Werewolf XL: The Trial of the Aes Sedai (game over, AES SEDAI win)

[st.cronin]

In the Age of Legends, the Aes Sedai (servants of all) were men and women of exceptional ability in the One Power.

The One Power is divided into male and female halves, known respectively as saidin and saidar. Men who can channel do so using the male half and women use the female half. The greatest works of the Aes Sedai were always performed by groups of men and women channelling together.

Certain Aes Sedai felt that the separation of the two halves of the Power constrained them. Researchers working at the Collam Daan university discovered what they thought was a new source of power able to be channelled by both genders. Boring into it, they discovered that they had unwittingly enabled the Dark One, formerly imprisoned outside of Time, to influence the world. The former utopia began to slowly decline, until the outbreak of the War of Power, in which many Aes Sedai went over to the Shadow and commanded the armies of the Dark One. The thirteen most powerful 'dark' Aes Sedai were the Forsaken (or the Chosen, to those fighting for the Shadow).

The War is now long over; the Dark One has been imprisoned, along with the Forsaken. Or so it had been thought.

Strange and forbidding signs have lately bedeviled the land; war has broken out amongst formerly peaceful neighbors; and lately an accusation has been made that some of the Forsaken have escaped, and infiltrated the Aes Sedai.

Luther Su'fi, the Aes Sedai bringing the accusation, the next day is found dead, torn apart by the One Power.

Convening in the Hall of Servants, you realize that you can no longer trust any of your fellow Aes Sedai; any one of you could be Forsaken, or in league with them.

Player list:

1. Barkeep49 - killed night 2, of the Light
2. RPI-Fan - Tried day 2, passed, of the Light, Killed Night 5
3. Jonathan Ezarik
4. Mr. Wednesday - killed night 6, of the Light
5. Chief Rum
6. Anxiety - Killed Night 3, of the Light
7. Dodgerchick
8. path12 - Tried Day 1, gone insane, of the Light
9. Schmidty
10. Tyrith - Tried Day 3, cut off from the One Power, of the Light
11. Blade6119 - Tried day 6, FORSAKEN
12. BrianD - killed Night 4, of the Light
13. Lathum - Tried day 5, FORSAKEN
14. AlanT - killed night 6, FORSAKEN
15. spleen1015 - killed night 1, of the Light
16. LoneStarGirl - tried day 4, FORSAKEN
17. st.cronin - killed night 0, of the Light
18. LoneStarGirl - reincarnated, night 6

Rules: Each game day, all players vote for one player to be "Tried" as a Forsaken. This trial will result in the player's death if Forsaken. It is possible, but unlikely, for an Aes Sedai of the Light to survive the trial. The player with the most votes will be tried. The mechanic for breaking ties is not known to the players. Voting deadline will be 8pm Eastern Time. The game will begin with NIGHT ZERO. Not all players with night actions will have a move on night zero.

Roles: All roles will be surprises.

[Chief Rum]

I am on the side of Light, checking in. I have no abilities I have been told about to this point, but judging from the opening post, none of us do, except perhaps for the Forsaken.

The early deadline time means it is possible I won't be able to get a vote in tomorrow, as I am working from 11 a.m. EST to 8 p.m. EST, but I will try. If that's enough to hang me, so be it. If I am not dead, I will be around tomorrow night.

I will check in before I leave tomorrow to see if Night has become Day and I can put in a quickie vote.

[path12]

Another great layout. Checking in on the side of Light.

I have no abilities I have been told about to this point, but judging from the opening post, none of us do, except perhaps for the Forsaken.

Rules[/B]] Roles: All roles will be surprises.

I take it the other way. There could be lots of roles in this game.

[path12]

D'ohla. Bad formatting strikes again.

[Chief Rum]

D'ohla. Bad formatting strikes again.

You mean that bad won't know their roles either? But they will know they're bad, right? Even not knowing roles, but knowing they are abd and able to communicate will be a boon for them. They will probably have kill ability information revealed to them, too, wouldn't they? I mean, that's pretty critical for them.

So even if they don't know their roles, my guess is they will know what they truly need to know--and that's a lot more than us.

[Abe Sargent]

Im here. Yay! About time we got this game a movin'!

[path12]

You mean that bad won't know their roles either? But they will know they're bad, right? Even not knowing roles, but knowing they are abd and able to communicate will be a boon for them. They will probably have kill ability information revealed to them, too, wouldn't they? I mean, that's pretty critical for them.

So even if they don't know their roles, my guess is they will know what they truly need to know--and that's a lot more than us.

I just meant that it seems to me that if st.cronin says that all roles are surprises, I've gotta think that means there could be quite a few roles in the game, good or bad. I thought you were taking the position that there weren't a lot of roles.

[Chief Rum]

I just meant that it seems to me that if st.cronin says that all roles are surprises, I've gotta think that means there could be quite a few roles in the game, good or bad. I thought you were taking the position that there weren't a lot of roles.

Oh, no, not at all. Just that we were all (especially on the side of good) in the dark on what our roles are. And that, as of now, I don't have a role I have been told about or discovered yet.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I have received and read my role PM.

As usual, particularly in a hidden roles game, I will be keeping any and all information about my role (if any) to myself until I judge it appropriate to share.

[RPI-Fan]

Checking in on the side of light.

[spleen1015]

Good morning! Checking in.

[BrianD]

I'm in. Let's have a good game all.

[Barkeep49]

I am a good guy.

Path, I have to believe that while the baddies might not know the specifics of their role they know whether or not they've been corrupted by dark.

[Chief Rum]

Alas, I have run out of time. I am putting in a vote, although I don't know if it will count. This is a truly, completely random vote, and none of you should put any weight into it. I picked someone at random, with no evidence at all.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Sorry, Schmidty.

See you all tonight.

[spleen1015]

Oh, no, not at all. Just that we were all (especially on the side of good) in the dark on what our roles are. And that, as of now, I don't have a role I have been told about or discovered yet.

I take this to mean that the folks that have roles know what they are. The group just doesn't know what roles exist in the game.

Anyone with night actions has to know their role, otherwise they wouldn't be able to send in Night 0 actions.

[Alan T]

Since I have no special abilities, I have no idea what those who do know or don't know. Either way, I am here and checking in as a normal Aes Sedai.

[st.cronin]

Day 1 begins. All Aes Sedai are present and accounted for, except one - st.cronin is missing! An inspection of his chambers reveals that he and all his attendants and bodyguards have been slaughtered! How could this have happened without anybody hearing or sensing anything? Not one of you even sensed that the One Power was being used. It must be true, then - the Forsaken are among you.

DAY 1 has begun. Voting closes at 8pm Eastern Time. Chief Rum's vote will count, as will all votes made during the night period. One other note in answer to some pms - there are NO die rolls in this game. All results have been determined in advance.

[Lorena]

Got my role.

Could it be possible that maybe only 1 person knew they were Foresaken on Night 0 and as the game goes along some of the people on the "side of the light" will eventually find out that they are in fact Foresaken?

Just a thought.

[Alan T]

Got my role.

Could it be possible that maybe only 1 person knew they were Foresaken on Night 0 and as the game goes along some of the people on the "side of the light" will eventually find out that they are in fact Foresaken?

Just a thought.

Based on the storyline above, it sounds to me that the Forsaken were imprisoned, but escaped (or some of them escaped). So my guess is that those who are forsaken to start the game know so.

[Barkeep49]

What we need is somebody who knows Robert Jordan to help us here. While cronin has indicated such knowledge might be a penalty, I think some background knowledge would have to do us some good.

[Lorena]

Based on the storyline above, it sounds to me that the Forsaken were imprisoned, but escaped (or some of them escaped). So my guess is that those who are forsaken to start the game know so.


Strange and forbidding signs have lately bedeviled the land; war has broken out amongst formerly peaceful neighbors; and lately an accusation has been made that some of the Forsaken have escaped, and infiltrated the Aes Sedai.

Whoops, there it is. It might help if I actually READ the story more carefully instead of skimming through it.

[st.cronin]

What we need is somebody who knows Robert Jordan to help us here.

No, you really don't. For one thing, I only read two of his books, and the storyline above only barely resembles anything that happened in Jordan's world (I think). Also, what could happen in the game will not be based on anything that I read in Jordan's books. That's why I said it would be a penalty - this was a deliberate design decision on my part.

[Barkeep49]

Ok evidently we DON'T need some Robert Jordan knowledge.

[st.cronin]

Ok evidently we DON'T need some Robert Jordan knowledge.

:D

[spleen1015]

Okay, so I am throwing out 11 books of knowledge and just going by what's been given to me by st.cronin. Sweetness.

[BrianD]

Okay, so I am throwing out 11 books of knowledge and just going by what's been given to me by st.cronin. Sweetness.

