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miami_fan
02-01-2007, 03:03 PM
Crimson Tide's Saban under fire for Cajun slur
/ Associated Press
Posted: 1 hour ago

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) - As an audiotape spread on the Internet, Alabama coach Nick Saban acknowledged Wednesday using a phrase considered derogatory to Cajuns but said he doesn't condone such language and merely was repeating something a friend told him.

Saban, a former LSU and Miami Dolphins coach, used an ethnic slur Jan. 3 while telling Florida reporters in Tuscaloosa an anecdote about an LSU fan's angry reaction to his hiring.

When asked about the LSU fans' reaction, Saban related a phone call from a friend on the LSU board of trustees, whom he did not name. In what seemed to be an attempt at humor, Saban told of the friend's encounter with an LSU fan, who speaks in a Cajun dialect.

"He was walking down the street yesterday before the Sugar Bowl," Saban said on the taped comments. "He calls me. There was a guy working in the ditch, one of those coonass guys that talk funny.

"I can't talk like them, but he can. Most people in Louisiana can."

Continuing to tell the story, Saban then quoted the worker's vulgar comment about Saban going to Alabama.

Saban, in a statement Wednesday, said the word "can be taken as derogatory by some people."

"Those comments need to be placed in the proper context, so as to understand the meaning of what was said," Saban said. "The words were used in paraphrasing a story told to me by a friend. I was simply using the same wording used by the person who told me the story.

"The term in question is not language that I use or condone, and I can understand how some would take offense. However, I think it must be noted that those comments were made 'off the record' and the words merely reflected an anecdote that was told to me using that language."

Warren Perrin, president of the Council for Development of French in Louisiana, said the term is "highly offensive."

"I routinely state that the use of that term is highly offensive to descendants of Acadians, who are commonly referred to as Cajuns," Perrin said.

Alabama spokeswoman Deborah Lane said the university had no comment beyond Saban's statement.


Yes as a Dolphin fan, I like the idea of Saban squirming a bit. When does he go to Baton Rouge again?

Kodos
02-01-2007, 03:03 PM
He's a jackass.

Subby
02-01-2007, 03:06 PM
Anyword that contains both "coon" and "ass" is probably going to net out as offensive.

Just a little rule of thumb there...

Butter
02-01-2007, 03:09 PM
My fav. defense is it was "off the record".

spleen1015
02-01-2007, 03:15 PM
The guy is from Fairmont, WV. I haven't met a person from there that isn't a racist.

NoMyths
02-01-2007, 03:16 PM
All language that we use has been heard or learned from elsewhere. Using that as an excuse for using offensive language is immature and irresponsible.

Subby
02-01-2007, 03:20 PM
AND NOBODY KNOWS IMMATURE AND IRRESPONSIBLE LIKE NOMYTHS.

hoopsguy
02-01-2007, 03:27 PM
The guy is from Fairmont, WV. I haven't met a person from there that isn't a racist.

Expecting WVUFAN in the thread in 3 .... 2 ....

Passacaglia
02-01-2007, 03:32 PM
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=56624&highlight=Saban

I'd like to call the fact that no one cared about this yesterday "the albionmoonlight effect" -- however I suspect it has more to do with the time of day it was posted yesterday. Any ideas for how to name that?

spleen1015
02-01-2007, 03:44 PM
Expecting WVUFAN in the thread in 3 .... 2 ....

My father's side of the family is from Fairmont, WV and all of them are racists.

My father played HS baseball with Nick Saban.

Ksyrup
02-01-2007, 03:46 PM
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=56624&highlight=Saban

I'd like to call the fact that no one cared about this yesterday "the albionmoonlight effect" -- however I suspect it has more to do with the time of day it was posted yesterday. Any ideas for how to name that?

I suspect it's because it was a play on the Biden thread and until I saw this link, I'm not sure I realized there were 2 threads with virtually the same name.

JonInMiddleGA
02-01-2007, 03:56 PM
This snippet from wikipedia pretty well sums up what I believed was the controversy about this particular term.

working-class Cajuns tend to regard the word "coonass" as a badge of ethnic pride; whereas middle- and upper-class Cajuns are more likely to regard the term as insulting or degrading, even when used by fellow Cajuns in reference to themselves.

