All-time full 22 player NFL line-up, one player per franchise [Archive]

tanglewood

03-15-2007, 06:29 PM

I saw this on another board but it was one player per franchise on defence and one player per franchise on offence, which just made it far too easy obviously. :p

The one player per franchise rule works thusly. You pick a player and name the team your 'version' of the player played for. e.g. If you want Moss when he was in his prime for the Vikings, then you can't have any other Viking players, but if for some reason you wanted him in his current Raider incarnation, you could pick from the Vikings but no other Raiders on your team are allowed. Another example, if you wanted Deion Sanders circa Dallas and Aikman as your QB, you can shift Sanders to his Atlanta days and stil have both. That being said, here's what I came up with relatively quickly, though I am sure that others may present something better.

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins)
RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)
FB - Jim Brown (Browns)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)
WR - Lance Alworth (Chargers)
TE - Tony Gonzales (Chiefs)
LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)
C - Jim Otto (Raiders)
RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)
RT - Forest Gregg (Packers)

DE - Reggie White (Eagles)
DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)
DT - Alan Page (Vikings)
DE - Deacon Jones (Rams)
SLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
MLB - Dick Butkus (Bears)
WLB - Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers)
CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)
CB - Champ Bailey (Broncos)
FS - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)
SS - Ed Reed (Ravens)

Franchises not selected from: Patriots, Jets, Bills, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Redskins, Panthers, Saints, Seahawks

Logan

03-15-2007, 06:45 PM

I like the colors.

cthomer5000

03-15-2007, 06:50 PM

not a Jet on there? damn.

tanglewood

03-15-2007, 06:52 PM

I like the colors.

It helped me when looking through to see which teams were taken already. :o

JeeberD

03-15-2007, 06:56 PM

I can't wait for the Patriots Gang to get here and start bitching...

MizzouRah

03-15-2007, 06:57 PM

I'm going to bitch that Marshall Faulk isn't the RB. :)

DaddyTorgo

03-15-2007, 07:04 PM

john hannah?

tom brady?

DaddyTorgo

03-15-2007, 07:04 PM

dan marino over tom brady? puhleeze

spleen1015

03-15-2007, 07:12 PM

dan marino over tom brady? puhleeze

Dan Marino over Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?

What-the-fuck-ever!

JeeberD

03-15-2007, 07:14 PM

Daimyo

03-15-2007, 09:35 PM

What's sad is that Tom Brady has only played for one team so far so he can't be used twice...

Tekneek

03-16-2007, 08:11 AM

Almost rather there be no Falcon up there instead of Deion Sanders.

Pumpy Tudors

03-16-2007, 08:12 AM

What's sad is that Tom Brady has only played for one team so far so he can't be used twice...
Tom Brady can be used, and his super-populating seed can be used, so yeah, that's at least three spots.

Tekneek

03-16-2007, 08:12 AM

dan marino over tom brady? puhleeze

Make your case, using stats.

Pumpy Tudors

03-16-2007, 08:15 AM

dan marino over tom brady? puhleeze

Make your case, using stats.
I'm an Elway guy, personally, but I have a feeling that the first stat you'll get will be something like "Brady 3, Marino 0." Just guessing.

Butter

03-16-2007, 08:25 AM

Terry Bradshaw won, like, 12 Super Bowls, but I don't think you'll hear anyone argue he was the greatest QB of all time.

KevinNU7

03-16-2007, 08:33 AM

QB - Dan Marino (Dolphins)
RB - Barry Sanders (Lions)
FB - Jim Brown (Browns)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)
WR - Lance Alworth (Chargers)
TE - Tony Gonzales (Chiefs)
LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)
C - Jim Otto (Raiders)
RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)
RT - Forest Gregg (Packers)

DE - Reggie White (Eagles)
DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)
DT - Alan Page (Vikings)
DE - Deacon Jones (Rams)
SLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
MLB - Dick Butkus (Bears)
WLB - Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers)
CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)
CB - Champ Bailey (Broncos)
FS - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)
SS - Ed Reed (Ravens)

Franchises not selected from: Patriots, Jets, Bills, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Redskins, Panthers, Saints, Seahawks
Patriots are disrespected again!

KevinNU7

03-16-2007, 08:40 AM

I am assuming you are taking the player in his prime and playing him in a modern day game, with that said Jim Brown at FB might be the worst pick up there.

