Huge contracts

[Northwood_DK]

In my draft pick dynasty (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=54714)I have now reached 2014 and some of the contracts have started to sky-rocket.

This is some of the more extreme contracts from this years FA.

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8-year veteran LDE Terry Robertson
He was the #1 overall pick in the 207 draft. Since he joined the Ravens he has now re-worked his contract 3 times. His rookie contract (2007) was a 5-year 33mil deal. In 2008 that was made in to a 4-year $10.5mil deal and in 2011 he resigned again for $56mil and another 4 years.
In the first week of FA he once again rework his deal with the Ravens and this time the contract is a 5-year deal worth $131.67mil with $85mil in guarantied bonus money!!!

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Another player with a huge contract is Tom Brady. He have been dominant in this league but only won a single Super Bowl since 2007. He has now played for 14 years and was this year offered a new 2-year deal worth $50mil with $47mil being guarantied bonus. His cap-cost for this season will be an incredible $46.32mil.

[Kodos]

He better hope that Jason Taylor has retired.

[DaddyTorgo]

what are your salary cap settings at?

[PSUColonel]

what are the reccomended salary cap settings if I may ask? any kind of consensus?

Thanks

[PSUColonel]

I am asking because I am getting ready to proceed out of year 1 in my league, and I want to make sure the "financial health" of the league is in tact before moving forward.

[Northwood_DK]

what are your salary cap settings at?

I use the default 20-80 Cap Range.

[PSUColonel]

how far into you league are you? How is the financial health of the league?

BTW isn't the default 28-80?

[PSUColonel]

anyone have an idea on this?

[Havok]

I brought this up in another thread.

In my game its happening to some teams also. With my cap at like 115 million. Matt Lienert was taking up 45 million of Arizona's cap. There was also another guy who had like 60 million in bonus money over 4 years.

And to PSU..... Ever since i've played FOF i've set the cap to go up 1 million per season. Because if i don't, by like 2030 the cap is like 200 million and its just to dam hard to manage. Guys are making 30 milion a year and it just doesn't feel right. I prefer lower salaries all around.

[PSUColonel]

that might be the reason for some of the problems you are experiencing

[PSUColonel]

Boy, no one seems to have an answer on this!! ;)


ps- I've heard everything form 50-80, 60-80 and default.

[Havok]

that might be the reason for some of the problems you are experiencing

well if the AI can't adjust to a slower raising salary cap then the AI sucks :)

[jbergey22]

I brought this up in another thread.

In my game its happening to some teams also. With my cap at like 115 million. Matt Lienert was taking up 45 million of Arizona's cap. There was also another guy who had like 60 million in bonus money over 4 years.

And to PSU..... Ever since i've played FOF i've set the cap to go up 1 million per season. Because if i don't, by like 2030 the cap is like 200 million and its just to dam hard to manage. Guys are making 30 milion a year and it just doesn't feel right. I prefer lower salaries all around.

In 2000
Drew Bledsoe was making 8.5 mill per year
In 2001 Kurt Warner signed a extension worth 47m w a 17.5 signing bonus
2004 Manning signed an extension paying him 99.2 m with a 34.5 signing bonus

With inflation and an escualating salary cap these numbers seem right on line. The highest pd QBs average salary doubled in 3 years. Assuming it were to double twice more before 2013 I dont see anything wrong with Leinherts contract or an of these actually.

EDIT: I spoke so soon these are the contracts at the time, if they are not being renogiated to be more cap friendly then there are some problems.

That Roberson in the first example must be some sort of animal, I dont ever remember seeing anything other the a QB or LT getting a huge contract close to that in FOF04.

This actually brings up another point. IRL Brady and Manning are renogiating their contracts every year to make themselves more cap friendly. It is very possible that the Pats or Colts could find themselves in these situations above. What are they going to do pay Manning or Brady 45 million for a couple of years from all of these years of backloading their contracts or release them and screw them over for all of the good things(including them willing to help the team by renogiating these contracts) they have done for their respective teams. There will be a time when the Colts and Pats have to either take their cap hit or release these hall of fame players. I am very curious to see what will actually happen.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Actually, if the NFL's salary cap keeps growing in leaps and bounds like it did this year and as projected next year, neither the Colts or Patriots, or others will have to worry about ever having to pay the piper. There also will be no need to renegotiate Manning or Brady.

[CU Tiger]

The other caaveat is the Aikman situation.

Once a player is no longer a player his money doesnt count against the cap.

Jones pushed Aikman's money until he retired and titled him as an advisor for a few years and paid him his money...No cap hit.

[Kobeck]

Don't think that is allowed anymore.

