OT: The FOFC Music Draft

[Maple Leafs]

Hell yeah!

Welcome to the FOFC Music Draft.

How to play:
If you want to play, PM me. If there's a lot of interest, I'll randomly select ten players. By "randomly" I mean that after a day or so, I'll "randomly" pick whichever ten people I want.

The draft will be conducted via the forum, in this thread. When it's your turn to draft, you post, ideally with a brief note about the reason for your choice. If you won't be around, you PM someone else your picks in advance to keep things moving. You will agree to this, and then not do it. This will slow up the draft and annoy everyone. You won't care, you selfish prick.

The draft is a serpentine draft -- that the order reverses each round. Draft order will be determined before we start.

You will be drafting songs from popular music. This includes rock, pop, country, rap, etc. It does not include classical music, national anthems, ring tones, or anything else. Don't get tricky.

How to win:
The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner. FOFC will pick someone shitty. They always do.

The rosters
You will draft a "team" of ten songs. The idea is to assemble the best possible roster, using your awesome knowledge of music as well as your crafty drafting skills. Trades are allowed, as long as they don't slow down the action (the idea is to keep things moving as quickly as possible).

Your team will consist of ten songs, at the following positions:

- The Classic. This song has stood the test of time.
- The Epic. This is a sprawling masterpiece that makes you reach for your lighter.
- The Arena Rocker. The kind of song that kicks the most ass when performed in front of 20,000 or so drunk people.
- The Trendsetter. A song that helped shaped the music to come after it. Tread carefully -- go too obscure and the voters will punish you.
- The Love Song. Self-explanatory.
- The One-Hit Wonder. Admit it, most of them are good. Oh yes they are!
- The Party Song. A song that celebrates sex, drugs, booze, or some combination.
- The Crossover Hit. This is a song that mixes and matches musical genres.
- The Cover. A song that covers something that came before (not the original)
- The Anti-Establishment Song. The best music is the kind that gives the big F.U. to authority.

Obviously many songs will fit into multiple categories. Finding the right spot for each pick is part of the strategy. Once you've drafted a song, you can't re-assign it later.

Additional rules thrown in to make it needlessly complicated

- No artist can be used more than once. Once somebody has chosen a song from a singer/band, all their work is off the board.

We will be pretty general here. A singer and his/her band are the same artist (Bruce Springsteen is the same as Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band). A band is the same band even if some members change (Genesis with Peter Gabriel is the same as Genesis with Phil Collins). An artist can appear multiple times only if they were in separate and distinct bands (The Beatles and Wings are separate artists).

The only exception will be songs that are done by a collection of different artists. "We are the world" does not wipe half the artists from the 80s off the board.

When in doubt, check with the commish (that's me, genius) before you pick.

- No song can be chosen more than once, even if it was done by multiple artists. (This applies to songs in the Cover category too.)

- At least two of your songs must be sung by a female

A few notes:
The draft is open to everyone -- observers are welcome. Discussion of picks is encouraged.

In general, it's considered very poor form to suggest picks during the draft -- the equivalent of being the guy who doesn't play poker but sits at the rail and shouts out to get attention. However, it will happen. If you're the sort of person who thinks you'd be really, really bothered by this, do yourself a favor and don't play.

A final note:
If the idea of doing a just-for-fun draft strikes as you as stupid and/or pathetic, but you're the type of person who likes to post about text sims on an internet forum... well, you may want to give this a miss until your sense of irony develops a little more.

If you want to play, PM me now. If I have enough entries by tomorrow, the draft will start then. In your PM, you must include your top three picks so that if you forget to check back we don't all have to wait for you (although your picks won't be used unless there's a delay).

[rkmsuf]

What about best performance by a video game character?

[Subby]

This might be the best draft FOFC history!

Brilliant idea!

[path12]

I would love to do this but I'm going to have spotty access Friday and the weekend. Damn.

[lordscarlet]

I would love to join, but I think I will pass based on my lack of music knowledge compared to what I think some people around here have.

[Maple Leafs]

I would love to join, but I think I will pass based on my lack of music knowledge compared to what I think some people around here have.
Keep in mind, the winner is voted on by the general public. Too much music knowledge may actually hurt here.

[Crapshoot]

I'd love to be in as well. ML, weren't you the original guy who set up the TV show draft?

[oliegirl]

I'm in...

[NoMyths]

Oooooo... :D

[Maple Leafs]

Reminder:
If you want to play, PM me now. If I have enough entries by tomorrow, the draft will start then. In your PM, you must include your top three picks so that if you forget to check back we don't all have to wait for you (although your picks won't be used unless there's a delay).
If you've PMed me but didn't send your top three, please re-send.

[wade moore]

I'm going to follow this, but not participate because I know I'm going to be very busy over the next week or two.

[lordscarlet]

Can I get some clarification on The Crossover?

Is this a song that mixes genres, or a song that crosses genre lines on the music charts?

[Maple Leafs]

Can I get some clarification on The Crossover?

Is this a song that mixes genres, or a song that crosses genre lines on the music charts?
I think either would apply, although I was mainly thinking of a genre-mixer.

I didn't really put any thought into this.

[lordscarlet]

I think either would apply, although I was mainly thinking of a genre-mixer.

I didn't really put any thought into this.

Sounds good. :) I have a lot of positions that have a clear #1 for me, but fall off to either lameness or nothingness after that.

[MikeVic]

I'll follow along, but won't participate. I think this is the first "OT" thread I've seen started here in a long time.

[Greyroofoo]

I am voting for the person with the most pink floyd songs

[CU Tiger]

I am voting for the person with the most pink floyd songs
So given the rules first person to 1 gets your vote?

[Raiders Army]

This should be very interesting.

[st.cronin]

I'm voting for the person with the most posts.

[Buccaneer]

Do you have 10 yet?

[Buccaneer]

I don't think mailing in 3 picks is a good idea since one of the values of a FOFC draft is to see how others are picking and play off of them. But I understand drafts getting hung up too.

[Maple Leafs]

Do you have 10 yet?
I have about 20, counting people who didn't follow the instructions about sending picks.

Will probably choose ten tomorrow morning.

I don't think mailing in 3 picks is a good idea since one of the values of a FOFC draft is to see how others are picking and play off of them. But I understand drafts getting hung up too.
Picks will only be used if someone is not around and it causes a delay. Everyone will get an hour or two at least to make their own picks

[Greyroofoo]

So given the rules first person to 1 gets your vote?

they just won't be considered w/o a pink floyd song

[Maple Leafs]

Last call for entries... I'll post the ten players in about a half hour or so and we'll get started.

