Breaking news!: Another Bengal Arrested - Cedric Benson come on down

[DeToxRox]

Not as if this is shocking...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2685643

HOUSTON -- Cincinnati Bengals rookie wide receiver Reggie McNeal was arrested in Houston and charged with resisting arrest after being refused entrance to a nightclub early Sunday.

McNeal, a former Texas A&M quarterback, was arrested outside The Red Door, said Houston police spokesman Gabe Ortiz on Monday.

Ortiz said McNeal approached two officers who were standing near the entrance and became unruly when the officers told him the club was closing. McNeal "became aggressive and started using profanity" when the officers refused to let him enter, Ortiz said.

McNeal walked away, then approached the officers again and elbowed one of them in the chest. Officers detected "a strong odor of alcohol" from McNeal, police said.

McNeal was taken to jail, then released on a $1,000 bond. He was due in Harris County district court on Friday.

McNeal set an A&M record with 6,992 passing yards and rushed for 1,889 yards, the second-most by an Aggie quarterback. The Lufkin, Texas, native set a Big 12 record with 213 consecutive passes without an interception.

McNeal was the Bengals' sixth-round pick and has played sparingly. The Bengals had the weekend off after their Thursday night victory over Baltimore.

"We have been informed that Reggie has been arrested," team spokesman Jack Brennan said. "We don't feel it's appropriate to comment on a matter that's not resolved."

McNeal is the seventh Bengals player arrested this year.



Player Pos. Transgression(s)
Reggie McNeal WR Resisting arrest
Matthias Askew DT Resisting arrest
Eric Steinbach G Boating under the influence
Chris Henry WR x-Total of five
Frostee Rucker DE Spousal battery
A.J. Nicholson LB Burglary, grand theft
Odell Thurman LB League substance abuse policy violation
x-unlawful transaction with a minor (three counts), speeding, operating a vehicle under the influence, felony possession of a concealed firearm, possession of marijuana

[Pumpy Tudors]

Well, Bengals getting arrested is no longer news. They might as well just put the stories in with something daily like the horoscopes or Beetle Bailey.

gg bengals

[DeToxRox]

In other news CourtTV is in talks with the Bengals organization about doing a series of Scared Straight videos inside the Bengals lockerroom.

[Kodos]

They're like the Cowboys of the 90s without the talent.

[duckman]

They're like the Cowboys of the 90s without the talent.

Even as a Cowboys fan, I laughed out loud at that! :D

[Atocep]

What kind of nightclub doesn't let 6th round picks that have only played in 2 games in without any questions?

[rkmsuf]

What kind of nightclub doesn't let 6th round picks that have only played in 2 games in without any questions?

ones that are closed?

[Atocep]

ones that are closed?


But that's Reggie F'ing McNeal.

[rkmsuf]

But that's Reggie F'ing McNeal.

true. guy can lift 100 lbs right over his head.

[stevew]

I knew it was just a matter of time for McNeal when he was hanging around Henry and Thurman. He was a passenger in one of the Henry car incidents.

[st.cronin]

NOW can Bengals fans relax?

[Karlifornia]

When you get arrested for "Resisting arrest" it sounds like you just didn't do a good enough job resisting.

[Greyroofoo]

Did anyone not see this coming?

Another Bengal Arrested (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6254742)

[k0ruptr]

Hmm.. maybe we should just sticky this.

[Ksyrup]

Hmm.. maybe we should just sticky this.

Yup.




Bengals CB Joseph arrested for marijuana possession

JOE KAY

Associated Press

<!-- begin body-content -->CINCINNATI - Bengals cornerback and former South Carolina standout Johnathan Joseph was arrested early Monday and charged with possession of marijuana, the ninth Cincinnati player arrested in the last nine months.

The arrest came three weeks after coach Marvin Lewis promised to get tougher on player misconduct, hoping to stop a series of arrests that has embarrassed the team and drawn the attention of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Joseph was arrested on U.S. Route 42 in northern Kentucky. He lives nearby in Union, Ky. The Boone Country sheriff's office arrest report said Joseph was the passenger in a vehicle driven by a woman who had a suspended license, was driving slowly and weaving.

When a Boone County sheriff's deputy asked Joseph to get out of the vehicle, he smelled marijuana. The deputy searched Joseph's black backpack with a Super Bowl logo and found a bag of marijuana in a pouch, the arrest report said.

Joseph was released Monday morning, and his first court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 5. Marijuana possession is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum of one year in jail and a maximum $500 fine.

Joseph left the Gamecocks after his junior season.

He was the Bengals first-round draft pick last season and had positioned himself to take over a starting job next season.
<!-- end body-content -->

[wade moore]

Wow..

I don't think I even find it amusing anymore.

[albionmoonlight]

They get until the Super Bowl to reach 10 arrests, right?

They should not be penalized in their pursuit of double digit arrests in one-season just because they weren't good enough to make the playoffs.

[Kodos]

Coach Lewis runs a tight ship, alright...

He must ignore the red flags. Maybe he's colorblind!

[albionmoonlight]

Wow..

I don't think I even find it amusing anymore.

Clearly, I do ;)

[rkmsuf]

Vick to the Bengals!

[Eaglesfan27]

Coach Lewis runs a tight ship, alright...

He must ignore the red flags. Maybe he's colorblind!


To be fair, I don't think he gets to be the primary person when shopping for the groceries.

[wade moore]

Clearly, I do ;)

I've thought about it.

I do too.

[Subby]

This will be an interesting case for the whole new "get tough" policy since Joseph was their first rounder last year and was supposed to start next season.

[Kodos]

Michael Devlin to the Bengals!

[Kodos]

To be fair, I don't think he gets to be the primary person when shopping for the groceries.


He doesn't pick his Parcels? :)

[rkmsuf]

Anyone with cornrows to the Bengals!

[Ksyrup]

Vick to the Bengals!

Sources indicate the Raiders are going to make a run at Joseph.

[stevew]

This will be an interesting case for the whole new "get tough" policy since Joseph was their first rounder last year and was supposed to start next season.

Cmon, "8 strikes and yer out" is already a pretty stifling policy, I'd hate to see what happens if they move to 7 or 6 strikes....they might have to cut someone.

[Butter]

They need to have a "how to smoke weed and drink from the comfort of your own home" orientation for these nitwits or something.

[PackerFanatic]

They need to have a "how to smoke weed and drink from the comfort of your own home" orientation for these nitwits or something.

Quoted for truth.

[Ksyrup]

Putting odds on the next Bengal to be arrested >>> Putting odds on the date Griffey Jr. is placed on IR

[SunDevil]

I think this thread needs a sticky. I mean with the Super Bowl in less than two weeks in Miami, they just might need a paddy wagon for the Bengals team. :D

[Abe Sargent]

With all due respect to Marvin Lewis, sometimes he coaches like Bam Morris

[sterlingice]

They need to have a "how to smoke weed and drink from the comfort of your own home" orientation for these nitwits or something.

NFL 101 :)

SI

[Coffee Warlord]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/02/02/johnson.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Ocho Cinco!

[panerd]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/02/02/johnson.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Ocho Cinco!

"Police have characterized this as a routine procedure and have stressed that Chad is not a suspect or even a person of interest in this case."


My buddies like to razz me about being a Bengal fan and always talk about how out of control it is. While I make no excuses for Chris Henry I wonder what their problems are with a lot of the other guys. Two of my buddies have DWI's and have not been fired from work. Another does recreational drugs and just hasn't been caught. Why should they be fired from their job for off field things that we don't get fired from in ours?

Reminds me of this e-mail that I have gotten several times (Never really investigated so it could be snoped, but it seems to be legit and not really that shocking)

NBA OR NFL?


36
have been accused of spousal abuse



7
have been arrested for fraud



19
have been accused of writing bad checks





1 17
have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses




3
have done time for assault



71,
repeat
71 cannot
get a credit card due to bad credit



14
have been arrested on drug-related charges




8
have been arrested for shoplifting




21 !
currently are defendants in lawsuits, and






84
have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year




Can you guess which organization this is?






Give up yet? . . . Scroll down,














Neither, it's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

[Butter]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/02/02/johnson.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Ocho Cinco!

He didn't kill no motherfuckin' lion...

[stevew]

He didn't kill no motherfuckin' lion...

Yeah, at least no members of the Bengals have been involved peripherally in a murder, or set up large scale drug deals. Their stuff has mainly been pretty stupid, but basically harmless compared to the Ratbirds.

[RedKingGold]

Dey won't stop til we can call dem "da dirrty dozen"

[RendeR]

Dey won't stop til we can call dem "da dirrty dozen"


They don't get dirty, they play on field turf.

[CleBrownsfan]

1. What do you call a drug ring in Cincinnati?>>A huddle.

2. Four Cincinnati Bengals in a car, who's driving?>>The
police.
3. Why can't Chris Henry get into a huddle on the field
anymore?>> It is a parole violation for him to as sociate with
known felons.

4. The Cincinnati newspapers reported yesterday that Paul
Brown Stadium is going to take out the artificial
turf>>because the Bengals "play better on gras s."

5. Coach Marvin Lewis has adopted a new "Honor System" for his
players>>"Yes, your Honor, No your Honor".

6. The Bengals had a 9 and 6 season this year:>>9 arrests
(literally), 6 convictions.
7. The Bengals knew they had to do something for their
defense, but they couldn't get the defensive coordinator they
really wanted:>>Johnny Cochran

8. How do the Bengals spend their first week at mini-camp?>>
Studying the Miranda Rights.

[Ksyrup]

Frickin' idiot!!!



Friday, May 18, 2007
Bengals' Nicholson arrested on domestic violence charge


<HR width="100%" noShade SIZE=1>Associated Press

CINCINNATI -- Linebacker A.J. Nicholson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7906) was arrested on a domestic violence charge Friday, the first arrest of a Cincinnati Bengals' player since commissioner Roger Goodell cracked down on misconduct last month.

Nicholson already was one of nine Bengals players arrested during a nine-month span, turning the team into a prime example of player misconduct. The team had gone four months without having a player arrested.

Police in nearby Taylor Mill, Ky., arrested Nicholson after a woman called 911 on Friday afternoon to say she had been assaulted by the second-year player. He was charged with fourth-degree assault, a misdemeanor.

Goodell introduced a new conduct policy last month that stiffens penalties and holds franchises responsible when their players get into trouble.

Nicholson, a fifth-round draft pick from Florida State in 2006, appeared in only two games last season, when he had a hamstring injury.

Last March, Nicholson pleaded no contest to burglary and grand theft in Tallahassee, Fla., and was sentenced to two months in a work program. He had been charged with stealing electronic equipment and other items from the apartment of a former Florida State teammate.