Also, if you are going to have Barry as the HB you might as well put another reciever out their instead of a FB.

KevinNU7

03-16-2007, 08:40 AM

Or another TE

rkmsuf

03-16-2007, 08:49 AM

Dan Marino molests collies.

MrIllini

03-16-2007, 08:57 AM

Dan Marino molests collies.

they were asking for it

Tom Brady sucks

Butter

03-16-2007, 09:00 AM

Dan Marino molests collies.

I always did enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLsNLBuE6Y

Maple Leafs

03-16-2007, 09:07 AM

I don't like the Lance Alworth pick. I'd go with Marvin Harrison as WR2.

Cool concept.

Maple Leafs

03-16-2007, 09:09 AM

Dola:

I think Bailey was even better in Washington. Move him there and you could free up the Broncos to use Elway at QB.

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 09:10 AM

I'm going to bitch that Marshall Faulk isn't the RB. :)

I would have taken Bob Waterfield at QB, S, and P! :D One guy for three positions.

Pumpy Tudors

03-16-2007, 09:10 AM

Seriously, that Patriots quarterback should be the pick. That Tom guy.

What the heck was his name? Tom... Tom... went to some school with a yellowish color on the helmet... damn...

Tom Hodson.

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 09:11 AM

Wasn't LT a WLB?

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 09:16 AM

QB -
RB -
FB - Jim Brown (Browns)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)
WR -
TE - Mike Ditka (Bears)
LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG -
C -
RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)
RT -

DE -
DT - Art Donovan (Colts)
DT -
DE -
OLB -
MLB - Jack Lambert (Steelers)
OLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
CB - Dick "Night Train" Lane - Lions
CB -
FS - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)
SS -

I think the three guys above are easy locks, I'll update with my picks as I make them.

Dick "Night Train" Lane from the Lions. One of the best CBs of all time and holds the NFL record with 14 INTs in a season. I opted to take him rather than Barry Sanders because I can find another stud RB from several teams, CB is tougher to fill.

Art Donovan at DT from the Colts. There aren't that many all-time greats at DT, and many of the other greats at the position may lose spots to other players from those teams. There's not much on the Colts outside of QB and WR who I have other selections for, so Art Donovan goes on the team here. He also adds a lot to the lockerroom keeping this team loose.

Larry Wilson at FS due to his ability to pick off passes and get to the QB.

LT for being LT. Plus, he was able to hook up a brother better than anyone else the night before a game!

Mike Ditka gets the nod from the Bears. He completely revolutionized the TE position, which prior to his emergence was thought of primarily as a blocking position.

With Butkus and Singletary off the board, Jack Lambert is our starter at the MLB position. A fierce defender he was as good in pass coverage as he was against the run. He also looks the part with most of his front teeth missing!

albionmoonlight

03-16-2007, 09:31 AM

Final Edit (I need to get some work done today).

QB - Johnny Unitas (COLTS)
RB - Walter Payton (BEARS)
FB - Jim Brown (BROWNS)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ERS)
WR - Lance Alworth (CHARGERS)
TE - Shannon Sharpe (BRONCOS)
LT - Anthony Munoz (BENGALS)
LG - Bruce Matthews (OILERS)
C - Jim Otto (RAIDERS)
RG - John Hannah(PATRIOTS)
RT - Forrest Gregg (PACKERS)
DE - Bruce Smith(BILLS)
DT - Joe Greene (STEELERS)
DT - Bob Lilly (COWBOYS)
DE - Deacon Jones (RAMS)
SLB - Lawrence Taylor (GIANTS)
MLB - Chuck Bendarick (EAGLES)
WLB - Bobby Bell (CHIEFS)
CB - Deion Sanders (FALCONS)
CB - Dick "Night Train" Lane (CARDINALS)
FS - Jack Christiansen (LIONS)
SS- Ken Houston (REDSKINS)

albionmoonlight

03-16-2007, 09:42 AM

dola:

Thoughts: Rarely will I make an all time team of any sort and keep Walter Payton off it.

I was not going to let this thing go until I got Unitas on the team.

Using Shannon Sharpe as a TE allowed me to use Unitas as a QB, which allowed me to use Brown as a FB, which allowed me to use Otto as a C, which allowed me to use Gregg as a T. All of which were upgrades--all in exchange for downgrading only the TE position by losing Mackey.

Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, and Lawrence Taylor were the only 100% players in my head when I sat down to do it. Although some other players (Munoz, Lilly, Deacon Jones) popped into my head pretty quickly once I sat down and thought about it.

JPhillips

03-16-2007, 09:42 AM

I'll give this a try.

QB- John Elway - Broncos
HB- OJ Simpson - Bills
FB- Larry Csonka - Dolphins
WR- Jerry Rice - 49ers
WR- Don Hutson - Packers
TE- Ozzie Newsome - Browns
T- Anthony Munoz - Bengals
G- John Hannah - Patriots
C- Jim Otto - Raiders
G- Bruce Matthews - Oilers/Titans
T- Dan Dierdorf - Cardinals

DE- Deacon Jones - Rams
DT- Joe Green - Steelers
DT- Alan Page - Vikings
DE- Reggie White - Eagles
LB- Lawrence Taylor - Giants
LB- Dick Butkus - Bears
LB- Junior Seau - Chargers
CB- Deion Sanders - Falcons
CB- Dick Lane - Lions
S- Ken Houston - Redskins
S- Mel Renfro - Cowboys

Thank God for players changing teams when they got old. It's interesting that all but two guys on offense are AFC and all but two on defense are NFC.

KevinNU7

03-16-2007, 09:44 AM

QB -
RB -
FB - Jim Brown (Browns)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)
WR -
TE -
LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG -
C -
RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)
RT -

DE -
DT - Art Donovan Colts
DT -
DE -
SLB -
MLB -
WLB -
CB - Dick "Night Train" Lane - Lions
CB -
FS -
SS -

I think the three guys above are easy locks, I'll update with my picks as I make them.

Dick "Night Train" Lane from the Lions. One of the best CBs of all time and holds the NFL record with 14 INTs in a season. I opted to take him rather than Barry Sanders because I can find another stud RB from several teams, CB is tougher to fill.

Art Donovan at DT from the Colts. There aren't that many all-time greats at DT, and many of the other greats at the position may lose spots to other players from those teams. There's not much on the Colts outside of QB and WR who I have other selections for, so Art Donovan goes on the team here. He also adds a lot to the lockerroom keeping this team loose.
Here is an easy one for you. When you think of one the top LB of all time... I mean why are you leaving the Giants open for anyone else? This should be like one of the first guys check off on everyone's list.

Maple Leafs

03-16-2007, 09:44 AM

Thank God for players changing teams when they got old. It's interesting that all but two guys on offense are AFC and all but two on defense are NFC.
I don't think the Ronnie Lott who played for the Jets belongs on any all-time team. Why not add in the KC Chiefs Montana while you're at it?

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 10:04 AM

Here is an easy one for you. When you think of one the top LB of all time... I mean why are you leaving the Giants open for anyone else? This should be like one of the first guys check off on everyone's list.

Sam Huff at MLB? That would free up the Bears to take Ditka at TE.

albionmoonlight

03-16-2007, 10:08 AM

further thoughts--

It is amazing that three separate greatest EVER* to play their position (Rice, Montana, Lott) were teammates.

*Of course, one can argue about those three being the greatest EVER, but you would not be laughed out of a sports bar for saying that Montana was the greatest QB ever, or that Lott was the greatest safety ever, or that Rice was the greatest WR ever.

KevinNU7

03-16-2007, 10:11 AM

Thank God for players changing teams when they got old.
Read the first post again. Picking a player when he has moved on to another team at the end of his career means you are picking the type of player he was when he was on that team. So Picking Jerry Rice as a Raiders means you though his old ass was better then his 49er days

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 10:12 AM

This is much tougher than it appears.

For example, the Rams players you could include:
Bob Waterfield - QB/S
Norm Van Brocklin - QB
Eric Dickerson - RB
Marshall Faulk - RB
Aeneas Williams since the Cards have already been used for Wilson - FS
Jackie Slater - OT
Deacon Jones - DE
Roosevelt Grier - DE
Merlin Olsen - DT
Jack Youngblood - DE

Don't get me started on the Steelers either, because they have a ton of players that could be used in a ton of places!

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 10:13 AM

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Crap, I might do mine later, I can't decide what I want where... Damn...