And the situation described for Manning and Brady is exactly the situation that McNair found himself in this spring when the Titans traded him for a 4th rounder. He had redone his contract so much that even playing for the Ravens this year McNair still costs the Titans over 10m in CAP this year. FWIW every time a player redoes his contract they convert future salary for current salary. Most anyone is willing to make that "sacrafice"

[Havok]

ok... this one bothers me alot


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this is my former team so i was looking at them after my second season away from them. Then i noticed this...... Your gonna sign a 7th year running back who 'MAYBE' has 3 good seasons left to a 6 year 120 million dollar contract with 70 million in bonus money???

This player will singlehandedly sink this team in a few years. They will either be stuck with a 30 million a year old/useless running back or they will release him and eat a TON of cap.

The cap space in this year is 123 million and going up 1 million per season.

[jbergey22]

Dude,
You have to realize that is 25 years from now.

20 years ago players werent making 1 million dollars a year, now the average salary is over 1 million dollars. If it werent 2030 I would be more concerned. ITs called inflation.

To make a comparison, if salaries esculate at the same pace they have over the next 25 years. The highest paid players 12 million a year will be the average salary in 25 years.

I guess I dont know what your settings are at, but this is not that unusual.

[Havok]

Dude,
You have to realize that is 25 years from now.

20 years ago players werent making 1 million dollars a year, now the average salary is over 1 million dollars. If it werent 2030 I would be more concerned. ITs called inflation.

To make a comparison, if salaries esculate at the same pace they have over the next 25 years. The highest paid players 12 million a year will be the average salary in 25 years.

I guess I dont know what your settings are at, but this is not that unusual.


dude,

my salary cap is exactly 20 million more then when i started. 1 million per year, so giving a 28 year old running back a 6 year 120 million dollar contract with 70 million in bonus money is fucking insanity.

This isn't rare either, i took over Cleveland and they had a 10th year RB who was WAY past his prime on the team with 3 years left in his contract. He had 12 million a year in bonus money alone. Plus another 6 mil, 9 mil and 12 mil in regular money.

This isn't/won't be normal no matter when it happens. No GM in their right mind is gonna give a 28/29 year old RB 70 million in bonus money, because most RB's are done at 30ish.

These kinds of things totally sink AI teams and thats why im bringing it up. Lets stop finding ridiculous excuses for these things... Jim isn't perfect and neither is this game. The best way to get it as close to perfect as possible is to bring these examples up so Jim can see them.

[jbergey22]

dude,

my salary cap is exactly 20 million more then when i started. 1 million per year, so giving a 28 year old running back a 6 year 120 million dollar contract with 70 million in bonus money is fucking insanity.

This isn't rare either, i took over Cleveland and they had a 10th year RB who was WAY past his prime on the team with 3 years left in his contract. He had 12 million a year in bonus money alone. Plus another 6 mil, 9 mil and 12 mil in regular money.

This isn't/won't be normal no matter when it happens. No GM in their right mind is gonna give a 28/29 year old RB 70 million in bonus money, because most RB's are done at 30ish.

These kinds of things totally sink AI teams and thats why im bringing it up. Lets stop finding ridiculous excuses for these things... Jim isn't perfect and neither is this game. The best way to get it as close to perfect as possible is to bring these examples up so Jim can see them.

So you are playing with 5% inflation or something close to that? Maybe the computer isnt taking the inflation % into consideration when making decisions.

I'm not making excuses for Jim, I am pointing out the simple fact that IRL in 25 years IF salaries continue to esculate as they have the average player will be making 10 million per year, so to give examples you must provide more information if you want to make a point.

[stevew]

It might be better if the game cap went up by percentages instead of a set amount? Cause every year it goes up by the same set amount, it goes up by less and less of a percentage. Maybe why the deals are so skewed sometimes?

[lynchjm24]

I think the whole damn thing would be simpler with no inflation at all.

[Icy]

I think the whole damn thing would be simpler with no inflation at all.

Can't you set the cap increase to 0-0 so it won't change?

[lynchjm24]

Can't you set the cap increase to 0-0 so it won't change?

I had never tried, if I can I'll do that. I guess this would be a solution for anyone who is complaining on this thread as well.

[Bode]

This problem happens no matter what your settings are from what I can tell. At the moment, the computer consistently makes horrible cap decisions with these insane large contracts to old players. I played a 15 year career and this happened too much for me to handle. Until it's fixed, I cant get any enjoyment out of single player. This bug makes the AI too bad to even build a multiyear dynasty.

To top it off after they sign these guys to insanity, they then release them in many cases to just totally screw themselves for 2 years because of future cap lost.