Nicholson was also placed on two years' probation, which could be jeopardized by his latest arrest.

Taylor Mill police chief Steve Knauf said a woman called police to Nicholson's apartment at 3:10 p.m. on Friday, saying she had been hit in the face. The officer who responded saw that the woman had an injury by her eye.

Nicholson wasn't at the apartment, but later showed up at the police station and was arrested, Knauf said. He faces up to 12 months in jail and a $500 fine if convicted.

Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan said the team had no immediate comment because it was still gathering information on the arrest.

The Bengals lead the league in off-the-field player problems.

Receiver Chris Henry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7259) and middle linebacker Odell Thurman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7224) currently are suspended by the league for misconduct. Henry has been arrested four times since December 2005, and will miss the first eight games next season under a suspension imposed by Goodell last month.

Thurman was suspended for all of last season after skipping a drug test and getting arrested for drunken driving. Last February, he pleaded no contest to drunken driving and received a 90-day jail sentence that was put on hold while he got treated for alcohol abuse.

Thurman's sentence could be reduced at a hearing in June if he stays out of trouble and completes the treatment program. Also, he could apply to the league for reinstatement for next season.

Six of the Bengals' picks from the 2005-06 drafts have been arrested, including Nicholson. The linebacker already had disciplinary issues when the Bengals took a chance on him.

Nicholson was suspended for Florida State's appearance in the 2006 Orange Bowl after he violated team policy by taking a woman to the team's hotel in Miami.

A month after the Bengals drafted him, he faced the criminal charges in Florida. He and another Florida State player, Fred Rouse, were accused of breaking into the apartment of former teammate Lorenzo Booker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8325) and stealing items.

[Buccaneer]

The team had gone four months without having a player arrested.

May we all aspire to such greatness.

[Julio Riddols]

He won't be making the team.

[ISiddiqui]

I can just see Marvin Lewis sighing as he goes to the big board saying "___ days since last player arrested" and erasing it and putting 0 up there ;).

[Wolfpack]

The team had gone four months without having a player arrested. May we all aspire to such greatness.

Maybe they should put up a sign that says "X days since last arrest" in the locker room, sort of like those days of safety signs in industrial plants. Naturally, they'd have to start it at zero again....

[Buccaneer]

There you go.

[PilotMan]

The Bengals lead the league in off-the-field player problems.


So is this an official league stat now?

and

Can they repeat?

Over/under for '07?

[stevew]

Steelers LBers pimp hoes(underage?). Bengals LBers slap hoes.

Nicholson was a class act anyways, this is probably the least suprising news ever.

[kingfc22]

This is amazing how one team has so many guys get into trouble with the law.

[Lathum]

Local news is reporting Chris Henry just failed a drug test which violates his probation.

Authorities say they are now going to push for Henry to have to serve the 88 days jail time he was given probation for.

[Ksyrup]

If there was a fantasy league for criminal athletes, it would be hard to draft the superstar team that the Bengals have compiled seemingly without trying.

We're in the midst of something special, people. This is Tiger Woods "once in a lifetime" stuff!

[miami_fan]

Local news is reporting Chris Henry just failed a drug test which violates his probation.

Authorities say they are now going to push for Henry to have to serve the 88 days jail time he was given probation for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2877555

Suspended Bengals receiver Chris Henry failed a court-ordered drug test and will have to serve 88 days in jail.

Kenton County (Kentucky) Attorney Garry Edmondson said that Henry tested positive for opiates and he will be forced to serve jail time.

Henry's failed drug test was first reported by WKRC-TV in Cincinnati.

Henry is on probation in Florida. It's unclear whether the reported drug test results will force him to serve jail time there.

The Bengals told ESPN's Bob Holtzman that they expect to release a statement regarding Henry later Monday.

Henry, who has been arrested four times since December 2005, has been suspended for the first eight games of next season for violating the NFL's conduct policies. He spent two days in jail last January after pleading guilty to letting minors drink alcohol in a hotel room he had rented.

Henry received traffic tickets on March 25 for driving with a suspended license, failing to use his turn signal and a seat belt violation. He was allowed to go into a license intervention program to settle the charges.

Henry is permitted to work out at the Bengals' facilities in the offseason and participate in training camp, including preseason games. He won't be allowed to practice with the team when the regular season begins. He will be reinstated after the eighth game if he stays out of trouble.

"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote Henry when he suspended him. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."

[Atocep]

Didn't see this happening....

The woman who claimed Bengals linebacker A.J. Nicholson assaulted her told reporters at his arraignment Monday that Nicholson never hit her.


"I'm embarrassed to tell you that I was extremely emotional when I contacted police and that caused me to exaggerate what had taken place between A.J. and myself," Victoria Johnson said, according to WLWT-TV in Cincinnati.
Johnson said she was trying to grab a cell phone away from Nicholson and accidently struck herself below her eye.

[st.cronin]

Just heard on the radio that the reported Henry failed drug test didn't actually happen.

[Tigercat]

Ah, so since Marvin Lewis can't seem to stop the arrests, he decided to just go Godfather on people post incidents.

She probably has big eyes, the kind that are hard to not accidentally hit.

[sabotai]

"I'm embarrassed to tell you that I was extremely emotional when I contacted police and that caused me to exaggerate what had taken place between A.J. and myself,"


This makes me thing of: HE GOT WEED! HE GOT WEED!

[Atocep]

Nicholson was released. Nice to see they get tough with a backup linebacker.

[Ksyrup]

Now that he's been released over this, she better be extra careful not to hit herself again tonight.

[Julio Riddols]

Just heard on the radio that the reported Henry failed drug test didn't actually happen.

Yeah, NFL Live just reported the same, the tests apparently came back negative and the prosecutor involved seems to have jumped the gun. For all the stupidity and ignorance of the players involved in a lot of these cases, I wonder if sometimes things are blown way out of proportion by the others involved with the same situations.

It almost seems like its gone from being something unfortunate that happens to being a witch hunt.

[stevew]

Odell Thurman Accused Of Assault
Posted By: Brian Duerring

Reported by: 9 News Reporter Deb Haas

Former Bengal Odell Thurman is being accused of assault in the state of Georgia.

The magistrate's office in Jasper County, Georgia confirms to 9 News that a couple of men filed complaints against Thurman and his brother following a weekend party.

The accusers told police Thurman and his brother punched them at a party during an argument and later returned with guns drawn.

No one was shot but the accusers claim they were assaulted.

They did not call police until the following morning. A judge will hold what's called a pre-warrant hearing on Friday to determine whether an arrest warrant should be issued for Thurman and his brother.

Thurman was suspended last season for violating the league's substance abuse policy, following a drunk driving arrest.

He could apply for reinstatement into the NFL this summer.

A Bengals spokesperson says since he is no longer on their roster they have no comment on the incident.

[Atocep]

I'd say this thread should just be stickied but its not like it has to go more than a couple days without getting bumped.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Odell Thurman Accused Of Assault
Posted By: Brian Duerring

Reported by: 9 News Reporter Deb Haas

Former Bengal Odell Thurman is being accused of assault in the state of Georgia.

The magistrate's office in Jasper County, Georgia confirms to 9 News that a couple of men filed complaints against Thurman and his brother following a weekend party.

The accusers told police Thurman and his brother punched them at a party during an argument and later returned with guns drawn.

No one was shot but the accusers claim they were assaulted.

They did not call police until the following morning. A judge will hold what's called a pre-warrant hearing on Friday to determine whether an arrest warrant should be issued for Thurman and his brother.


For those that aren't quite sure, the answer is "yes, that's where Odell is from and where JiMGA lived until last August".

And, for those who've been keeping score, how many times have I said that the only chance for Odell to stay out of trouble was to stay the hell away from his hometown? Other than seeing his first child, there's not one other good thing about his going back there, too easy for him to get into trouble there.

[miami_fan]

Making an effort for fair and balanced coverage.:)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/06/08/bc.fbn.bengals.thurman.ap/index.html

MONTICELLO, Ga. (AP) -- Two Georgia men who accused suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman of kicking and hitting them at a party have abruptly dropped their complaint, a court official said Friday.

Chrissy Pitts, deputy clerk of the Jasper County, Ga., Magistrate Court, said papers seeking to dismiss the case were being filed by the complainants. She said she did not know what prompted their decision not to move forward with their accusations.

"It was settled," Pitts said. "We aren't aware of any terms that were involved in the settlement. That was between the attorneys and the parties. They just filed the dismissal with us."

A hearing on the accusations against Thurman had been set for Friday, but was canceled because of the dismissal of the case.

Thurman had not been charged with a crime, but a magistrate had been expected to hear testimony to determine if charges should be filed.

The NFL suspended Thurman for the first four games of 2006 after he skipped a drug test. The suspension was extended to a full season following his arrest on a drunken driving charge in September. Thurman is one of nine Cincinnati players to be arrested in the past year.

Two men filed a complaint Sunday with police in Monticello, 60 miles southeast of Atlanta, accusing Thurman of assaulting them early Sunday following an argument at a home. The men accused Thurman's brother, Willie Thurman, of threatening them with a gun.

Odell Thurman, a Monticello native, played two seasons at Georgia and was drafted by Cincinnati in the second round of the 2005 draft. He led the Bengals in tackles that season with 148.

Thurman can apply for reinstatement for this coming season, although earlier this year coach Marvin Lewis refused to talk about whether Thurman still figured in the team's plans.

[Ksyrup]

"She said she did not know what prompted their decision not to move forward with their accusations."


I'll give you one greenish guess.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'll give you one greenish guess.

Actually, I'd wager that the color red (as in blood) could have had as much to do with this as the color green.

That possibility after someone more familiar with some of the peripheral parties to the situation suggested to me that the odds were about even on charges being filed versus the alleged victims being rendered unable to testify were about even.

Of course, that's just speculation, but I should make it clear that the concerns for their safety were not related to any suspicion of Odell, but rather of those who associate (or might try to ingratiate) themselves with him.

FWIW.

[SunDevil]

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=333af96c-8c24-4d44-9ed4-0c676af92d8d

Bengals' wide-receiver Chris Henry is accused of breaking the law again.

9News has learned that Florence police interviewed Henry, along with Bengal Reggie McNeal on Tuesday.

The two football pros may have been involved in assaulting a 16-year-old boy.

The family of the victim shared their story exclusively with 9News Tuesday night.

They talked off-camera because they say they're not ready to publicly show their faces.

But they are angry, alleging that Bengals players Chris Henry, along with a few others, beat the 16-year-old so severely that he had to be treated at the hospital for his injuries.