Pumpy Tudors

03-16-2007, 10:32 AM

Any list that doesn't include Obafemi Ayanbadejo is invalid.

Eaglesfan27

03-16-2007, 10:33 AM

Terry Bradshaw won, like, 12 Super Bowls, but I don't think you'll hear anyone argue he was the greatest QB of all time.

4 = 12?

I think part of the issue is clarifying the question or I guess it is a matter of subjectivity on each person's part. If you are looking at just regular season stats, I would go with Dan Marino, but if we are looking for all time greatness which has to include post season performance in my opinion, then I would include at least 5 guys ahead of Marino.

DougWyatt

03-16-2007, 11:00 AM

QB - John Elway (DEN)
RB- Jim Brown (CLE)
TE- Kellen Winslow (SD)
WR- Jerry Rice (SF)
WR- Steve Largent (SEA)
WR- Don Maynard (NYJ)
T- Anthony Munoz (CIN)
G- John Hannah (NE)
C- Mike Webster (PIT)
G- Joe Delamielleure (BUF)
T- Forrest Gregg (GB)

DE- Reggie White (PHI)
DT- Bob Lilly (DAL)
DT- Alan Page (MIN)
DE- Lee Roy Selmon (TB)
OLB- Lawrence Taylor (NYG)
MLB- Dick Butkus (CHI)
OLB- Ted Hendricks (BAL/IND)
CB- Dick Lane (DET)
CB- Mike Haynes (OAK)
S- Larry Wilson (STL/ARZ)
S- Ken Houston (WAS)

JPhillips

03-16-2007, 11:27 AM

I did misread the rules, so I'll make a change at safety.

Mel Renfro - Cowboys

Brillig

03-16-2007, 12:37 PM

The problem with a list like this is that you're limited to taking only one of Jerry Rice or Emmett Smith from Dancing With the Stars.

Too tough.

tanglewood

03-16-2007, 02:23 PM

Okay a revised team now with added kciker, punter and returner! (Can anyone tell I'm particulary bored today?)

QB - Peyton Manning (Colts)
RB - Jim Brown (Browns)
FB - Larry Csonka (Dolphins)
WR - Jerry Rice (49ers)
WR - Lance Alworth (Chargers)
TE - Shannon Sharpe (Broncos)
LT - Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG - Larry Allen (Cowboys)
C - Jim Otto (Raiders)
RG - Bruce Matthews (Oilers/Titans)
RT - Forest Gregg (Packers)

DE - Reggie White (Eagles)
DT - Joe Greene (Steelers)
DT - Alan Page (Vikings)
DE - Deacon Jones (Rams)
SLB - Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
MLB - Dick Butkus (Bears)
WLB - Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers)
CB - Deion Sanders (Falcons)
CB - Dick Lane (Lions)
FS - Larry Wilson (Cardinals)
SS - Ed Reed (Ravens)

K - Morton Andersen (Saints)
P - Todd Sauerbrun (Panthers)
KR/PR - Brian Mitchell (Redskins)

Head Coach - Bill Belichick (Patriots)

Decided to not do the arguably gimmicky Jim Brown at FB, though I think it could work, the Saints this year often used McAllister and Bush on the field at the same time.

And yes the coaching position is soley to placate the disrepected Patriots. Though, if I take out Mitchell from the returner position I could add in Gibbs....

stevew

03-16-2007, 02:40 PM

The Steelers give you a lot of options. Webster at center was considered one of the best ever. On defense, you have greene at DT, Lambert at MLB, and Blount and Woodson at CB. With another couple solid years, Faneca could also be on this type of list as well.

Atocep

03-16-2007, 02:52 PM

4 = 12?

I think part of the issue is clarifying the question or I guess it is a matter of subjectivity on each person's part. If you are looking at just regular season stats, I would go with Dan Marino, but if we are looking for all time greatness which has to include post season performance in my opinion, then I would include at least 5 guys ahead of Marino.

The regular season vs playoff performance is an endless arguement. As you state, its a matter of personal preference that will spark discussion every time its brought up.

Travis

03-16-2007, 03:06 PM

The regular season vs playoff performance is an endless arguement. As you state, its a matter of personal preference that will spark discussion every time its brought up.

And don't forget that random Canadians will come along and interject Moon into the conversation as well. Had circumstances been different/better and he been able to start his career in the NFL, Marino might not own any records.

