immediately available for comment.

"We are aware of the incident," Reggie Roberts, the Falcons vice president of football communications, said. "We haven't spoken to Michael as of yet, but we plan to."

NFL vice president of public relations Greg Aiello said the incident had not been reviewed so there would be no comment from the league. Vick could face a fine from the NFL under the sportsmanship conduct rules.

For excessive use of profane language or obscene gestures, players are fined $5,000 for a first offense and $7,500 for a second offense. It is now known if Vick has any prior violations of sportsmanship policy.

Did he talk about putting people upside down and putting forks in their asses?

[Greyroofoo]

Colts > Eagles

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... Addai had a Hell of a game... 171 yards and 4 TDs rushing. 37 yards recieving. Who needs Edge? ;)

[albionmoonlight]

I had not seen the Falcons play since their first game against the Saints.

What the heck is wrong with that team? Why do they suck so bad. It was not that the Saints won the game. The Falcons lost it.

Jim Mora seems like a likeable guy, and a pretty good coach. But he has totally lost control of this team. They had no discipline out there at all.

[Ksyrup]

Just an observation from a neutral NFL fan...

Seems pretty obvious that the NFL's attempt to keep QBs safe has given us tangible evidence that players now consciously stop playing for fear of drawing a flag. What that dude on the Giants did looked ridiculous, but since he grabbed a scrambling-with-his-arm-cocked QB with his head down, he had no idea whether the ball had been thrown or not and had to assume that it had been thrown, because had he continued to tackle Young and Young no longer had the ball, he almost certainly would have been flagged for unnecessary roughness. I've seen enough BS calls to know that he wouldn't have had to hit with his helmet, hit him late, or drive him into the ground. Young simply would have had to land on the ground and the guy would have gotten flagged.

You'd like to be in a better position to make the hit then with your head down, but the play was what it was, and he was so conscious of drawing a flag for simply completing a routine football play that he let go of the guy and cost his team the win (at least at that moment, since the game would have been all but over). I feel sorry for him that he's going to take all that flack, when all he was doing was playing by the rules of the New NFL.

[cartman]

I feel sorry for him that he's going to take all that flack, when all he was doing was playing by the rules of the New NFL.

So the rules of the new NFL include plays being over without a whistle being blown? If he thought he might get flagged for roughing if he took him to the ground, then he should have just kept him wrapped up until he heard a whistle. Even if he had thrown the ball, they wouldn't flag you for keeping him in the grasp.

[Ksyrup]

So the rules of the new NFL include plays being over without a whistle being blown? If he thought he might get flagged for roughing if he took him to the ground, then he should have just kept him wrapped up until he heard a whistle. Even if he had thrown the ball, they wouldn't flag you for keeping him in the grasp.

At some point you have to let go of him. You either tackle him and risk the penalty if he no longer has the ball, or you leave him upright. You wouldn't hear a whistle if the play was still going, regardless of whether he had the ball or not. And simply holding him up, if he had the ball, wouldn't have ended the play.

I just think he was in no-man's land and screwed either way, given the fact that he couldn't see whether Young had the ball or not. And his hesitance to finish the play as you would expect him to was directly attributable to the crappy way the NFL now makes officials protect QBs. I think they've gone overboard, and the Giants got screwed because of it.

[Desnudo]

I just said to CW via IM...

"I wasn't thinking Don't Catch it.. Don't catch it when that last Grossman pass was thrown.. I was thinking.. No Flag.. No Flag.."

While the refs certainly didn't do the Patriots any favors, if either team had held onto the ball, it wouldn't have been a close game. The most frustrating one was Caldwell's fumble after catching Watson's fumble. You could see it coming a mile away though.

[cartman]

At some point you have to let go of him. You either tackle him and risk the penalty if he no longer has the ball, or you leave him upright. You wouldn't hear a whistle if the play was still going, regardless of whether he had the ball or not. And simply holding him up, if he had the ball, wouldn't have ended the play.

I just think he was in no-man's land and screwed either way, given the fact that he couldn't see whether Young had the ball or not. And his hesitance to finish the play as you would expect him to was directly attributable to the crappy way the NFL now makes officials protect QBs. I think they've gone overboard, and the Giants got screwed because of it.

If he holds him to a "3 Mississippi count", then he would have been covering his bases. But he only held him for at most "1 Mississippi", and then turned his back to him when he let him go. If he wouldn't have turned his back, then he would have seen that Young still had the ball, and would have still been able to make a play.

[ISiddiqui]

I had not seen the Falcons play since their first game against the Saints.

What the heck is wrong with that team? Why do they suck so bad. It was not that the Saints won the game. The Falcons lost it.

Jim Mora seems like a likeable guy, and a pretty good coach. But he has totally lost control of this team. They had no discipline out there at all.