"It's very obvious," said Captain Linny Cloyd, of the Florence police department. "I've seen the young man. There's no doubt he was assaulted. At this point we're still trying to figure out who is who – where they were."

Police say the 16-year-old and an 18-year-old friend were walking along Wetherington Boulevard near Mt. Zion Road just after 11 p.m. Friday night when, they say a black Navigator or Escalade pulled up next to them.

According to the police report, a white male jumped out and started punching the 16-year-old in the face.

"From that, the victim tells us another gentleman got out of the vehicle the same vehicle and in their attempt to get away, was shoved to the ground by this African American gentleman," said Cloyd.

The teen identified that man as Bengals receiver Chris Henry, and says receiver Reggie McNeill was also in the vehicle.

The teen also alleges that they were throwing beer bottles at him as he tried to run away.

"Go away, we don't want to talk to you."

9News tried to talk to Chris Henry Tuesday night, but no one at his house wanted to talk to us.

Henry lives just a few blocks away from where police say the assault happened.

The victim's family tells 9News that the teen knows Henry and knows his vehicle because he lives in the neighborhood and was friends with Henry's younger brother.

Police questioned Henry Tuesday afternoon and are taking this allegation very seriously.

"We have been in contact with Mr. Henry and Mr. McNeal as to their whereabouts," said Capt. Cloyd. "They deny being in the area, or knowing this gentleman."

Police say they are still following leads and their investigation is on-going.

As for Chris Henry, he's been arrested four times in the past year-and-a-half for marijuana and gun charges, drunk driving and providing alcohol to female minors.

His run-ins with the law got him an eight-game, unpaid suspension this upcoming season.

If these allegation are true, this could spell the end of Chris Henry's career.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has said that Henry would be banished for life if there were any more mis-steps.

[SunDevil]

http://deadspin.com/sports/chris-henry-tears-those-tags-off-mattresses/chris-henry-is-just-making-up-offenses-now-268404.php

Chris Henry Is Just Making Up Offenses Now

chrishenryagain.jpgOK. Are you sitting down? We feel like you should be sitting down. It's probably for the best if you're sitting down. Take a deep breath. Have a brandy. You ready? Cool. Here goes.

We're not sure how to say this, so we're just gonna come right out with it: Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry is in trouble again. Fortunately, this one's no big deal: Just the random, unsolicited beating of a 16-year-old boy.

Police say the 16-year-old and an 18-year-old friend were walking along Wetherington Boulevard near Mt. Zion Road just after 11 p.m. Friday night when, they say a black Navigator or Escalade pulled up next to them. According to the police report, a white male jumped out and started punching the 16-year-old in the face. "From that, the victim tells us another gentleman got out of the vehicle the same vehicle and in their attempt to get away, was shoved to the ground by this African American gentleman."

The teen identified that man as Bengals receiver Chris Henry, and says receiver Reggie McNeill was also in the vehicle. The teen also alleges that they were throwing beer bottles at him as he tried to run away. "Go away, we don't want to talk to you."

Henry, of course, is already serving an eight-game suspension for, you know, his other four arrests. We're not sure where "throwing beer bottles at a minor" falls on NFL commissioner Roger Goodell offense chart ... but it has to be around the "depantsing nuns" level. We wouldn't hold your breath to see Chris Henry playing football again anytime soon.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You wonder how people can be this damn stupid.

[Fidatelo]

You wonder how people can be this damn stupid.

No kidding! Walking around after dark within a 100 mile radius of a Cininatti Bengal is just asking for trouble.

[st.cronin]

That story is more than a bit fishy.

[flounder]

That story is more than a bit fishy.

No kidding. Someone recognized Reggie McNeill?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That story is more than a bit fishy.

It's Chris Henry. Nothing should see fishy.

[Passacaglia]

You gotta figure that whenever a crime happens in Cincinnati, they just assume it's Chris Henry.

[Lathum]

Someone stole my lawn gnome.

I think it was Chris Henry

[RendeR]

I'm sorry, who is trying to get money out of what NFL player now?

[stevew]

I'm sorry, who is trying to get money out of what NFL player now?
Yeah, this one sounds way too fishy to be real. Even considering who was involved.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/06/18/0619wilson.html

Former Falcons draftee arrested
Quincy Wilson is 10th Bengal arrested in 14 months

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published on: 06/18/07

Huntington, W.Va. — Running back Quincy Wilson, a former Atlanta Falcons draft choice, was charged with disorderly conduct for failing to disperse after a weekend wedding party, making him the 10th Cincinnati Bengals player arrested in the past 14 months.

The former West Virginia star was with a wedding party celebrating outside a downtown bar around 3 a.m. Sunday when he and 13 others refused a police request to leave, assistant prosecuting attorney Lora Maynard said Monday.

Some were charged with disorderly conduct, others with obstructing justice and underage drinking, police Lt. Hank Dial said.

The running back was booked at a jail and released Sunday afternoon. He is scheduled to appear in Huntington Municipal Court on July 19.

Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan said it was inappropriate for the team to comment on Wilson's arrest because the matter is unresolved.

Dial said police wanted to disperse the crowd because some shots had been fired about 30 minutes earlier a block from the bar. None of those arrested with Wilson were thought to be connected to the shooting, Dial said.

Wilson is the 10th Bengals player arrested in the past 14 months, a streak of misconduct that drew the attention of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, resulted in three suspensions and made Cincinnati an example of players gone bad.

Wilson is the third former West Virginia player in the NFL to get into trouble in recent years. Wilson was the Mountaineers' leading rusher his final season.

Atlanta drafted the running back in the seventh round in 2004. The Bengals signed him off the Falcons' practice squad later that year, and he spent the next year on Cincinnati's practice squad.

Wilson got into three games last season, carrying two times for 2 yards in an Oct. 1 loss to New England. He was waived on Oct. 19 and signed back onto the practice squad.

Wilson, who lives in Weirton, was a teammate of receiver Chris Henry, a Bengals player who has been arrested four times. Goodell suspended Henry for two games last season for misconduct, and has suspended him for the first eight games of the 2007 season for his most recent convictions.

Another former West Virginia player, Titans cornerback Pacman Jones, has been suspended for the entire 2007 season. Jones was being sought by police as a witness in a shooting early Monday involving members of his entourage after a fight at an Atlanta strip club.

Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman was suspended last season for violating the league's substance abuse policy. He has yet to be reinstated.

Last month, linebacker A.J. Nicholson was arrested on a domestic violence charge in northern Kentucky, across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. The Bengals released him three days later.

[DeToxRox]

<3 Bengals

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2949872

Middle linebacker Odell Thurman has been denied reinstatement by the NFL and the Cincinnati Bengals' one-time starter will have his suspension continued at least through the 2007 campaign.

That means Thurman will miss a second straight season, putting his career in jeopardy.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who met recently with Thurman, made the decision. The Bengals, who anticipated that Thurman would be cleared to return, made the announcement of Goodell's ruling on Thursday morning in a news release.

Thurman will be able to apply again for reinstatement after this season.

One of Thurman's representatives, Saf Lawson, had said repeatedly that his client was in compliance with the conditions of his one-year suspension, and that he expected to be back with the Bengals. Neither Thurman nor Lawson could be reached on Thursday morning for comment.

Thurman filed his reinstatement paperwork nearly a month ago, so that it would be in the NFL offices well in advance of July 12, which marked the one-year mark of his suspension.

Thurman, a Bengals' starter in 2005 when he led them in tackles as a rookie, was initially suspended for four games when he missed a scheduled drug screening. The sanction was subsequently increased to a year after Thurman was arrested on DUI charges Sept. 25.

Earlier this spring, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis indicated that Thurman would be welcomed back to the team, and would be able compete for a roster spot in training camp, if the league reinstated him.

"I have been in contact with Odell and he has an opportunity to be reinstated," Lewis said in mid-May, while appearing on a local radio show. "He will have had to ... (follow) the very strict NFL guidelines to get to that point and then, obviously, if reinstated, to go forward. And if that happens, he'll have an opportunity (to return)."

Lewis later backed away from that sentiment a bit and has not discussed Thurman's status in detail since then.

Last month, two men in Thurman's hometown of Monticello, Ga., filed complaints against Thurman, alleging that he hit and kicked them at a party. On the day the complaints were to be heard by a local magistrate, they were withdrawn. It is not known how that incident might have affected Goodell's decision to deny reinstatement.

Despite missing much of his rookie training camp because of a protracted contract impasse, the 24-year-old Thurman appeared in 15 games in 2005, all as a starter, and registered 148 tackles, one sack, five interceptions, nine passes defensed and four forced fumbles. The former University of Georgia star, a second-round draft pick in 2005, was a candidate for defensive rookie of the year honors.

[Logan]

I think we should have a "Bengal Discipline" thread that this sort of thing could go in...I get way too excited when I see "another Bengal arrested" bumped.

[Bearcat729]

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6199

Thurman turns to U.S.
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 16, 2007
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Posted: 7:35 p.m.

With no word from the NFL or the NFL Players Association, the attorney for Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman has filed a claim of disability discrimination against the NFL. John Michels said Thursday that he has notified the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that he feels his client is being discriminated against because he is perceived as an alcoholic.

Michels said it doesn't matter that Thurman acknowledged in court that he is an alcoholic when he appeared for a DUI stemming from a Sept. 25, 2006 traffic stop. He indicated that Thurman has passed all required programs stipulated by the league.

"He has not had an alcoholic problem since the incident last fall," Michels said.

The NFLPA has not yet responded to Thurman's request to appeal to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's July 26 decision to extend Thurman's year-long suspension for another year. Michels said if the EEOC finds for Thurman, the commission can offer such remedies as reinstatement and back pay.

Michels cited a recent precedent. The EEOC ruled in favor of Roy Tarpley, the former Dalllas Mavericks forward banned in 1995 for violating the league's substance abuse policy. The commission said the NBA violated the Americans with Disabilities Act when it didn't reinstate Tarpley even though he had passed all drug tests taken in the last four years.

Michels said the Bengals are named in the claim only because they are Thurman's direct employers. He said the claim was not a Bengals decision and that the commission is aware that the suspension came from the NFL and not the club.

[Atocep]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3099320

CINCINNATI -- Receiver Chris Henry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7259) was allegedly involved in an altercation with a parking attendant on the eve of rejoining the Cincinnati Bengals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cin) from his eight-game suspension.


Henry practiced with the Bengals on Wednesday and will be eligible to play Sunday in Baltimore. Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended him for the first half of the season for repeatedly violating the NFL's conduct policy.