All conjecture of course, but I think Moon is a legitimate name to banter about in any greatest QB conversations.

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 03:27 PM

Jim Brown at FB isn't a gimmick, he's listed in the HoF as a FB, not a HB.

Warhammer

03-16-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm actually surprised that the Cowboys aren't harder to fit into this, but the guys I kept coming back to were all DT guys.

Clark

03-16-2007, 04:20 PM

I'll stick with guys I watched play. Some of these guys did not have the greatest overall careers, but I think for a couple of seasons they were the most dominate at their position.

QB-Steve Young (49ers)
RB-Barry Sanders (Lions)
FB-John Riggins (Redskins)
WR-Randy Moss (Vikings)
WR-Roy Green (Cardinals)
TE-Kellen Winslow (Chargers)
C-Dwight Stephenson (Dolphins)
G-Bill Fralic (Falcons)
G-Bruce Matthews (Oilers)
T-John Alt (Chiefs)
T-Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

DT-Warren Sapp (Buccaneers)
DT-Dan Hampton (Bears)
DE-Reggie White (Packers)
DE-Howie Long (Raiders)
MLB-Ray Lewis (Ravens)
OLB-Cornelius Bennett (Bills)
OLB-Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
CB-Mike Haynes (Patriots)
CB-Rod Woodson (Steelers)
S-Kenny Easley (Seahawks)
S-Steve Atwater (Broncos)

Travis

03-16-2007, 04:41 PM

And on with the show:

QB: Warren Moon (Oilers)
RB: Barry Sanders (Lions)
FB: Larry Csonka (Dolphins)
WR: Jerry Rice (Niners)
WR: Lance Alworth (Chargers)
TE: Ozzie Newsome (Browns)
LT: Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
LG: Larry Allen (Cowboys)
C: Jim Ringo (Packers)
RG: Hannah (Patriots)
RT: Walter Jones (Seahawks) *yes, not his natural position, but I'm putting him there ;)

RDE: Reggie White (Eagles)
RDT: Alan Page (Vikings)
LDT: Joe Greene (Steelers)
LDE: Deacon Jones (Rams)
WLB: Derrick Brooks (Bucs)
MLB: Dick Butkus (Bears)
SLB: Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
CB: Willie Brown (Raiders)
CB: Dick Lane (Cardinals)
S: Ed Reed (Ravens)
S: Ken Houston (Redskins)

TroyF

03-16-2007, 05:02 PM

tanglewood

03-16-2007, 08:12 PM

Jim Brown at FB isn't a gimmick, he's listed in the HoF as a FB, not a HB.

I know, but in a modern offence he would not be asked to play at FB. He was a good blocker by all accounts, but you want him to run the ball.

albionmoonlight

03-16-2007, 08:28 PM

I haven't had time to do the full list, but I agree there are certain locks.

LT, Reggie White, Nigh Train, Munoz, Jim Brown, and Rice are such no brainers I can't see how anyone would have a single one of those players off the list.

I'm an Elway guy (obviously I think). I think my toughest team is actually the Bears. Butkis, Ditka, Sweetness. . . not easy leaving any of them off of the list.

Re: Reggie White. I've always been more of a Bruce Smith guy, myself. I think that the fact that he was able to accomplish what he did in the 3-4 makes it even more impressive.

Also, by including Smith and not White, you use up the Bills, a team with a lot less other talent than the Eagles or the Packers.

All assuming that Deacon Jones is a lock for the team, of course.

DougWyatt

03-16-2007, 11:05 PM

Re: Reggie White. I've always been more of a Bruce Smith guy, myself. I think that the fact that he was able to accomplish what he did in the 3-4 makes it even more impressive.

Also, by including Smith and not White, you use up the Bills, a team with a lot less other talent than the Eagles or the Packers.

All assuming that Deacon Jones is a lock for the team, of course.

Actually, if any DE is a lock in this format - I think it's Selmon. Tampa Bay has nothing else to offer, so other teams (Rams) would be freed up to select someone else. And Lee Roy was enough of a stud to play on any team.

This was pretty tricky; as a few teams had several guys that should definately be in any "all-time team". The Steelers in particular for me, but I personally went with Webster; cuz I think he was more superior to other contenders at his position than some of the other Steelers.