Which basically means that you've thrown out 10 books of dress descriptions and men and women being unable to talk to each other and 1 book of story. :)

I wouldn't expect book knowledge to be overly helpful anyway. The Forsaken were very powerful bad Aes Sedai from the past, and current bad Aes Sedai tend to know some in their group, but not everyone. It would be very easy to believe the bad guys know each other, or know nobody.

[path12]

Path, I have to believe that while the baddies might not know the specifics of their role they know whether or not they've been corrupted by dark.

Oh, I agree -- barring a conversion type of role where an original good guy/gal can be turned.

[Lathum]

Checking in. Does anyone think it is possible only one of the Forsaken is free and they may have the option to either kill or set another free at night?

Just throwing it out there in case there is a night with no kill.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Checking in with another vanilla role on the side of Light. Hmm, vanilla.

[path12]

Checking in. Does anyone think it is possible only one of the Forsaken is free and they may have the option to either kill or set another free at night?

Just throwing it out there in case there is a night with no kill.

Anything is possible at this point. I'd look more for a foiled attack or conversion -- but since we don't know what state the bad guys are in right now that's a good theory too.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Oh, and the first person that tugs their hair in frustration gets my lynch vote. :)

[Barkeep49]

Oh, I agree -- barring a conversion type of role where an original good guy/gal can be turned.
Yeah I think a conversion is possible.

Now, what's the point of doing a N0 if no body knew their role? I think when cronin says all roles will be surprises it is more likely to mean that it is a hidden roles game. If the good guys, however, truly are starting without a bodyguard or seer then I would have to think the bad guys don't know who each other are.

[spleen1015]

Oh, and the first person that tugs their hair in frustration gets my lynch vote. :)

Just when I was going to tug my braid.

If Dodgerchick or LSG goes Nynaeve in this game, I am quitting.

[Alan T]

Yeah I think a conversion is possible.

Now, what's the point of doing a N0 if no body knew their role? I think when cronin says all roles will be surprises it is more likely to mean that it is a hidden roles game. If the good guys, however, truly are starting without a bodyguard or seer then I would have to think the bad guys don't know who each other are.

I guess I don't understand what started the topic that good guys with roles might not know them. I don't see anything that made me think that. My thought was that this is simply just a hidden role game. We don't know whats out there and might or might not find out as we continue.

Just when I was going to tug my braid.

If Dodgerchick or LSG goes Nynaeve in this game, I am quitting.


What does going Nynaeve mean? Wikipedia says she is a character in the story, but I don't know anything about the stories.

[BrianD]

What does going Nynaeve mean? Wikipedia says she is a character in the story, but I don't know anything about the stories.

She is a typical woman (in the world of Robert Jordan) who thinks she knows better than any man and is a bit of a bully. She is likely to tell anyone (man or woman) just exactly what they should be doing at any given time.

[Alan T]

She is a typical woman (in the world of Robert Jordan) who thinks she knows better than any man and is a bit of a bully. She is likely to tell anyone (man or woman) just exactly what they should be doing at any given time.

Oh ok. so basically my ex-wife. got it.

[spleen1015]

BrianD summed her up well. :)

[Lorena]

Oh ok. so basically my ex-wife. got it.

lol

[Lathum]

She is a typical woman (in the world of Robert Jordan) who thinks she knows better than any man and is a bit of a bully. She is likely to tell anyone (man or woman) just exactly what they should be doing at any given time.

so basicaly every woman...

ducks

[Barkeep49]

As I don't know whether I'll be on again later or not, I'll Vote Lathum for the sexist joke.

[Lorena]

so basicaly every woman...

ducks

http://cafe.mobil.hr/images/smilies/bojo.gif

[LoneStarGirl]

Well I am here. I forgot the game started today so good thing I checked FOFC. I dont have to work till Monday so I should be able to contribute as much as usual, if not more.

[Lathum]

well ok then.

I'll VOTE BARKEEP

my reason is actually in the past when we have had hidden role games he has been very vocal in people possibly revealing their roles early to start a COT but today has been quiet about that.

I know it's not much but since he also voted for me it makes sense,

[Tyrith]

Lathum, you should know better than insult women, after all they do for us :P

I may not be around much today, or tomorrow for that matter, so I'm gonna put out a vote now just so there is on there. I think Alan has had this one coming for a while :P

VOTE ALANT

[Schmidty]

Oops, I just noticed that my role PM was sent.

I'm here and checking in.

[Alan T]

Lathum, you should know better than insult women, after all they do for us :P

I may not be around much today, or tomorrow for that matter, so I'm gonna put out a vote now just so there is on there. I think Alan has had this one coming for a while :P

VOTE ALANT

I would yell and scream back and such.. but after being up all night sick.. I just don't have the energy :)

P.S. this is the second time in the last 40 days I got sick eating something. Last night it was trying a brazillian place in town that I had never been to (and likely never will go back to again). Good news is that it has allowed me plenty of time to lay in bed and watch tv today. (Watching traffic currently)

[spleen1015]

How much fun is watching traffic?

[Alan T]

How much fun is watching traffic?

Watching the movie traffic, not actually looking out the window :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I see DC has tapped into bulletsponge's smiley library. :p

[Blade6119]

i really wanted to vote schmidty or alan becuase i hate them both very much, but they already have votes.

:)

VOTE DODGERCHICK

By the way DC, ive got a new story for ya next time we chat

[Lorena]

i really wanted to vote schmidty or alan becuase i hate them both very much, but they already have votes.

:)

VOTE DODGERCHICK

By the way DC, ive got a new story for ya next time we chat

Is it another obsessive chick that wants to have your children? Damn Blade, how many times do I have to tell you not to piss people off so they can set you up with unstable women? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah:

VOTE BLADE

Right back at ya ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Wow, I have NO IDEA where to send my vote today. Beside me I have my trusty blue d20. I roll it and reroll any result greater than 16. I'll vote for whoever I roll. Here we go....

I rolled a 3. Therefore,

Vote Jonathan E


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Note that I had the same chance of rolling myself as I did anybody else.

[BrianD]

Not a whole lot to go on so far today, so....since today is Wednesday...

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[Mr. Wednesday]

Anxiety, I recommend random.org. They have a lot-drawing utility so that you don't have to worry about overrolling. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've still got an axe to grind from way back, so:
VOTE RPI-Fan

[Alan T]

As far as I can tell, everyone has checked in. Still some folks with votes out there to make (including me). I'll go ahead and thank Tyrith for voting for me and return the favor.

Vote Tyrith

[Schmidty]

Random Vote:

Vote BrianD


No reason, and no offense.

[Schmidty]

i really wanted to vote schmidty or alan becuase i hate them both very much, but they already have votes.


You hate me? I thought we were cool now.

Oh well.

[spleen1015]

VOTE path12

I'm not voting for someone who has a vote, so I'll vote this way.

I don't know my availability before deadline, so I'm voting now.

[LoneStarGirl]

lol
Who to vote for who to vote for.... This is a hard one. I dont hate anybody although Blade and Alant annoy me sometime; but both of them have votes...

[LoneStarGirl]

who has a vote count?

[LoneStarGirl]

Well Spleen doesn't have a vote on him. so lets put that out there

vote spleen

[Lathum]

lol, 16 way tie

[Alan T]

who has a vote count?

(1) Schmidty - Chief (14)
(1) Lathum - Barkeep (40)
(1) Barkeep - Lathum (43)
(1) Alan - Tyrith (44)
(1) Dodgerchick - Blade (50)
(1) Blade - Dodgerchick (51)
(1) Jonathan - Anxiety (52)
(1) Mr. Wednesday - BrianD (54)
(1) RpI - Mr. Wednesday (56)
(1) Tyrith - Alan (57)
(1) Brian - Schmidty (58)
(1) path - Spleen (60)
(1) Spleen - lonestargirl (63)


I'm going to try to sleep for a bit, not sure if I'll be back before deadline or not. Should be an interesting finish.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, I recommend random.org. They have a lot-drawing utility so that you don't have to worry about overrolling. :)

I guess Im old school in this regard. I want my numbers to come from dice.

[Abe Sargent]

I think a Day One where everybody votes for a different person would be *interesting* for the GM. I know I'd have to make a ruling immediately.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I rolled a d20, too, and came up with a '3' twice in a row. :( I'll take that as a sign that Anxiety has some Dark power mojo and can control my die rolls.

VOTE Anxiety

[Blade6119]

You hate me? I thought we were cool now.

Oh well.
It was a joke schmidty, but i guess im not funny :(

:p

[Blade6119]

I rolled a d20, too, and came up with a '3' twice in a row. :( I'll take that as a sign that Anxiety has some Dark power mojo and can control my die rolls.