[ntndeacon]

I will be be watching if not participating in this. Looking forward to seeing the draft picks.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm not participating, but I'll be watching, too. Great idea.

[Maple Leafs]

Would someone be kind enough to go to http://random.org/sform.html, generate a random sequence of numbers 1-10, and post it here?

[JPhillips]

2
4
6
7
1
9
5
3
8
10

[rkmsuf]

someone load up on billy joel songs

[Maple Leafs]

Thanks JPhillips...

Here are the ten players, in order of signup:
Maple Leafs
Subby
lordscarlet
Lathum
vtbub
NoMyths
Butter_of_69
Buccaneer
ntndeacon
Oilers9911

And here's the randomly chosen draft order:
1 -Subby
2 - Lathum
3 - NoMyths
4 - Butter_of_69
5 - Maple Leafs
6 - ntndeacon
7 - vtbub
8 - lordscarlet
9 - Buccaneer
10 - Oilers9911

I'm going to post a couple of guidelines for picks, and then we'll get started.

[st.cronin]

I'm sure Lathum is a wolf.

[Subby]

Oh. God. The. Pressure.

[wade moore]

Oh. God. The. Pressure.

Represent the Green and Gold.

w0rd.

[Logan]

There is zero doubt that this idea was conceived while tanked on Molson.

There is also zero doubt that it's brilliant. Will eagerly be following...

[Maple Leafs]

How to make your picks:

Please cut and paste the following each time you make a pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Then fill in your pick in this format:
Anti-Establishment - 1.1 It's Not Easy Being Green, Kermit the Frog

Make sure to include the artist. Keep cutting and pasting your own chart so it fills up as you go through the draft.

Of course you're encouraged to also include a few words about your pick and why you made it.

If you won't be around to make a choice, please PM me a pick or two in advance. I generally won't use your pick for you until a few hours has gone by, unless you let me know you definitely won't be around. If you don't want to PM me because you think I'll steal your picks (and I probably will) find someone else to help you. One of the people who expressed interest in this thread but didn't get to play would be a good candidate.

This isn't a speed challenge, but please don't be the one who causes delays. I reserve the right to replace anyone who takes to long with one of the other people who wanted to play.

You're responsible for making sure your picks are valid (i.e. artist or song hasn't already been picked). If you make an invalid pick and then leave the forum, we reserve the right to invoke the Minnesota Vikings rule and keep going without you (in which case you'll get to repick whenever you get back).

Trading of songs and/or future picks is allowed. If you make a trade, have both people post it in this thread. Please do not hold up the draft to negotiate a deal.

The draft has begun... Subby is on the clock with pick #1.1.

[Maple Leafs]

SUBBY YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG!

[st.cronin]

I think he's going with Jeff George.

[MikeVic]

I think his post is a hint to take Under Pressure.

[lordscarlet]

Represent the Green and Gold.

w0rd.

Do I get to represent half the colors? If so, I pick gold.

[albionmoonlight]

Vegas has just set the final over/under on bannings resulting from this thread at 1.5

[wade moore]

Do I get to represent half the colors? If so, I pick gold.

I'm not sure if that gpa over 2 years even earns you one full color ;).

[Logan]

I think a lot of the fun will come in the judging. For example, do we give more credit for the "level" of One-Hit Wonder? How about bonus points for actually being good and lasting the test of time? Bonus points for completely sucking? Bring it on.

[Pumpy Tudors]

SUBBY, I AM WAITING WITH BAIT ON MY BREATH.

[NoMyths]

Woot! Should be a good time. :)

[wade moore]

I think a lot of the fun will come in the judging. For example, do we give more credit for the "level" of One-Hit Wonder? How about bonus points for actually being good and lasting the test of time? Bonus points for completely sucking? Bring it on.

Some of the categories, particularly one-hit wonder, have a lot of potential for comedic poinits - but that could lose as many, if not more, voters than it gains.

[Subby]

We'll come out of the gate with a sure thing, Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. I just played it backwards to make sure it was still urging me to worship SATAN and since it still is, I HAVE TO HAVE IT.

This probably could have been EPIC in addition to CLASSIC but there are just so many other great EPICS, that I want to save that slot for later (much like the CHANCE slot in Yahtzee).

Classic -Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin 1-1
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[rkmsuf]

Didn't you read the sign. Clearly says NO STAIRWAY.

[wade moore]

I think this was a great pick of song, but I have to disagree on category.. I think this is clearly the best Epic song and would have been my #1 choice... as classics go, I think it's merely one of a lot of other good choices.

[Subby]

Without naming other songs, I can think of at least 5 others that I would consider way more epic.

Whenever classic rock format XL-102 in Richmond had their "Top 500 songs of all time" Stairway was always #1. This is how I was raised. :)

[albionmoonlight]

I had another #1.

Stairway was my #1A

[wade moore]

Without naming other songs, I can think of at least 5 others that I would consider way more epic.

Whenever classic rock format XL-102 in Richmond had their "Top 500 songs of all time" Stairway was always #1. This is how I was raised. :)

I'm interested to see what you thought were better epics... I'm by no means a music expert, far from it...

I would however, think of at least 5 or 10 songs that to me are better values for Classics.. anyway... interested to see how it plays out...

[NoMyths]

I am not unhappy to see Stairway off the board. I'm not sure I would have made it my #1 classic. And maybe not even my #1 from Zeppelin.

*OMINOUS PIANO CHORD!*

[Subby]

I am not unhappy to see Stairway off the board. I'm not sure I would have made it my #1 classic. And maybe not even my #1 from Zeppelin.

*OMINOUS PIANO CHORD!*
Yeah yeah - we know you will pick like five Elliott Smith and two Tom Waits songs just to show us HOW AWESOME YOU ARE!! :mad::mad::mad:

[Maple Leafs]

Stairway is probably a worthy top pick.

Lathum is on the clock with pick #1.2. I'll give him an hour to make a pick, otherwise I'll use the one he originally sent.

[NoMyths]

Yeah yeah - we know you will pick like five Elliott Smith and two Tom Waits songs just to show us HOW AWESOME YOU ARE!! :mad::mad::mad:
DOH! Quit giving away my draft list!!!1 :mad:

[NoMyths]

dola...

