Successful Season?

[Warhammer]

What do you consider to be a successful season in FOF? Is this different in MP vs. SP?

[Warhammer]

I voted for both Division Winner and Divisional Round of the playoffs. If you are a wild card team, I really don't consider that an accomplishment, unless you do something in the playoffs. If you make the playoffs and get beat in the WC round, it's no real accomplishment.

Now, if you win a division, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, you have accomplished something. It's kind of like the Sweet 16 in the NCAAs. If you are a good team, you should win your first two games, but after that it is a crap shoot. Same thing applies here. Once you make the playoffs, it is a bit of a crap shoot. 9-7 teams do win the FOF Bowl, etc.

[Warhammer]

Ack! How do I edit the poll? IFL Bowl birth = FOF bowl birth. I was daydreaming this morning since my Grizzlies are getting off to a great start over there.

[wade moore]

I voted just on MP - since that's all I play.

I said Division winner and Conference Finals. As you said, a Wild Card is not that meaningful if you go out in the 1st round. So I have two levles of success for me - if I win the division that's a check mark, and getting to the conference finals is another check.

I don't have very many checks in my MP career :(. (in fact I think only one and that is over in the CFL).

[Warhammer]

I voted just on MP - since that's all I play.

I said Division winner and Conference Finals. As you said, a Wild Card is not that meaningful if you go out in the 1st round. So I have two levles of success for me - if I win the division that's a check mark, and getting to the conference finals is another check.

I don't have very many checks in my MP career :(. (in fact I think only one and that is over in the CFL).

The only problem with that second check mark is how painful it is when you lose. I can understand losing in the WC or Divisional round of the playoffs, but the Conference Finals always have me trying to figure out what else I could have done.

[RedKingGold]

For MP, it really depends on the league and and requiste talent of the team. In the GEFL, if I make the playoffs this season with a 2nd year-QB, I'll be very pleased with myself. Whereas in IHOF (as vulture for Ann Arbor), if I don't make it to the Conference Finals, I'm pretty disappointed in myself.

[Dutch]

My preconceived ideas of where I want to finish are different each season and so everything is relative to that. If I think I'll finish 8-8, then a winning record is success.

If I think I can win the championship, then only a championship is successful.

But my preconceived ideas in SP are always much higher than in MP. I expect to win in SP, and I hope to win in MP. :)

[Warhammer]

My preconceived ideas of where I want to finish are different each season and so everything is relative to that. If I think I'll finish 8-8, then a winning record is success.

If I think I can win the championship, then only a championship is successful.

But my preconceived ideas in SP are always much higher than in MP. I expect to win in SP, and I hope to win in MP. :)

Well let me rephrase it then, what mark do you give respect to an opponent in regards to how they finish?

[MrDNA]

I agree with Dutch to an extent. In one sense, improvement is success. A 9-7 record for my 3-13 team is a smashing success... but not so hot for a 12-4 team.

In another sense, winning the FOF bowl is the only success. It's every team's goal and not meeting your goal is, well, failure. :eek: :(

[Leonidas]

It depends on the situation. If you do better than personal expectations, then it is a success. Do worse, and it's a bummer. Then you could get stuck in the Buffalo Bills/Atlanta Braves syndrome and win everything in regular season and blow it every year in the big one. I've had that happen in solo play and it's damn frustrating to know year in and year out you have the best team and dumb luck just runs against you.

[Warhammer]

It depends on the situation. If you do better than personal expectations, then it is a success. Do worse, and it's a bummer. Then you could get stuck in the Buffalo Bills/Atlanta Braves syndrome and win everything in regular season and blow it every year in the big one. I've had that happen in solo play and it's damn frustrating to know year in and year out you have the best team and dumb luck just runs against you.

Agreed. My most dominant SP season, we are down 24 - 22 in the final tics of the conference final. We have the ball on the 18 yard line with the best kicker in the game ready to come on and seal the deal. We run, fumble the ball, and watch the other team pick it up. We lose 24-22. While watching the game, we missed an XP early on, and I remember thinking, that's going to cost us. Sure enough, it did, as we attempted a 2-pt conversion later which we also failed. We had 4 TOs, and lost by 2, we didn't force a single TO, and our QB threw all of 4 INTs all year prior to that game!

[SchrodingersDog]

I'll come out as the one lonely "Winning Record" pick.

If I sim 1000 years of history, hopefully the average team record will be 8-8. Past success shouldn't cloud our expectations so...

At 9-7 I'm elated, so happy that making the playoffs is gravy.
At 8-8 I'm average and usually grimace, smirk, start the next year.
At 7-9 I kick the dog.
At 6-10 I beat the wife.
At <= 5-11 I reload from an earlier save.

[Warhammer]

I'll come out as the one lonely "Winning Record" pick.

If I sim 1000 years of history, hopefully the average team record will be 8-8. Past success shouldn't cloud our expectations so...

At 9-7 I'm elated, so happy that making the playoffs is gravy.
At 8-8 I'm average and usually grimace, smirk, start the next year.
At 7-9 I kick the cat.
At 6-10 I beat the cat.
At <= 5-11 I reload from an earlier save.

Fixed that for you...

But when you observe this, aren't you actually changing the result?

[SchrodingersDog]

But when you observe this, aren't you actually changing the result?

Only time that happens is when I watch the last game of my six team parlay.