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MizzouRah

02-26-2007, 10:35 PM

I'll be picking this one up for the 360 after work tomorrow!

bulletsponge

02-26-2007, 10:37 PM

you dont even have the game and you started a first impressions thread. you just wanted to be the one to start the thread right?

MizzouRah

02-26-2007, 10:50 PM

you dont even have the game and you started a first impressions thread. you just wanted to be the one to start the thread right?

Why not? I'm done with the demo and I know some will have this game and might post in the MLB 2k7 thread that has demo impressions.

Pumpy Tudors

02-27-2007, 07:28 AM

I only reserved my copy yesterday, so I guess they didn't get around to giving me a call about it being in today. I'll stop in after work to check up on it, though. Cardinals all the way, baby!

MizzouRah

02-27-2007, 08:47 AM

I only reserved my copy yesterday, so I guess they didn't get around to giving me a call about it being in today. I'll stop in after work to check up on it, though. Cardinals all the way, baby!

Oh yeah! They called last night and my wife gave me the :rolleyes:

Terps

02-27-2007, 10:08 AM

Going to try to find this now.. WalMart didn't have it out at midnight, because they told me they didn't put them out until during the day, but The Show was already on the shelves. *shrug*

Flasch186

02-27-2007, 10:28 AM

trip to Gamestop #1, failure. UPS hasnt shown up yet.

Ill go in an hour.

"why not call?"

I can tell that they hate that.

Terps

02-27-2007, 01:51 PM

Just got home with it, haven't done anything except change the settings so far.

AgustusM

02-27-2007, 01:56 PM

glad to see someone has it.

last week Amazon changed delivery to 2/27

today they changed it back to 3/5

calling EB games now

AgustusM

02-27-2007, 02:06 PM

EB says they have it - cancelling the amazon one and tehn off to the store.

Terps

02-27-2007, 02:06 PM

If anyone has any questions or anything you want me to look for, go ahead and ask.

Just messing around with editing some guys right now. The Orioles two players that I had to edit that were scabs were Jamie Walker and Kevin Millar. The first and last initial of the players is the same as what their correct names should be. Joe Young (Barry Bonds) might be the exception to that rule.

Joe Canadian

02-27-2007, 02:15 PM

Is there any type of assisted fielding in the retail version?

Terps

02-27-2007, 02:16 PM

No option for auto or assisted fielding. When the ball is hit the player will move towards it for a couple steps for you though.

Terps

02-27-2007, 02:22 PM

Started a game up with the O's against the D Rays. I think the graphics look much better than in the demo. Maybe they didn't seem as nice in a dump like Shea Stadium.

I drew a 5 pitch walk with Brian Roberts my first at bat.

MizzouRah

02-27-2007, 02:22 PM

I know there is a small update to the game when you log onto XBL, also there is a roster update that's dated 02/16.

rowech

02-27-2007, 02:59 PM

I'm wondering what folks are seeing different from the demo, if anything.

Terps

02-27-2007, 03:22 PM

After a half of a game, I don't think I'm going to have any problem with pitchers stamina or pitch counts. Jae-Weong Seo was already down into the 20's in stamina in the 5th inning after around 70 pitches before he got taken out. He went 4 IP, 2 R on 7 hits, 4 walks, and 5 K's. So the computer will throw balls, you just have to be patient.

By contrast, I have Erik Bedard pitching, and he's at about 45% stamina after 5 innings, with about 75-80 pitches thrown. So far, 5 IP, 2 R on 6 hits, 0 BB and 3 K's.

Pumpy Tudors

02-27-2007, 03:23 PM

In about 2 hours, I should be playing, unless the local Gamestop hoses me and claims they didn't get it today.

mauchow

02-27-2007, 03:43 PM

I got it this morning... been sitting on the shelf since, thanks to work. After I close on my house tonight and go out to eat to celebrate, THEN and only then will I get a few hours worth of playing in.. oh, who am I kidding, about 10 hours as I stay up through the night playing. Yes!

dj_morton

02-27-2007, 04:26 PM

I have to wait a couple of weeks for AAFES to get the game in. One of the pleasures of being stationed in the UK, last to get EVERYTHING!!

AgustusM

02-27-2007, 04:37 PM

graphics look good, but somehow not up to the level that I saw on the previews - not sure what is going on there and if I need to check some settings. I would call it 80% HD for lack of a better term. Better then last year, but not off the charts better like I saw in the previews.

pitching was relatively easy - I gave up 2 runs that both could have been prevented with better defense - a single I played into a triple and a walk and 2 SB's while I threw to first instead of to the correct base.

Hitting I was awful which was probably a combination of a bad lineup (Giants) a great pitcher (Peavy) and some poor joystick jockeying (me) - I got shutout on 6 hits, mostly seeing eye grounders up the middle. It didn't help that I hit into 3 double plays. I didn't even close to an extra base hit.

I do really like the new menu - I hated the old 2k right stick menu thing. this new one is all drop downs almost like a PC text game. everything is right there and easy to find. Big improvement in that department for me.

rowech

02-27-2007, 04:59 PM

I'm wondering about the graphics then because many on various forums have mentioned the graphics don't matchup compared to the video they released.

INDalltheway

02-27-2007, 05:00 PM

I've had too much fun with this playing with some friends. Defense takes a little getting used to, but is doable.

sooner333

02-27-2007, 05:11 PM

I'm really bad at hitting, but the game is pretty fun and will get better as I get better.

I'm thinking about turning on the option where the sliders will adjust for you depending on how you are playing. Not sure how this will really work though.

Also, one kind of bug was when the runner took off for second on 3-2 count, I walked him but threw to second anyway. The ball went away from the fielders but the camera never changed, allowing the runner to score, because I couldn't get to the ball. The batter got to third and scored on the next play.

korme

02-27-2007, 05:16 PM

Is this game supposed to be better than The Show?

Pumpy Tudors

02-27-2007, 05:19 PM

omg a shorty sighting

heybrad

02-27-2007, 05:22 PM

What better MLB2K7 or Shorty sighting?

Flasch186

02-27-2007, 05:36 PM

I have to wake up from this dream.

Shorty is in the house so I know Im still sleeping.

I need to wake up to go buy this....in my dream I already did and am doing a PS3 system update right now, but I know that that's not true.

AgustusM

02-27-2007, 06:39 PM

I'm wondering about the graphics then because many on various forums have mentioned the graphics don't matchup compared to the video they released.

I only played one game - and the graphics are good - but they don't appear as clear as the video.

Now my HD TV is 3 years old and doesn't have 1080P - I didn't even notice what resolution the game was playing in, but too me it wasn't up to the standards of the video.

However my normal day to day HD watching is very high quality and my TV was top of the line, when I bought it.

Not sure why the graphics are "off" I am going to play at a friends tonight who has a brand new HDTV that does have 1080P and is very high end - so I will see if that makes a difference.

Terps

02-27-2007, 07:27 PM

Alright, the first game I played I didn't have this problem, so I don't know what I did to have it come up now. But, when I play now there's a Orioles logo in the outfield and I know for a fact it wasn't there the first time I played and I don't know how to turn it off.

MizzouRah

02-27-2007, 08:04 PM

Played my first full game vs the Royals. Pace is perfect, and I agree, pitching stamina is spot on. AI made some great moves against me as well.

I did have their CF make 3 spectacular catches against me, which I hope is only because I'm on pro? I don't want to see that many every game.

Game looks beautiful to me, I play on a 20" LCD widescreen.

I also have to use "classic" hitting as I don't like the swing stick as of yet.

EaglesFan27, I don't think you'll like the fielding, but you have a 50" HDTV so who knows.. it's the same as the demo though - I would rent it first if I was you. :)

Need more gaming time.

rowech

02-27-2007, 08:33 PM

I played the demo 3 times tonight. I'm not sure this one's a purchase. I hit a single to centerfield that went by the centerfielder. He stood there and waited for the rightfielder to come all the way over to get the ball after the ball had stopped probably not 6 feet from him!

Secondly, there are WAAAAAYYYYY too many wild pitches in this game. I realize the pitching is sensitive but it's unacceptable. Also seems to be way too easy to hit homeruns (at least on rookie level).

I wouldn't say it's a bad game but it's not a complete game. I think next year it should be at the level of MLB the show.

Terps

02-27-2007, 08:39 PM

I haven't seen a wild pitch thrown yet.

rowech

02-27-2007, 08:46 PM

Are you kidding me Terps? In a 3 inning game, I'll throw about 6 or 7 and the computer will throw 2 or 3.