VOTE Anxiety

And hes voting for you, im sure that had nothing to do with your random dice rolls :rolleyes:

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I guess I'm not funny, either. :(

[Blade6119]

I told you, i have no sense of humor. Ignore me...im going to go sulk

[Lorena]

It was a joke schmidty, but i guess im not funny :(

:D

I guess I'm not funny, either. :(

:D

There, so neither of you feels bad ;)

So we have a 17 way tie? Dang, is this like a first or something?

[Lorena]

dola,

I ain't moving my vote either. The last time I placed the second vote on someone my ass was out.

[Blade6119]

Is it another obsessive chick that wants to have your children? Damn Blade, how many times do I have to tell you not to piss people off so they can set you up with unstable women? :rolleyes:
Its far worse then the normal run of the mill stalker...morally at least.

[path12]

I could throw out a vote on someone who doesn't have one yet but this is just getting silly. On the other hand, nobody wants to be the first to put the second vote on someone, especially day one. And nobody has really done anything suspicious.

Sigh. Random.org take me away..........and the winner is lucky number five:

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Guess I could put a single still out there anyway. Thank you random.org.

[Lorena]

So if everyone sticks with their votes, RPI might be the deciding vote; unless he votes for LSG.

[spleen1015]

I hope he votes for LSG just to see what happens.

[path12]

So if everyone sticks with their votes, RPI might be the deciding vote; unless he votes for LSG.

I'd rather see us condense the candidates. I think it makes it way too easy for evil to sway the vote at the end this way......plus it also puts our good roles in too much danger for last-minute hijinks.

[Alan T]

I'd rather see us condense the candidates. I think it makes it way too easy for evil to sway the vote at the end this way......plus it also puts our good roles in too much danger for last-minute hijinks.

If you are of this opinion, why did you place the vote you just did a little bit ago that spread the field out a bit more? Isn't it a bit convienant to try to talk others into doing the deed when you could just as easily?

[path12]

If you are of this opinion, why did you place the vote you just did a little bit ago that spread the field out a bit more? Isn't it a bit convienant to try to talk others into doing the deed when you could just as easily?


Because I went random. Fully expected to have it hit someone who already had a vote.

But you're right, if I'm going to suggest it I should make a move:

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE TYRITH

Once again, this vote is brought to you by random.org.

[Alan T]

So two things popping into my mind right now.

1) Its 14 minutes till deadline and no one seems overly concerned that Tyrith is in line currently to be lynched. With time remaining, it would have been plenty of time to give bad guys wiggle room to save a fellow bad guy. Could the lack of activity be a sign that we shouldn't be lynching Tyrith?

2) Is RPI going to vote today? I think he is the only person not having voted yet.

[Alan T]

Going to move my vote, guess I'll either be a good night target tonight if I guess correct, or a good day vote target tommorrow if I guess incorrectly.

something about Path doesn't sit right with me.

I'm supposed to believe that he managed to hit a 12% chance of having random.org hit one of two people who didn't have a vote, then turn around and say we shouldn't have it tied all at 1.

Then after I pointed out the flaw in that logic, he turns around and randomly votes again thanks to random.org and happens to land on the same person I voted for after being the one to point out that logic flaw to him?

I haven't seen any movement to try to save Tyrith since then, I am believing he likely is good. I also notice Path hanging around almost eager to see how it turns out.

Unvote Tyrith
vote path

Guess I can be a hero or a goat here.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree with your logic AlanT. I won;t punish you tomorrow if it turns outwrong.

[Lathum]

did I miss something? We are past deadline, correct?

[Abe Sargent]

Yes

[st.cronin]

deadline is 6 pm my time, which I believe is now

[st.cronin]

I have


2 path12 - spleen1015, AlanT
1 Schmidty - Chief Rum
1 Barkeep - Lathum
1 Alan T - Tyrith
1 Dodgerchick - Blade6119
1 Blade - Dodgerchick
1 Jonathan E - Anxiety
1 Mr. Wednesday - Brian D
1 RPI-Fan - Mr. Wednesday
1 Tyrith - path12
1 Brian D - Schmidty
1 spleen1015 - LoneStarGirl
1 Anxiety - Jonathan E

results coming

[Lathum]

deadline is 6 pm my time, which I believe is now
front page says 8:000 est which was an hour ago. I don't care either way but I think we need to get it straight for the sake of consistancy.

[Alan T]

Day 1 begins. All Aes Sedai are present and accounted for, except one - st.cronin is missing! An inspection of his chambers reveals that he and all his attendants and bodyguards have been slaughtered! How could this have happened without anybody hearing or sensing anything? Not one of you even sensed that the One Power was being used. It must be true, then - the Forsaken are among you.

DAY 1 has begun. Voting closes at 8pm Eastern Time. Chief Rum's vote will count, as will all votes made during the night period. One other note in answer to some pms - there are NO die rolls in this game. All results have been determined in advance.

This is the post i was going by when I thought the deadline was 8pm Eastern which was 70 minutes ago.

[st.cronin]

Knowing that one of you at least is Forsaken, but with nobody willing to come out and accuse anybody directly, you decide more or less at random to Try path12. He is commanded to disrobe, and pass through the Arches designed to kill the Forsaken. He passes through the archway and ... vanishes. This was unexpected. You exchange puzzled glances with each other. What happened to him? As you examine the arches, suddenly he emerges from the other side - alive, but completely insane.

path12 is out of the game - he was of the Light
Night 1 has begun - deadline 6 am my time (8am Eastern time)

[st.cronin]

This is the post i was going by when I thought the deadline was 8pm Eastern which was 70 minutes ago.

Yikes, I just looked at the clock and it actually is 7 oclock my time. My bad fellas. I apparently can't tell time.

[Lathum]

Yikes, I just looked at the clock and it actually is 7 oclock my time. My bad fellas. I apparently can't tell time.

lol

[path12]

I also notice Path hanging around almost eager to see how it turns out.

Unvote Tyrith
vote path

Guess I can be a hero or a goat here.

Dude, I left work at 4:40 Pacific and popped in for about 30 seconds before that. A far cry from how you describe it.

[Barkeep49]

my reason is actually in the past when we have had hidden role games he has been very vocal in people possibly revealing their roles early to start a COT but today has been quiet about that.

Actually there are a couple of things which have prevented me from doing so this game.

1. I only do that in games where all people have roles
2. There's a high likelihood that people don't know their secret roles mitigating the usefulness of mass role reveals, wouldn't you say?

[path12]

Oops, didn't notice I was dead. Bad move. See ya next time.

[Alan T]

Dude, I left work at 4:40 Pacific and popped in for about 30 seconds before that. A far cry from how you describe it.

I was wrong. I'm sure you're telling the truth, but all I saw was the last hour before deadline, no one actively trying to save Tyrith, and you were hanging around on the forum without saying anything. Guess the forum shows you as here even after leaving for a bit.

You'll probably get revenged tommorrow I guess as I'll be a likely target for votes.

[Lathum]

Actually there are a couple of things which have prevented me from doing so this game.

1. I only do that in games where all people have roles
2. There's a high likelihood that people don't know their secret roles mitigating the usefulness of mass role reveals, wouldn't you say?

BK, I agree with you however I don't thhink role reveals are ever a good thing

[Blade6119]

BK, I agree with you however I don't thhink role reveals are ever a good thing

What about my required 6 times a game reveals? Are those good? :)

[Lorena]

Guess the forum shows you as here even after leaving for a bit.

Yes, that is true. There have been times when I check the board, log off and come on my daughter's computer as a guest and it still shows me as logged on.

Dunno how that happens, but it does.

[Lathum]

What about my required 6 times a game reveals? Are those good? :)

sure as long as I can tell which one is true...

[Barkeep49]

BK, I agree with you however I don't thhink role reveals are ever a good thing
Well then that's where we'll have to disagree on basic villager strategy then.

[Barkeep49]

The board shows someone as having been on even up to 3-5 minutes I think after they've left.

[BrianD]

Sorry I wasn't around at lynch time. I got hooked into Guitar Hero 2 and I could tear myself away. I've also got an all day meeting tomorrow (if I remember correctly), but I will try to break away to check in if possible.

[Chief Rum]

Loooong day. Expect two more the next couple. So I hope I can contribute while I am here tonight. What a weird day. No bad blood at all? No ripping comments? Are we truly sheep then?

I guess I must be then, too, because I'm not inclined to vote for Alan. I understand his reasoning completely for the switch, although since we have no information for what happens in a tie, it might have been a good move to leave it as some huge free-for-all tie. Of course, Alan's decision was not the one that removed that, but path's (albeit with goading).

I side with BK in a hidden roles game like this. It might be a good idea to do some role revealing if you have one, so long as it is not a truly critical one (if that is possible). I don't advocate seers and bodyguards and dukes coming out, but if there is some other fairly innocuous roles out there, it might be a good idea to reveal them. I still don't have a role that I am aware of (FWIW).