Izulde

03-17-2007, 12:29 AM

I'll have to think about this list and put up my picks tomorrow.

EagleFan

03-17-2007, 02:14 AM

QB-Steve Young (49ers)

Steve Young? You go with a 49ers QB and it's Steve Young?

Abe Sargent

03-17-2007, 02:50 AM

tanglewood

03-17-2007, 02:57 AM

That list would certainly be one way to make the slots for the Bengals and Lions trickier decisions.

Eaglesfan27

03-17-2007, 10:32 AM

Re: Reggie White. I've always been more of a Bruce Smith guy, myself. I think that the fact that he was able to accomplish what he did in the 3-4 makes it even more impressive.

Also, by including Smith and not White, you use up the Bills, a team with a lot less other talent than the Eagles or the Packers.

All assuming that Deacon Jones is a lock for the team, of course.

I would include Reggie and Bruce over Deacon Jones. Maybe, I'm being biased by not having seen Deacon play on TV, but Reggie and Bruce both seemed like more dominant players in their time period from what I've read of Deacon and seen of Bruce and Reggie. Also, unless my memory is failing me, he didn't have much post season success which I choose to factor into this, particularly for close calls. Reggie's SB win and Bruce's 4 appearances would push them to the top for me. Also, I can't think of any other Eagle who would qualify as all time greats at their position.

Clark

03-17-2007, 10:37 AM

Steve Young? You go with a 49ers QB and it's Steve Young?

Yes, like I wrote in my post, the guys I picked did not necessarily have the greatest overall careers. But I believe that Steve Young had a couple of seasons that he was the best (because of his mobility and accuracy) QB I have seen.

adubroff

03-17-2007, 11:27 AM

QB - John Unitas - Colts
RB - Jim Brown - Browns
FB - Larry Csonka - Dolphins
TE - Kellen Winslow - Chargers
WR - Jerry Rice - 49ers
WR - Steve Largent - Seahawks
T - Anthony Munoz - Bengals
G - Bruce Matthews - Oilers
C - Jim Otto - Raiders
G - John Hannah - Patriots
T - Ron Yary - Vikings
DE - Reggie White - Eagles
DT - Joe Greene - Steelers
DT - Bob Lilly - Cowboys
DE - Deacon Jones - Rams
OLB - Lawrence Taylor - Giants
MLB - Dick Butkus - Bears
OLB - Bobby Bell - Chiefs
CB - Deion Sanders - Falcons
CB - Dick Lane - Lions
S - Larry Wilson - Cardinals
S - Ed Reid - Ravens

adubroff

03-17-2007, 11:40 AM

I would include Reggie and Bruce over Deacon Jones. Maybe, I'm being biased by not having seen Deacon play on TV, but Reggie and Bruce both seemed like more dominant players in their time period from what I've read of Deacon and seen of Bruce and Reggie. Also, unless my memory is failing me, he didn't have much post season success which I choose to factor into this, particularly for close calls. Reggie's SB win and Bruce's 4 appearances would push them to the top for me. Also, I can't think of any other Eagle who would qualify as all time greats at their position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon_Jones

26 sacks in 14 games gets you a slot in my book. Reggie over Bruce also, he's got almost as many sacks in 4 fewer years.

If you weren't using Reggie as a DE, I do believe Brian Dawkins at safety is a reasonable arguement.

albionmoonlight

03-17-2007, 11:49 AM

Also, I can't think of any other Eagle who would qualify as all time greats at their position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Bednarik

Although he is apparently a real dickhead according to this article. Apparently he openly rooted against the Eagles in the Super Bowl because the owner refused to buy 100 copies of his book.

Bednarik was a good pickup for my team above because the teams with all-time great middle linebackers (Bears, Steelers, etc) were used up for other positions.

dime

03-17-2007, 12:02 PM

history seems to have forgotten don hutson, but he was very much rice's equal and certainly a better player than largent, alworth, roy green, harrison, etc.

Eaglesfan27

03-17-2007, 01:20 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Bednarik

Although he is apparently a real dickhead according to this article. Apparently he openly rooted against the Eagles in the Super Bowl because the owner refused to buy 100 copies of his book.

Bednarik was a good pickup for my team above because the teams with all-time great middle linebackers (Bears, Steelers, etc) were used up for other positions.