Until the past decade or so, it's been used by governors, presidents, and was even part of the logo of the Louisiana Air National Guard. I suspect that without the job change, this wouldn't have been anywhere near as controversial.

NoMyths
02-01-2007, 05:04 PM
AND NOBODY KNOWS IMMATURE AND IRRESPONSIBLE LIKE NOMYTHS.
Word. I'm practically a synonym.

Tekneek
02-01-2007, 05:10 PM
It's ok to say anything offensive as long as you're just repeating what someone else told you. It's all ok then.

Sounds good to me. I'd like to see him do poorly in Alabama, or at least be in hot water as often as possible.

Doug5984
02-01-2007, 05:16 PM
Thats kind of funny- I have never heard of the term being considered offensive, its what everyone down here calls each other when you do something in a coon ass way....Anyone taking offense to it is trying to make something out of nothing.

Wiki got the first part right about it being a badge of honor for working class, but I have never heard an upper class person take offense to it either.

Swaggs
02-01-2007, 05:45 PM
The guy is from Fairmont, WV. I haven't met a person from there that isn't a racist.

You should meet more people from Fairmont.

astrosfan64
02-01-2007, 05:48 PM
I work in the oil patch in Houston. We have a ton of Rigs in Louisanna and it is a very common term here. I hear it used all the time and my father in law calls himself a coon ass with pride.

Actually he said when we crossed the Sabine River to come to Texas they took the coon out of him and only left the ass.

Swaggs
02-01-2007, 05:48 PM
Interestingly, I had never heard of this term before this week, but I am reading Michael ("Moneyball") Lewis's new book, "The Blind Side," and one of the guys in the book is from LA. and referred to Ole Miss's head coach Ed Orgeron as a coonass. And, he didn't mean it in a bad way.

SFL Cat
02-01-2007, 05:54 PM
Waits for Saban to say something to the effect -- "I meant no disrespect whatsoever by that term. In fact I consider myself to be something of a coonass..."

albionmoonlight
02-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Neat, I have an effect named after me.

Much better than a syndrome or a disease.

And I second (or third or fourth) the notion that in my experiences growing up in New Orleans, the word is considered much more descriptive than insulting.

Maybe a close approximation would be using the word redneck to describe a (stereo)typical rural working-class Southerner.

JW
02-01-2007, 06:17 PM
And the n-word is sometimes a term of endearment. On a smaller scale, this is just like a white guy using the n-word at the wrong place and time. Coonass is generally considered complimentary, but it depends on who says it and the context. Non-Louisianans and non-Cajuns should be careful when and how they use it. And Nick Saban has lost the 'right' to use the word as far as many folks in Louisiana are concerned. Is that fair? No. But that's just the way it is.

Raiders Army
02-01-2007, 06:47 PM
What is that cake with the baby in it?

spleen1015
02-01-2007, 07:32 PM
You should meet more people from Fairmont.

I know about 50. :)

JW
02-01-2007, 10:30 PM
What is that cake with the baby in it?

king cake

cuervo72
02-01-2007, 10:44 PM
AND NOBODY KNOWS IMMATURE AND IRRESPONSIBLE LIKE NOMYTHS.

http://www.thefobl.com/forums/images/smilies/counass.gif

Abe Sargent
02-01-2007, 10:45 PM
The guy is from Fairmont, WV. I haven't met a person from there that isn't a racist.

I haven't met a person from Fairmont who is a racist. I've met hundreds. Oh yes, by the way, you would NEVER hear me talk about that about anyplace I have ever been or from whence I know people. Because, growing up in southern West Virginia, I was taught manners.

-Anxiety

Raiders Army
02-02-2007, 07:42 AM
king cake

Thanks. That was driving me crazy.

Tekneek
02-02-2007, 07:47 AM
Coon ass is not an offensive term? I am pretty sure if I used that term in my office, I would be unemployed in short order. Guess it depends on the region you're in?