In any case, I don't think any such reveals should happen until a night phase has passed, though. We may learn some things of value tonight that could make this strategy more risky or moot.

[Abe Sargent]

Still waiting for the Nigha ctions but guess I just have to head to bed.

[Chief Rum]

Still waiting for the Nigha ctions but guess I just have to head to bed.

I, too, was hoping to see some night actions, as I am egtting ready for work right now. I will check back in before I leave, but I may need to put in another pre-day vote. I'm still hoping a night phase will provide us with more information on who to vote for, because we have precious little right now.

[st.cronin]

results coming - sorry for the lateness

[st.cronin]

You awake at dawn, and are horrified to discover that spleen1015 is missing! In his chambers, you discover all his attendants, slaughtered, and spleen - turned inside out.

Day 2 has begun - vote deadline 8pm ET (really)

[st.cronin]

2 game notes

Schedule for the weekend will be the same as during the week. 8 pm voting deadlines, 8 am night deadlines.

Also if you have a night action available and are NOT planning to use it, please send me a pm telling me you choose not to use it. I like to process the night right away, but I have to wait to hear from everybody to do so.

Thank you!

[Chief Rum]

results coming - sorry for the lateness

Don't worry about it. I remember how hard night phases were to figure out as a GM. :)

I have no idea how other GMs get it done, including PMs, so fast.

[Chief Rum]

Alas, the death of spleen also gives me little information I can use right now.

I will have to go with the UTR vote, and VOTE RPIFAN

It's a crappy vote, though, and don't blame RPI if he turns it around on me. I am hoping we get some more information from revealing any other pertinent information which may have come up last night. It was a quiet and dull night for me.

See everyone tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Also dull and quiet here. It's clear people are upholding their pledges to play a quieter game, which certainly does not feel like it's helping the good guys at this point.

[Alan T]

Well last night's kill was bad for me, but probably good overall for the light all things considered. With it being a hidden roles game, I am unsure if we'll know when our important roles are killed off, but I can safely tell people that spleen was not an important role.

Its bad for me because Spleen and I both got the same starter PM. Neither of us had any special abilities and simply started out knowing the other was on the side of light.

So we didn't lose our seer or bodyguard or anything last night.

I also received an interesting PM last night that named someone that I had vivid dreams about. I am not quite sure what to make of it. My first guesses are either that person is our seer or a seer type role who scanned me, or perhaps it was the person responsible for killing Spleen and somehow I dreamt about his death.

[BrianD]

I was wrong about my all day meeting which is really tomorrow, so I should be here all day.

I think Alan's late move yesterday is worth watching. His reasoning for moving the vore was fine, but it would also be a good bad guy play. Worth watching at least...

[Barkeep49]

So Alan you're saying we won't learn the roles of killed people?

[Alan T]

So Alan you're saying we won't learn the roles of killed people?

Well so far we've just been told that someone was on the side of the light or not. So since nothing else has been mentioned, I am guessing that is the case. Also I wasn't given a role name or anything such myself, just a description of being a normal Aes Sedai, being on the side of the light and having no special abilities. So I am guessing people are going to be revealed as on side of light or not from what we have seen so far.

[BrianD]

Well so far we've just been told that someone was on the side of the light or not. So since nothing else has been mentioned, I am guessing that is the case. Also I wasn't given a role name or anything such myself, just a description of being a normal Aes Sedai, being on the side of the light and having no special abilities. So I am guessing people are going to be revealed as on side of light or not from what we have seen so far.

This matches my interpretation of the rules. We get to know the good/bad affiliation of the player, but not what their role was. I rather like this setup since fake reveals will be tougher.

[BrianD]

Just to jumpstart things a bit today...

Spleen voted for Path yesterday along with AlanT. Since Path was good, we can probably assume that there was no real good reason to kill Spleen. There is at least a slight possibility that Alan may have wanted to kill Spleen to make it look like he himself may be an eventual target.

LSG voted for Spleen. I would guess that LSG wouldn't vote for Spleen and then kill him later in a night action. If she was bad, she would probably not want to continue their association with a death. At this point, she is slightly higher than neutral in my mind.

[Alan T]

Just to jumpstart things a bit today...

Spleen voted for Path yesterday along with AlanT. Since Path was good, we can probably assume that there was no real good reason to kill Spleen. There is at least a slight possibility that Alan may have wanted to kill Spleen to make it look like he himself may be an eventual target.

LSG voted for Spleen. I would guess that LSG wouldn't vote for Spleen and then kill him later in a night action. If she was bad, she would probably not want to continue their association with a death. At this point, she is slightly higher than neutral in my mind.

Spleen and I did not have PM abilities together. Just knowledge of each other. So we didn't really vote together or have any conversation about who to vote for. My vote for path was independant of him voting for him based on the flawed reasons I gave yesterday

[Barkeep49]

I think we learned little yesterday based on the spread of the votes and lack of discussion.

[Lorena]

I was kind of expecting a PM considering that my initial PM stated I started off good in the beginning... oh well.

I know LSG and Spleen have had a history, so I'm not entirely sure if his death last night had anything to do with that.

[BrianD]

Spleen and I did not have PM abilities together. Just knowledge of each other. So we didn't really vote together or have any conversation about who to vote for. My vote for path was independant of him voting for him based on the flawed reasons I gave yesterday

I forgot that you mentioned having knowledge of Spleen, but I find that situation interesting as well. Two people with knowledge of each other in the game (the only two?) and one of them gets killed while coincidentally voting with the other.

[Alan T]

I was kind of expecting a PM considering that my initial PM stated I started off good in the beginning... oh well.

I know LSG and Spleen have had a history, so I'm not entirely sure if his death last night had anything to do with that.

I don't think I understand the first part of your statement here. I am good, but fully wasn't expecting any PMs. The fact I got one still is befuddling me some since its nothing to do with my role as far as I am aware.

[BrianD]

I was kind of expecting a PM considering that my initial PM stated I started off good in the beginning... oh well.

I know LSG and Spleen have had a history, so I'm not entirely sure if his death last night had anything to do with that.

It could have, but I would expect LSG to stay far away from Spleen if she was bad. There is just too much of a connection there to go after him first.

[Alan T]

I forgot that you mentioned having knowledge of Spleen, but I find that situation interesting as well. Two people with knowledge of each other in the game (the only two?) and one of them gets killed while coincidentally voting with the other.


I don't know that I read anything much from that. I looked back over and think both of us made sure to not clue anyone in to our affiliation. I wondered this morning for a bit after the night actions were processed if I might have said or done something that got spleen killed, but I don't think there was anything to draw attention to him based on what I said yesterday. I don't think their night kill of him had much to do with me personally.

[Lorena]

I don't think I understand the first part of your statement here. I am good, but fully wasn't expecting any PMs. The fact I got one still is befuddling me some since its nothing to do with my role as far as I am aware.

My PM said that at the beginning I would have no abilities. I'm not entirely sure what that means but I interpreted as I might get a PM at some point. Maybe it doesn't mean jack... who knows.

It could have, but I would expect LSG to stay far away from Spleen if she was bad. There is just too much of a connection there to go after him first.

Baddies do some strange things sometimes.

[BrianD]

I don't know that I read anything much from that. I looked back over and think both of us made sure to not clue anyone in to our affiliation. I wondered this morning for a bit after the night actions were processed if I might have said or done something that got spleen killed, but I don't think there was anything to draw attention to him based on what I said yesterday. I don't think their night kill of him had much to do with me personally.

Well, it would have much to do with you personally if you killed him. No accusations yet, but I am wondering outloud to find out what other people think.

You may very well be telling the truth (as it would be easier to keep quiet if you are bad), but you could also be planting the seeds of being good in hopes of people never really suspecting you.

Why did you mention that you knew of him initially? Does that provide any benefit to the good team, or are you just trying to associate yourself with a known good guy?

[Barkeep49]

Dodger perhaps the trigger for your role hasn't happened yet? Perhaps you truly have no role?

[Barkeep49]

Brian I've been struggling with Alan's play as well since I could see him doing it as a bad guy.

[Alan T]

My PM said that at the beginning I would have no abilities. I'm not entirely sure what that means but I interpreted as I might get a PM at some point. Maybe it doesn't mean jack... who knows.



Baddies do some strange things sometimes.

Ah ok, your PM is worded differently than mine then. Mine just says I have no special abilities. I see what you are saying now that it leads you to think you might gain some at some point.

[Alan T]

Well, it would have much to do with you personally if you killed him. No accusations yet, but I am wondering outloud to find out what other people think.

You may very well be telling the truth (as it would be easier to keep quiet if you are bad), but you could also be planting the seeds of being good in hopes of people never really suspecting you.