And Lathum better not steal Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music from me...

[Lathum]

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[Lathum]

I can't think of a song that changed a generation of music more. I almost went with the thong song, it was a tough choice.

[NoMyths]

Dang, sorta. On the other hand...

[lordscarlet]

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

:mad:

[Lathum]

I knew that one wouldn't last long

[wade moore]

I knew that one wouldn't last long

Agreed, but it was not on my list as #1 trendsetter.

[Maple Leafs]

NoMyths, you know you're up, right?

[KevinNU7]

I love this thread. I wish I was participating

[NoMyths]

A hard, hard thing to choose between by top picks. At the end of the day, I had to go with the American iconoclast, who probably stands as the most important musician the country has produced. This is his greatest achievement.

Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - 1.3
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[NoMyths]

NoMyths, you know you're up, right?

Damn, give a brotha half an hour! ;)

I'm at work. :mad:

[Maple Leafs]

Butter_of_69 is on the clock at 1.4.

I'll give him a little while to make a pick. However, the pick he sent is so strong that I don't mind making it for him if he's not around soon.

[wade moore]

I have to say that I think you put Dylan on a much higher pedestal than many others.

[NoMyths]

I have to say that I think you put Dylan on a much higher pedestal than many others.

I'm unbothered by where I put Dylan in any discussion with folks who know much about music. ;)

[lordscarlet]

I have to say that I think you put Dylan on a much higher pedestal than many others.

Not that you shouldn't, but you probably could've held that pick for a couple rounds.

[albionmoonlight]

My #1 is now starting to fidget a bit in its suit in the green room.

[wade moore]

I'm unbothered by where I put Dylan in any discussion with folks who know much about music. ;)

This is where Maple Leafs comment about "knowing too much" about music could hurt you in this game comes into play.

[Maple Leafs]

Incidentally, I think Stairway to Heaven was in over half of the "top three" submissions I got.

[KevinNU7]

I'm curious how the scoring will work. Will you do 10 points for Top votes in a category followed by 9 for 2nd, ect... or will it just be a contest to see who can get the most Top vote categories?

[wade moore]

I'm curious how the scoring will work. Will you do 10 points for Top votes in a category followed by 9 for 2nd, ect... or will it just be a contest to see who can get the most Top vote categories?

How to win:
The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner. FOFC will pick someone shitty. They always do.

It's just a straight-up poll thread. The lists are shown and then the masses get to decide who has the best "team".

[Maple Leafs]

I'm curious how the scoring will work. Will you do 10 points for Top votes in a category followed by 9 for 2nd, ect... or will it just be a contest to see who can get the most Top vote categories?
In the past we just did a poll. But I suspect that when the draft is over I'll consider various scoring methods, and go with whichever one gives me the best chance to win.

[vtbub]

In the past we just did a poll. But I suspect that when the draft is over I'll consider various scoring methods, and go with whichever one gives me the best chance to win.


In English:

Whoever picks G'N'R.

[KevinNU7]

Mel how do you feel about the first three picks so far.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/ethan_trex/04/25/left.field/p1_kiper.jpg


1 and 2 went right where I felt they could go. These songs are solid choices in their categories and if a team has a need at that position they are clear selections. Pick 3 for Like a Rolling Stone really blows me away. I had this one in the mid to late rounds and I'm baffelled. This pick will not sit well with the mainstream fans.

I have to agree, you can hear those Giants fans booing already.

[Maple Leafs]

I'll make Butter's pick at noon EST (20 minutes).

Up next, as of now:
1.4 Butter
1.5 Leafs
1.6 Deacon
1.7 vtbub

[NoMyths]

I'm surprised that folks are shocked by Like a Rolling Stone. I suppose I'll pick Chumbawumba's "Tubthumper" next. :P

[Maple Leafs]

I'm surprised that folks are shocked by Like a Rolling Stone. I suppose I'll pick Chumbawumba's "Tubthumper" next. :P
Me too, actually. I wouldn't have it ranked at #1.3 but I think the odds of it still being there for your second round pick was less than 50/50.

[KevinNU7]

My problem is that Stairway is already a better selection for that category. There are 8 categories that haven't been opened yet, you should have gone for the best in that category first.

[KevinNU7]

Well after butter picks it looks like we will get through the others quickly as Leafs, deacon and vtbub are all online right now

[NoMyths]

Me too, actually. I wouldn't have it ranked at #1.3 but I think the odds of it still being there for your second round pick was less than 50/50.
My thought process was also along the lines of defining songs...while there are plenty of bands who have a ton of great songs still on the board, I can see the vote being split over folks who feel the choice of Great Band's Song X over Song Y is terrible. Taking Dylan off the board with LARS -- aside from it is being of the greatest songs ever written and a trendsetter -- avoids that argument somewhat.

No risks = no rewards. Though I'm truly baffled that this pick is seen as risky. I'd have not been surprised to see the song go #1 overall, and would have taken it there myself.

[Maple Leafs]

Here's Butter's selection.... I love this pick.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[NoMyths]

My problem is that Stairway is already a better selection for that category. There are 8 categories that haven't been opened yet, you should have gone for the best in that category first.

Strategerie, my friend. I have other controversial picks for those categories lined up. ;)

[Maple Leafs]

Trade alert

vtbub and I have swapped picks in the first and second rounds. He gets picks 1.5 and 2.6, I get picks 1.7 and 2.4.

vtbub is on the clock at 1.5

[MikeVic]

Butter's pick would have been my #1 if I was in this thing.

[KevinNU7]

GOLD!

[eiskrap]

Here's Butter's selection.... I love this pick.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

unbeatable...

[wade moore]

Interesting... not even my top Queen pick... I think I would have thrown "We are the Champions or "We Will Rock You" as Arena rock over this one here.

[Lathum]

I almost picked that one

[Maple Leafs]

Butter's pick would have been my #1 if I was in this thing.
Picks like these can win these drafts.

[wade moore]

Interesting... not even my top Queen pick... I think I would have thrown "We are the Champions or "We Will Rock You" as Arena rock over this one here.

The more I think about this, the more I think Butter was smarter with Queen than I would have been ;).

[Crapshoot]

A hard, hard thing to choose between by top picks. At the end of the day, I had to go with the American iconoclast, who probably stands as the most important musician the country has produced. This is his greatest achievement.

Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - 1.3
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

That was my 1-1 pick (if I had one). Good choice. :D

[vtbub]

Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -


The most covered song in the world is my classic pick.

[KevinNU7]

Interesting... not even my top Queen pick... I think I would have thrown "We are the Champions or "We Will Rock You" as Arena rock over this one here.
There are tons of Arena songs to chose from, I can think of many many songs out there that would be ahead of either of those.

[Crapshoot]

I have to say that I think you put Dylan on a much higher pedestal than many others.


You're kidding, right? Dylan is probably the greatest artist in American music (hell, music) of the last 50 years.

[Maple Leafs]

You're kidding, right? Dylan is probably the greatest artist in American music (hell, music) of the last 50 years.
Bob Dylan appears to be the Vince Young of this draft.

[wade moore]

You're kidding, right? Dylan is probably the greatest artist in American music (hell, music) of the last 50 years.

Perhaps for music buffs.

For the general public, I don't think that you'd get a strong vote for Dylan. That's all I'm sayin'.

[albionmoonlight]

Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -


The most covered song in the world is my classic pick.

Finally!

Great pick. Would have been my #1 overall. I think that you got a steal at 1.5.

[Crapshoot]

Perhaps for music buffs.

For the general public, I don't think that you'd get a strong vote for Dylan. That's all I'm sayin'.

That's hard to say - I'm hardly a music snob, and I think Dylan is pure genius. Rolling Stone (not really a music snob magazine at this point) had Like a Rolling Stone as the number one song of the century.

[wade moore]

That's hard to say - I'm hardly a music snob, and I think Dylan is pure genius. Rolling Stone (not really a music snob magazine at this point) had Like a Rolling Stone as the number one song of the century.

I guess only the final vote will tell ;).

[Bee]

What's the over/under on a Billy Joel song?

[Maple Leafs]

Hmmm... ntndeacon was here in this thread when bub picked.

We'll give him a few more minutes to come back, then pick for him.

[Sublime 2]

So far it's gone pretty much the way I was thinking except for the Dylan pick. I had it just a little lower, but I still like it.

[Maple Leafs]

Well, not sure what happened to him, so I'll pick for him.

ntndeacon's pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[Maple Leafs]

My pick won't be a big surprise...

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Considering they really only put out two "real" albums, it's amazing that you could make an argument for G'n'R having a top pick in four categories: Love song (Sweet Child O' Mine), cover (Knockin' on Heaven's Door) and epic (November Rain). But I'm going with Jungle, a song that kicks so much ass that it's still played at every freaking sporting event in the world 20 years later.

I might have been able to get away with this in the Classics category, but if you've ever seen Jungle performed live you know it belongs here.

Oddly enough, I think there are other songs that are a better pick here than Jungle, but I suspect they have a better chance of still being on the board next round. We'll see if I'm right.

lordscarlet is on the clock at 1.8

[KevinNU7]

GNR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KevinNU7]

I'm curious who the first woman selected will be.

[lordscarlet]

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith - 1.8
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

This was a very hard pick for me. I have a lot of solid ideas for other categories, but there were a few factors in this pick. I won't reveal them all for stategerie reasons, but I think this is the runaway top crossover pick (and the only I could really think of) and I want to get it (and Aerosmith and Run-D.M.C.) off the board before someone else gets to it.

[albionmoonlight]

Well, not sure what happened to him, so I'll pick for him.

ntndeacon's pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Very good pick, but he will probably need to explain it a bit to the voters.

[ntndeacon]

I know I was in the room but I was away from my computer...Had a meeting

[Maple Leafs]

Bucc is not around today due to work, but did send a pick:

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 1.9 - Fight the Power - Public Enemy

I think this is another very, very strong choice.

[ISiddiqui]

The Beatles at 1.5 is quite a steal. Yesterday, especially, but plenty of good picks from their library could have been selected and had similar effect in the Classic catagory (Strawberry Fields, Hard Days Night, Come Together, etc).

[Maple Leafs]

Two very strong back-to-back picks from Oilers...

Classic - 1.10 - Hotel California - Eagles
Epic - 2.1 - American Pie - Don Maclean
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[lordscarlet]

The Beatles at 1.5 is quite a steal. Yesterday, especially, but plenty of good picks from their library could have been selected and had similar effect in the Classic catagory (Strawberry Fields, Hard Days Night, Come Together, etc).

I pretty much passed over any Beatles options as I was compiling a list with the assumption that it would be taken before my first pick, much less later as I have a few things I definitely wanted to take higher.

[lordscarlet]

Two very strong back-to-back picks from Oilers...

Classic - 1.10 - Hotel California - Eagles
Epic - 2.1 - American Pie - Don Maclean


#1 "McLean"
#2 Do you have another Bucc pick?

[Maple Leafs]

A summary of round one:

1.1 Classic -Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin
1.2 Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana
1.3 Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
1.4 Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
1.5 Classic - Yesterday - The Beatles
1.6 Trendsetter - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
1.7 Arena - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
1.8 Crossover - Walk This Way - Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
1.9 Anti-Establishment - Fight the Power - Public Enemy
1.10 Classic - Hotel California - Eagles

So far the Classic category is seeing the most action. No women picked yet. Nothing from the last 15 years chosen.

[Maple Leafs]

Do you have another Bucc pick?
Funny you should ask.

Bucc sent three picks. One was his Public Enemy pick, and the other two are already gone. He also PM'ed me to say he wouldn't be online during the day due to work.

As I see it we have two options here:

- Press pause, wait for Bucc to make his next pick, and resume the draft tonight/tomorrow

- Appoint someone to be Bucc's co-owner (since we may run into this again, assuming he's unavailable every workday)

Any thoughts from the others?

[ntndeacon]

By the way, For my Beach boys pick...This song was one that redefined the Beach Boys. It also used instruments that were at best rare if not foriegn to rock and roll... Like the cello and the therimin. This is one of ther first songs I know of that used a layered production..giving us a type of musical collage. Later seen in Strawberry fields (for example)

[Subby]

So I have a little list of songs I am going to pick when my turn comes back around and they are almost all gone already!

Fight the Power...great pick

[NoMyths]

Re the Beatles pick: that was what was giving me the most trouble, but it seemed to me that since I couldn't decide if A Day in the Life or Strawberry Fields (or hell, Let it Be) would win out, it would fragment the vote too much. Definitely great to have The Beatles on your side, but I'm personally torn as to whether Yesterday is the best song from them.