Flasch186

02-27-2007, 08:52 PM

my first game, i made it through 7 innings....threw one in the first due to my lack of reading the manual regarding how to pitch but not one the rest of the way.....3 pitcher ejections though :)

Groundhog

02-27-2007, 08:57 PM

How do you guys actually play a season in a baseball sim? With each team playing approx. 1,975 games per season, do you all just play one game per 378, or do you all quit your jobs, get wired on speed, and play through the whole thing 24x7? That should give you enough time to finish a season before MLB 2K8 comes along.

Terps

02-27-2007, 09:10 PM

Are you kidding me Terps? In a 3 inning game, I'll throw about 6 or 7 and the computer will throw 2 or 3.

Nope, not a one. I've had a passed ball, and that was it.

sooner333

02-27-2007, 09:11 PM

Not sure if you're serious or not, but generally people will play the games of one team. I know I had a dynasty with a friend where we would play the first game of a series and manage the others.

markprior22

02-27-2007, 09:29 PM

Anyone playing the original XBox version? If so...any comments/feedback?

kingnebwsu

02-27-2007, 10:03 PM

I don't think there's an original Xbox version.

markprior22

02-27-2007, 10:21 PM

Yeah...it's out for original XBox...just not much feedback available.

INDalltheway

02-27-2007, 10:31 PM

If you read how to pitch you wont throw that many wild pitches, only when you pitcher is tired or rattled. I think I have thrown 2 wild pitches in 5 games. Learn how to play the game before you bash it.

MizzouRah

02-27-2007, 10:34 PM

The full version seems much more complete than the demo to me. Maybe because it has more presentation? Looks better as well.

I'm really getting into this game now after bumping the difficulty to all star.

Much fun so far!

Joe Canadian

02-27-2007, 10:45 PM

7.9 from IGN... I'll probably rent it this weekend and see how it goes. The lack of any sort of assisted fielding killed the chance this would be a blind pick-up for me, I picked up CoD 2 & the Quick Charge unit instead.

RGunner

02-27-2007, 11:16 PM

jbmagic

02-27-2007, 11:58 PM

man you're already bumping it to all star...i suck at this...cant do the swing stick, so i switched it to classic, 0-2 in my franchise already, lost 4-0 and 3-2 on a walk off home run the second game, but the gameplay is great....having a lot of fun already...

Does pitcher fatigue work well? Or you can bring back your pitchers back the next day because they recover quickly?

sooner333

02-28-2007, 12:43 AM

Unfortunately, it appears the franchise mode is somewhat broken according to the folks at OS forums. Hopefully it gets fixed pretty soon.

Anyone else going to try the sliders that adjust based on your play??? I'm thinking about it just for more fun games, but I don't know how much better I would get.

INDalltheway

02-28-2007, 12:57 AM

Unfortunately, it appears the franchise mode is somewhat broken according to the folks at OS forums. Hopefully it gets fixed pretty soon.
What seems to be broken? I have just been messing around with it and it seems deep. The InsideEdge scouting reports are something I could look at for hours.. It seems really deep, and it is looking like the stats are realistic. Enlighten me.

sooner333

02-28-2007, 01:57 AM

What seems to be broken? I have just been messing around with it and it seems deep. The InsideEdge scouting reports are something I could look at for hours.. It seems really deep, and it is looking like the stats are realistic. Enlighten me.

Apparently free agency isn't working really well and lineup logic once players get hurt is not good either. Maybe the free agency is weird because players are currently making between 50k and 2 million, then players start commanding real salaries. Like look at Clemens, he wants 12 mil for the year while Zito is making 1.7 mil.

MizzouRah

02-28-2007, 09:43 AM

I usually don't do multiple seasons, so maybe "season" mode will be fine as I plan to play every game.

Pumpy Tudors

02-28-2007, 10:21 AM

I played a little bit last night, and while I like the game, I still hate the view. I have no problem with a game in widescreen, but both last year's and this year's MLB look "squished" to me. It just seems like the screen space wasn't used very well. I appreciate what they're trying to do with the widescreen, but it appears to be TOO wide. I'd rather lose a little bit of the view on the sides and get more top-to-bottom, but I guess I'm stuck with this.

Other than that, though, I like the game.

MizzouRah

02-28-2007, 11:09 AM

On thing I've read you can do is in the camera options, change the zoom from default (20) to (0). I haven't tried this yet, so I don't know what it really does.

Terps

02-28-2007, 11:57 AM

I changed mine from 20 to 0 and I only have a 34" HD widescreen. The other view looked great too, but I just prefer it to be zoomed out.

Terps

02-28-2007, 11:59 AM

Apparently free agency isn't working really well and lineup logic once players get hurt is not good either. Maybe the free agency is weird because players are currently making between 50k and 2 million, then players start commanding real salaries. Like look at Clemens, he wants 12 mil for the year while Zito is making 1.7 mil.

The salaries got messed up in the roster update that was available for download. I'm assuming that should be an easy fix for the next download they put up.

sooner333

02-28-2007, 12:11 PM

The salaries got messed up in the roster update that was available for download. I'm assuming that should be an easy fix for the next download they put up.

Dang, I better hold off on continuing my franchise then. Oh well, I'll screw around in exhibitions and play some more College Hoops until then.

mauchow

02-28-2007, 03:54 PM

I'm playing on Pro and we won our very first game 5-3 with five solo homers... hopefully that won't happen again, but it is classic Cubbies that we won that way.

sooner333

02-28-2007, 03:58 PM

My second game I won 5-2 on a Barry Bonds 8th inning homer. Miller said it was headed foul, but then exclaims it hit the foul pole and it was gone! Pretty cool stuff. I also had a few sacrifice bunts and even successfully bunted for a single, with Dave Roberts, for maybe my first time in video game history.

Eaglesfan27

02-28-2007, 04:27 PM

EaglesFan27, I don't think you'll like the fielding, but you have a 50" HDTV so who knows.. it's the same as the demo though - I would rent it first if I was you. :)

Need more gaming time.

I actually have a 60" TV (remember my wife talked me into getting that instead of the 50" :)) I rarely rent games as I usually just take the plunge or avoid them all together. I'm going to read OS (or further impressions on here) to see how badly the franchise is messed up, but I'm going to rent this in the next few weeks if the franchise mode doesn't seem too messed up.

Terps

02-28-2007, 07:25 PM

Had a hell of a game earlier. O's/Red Sox. I was cruising along with Erik Bedard but not really paying any mind to what was going on. By the 6th inning I noticed that I was tossing a perfect game. Fast forward to the bottom of the 9th, one out... Coco Crisp bloops one into left in between Tejada and Huff, perfect game over.

Bedard's final line: 9 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 0 BB, and 10 K's.

The announcers started talking about my chance for it in the 7th inning. This was on All-Star difficulty. I ended up winning 7-0. Hit a grand slam with Aubrey Huff in the 8th.

Flasch186

02-28-2007, 07:56 PM

no wild pitches?

Terps

02-28-2007, 08:00 PM

I haven't thrown a wild pitch since I got the game.

MizzouRah

02-28-2007, 09:08 PM

Ok, I LOVE this game!

The dynamic lighting is unreal. I played a game at home at 6pm and it went from shade to sun light to shade, to lights on. Wow!

It was chilly and you could see their breath.

I love how your players back you up and sometimes make the play.

When a ball is hit to the wall, you better know how it's going to carum or you're screwed.

I had my first run down and it was so realistic.

I've made some slider changes and I love how they save instantly:

All Star Defaults
1. Infielder speed down 1 click
2. Outfielder speed down 1 click
3. Runner base running speed up 1 click

I also love the pause game history that you can replay every play that happened in the game.

This game is great! I might stay up all night tonight.

Terps

02-28-2007, 09:23 PM

Any of you going to be playing this online at all?

I just played a game online with one of my buddies and he was up on me 7-0 in the 6th and I came back to beat him 10-9. Went 5-5 with Nick Markakis with a HR and a double.

Terps

02-28-2007, 10:07 PM

This is still driving me crazy... I know I've played games without there being a logo in my outfield and now I can't figure out why it's there. I just played online and it wasn't there either, and now when I go to exhibition it is. It's not a big deal but it drives me nuts.

SFL Cat

02-28-2007, 10:09 PM

Man...the older I get, the less into games like this I am. *sigh*

RGunner

02-28-2007, 10:17 PM

im finally getting a hang of this, im 3-2 in my franchise (with the rangers too) on pro, probably going to bump it to all star soon but this game is addicting...probably going to get on soon too

MizzouRah

02-28-2007, 10:36 PM

Update on my sliders:
All Star Defaults
1. Infielder speed down 1 click
2. Outfielder speed down 2 clicks (30)
3. Runner base running speed up 2 clicks (50)
This game is so much fun!

MizzouRah

02-28-2007, 11:31 PM

Edit: Lower outfield throwing speed -1 click.