The third-year receiver stayed out of trouble during the suspension and was allowed to practice with the team for the last two weeks. He sat out a 33-21 loss in Buffalo on Sunday that dropped his last-place team to 2-6.


On Tuesday night, police in Newport, Ky., a suburb on the other side of the Ohio River within view of Paul Brown Stadium, were called to an entertainment district following a dispute over a parking fee.


A parking attendant told police that Henry and another man parked their sport utility vehicle without paying. According to an incident report, the attendant said Henry argued loudly with him and said, "Don't you know who I am?"


The attendant told police that Henry threw a $5 bill on the ground, but it was returned to him and police were called.


No charges have been filed. Police told 35-year-old Jason Baker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5745) of Bellevue, Ky., that he could file a complaint with prosecutors if he wanted to pursue the matter. Baker didn't return a phone message on Wednesday.


The Bengals were aware of the report but had no comment, noting that no charges had been filed.


"Don't you know who I am?"

Classic.

[PilotMan]

Lee Corso pulled the same crap to people in line a bank that the Mrs. was working at when they wouldn't let him cut in line.

[GreenMonster]

Lee Corso pulled the same crap to people in line a bank that the Mrs. was working at when they wouldn't let him cut in line.

I hope I am there when something like this happens so I can laugh at said "star". Man I would have had a ton of fun with Corso in a bank line.

[Ksyrup]

Bengals WR surrenders to police after hitting man, 18

Posted: Thursday April 3, 2008 12:27AM; Updated: Thursday April 3, 2008 10:20AM
<TABLE style="CLEAR: both" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=10>http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif</TD><TD width="100%">[/URL]
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE style="CLEAR: both" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=10>http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif</TD><TD class=cnnimgadpad></TD></TR><TR><TD width=10>http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif</TD><TD class=cnnstoryclpad></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>CINCINNATI (AP) -- Bengals wide receiver [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8304"]Chris Henry (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/bengals) is in trouble again, accused by an 18-year-old man who told police that Henry hit him in the face and broke his car window with a beer bottle.

Henry, 24, was charged with misdemeanor assault and criminal damaging in the Monday incident in Cincinnati. A warrant for his arrest was issued Wednesday, and Henry surrendered, a police spokesman said.

Henry was being held in the Hamilton County jail pending a court appearance Thursday.

Henry has had a string of problems with police. He most recently was in court last week after being ticketed for driving with expired Kentucky license plates. He paid $149 in fines and court costs, according to the Hamilton County Municipal Court records.

Henry, arrested four times during a 14-month span, was suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for the first half of last season for repeatedly violating the league's conduct policy.

Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan said the team is aware of the charges but declined comment.

The player's agent, Marvin Frazier, said Henry gave him a different version of events but declined to elaborate.

"I was told it didn't happen that way," Frazier said.

Court records don't indicate that Henry has hired an attorney in the new case.

According to a statement filed with Hamilton County authorities, Henry was identified by Gregory Meyer, whose hometown was not listed, and an eyewitness. The eyewitness claimed Henry punched Meyer, causing "visible injury." Henry then threw a beer bottle at Meyer's car, breaking the rear passenger window, according to the affidavit.

After his prior arrest, Henry pleaded guilty to letting minors drink alcohol in a hotel room he had rented. He served two days in a northern Kentucky jail.

The Bengals issued a statement expressing frustration with Henry when he was in traffic court a year ago for driving with a suspended license.

Following his NFL suspension, Henry caught 21 passes for 343 yards and two touchdowns.

[Ksyrup]

Two things...

Chad Johnson - as crazy as he sounded last night - has to be smiling from ear to ear right now.

And one thing I hadn't realized before now...this moron and Pacman Jones played at WVU together. Wow.

[MikeVic]

Good to see he's learned to be a model citizen.

[Kodos]

Fine young man!

[Ksyrup]

And...cut!

[korme]

Dammit Chris.

[albionmoonlight]

Any reason the Cowboys don't sign him?

[korme]

Here's the exerpt. Sad to say I have to agree with this decision.

According to a release from the Bengals, they have released WR Chris Henry.
Mike Brown issued this statement:
"Chris Henry has forfeited his opportunity to pursue a career with the Bengals. His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said in the statement. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. We acknowledge those fans who had concerns about Chris; at the stame time we tried to help a young man. But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

[Lathum]

C-Ya!

[Dr. Sak]

Any reason the Cowboys don't sign him?

T.O can show him the ropes.

[stevew]

13 strikes and you're gone!!!!!!

Like albion said, Henry to Dallas.

The guy was pretty darn good, such a shame that he's a knucklehead.

[stevew]

dola,

About time Mike Brown finally showed a little bit of balls.

[Kodos]

Time to test out the jerk magnet theory!

[Ksyrup]

Any reason the Cowboys don't sign him?

Pacman and Henry...reunited!

[stevew]

Theory? More like a Law.

[JPhillips]

No way he goes to Dallas because by the time this plays out he'll have a lifetime suspension from Goodell. His suspension last year made it clear that the next offence would result in permanent suspension.

[stevew]

Rumor has it they also apprehended him on an unrelated charge for grand theft shovel. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=64182&highlight=shovel)

[JeeberD]

Please...aside from TO (who actually hasn't caused too much trouble here) and possibly trading for Pacman, what jerks have the Cowboys signed in the past few years?

[Lathum]

Please...aside from TO (who actually hasn't caused too much trouble here) and possibly trading for Pacman, what jerks have the Cowboys signed in the past few years?

Tank ( I have an arsenal in my basement) Johnson

[JeeberD]

Yeah, ok, I forgot about him. He hasn't caused any problems since he's been here, though.

[Ksyrup]

Henry wore a navy blue-and-white workout suit when he stood before a judge in Hamilton County Municipal Court Thursday to face charges of assault and criminal damaging from the Monday night incident. Henry pleaded not guilty. Judge Bernie Bouchard ordered him jailed on $51,000 bond. "You've kind of become a one-man crime wave," Bouchard said.

[MikeVic]

Awesome judge.

[sterlingice]

That's a great quote

SI

[Ksyrup]

This is preliminary, but:


Bengals LB in trouble
A woman has accused Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Ahmad Brooks of punching her in the face during an altercation in a northern Kentucky neighborhood last month.

Brooks was ordered to appear June 6 in Boone District Court on a complaint filed by Destiny Rosich. Based on the complaint, prosecutors charged Brooks with fourth-degree assault, a misdemeanor that carries up to a year in prison.

Rosich's complaint said Brooks got into a loud disagreement with one of her neighbors in nearby Florence on April 9. When she tried to intervene, Brooks punched her in the left eye, temporarily knocking her unconscious, the complaint said.

Police were called to the scene but didn't witness the alleged altercation. Rosich was told she could file a complaint.

A Bengals spokesman said the team had no comment because of the preliminary nature of the case.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I laugh every time this thread is bumped. It has a life of its own.

[Kodos]

The Bengals are the 90's Cowboys -- without all of the winning.

[Fidatelo]

I can't decide what will be killed first: this thread, or someone at the hands of a Bengal.

[JPhillips]

I don't know what happened, but her version of the events seems implausible.

Destiny Rosich gave a sworn statement Wednesday that Brooks was arguing outside her neighbor’s home on April 9 in the 7600 block of Banklick Street. She said her children were outside playing and began to cry because Brooks and the neighbor were about to start a fistfight.
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Brooks told the neighbor that he was going to “split his head open,” Rosich wrote in her statement.

That when she “nicely approached” Brooks and asked him to stop and “take it somewhere else,” according to the statement.

“He then pulled back his fist and struck (punched) me in the left eye,” Rosich wrote. “I then fell and blacked out.”

When Rosich gained consciousness, she grabbed her children, ran inside her home, called 911 and was taken to an area emergency room.

[Ksyrup]

Gotta be more to this than skipping workouts for a funeral. This must have been the last straw of a string of things since he was reinstated.



Bengals waive Thurman
BY MARK CURNUTTE | [email protected] ([email protected])
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After sticking with Odell Thurman through a two-year NFL suspension, the Bengals announced this morning that they've waived the the second-year linebacker.

In a statement, Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said the team has "not seen the right steps taken by (Thurman)."

“With our offseason work in progress and new talent added at our linebacker position, we’ve determined it’s best to keep moving in a direction that does not include Odell,” Lewis said.

Lewis called Safarrah Lawson, one of Thurman’s Atlanta-based representatives, and told him that the team has cut ties with Thurman, Lawson told The Enquirer this morning.

Thurman was in his native Monticello, Ga., last week to attend his grandmother’s funeral and take care of family matters, Lawson said. Thurman’s parents are dead, and the woman who brought up Thurman had died, Lawson said.

Thurman missed three voluntary on-field practices. Lawson said Lewis told him that the Bengals needed Thurman in the building, that he wasn’t in the building and that they were going in a different direction.

“The support he got from the fans, from the people of Cincinnati, from Marvin Lewis and (team president) Mike Brown, this comes as a surprise,” Lawson told The Enquirer in a phone interview.

Thurman missed the past two seasons because of a league suspension for repeated violations of its substance abuse policy. He was suspended for all of the 2006 seasons following a September DUI arrest in the East End.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell then extended Thurman’s sentence to an entire season. The league then denied his application for reinstatement last July and said he could re-apply following the 2007 season. Thurman was allowed to begin working out with the Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium in January and was reinstated this spring.

[korme]

WTF

My buddy is pissed, he bought an Odell jersey his rookie season. Odell was seriously a great rookie and everyone had high expectations for him. For shame.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gotta be more to this than skipping workouts for a funeral. This must have been the last straw of a string of things since he was reinstated.

That's so 15 minutes ago. ;)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - 2008 NFL Offseason Thread (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1730484&postcount=571)

As one local put it to me this morning "the only 'affairs' he might have been putting in order was running around trying to find the money to pay for the funeral."

That matches what another local mentioned to me a couple of weeks ago, about how his Escalade was looking pretty threadbare. The local belief is that he's basically run through all of his money while sitting out the suspension.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... everyone had high expectations for him.

Well, not everybody. Those who knew his background & his problems while at UGA (including some that never made the papers) knew that what has played out was a very real possibility.

I think a lot of people hoped it wouldn't turn out that way, but I can't say I knew a lot who expected it to turn out great.

This is a classic case of a team failing to do enough homework on a player or betting they could change a leopard's spots (or both).

[Ksyrup]

This is the correct thread for information related to Bengals conduct issues. It has taken on a life of its own and calls for its own thread for discussion/joking purposes. :cool:

[korme]

Well, not everybody. Those who knew his background & his problems while at UGA (including some that never made the papers) knew that what has played out was a very real possibility.

