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duckman

01-12-2007, 07:44 PM

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Sergeant in trouble for Playboy spread

Thu Jan 11, 8:12 PM ET

An Air Force staff sergeant who posed nude for Playboy magazine has been relieved of her duties while the military investigates, officials said Thursday.

In February's issue, hitting newsstands this week, Michelle Manhart is photographed in uniform yelling and holding weapons under the headline "Tough Love." The following pages show her partially clothed, wearing her dog tags while working out, as well as completely nude.

"This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the Air Force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," Oscar Balladares, spokesman for Lackland Air Force Base, said in a statement.
Manhart told Playboy that she considers herself as standing up for her rights.

"Of what I did, nothing is wrong, so I didn't anticipate anything, of course," Manhart, 30, told The Associated Press. "I didn't do anything wrong, so I didn't think it would be a major issue."

Manhart, who is married with two children, joined the Air Force in 1994, spending time in Kuwait in 2002. She trains airmen at Lackland.

So which one you bastards going to hook me up with the pics? :D

miked

01-12-2007, 07:53 PM

I googled it and somehow stumbled across her myspace page (I think). She doesn't look all that great in non-airbrushed pics.*

*I'd still hit it though

cartman

01-12-2007, 08:08 PM

Lackland is only 45 minutes from my house....

:D

spleen1015

01-12-2007, 08:13 PM

This women is naive if she thought that posing for Playboy wasn't outside the bounds of military bearing.

Joe

01-12-2007, 08:22 PM

yeah, she is not that great..

http://www.foxnews.com/images/253480/0_61_011109_military_playboy.jpg

Young Drachma

01-12-2007, 08:25 PM

She didn't know. Yeah right.

Greyroofoo

01-12-2007, 08:29 PM

She can "train" me anyday.

This comes from an airman.

WVUFAN

01-12-2007, 08:30 PM

Throw the book at her. She's, what, a frickin' E-6, she SHOULD know.

Jonathan Ezarik

01-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Is the problem that she posed nude, or that she did it in uniform?

KevinNU7

01-12-2007, 08:35 PM

Both

WVUFAN

01-12-2007, 08:36 PM

Is the problem that she posed nude, or that she did it in uniform?

Completely irrevelant. As a member of the military, and specifically an NCO, as a leader she has a responsibility to maintain an certain appearance and attitude. Posing for Playboy is unacceptable for a member of the military, period.

miami_fan

01-12-2007, 08:42 PM

I believe she knew what she was doing and she knew what the consequences could be. I wonder if she is did this in an effort to leave the military prior to the end of her enlistment.

st.cronin

01-12-2007, 08:46 PM

I believe she knew what she was doing and she knew what the consequences could be. I wonder if she is did this in an effort to leave the military prior to the end of her enlistment.

Definitely. I would be stunned if this weren't the case.

Jonathan Ezarik

01-12-2007, 08:54 PM

Completely irrevelant. As a member of the military, and specifically an NCO, as a leader she has a responsibility to maintain an certain appearance and attitude. Posing for Playboy is unacceptable for a member of the military, period.

Interesting. I read an article not too long ago about servicemen signing a petition calling for Congress to withdraw the troops from Iraq. I thought that something like that was against the military code, but according to the article, the soldier that started the petition was told that as long as he wasn't in uniform or on duty when he worked on the petition, he was fine. So it's okay to engineer a movement that opposes what your commanders tell you to do, but it's not okay to pose nude for a magazine?

What would happen if you had soldiers (male soldiers, not female) on leave caught on film in something like a Girls Gone Wild type thing acting like drunken fools? Would they be kicked out as well, since they weren't maintaining a correct appearance and attitude of a US soldier?

WVUFAN

01-12-2007, 08:58 PM

Greyroofoo

01-12-2007, 09:04 PM

WVUFAN

01-12-2007, 09:08 PM

Both the instance Jonathan Ezarik mentioned and the Playboy spread would be covered by Article 134 of the UCMJ, I believe.

miami_fan

01-12-2007, 09:11 PM

As a member of the air force,

We recently had a briefing on what could get you trouble in regards to this sort of thing.

Basically anything that can connect you with the military (in this case the dogtags that she posed with) can get you in trouble.

In this case, she would have gotten in some sort oftrouble anyway since someone associated with the base would have bought the magazine (Shocking, I know) and brought it to the attention of senior leadership. However you are right. The fact that she was in parts of her uniform and portraying herself as a instructor will have her facing more severe disciplinary actions.

Eaglesfan27

01-12-2007, 09:29 PM

I believe she knew what she was doing and she knew what the consequences could be. I wonder if she is did this in an effort to leave the military prior to the end of her enlistment.