[Logan]

Re: Bucc...

CO-OWNER PICK!!!

Oh, did you just want input from people who are actually involved in this thing, and not those who want it moving quickly because we're enjoying it so much? :)

[lordscarlet]

So far the Classic category is seeing the most action. No women picked yet. Nothing from the last 15 years chosen.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" snuck under the wire there. :)

Funny you should ask.

Bucc sent three picks. One was his Public Enemy pick, and the other two are already gone. He also PM'ed me to say he wouldn't be online during the day due to work.

As I see it we have two options here:

- Press pause, wait for Bucc to make his next pick, and resume the draft tonight/tomorrow

- Appoint someone to be Bucc's co-owner (since we may run into this again, assuming he's unavailable every workday)

Any thoughts from the others?

Hm. My gut is to attempt to contact him through a private email address for him first. (if anyone has one) Unless he has discussed his picks with someone already (Wade could be used in an emergency for me), I'd hate to see someone pick for him and go in the completely wrong direction. Having said that, I'm eagerly waiting for this to move on. Daytime is also the best time for me to play. :) Looks like three picks is not nearly deep enough for a pre-draft list. :) My vote is an attempt to contact him outside of the board ( I don't recall what Bucc does for a living or if he would be checking email) and go from there. I'd hate to screw him, and I'd hate to see this slow down.

[Maple Leafs]

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" snuck under the wire there. :)

I thought it came out in 1991?
My gut is to attempt to contact him through a private email address for him first. (if anyone has one)
I did PM him this morning, so if he has e-mail notification turned on he should have received that. Other than that, I have nothing.

[Lathum]

re: bucc

I say give him an hour or so, sometimes people say they will be gone then pop in.

After an hour assign a co-owner with the understanding if he has an issue with his pick he gets to redraft it under the assumption he can't take anyone on the board.

[NoMyths]

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" snuck under the wire there. :)

Actually, it came out in late 1991 (September?), so technically... ;)

[Lathum]

dola- another solution could be the other 9 owners submit what they would pick and the majority ( if any) wins that pick.

[rkmsuf]

Just have jbmagic pick for Bucc.

this no SAT test

[lordscarlet]

I thought it came out in 1991?

Actually, it came out in late 1991 (September?), so technically... ;)

Right, so 6 months or so and it's within the last 15 years. :)

re: bucc
After an hour assign a co-owner with the understanding if he has an issue with his pick he gets to redraft it under the assumption he can't take anyone on the board.

This works for me.

[Maple Leafs]

After an hour assign a co-owner with the understanding if he has an issue with his pick he gets to redraft it under the assumption he can't take anyone on the board.
Yeah, the problem there is what if we get ten more picks along, he shows up and decides he doesn't like this pick, but someone who has picked since would have taken that song?

[Subby]

Yeah, the problem there is what if we get ten more picks along, he shows up and decides he doesn't like this pick, but someone who has picked since would have taken that song?
THIS IS THE FOFC MUSIC DRAFT. THERE IS ONLY ONE THING MORE SERIOUS.

In other words, be prepared!

[NoMyths]

I like the co-owner idea, and I don't have a problem with him redrafting if the choice doesn't suit him, but only after every other owner has drafted in between the co-ownered pick and whatever his next pick would be. Seems that way if someone wanted a song that he'd choose, they'd have had the opportunity to grab it.

[rkmsuf]

CNN Headline:

FOFC MUSIC DRAFT HALTED AS BUCC UNAVAILABLE TO PICK. RULES COMMITEE BAFFLED, SOMEONE OFFERS MAPLE LEAFS PROTEIN BAR.

[Subby]

someone just pick their favorite gangsta rap anthem and let's move on...

[Maple Leafs]

OK, so it's agreed. We give him a little more time, somebody will pick for him if he's not around, and if he complains, we kill him.

[lordscarlet]

Yeah, the problem there is what if we get ten more picks along, he shows up and decides he doesn't like this pick, but someone who has picked since would have taken that song?

I think thems the breaks. He can pick anything that is still eligible, and take his next pick.

[Crapshoot]

So yeah, I'd be glad to pick.Bucc liked my taste in the TV draft - but that's because I picked The Wonder Years. :D

[Subby]

Looking forward to all the obvious ones dropping off the board (well, obvious except for that bizarre Dylan pick, of course) and getting into more obscure/inspired picks...

[NoMyths]

Could have been worse...I could have chosen a second or third best Zeppelin song to lead the whole draft off. ;)

This word inspired, I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Maple Leafs]

OK, so it's settled. Crapshoot will be picking for Bucc if he hasn't shown up within a half hour.

[Subby]

Could have been worse...I could have chosen a second or third best Zeppelin song to lead the whole draft off. ;)

This word inspired, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Nothing inspired about my pick...that's the curse of the 1-1. You have to pick the 800 lb gorilla. Picking another Zeppelin song before Stairway would be like going Dylan in the top 3. Or picking Sam Bowie before MJ... :D

[st.cronin]

I love the lordscarlet pick, I think that's the steal of the draft so far. I had it #1 on my big board.

[Maple Leafs]

I love the lordscarlet pick, I think that's the steal of the draft so far. I had it #1 on my big board.
Walk This Way is like Tony Gonzalez in a fantasy draft five years ago. Not necessariy the best overall player available, but so far ahead of everyone else at the position that it's a good pick.

[st.cronin]

Walk This Way is like Tony Gonzalez in a fantasy draft five years ago. Not necessariy the best overall player available, but so far ahead of everyone else at the position that it's a good pick.

exactly

[Lathum]

Walk This Way is like Tony Gonzalez in a fantasy draft five years ago. Not necessariy the best overall player available, but so far ahead of everyone else at the position that it's a good pick.

I was going there next. ( Maple leafs can confirm this)

[ntndeacon]

The funny thing MapleLeaf. is if I had been here...I was rethinking my pick. I was looking STRONGLY at Paradise City for arena.

[Subby]

The funny thing MapleLeaf. is if I had been here...I was rethinking my pick. I was looking STRONGLY at Paradise City for arena.
W00t. I am so picking that.

[Maple Leafs]

The funny thing MapleLeaf. is if I had been here...I was rethinking my pick. I was looking STRONGLY at Paradise City for arena.
If there was no "one song per artist" limitation, G'n'R would have about five songs taken in the first three rounds.