Terps

03-01-2007, 01:00 AM

Anyone know how to check swing with the classic batting option? I can't figure it out.

RGunner

03-01-2007, 02:21 AM

Anyone know how to check swing with the classic batting option? I can't figure it out.

ive heard that u have to tap A again after u first hit it, its a pain in the ass i dont know why they would do it like that

Terps

03-01-2007, 01:51 PM

I've seen a few people post that while swinging you have to pull the right trigger to check the swing. I'm going to try it out now to see if it works.

Terps

03-01-2007, 02:04 PM

Yeah it works, I just did it 3 times in a row. When you swing if you decide you want to lay off hit the right trigger.

Mike Lowe

03-01-2007, 02:08 PM

So what is the consensus on franchise and/or GM mode being busted. The mode looked impressive at first glance but I've heard BAAAAAAAD things. With grad school being hectic this week (and work) I haven't had time to play it much more than an hour or so (one game, took a look at franchise/GM modes).Thanks!

Terps

03-01-2007, 02:24 PM

I haven't even fired up franchise mode at all. I only play exhibitions and online because I like the rosters to be current day.

I use text sims for franchise mode.

Eaglesfan27

03-01-2007, 02:35 PM

I read of the problems with the franchise mode, but also have read that some of the problems might be due to people's expectations of what a name player should be doing. For example, Abreu is batting leadoff for the Yankees, but he has one of the highest speed ratings on that team so it makes sense from one perspective.

I keep reading that Fielding is "easier" in the full game than it was in the demo. Are any of you guys with the retail version seeing that?

sooner333

03-01-2007, 02:52 PM

Mike Lowe

03-01-2007, 03:02 PM

I think most people's franchise problems are due to injured players not getting back into the lineup and in some cases staying in AAA.

I've heard this as well. I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this sort of thing especially on this forum! I guess everyone either hasn't bought the game (not interested), returned it (hated it) or is playing the hell out of it! I'm hoping for the latter!

Eaglesfan27

03-01-2007, 03:11 PM

I've heard this as well. I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this sort of thing especially on this forum! I guess everyone either hasn't bought the game (not interested), returned it (hated it) or is playing the hell out of it! I'm hoping for the latter!

I'm guessing the guys who are playing it on here are playing out each game (or most of their games) and haven't gotten to this problem, yet.

dj_morton

03-01-2007, 03:16 PM

Are you kidding me Terps? In a 3 inning game, I'll throw about 6 or 7 and the computer will throw 2 or 3.

I've played the demo several times and have yet to see anyone throw a wild pitch.

MizzouRah

03-01-2007, 04:51 PM

I'm waiting on opening day rosters before doing anything and I think I'm only going to play a season.. it might be a bit before I see longevity bugs.

There is so much for me to "re-learn" from playing The Show last year.

To me, the fielding is by no means a selling point of the game, but it does what it was intended to do, just takes a bit of time to get used to and you HAVE to remember to let your fielders take their plight towards the ball before taking them over.

BigDPW

03-02-2007, 04:38 PM

Wow it has been 24 hours and no one has posted anything else on a game that was released this week... To me that is not a great sign??? I am thinking about picking this up but wanted to here more impressions from you guys here are FOFC... Ususally my thoughts about games fall in line with most of the guys here... More so than when I look at OS... Plus their impressions threads are often 75 page affairs that are all clutter with a few whiners that post every 5 minutes and only scattered helpful information...

Given that I like to play baseball with autofielding and that baseball console games are not something that I have to buy every year - Why should I buy this game? I already have The Show from last year on PS2 so I can always kick that game around some if I want my baseball fix...

Also are there any classic stadiums at all???
I remember playing High Heat back in the day and modding their stadiums on my PC to make cool minor league type ballparks... I think the most fun I ever had was modding a Crosley Field (I think that is what it was) to mimick the Durham Bull Athletic Park (their modern day AAA Stadium)... I also loved ASB's classic stadiums...

Anyone want to try and sell me on this game???

hukarez

03-02-2007, 05:54 PM

I decided to bite the bullet and picked up a copy of this today. It'll be the first time in a long time that I've played a baseball game for sure!

Mike Lowe

03-03-2007, 07:13 AM

I know I read this somewhere but I cannot find it now...

How do you access the league transaction/news page? There isn't a direct link to it but I remember someone saying you can access it through an email or something of that sort.

CraigSca

03-03-2007, 07:27 AM

I've held off on this.

I loved The Show last year, but abandoned the PS2 when mine died. I have no interest in the PS3, and I don't feel like buying the new version for my PSP because of the slowdown issues I've heard with the new version. Last year's "The Show" was darn near perfect. You have to give Sony credit for taking a great game and shooting it in the kneecap.

CraigSca

03-03-2007, 07:29 AM

dola

Getting back to why I've held off on MLB 2K7. Played the demo and it just didn't seem as crisp or as fun as The Show was last year on the PS2.

Little things like reading about all the robbing of homeruns and then seeing it myself in the very first demo game I played left a sour taste in my mouth.

Mike Lowe

03-03-2007, 07:52 AM

Ha, I just had opening day rained out after not evening making it through the top of the 1st. They called the game and said that it would be rescheduled at a later date. The game was drizzly looking at the time of the first pitch, I was surprised it was called!

MizzouRah

03-03-2007, 11:02 AM

I haven't posted because I've been playing the heck out of this game.

BigDPW

03-03-2007, 11:12 AM

I haven't posted because I've been playing the heck out of this game.

Since I haven't had alot of help from the guys here that have the game I reluctantly have spent some time over at OS this morning...

I just got through reading the "little things" thread at OS. There are some pretty sweet little touches in this game is sounds like...

I am leaning toward going to pick this up today... I am trying to resist since I have spent too much money on 360 games since I bought the system in December and I barely have enough time to play the ones I have now (and really enjoy) - CH2k7, NHL2k7, Winning Eleven 2007...

jbmagic

03-03-2007, 02:17 PM

I haven't posted because I've been playing the heck out of this game.

Franchise Mode is broken in MLB 2k7.

Injured players don't return to the lineup after coming off the DL. That means if Pujols is hurt for 3 weeks, he'll be out of the lineup for the rest of the season. CPU just doesn't put them back in the 25 man roster for some reason. Free Agents linger in Free Agency. This includes big time stars that just are not signed once the 2008 season kicks in. For those that are signed, most end up in AAA with no callup. The Phillies for some absurd reason let Howard go. The Mets picked him up and left him in AAA because they still had Delgado playing 1B.

MizzouRah

03-03-2007, 02:35 PM

Since I haven't had alot of help from the guys here that have the game I reluctantly have spent some time over at OS this morning...

I just got through reading the "little things" thread at OS. There are some pretty sweet little touches in this game is sounds like...

I am leaning toward going to pick this up today... I am trying to resist since I have spent too much money on 360 games since I bought the system in December and I barely have enough time to play the ones I have now (and really enjoy) - CH2k7, NHL2k7, Winning Eleven 2007...

I'm with you there. If you don't look too deep or try to get a sim feeling out of a console game, pick this one up.

I have this one and The Show on the ps2... I'm really wanting to see some real life baseball on TV. :)

dj_morton

03-03-2007, 03:11 PM

I love the game....a lot of ppl have been knocking the fielding, but it seems pretty slick to me...

Mike Lowe

03-03-2007, 03:56 PM

I love the game....a lot of ppl have been knocking the fielding, but it seems pretty slick to me...

I agee 100%. I've read all over some of these sites how awful the fielding is. My personal opinion is that it plays incredibly well, looks AMAZING and just feels very clean and smooth especially in the infield. I think pitching and fielding are just awesome in this game. Now if I could limit my strikeouts per AB I would be all set to go. I think I have the rest down.

dj_morton

03-03-2007, 04:26 PM

I agee 100%. I've read all over some of these sites how awful the fielding is. My personal opinion is that it plays incredibly well, looks AMAZING and just feels very clean and smooth especially in the infield. I think pitching and fielding are just awesome in this game. Now if I could limit my strikeouts per AB I would be all set to go. I think I have the rest down.

Yeah no kidding..my first game I struck out 17 times! I'm getting better though.

MizzouRah

03-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Set the zoom to 70-100, it moves you closer to the batter and helps me when hitting.

Pumpy Tudors

03-03-2007, 07:53 PM

Franchise Mode is broken in MLB 2k7.

