Create the new College of W&M Logo (Subby, time to start drawin')

[wade moore]

http://www.tribeathletics.com/story.php/5722/


William and Mary Logo Committee at Work
14-Person Group Actively Seeking Suggestions from College Community
04/09/07 10:55AM
WILLIAMSBURG, Va. - The committee charged with developing a new logo for the College of William and Mary and its athletics program is seeking input from members of the College community.

The 14-person committee, chaired by Vice President for Student Affairs Sam Sadler, is made up of alumni, students, faculty and staff at the College. Members of the College community are encouraged to visit the committee’s new Web site at www.wm.edu/logo/ (http://www.wm.edu/logo/) to read more about the selection criteria, process and the official charge of the group. The committee is hoping to gather as much input as possible from members of the College community through April 29.

President Gene R. Nichol established the committee following a decision last fall by the National Collegiate Athletic Association regarding William and Mary’s athletic logo. As part of a review of more than 30 universities’ use nick-names, logos and imagery associated with Native Americans, the NCAA ruled last year that William and Mary’s ath-letic logo, which included two green and gold feathers, must be changed if the College wished to remain eligible host NCAA postseason events or participate in NCAA championship events. William and Mary appealed that ruling to the NCAA Executive Committee, which denied the appeal.

William and Mary President Gene R. Nichol has established a committee to develop a new symbol of identity for the College and its athletics program. The College’s Logo Committee, which is chaired by Sam Sadler, Vice President for Student Affairs, is tasked with developing both a logo for the school and making exploring whether the College should adopt a mascot at this time. The group will to present a recommendation by early Fall 2007.
William and Mary was one of the casualties of the NCAA crackin' down on logos/mascots/etc representing Native Americans. They are the "William and Mary Tribe". The name itself was not a problem, but the NCAA had problems with the feather that comes off of the M in the "WM" logo that it uses for athletics. (yeah yeah, i know)...

Anyway, they have to have a new logo for the fall if they want ot host any playoff games. So, they have a committee to decide on a new logo.

So on to what I think is the interesting part - they are soliciting community input including submitting logos. These could be viewed at in a few ways... This is a cool thing to get the community involved in, this is a cheap way to get a new logo, or this is just a publicity stunt - no matter what, this seems like an interesting approach to me after some heat W&M has taken lately for not listening to the community/alumni.

[RedKingGold]

My suggestion. Convert this into a cartoon:

http://www.stjamesmarketplace.com/butter%20churner.jpg

[Subby]

ping: cuervo and fritz

[wade moore]

ping: cuervo and fritz

There was definitely a hope on my part that they would catch this thread.

[Subby]

Here is a moving image of a young freshman passed out on the balcony of Dupont Second east in 1989 that might be the basis for a new feel good logo!

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/Subby/pride.jpg

[wade moore]

Huh, interesting, if you were in school 11 years later you would have shared a floor with my fiance ;)...

Long live Yates 1st South!

[lordscarlet]

Huh, interesting, if you were in school 11 years later you would have shared a floor with my fiance ;)...

Long live Yates 1st South!

And used the same chairs. ;)

Yates 1st South, Represent!

[Subby]

AND SHE WOULD PROBABLY BE MY FIANCE INSTEAD!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

:D

[cuervo72]

Thought had occurred to me, but no real ideas are jumping out yet.

[wade moore]

Thought had occurred to me, but no real ideas are jumping out yet.

My brother and I were bouncing this around. With the feather out (and presumably anything directly relating to Indians or Tribes) it becomes difficult.

I presume they want the colors to stay the same, even though it doesn't say that directly..

There has been talk in the past that flares up now and then about having a Phoenix for a mascot due to the idea of W&M raising from the ashes after several major fires and the other things the Phoenix implies...

Outside of that it seems like the only things to throw in with letters are like... things like pens and quills, something "history" related, maybe a sillhouette of a major building (like the Wren Building)... but nothing that really seems to jump out for a logo to me..

Anyway... I'd be curious to see if you end up actually putting any effort into this, LS has put thought into trying to throw something together but the inspiration is just hard to come by...

I do wonder if there is someway to illustrate "Tribe" without it being tied directly to Native Americans.

[lordscarlet]

My brother and I were bouncing this around. With the feather out (and presumably anything directly relating to Indians or Tribes) it becomes difficult.

I presume they want the colors to stay the same, even though it doesn't say that directly..

There has been talk in the past that flares up now and then about having a Phoenix for a mascot due to the idea of W&M raising from the ashes after several major fires and the other things the Phoenix implies...

Outside of that it seems like the only things to throw in with letters are like... things like pens and quills, something "history" related, maybe a sillhouette of a major building (like the Wren Building)... but nothing that really seems to jump out for a logo to me..

Anyway... I'd be curious to see if you end up actually putting any effort into this, LS has put thought into trying to throw something together but the inspiration is just hard to come by...