I think a lot of people hoped it wouldn't turn out that way, but I can't say I knew a lot who expected it to turn out great.

This is a classic case of a team failing to do enough homework on a player or betting they could change a leopard's spots (or both).


Then, shall I say, all the Bengals fans I know (including myself) had high expectations for him, after that first season.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Then, shall I say, all the Bengals fans I know (including myself) had high expectations for him, after that first season.

I'd like to say that you should have known better ... but that almost certainly wouldn't be fair to you.

You (Cincy fans) weren't really in a position to know the extent of his baggage.
And at the time it still probably seemed reasonable to trust the team's judgement.

[korme]

Yeah keep in mind this was 2005, there was no reputation just yet.

[rowech]

Yeah keep in mind this was 2005, there was no reputation just yet.

Sure there was. That's why he wasn't a #1 pick.

[korme]

Sure there was. That's why he wasn't a #1 pick.


OK WELL WE DRAFTED HIM AND REALLY LIKED HIM THAT FIRST YEAR

[rowech]

Very much agreed Shorty...don't get me wrong...I can't believe we waited for him this long and now we just drop him. He'll catch on and dominate with someone else. I'll just keep hoping Marvin Lewis gets fired and Carson Palmer gets traded so I can root for a real team.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3423215

Former Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman is facing an indefinite suspension after violating the NFL's substance abuse policy for the second time in three seasons, according to a report on SI.com.

Thurman's representative, Safarrah Lawson, said he was unaware of the situation when contacted by ESPN.com Monday night. Thurman was released by the Bengals on May 19.

"As far as I know we're suppose to see some teams next week," Lawson said. "We've talked to some people and we got some visits set up. If something happened, it's a development that just unfolded. But I don't have any knowledge of it."

Lawson added that he couldn't confirm or deny the report. Usually players are notified of league violations before agents and representatives, and Lawson had yet to talk to Thurman once the report surfaced Monday night.

edit to add: Here's a link to the original (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/06/02/thurman.fails.test/index.html) SI.com story

[JPhillips]

Sounds like the death of his grandmother threw him off the wagon. Hope he gets his life straightened out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sounds like the death of his grandmother threw him off the wagon.

Being back in the environment made it almost a sure thing he'd slip. He has to be the strongest case I've ever seen of a genetic link in cases involving substance abuse. He's at least the third generation of his family to have similar issues, and it's not isolated either, it's all along the family tree (i.e. uncles, etc).

[JPhillips]

I really feel for the guy, even though he brought most of this on himself. My grandfather died an alcoholic before I knew him and I've come across several in my work. The individual instances are infuriating, but the overall situation is pathetic. I doubt he has many more opportunities to get straight before he's either in prison or dead. God bless him.

[Ragone]

Please...aside from TO (who actually hasn't caused too much trouble here) and possibly trading for Pacman, what jerks have the Cowboys signed in the past few years?

Marcus Coleman for one
Dewayne Goodrich for another

[JeeberD]

Marcus Coleman for one

On November 11, 2006, Marcus Coleman was arrested on a charge of DWI [1] in Irving, Texas. The Cowboys released Coleman a day later.


Dewayne Goodrich for another

Five years ago...not exactly recent. And I hope the douchebag is enjoying his stay in prison.

[JonInMiddleGA]

League confirms Odell Thurman suspended for entire 2008 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3429624

[miami_fan]

Here's the exerpt. Sad to say I have to agree with this decision.

According to a release from the Bengals, they have released WR Chris Henry.
Mike Brown issued this statement:
"Chris Henry has forfeited his opportunity to pursue a career with the Bengals. His conduct can no longer be tolerated," Brown said in the statement. "The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL. We acknowledge those fans who had concerns about Chris; at the stame time we tried to help a young man. But those efforts end today, as we move on with what is best for our team."

And what's best for the team could be.......

ESPN - Source: Henry headed to Cincinnati to sign deal with Bengals - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3541693)

The Cincinnati Bengals are close to reaching an agreement with free-agent receiver Chris Henry, a source told ESPN.com Monday night. Henry is en route from Charlotte, N.C., to Cincinnati to sign a contract with the team as early as Tuesday, the source said.

The Bengals refused comment on Henry when contacted by ESPN.com on Monday night.

"We don't comment on speculated player moves," Cincinnati team spokesman Jack Brennan said. "We only comment when something is done."

Henry, a former Bengal, was released by the team in April after his fifth arrest in three years, this one in connection with an incident said to have taken place March 31. But charges of assault and criminal damaging were later dropped, making him eligible to play in 2008.


Still, the NFL suspended Henry for the first four games of the season.

But the Bengals had shown interest in Henry since the charges were dropped. There was a feeling in Cincinnati that the team might have overreacted in cutting its former third-round draft pick before the judicial system ran its course.

The Bengals have struggled in the past when Henry was not on the field. Last season, the team was 2-6 while Henry served an eight-game suspension and 5-3 in the second half of the season with Henry in the lineup.


Henry has 88 career receptions for 1,370 yards and 17 touchdowns as Cincinnati's No. 3 receiver behind Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Recently, Henry told ESPN.com he vows to stay out of precarious situations if given another chance.

"I'm just focusing on what I need to be doing off the field so I can keep doing what I do on the field," Henry said. "I just have to be smart and handle myself like a professional at all times. Off the field, if I'll handle situations like I'm supposed to, everything else will take care of itself."

Sunday's shoulder injury to Pro Bowl receiver Johnson, in addition to a recent hamstring injury to Houshmandzadeh and a toe injury for rookie Andre Caldwell, might have prompted the urgency to sign Henry this week. Although Henry will not be eligible to play until October, the team needs more capable bodies in practice and for the rest of the preseason.

James Walker covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

[rowech]

Not saying he hasn't messed up and he'll probably mess up again but the Bengals jumped the gun tremendously when they released him. I also think the NFL suspension is BS. When the full story came out, it was clear he was actually okay in this one by most people's book.

[Cringer]

Sounds like Bengal football to me.

[stevew]

Same old bengals. Cedrick wilson is also put there out there coaching hs football if they bed another troubled wr

[damnMikeBrown]

I've lived all over the midwest...I've been in Cincinnati for the better part of the past 20 years though. I want to support the Bengals...I have 5 jerseys...4 are from the '85 Bears (my NFC team), the other is a Palmer jersey.

They do this & I'm out. It is the proverbial straw. . .character matters to me...I don't run the team, but I pay the damn stadium tax every day. I buy the tickets to 2 games a year and enjoy the hell out of myself down there. I will not continue to support this franchise when the choose to make repeatable mistakes and bringing yet more high income pseudo-criminals to my city.

Thanks but no thanks.

[hhiipp]

DMB - Can I have your tickets? :)

[korme]

Same old bengals. Cedrick wilson is also put there out there coaching hs football if they bed another troubled wr

Ok, this is just too incomprehensible to warrant a response. :)

I've lived all over the midwest...I've been in Cincinnati for the better part of the past 20 years though. I want to support the Bengals...I have 5 jerseys...4 are from the '85 Bears (my NFC team), the other is a Palmer jersey.

They do this & I'm out. It is the proverbial straw. . .character matters to me...I don't run the team, but I pay the damn stadium tax every day. I buy the tickets to 2 games a year and enjoy the hell out of myself down there. I will not continue to support this franchise when the choose to make repeatable mistakes and bringing yet more high income pseudo-criminals to my city.

Thanks but no thanks.

You sure you aren't over-reacting? I was not thrilled either when I heard we were trying to bring him back, BUT it's still my team and I'll support it, even if I don't believe Henry at all. The bottom line is that football means fucking win, I don't care if we have to be the 90's Cowboys bad boys to do it.

[stevew]

Ok, this is just too incomprehensible to warrant a response. :)






friggin blackberry jb english again. I should probably stop posting from it at work.

[damnMikeBrown]

Ok, this is just too incomprehensible to warrant a response. :)



You sure you aren't over-reacting? I was not thrilled either when I heard we were trying to bring him back, BUT it's still my team and I'll support it, even if I don't believe Henry at all. The bottom line is that football means fucking win, I don't care if we have to be the 90's Cowboys bad boys to do it.

I absolutely hear you.... I'm not saying you're wrong, but the route to the bottom line does matter to me. As a child in the 70's I adored the Cowboys, as an adult in the 90's I learned to loathe them. I can not think of something I'd less like to see happen for the team. I don't begrudge the win at all costs mentality, but it is not one I will support with my entertainment dollars.

[korme]

I'm just saying after finally sniffing success, I don't want to go back to the pre-Palmer days, and it might be that way, so I guess I'm supporting this signing more than I was earlier.

"Bengals are ranked 24th in the ESPN Power Polls... Browns are 10."

Ugh, I can't stand it.

[PilotMan]

You know the issure that I would have would be how this complete undermining of Marvin Lewis is going to play out over the year. Certainly it has to have an impact no only on Brown and Lewis, but also Lewis and his team.

As a Steeler fan I find this all amusing and I can understand it from a 'hey, this guy is the best guy for us out there' mentality. But if I was a fan, I would worry that this doesn't bring the team any closer together and sets the team up for failure and bad chemistry in the locker room.

[RendeR]

Well actually it wasn't lewis that finally said "get rid of henry" that was all brown. Marvin has always been a guy who believed he could turn people around. This just gives him another shot at geting into this kid's had.


I think this season in the AFC North is a total Crap shoot. the only really solid pick in this division is baltimore taking residence in the cellar. The other three teams all have real strong points and real big question marks to face. Its gonna be a real ugly season in our division.

I saw last night that Joe horn is available. Talk about a fantastic guy to have around as a #3 or 4 receiver. I hope we at least talk to the man.

[hhiipp]

Maybe they re-signed him so they can re-release him just to rub salt in the wound. After that's all done they'll pick up Joe Horn?

[RendeR]

I hope not, no matter how stupid henry can be, he IS a fantastic wide receiver and the Bengals win games when he's on the field. Carson needs that go-to guy in the Red Zone and thats what henry does best.

[rowech]

I hope not, no matter how stupid henry can be, he IS a fantastic wide receiver and the Bengals win games when he's on the field. Carson needs that go-to guy in the Red Zone and thats what henry does best.

He also helps to open the running game so much more than any of those other #3's will.

[JPhillips]

As a fan of the Bengals, I don't like the move. Even if he makes the team better, it was past time to cut ties with Henry. However, I'm hopeful that going without any other offers may have finally turned on the light in Henry's head. For his sake I hope he's figured out that right now he's just another guy without many skills if he's out of football.