Why did you mention that you knew of him initially? Does that provide any benefit to the good team, or are you just trying to associate yourself with a known good guy?

I simply stated my affiliation with him when I did because with him dead, it shouldn't buy me any trust at all. I didn't put it out there with the expectation of buying trust, but more so I am wondering if it has anything to do with the PM I received last night.

A reveal like mine is one that doesn't hurt good guys any or help bad guys any to put out now at this point and it would probably seem or feel completely bogus if I put it out there if my neck was in a noose.

I'm not asking to buy trust from my reveal, and simply didn't see any reason to hide my information any longer since it didn't hurt or help anyone by revealing it. I would think a much bigger statement for my being good will be the lack of anyone coming out and saying I am bad today or the next two days.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I think I got a similar initial PM like Dodgerchick's (and probably others, it sounds like). My PM doesn't say I'll get any abilities, but it hints that I could in the future. I was hoping something would happen last night to trigger a change for me, but no dice.

[Lathum]

I can't help but think this is an attempt by AlanT to gain some trust by saying he was linked with a known good guy who is now dead just because he voted with him

[BrianD]

I simply stated my affiliation with him when I did because with him dead, it shouldn't buy me any trust at all. I didn't put it out there with the expectation of buying trust, but more so I am wondering if it has anything to do with the PM I received last night.

A reveal like mine is one that doesn't hurt good guys any or help bad guys any to put out now at this point and it would probably seem or feel completely bogus if I put it out there if my neck was in a noose.

I'm not asking to buy trust from my reveal, and simply didn't see any reason to hide my information any longer since it didn't hurt or help anyone by revealing it. I would think a much bigger statement for my being good will be the lack of anyone coming out and saying I am bad today or the next two days.

Are you saying that because you think you were scanned last night? I'm not sure how not being called bad would mean you are good otherwise.

I agree that your reveal doesn't really help or hurt anyone. I'm just thinking that I might have kept it to myself since it didn't really help. I suppose though, that letting the bad guys know there might be more information out there than they realize could shake things up a bit.

You are just one of those people that always seem to be playing an angle, so I feel the need to try to identify it. :)

[Alan T]

I can't help but think this is an attempt by AlanT to gain some trust by saying he was linked with a known good guy who is now dead just because he voted with him

I don't think you really read what I wrote today.

I said the exact opposite, that my voting for path had nothing to do with him or our role.

[BrianD]

Do we really think it is wise to talk about the possibility of getting future abilities? Aren't you pretty much announcing that you are either a possible conversion target, or just a good person to get rid of?

[Alan T]

Are you saying that because you think you were scanned last night? I'm not sure how not being called bad would mean you are good otherwise.

I agree that your reveal doesn't really help or hurt anyone. I'm just thinking that I might have kept it to myself since it didn't really help. I suppose though, that letting the bad guys know there might be more information out there than they realize could shake things up a bit.

You are just one of those people that always seem to be playing an angle, so I feel the need to try to identify it. :)


Well its more that I am interested in people's thoughts on what I presented.

Everyone is so caught up over the whole "What angle is Alan T playing" that no one is commenting on the thing that I am most looking for other's thoughts on.

I am someone with no special actions.

I was in a secret society with Spleen and knew he was good, and he knew i was good to start.

Spleen and I had no PM rights with each other.

The other person in my secret society last night got killed.

I got a PM that I was not expecting saying I had explecitily vivid dreams about PlayerX


I am really trying to figure out what I should assume about PlayerX now.

I don't have any ability to have initiated this dream, so I assume this dream was imposed on me by something someone else did.

My only thoughts are:

1) It was PlayerX scanning me for some reason (seer, anti-seer, etc)
2) It was PlayerX killing Spleen and it somehow causing me to dream about them for some unknown reason to me.
3) It is just white noise that I got for who knows what reason that St.Cronin threw out.


I don't really feel 3 is likely since I don't understand why I would have received it without -some- purpose.

So I am leaning to #1 and 2.. I would be interested in other people's thoughts.

[Lorena]

I was in a secret society with Spleen and knew he was good, and he knew i was good to start.

Spleen and I had no PM rights with each other.

I just looked back and the only association I saw between you and spleen was you guys talking about traffic and both voting for the same person (path).

[BrianD]

I think I would treat the dream as neutral right now unless you got any details which would shift things in either direction. The world of dreams plays a pretty big role in the books, but it is a very neutral setting. The good guys and the bad guys have access to it, and depending on their skills, they can have great power there. I can really see that setting being used for good and bad.

Most people have to put themselves into the world of dreams (sort of like astral projection), but others touch the world of dreams through regular dreaming. It tends to be fleeting and treated like a normal dream.

[Lorena]

dola,

I might have an idea on what you're saying Alan... I had a similar role before.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Alan,

What kind of information did your PM give you? Just the name of the person? Or did it include details of the dream?

[Alan T]

Alan,

What kind of information did your PM give you? Just the name of the person? Or did it include details of the dream?

No details about the dreams. Just that I had really vivid dreams of the person.

[BrianD]

No details about the dreams. Just that I had really vivid dreams of the person.

I think you'll probably have to re-visit this dream in a few days when more information is out. You may have had the dream because this person visited you, or it may be that you got the random mini-glimpse for the night.

[Alan T]

I think you'll probably have to re-visit this dream in a few days when more information is out. You may have had the dream because this person visited you, or it may be that you got the random mini-glimpse for the night.

Well other than this dream, I have 0 knowledge of anyone else or what they are up to this game. Without much conversation other than the "Is Alan good or bad" which doesn't help me learn much about anyone, this dream PM is the only thing I have to go on.

Do you think I should trust this person more or less than neutral? If I assume its an indication of being scanned, and the person comes out at me in a tone of hinting that I might be bad , should I toss out the thought that person is a seer type and assume the worst of that person?

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t know if I like all this talk about the initial PMs.

[BrianD]

Well other than this dream, I have 0 knowledge of anyone else or what they are up to this game. Without much conversation other than the "Is Alan good or bad" which doesn't help me learn much about anyone, this dream PM is the only thing I have to go on.

Do you think I should trust this person more or less than neutral? If I assume its an indication of being scanned, and the person comes out at me in a tone of hinting that I might be bad , should I toss out the thought that person is a seer type and assume the worst of that person?

With that series of events I would probably throw out the idea of that person being a seer, but I wouldn't necessarily assume the worst. That person may have been watching you to see if you were going to do something bad, or they may have just been watching over you. If the person is hinting that you might be bad (and you aren't), about all I'd assume is that the person doesn't have any special knowledge about you.

[Lathum]

I don't think you really read what I wrote today.

I said the exact opposite, that my voting for path had nothing to do with him or our role.

Alan, all I am saying is you are assosiating yourself with Spleen who is now dead and there is really no way to confirm or deny what you are saying.

[spleen1015]

Well, that's definitely a big bummer. Good luck to the Light!

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don;t know if I like all this talk about the initial PMs.
I agree with Brian that some people aside from Alan are being much too forthcoming with information that's liable to both a) put a target on their backs and b) deprive us of a useful player later in the game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, any particular reason why you're revealing this bit about you and spleen being part of a secret society right now? Obviously, he can't confirm it, and clearly, we have no indication that spleen actually was in the society.

[Alan T]

Alan, any particular reason why you're revealing this bit about you and spleen being part of a secret society right now? Obviously, he can't confirm it, and clearly, we have no indication that spleen actually was in the society.

I am not sure why people keep glossing over what I wrote, or ignoring it. THis was asked earlier too, and I responded to this question with this answer:

I simply stated my affiliation with him when I did because with him dead, it shouldn't buy me any trust at all. I didn't put it out there with the expectation of buying trust, but more so I am wondering if it has anything to do with the PM I received last night.

A reveal like mine is one that doesn't hurt good guys any or help bad guys any to put out now at this point and it would probably seem or feel completely bogus if I put it out there if my neck was in a noose.

I'm not asking to buy trust from my reveal, and simply didn't see any reason to hide my information any longer since it didn't hurt or help anyone by revealing it. I would think a much bigger statement for my being good will be the lack of anyone coming out and saying I am bad today or the next two days.

Like I said, I didn't do it to buy any trust or anything. I'm just looking for other people's thoughts on what I received last night to give me other people's opinions.

Well its more that I am interested in people's thoughts on what I presented.

Everyone is so caught up over the whole "What angle is Alan T playing" that no one is commenting on the thing that I am most looking for other's thoughts on.

I am someone with no special actions.

I was in a secret society with Spleen and knew he was good, and he knew i was good to start.

Spleen and I had no PM rights with each other.

The other person in my secret society last night got killed.