This was my first thought as well.

duckman

01-12-2007, 09:39 PM

What would happen if you had soldiers (male soldiers, not female) on leave caught on film in something like a Girls Gone Wild type thing acting like drunken fools? Would they be kicked out as well, since they weren't maintaining a correct appearance and attitude of a US soldier?

It's happen before. There was a guy who got kicked out of the service that was doing a striptease on the internet. The dumbass was bragging to his friends how much money he was making and a NCO overheard him. He was out with a general discharge in less than 3 days.

biological warrior

01-13-2007, 01:00 AM

From my (limited) understanding, yes they could be charged under the UCMJ.
I think a few boyz from the 82d Div. were discharged for being in a gay porn a few years back.

M GO BLUE!!!

01-13-2007, 01:17 AM

yeah, she is not that great..

http://www.foxnews.com/images/253480/0_61_011109_military_playboy.jpg

I bet you've drilled worse than the sarge... :D

k0ruptr

01-13-2007, 02:45 AM

after reading some responses, America sure isn't the land of the "free" anymore. heh.

oykib

01-13-2007, 08:10 AM

after reading some responses, America sure isn't the land of the "free" anymore. heh.

Members of the military are not regular 'free' citizens. But they know what they are getting into when they sign up. She deserves whatever punishment is thrown at her. There's no way she didn't know what she was doing was wrong.

spleen1015

01-13-2007, 08:52 AM

The problem is the fact that this lady is a TI at Lackland. It is her job to train people how to be in the Air Force. She is a drill instructor. Are you going to be intimidated by someone you saw in Playboy? I don't think so.

I agree that she may be wanting to get out. TI's don't have a very good family life given the demands of the job.

DanGarion

01-13-2007, 09:07 AM

spleen1015

01-13-2007, 09:10 AM

Are we sure she's really in her uniform? I understand that this article says she is but none of us have seen the pictures yet. Anyway it's just funny these freedoms we fight for and then we are kicking people out of the military for them...

I don't think you've been in the military and if you haven't I don't think you would understand.

Galaril

01-13-2007, 09:21 AM

http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_Latest_Headlines/2_PLAYBOY_MILITARY.sff_198.jpg

This explains why she was in playboy alittle better.

Anthony

01-13-2007, 09:44 AM

so why would anyone want to be in the friggin armed forces if you basically are a slave who can possibly be killed? some mighty fine incentives. where do i sign up?

Rizon

01-13-2007, 09:55 AM

I've seen the nude pictures and ... GUH, barf.

Greyroofoo

01-13-2007, 10:00 AM

Also another point the military could potentially nail her on, having a 2nd job is illegal unless you have your commander's permission.

Joe

01-13-2007, 10:44 AM

I bet you've drilled worse than the sarge... :D

yes

Warhammer

01-13-2007, 10:59 AM

I've seen the nude pictures and ... GUH, barf.

Paper baggable, or just turn her around.

Dutch

01-13-2007, 11:20 AM

so why would anyone want to be in the friggin armed forces if you basically are a slave who can possibly be killed? some mighty fine incentives. where do i sign up?

People sign up for many reasons. Many times it's to escape the slavery of not getting to go to college and not having a decent skill set to make ends meet. It's definately a matter of perspective. One man's slavery is another man's opportunity. *shrug*

BrianD

01-13-2007, 11:24 AM

Are we sure she's really in her uniform? I understand that this article says she is but none of us have seen the pictures yet. Anyway it's just funny these freedoms we fight for and then we are kicking people out of the military for them...

Folks in the military are completely different than civilians. They fight for our freedom, but they don't enjoy many of the same freedoms themselves...at least while in uniform and in active duty. I'm sure that is necessary to make the units run smoothly, and it makes their service even more worthy of respect.

spleen1015

01-13-2007, 11:54 AM

You have to think about this from the military's perpective. To be successful on the battlefield you have to be disciplined. There's no area for mistakes. So, they demand that you maintain discipline all of time. It makes complete sense.

You can argue the denial of civil liberties all you want. Every member of the US armed forces is a volunteer. They understand the way it is when they sign on the dotted line.

01-13-2007, 12:01 PM

Many employers have rules and standards of behavior, whether official or unofficial, and will discipline or fire employees who don't meet those standards. That is not unsuual at all. Members of the military have a very strict standard of behavior and do find their freedoms somewhat limited. But then they choose to join the military. I find the "slave" analogy really interesting. I guess she is like the "slaves" in the NBA (as described by more than one NBA player in a contract dispute or standards of behavior dispute) who also were forced into their profession, the military or the NBA for example, and had no choice in the matter. Uh, huh.