Injured players don't return to the lineup after coming off the DL. That means if Pujols is hurt for 3 weeks, he'll be out of the lineup for the rest of the season. CPU just doesn't put them back in the 25 man roster for some reason. Free Agents linger in Free Agency. This includes big time stars that just are not signed once the 2008 season kicks in. For those that are signed, most end up in AAA with no callup. The Phillies for some absurd reason let Howard go. The Mets picked him up and left him in AAA because they still had Delgado playing 1B.
jbmagic is broken in FOFC 2k7.

jbmagic doesn't type in broken English after being away from the forum for a few weeks. That means that if jbmagic posts in a thread, he won't bring the same responses that we're used to seeing. jbmagic just doesn't put the wrong verb tense for some reason. His posts linger without multiple questions. This includes big time questions about a game's AI. For those questions that are asked, most end up going for days with no response. jbmagic for some absurd reason uses punctuation. A couple of people picked up on it and wondered what happened because jbmagic still uses the same name, but he's not the same person.

oykib

03-03-2007, 08:26 PM

jbmagic is broken in FOFC 2k7.

jbmagic doesn't type in broken English after being away from the forum for a few weeks. That means that if jbmagic posts in a thread, he won't bring the same responses that we're used to seeing. jbmagic just doesn't put the wrong verb tense for some reason. His posts linger without multiple questions. This includes big time questions about a game's AI. For those questions that are asked, most end up going for days with no response. jbmagic for some absurd reason uses punctuation. A couple of people picked up on it and wondered what happened because jbmagic still uses the same name, but he's not the same person.

So, now, we're ragging on jbmagic for making posts with correct grammar and spelling that contribute to the thread?

Then, I have to say that I, also, am quite upset at him for succinctly answering a question that I was wondering about.

JonInMiddleGA

03-03-2007, 08:29 PM

jbmagic is broken in FOFC 2k7.

Funny thing is that I read the post in question but didn't even notice who it was from since I was just scanning through the thread.

That aside, it's probably premature to say jbmagic is broken, since that might have simply been a cut-and-paste from somewhere else.

Sweed

03-03-2007, 08:47 PM

Funny thing is that I read the post in question but didn't even notice who it was from since I was just scanning through the thread.

That aside, it's probably premature to say jbmagic is broken, since that might have simply been a cut-and-paste from somewhere else.

Jeez, what are the odds of that? :D

Here's the link.. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=140146&page=2

post #30 :)

Pumpy Tudors

03-03-2007, 08:48 PM

So, now, we're ragging on jbmagic for making posts with correct grammar and spelling that contribute to the thread?
Well, you're in the ballpark.

rowech

03-03-2007, 09:44 PM

The question remains a bit though...are those flaws he mentioned real? Those are some real problems in a franchise mode.

Pumpy Tudors

03-03-2007, 09:53 PM

The question remains a bit though...are those flaws he mentioned real? Those are some real problems in a franchise mode.
Yes, by the accounts I've read on Operation Sports, they're real.

MizzouRah

03-03-2007, 11:00 PM

Franchise mode is broken in both MLB 2k7 and MLB The Show for the ps2.

I honestly don't really care.. I'll play ootp for deep franchise stuff and both of these games to get my graphics baseball fix.

If the ps3 version of The Show is flawless, I'll get a ps3. :) I think it's easy to say, it won't be.

sooner333

03-04-2007, 02:48 AM

Well, if franchise is broken...are you guys still playing it without trades and injuries for a seaosn. I mean, I won't play more than a season if I play every game...so is that pretty much the way to go?

rowech

03-04-2007, 06:09 AM

Bad trades/pickups I can live with but not putting a guy on the roster and leaving him in the minors could be a real problem.

BigDPW

03-04-2007, 07:22 AM

I ended up picking this up yesterday. I have only gotten in 2 games or so but I am enjoying it so far. At some point I will start a season... Still debating on what to do with the trades switch and the injury switch...

Flasch186

03-04-2007, 07:43 AM

i cant believe that this wont/cant be fixed by a forthcoming patch. no?

dj_morton

03-04-2007, 09:04 AM

Just had a guy run through the wall and throw from the stands..pretty cool haha

rowech

03-04-2007, 09:28 AM

It's stuff like that which just kills me on this game. That should NEVER happen.

Flasch186

03-04-2007, 09:54 AM

no, i think he means like in the college world series back in the day where the guy ran through the wall....it was slick!!

rowech

03-04-2007, 10:19 AM

I took it as he had a guy that just somehow magically ran through a wall.

markprior22

03-04-2007, 10:27 AM

These companies should have to provide the customer with a product that does the basic things advertised. If it claims to have a "deep franchise mode" or whatever and doesn't make trades, even attempt to handle rosters correctly, etc, then, in my opinion, it is false advertising. We should be able to get an updated disk (even if we pay for shipping) or the option to get a full refund.

I realize that no game will be perfect but I think most people on this forum recognize the difference between a small bug and something that is a gamebreaker for many folks.

Would reports to the BBB do any good? Just thinking out loud.

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 10:32 AM

Mike Lowe

03-04-2007, 10:34 AM

Pumpy Tudors

03-04-2007, 11:16 AM

While I admit that this shouldn't be necessary, it is possible to get the stars back into the AI's lineups, if I understand the comments on OS correctly.

First of all, the problems only seem to exist for players who go on the 60-day DL. There don't seem to be problems with people on the 15-day DL. With that said, you can force a guy back onto the AI team's big league roster. Here's basically what to do:

A is the star who's in the AI team's minors. B is a scrub on your team. C is a guy on the AI team's MLB roster.

Trade A for B. Now you have the star on your roster.
Trade A for C. Now the star is on the AI team's MLB roster.
Trade C for B. Now you have your scrub back, and C is back on the AI team.

Again, we shouldn't have to do this, but if you love the game outside of this problem, there is a workaround.

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 12:26 PM

I'm going to turn injuries off I guess.. but I'm hoping there is some way they can issue a patch via XBL?

If not, I just might play my season with The Show on the ps2 - although they won't trade or sign FA.. so pick your poison. :)

Best graphic baseball game this season is MVP 2005 with mods to update it to 2007.

Sorry Todd but your wrong about MLB 2k7 and MLB 07 The Show. Thats bug is a game breaker and unlikely you will see a patch for it.

Please stop telling people there both a great game just because you bought it. :)

MizzouRah

03-04-2007, 10:21 PM

I'm becoming a graphic whore.

Warts and all, I love this game. Now that the graphics and presentation is in place, I REALLY hope Brinkman and the 2k staff concentrate on the fielding, AI, and franchise mode.

Once the opening day rosters come out, I'm going to delve into a season. The game is just too much fun and is probably the most beautiful game I've ever played on a console or PC.

Play a game at 6am and watch the sun rise over the horizon. Play a game late in the day and watch how the shadows move on the field, lights will come on, and so forth. Watch how players wear sunglasses when it's sunny, how the pitcher puts on a jacket when he's on base, etc.. It's all fluf, but it's why I bought the 360 and it's what immerses me into a game. Just seeing a player move around and watch as his jersey moves realistically is enough for me.

The Show is so much like real baseball, but all I've been playing is MLB 2k7.

jbmagic

03-04-2007, 11:21 PM

rowech

03-05-2007, 04:49 AM

But for $60, how many people are going to just keep playing "pick-up games"

BigMak

03-05-2007, 06:12 AM

But for $60, how many people are going to just keep playing "pick-up games"

I don't think it is a "pick-up" game. On the field, the game plays extremely well. I have no problems with the fielding system. The cpu makes good in game decisions and varies the pitches being thrown.

I haven't started a season yet but if the problems in Franchise are all that is there, then I would be fine. I just play one year. Multiple years I would use a text sim.

I am still disappointed about the problems in Franchise mode and do not buy into the 3 year plan. That is just a cop out. If the feature is in the game then it should be working. However the game can still be played and enjoyed.

Ksyrup

03-05-2007, 10:10 AM

It's stuff like that which just kills me on this game. That should NEVER happen.

Unless it's supposed to, like in Maximum Football.

Terps

03-05-2007, 01:01 PM

But for $60, how many people are going to just keep playing "pick-up games"

I only play console games for exhibition games and online. I like having the rosters current to how they are in MLB as of the day I play it, and anytime someone creates a roster update I download it.

If it plays a good game of baseball, which this does, I have no problem just playing 'pick-up' games with it. Did the same thing with MVP '05 for 2 years.

Mizzou B-ball fan

03-06-2007, 06:59 PM

Wow. Bill Harris didn't pull any punches in his review of this game (he played the 360 version). Pretty much confirms what everyone is saying about this game. Some things in the game are really neat and some of the blatent problems are downright inexcusable. He called it a "$60 beta". Ouch.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/03/ben-brinkmans-unfinished-sports-games.html

rowech

03-06-2007, 08:24 PM

Ouch....that might be the final nail for me picking this one up.

Mizzou B-ball fan

03-06-2007, 08:38 PM

Ouch....that might be the final nail for me picking this one up.