I got a PM that I was not expecting saying I had explecitily vivid dreams about PlayerX


I am really trying to figure out what I should assume about PlayerX now.

I don't have any ability to have initiated this dream, so I assume this dream was imposed on me by something someone else did.

My only thoughts are:

1) It was PlayerX scanning me for some reason (seer, anti-seer, etc)
2) It was PlayerX killing Spleen and it somehow causing me to dream about them for some unknown reason to me.
3) It is just white noise that I got for who knows what reason that St.Cronin threw out.


I don't really feel 3 is likely since I don't understand why I would have received it without -some- purpose.

So I am leaning to #1 and 2.. I would be interested in other people's thoughts.


So far, I don't hear anyone else talking about anything. Its pretty quiet, leaving things nice and easy for the wolves to hide in the shadows. The -only- information I have to work with right now is the dream PM I received last night, and I unfortunatly have no idea what it even means.

My other option is to randomly vote for someone on day 2, but I would rather look into what other people think.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well, Alan, I would love to talk about your dream, but since the rest of us don't know who it was about, that makes it rather difficult. Note I'm not calling on you to name them if you aren't ready to do so.

For my part, I know I'm about to do something that will come across as wolfish, but I'm hoping it will generate some conversation.

VOTE RPI-Fan

He didn't vote yesterday and hasn't said anything other than checking in.

[Alan T]

Well, Alan, I would love to talk about your dream, but since the rest of us don't know who it was about, that makes it rather difficult. Note I'm not calling on you to name them if you aren't ready to do so.

For my part, I know I'm about to do something that will come across as wolfish, but I'm hoping it will generate some conversation.

VOTE RPI-Fan

He didn't vote yesterday and hasn't said anything other than checking in.


Out of curiosity, how would naming the person help us right now? I gave all of the facts I know minus the name, so it shouldn't impact any on the actions or interpretation of those actions as best I know.

Singling out someone could either:

A) If they are bad - help us lynch a bad person
B) If they are not bad - help single out a key good person role for the bad guys to go after
C) If the dream is just white noise - Likely target for the bad guys still but not being anything but confusion for us.

I guess one of the things I am curious about is if anyone else got a dream, or was it just me. I have nothing in my role that indicates any special abilities so I still conclude it must have been something that someone else did that caused me to receive this.

The only fear i have is if I hold on to the name till tonight, and end up being killed tonight, the name and any significance it may or may not have will go to the grave with me. Perhaps that might or might not be a bad thing. I just do not know right now.

[Lathum]

I am starting to lean towards RPI as well for lack of participation but what Alan is doing smells funny to me. I just don't understand what he has to gain.

[Alan T]

I am starting to lean towards RPI as well for lack of participation but what Alan is doing smells funny to me. I just don't understand what he has to gain.


So you would rather everyone just stay quiet today and no one talk about anything and we all just jump in and toss out a vote?

I figured I had some information that doesn't put anyone at risk (other than perhaps myself), that could at least be a decent starter discussion until something bigger (if anything) came up today.

I guess everyone just prefers for everyone to stay quiet and not talk about anything.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Out of curiosity, how would naming the person help us right now?

If we had the name, we could study their posts and try to get a feel for if they are good or bad. But I do feel like the risks of outing a good player are too great for us to take that route. That's why I wasn't calling for you to do it. I was merely stating that it's hard to talk about something when we don't have anything to really talk about.

Since no one else has come forward to say that they had a dream about someone, I'm leaning towards the belief that you were scanned last night. Which makes sense, because I think that you would be one of the first players scanned by the seer.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, there are two bits of information that you've put out. The first is that you're in a secret society. The second is that you had a vivid dream last night. Are you inferring that there's a chance of a connection between them--that you dreamed vividly because your fellow secret society member was being killed?

[Lorena]

Alas, the death of spleen also gives me little information I can use right now.

Just wondering if you can tell us what the "little information" is Chief since we seem to be in the dark.

[Lorena]

dola,


VOTE LONESTARGIRL

She stated earlier that she'd be able to contribute some more but has yet to check-in yesterday. I get the feeling she might be waiting for someone.

[Lorena]

Just wondering if you can tell us what the "little information" is Chief since we seem to be in the dark.

nvm, i keep skimming through these and read it wrong, disregard.

[Alan T]

Alan, there are two bits of information that you've put out. The first is that you're in a secret society. The second is that you had a vivid dream last night. Are you inferring that there's a chance of a connection between them--that you dreamed vividly because your fellow secret society member was being killed?


Yes, that was one of the scenerios that ran through my mind that I tossed out earlier today. I was curious to other people's thoughts on what I should take from the dream, but for the most part its been met with overwhelming indifference.

[Lorena]

dola,


VOTE LONESTARGIRL

She stated earlier that she'd be able to contribute some more but has yet to check-in yesterday. I get the feeling she might be waiting for someone.

I feel like a retard, this should read "she has yet to check-in TODAY duffus.

[Lorena]

Yes, that was one of the scenerios that ran through my mind that I tossed out earlier today. I was curious to other people's thoughts on what I should take from the dream, but for the most part its been met with overwhelming indifference.

And what was your dream again? All I remember is you had a vivid dream about someone, but that's it... nothing specific. Were they doing something or you just dreamt of him/her?

[Lathum]

VOTE RPI FAN

subject to change if he checks in.

[Alan T]

And what was your dream again? All I remember is you had a vivid dream about someone, but that's it... nothing specific. Were they doing something or you just dreamt of him/her?


Thats all I was told. I had extremely vivid dreams about PlayerX.

I have no clue what to make of it since I have no ability that allows me to dream about people.

[Lathum]

I keep looking at the player list and I don't see anyone named PlayerX?

[Lathum]

:)

[Alan T]

I keep looking at the player list and I don't see anyone named PlayerX?


Oh shoot... you mean this isn't Hoop's Xmen WW game? I kept trying to figure out who Dr. Xavier was!

[Schmidty]

I haven't been very active so far, so this is almost hypocritical, but:

Vote RPI FAN

[Abe Sargent]

I think RPIFan is a solid choice. Right now I have no others.

Vote RPIFan

-Abe

[LoneStarGirl]

Sorry I haven't logged on today yet guys, I have done a major cleaning of the house since GE's parents are coming over Saturday to see it for the first time. Yes, DC, Spleen and I have had a past, but we talked it out and agreed to put it past us and never to mention it again. I won't hold anything over his head, he wont hold anything over mind. I think he knows the only reason I voted for him yesterday was because he was the only one left without a vote on him (besides myself) Anyway, voting for me because I didn't log on today yet is not a very solid reason to vote DC. But I wont retaliate by voting back for you yet.

[LoneStarGirl]

And Alant you are being very sneaky, I dont know if i like this side of you. Especially if you have information that could help the villagers.

[Lorena]

Well let's see Alan, you say you're part of a secret society. Since we don't know anything about your society, could it be that you (and possibly spleen if he were still alive) might have some sort of dormant powers and your lucid dream might actually be the person that killed him?

I dunno what else to think, but hopefully this won't be your last.

[Alan T]

And Alant you are being very sneaky, I dont know if i like this side of you. Especially if you have information that could help the villagers.

What information do I have that I haven't given out yet would be far more valuable to the villagers to give out than to keep in right now? I've been looking for the conversation all day, but 7 hours later, not many people have entertained the conversation.

Instead everyone is just going with the safe vote of RPI who hasn't checked in yet.

As things stand, I guess thats what I'll do too. Guessing he probably is a villager though, but I've always felt a villager who isn't participating is a better vote than accidentally hitting a participating villager.

[Lorena]

Sorry I haven't logged on today yet guys, I have done a major cleaning of the house since GE's parents are coming over Saturday to see it for the first time.

Yeah, you don't want them to know how you REALLY live, right? :rolleyes: :p

[Alan T]

Well let's see Alan, you say you're part of a secret society. Since we don't know anything about your society, could it be that you (and possibly spleen if he were still alive) might have some sort of dormant powers and your lucid dream might actually be the person that killed him?

I dunno what else to think, but hopefully this won't be your last.

You know all that I know the only information I know about the society is that I knew Spleen was also in it and thus started the game as good. I know what Spleen's role was because he and I both got the same PM addressed to both of us. Thats why I could easily say he wasn't any important role that we lost, it was the same role as me.

The person I dreamt about could have been spleen's killer, that was one of the possibilities I listed... however I am guessing strongly that I won't be receiving any more dreams. I figure I dreamt this because either: 1) It was a part of being scanned by someone last night. 2) It was because of Spleen's death. I highly doubt I'll be rescanned by the same person, and we know Spleen can't die again. If I do get more dreams, I'll likely just guess its white noise and there wasn't much to them.