I do wonder if there is someway to illustrate "Tribe" without it being tied directly to Native Americans.

I wonder if something like a silhouette of a crowd would work?

[Subby]

I wonder if they will take this opportunity to come up with a whole new mascot and nickname...

[wade moore]

I wonder if they will take this opportunity to come up with a whole new mascot and nickname...

...We have decided that we will accept the President’s offer of considering a mascot idea in addition to a logo. But first things first. It is our belief that the logo should be our first determination...

Elsewhere though (in the PDF scan of the letter from Nichols) it says..

..It is also important, perhaps, to emphasize what the committee is not being asked to do. It is not being asked to review the College's nickname. We will remain the Tribe.

So, yes and no.

[Cringer]

How about DJ Lady Tribe? Nothing beats a big set of cans....

probably a site NSFW
hxxp://insaland.com/blog/?p=10

[Groundhog]

How about a funny little cartoon picture of a crazed, loveable devil-like American Indian attacking a peaceful white settler with a tomohawk axe?

[tarcone]

How about a funny little cartoon picture of a crazed, loveable devil-like American Indian attacking a peaceful white settler with a tomohawk axe?

He has to be carrying a big jug of whiskey with the xxx on it

[SFL Cat]

He has to be carrying a big jug of whiskey with the xxx on it

The Indian or the Settler?

Better yet, have the two holding the jug together, their arms around each other, stupid smiles on their faces and X's where their eyes should be!

[Buccaneer]

Tell me again what was wrong with Native American feathers? They are used in many ceremonial and sacred rituals. If we could use a quill pen (for example) to honor our colonial ancestors, wouldn't feathers do the same thing?

[Danny]

A college of milk chocolate candy coated delights? Am I dreaming???

[stevew]

Couldn't they just keep the same basic logo and subtly change the feathers from indian looking feathers into Quill pen feathers?

[King of New York]

The new logo should be a portrait of the college's most famous alumnus, Bushrod Washington, nephew of George Washington.

[Groundhog]

Somewhat more interestingly; I am alarmed at the quality of the W&M cheerleaders:

hxxp://www.wm.edu/so/tribaldancers/teambios.html

Erin or Becca both major in history and probably rank equal first in my books, but there really isn't too much too write home about after looking at that group.

[Peregrine]

Here is a moving image of a young freshman passed out on the balcony of Dupont Second east in 1989 that might be the basis for a new feel good logo!

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/Subby/pride.jpg


Classic, Subby. Takes me back to my time at W&M.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I like this one!

https://www.ticketreturn.com/prod2/images/WM%20Feather%20Logo.gif

[wade moore]

Tell me again what was wrong with Native American feathers? They are used in many ceremonial and sacred rituals. If we could use a quill pen (for example) to honor our colonial ancestors, wouldn't feathers do the same thing?

I wish I could answer this. I'm trying not to spend too much time on it because it pisses me off so much, but essentially it appears to be a big double standard since we're not a BCS school.

Couldn't they just keep the same basic logo and subtly change the feathers from indian looking feathers into Quill pen feathers?

The idea has been tossed around by various alumni. I don't think our administration has the balls to do that though.

Somewhat more interestingly; I am alarmed at the quality of the W&M cheerleaders:

hxxp://www.wm.edu/so/tribaldancers/teambios.html

Erin or Becca both major in history and probably rank equal first in my books, but there really isn't too much too write home about after looking at that group.


This is not news to anyone who has ever gone to W&M.

[JeeberD]

Erin or Becca both major in history and probably rank equal first in my books, but there really isn't too much too write home about after looking at that group.

Odd...I find Marie and Megan to be the two cutest.

[wade moore]

Odd...I find Marie and Megan to be the two cutest.

I assure, none of it is anything to be all of that proud of - either in looks or performance.

To be fair though, W&M does not give out scholarships for cheerleading and it is one of the most difficult public schools in the nation to get into.

[wade moore]

Dola:

Also, that's the Dance Team, not the cheerleaders.. I actually prefer them I think to the Cheerleaders...

hxxp://www.wm.edu/so/tribecheerleaders/

[lordscarlet]

Somewhat more interestingly; I am alarmed at the quality of the W&M cheerleaders:

hxxp://www.wm.edu/so/tribaldancers/teambios.html

Erin or Becca both major in history and probably rank equal first in my books, but there really isn't too much too write home about after looking at that group.



This is not news to anyone who has ever gone to W&M.

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[King of New York]

"

1) Once the women in question learn about these comments--and they will--they are going to use their 150+ IQs to Mind Flay you. It's been nice knowing you.

2) I wonder if the female student body has the same complaints about the male student body ;)

[lordscarlet]

1) Once the women in question learn about these comments--and they will--they are going to use their 150+ IQs to Mind Flay you. It's been nice knowing you.