[RendeR]

As a fan of the Bengals, I don't like the move. Even if he makes the team better, it was past time to cut ties with Henry. However, I'm hopeful that going without any other offers may have finally turned on the light in Henry's head. For his sake I hope he's figured out that right now he's just another guy without many skills if he's out of football.



To be honest, If we weren't down 3 wideouts due to injury right now I'd agree with you whole heartedly. But with Chad, Housh and the top rookie WR all dinged up we need a quality guy to step in and play, Henry is not only a quality WR, he knows the system inside and out and can step in and play.

Due to the circumstances, I may not LIKE Henry, but I'm glad he was available and agreed to come back. I hope he makes the best of the situation and turns his stupid ass around and becomes a stand up citizen.


I'm actually hoping they at least bring Horn in for a workout. He may not be fast anymore, but the man has great hands and plays a SMART game. We need that on the field.

[JPhillips]

But Henry can't play until the fifth game. None of the injuries that are currently a problem should be around by then. This has less to do with injury and more to do with a panic that they don't have a viable third option. In a way I admire Mike Brown for giving guys so many chances, but the timing for this is awful. I felt like the team had finally made it clear that bad behavior would be punished.

The one thing that gives me oause is how several guys, including Lewis, have made a point to say he is talking and behaving differently. Maybe being unemployed and having his home foreclosed was close enough to the bottom to scare him straight.

[Glengoyne]

Is this thread stickied?

It seems like it's just always on the front page.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Not quite arrested...but it's been 6 weeks since this thread has been bumped!!

ESPN - Blackstock suspended for using performance-enhancing substance - NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3631111)

[JPhillips]

Not an arrest, but still fantastic.

A newly released police video shows Mississippi basketball coach Andy Kennedy pleading with an officer before his arrest on an assault charge.

"I'm begging you ... this is a major deal, man," Kennedy told police.

He added: "This is going to be a national incident, sir."

Kennedy was arrested in downtown Cincinnati on Dec. 18 after a taxi driver said Kennedy hit him and used racial slurs.

On the video broadcast by WLWT-TV in Cincinnati, an officer warned Kennedy to do what police say.

"You turn on me one more time, I'm going to start making some more charges. Do you understand me?" an unidentified police officer told Kennedy.

Kennedy told an officer that he was formerly the University of Cincinnati head coach and was in town to play "Louisville and Rick Pitino" on national television.

Kennedy also told police on the video that he had a verbal altercation about how many people could ride in the cab, and that it "makes no sense" to arrest him.

In response to his pleas, an officer said: "You think we've never arrested somebody that's made national media? ... We deal with the Bengals all the time."

[Logan]

Wow...well done officer.

[Tasan]

Best. Quote. Ever.

[sterlingice]

Agreed- that was a great quote :D

SI

[RendeR]

Oh STFU =)

[kingnebwsu]

I'm a Bengals fan...and that's still hilarious :)

[SunDevil]

I am sorry but that is the tipping point. If you are the owner of the franchise at this point, you might as well hire these two guys and start over. :D

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_The_Replacements/gene_hackman_keanu_reeves_the_replacements_001.jpg

[MikeVic]

Source: Cincinnati Bengals reach deal with DL Tank Johnson - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4050400)

Way to go Bengals!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Meanwhile local sports talk was just this morning bemoaning the possibility that Knoshown Moreno would be drafted by the Bengals. Considering that the last two UGA stars to go there were David Pollack & Odell Thurman, I can understand their concern.

(yes, the acknowledged that Pollack was clean as a whistle & just horribly unfortunate but still, you can't help but flinch a little bit)

[JPhillips]

If they skip over an OT for Moreno I'll need a lot of alcohol. I wish they were savvy enough to trade down into the teens or so with someone who wants Raji, but they've never been that good at manipulating the draft.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wish they were savvy enough to trade down into the teens or so with someone who wants Raji, but they've never been that good at manipulating the draft.

That was mentioned briefly this morning (no idea how accurate it is or isn't) that they might do it but were having a little trouble finding a dance partner on a deal.

[JPhillips]

The only way it will happen is if they do it on draft day. I think Raji will be there and there's a chance Crabtree will also be there at 6. If that happens they should be able to turn the #1 WR and/or #1 DT into a trade, but again, they normally aren't very savvy on draft day. It's far more likely they'll take Oher or Smith, which isn't a bad thing given the huge hole at tackle.

[Julio Riddols]

If the rumors regarding a deal for Chad Johnson being in the works are true, I imagine Cinci has plans on picking Crabtree at 6. I honestly think that addresses the main concern, as Whitworth and Collins should be able to handle the Tackle duties. I doubt they go for Raji with their recent signing of Tank Johnson (no matter how bad that looks given their history.. I don' like the idea too much, however)..

I am hoping I see Crabtree, and then in the early second a tackle should still be there.. Then a C or DE would be nice.

I'm holding off making a determination on Utecht until I see how he does with a healthy Palmer, but a TE wouldn't be a bad idea either. I wish Gresham would have come out this season.

[Butter]

I would LOVE the Bengals to send Chad Johnson to someone for some draft picks.

If the Bengals could get Crabtree, a tackle, AND a center in the first 2 rounds, that would be a pretty successful draft all on its own.

Or trade down without getting their ass handed to them and get even MORE picks. The Bengals need quantity, honestly, considering their sketchy drafting record. The more picks, the more likely they get a guy that will actually stick instead of the 3 to 4 flameouts they seem to pick per year.

[Julio Riddols]

They have had pretty good drafts, just injury and legal troubles have killed a lot of them.

Kenny Irons, David Pollack, Ethan Kilmer, and Odell Thurman were good picks that should have had better careers. Thurman could have been a beast and Pollack was just getting started.

Overall, their draft history has been very good, especially lately, but there have been extrs circumstances that slowed the progress that could have been made.

Look at guys like Chinedum Ndukwe, Marvin White, Pat Sims, etc. Theyre on their way, its just a matter of time. Ndukwe has already been making plays.

Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall have been great.

I agree though, the more picks the better. I just hope they all avoid getting hurt.

[JPhillips]

I wouldn't say their record has been very good. They've managed to get a lot of NFL players, but they've failed at getting elite players. I think Palmer is the only Pro Bowl player drafted in the Lewis era. A team without stars is likely an 8-8 team at best.

As for more picks, I disagree. They need to leverage their extra picks this year to move up and get targeted players. After drafting ten players last year, nine of whom are still with the team, they just don't have room for another eleven. They won't have twenty of sixty-one spots for first and second year players, so some of those draft picks will be cut regardless.

On Crabtree, I'm torn. I'm afraid he'll have a stat line more like Warrick due to his lack of top end speed. I'd much rather someone else take the risk on him. Besides the Bengals already have a second and two third round picks waiting to get playing time. I think they have to get a starting OT in this draft and history shows that you need to do thatearly if the players are available.

[Butter]

Yeah, I don't know if Crabtree is the real deal or not... but IF they are going to trade Chad, they really need to get a #1 receiver now that Housh is gone. IF they don't trade Chad, then I take the best OT available. I don't have much confidence in that O-line, unlike Julio, so I take Tackle/Center with the first 2 picks, especially now that they seem to be putting the D-line hopes squarely on the back of Tank Johnson.

I wouldn't be overly upset about a running back either, because I'm not sold on Cedric Benson AT ALL.

This team has so many holes, though, it's hard to know where to start... TE, DE, RB... this is a crucial draft, considering that Palmer is starting to get into what should be his peak years age-wise.

[Honolulu_Blue]

They have had pretty good drafts, just injury and legal troubles have killed a lot of them.

Kenny Irons, David Pollack, Ethan Kilmer, and Odell Thurman were good picks that should have had better careers. Thurman could have been a beast and Pollack was just getting started.

Overall, their draft history has been very good, especially lately, but there have been extrs circumstances that slowed the progress that could have been made.

Look at guys like Chinedum Ndukwe, Marvin White, Pat Sims, etc. Theyre on their way, its just a matter of time. Ndukwe has already been making plays.

Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall have been great.

I agree though, the more picks the better. I just hope they all avoid getting hurt.

While I haven't followed the Bengals' draft history too closely, I am not sure I agree. While the Bengals can't be faulted for drafting guys who subsequently get injured (like Pollack), but drafting players who have promise but are derailed because of legal or personal issues is a failure of their scouting/drafting process. The Bengals have shown a propensity to either ignore red flags like this or think they can iron them out. So, while other teams are passing on these guys, the Bengals take them. It makes their draft day grade look good, but in the end it doesn't always work out.

[Julio Riddols]

This is going to be one of those years where they surprise a lot of people or where they sink back to the depths for another 10 years.. The defense was great last year especially in the second half of the season, so it will be about fixing the offense, which should instantly be better than it was with Palmer instead of Fitzpatrick.

Theres a lot of optimism among players and the young receivers have supposedly made great strides this offseason, but I think one more disaster pushes them back to the bottom for a looong time.

I agree the "second chance" philosophy when drafting or signing players has been a bad idea, but I'll just keep my fingers crossed on that this season. REALLY crossed.

[Honolulu_Blue]

It pains me to post this, Hall being a Michigan guy and all, but...

ProFootballTalk.com - Bengals’ Hall Booked On DUI Charge (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/08/bengals-hall-booked-on-dui-charge/)

Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Leon Hall has continued the AFC North team’s unwanted tradition of trouble.

According to WLWT-TV, Hall was arrested and charged Sunday with driving under the influence.

Per the report, Hall is due in court Friday.

Hall, 24, is a former first-round draft pick from Michigan who has registered 143 career tackles and eight interceptions.

According to NFL.com, Hall was credited with 75 tackles and three interceptions with one touchdown last season.

[RendeR]

*sigh*

[DeToxRox]

Yeah, I love Leon Hall, but what an idiot. Especially after the Stallworth thing. And Hall's wife just had a baby too. Ugh.

[Logan]

A pleasant surprise to see another notch on the belt, since this thread was already bumped for the Tank move.

[DeToxRox]

A pleasant surprise to see another notch on the belt, since this thread was already bumped for the Tank move.

Pssh. This thread is my FOFC legacy.

[JPhillips]

You'd drink too if your friend got bitten by a zombie he mistook for a vampire.

[Julio Riddols]

Real nice to see from a guy I didn't expect this from.. Hall came out as a character guy.. Thats one of the reasons they went with him..

What the hell are they putting in the water in Cinci?

The jenga tower of misplaced trust teeters ever more..

[Julio Riddols]

What the hell are they putting in the water in Cinci?



Dola self-response: Probably alcohol.

[Butter]

Real nice to see from a guy I didn't expect this from.. Hall came out as a character guy.. Thats one of the reasons they went with him..