[Alan T]

My work day is over, I'm heading home but I won't be able to get on much tonight. We're celebrating my mother's 59th birthday before she heads back to Georgia tommorrow. I'll try to pop in when i can, and will pop in to figure out who to vote for at some point too.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well actually DC, they dont know I even live here... so I have a lot of work to do ;)

[Lathum]

so any guesses how many baddies we started with?

MY guess is 2 with a conversion possibility.

[Lorena]

so any guesses how many baddies we started with?

MY guess is 2 with a conversion possibility.

Either that or 3 without a conversion... what's the usual ratio?

----------------------------------------------------

Out for several hours. Will be back before deadline.

[Lorena]

I figure I dreamt this because either: 1) It was a part of being scanned by someone last night. 2) It was because of Spleen's death. I highly doubt I'll be rescanned by the same person, and we know Spleen can't die again. If I do get more dreams, I'll likely just guess its white noise and there wasn't much to them.

If the dream was the seer scanning you, then there's a possiblity whomever gets scanned tonight might dream of the person as well.

[Lorena]

dola,

like someone mentioned earlier, you are probably a good target for a night 1 scan, so that's a strong possiblity.

And with that, i'm really out ;)

[st.cronin]

vote count right now:

5 - RPI-Fan - Chief Rum, Jonathan Ezarik, Lathum, Schmidty, Anxiety
1 - LoneStarGirl - Dodgerchick

Let me know if I have made a mistake.

[Blade6119]

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Why? Because i can...

No really, i dont like the rpi vote(quiet or not) because a bandwagon will tell us nothing. I dont have a better suspect though, so ill stick to my day one vote. I tend to trust alan's story, but wont go as far as to say i trust him.

[Lathum]

right around there.

here is why Alan's play concerns me.

Not counting St. Cronin we started with 16 players

2 on the side of light are dead leaving us at 14.

if there are 3 bad guys that is an 11-3 ratio.

IMO Alan's actions are at the very least going to cause the bodyguard to protect him tonight. Now if AlanT is bad this gives the baddies a free kill with no fear of resistance.

Operating under the assumption RPI is getting lynched tonight and is good that leaves us at a 10-3 ratio. A free kill tonight and it is a 9-3 ratio,

I know it's alot of variables, but Alan wanted discussion so here it is.

[Lathum]

If the dream was the seer scanning you, then there's a possiblity whomever gets scanned tonight might dream of the person as well.

I would be shocked if this was the case

[Lorena]

I'm starting to take some of this stuff personal

[Lathum]

I'm starting to take some of this stuff personal

what stuff?

[Blade6119]

Please dont say you mean me voting for ya twice DC...you know im joking

[Barkeep49]

I do like the vote out the quiet players part because I think it brings both short term benefits, in this game as we give people rope to hang themselves, and long term benefits, as people know that the UTR strategy just won't fly. Therefore I am happy to be the sixth vote on RPI.

Vote RPI-Fan

Despite this let me say to RPI that I've enjoyed playing with you in the past and hope you play again soon.

[BrianD]

I agree that Alan's play might be a bit odd, but I don't see enough from him to be worth a vote. I also would love to know who he dreamed about, but I can't see knowing that really help us. Since he didn't get any details (like seeing him kill Spleen), I would figure the person in the dream is probably an important good role. Better to keep that quiet until more is known.

I don't have a great feel on anyone being bad, but I can see logic in voting for someone not participating.

Vote RPI-Fan

[LoneStarGirl]

Dodger, what are you taking personal? This is two games in a row you voted for me without a real reason.... but I still like you :)

[LoneStarGirl]

I really dont want to vote for RPI Fan because I haven't played with him and I was really looking forward to it, and a pile on sucks for everybody. I was hoping somebody would make a mistake but it looks like everybody is watching their step.

Vote Rpi Fan

[Alan T]

Looks like the vote is pretty decided now. By my count its 8-1-1 currently. I don't have any problems with voting for RPI, I feel its best to vote out someone who isn't around if you don't have any good thoughts of other people.

Since the vote is pretty sure, I'll put my vote elsewhere as a statement vote. I don't think anyone came up with any great ideas on how I can get a better feel for what my dream means. So I guess for now I won't act on it and see what develops tonight, if anything. I highly doubt I'll have another dream, but will be interested to see if someone else does.

So going elsewhere, I'll do this:

Vote BrianD

Can't really put my finger on it, just something about how he has been pressing or dropping certain comments. It might be nothing, but just as a statement vote, I'll vote for him today. Call it a throw away if you want, but today's vote is pretty locked up and we won't learn much from it anyways.

[RPI-Fan]

Sorry for not being involved yet, guys... had a nice little 13-hour day yesterday and 11-hr day today.

I will be around tonight and should not have to work too late tomorrow.

Anyways, I have caught up on the thread. Disappointed to see so many votes against me.

I don't have much to say in my defense. I wasn't particularly worked up about not voting yesterday because it is so random. All I can say is that I am unequivocably certain you guys will be making a bad choice if you vote me off. I wish I could make another suggestion who to vote for. I don't think Alan T would pull a fake non-normal role reveal this early in the game.

I will therefore lean with Alan T for now, pending new information.

VOTE BRIAND

(again, regardless of the outcome of today's vote, I apologize for my lack of participation in the game as I know that that makes things worse for everyone).

[BrianD]

Haven't you voted for me in the last few games for pretty much the same reason?

[BrianD]

dola, speaking to Alan on that one.

[Abe Sargent]

Unvote RPIFan

Since he came back. Only other person who's tweaking me a little is AlanT. Yesterday's move by him was fine, and I don;t mind it. But today, he's been a little defensive. THis vote won;t mean anything at this late hour, but I'd perfer to hop of RPI since he posted and I don't want to not vote at all.

Vote AlanT

[Lathum]

ugh RPI, 8 minutes just doesn't leave you enough time..

[RPI-Fan]

Just want to clarify one thing...

When I say "I am unequivocably certain you guys will be making a bad choice..." it is because you will be killing off another Light.

I am not sold on BrianD and would love to hear other peoples' thoughts on people that aren't me (not that there was much thought on me from anyone else, though I can't blame people for voting for me based on my inactivity to this point).

I will warn you guys to be suspicious of anyone who checks back into the thread and doesn't recant their vote for me.

[RPI-Fan]

ugh RPI, 8 minutes just doesn't leave you enough time..

Deadline is 8am ET, schmuck.

[Lathum]

Deadline is 8am ET, schmuck.

whoa, where did that come from?

[Abe Sargent]

Deadline is 8am ET, schmuck.

SHould you tell him or should I?

[RPI-Fan]

Umm, the thread title????

WTF?

[Lathum]

You awake at dawn, and are horrified to discover that spleen1015 is missing! In his chambers, you discover all his attendants, slaughtered, and spleen - turned inside out.

Day 2 has begun - vote deadline 8pm ET (really)

hey RPI, if you bothered to visit the thread you would have seen this. I see the thread title says AM but why would we have an 8:00 am deadline?

Next time think before you post

[Lathum]

dola- my response is because he called me a schmuck not because of the question over deadline

[RPI-Fan]

hey RPI, if you bothered to visit the thread you would have seen this. I see the thread title says AM but why would we have an 8:00 am deadline?

Next time think before you post

Ok, first I want to say I'm sorry if you were offended by my post. When I call someone a "schmuck" it is almost a joke, and I frequently call myself a "schmuck".

So I'm sorry for that miscommunication.

And as far as having "bothered" to visit the thread, I have admitted that I'm sorry for not having checked in for the first vote. When I glanced at the thread this AM, I saw 8am in the thread title and was not worried about rushing home or making some kind of effort to post as I knew (or thought I knew) I'd have a good evening and night to chime in and try to find some bad guys.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, first I want to say I'm sorry if you were offended by my post. When I call someone a "schmuck" it is almost a joke, and I frequently call myself a "schmuck".

So I'm sorry for that miscommunication.

And as far as having "bothered" to visit the thread, I have admitted that I'm sorry for not having checked in for the first vote. When I glanced at the thread this AM, I saw 8am in the thread title and was not worried about rushing home or making some kind of effort to post as I knew (or thought I knew) I'd have a good evening and night to chime in and try to find some bad guys.

that first line should read ...'is almost always a joke...'

[Barkeep49]

I'm sad that RPI checked in so close to the deadline as I'd have loved to not vote for him, especially upon hearing where his lack of urgency came from.

[Lathum]

well I didn't take it as a joke but if I overreacted I am sorry

[RPI-Fan]

Oh, and as to why I thought an 8am deadline is reasonable...

Some of you may recall that I haven't played in a WW game for a while. When I was last playing, we frequently used 12/24 hour deadlines. That is, the first day deadline could be 8pm (as roles were sent out on the evening of 1/3), making the first vote a 24-hr deadline, the first night deadline 8am, then the next "day" deadline 8am following the 12-24 pattern.