And incidentally, if you'd been here and done that, I would have cancelled the draft, deleted my account, and started cutting myself.

[Subby]

If there was no "one song per artist" limitation, G'n'R would have about five songs taken in the first three rounds.
This is such a great rule...

[st.cronin]

G'n'R? Never heard of them.

[Lathum]

G'n'R? Never heard of them.

I was gonna ask you to pick for me if I wasn't around, but, umm...

[Maple Leafs]

Crapshoot, go ahead and pick whenever you're ready. I have to leave at 3:00 for a bit so maybe we can get past my pick before then.

[ntndeacon]

I am about to go to class until 3:30. Do you want a list from me Maple? i have 4 songs ready for picking.

[st.cronin]

Am I the only one who thinks this is more fun than the NFL draft?

[lordscarlet]

I love the lordscarlet pick, I think that's the steal of the draft so far. I had it #1 on my big board.

Walk This Way is like Tony Gonzalez in a fantasy draft five years ago. Not necessariy the best overall player available, but so far ahead of everyone else at the position that it's a good pick.

Thanks guys. :) This was pretty much my logic.

The funny thing MapleLeaf. is if I had been here...I was rethinking my pick. I was looking STRONGLY at Paradise City for arena.

I bet he knew! He didn't want you to block his pick. Damn psychics.

[Crapshoot]

Will do.

Substituting for Bucc, with the 2.2 pick:


Edit: I'm an idiot.

[ntndeacon]

Am I the only one who thinks this is more fun than the NFL draft?

cant be the only one..I agree. this is a hoot!

[Maple Leafs]

I am about to go to class until 3:30. Do you want a list from me Maple? i have 4 songs ready for picking.
Yes please.

[wade moore]

This is such a great rule...

The no duplicating artists rule makes this game what it is I think... otherwise it would just be full of like 15 or so artists...

[Maple Leafs]

Will do.

Substituting for Bucc, with the 2.2 pick:

For the The Anti-Establishment Song I take The Clash - London Calling. They used to call The Clash "the only band that matters", and there's basically the zenith of punk rock - back when punk meant something, as opposed to Sum 41 and Good Charlotte or whatever the heck passes for punk now. London Calling is one of the most eerie, haunting songs you'll ever here - with a giant F.U to the world at large.
Bucc already has an anti-establishment song.

[st.cronin]

Will do.

Substituting for Bucc, with the 2.2 pick:

For the The Anti-Establishment Song I take The Clash - London Calling. They used to call The Clash "the only band that matters", and there's basically the zenith of punk rock - back when punk meant something, as opposed to Sum 41 and Good Charlotte or whatever the heck passes for punk now. London Calling is one of the most eerie, haunting songs you'll ever here - with a giant F.U to the world at large.

Not a bad song, but I think anti-establishment is such a deep position that you don't really need to reach at this stage.

I give the pick a B-

[lordscarlet]

Am I the only one who thinks this is more fun than the NFL draft?

I concur.

[lordscarlet]

Not a bad song, but I think anti-establishment is such a deep position that you don't really need to reach at this stage.

I give the pick a B-

F for not reading the directions. ;)

[Crapshoot]

Sorry about that - busy at work and got confused. Give me 2 min.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, needs to be a repick there.

[Maple Leafs]

Ironically, you've shown your contempt for the establishment by not following the posted rules.

[Lathum]

I love that song and the Clash but I think that pick is a stretch there. I would say 80% of the voters will have no clue what that song is.

[Crapshoot]

With the "revised" pick 2.2, Bucc/Crapshoot take
I can't get no satisfaction by the Rolling Stones in the Epic category. Perhaps the greatest song by the greatest rock band in history - can't go wrong with that.

[Crapshoot]

Ironically, you've shown your contempt for the establishment by not following the posted rules.

Exactly - fight the power!

[st.cronin]

F for not reading the directions. ;)

that too

[Maple Leafs]

So Bucc's list is now:

Classic -
Epic - 2.2 - Satisfaction - Rolling Stones
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 1.9 - Fight the Power - Public Enemy

lordscarlet is up

[Maple Leafs]

I like the pick, but is Satisfaction really an epic (vs. just a classic)?

[st.cronin]

If he had gone with the Britney Spears version, he could have gotten the woman out of the way, and kept the Stones on the board for a later pick.

Poor planning.

[rkmsuf]

You have to go Hootie and the Blowfish here.

[Crapshoot]

If he had gone with the Britney Spears version, he could have gotten the woman out of the way, and kept the Stones on the board for a later pick.

Poor planning.

:D

I didn't think the Stones would last past this round. ML's right - in retrospect, I would have put it in the Classic category, as opposed to the Epic.

[lordscarlet]

Modification to "The Bucc rule". I think he should be allowed to keep the song and change categories.

[wade moore]

I like the pick, but is Satisfaction really an epic (vs. just a classic)?

Totally with you here.

[Logan]

I sense a gigantic "HUH??!!?" coming from Bucc in a couple hours.

[st.cronin]

I think ML should move it to classic.

[Lathum]

Modification to "The Bucc rule". I think he should be allowed to keep the song and change categories.

I thought the same thing

[lordscarlet]

dola: give me a few mins to fight with myself and I will have my pick. :)

[lordscarlet]

Not after this commentary.

He's getting screwed already by not getting to make his own pick, I think it's the least we can do.

[NoMyths]

He's getting screwed already by not getting to make his own pick, I think it's the least we can do.

Yeah, I deleted my comment (and also my commentary).

On the other hand, is Crapshoot a co-owner or just a proxy for us to help Bucc make the best choice to beat us? ;)

[Lathum]

does anyone else get the feeling the one hit wonders are gonna be like closers in a baseball draft. Once someone picks one there will be a mad scramble on them

[wade moore]

does anyone else get the feeling the one hit wonders are gonna be like closers in a baseball draft. Once someone picks one there will be a mad scramble on them

Nope.

[st.cronin]

I was thinking that would happen with covers, actually.

[lordscarlet]

Classic -
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

My pick last round factored in picking again 4 slots later; I could have easily taken "Rapper's Delight" at 1.8. My original pre-draft email to ML said that I wanted trendsetter first no matter what (I had "Smells Like Teen Spirit" originally.) This was still a tough pick for me. I had some thoughts in other categories since 1.8 and some other thoughts here. I will expand when it will no longer help anyone else.