Exactly what I was thinking. Hall was the last guy I ever expected to see arrested.

[Logan]

Pssh. This thread is my FOFC legacy.

Sure isn't the EBFL!

[JPhillips]

Exactly what I was thinking. Hall was the last guy I ever expected to see arrested.

I don't want to excuse a DUI, but it's hardly evidence of a lack of character. It was a stupid decision that luckily didn't hurt anyone, but it doesn't make him a bad guy.

[Julio Riddols]

Agreed, its not a huge deal, but with things like what happened to Stallworth.. Just with the Bengals track record as a team.. You should be wary and extremely careful about things like this, even to a fault, knowing what you are and what is at stake. I'd pay someone to drive me everywhere with my first round money, just to avoid things like this.

[claphamsa]

yeah, but look back in the day when there were 9 arrests in the 6 month period.... like 5 were DUIs or minor violations... not like any of these guys were putting out hits on their pregnant girlfreinds of anything.....

[Logan]

yeah, but look back in the day when there were 9 arrests in the 6 month period.... like 5 were DUIs or minor violations... not like any of these guys were putting out hits on their pregnant girlfreinds of anything.....

The Bengals should use this as part of their marketing material for 2009 season tickets.

[Fidatelo]

Why are people excusing DUI's like they aren't a big deal? Since when did making the decision to drive around drunk not indicate a lack of character? What the fuck?

[sterlingice]

Why are people excusing DUI's like they aren't a big deal? Since when did making the decision to drive around drunk not indicate a lack of character? What the fuck?

For some reason that's perfectly logical. In this country, whatever you do when plastered, you get something akin to a "half off" coupon for. You killed someone- you're evil. You killed someone while drunk- well, that's not as bad because you didn't have control. Never mind that people can control if they take a drink. But we don't make that connection in this country. Bad stuff you do while drunk is "more ok" because you were drunk.

SI

[JPhillips]

Why are people excusing DUI's like they aren't a big deal? Since when did making the decision to drive around drunk not indicate a lack of character? What the fuck?

Not every bad decision shows a lack of character.

edit: I'm not excusing the DUI. He'll rightly have to deal with whatever punishment the judge decides upon. I just don't a DUI is proof of a lack of character.

[bhlloy]

edit: I'm not excusing the DUI. He'll rightly have to deal with whatever punishment the judge decides upon. I just don't a DUI is proof of a lack of character.

I think Nick Adenhart's family might disagree with you :(

Honestly, I'm not ragging on you personally here, but it never ceases to amaze me the lax attitude people have about DUI. :banghead:

[JPhillips]

I think Nick Adenhart's family might disagree with you :(

Honestly, I'm not ragging on you personally here, but it never ceases to amaze me the lax attitude people have about DUI. :banghead:

How do I have a lax attitude? It's a bad decision and whatever punishment is coming to him is deserved. I just don't think every bad decision is evidence of poor character. If we're going to say every bad decision that has the potential to cause harm to others is evidence of a poor character I doubt many of us would be high character guys.

[JPhillips]

Be careful. There are some douche bags that have defended drunk driving in other threads, but I won't name them.

And some douchebags misrepresent what I've said. Show me where I've defended drunk drivers. I just happen to think it's possible for otherwise decent human beings to make tragically bad decisions.

How do I have a lax attitude? It's a bad decision and whatever punishment is coming to him is deserved. I just don't think every bad decision is evidence of poor character. If we're going to say every bad decision that has the potential to cause harm to others is evidence of a poor character I doubt many of us would be high character guys.

It's a lot easier to be certain of your moral superiority and know who does and doesn't have character. I'll be the first to admit I don't have that certainty and believe human behavior is a lot more complicated than what I can determine from a news story.

[Logan]

How do I have a lax attitude? It's a bad decision and whatever punishment is coming to him is deserved. I just don't think every bad decision is evidence of poor character. If we're going to say every bad decision that has the potential to cause harm to others is evidence of a poor character I doubt many of us would be high character guys.

I guess it depends on how far you want to carry it out. I don't think a smoker has poor character because he is choosing an activity that is harming him/herself and also can cause harm to others thru secondhand smoke.

But getting into a car when you're loaded and can easily kill yourself and others...yes, that extends past a "bad decision."

[Lathum]

I don't think someone who gets a DUI has character issues. People don't commit DUI's with malicous intent.

My sister got a DUI about 6 months ago. Do I think she is a bad person, no.

Do I think she is a fucking moron, absolutly, and she deserves whatever punishment she receives.

[JPhillips]

I guess it depends on how far you want to carry it out. I don't think a smoker has poor character because he is choosing an activity that is harming him/herself and also can cause harm to others thru secondhand smoke.

But getting into a car when you're loaded and can easily kill yourself and others...yes, that extends past a "bad decision."

We know speeding increases the risk of accidents. Do all speeders show a lack of character? I just think it's way too easy for people to condemn others without knowing anything more about them than a news story.

For all I know Hall is a terrible human being, but he may also be a hell of a guy that did something reckless and stupid. A single action, even a dangerous one, rarely defines the totality of an individual.

edit: I should make clear that when appropriate the individual should absolutely face the consequences of their action no matter whether or not it was intentional. I'm not saying that their should be no consequences for poor judgment, but it would benefit all of us to understand that but for the grace of God go I.

[bhlloy]

The majority of people I know who drive drunk do it repeatedly without any concern for others or the damage they might cause. I know a couple of people who have driven into stationary objects and continue to drink drive every week. That clearly shows a lack of character IMO. They just got lucky that the tree they hit wasn't a kid or another car.

If your sister got caught on one of the few times she has driven drunk in her life, that's a bad decision. Hell, I'm not saying I'm perfect. Otherwise, it goes way past making a "tragically bad decision" for me... it's not that hard to arrange for a DD, or take a fricking cab.

And if more people ripped on drunk drivers for having character issues and it became a stigma, maybe less idiots would do it. Just a thought.

[Lathum]

The majority of people I know who drive drunk do it repeatedly without any concern for others or the damage they might cause. I know a couple of people who have driven into stationary objects and continue to drink drive every week. That clearly shows a lack of character IMO. They just got lucky that the tree they hit wasn't a kid or another car.



I totally agree with that shows a lack of character.

I'm just not so quick to brandish every person who has ever gotten a DUI as a bad person.

Not saying that you are either.

[JPhillips]

Ditto what Lathum just said.

[molson]

If the world is made up of "good people" and "bad people", maybe one DUI doesn't push you into "bad" territory, if you're otherwise good.

But I think it's more of a scale. Driving drunk definitely pushes you down the scale towards "bad".

I think Latham and Jphillips are saying different things. I agree with Latham that one DUI doesn't make somebody a bad person, but don't get how Jphillips can think that driving drunk isn't even "evidence of a lack of character". If I was trying to make a case that someone was a bad person, driving drunk would be some of the first evidence I would use. It ain't proof, but it's certainly evidence. Drunk drivers put convienence and cost ahead of the well-being of others. That's bad character. (And yes, speeders do that do, but not to the same extent. Driving drunk is considerably more dangerous than going 10-15 mph too fast).

[Logan]

We know speeding increases the risk of accidents. Do all speeders show a lack of character? I just think it's way too easy for people to condemn others without knowing anything more about them than a news story.

For all I know Hall is a terrible human being, but he may also be a hell of a guy that did something reckless and stupid. A single action, even a dangerous one, rarely defines the totality of an individual.

edit: I should make clear that when appropriate the individual should absolutely face the consequences of their action no matter whether or not it was intentional. I'm not saying that their should be no consequences for poor judgment, but it would benefit all of us to understand that but for the grace of God go I.

Fair enough. I think my issue isn't necessarily labeling someone as having poor/bad character because of a DUI. I just think simply calling it a "bad decision" isn't enough. So somewhere in the middle, I guess...

edit: Or, what molson said.

[JPhillips]

If the world is made up of "good people" and "bad people", maybe one DUI doesn't push you into "bad" territory, if you're otherwise good.

But I think it's more of a scale. Driving drunk definitely pushes you down the scale towards "bad".

I think Latham and Jphillips are saying different things. I agree with Latham that one DUI doesn't make somebody a bad person, but don't get how Jphillips can think that driving drunk isn't even "evidence of a lack of character". If I was trying to make a case that someone was a bad person, driving drunk would be some of the first evidence I would use. It ain't proof, but it's certainly evidence. Drunk drivers put convienence and cost ahead of the well-being of others. That's bad character. (And yes, speeders do that do, but not to the same extent. Driving drunk is considerably more dangerous than going 10-15 mph too fast).

That makes sense. I guess I'm reacting to the notion that Hall went from a good character guy to a bad character guy due to one DUI. There's more to a person than any one action.

[Radii]

If I was trying to make a case that someone was a bad person, driving drunk would be some of the first evidence I would use. It ain't proof, but it's certainly evidence. Drunk drivers put convienence and cost ahead of the well-being of others. That's bad character.

well put.

[DeToxRox]

What a bad pick. I hated it from the get and this just doesn't help the Bengals that he comes in and breaks a foot in a non contact drill.

Cincinnati Bengals first-round choice Andre Smith just ended his holdout, but now he'll be sitting again.

The offensive lineman suffered a fracture in a foot during a non-contact drill Tuesday and it is not known how long he will be out, but he will miss the Bengals' opener on Sept. 13. Smith missed 30 days before agreeing to terms two days ago.

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"Andre suffered a small fracture in his left foot during a non-contact drill," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said in a statement. "Our medical staff tells me the injury will not require surgery. It's too soon to closely predict how long it will be before he can return to practice, but it looks like he's going to miss a few weeks."

Smith is currently on a roster exemption granted by commissioner Roger Goodell because of his late arrival. The exemption lasts until next week.

Smith was the sixth pick in the NFL draft and the most recent to sign. Michael Crabtree of the 49ers is the only unsigned first-rounder.

Sources said on Tuesday that the Bengals demanded that Smith have a weight clause in his contract. Smith, who is listed at 335 pounds, would lose a significant portion of his salary if his weight exceeded 350 pounds.

Smith, whose deal includes $21 million guaranteed and maxes out at six years and $42 million, was trying to claim the starting right tackle job.

[rowech]

You mean being fat, out of shape, having a friend be your workout coach, and doing nothing to help yourself ends badly? Bengals were just stupid to sign him. I don't know how anybody looks as this guy and doesn't see bust written all over him. Lord knows there's plenty of room on him to write it.

[Lathum]

They are getting what they deserved by drafting him. There were so many signs prior to the draft that they should have steered clear of him.

[larrymcg421]

The Bengals must have been on autopick for the draft, so they took the highest graded player, not realizing that all of his combines were green.