Yeah, I don't always agree with Bill's opinions about certain things, but I rely heavily on his opinion when it comes to his reviews. He does a great job of going through a game and checking a lot of things that most gamers look for in a good game. If he calls it a 'great beta', I believe him.

MizzouRah

03-06-2007, 08:49 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

03-06-2007, 09:00 PM

Don't hold your breath that, "The Show" on your precious ps3 is going to be deemed, "The Best Damn Baseball Game Period" either.

If it is, I might have to trade my 360 in on a ps3. ;)

.. but judging from the issues with the ps2 version, it's going to be interesting to see just what SCEA has done porting it over..

MLB 2K7 is out on the PS3 as well, but my understanding is that it's not any better.

In regards to the PS2 problems on Show, the developers have already stated that the major bugs in the PS2 version will be cleaned up on the PS3 version. Until the game is out, it's awfully hard to judge the final product. I do think that having the PS3 release staggered is a good thing. They can clean up any of the problems to make sure the PS3 release goes well, because they need it to be good to make a good impression on the new system owners. If it's good, it will sell a lot of copies.

MizzouRah

03-06-2007, 09:30 PM

MLB 2K7 is out on the PS3 as well, but my understanding is that it's not any better.

In regards to the PS2 problems on Show, the developers have already stated that the major bugs in the PS2 version will be cleaned up on the PS3 version. Until the game is out, it's awfully hard to judge the final product. I do think that having the PS3 release staggered is a good thing. They can clean up any of the problems to make sure the PS3 release goes well, because they need it to be good to make a good impression on the new system owners. If it's good, it will sell a lot of copies.

That's what pisses me off about console game makers. Don't worry, if you want to play a "fixed" version of our game, get out your wallets and buck up $700 for the ps3 and our game!

It's complete bullshit... but unfortunetly, it's sports console gaming 2000.

MLB 2k7 does have many issues, but it has alot of innovations never seen before in a sports video game and for that, I'll deal with the issues for now.

jbmagic

03-06-2007, 09:37 PM

That's what pisses me off about console game makers. Don't worry, if you want to play a "fixed" version of our game, get out your wallets and buck up $700 for the ps3 and our game!

It's complete bullshit... but unfortunetly, it's sports console gaming 2000.

MLB 2k7 does have many issues, but it has alot of innovations never seen before in a sports video game and for that, I'll deal with the issues for now.

Damn

You sure teater totter your opinion a lot.

Icy

03-07-2007, 04:28 AM

I agree that those bugs are unexcusable and they should be forced to reissue a new copy to every buyer, it's like when a car has a defect and every owner is called to have it fixed, no matter if the company ends loosing money with it, because it's their fault. Right now they just say, ah, yes, there is a bug, but next year the game will be better and you can pay us again the full price to see if we are right, if not? ah ok, there is always a next year.

As i have sold my Xbox360 past weekend, i'll wait to see if the ps3 version of the show is better and in that case wil buy one. Else i'll keep playing it in the PSP that doesn't have any bug and the teams sign FA and do trades in the season as they should, i'm having a blast with it in the RTTS mode.

MizzouRah

03-07-2007, 08:38 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan

03-07-2007, 09:02 AM

It's a known fact SCEA knows about this ps2 version "bug" and all they say is, "It's fixed for the ps3 version". I mean, wtf?

No one's defending the developers in any way. They should fix that PS2 problem as well. It's just as bad as the situation with the 2K7 game.

Icy

03-07-2007, 10:47 AM

It's a known fact SCEA knows about this ps2 version "bug" and all they say is, "It's fixed for the ps3 version". I mean, wtf?

If FPS Baseball or High Heat or MVP was still going strong on the PC, I would probably sell my console in a heartbeat.

Try MVP 05 with the MLB07 mod, you will be amazed at the gameplay and graphics detail.

MizzouRah

03-07-2007, 10:50 AM

Try MVP 05 with the MLB07 mod, you will be amazed at the gameplay and graphics detail.

I sold my MVP 05 quite a bit ago. I can't play those old games for years. They get their use and then I move on... plus I got $60 for it. :D

Eaglesfan27

03-07-2007, 12:27 PM

Try MVP 05 with the MLB07 mod, you will be amazed at the gameplay and graphics detail.

I haven't played it much because I've been busy with the preview version of OOTP 2007, but the 2 games I played with the 07 mod were just incredible. I just need to get my 360 buttons mapped a bit better for pitching but it will be my most played graphical baseball game this year.

Mike Lowe

03-08-2007, 06:12 PM

Help! I need confirmation! With the PS3 version, I'm not seeing any type of PR, PH, etc. during SIMMED games while checking the box scores.

That, and I'm also noticing a MILLION pitchers being ejected due to HBP (checking the little news ticker it seems like 2 pitchers every day!)

OS boards are saying PH etc. IS taking place but they haven't mentioned what system. I'm a month in and have not see a single PH or PR used during simming.

rowech

03-08-2007, 07:10 PM

I desparately want to buy this game but every time I think I might, there's just one more thing..

jbmagic

03-08-2007, 10:56 PM

I desparately want to buy this game but every time I think I might, there's just one more thing..

Don't let Todd suck you into buying this game. Don't be a sucker.

Todd is a big time fanboy to games he buys, even if they have big time bugs.

MizzouRah

03-09-2007, 04:24 PM

I desparately want to buy this game but every time I think I might, there's just one more thing..

Don't, my honeymoon is over. I just can't get seriously into this game no matter how hard I try. It's not worth $60, $20 yes, but not $60. Players getting thrown out running from 2nd base with sliders for running up to 100 and outfielders arm strength down to 0.. it's stuff like this which makes me want to bang my head into a wall.

If you want console baseball this year you have one, maybe two options:

1. MLB The Show on the psp
2. MAYBE MLB The Show on the ps3

Other than that, it's ootp.

Sucks, because there are some really great advances in MLB 2k7.

TroyF

03-09-2007, 05:20 PM

Don't, my honeymoon is over. I just can't get seriously into this game no matter how hard I try. It's not worth $60, $20 yes, but not $60. Players getting thrown out running from 2nd base with sliders for running up to 100 and outfielders arm strength down to 0.. it's stuff like this which makes me want to bang my head into a wall.

If you want console baseball this year you have one, maybe two options:

1. MLB The Show on the psp
2. MAYBE MLB The Show on the ps3

Other than that, it's ootp.

Sucks, because there are some really great advances in MLB 2k7.

I've cam to the same conclusion. I love the game and it gets a ton of things right. But you can't get through a game without a WTF moment. Next year it has the potential to be as good or better than The Show. Right now it lags behind.

I'm having a ton of fun with the PSP version of The Show and that will be the game I play this year. It actually works out OK for me. I can play it while watching other things in the background and is finally giving my PSP a good workout. (The first real serious playing I've done with it in months)

MizzouRah

03-09-2007, 05:41 PM

I've cam to the same conclusion. I love the game and it gets a ton of things right. But you can't get through a game without a WTF moment. Next year it has the potential to be as good or better than The Show. Right now it lags behind.

I'm having a ton of fun with the PSP version of The Show and that will be the game I play this year. It actually works out OK for me. I can play it while watching other things in the background and is finally giving my PSP a good workout. (The first real serious playing I've done with it in months)

Yeah, I have $300 burning a hole in my pocket and already had one psp I eventually sold. Have you played a normal game yet of The Show? If so, is the lag that bad? That's the ONLY thing I have read that is bad with game or at least annoying.

rowech

03-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Darn Mizzou. You've been this game's biggest selling point. I've heard good things about MVP '05 on XBOX. Would it be worth picking this up even though the graphics obviously don't matchup?

jbmagic

03-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Don't, my honeymoon is over. I just can't get seriously into this game no matter how hard I try. It's not worth $60, $20 yes, but not $60. Players getting thrown out running from 2nd base with sliders for running up to 100 and outfielders arm strength down to 0.. it's stuff like this which makes me want to bang my head into a wall.

If you want console baseball this year you have one, maybe two options:

1. MLB The Show on the psp
2. MAYBE MLB The Show on the ps3

Other than that, it's ootp.

Sucks, because there are some really great advances in MLB 2k7.
SKYDOG EDIT:
You WILL stop the personal attacks if you ever want to post here again. I've already given you a month for it in the past. You now have three months to decide if you want to change, or just go away.

MizzouRah

03-09-2007, 09:07 PM

SKYDOG EDIT:
You WILL stop the personal attacks if you ever want to post here again. I've already given you a month for it in the past. You now have three months to decide if you want to change, or just go away.

Ooohhh... please post or pm me what was said, pretty please!

MizzouRah

03-09-2007, 09:10 PM

Darn Mizzou. You've been this game's biggest selling point. I've heard good things about MVP '05 on XBOX. Would it be worth picking this up even though the graphics obviously don't matchup?