Part of it seems to be coaching (have they gone back to the system they had earlier this year, or is this the third offensive system they've tried this season so far), and the other part is the drops. This game there were 5 BIG drops, last game 7 drops, the game before? 7 drops. And a good deal of them are 3rd down passes or sure fire TD passes or both. That deflates the rest of the team.

[miami_fan]

Just an observation from a neutral NFL fan...

Seems pretty obvious that the NFL's attempt to keep QBs safe has given us tangible evidence that players now consciously stop playing for fear of drawing a flag. What that dude on the Giants did looked ridiculous, but since he grabbed a scrambling-with-his-arm-cocked QB with his head down, he had no idea whether the ball had been thrown or not and had to assume that it had been thrown, because had he continued to tackle Young and Young no longer had the ball, he almost certainly would have been flagged for unnecessary roughness. I've seen enough BS calls to know that he wouldn't have had to hit with his helmet, hit him late, or drive him into the ground. Young simply would have had to land on the ground and the guy would have gotten flagged.

You'd like to be in a better position to make the hit then with your head down, but the play was what it was, and he was so conscious of drawing a flag for simply completing a routine football play that he let go of the guy and cost his team the win (at least at that moment, since the game would have been all but over). I feel sorry for him that he's going to take all that flack, when all he was doing was playing by the rules of the New NFL.

There is an roughing the passer penalty for driving a QB into the ground in this guy's future.

[TazFTW]

Snowing in Seattle, the Seahawks are doomed...

[Rizon]

This is what football is all about right here.

[tucker rocky]

Looks like Packer weather.

[tucker rocky]

dola,

Did this weather come up all of a sudden?

About an hour and half ago, ESPN had some shots of a clear field.

But yes, the Seahawks could be be doomed.

[Buccaneer]

ps. All receivers drop passes, like TO, but they will catch more than they drop.

Adding more to this line of thought:


b. How many drops is Terrell Owens going to have before someone, anyone says he's having a lousy season? OK, I'll say it. His 61 catches and eight touchdowns might be nice for fantasy players, but in real life, he's having a C-minus season. Waaaaay too many drops.

f. Vick's words: "I can't explain how I feel. Somewhere along the line, guys have to start catching the ball.''




That's probably true but TO and the Cowboys are 7-4 despite the drops. Vick and the Falcons are 5-6. Somewhere along the line, you can't blame everything on the receivers.

[Dr. Sak]

Excuse the spelling but did anyone else see where Dallas dropped Mike Vanderjack and picked up Martin Gramatica?

[kingfc22]

Loving the snow!!!

Let's go Packers. This should be like a home game for you,

[Eaglesfan27]

Excuse the spelling but did anyone else see where Dallas dropped Mike Vanderjack and picked up Martin Gramatica?


Didn't see it, but heard it on ESPN Radio while driving home from work today.

[Greyroofoo]

Whats with the fascination with snow in football games anyways?

[Philliesfan980]

Jimmy Kimmel might be the unfunniest funny guy out there.

[tucker rocky]

Excuse the spelling but did anyone else see where Dallas dropped Mike Vanderjack and picked up Martin Gramatica?

Idiot kicker available.

[Rizon]

Hasslebleck should probably stop throwing the ball.

[kingfc22]

Back to back BS calls. I swear the NFL refs throw the flag just for the hell of it sometimes.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

I heart Donald Driver

[SunDevil]

Seattle should just cut TE Stevens now. They should not even wait for the game to end. He fucking sucks. Ever since the Superbowl, everytime I watch the Seahawks, the guy is dropping everything.

[kingfc22]

These refs are absolutely handing this game to Seattle. The NFL needs to do something about the "roughing the passer" call because as it is right now they should just give all QB's a red shirt and two flags to put on their belts.

[ISiddiqui]

WOW... Stevens caught it! :eek:

[Fonzie]

These refs are absolutely handing this game to Seattle. The NFL needs to do something about the "roughing the passer" call because as it is right now they should just give all QB's a red shirt and two flags to put on their belts.

That truly was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Terrible, potentially game-changing call.

[Fonzie]

Of course, that terrible call might not matter so much if the Packers fielded something resembling a run defense.

[Fonzie]

And Favre chucks a pick. Game over.

Still, I have to wonder how this one might've turned out if not for that terrible roughing the passer call.

[Crapshoot]

Brett Farve is a below average NFL QB today. Someone out to tell that to Brett Farve.

[Kodos]

Brett Farve is a below average NFL QB today. Someone out to tell that to Brett Farve.


Crapshoot is a below average FOFC speller. Someone ought to tell that to Crapshoot.

[Crapshoot]

Crapshoot is a below average FOFC speller. Someone ought to tell that to Crapshoot.

Point, Kodos. :D

[miami_fan]

These refs are absolutely handing this game to Seattle. The NFL needs to do something about the "roughing the passer" call because as it is right now they should just give all QB's a red shirt and two flags to put on their belts.

Mr. Kiwanuka you are off the hook.