Yeah, I thought about him after posting. He is the only other player I might use from the Eagles other than Reggie. Probably due to my bias of having seen Reggie play, I think I'd still put Reggie above him and use someone else for my MLB slot.

JPhillips

03-17-2007, 02:58 PM

Amen, Dime. Hutson basically invented the WR position.

albionmoonlight

03-17-2007, 04:00 PM

history seems to have forgotten don hutson, but he was very much rice's equal and certainly a better player than largent, alworth, roy green, harrison, etc.

Yup. I had to put Johnnie U. on my team, but I considered leaving him off so that I could put on either Mackey or Hutson.

Leonidas

03-17-2007, 04:17 PM

Okay, here's my team:

QB Ryan Leaf - Chargers
RB - Ki-jana Carter - Bengals
FB - Blair Thomas - Jets
TE - Kellen Winslow Jr - Browns
WR - R. Jay Soward - Jaguars
WR - Freddie Mitchell - Eagles
OT - Tony Mandarich - Bills
OG - Mike Williams - Bills
C
OG
OT Bryan Jozwiak - Chiefs

DE Demetrius Underwood - Vikings
DT
DT
DE
OLB Andy Katzenmoyer - Patriots
ILB
OLB
CB
FS
SS
CB - Willie Middlebrooks - Denver

I was going to list a bunch of busts as a joke, but then O got into it and I realized I was wasting too much time on a ajoke, so this is how far I got.
You could make Jeff Faine of the Browns as your center and then make Shockey of the Giants the TE. You could throw Allen of the Dolphins in at CB too, or perhaps Fletcher of the Phins in at CB. They both totally sucked.

And by the way, Mandarich was drafted by the Packers, not the Bills.

henry296

03-17-2007, 04:43 PM

Okay, here's my team:

QB Ryan Leaf - Chargers
RB - Ki-jana Carter - Bengals
FB - Blair Thomas - Jets
TE - Kellen Winslow Jr - Browns
WR - R. Jay Soward - Jaguars
WR - Freddie Mitchell - Eagles
OT - Tony Mandarich - Bills
OG - Mike Williams - Bills
C
OG
OT Bryan Jozwiak - Chiefs

DE Demetrius Underwood - Vikings
DT
DT
DE
OLB Andy Katzenmoyer - Patriots
ILB
OLB
CB
FS
SS
CB - Willie Middlebrooks - Denver

I was going to list a bunch of busts as a joke, but then O got into it and I realized I was wasting too much time on a ajoke, so this is how far I got.

OLB - Huey Richardson - Steelers. First round pick from Florida that was cut in less than 3 years.

SteveMax58

03-17-2007, 06:12 PM

Okay, here's my team:

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I was going to list a bunch of busts as a joke, but then O got into it and I realized I was wasting too much time on a ajoke, so this is how far I got.

You forgot the biggest bust of them all...The Boz (Seahawks) at MLB.

John Copeland(Bengals) & Steve Emtman(Colts) at DT really come to mind...but man, the Bengals could really fill this list up quick without limitations per team.

Mike Williams(Lions) or Bryant Johnson(Cardinals) would be decent WR's to put in as well...if you find suitable replacements for the current WR's.

14ers

03-17-2007, 07:17 PM

You forgot the biggest bust of them all...The Boz (Seahawks) at MLB.

The Boz was not a bust. He was an excellent young NFL player until an injury cut his career short. Finished 2nd on his team in tackles his rookie year. NFL all rookie team 1987.

The jury may still be out on Mike Williams.

Warhammer

03-17-2007, 07:58 PM

You forgot the biggest bust of them all...The Boz (Seahawks) at MLB.

John Copeland(Bengals) & Steve Emtman(Colts) at DT really come to mind...but man, the Bengals could really fill this list up quick without limitations per team.

Mike Williams(Lions) or Bryant Johnson(Cardinals) would be decent WR's to put in as well...if you find suitable replacements for the current WR's.

Steve Emtman played well when healthy. He just got banged up.

SteveMax58

03-18-2007, 08:26 AM

Steve Emtman played well when healthy. He just got banged up.

The Boz was not a bust. He was an excellent young NFL player until an injury cut his career short. Finished 2nd on his team in tackles his rookie year. NFL all rookie team 1987.

Very true on both accounts...though I put them out there as they never were able to live up to their respective billings, which were quite high.