Most definitly, played the heck out of MVP 05 when I had the original Xbox.

Don't get me wrong, rent MLB 2k7 and go from there. I want to play a franchise or at least a season, and I just can't do it. Derek Lee batting first, Soriano rotting on the DL, etc...

Games where the CPU hits 6 HR's and robs 3 of mine. The graphics have worn off and the game just has too many WTF moments.

rowech

03-09-2007, 09:43 PM

That's what I was afraid of. I'm glad I waited as the buzz on this game, not only here but other sites, is dwindling.

Neuqua

03-09-2007, 10:50 PM

Dang, I want to know what jb said :(

MizzouRah

03-10-2007, 08:53 AM

Dang, I want to know what jb said :(

I think he went out and purchased MLB 2k7. :D

Console games are so easy to be wowed over for the first week or so, it's after that wears off that you start to see what the game is about. I think he was pissed at my initial impressions on the game, oh f'n well.

I still have friends that I tell them to rent it and make a decision from there. It really is a game you should at least rent and see in person if you own an Xbox 360.

If you go to gamerankings.com and read the reviews for MLB 2k7, there are some nice things said about the game from outlets such as IGN and Gamespot.

Ben E Lou

03-10-2007, 08:53 AM

Ooohhh... please post or pm me what was said, pretty please!

Dang, I want to know what jb said :(

I don't remember all of the details, but it was another completely unprovoked personal attack, this time on Todd. Apparently his new way of dealing with people who are sick of his schtick is to come into threads and attack them with zero provocation. It's the second time he has done it. If it happens a third time, he's done for good.

Mike Lowe

03-10-2007, 08:58 AM

Does anyone have the PS3 version? Can someone please help me and confirm whether or not simmed games use pinch-hitters and/or pinch-runners?

I asked earlier in the thread but no love!

hukarez

03-30-2007, 08:55 PM

Does anyone know if it's possible to argue calls in online games? Or is that strictly reserved for offline play only?

Mike1409

04-06-2007, 07:34 AM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/778/778472p1.html

So this year was a do over, and next year will be the greatest.:confused:

Does this mean we will get a do over with our purchase price?

Mizzou B-ball fan

04-06-2007, 07:45 AM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/778/778472p1.html

So this year was a do over, and next year will be the greatest.:confused:

Does this mean we will get a do over with our purchase price?

Any chance you can post that text?

As Bill Harris has mentioned, he's not buying any sports games anymore without renting them first.

Mike1409

04-06-2007, 07:52 AM

Here is the article.

MLB 2K7 Postmortem
We look ahead to MLB 2K8 and get a peek at The Bigs with the game's producer.
by Jeff Haynes (http://ps3.ign.com/email.html) http://media.ign.com/ign/images/readmyblog.gif (http://blogs.ign.com/Jhaynes-IGN/)

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<SCRIPT>showUSloc=(checkLocale('uk')||checkLocale('au'));document.writeln(showUSloc ? 'US, ' : '');</SCRIPT>April 4, 2007 - In late February, Kush Games and 2K Sports released the latest chapter in their baseball franchise, MLB 2K7. While the title managed to fix a large number of problems from last year's title, it featured a number of visual glitches, baserunning and fielding issues, as well as other problems that turned up to replace them. Earlier this week, 2K Sports held a wrap up session with Ben Brinkman, the producer of MLB 2K7 and a select group of journalists. The reason for the gathering was simple -- Brinkman wanted to go over the good and bad points of this year's title, as well as discuss what his development team hopes to achieve with MLB 2K8.

Brinkman started the session by going over the reasons why 2K7 was essentially designed as a "do-over" title. As fans know, 2K7 adjusted just about every aspect of gameplay in response to 2K6's lackluster performance. This massive facelift to the game was done in place of significant new features for a key reason, as Brinkman stated. "MLB 2K7 was the first step in a long process of reinventing the 2K Sports baseball brand and the MLB franchise. 2K7 was year one of that, and a lot of that was just getting back onto stable ground -- getting back with the people who play our game and putting something out there that they're happy with, they have a blast playing and that they can play for an extended period of time. I think we delivered upon that, especially given the short timeline with which we had to create that game."


[/URL] MLB 2K7 looked great this year, but had some gameplay issues.

However, Brinkman was adamant about not wanting to rest on these laurels for recovering the franchise. "The game we're working on right now, MLB 2K8 -- we've got a boatload of things that we want to do. Just regaining credibility and stable footing is not good enough. Our goal now, and it's a lofty goal, is to make the best sports sim out there. We're going to do everything we can to reach that goal. Everything we do we have to look and say, 'Is this something that will contribute to the best sports sim out there?' It's a good process and it's forcing us to be really smart about what we're doing and make good decisions. That said, I'm really excited about the future of this franchise."

The floor was then turned over to the journalists, who were asked to list their top three issues with MLB 2K7, as well as what their thoughts on how to make next year's title much better. One of the first problems raised was the fielding issues that still plagued 2K7. Last year's Pure Motion Physics system made getting jumps on a pop fly extremely difficult because of the fielding animations and slow response time on making cuts for the ball. This year was better, but user controlled players would take headers into the wall instead of climbing them to deny runs -- an ability that the computer would constantly do to rob players of homers time and time again. Brinkman agreed with these criticisms, stating quite bluntly, "I personally think that whole fielding system sucks."

 (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815888/img_4448423.html) Fielding could be somewhat hit or miss.

It was suggested that next year's game feature an improved focus on the fielding mechanics, especially because it isn't as tight as the pitching or batting system. In particular, the new focus needed to cover everything from basic catches to more acrobatic moves like jumping catches and dives. What's more, these defensive maneuvers should be available without being prompted to flick the right analog stick at specific moments to trigger a canned animation, which took away from the realism of the play. Brinkman agreed with what was stated, indicating that he and his development team would be heading into the motion capture studio later in the week with the mechanics of catching the ball in mind. "Basically, the issue with catching a batted ball is that you need to have so many different situations taken into account because you not only want to allow for the user to do things that aren't predictable but make it look good when they're doing it. That was one of our decisions that we made last year, and a lot of the problems that you're describing are a direct result of not having enough catches captured to solve these problems. As a result, we had to take some control away from the user, which I'm vehemently against, and that's something that we're going to remedy next year."
Brinkman indicated that the way they're planning on fixing the catching issues is by capturing a massive number of catches from various positions which will alleviate canned animations and make players look much more fluid in the infield and outfield. In particular, they're working on restoring all of the control that was wrested away from users in this year's game without constantly using a right stick indicator on screen to tell someone when they need to jump and when they need to dive. In fact, Brinkman doesn't like having the icon pop up, but accepts it as a necessary evil to help players along.

He did mention that elements of this system could be overhauled for 2K8, however, which he tied into the overall goal of next year's game. "We've got some cool ideas on how to make this work well with the game and make it not feel like you're playing a video game but make it feel like you're getting this information that's helping you become better at the game in a less overt way than just putting a right stick indicator on the screen. The overriding goal of the game for 2K8 is not only fielding but throwing as well: 'total control at all times.' We don't want it to ever feel like the CPU is taking over -- even when they're catching the ball and they're clearly taking over, we don't want it to feel that way."

 The design team is focused on making MLB 2K8 both realistic and fun.

"We want it to be really fast and fluid and not hitchy like when you're in the fly ball circle. We want it make that more fluid and realistic. Everything that you just described are things that we're going to remedy in 2K8. Pitching's fun, batting's fun, but I want baserunning to be fun, I want fielding to be fun, I want fricking sitting through action replays to be fun. I want the whole game to be fun, not just pockets of fun. I think everyone here is working towards that goal. We want the whole experience."

Moving away from the fielding problems, the session turned to the AI in the game, in particular the throwing intelligence where a computer player would throw a ball to the wrong teammate, thereby allowing a free base to be taken in almost any situation. In fact, players that were good enough with the advance and retreat commands could often fake out the computer. Brinkman specifically addressed this, mentioning that the team had analyzed the entire throwing AI system and have re-written a lot of the code for 2K8 to make the players much smarter and make better decisions on the field. "We've added logic to the game where a baseman will hold the ball, make smarter decisions and wait longer before he makes a throw decision. This will not only make the player look more intelligent but it will also eliminate "user tricks," like running forward, returning to a base and then going to the next base by tricking the AI. The AI throwing system will be much more robust in 2K8, for sure."

 (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815888/img_4448410.html) The throwing AI is being completely overhauled.