2) I wonder if the female student body has the same complaints about the male student body ;)

1) I also went to W&M, so the power is negated

2) I assure you, they should (See #1)

[King of New York]

1) I also went to W&M, so the power is negated

2) I assure you, they should (See #1)

1) In single combat, yes, you can withstand the Mind Flay. But when they all launch a psychic assault against you simultaneously, they will reduce you to a gibbering puddle of drool.

2) :)

[Subby]

There were plenty of hot women at W&M - they just didn't hang out with nerds like wade ;)

[lordscarlet]

There were plenty of hot women at W&M - they just didn't hang out with nerds like wade ;)

In his defense, he probably didn't have any classes with either of them. :p

[wade moore]

There were plenty of hot women at W&M - they just didn't hang out with nerds like wade ;)

In his defense, he probably didn't have any classes with either of them. :p


And don't get me wrong.. the dancers/cheerleaders on a whole are not ugly imo, they're just not what people expect after watching FSU, USC, etc on TV...

And yeah, I think there were plenty of hot women and we got a bid of a bad rap...

[Fritz]

so did they go with the logo of the (obviously) gay guy hanging himself that I sent in?

[Karlifornia]

I suggest they change their name to the William & Mary Genocidin' SlaveMasters

[wade moore]

The 5 finalists have been announced! (yes, this is 2 /12 years later):

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/?svr=web

Mascot Idea #1 - Griffin

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/finalists/griffin.jpg
Mascot Idea #2 - King and Queen


http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/finalists/kingqueen.jpg
Mascot Idea #3 - Phoenix

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/finalists/phoenix.jpg Mascot Idea #4 - Pug

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/finalists/pug.jpg
Mascot Idea #5 - Wren

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/finalists/wren.jpg

[wade moore]

The Wren, Phoenix, and King/Queen all have explainable ties to the college.

The Griffin is kind of weird.

The Pug is WHAT THE FUCK worthy.

[Kodos]

Out of those choices, I like the Phoenix. The Griffin was a real WTF option for me. I pretty much hate all of them except the Phoenix.

[sterlingice]

The wheels of progress move slowly at W&M?

SI

[MikeVic]

The Queen only. Looks like Jay Leno in drag.

[Subby]

http://www.wm.edu/about/mascot/images/launch/aboutpage.gif

About the New Mascot

Meet the Griffin.

William & Mary's Griffin is a mythical creature with the body of a lion and the head of an eagle. The coat of arms of King William and Queen Mary was adorned with lions, and the lion's body of our mascot evokes our historic royal founding and early history. The eagle's head of the Griffin suggests the national symbol of the United States and represents the presidents, leaders, and productive citizens whom William & Mary has trained for centuries.

The College of William & Mary in Virginia is one of only two U.S. colleges or universities granted a coat of arms by the College of Heralds in London. Our mascot, the Griffin, is often depicted in British heraldry.
With its eagle's head and lion's body, the Griffin is a rare and wondrous construct. It evokes William & Mary's own uniqueness:
The College is a Public Ivy.
We number both Thomas Jefferson and Jon Stewart among our alumni.
Academic and athletic excellence go hand-in-hand at William & Mary to an extraordinary degree.
Though born in 1693, the College remains vibrantly alive in the early 21st Century.Our students use the breadth of a liberal arts education to create their own W&M experience. Chemistry majors write poetry for the literary magazine, business majors volunteer in soup kitchens, and football players star in Shakespeare.

The Griffin aptly symbolizes our Tribe athletes. The lion's strength and the eagle's vision suggest the union of strength with intelligence that characterizes more than 500 Tribe athletes, who compete on 23 Division I teams, while simultaneously thriving in a rigorous academic program that has no place to hide.

Throughout history, the Griffin has been known as a guardian of treasure. Our mascot, the Griffin, stands watch over The College of William & Mary -- the alma mater of a nation, cherished by generations of her sons and daughters.

[Subby]

Might as well just change the name - Griffin is kind of incongruous with Tribe.

[JediKooter]

Is his name Merv?

[pbot]

Should've gone with the Li-ger

[Swaggs]

Might as well just change the name - Griffin is kind of incongruous with Tribe.

Seriously. The artwork is pretty cool (for a Griffin), but it is odd to have "Tribe" below it, rather than the school name or initials.

[Logan]

The Queen only. Looks like Jay Leno in drag.

This was very poignant.

[sterlingice]

"We number both Thomas Jefferson and Jon Stewart among our alumni."

For some reason, I really laughed at this. I mean, I love The Daily Show, but c'mon, "Out most famous alumnus is one of the founding fathers and the 3rd President of the United States. Second most well known is a guy who hosts a comedy news program where 'the show that leads into {him} is puppets making crank phone calls'

SI

[Mustang]

William & Mary's Griffin is a mythical creature with the body of a lion and the head of an eagle. The coat of arms of King William and Queen Mary was adorned with lions, and the lion's body of our mascot evokes our historic royal founding and early history.