[RendeR]

So not thrilled with this guy. Prima-fucking donna.

You're fat == get your ass into camp

You have issues with authority == means get your ass into camp

You want a decent contract == means get your ass to camp

whats he do? not a fucking thing. overrated fat fuck from an overrated college program.

[Julio Riddols]

I was worried as shit about this before the draft.. A shame considering the rest of their draft seems to be incredibly good.. If only they had gone with Oher or Monroe..

The plus to this is Cinci seems to have structured the deal so they can get out of it pretty easy if he is a miserable failure after a couple seasons. One can only hope. I think we're better off with Collins and Whitworth personally. I just hope they stay healthy.

[JPhillips]

It's way too early to label Smith a bust. Foot problems for big guys aren't uncommon, and don't have anything to do with conditioning. His holdout is as much the Bengals fault as anything. They wanted to wait until his slot was clear, but then they didn't want to pay his slot. It was a very creative deal that can be seen as both under and at his slot.

As for the rest of the tackles, if any of then make the Pro Bowl it wouldn't surprise me, but if any of them are complete busts it also wouldn't surprise me. I don't see much of any difference between Oher, Monroe or the Smiths.

[bhlloy]

You mean other than the fact that the first two are actually decent athletes for their size, and the third is fat and so lazy that the Bengals had to put a clause in his contract for when (if) he gets over 350lbs?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Monroe or Oher bust either, but there seems a big difference between them and Tubby.

[DaddyTorgo]

You mean other than the fact that the first two are actually decent athletes for their size, and the third is fat and so lazy that the Bengals had to put a clause in his contract for when (if) he gets over 350lbs?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Monroe or Oher bust either, but there seems a big difference between them and Tubby.

+1

[JPhillips]

You mean other than the fact that the first two are actually decent athletes for their size, and the third is fat and so lazy that the Bengals had to put a clause in his contract for when (if) he gets over 350lbs?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Monroe or Oher bust either, but there seems a big difference between them and Tubby.

Andre Smith was also far and away the most dominant in college. It's not like the guy has never had success. He may be a bust, but it wouldn't at all surprise me to see him as a high quality right tackle for the next decade either. He's probably got more risk than Monroe, but he also has more upside.

[PilotMan]

Bengals' Maualuga arrested on DUI charge in Ky. - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-maualugaarrest&prov=ap&type=lgns)

CINCINNATI (AP)—Police in northern Kentucky have arrested Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Rey Maualuga(notes) (mow-uh-LOO’-guh) on charges of drunken and careless driving.
Covington police spokesman Spike Jones says Maualuga hit a parking meter and two parked cars early Friday with his 2003 Pontiac. There was minor damage.

The 23-year-old was held about seven hours at the Kenton County jail before being released on his own recognizance.
The Bengals’ 2009 second-round draft choice from Southern Cal started the first 15 games of his rookie season before breaking his left ankle.
Team spokesman Jack Brennan says he won’t comment until the case is resolved. A message has been left for agent Gary Uberstine.

[rowech]

My brother just told me about Maualuga. When will these guys learn? Henry wasn't enough?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Better question: Why was a 2nd round draft pick driving a 2003 Pontiac?

I mean, I know he probably had to take a pay cut going to the Bengals from USC but damn.

[JPhillips]

Everyone on the SBN Bengals site assumes he was driving his hook-up's car.

[stevew]

Better question: Why was a 2nd round draft pick driving a 2003 Pontiac?

I mean, I know he probably had to take a pay cut going to the Bengals from USC but damn.
hell. I think driving an old car is actually a good idea.

[remper]

Better question: Why was a 2nd round draft pick driving a 2003 Pontiac?

I mean, I know he probably had to take a pay cut going to the Bengals from USC but damn.

This was the first thing I thought reading that story :lol:
But I guess if you're going to drive around drunk better to wreck an old Pontiac....

[PackerFanatic]

Evidently had a blood-alcohol of .157

Daaaaamn.

[Chief Rum]

I wonder if he told the Cincy cops that "we own the police".

[RedKingGold]

Mow-uh-LOO-gah

[DeToxRox]

So PFT is reporting Rey had a 17 and 18 year old girl in his car. Not good.

[Samdari]

So PFT is reporting Rey had a 17 and 18 year old girl in his car. Not good.

Sounds great to me.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Why the hell does anyone with law-breaking intentions go across the border to Kentucky? I watched a show on a cable network last night at a prison in Kentucky. There was story after story of inmates who live in Cincinnati and were arrested in northern Kentucky. Seems to me they should stay on their side of the border.

[RendeR]

Why the hell does anyone with law-breaking intentions go across the border to Kentucky? I watched a show on a cable network last night at a prison in Kentucky. There was story after story of inmates who live in Cincinnati and were arrested in northern Kentucky. Seems to me they should stay on their side of the border.


Because if they didn't go into Kentucky the state would cease to exist out of boredom.

[Lathum]

Because if they didn't go into Kentucky the state would cease to exist out of boredom.

It's actually the opposite. The city of Cincinnati is boring as hell, especially after sun down and Newport, KY has a decent amount to do. Lots of restaurants, movie theater, etc...

Plus you can smoke in KY so a lot of people go across the river to the bars so they can drink and smoke.

[Glengoyne]

...

Plus you can smoke in KY so a lot of people go across the river to the bars so they can drink and smoke.

Cool. I get it. People who smoke are criminals.

Check.

[Lathum]

Cool. I get it. People who smoke are criminals.

Check.

How do you even get that from my comment?

The question was why do people go over the river into KY instead of staying in Cinci, I gave a very valid reason in response to Renders comment, having lived in Cinci.

[Lathum]

dola- I would venture to guess if a study was done to determine what percentage of criminals smoked it would be considerably higher than the general public. But that's another discussion.

[Glengoyne]

How do you even get that from my comment?

The question was why do people go over the river into KY instead of staying in Cinci, I gave a very valid reason in response to Renders comment, having lived in Cinci.


Damn! I almost added a smiley.

[JPhillips]

Cool. I get it. People who smoke are criminals.

Check.

In Cincy that's true in a lot of places.

[Lathum]

Damn! I almost added a smiley.

:)

The internet really needs a sarcasm font.

[Bearcat729]

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Here is the video from the cruiser cam from the night of his arrest.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Relatively weak by Bengal standards..........

Bengals WR Arrested At Newport Bar - Sports News Story - WLWT Cincinnati (http://www.wlwt.com/sports/23444912/detail.html)

[JPhillips]

If you're a marginal NFL talent why the hell would you put yourself in this position? He's likely out of the league for good after this.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

If you're a marginal NFL talent why the hell would you put yourself in this position? He's likely out of the league for good after this.

I forgot to note the kicker line at the end of the article.

While at Nebraska, Purify majored in criminal justice.

[hhiipp]

I forgot to note the kicker line at the end of the article.

Maybe he just wanted a first hand experience with the criminal justice system since he'd learned so much about it?

[hhiipp]

Dola, since the Bengals have 11 or so receivers on their team right now, this year this could be the last of Maurice Purify.

[molson]

Does Corey Dillon count?

[MikeVic]

PacMan to the Bengals?

Pacman to sign with the Bengals | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/04/pacman-to-sign-with-the-bengals/)

[PackerFanatic]

This thread will never die :)

[Passacaglia]

Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/06/29/cedric_benson_arrested_charged.html?srcTrk=RTR_95649)



Cedric Benson arrested, charged for incident at downtown Austin bar

By Tony Plohetski and Kevin Robbins | Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:33 AM

Former University of Texas football player Cedric Benson was arrested and charged with assault with injury early today after an incident last month at Annie’s West at 706 West Sixth Street, where officials said he punched a bar employee in the face.

The 27-year-old current running back for the Cincinnati Bengals had been involved in an altercation at the establishment and was being escorted out when he punched an employee, according to an arrest affidavit.

The affidavit said the May 30 incident began at 1:50 a.m. when a fight began between Benson and an unknown person inside the bar. Club staff separated them, at which time Benson shoved a manager “in an attempt to continue the fight he was previously engaged in,” the affidavit said.

The affidavit said Benson spit blood from his injured lip at a bar employee.

Workers then asked Benson several times to leave.

“Benson refused, and was escorted out of the bar,” the affidavit said.

Outside, the affidavit said employees tried to prevent him from going back in. At that point, he punched “with his right fist to the left side” of an employee’s face, causing the employee to stumble backwards.

Reached on his cell phone, Benson asked the American-Statesman to call him later today.

Benson has posted bail and has been released from the Travis County Jail, according to jail records and officials.

He faces up to a year in jail if convicted of the Class A misdemeanor.

Benson started four years at running back for the University of Texas, from 2001 to 2004, after leading Midland Lee High School to three state championships.

The Chicago Bears drafted him with the fourth selection of the 2005 NFL draft. He was released in 2008. He signed a one-year contract that season with the Cincinnati Bengals and signed a two-year, $7-million contract with the team in 2009.

In 2008, Benson was arrested for two alcohol-related incidents, but a Travis County grand jury declined to indict him and charges were dropped.

[rowech]

I can't help but wonder why this didn't go through until a month after the fact.

[korme]

Can't help but think that despite this title of the thread being named last year, "Andre Smith injury fun" is not very sportsmanlike.

[JPhillips]

I think the only question is four games or eight.

[Butter]

Someone needs to insert the Price is Right come on down music to this thread so I can enjoy it to the fullest.

Sounds like Benson is one of those "mean" drunks.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Its good to know Cedric fits in perfectly into the whole Bengals mindset now.....

Can't believe he used to be a good kid back in Midland...

[PilotMan]

How did this not make the news today?

Bengals CB Pacman Jones arrested in Cincinnati (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-pacmanarrested)



CINCINNATI (AP)—Bengals cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones was arrested Sunday in Cincinnati on misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct while intoxicated and resisting arrest, adding to the list of off-the-field troubles that have marred his career.

The 27-year-old Jones was jailed around 3 a.m. and released later in the morning. Cincinnati media outlets reported documents filed in court accuse Jones of being disorderly and shouting profanities in a downtown bar and trying to pull away as officers arrested him.
Jones denied the allegations in an interview with WCPO-TV after leaving jail.

[JPhillips]

Probably upset that the bar ran out of chicken wings and watermelon.

Racism FTL!

[Ksyrup]

http://metasmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Thats_Racist_DeColores.gif

[Lathum]

Benson again

Cincinnati Bengals' Cedric Benson jailed on family-assault charge - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6777620/cincinnati-bengals-cedric-benson-jailed-family-assault-charge)

[kingfc22]

LOL