Another issue that was brought up was changing the presentational aspect of the game to highlight a lot of the big moments of a game. In 2K7, players got a replay of certain moments during a game, but it never carried the weight or import of a key double play or a home run that completely changes the momentum of the game. Brinkman made a specific point in highlighting how the team has made emphasizing these moments key to next year's game. "That is something that we're going to focus on the presentation side in 2K8 -- really paying off those big moments and making them feel really special. You just did something really cool and we're going to have a cool treatment to pay it off: some cool audio tied into it. If you hit that big home run in the 8th inning, we want to pay that off so you not only feel special doing it but it looks special on screen as well."

Making special moments isn't the sole focus of the presentation of 2K8; Brinkman also alluded to the fact that it was somewhat harder for players to gauge how their performance was during a game, which is something that the development team is planning on working on for the new title. "I think we didn't do a very good job this year of communicating to the user what they did right and wrong and we've got some new systems for 2K8 that we're going to implement, whether it's throwing, pitching, batting, where one of the focuses is going to be feeding back to the user whether they did something awesome or messed something up."
Since presentation was on the minds of everyone in attendance, criticism quickly turned to the announcing team of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan. While Steve Physioc and Jeanne Zelasko were praised for fresh dialogue and their presence during the loading screens before each game, Miller and Morgan were universally panned as having stale and canned information from game to game. Suggestions ranged from Physioc and Zelasko taking over duties in the booth to a new television style presence that possibly made the commentary much more natural. Brinkman agreed with these criticisms, indicating that a certain level of the dialogue issues were much more logistical than Kush would like.

"I think that there are certain areas where we're a little deficient on speech, and I think that's one of them. In a perfect world, Joe and Jon would work at Kush games, and we could just hit them up and say 'Hey guys, want to record this line today?' But part of the reality with those guys is because they are the top announcers in baseball, they're also very hard to get time with. So there are situations like that where we know that we need to add more content. Speaking of the intro, part of the reason why we went with Jeannie and Steve is because we couldn't get that extra time with Jon and Joe, because they'll sign up for X amount of days during the year and that's all we get. It's a double edged sword: You have them and they're awesome, but there's not a lot of them, or you go with someone else, who might not be as awesome but you have a lot of them. You've got to weigh your options. We love Jon and Joe, but there are a lot of negatives in working with them in that respect."

 Stadium detail helped heighten 2K7's presentation, which will be carried over for next year.

The last complaints about MLB 2K7 revolved around the franchise mode. In particular, the lack of minor league teams made the franchise play feel somewhat shallow. Brinkman was quick to answer this, stating that there would be ninety minor league teams that would be playable in MLB 2K8. Additional comments relied around the lack of trade system logic, even though the trade finder made certain contracts easy to find and fill, and a weak economic system that was based solely on ticket sales. The level of depth of handling the front office felt particularly flimsy. Brinkman deflected some of that criticism with a personal observation about all-encompassing franchise features. He stated that he has never been a fan of owner modes in sports titles, mentioning that entire games can be built around the minutiae of managing an organization without actually playing the sport. He did elaborate on the new direction for next year's franchise mode, however.

"I think for MLB 2K8 our focus is going to go back to the General Manager and running the organization. With the introduction of the minor leagues, there's going to be a lot more gameplay, and we're coming up with cool ways of making it worthwhile to play these games as well, so they're not just there in the background for you to just call guys up and send them down. We want to encourage you to play the games." However, he did put a large emphasis on making sure that most of the concerns raised about the franchise mode would be addressed in 2K8.

[URL="http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815888/img_4448406.html"] (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/815/815888/img_4448408.html) Expect to manage major and minor league teams in 2K8's Franchise mode.

"We're not going to just pay it lip service. We're going to make it awesome. We want the whole core gameplay experience to be there so that people want to play not only the 162 game season of their major league team, but the season of their minor league teams. Obviously, that's farfetched, but we want people to feel like that, and we are going to focus more on the GM aspects of the game. The owner mode wasn't 100% in 2K7."

Toward the end of the session, Brinkman gave his final thoughts about where he and his team want the direction of the MLB 2K franchise to go. "Our philosophy around here is to make the best sports simulation on the market. When this game leaves the building next year and hits store shelves, we want to feel like we did everything we could. The game is polished, it plays great, it's got depth, it's got features that people want, and we've got everything taken care of."

As a thank you for the journalists, we were treated to a sneak preview of 2K Sports' upcoming arcade baseball title, The Bigs. With the exception of a lone screenshot released last Halloween, there hadn't been any footage or information about the game. Apart from rapidly showing off various players, all of whom seemed to have the same visual detail found in MLB 2K7, the teaser trailer highlighted some of The Bigs upcoming features. Gamers will be able to create their own player, giving them various "attitude" features like tattoos, American flag bats and other uniform altering details. These players can be run through various training drills, including batting practice and speed drills, and be put into various game situations to see whether or not they can make the big plays when their team needs them. Like other arcade baseball titles, players will be able to expect thrown balls with flashy comet tails or other supernatural effects, although we were told that there would be no fights or charging the mound in The Bigs.

We'll have more information on MLB 2K8 and The Bigs as it's released.

Mizzou B-ball fan

04-06-2007, 07:57 AM

Wow. Why would they release an article detailing how bad the current version of the game is when it's only been out for a couple of months and is still on the shelf? Worse yet, why would he term the current version as a 'do-over'?

sooner333

04-06-2007, 11:57 AM

I think he was just saying that last year's was so bad they had to do it over again. I agree, though, that this isn't really the right time for this article.

BTW, I haven't really played this very much recently...has a patch been issued to fix some of the issues (such as the entire franchise mode)?

MizzouRah

04-06-2007, 12:29 PM

Brinkman agreed with these criticisms, stating quite bluntly, "I personally think that whole fielding system sucks."

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Eaglesfan27

04-06-2007, 12:35 PM

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That's the main reason I wasn't an early adopter. Glad I didn't after hearing about the other problems. I'll be watching for reviews of next year's version before buying as well.

Mizzou B-ball fan

04-06-2007, 12:45 PM

That's the main reason I wasn't an early adopter. Glad I didn't after hearing about the other problems. I'll be watching for reviews of next year's version before buying as well.

Are there any other baseball options on the 360 right now??? MVP???

Eaglesfan27

04-06-2007, 12:50 PM

MizzouRah

04-06-2007, 02:22 PM

I have The Show for the psp and ootp on the pc!

Logan

05-14-2007, 07:12 PM

Are there any other baseball options on the 360 right now??? MVP???

Nope. I'm playing OOTP and MVP 05 (with the 07 mod) on the PC for my baseball needs.

Plenty of other fun things to play on the 360 (I'm playing college hoops at the moment, but plan on getting past a part I'm stuck on in Gears of War this weekend as well.)

I've been fixing for some baseball for a couple weeks now, and since I just have an original XBox, my options were pretty much limited to 2k7. Reading the reviews of that version, it's even worse with some ridiculous player ratings (JD Drew - 100 overall, Cliff Floyd - 99, Shawn Green - 98, etc).

So finally, I said screw it and ordered a copy of MVP 05 for about $8 shipped. I played the hell out of it on PS2 before my system died, and it was just awesome. I can put up with doing some ratings adjustments and then going to town on the game.

If anyone wants a PS2 copy for a few bucks, let me know :).

RainMaker

05-15-2007, 02:37 AM

You guys suck. Get me all excited for 2 pages and then pull the rug out from under me. I was excited about this title.

I was thinking of getting it strictly to play with friends. But after that article that was posted, I don't think I even want to support a company that does that to customers.

MizzouRah

06-28-2007, 01:43 PM

New update today!!

New fielding camera called "pole" which pans out when fielding. Other fixes as well.

(this coming from the os users)

Will check it out tonight when I get home.

Mizzou B-ball fan

06-28-2007, 01:45 PM

New update today!!

New fielding camera called "pole" which pans out when fielding. Other fixes as well.

(this coming from the os users)

Will check it out tonight when I get home.

I'd love to hear what (if anything) they've fixed regarding the actual bugs. Bill Harris just posted the other day that he couldn't believe they still had not fixed the glaring issues with the game, which he called a 'beta'.

MizzouRah

06-28-2007, 02:19 PM

I'd love to hear what (if anything) they've fixed regarding the actual bugs. Bill Harris just posted the other day that he couldn't believe they still had not fixed the glaring issues with the game, which he called a 'beta'.

I don't take everything Bill Harris says as gold either.

I'm playing the heck out of this game, bugs and all... it has great moments.

If they did fix the camera angle, I'll be very happy.

rowech

06-28-2007, 02:31 PM

Let me know what you guys find out. I keep thinking about giving it a shot but all the bad words after about a week of the game have kept me from it.

MizzouRah

06-28-2007, 02:46 PM

From what I've read, the new camera angle is like the old World Series game where it's high above the plate so you can see the whole field.

I'll post later tonight when I get home.