It also is an AC 3, 7 HD and has treasure types C & S...

[lordscarlet]

Ugh. This is disastrous.

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[King of New York]

Meh. Most people do not even know what a griffin is. Now we can spend the rest of our lives explaining why our mascot looks like the result of some genetic engineering experiment gone horribly wrong.

[lordscarlet]

Meh. Most people do not even know what a griffin is. Now we can spend the rest of our lives explaining why our mascot looks like the result of some genetic engineering experiment gone horribly wrong.

I would argue he just looks like an eagle. The legs clearly to make the suit more possible. There's not much evidence of Lion there. I guess the tail.

I repeat: ugh.

[Izulde]

Too bad the wing looks like a really bad case of armpit hair.

[Logan]

Could've used Subby.

[Scoobz0202]

He has a class... at mascot school.

[Izulde]

I would argue he just looks like an eagle.

First thing I thought of when I saw the logo was the Racine Case High School Eagles.

http://www.racine-casehs.com/eagle_final.jpg

Then, again, the UNLV Rebels' logo looks like a lot like the Racine Horlick High School Rebels, who are also scarlet and grey in their colors.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8b/Mascot_of_William_Horlick_High.jpg/75px-Mascot_of_William_Horlick_High.jpg

[King of New York]

Ugh. This is disastrous.

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I was there.

The strange thing was, before they announced the griffin, they made several "fake" announcements about other possibilities. Then, when they announced the griffin, everyone assumed that it was just another deke. Not until several minutes had passed did people realize that, in fact, they were serious about the griffin.

[RainMaker]

Ehhh....I actually loved the idea of a King and Queen mascot roaming the sidelines. Would have been something no one else had. The Griffin isn't bad since it's unique. The pug would have been an awesome WTF.

And fuck the NCAA's moronic policy on this. Your old logo kicked ass.

[sterlingice]

Yeah- I wish you had kept the old one. But, still, I think you could do a lot worse. It's definitely unique but not too crazy or just downright dumb.

SI

[King of New York]

Ehhh....I actually loved the idea of a King and Queen mascot roaming the sidelines. Would have been something no one else had. The Griffin isn't bad since it's unique. The pug would have been an awesome WTF.

And fuck the NCAA's moronic policy on this. Your old logo kicked ass.

Rumor has it that the new mascot had to be a bird of some sort so that W&M could try to get the feathers back. Not sure if there is anything to that rumor, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Toddzilla]

Dissaproves
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/i/b_picture/20003780.jpg

[Mustang]

It actually could be worse. You could have had a name change like Marquette did for around 48 hours when they changed it to Gold.

[Swaggs]

Are the official colors green and gold/yellow (or whatever their specific names are) only, or is brown in there too? I don't like the brown/tan legs on the mascot (I know it is half lion, but it is a fictional creature mascot) -- otherwise, it isn't too bad.

[wade moore]

"We number both Thomas Jefferson and Jon Stewart among our alumni."

For some reason, I really laughed at this. I mean, I love The Daily Show, but c'mon, "Out most famous alumnus is one of the founding fathers and the 3rd President of the United States. Second most well known is a guy who hosts a comedy news program where 'the show that leads into {him} is puppets making crank phone calls'

SI

Well, we'd look cocky if we listed ALL of the founding fathers/presidents that graduated from W&M...

[sterlingice]

Well, we'd look cocky if we listed ALL of the founding fathers/presidents that graduated from W&M...

That's magnanimous of you ;)

Speaking of which, we need to head down to Williamsburg at least one more time since we have a season pass. I'll need to PM you before that :)

SI

[lordscarlet]

Are the official colors green and gold/yellow (or whatever their specific names are) only, or is brown in there too? I don't like the brown/tan legs on the mascot (I know it is half lion, but it is a fictional creature mascot) -- otherwise, it isn't too bad.

Green and gold are the colors.

[King of New York]

Green and gold are the colors.

LS,

Meant to point out that my "meh" earlier in this thread was directed at the mascot, not at your comment.

Any bets as to whether the Griffin lasts longer than Colonel Ebirt?

[Subby]

I approve of pantlessness.

[Butter]

Hey, let's get the crowd all fired up!

*silence*

[lordscarlet]

LS,

Meant to point out that my "meh" earlier in this thread was directed at the mascot, not at your comment.

Any bets as to whether the Griffin lasts longer than Colonel Ebirt?

I think there was too much hoopla for it not to be.

[wade moore]

Yeah - it'll stick around for awhile I think.

The question is - will the student body/alumni embrace it? That I'm a lot more doubtful of.

However, if, as hinted, they work the feathers back into the logo, people may be won over.