[RPI-Fan]

Well I am not going to freak out or anything if the 8pm deadline holds, but I feel like it was not AT ALL unreasonable for me to expect an 8am deadline given that it would have fit in with the timeframe of games when I last played them, and that it is specifically the reason I didn't bother to post while I was at work today.

[RPI-Fan]

Well I am not going to freak out or anything if the 8pm deadline holds, but I feel like it was not AT ALL unreasonable for me to expect an 8am deadline given that it would have fit in with the timeframe of games when I last played them, and that it is specifically the reason I didn't bother to post while I was at work today.

My main justification being, of course, that I 100% believed that the deadline was 8am on 1/5/07.

[RPI-Fan]

My main justification being, of course, that I 100% believed that the deadline was 8am on 1/5/07.

Sorry, keep forgetting to say my main point... I had believed the deadline was at this time because that is what the thread title says. Note that the "Day 2" in the thread title is correct, giving me every reason to believe the time with that was the correct value.

[Blade6119]

RPI, if it makes you feel better i didnt vote for you :(

And lathum is a schmuck, no worries :)

[Barkeep49]

Lathum I don't blame you as I didn't take it as a joke either. I'm just glad we can all mark down on our werewolf notes that for RPI shmuckiness is next to godliness and understand his use of the word.

I do appreciate the post RPI made and Lathum responded to.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly WW Mod

[Blade6119]

Sorry, keep forgetting to say my main point... I had believed the deadline was at this time because that is what the thread title says. Note that the "Day 2" in the thread title is correct, giving me every reason to believe the time with that was the correct value.

It was an error by the GM, one i think id be ok with him correcting by extending the day 8 hours. But, i believe his night post said PM so reading the thread would have corrected the mistake for you

[Lorena]

I'm starting to take some of this stuff personal

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I just get a little sensitive when I throw something out there and it doesn't go over like I had hoped. I'm sick and tired of having a vanilla role with no communication with people, no abilities, jack schitt... it gets flipping boring and frustrating having to figure things out on my own.

That random.org thingy must really not like me or something, I've had a semi-cool role maybe twice, but that's it.

[Barkeep49]

Oh, and as to why I thought an 8am deadline is reasonable...

Some of you may recall that I haven't played in a WW game for a while. When I was last playing, we frequently used 12/24 hour deadlines. That is, the first day deadline could be 8pm (as roles were sent out on the evening of 1/3), making the first vote a 24-hr deadline, the first night deadline 8am, then the next "day" deadline 8am following the 12-24 pattern.
As the inventor of the 12/24 I'm kind of sorry they've gone by the wayside. With our super large games they're too slow, but it'd be nice to bring them back, perhaps in some of the small games since I think it's a nice schedule for people like Chief or, in this case, RPI who could use that extra time.

[Blade6119]

Lathum I don't blame you as I didn't take it as a joke either. I'm just glad we can all mark down on our werewolf notes that for RPI shmuckiness is next to godliness and understand his use of the word.

I do appreciate the post RPI made and Lathum responded to.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly WW Mod

I dont have to listen to you, i voted for the other guy ;)

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I just get a little sensitive when I throw something out there and it doesn't go over like I had hoped. I'm sick and tired of having a vanilla role with no communication with people, no abilities, jack schitt... it gets flipping boring and frustrating having to figure things out on my own.

That random.org thingy must really not like me or something, I've had a semi-cool role maybe twice, but that's it.
It's hit or miss for cool roles, but WW is a pretty solitary game. [shill]You'll want to play in Hoop's game, though, because you can pick, to a certain degree, just how cool your character will be.[/end shill]

[Barkeep49]

I dont have to listen to you, i voted for the other guy ;)
Way to buck authority there Blade :P

[RPI-Fan]

It was an error by the GM, one i think id be ok with him correcting by extending the day 8 hours. But, i believe his night post said PM so reading the thread would have corrected the mistake for you

Ok, put yourself in my shoes... you regretfully miss out on the first day vote... wake up @ 6:30am, glance at the thread title while getting ready for work, see that the title indicates a 12/24 schedule and that I will be able to go to work and come home with plenty of time to defend myself.

Why WOULDN'T I glance at the thread title, note the apparant deadline, and act as I did?

[Lathum]

I hear you DC, I never get a good role either....

[Barkeep49]

Ok, put yourself in my shoes... you regretfully miss out on the first day vote... wake up @ 6:30am, glance at the thread title while getting ready for work, see that the title indicates a 12/24 schedule and that I will be able to go to work and come home with plenty of time to defend myself.

Why WOULDN'T I glance at the thread title, note the apparant deadline, and act as I did?
RPI I think most of us agree that it's an understandable, but unfortunate, set of circumstances. As I indicated in my vote, and earlier in the sign-up thread, I was glad to see you play again and hope that next game you can have a smoother existance.

[Barkeep49]

I hear you DC, I never get a good role either....
What are you talking about? You always seem to have a cool role.

[Blade6119]

Ok, put yourself in my shoes... you regretfully miss out on the first day vote... wake up @ 6:30am, glance at the thread title while getting ready for work, see that the title indicates a 12/24 schedule and that I will be able to go to work and come home with plenty of time to defend myself.

Why WOULDN'T I glance at the thread title, note the apparant deadline, and act as I did?

I sympathize with you, and i understand your point. But the initial rules state deadlines are at 8 PM, the night action post said 8 PM, and day ones lynch was 8 PM. So while i see what your pointing out, its dependent upon you not even opening the thread until night 2..which is not very productive

[RPI-Fan]

I sympathize with you, and i understand your point. But the initial rules state deadlines are at 8 PM, the night action post said 8 PM, and day ones lynch was 8 PM. So while i see what your pointing out, its dependent upon you not even opening the thread until night 2..which is not very productive

Ok, I agree that I made a mistake.

I accept that. But I think if you guys consider WHY I made that mistake it's more reasonable than appears on the surface (the key thing being I was totally used to 12/24 deadlines).

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I just get a little sensitive when I throw something out there and it doesn't go over like I had hoped. I'm sick and tired of having a vanilla role with no communication with people, no abilities, jack schitt... it gets flipping boring and frustrating having to figure things out on my own.

That random.org thingy must really not like me or something, I've had a semi-cool role maybe twice, but that's it.

I use dice!!!

[Abe Sargent]

st.cronin's here - lets' wait on him

[Lorena]

I hear you DC, I never get a good role either....

Uh... riiiiiight. Weren't you the bodyguard last game? That's a pretty cool role ain't it?

[st.cronin]

Sorry about the thread title. I have the votes as:

7 - RPI-Fan - Chief Rum, Jonathan Ezarik, Lathum, Schmidty, Barkeep49, BrianD, Lonestargirl
3 - BrianD - Alan T, RPI-Fan, Anxiety
1 - LoneStarGirl - Dodgerchick
1 - Dodgerchick - Blade 6119

results coming - stay tuned

[st.cronin]

RPI-Fan has little to say during the day, even as accusation after accusation bears his name. Finally, he stands, and says, coldly: "I don't expect that you schmucks would remember that I have already been Tried, during the War of Power. That's fine. I will willingly pass through again." He disrobes, passes into the arches, and emerges from the other side, unscathed. "Well, you all have wasted an entire day on this nonsense. I hope some of you have some clever ideas for tomorrow."

Night 2 has begun - deadline 8am ET

[Schmidty]

I'm a schmuck. Oy vey.

[Barkeep49]

Well I take that as a positive occurance, all things considered.

[Barkeep49]

Strike that. I'm actually thrilled at not needlessly losing a good guy.

[Abe Sargent]

Not that it matters, but I did *not* vote for BrainD

[st.cronin]

note: that result had nothing to do with the deadline mixup. It was not my way of fixing an error, it was already built into the game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I am terribly sorry about not getting a vote in, I've become used to the 10 pm deadlines of the past few games I played. I'll try to do better henceforward.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well I guess we learned our lesson. RPI any clue to what your role is?

[Lorena]

Well I guess we learned our lesson. RPI any clue to what your role is?

I don't think he can answer you LSG, he's kinda dead.

[Blade6119]

He passed the test, and his side was not revealed...i took it to mean he was still alive as well.

[LoneStarGirl]

Yeah, I was taking it to mean he was alive...

St. Cronin verify?

[LoneStarGirl]

Wait...

2. RPI-Fan - Tried day 2, passed, of the Light

His side is revealed

[RPI-Fan]

Tried = Lynched

[Blade6119]

then he is dead, and i would just like to point out i was right :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh well.... St. Cronin did a good job of confusing me.

[st.cronin]

RPI Fan is still alive, and still in the game.

[Blade6119]

HAHA, I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!!!