On to "Rapper's Delight". It is the definitive rap song. There is no argument as to what started the genre, hell, it named the genre. I couldn't go with a better trendsetter. I don't know that this is quite the Tony Gonzalez pick that "Walk This Way" was, but I think it's like picking between LT, LJ and Alexander.

[Lathum]

guess I'm weird

[Subby]

Very strong pick in the trendsetter category.

lordscarlet draft so far: A+

[Maple Leafs]

Modification to "The Bucc rule". I think he should be allowed to keep the song and change categories.
Sounds fair.

[lordscarlet]

Very strong pick in the trendsetter category.

lordscarlet draft so far: A+

:flex:

[Lathum]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.

[st.cronin]

Very strong pick in the trendsetter category.

lordscarlet draft so far: A+

I agree, I think he's just about lapped the competition at this point. This draft is now for second place.

[lordscarlet]

Oh, and.. Maple Leafs is on the clock at 2.4!

[st.cronin]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rkmsuf]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.


whoa

[lordscarlet]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.

I knew people would think this. But, no. I grew up with Country in the 80s, Grunge Rock, Country and some mainstream rap in the 90s, and primarily indie rock and punk rock in the 00s.

[Lathum]

Raise your hand if you have heard of The Organization !!

[Crapshoot]

Nice pick - The Sugarhill Gang were awesome.

[Bee]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

I am just wondering because I have never heard of the sugarhill gang and your first pick was also a rap song, kind of.


Someone that knows less about rap than me? Is that possible?

[wade moore]

Lordscarlet, did you grow up a rap fan?

If you only knew how funny this question is.

[Lathum]

Someone that knows less about rap than me? Is that possible?

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

[wade moore]

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

Well, fwiw, the song is considered to be the first ever hit rap song and basically the origin of the entire genre.

In my mind it is more clear a "trendsetter" than the previously mentioned "Smell's Like Teen Spirit" because you could argue that there were a lot of similar bands and songs that cropped up atht esame time as Teen Spirit, and that it just happened to be the most popular.

[lordscarlet]

Raise your hand if you have heard of The Organization !!

If you mean The Organisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_%28band%29), you didn't even spell it correctly. And if that's who you mean, then, no, I haven't. :) I can throw a lot of things out there that people won't know that I would love to draft. They'll be Free Agent picks, though. No sense in waiting on a draft pick. ;)

[Logan]

Growing up I despised rap and still do to this day.

I have been a musician since I was 8 and appreciate every kind of music but for some reason I have never had any tolerance for rap.

I've heard other people say this, coming from similar perspectives (they love all types of music, can appreciate all kinds, etc.), but am totally confused how that could be possible. I could understand not appreciating the lyrics, especially more recently with the heavy emphasis on violence and women...but the beats, the rhythms, sometimes I'm just amazed at what I'm hearing (underneath the lyrics).

[Maple Leafs]

My pick is coming up... an artist who's been pacing the green room and frantically calling their agent to ask why they haven't been taken yet.

[ISiddiqui]

I agree, I think he's just about lapped the competition at this point. This draft is now for second place.

Great start, but this comment is a biiit too early. Lots of other catagories around, and I do think that most voters will be looking more at the "Classic" and "Epic" catagories than any other to be frank.

[Lathum]

If you mean The Organisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_%28band%29), you didn't even spell it correctly. And if that's who you mean, then, no, I haven't. :) I can throw a lot of things out there that people won't know that I would love to draft. They'll be Free Agent picks, though. No sense in waiting on a draft pick. ;)

Not the same. The organization is a band that was formerly known as death angel.


I am in no means being critical of the pic or of the artist and their effect on that genre. I would have never listened to a rap song at the point I was at in the early 90's.

[Bee]

My pick is coming up... an artist who's been pacing the green room and frantically calling their agent to ask why they haven't been taken yet.


Billy Joel? :D

[lordscarlet]

Not the same. The organization is a band that was formerly known as death angel.


I am in no means being critical of the pic or of the artist and their effect on that genre. I would have never listened to a rap song at the point I was at in the early 90's.

And I didn't think you were. I'm rather certain I have never heard "Rapper's Delight" all the way through, I'm just quite aware of it. "Walk This Way" was originally an Aerosmith song (could've been used in Covers I think) and was and has been heavily rotated ever since.

[Lathum]

I've heard other people say this, coming from similar perspectives (they love all types of music, can appreciate all kinds, etc.), but am totally confused how that could be possible. I could understand not appreciating the lyrics, especially more recently with the heavy emphasis on violence and women...but the beats, the rhythms, sometimes I'm just amazed at what I'm hearing (underneath the lyrics).

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.

[Subby]

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.
oooh that just made me think of a good cover

[Lathum]

"Walk This Way" was originally an Aerosmith song (could've been used in Covers I think) and was and has been heavily rotated ever since.

that I know

[Maple Leafs]

Classic -
Epic -
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

This is the song that introduced Elvis to America, which in turn makes it the song that introduced Rock and Roll to much of meainstream (i.e. white) America. Yes, black artists had been doing rock and roll for years and Rock Around the Clock had already come and gone, and you could even argue that "That's All Right" was the real Elvis crossover song. But Heartbreak Hotel was the big hit that largely launched the Rock and Roll era, not to mention Elvis's career.

And yes, like a lot of songs that will be taken early this techincally could also be a cover. But I doubt the voters think of it that way.

[Bee]

Great start, but this comment is a biiit too early. Lots of other catagories around, and I do think that most voters will be looking more at the "Classic" and "Epic" catagories than any other to be frank.

I agree. BTW, I think Bucc got a steal with the Stones song in the second round. I think that was a better pick than the Public Enemy song personally (which I thought also was a solid pick).

[NoMyths]

Yep, good pick, Maple. I was thinking it might be Hound Dog, though.

[Maple Leafs]

Yep, good pick, Maple. I was thinking it might be Hound Dog, though.
That was my original pick, I changed my mind a few times before posting.

[NoMyths]

That was my original pick, I changed my mind a few times before posting.

Well, either way, it's good to be King. ;)

[Crapshoot]

Huh - I gotta say, purely on personal taste, Presley never did it for me. I can recognize the impact without liking the music though. :D

[Maple Leafs]

ntndeacon PM'ed his pick...