If they fixed the issue of players coming off the DL, I'll have to start a new franchise as I have injuries turned off.

Maybe someone from 2k sports will post the fixes.

Pumpy Tudors

06-28-2007, 03:26 PM

Other news (which I didn't think deserved its own thread): "The Bigs" released today. It's a more "arcade" type game, also done by 2K Sports. I don't know the release dates for every system, but I know it's at least out for 360, PS2, and Wii today. There's definitely a PS3 version which might also be out today, although I'm not sure about the date.

I'm going to try to rent "The Bigs" for the 360 and see what it's like. From what I've read, the pitching and batting control systems are a lot of fun on the Wii, but I haven't read anything about the 360 version specifically. I do know that "The Bigs" does not include a season/franchise mode. Instead, it has a "Rookie Challenge" mode, which sounds to me like something along the lines of the "NBA Street" series. What I mean is that you create a player, and then you advance by winning games or completing challenges. You cannot be a pitcher in Rookie Challenge mode, but all of the other positions are available.

Anyway, that's pretty much all I know about that game. If I can't find it for rental tonight, I might just end up buying it this weekend. There aren't any other games I want to buy until NCAA hits stores in three weeks, so I can afford to drop some cash on a game like "The Bigs" which looks like some old-school baseball fun.

To bring it back to MLB 2K7, if the franchise problems have been addressed in the latest update, that might be enough for me to pop the game back into my 360 for the first time since its release week.

MizzouRah

06-28-2007, 06:32 PM

Played a game with the new "pole" fielding camera and I'd have to say, the game plays like a whole new game as far as fielding is concerned.

The fields actually look big like they should and catching and fielding is much easier now.

I'm happy thus far.

Mizzou B-ball fan

06-29-2007, 06:44 AM

Patch is mentioned here. Said that the ERA bug is fixed and the pole camera, while it causes framerate issues, is an improvement.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/06/sure-it-took-four-months-but-yes-they.html

Pumpy Tudors

06-29-2007, 07:26 AM

I ended up buying "The Bigs" last night, and I had a lot of fun playing it for about an hour. I am a bit concerned about replay value with it, as I am already something like 6% through the Rookie Challenge. The game may have some additional life through XBox Live multiplayer, but we'll see.

I definitely recommend it as a rental, at least. Again, it's arcade-style. There's no season mode (though Rookie Challenge is a pretty good stand-in for a season mode), there's no stat tracking, and the rosters are pared way down, but I found the game to be loads of fun.

Pumpy Tudors

08-20-2007, 09:02 AM

Bump

I believe I bought this game on release day (or very close to its release day), and I wasn't terribly pleased with it. I finally got around to applying the patch last night, though, and I'm stunned. It really is like a whole new game with that new fielding camera. I found some sliders on Operation Sports, and I started using them. I played 7 innings of an exhibition game, Pirates vs. Reds. I had a lot of fun with it. It may be August, and football's starting up, but I'm going to start a franchise in MLB 2K7 tonight.

I hope that 2K Sports can put out a great 2K8 product from the beginning. For me, 2K7 was a disappointment, but they fixed it up big time. It just took a while. Hopefully, we won't have the same situation next year. 2K7 is a hell of a fun game now.

MizzouRah

08-20-2007, 10:27 AM

Glad you're enjoying it PT - I'm still playing it as well.

Mike Lowe

08-20-2007, 10:56 AM

Did they fix the franchise problems? The gameplay was never an issue for me but the franchise was jacked up.

I'm still playing The Show which is absolutely stellar (PS3).

Pumpy Tudors

08-20-2007, 12:33 PM

Did they fix the franchise problems? The gameplay was never an issue for me but the franchise was jacked up.
I don't know for sure. If I remember correctly, the issue with star players getting dumped to the minors was addressed, but I don't know any more than that.

Mike Lowe

08-20-2007, 05:05 PM

What about the beanball marathons?

Pumpy Tudors

08-20-2007, 05:18 PM

What about the beanball marathons?
Beats me. I didn't even know that that was an issue in the first place.

Mike Lowe

08-20-2007, 05:37 PM

Oh, there were about 20 suspensions a week around the league for pitchers beaning hitters in simmed games. It actually happened quite a bit during gameplay too. I'm glad to hear they made a patch but it will take a lot of convincing for me to no longer think this game is a pile of trash. I tried to love it but just couldn't. This has been a bad year for sport games all around man.

MizzouRah

08-20-2007, 09:15 PM

I haven't seen any beanball issues and the game has been quite playable since the patch. I usually play the first game of a series and then sim the next two. Definitely got my money's worth out of this one.

Pumpy Tudors

08-20-2007, 10:17 PM

I just started my GM career with the Cardinals. I open the season against the Mets, and give up homers to Beltran and Alou to fall behind 3-1 going into the bottom of the 9th. I have the 2-3-4 spots in the order coming up, and I'm facing Billy Wagner. I know the fastballs are coming.

I pinch hit for Adam Kennedy and put in Gary Bennett. Bennett grounds out. Ugh. Up comes Pujols. I read Wagner's second pitch perfectly and line it up the middle for a base hit. That brings up Scott Rolen. Wagner runs the count to 2-0 and desperately sends a fastball over the plate. In return, I desperately send that same fastball over the center field fence to tie the game. The next batter is Jim Edmonds. Edmonds hits a deep fly ball to center field, and for a moment, I think I just won the game with a homer. Oops. The ball only got to the warning track, and Beltran hauled it in. The rest of the 9th inning is uneventful, and we go to extras.

Sadly, I start the 10th by giving up a single to Luis Castillo, and then Jose Reyes doubles him home. I get out of a huge jam and head to the bottom of the 10th with a 4-3 deficit. So Taguchi singles, and Yadier Molina bunts him over. Chris Duncan comes up with the tying run on second. Now, Duncan's obviously got power, but with the lefty Wagner still on the mound, all I'm hoping to do is make contact. Duncan grounds out to short, and Taguchi moves to third. That brings up David Eckstein. Unfortunately, the game ends with Eckstein grounding one to short, and Reyes makes a diving stop and throws to first to end the game.

That's the most exciting game of baseball I've played in maybe two or three years. It was great, even though I lost. :)

Logan

08-20-2007, 10:31 PM

That's right, bitch!

sooner333

08-20-2007, 10:42 PM

I would play this game, but I just can't win at it. I'm not one who likes to win every game, but I think of the last 20 games I played, I haven't won a single one. I can't hit at all...either method.

Pumpy Tudors

08-20-2007, 11:06 PM

That's right, bitch!
I guess I'll have to save revenge for hockey season. :D

MizzouRah

08-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Pumpy Tudors

08-21-2007, 10:31 AM

You playing on defaults?

Nice game!!!
No, I'm playing on sliders that I found on Operation Sports. I don't have any big complaints after the two games I've played with those sliders. I'm a little concerned that CPU hitters aren't swinging at enough pitches out of the strike zone, but I should wait until I play worse teams than the Mets before I say that for sure. The only other thing is that maybe it's going to be hard for me to get extra-base hits. I know the Cardinals don't have a lot of speed, but I had Pujols rip one down the line, and he was barely around first by the time Alou picked up the ball. I know the outfield was shifted toward left, but Alou was on the ball awfully quickly. Anyway, in that one game I described, I believe I had 6 or 7 hits, but they were either singles or homers. It's just one game, though, so I'm not worried at all yet. It's just something I'm going to look for, although I don't know if I'll be able to correct it.

I'm looking forward to getting revenge on the Mets tonight!

MizzouRah

08-21-2007, 11:57 AM

The game is quite addicting.

Pumpy Tudors

08-21-2007, 12:19 PM

...maybe it's going to be hard for me to get extra-base hits. I know the Cardinals don't have a lot of speed, but...
This excerpt makes me a little sad because I became a Cards fan back in the early '80s. As a kid, I watched Vince Coleman, Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, Andy Van Slyke, and Tommy Herr. The Cardinals I grew up with were built around speed. It's been weird for the past few years to see the Cardinals become a completely different team. I admit that I nearly started my franchise with the Pirates just because they have at least 2 or 3 guys who can run.

In my search for a silver lining, however, I see that the owner wants me to get rid of Jim Edmonds. Maybe I can dump him and try to get a little speed on my team. Maybe I can even try to turn these Cardinals back into baseburners. That sounds like an exercise that's better kept to a text sim, but I might try it out in MLB 2K7 anyway.

MizzouRah

08-21-2007, 08:51 PM

They wanted me to get rid of Eckstein. :)

MizzouRah

09-08-2007, 09:16 PM

Still playing this game.. wow. Everyone talks of MLB The Show, but this game is a "must have" if I'm new to the Xbox 360 scene.