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[lordscarlet]

I guess for the same reason I can't undersatnd how someone can't appreciate bagpipes, tin whistles and fiddles in punk music. shrug.

I don't understand them either. :)


Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley

This is the song that introduced Elvis to America, which in turn makes it the song that introduced Rock and Roll to much of meainstream (i.e. white) America. Yes, black artists had been doing rock and roll for years and Rock Around the Clock had already come and gone, and you could even argue that "That's All Right" was the real Elvis crossover song. But Heartbreak Hotel was the big hit that largely launched the Rock and Roll era, not to mention Elvis's career.

And yes, like a lot of songs that will be taken early this techincally could also be a cover. But I doubt the voters think of it that way.

I had Elvis in my trendsetter list as well. However, I didn't pick him because of the reasons you list above. There are a lot of people that will discredit this pick because he was not the first true rock 'n roll artist, covered a lot of his songs, etc, etc. Good pick, though. I think he had to be a top trendsetter pick.

[st.cronin]

Huh - I gotta say, purely on personal taste, Presley never did it for me. I can recognize the impact without liking the music though. :D

ditto

There's a couple of artists I'm surprised ML passed over for that pick. In FOF terms, that's a high volatility pick - the voters may love it, they may hate it.

[Surtt]

ntndeacon PM'ed his pick...

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena -
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -


That would have been my Anti-Establishment song.

[Subby]

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

[Lathum]

this trade has me screwed up, can someone print the order of the next few picks

[NoMyths]

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

I'll echo everyone else -- a solid song to pick, but probably the least effective category to put it in.

[Maple Leafs]

I had Elvis in my trendsetter list as well. However, I didn't pick him because of the reasons you list above. There are a lot of people that will discredit this pick because he was not the first true rock 'n roll artist, covered a lot of his songs, etc, etc. Good pick, though. I think he had to be a top trendsetter pick.
Yeah, it's a tricky pick. "Elvis copied rock and roll from black artists" is like "Video Killed the Radio Star was the first song played on MTV" -- it's one of those things that everybody already knows, but some people still insist on treaking like it's a groundbreaking piece of news.

Still, putting all that aside, anyone who claims Elvis Presley wasn't one of the two or three most influential figures in rock and roll history is just trying to be argumentative.

[vtbub]

Classic - Yesterday- The Beatles 1.5
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - Rock Around The Clock- Bill Haley and The Comets 2.6
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

The song that set the trend.

[Surtt]

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

It certainly fits into either category.

I was a in high school when it came out and remember it more for the social cometary then just as a great song.

[lordscarlet]

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

I think there is a gigantic blurry line between Arena Rocker and Epic. A lot of things can go in both.

this trade has me screwed up, can someone print the order of the next few picks

Should be:

2.6 vtbub
2.7 Butter_of_69
2.8 NoMyths
2.9 Lathum
2.10 Subby

Round 3
3.1 Subby
3.2 Lathum
3.3 NoMyths
3.4 Butter_of_69
3.5 Maple Leafs
3.6 ntndeacon
3.7 vtbub
3.8 lordscarlet
3.9 Buccaneer
3.10 Oilers9911

[wade moore]

I would put Another Brick in the Wall squarely in the arena category, for sure...Pink Floyd was the definitive arena rock band for a while, no?

If you're going Floyd for Arena Rock, I don't see how this is the song you pick - particularly based on the definition that Maple Leafs laid out.

[Lathum]

cool, thanks.

My pick is still intact

[st.cronin]

Wow, trendsetter is becoming like the center position in the NBA, or like DH in MLB. Teams are just putting random guys in the lineup, without even checking to see if they're any good.

[Maple Leafs]

I'll give Butter a little while to show up, otherwise I have a pick to use for him.

[ISiddiqui]

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.

[wade moore]

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.

I think it also becomes tricky to define that they were truely a trendsetter. That's what I was trying to say earlier. Finding songs that A) Are truely trendsetters and B) People know are trendsetters - will be difficult.

[Maple Leafs]

Trendsetter is going to be difficult now. Sure there are plenty of trendsetting artists/songs unpicked, but the question is how many of the voters will recognize, say, a trendsetting Blues song.
Bingo.

Not to mention, the category isn't "most influential", it's "trendsetting". There's a difference. Can something (relativelty) obscure really be considered a trendsetter? Or is the song that rips it off and becomes a hit the trendsetter?

Edit: For example, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wasn't especially original. That sound had been around for years, and many great bands had come and gone in relative obscurity playing songs that sounded an awful lot like what Nirvana ended up releasing. They didn't invent anything or even perfect it, but they were the ones who brought it to a larger audience. Original? No. Trendsetting? Without question.

[cthomer5000]

Bingo.

Not to mention, the category isn't "most influential", it's "trendsetting". There's a difference. Can something (relativelty) obscure really be considered a trendsetter? Or is the song that rips it off and becomes a hit the trendsetter?

yeah... bands like Velvet Underground do have massive influence, but the public is entirely unaware. In a competition like this you need to go for mass appeal, baby.

[Maple Leafs]

I see NoMyths is in the thread, so I'll make Butter's pick now so we can keep moving.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 2.7 - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols

[Crapshoot]

I see NoMyths is in the thread, so I'll make Butter's pick now so we can keep moving.

Classic -
Epic - 1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 2.7 - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols

Nice - though I obviously preferred London Calling.

[st.cronin]

NoMyths is going to pick a woman, I can feel it.

[Maple Leafs]

Nice - though I obviously preferred London Calling.
It will be awesome when that song gets picked in the tenth round and everyone says "wait, wasn't that already taken?"

[NoMyths]

NoMyths is going to pick a woman, I can feel it.

Ooooh....scary. Pick on its way...

[Subby]

Ooooh....scary pick on its way...
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE

[st.cronin]

Definitely don't have to worry about a Michael Penn tune here ... its too early in the draft for that.

[NoMyths]

A tough choice here, as there are songs I'd prefer to have earlier, but that "two songs sung by women" rule is going to bite some folks in the tail. I'm going to avoid the coming crunch by taking one one of the most popularly beloved and critically important songs by a woman artist. The song has it all -- social consciousness, the civil rights era backdrop, an African-American woman demanding her due...and it rocks, too. Every female vocalist in the modern era walks the trail this song blazed. I also get bonus points for having seen her perform it. With that:

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic -
Arena -
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

[Lathum]

I'm up. correct?

[NoMyths]

Yep.