Werewolf Small Game - A Werewolf Dance Party (Game Over)

[Alan T]

You finished your finals and immediately bolt out the door. You have planned all year to go to Europe during your summer vacation. By yourself you plan on seeing all of the sights of Europe. You spend a few days in London, then on to Paris and finally into Bern, Germany.

While in Germany, you run into some other locals that happen to be close to your age that happen to also speak English. They invite you to go to a party later in the evening, after midnight. They assure you that it will be a party that you will always remember. Being quite the party animal, you of course plan on showing up. You arrive that evening at the correct address, give the secret password to get in that your friend gave you and are allowed inside.

The party is everything you had hoped it would be, alot of attractive girls, great music and an outstanding evening. Suddenly, the lights go out, the room becomes pitch dark. You hear the sounds of panic and feel people bump into you repeatedly. You hear screaming and decide that you've had enough yourself. You start rushing for where you remember the door being. You push people out of your way, others knock you down off of your feet and then suddenly everything goes black.

You wake up the next morning, rather groggy and with a huge headache. You look around you and find yourself in a pool of filth, another body is laying on top of you and others all around you. You manage to crawl out from under the body and suddenly are shocked to realize the person's throat had been ripped out. You look all around you and see corpses. You run for the door and push on it, but it has been barricaded from the other side. You are trapped! You shout out for help, hoping someone.. anyone will hear you.

Suddenly you hear a loud whisper from across the room, "Hey... be quiet, or they'll hear you..." The man waves you over and you hurry behind the counter. He points you down the nearby hallway and you rush down it with him to find a room with suprisingly a handful of other people alive. Most of them look at you distrustfully, when the man who brought you down the hall explains to you what happened. It was supposed to only be a rumor, but unfortunatly it is very real. Once every 30 days there are men who turn into wolves at the full moon night. Their hunger is so great that they must feed on live blood to sustain themselves. Those who are not lucky enough to die instantly, end up cursed as one of them, forever living their lives in hunger for blood themselves.

He whispers to you,"There is no one else alive in here, they must also be here with us... "

[Alan T]

This might seem like a traditional small person game, however everything you know about Werewolf is about to change. This game will have less people like other small games will, but you won't be able to trust the normal truths and plan on surviving this time.

Roles:

Seer - Can scan one player every night and determine the alliegance of that player.

Bodyguard - Can protect one person each night from harm.

Killer - Can kill someone else at night.

Alliegances:

Wolves - You originally came to Europe looking for adventure. During the horrific events of the previous evening you were cursed. You now only care for one thing and one thing alone, feeding your endless hunger for human blood. You will win the game when you have fed as much as you need to suffice your hunger for this night.

Villager - You have come to Europe looking for adventure, and have managed to find it in a way that you had not intended. You currently are trapped inside of the night club with others that look like you.... but are they?

You must manage to kill off the wolves to survive. If you are able to do so, you might find the way out and live just yet.

Day actions:

Each day you must vote for one person whom you want to kill. The person with the most votes will have a stake driven through their heart. In the case of a tie an unknown method for breaking the tie will be used.

Night actions:

Only roles that specifically have night actions may submit one action to me for the night. Any other player will spend the night in fear hoping that they do not die that night.

Personal Messages:

No player is allowed to communicate with any other player, unless I indicate it is allowed. This includes PM, IM or other method of communications as far as discussing this game is involved.

Game Schedule:

Each day time will start at 9am EDT, and each day will end at 9pm EDT. Results from each day and night will be posted at that time.

Other unlisted things:

I reserve the right to modify rules or roles if needed in the best interests of the game.

[Alan T]

1) St.Cronin
2) Lathum - Killed Day 1 - Wolf Seer
3) Daddytorgo
4) Path12
5) Ntndeacon
6) Saldana - Killed Day 3 - Wolf
7) Michael1123 (Replaced Hoopsguy Day2)
8) Imthecrew - Killed Day 2 - Wolf
9) Brxnivy
10) Chief Rum
11) Richard Weed

Alt) Passacaglia - if after thursday

[st.cronin]

in

[Lathum]

in

[Passacaglia]

If the start date is Thursday or later, I'm in.

[DaddyTorgo]

not seeing how this changes the rules yes, but i'm in.

IN

[Alan T]

If the start date is Thursday or later, I'm in.

I have you listed as an alt for now Pass. Ideally I would like to start by mon/tues next week and end it by the weekend so another game can start up the following week though!

[path12]

Inny.

[Passacaglia]

I have you listed as an alt for now Pass. Ideally I would like to start by mon/tues next week and end it by the weekend so another game can start up the following week though!

Sounds good.

[Chief Rum]

I would like to play, but I recently changed my schedule around so I am working days at my primary job, and nights at my second job (as I had been doing before Jabuary). Which means that the standard day-night cycle games are set in a way I can't participate in the day cycles at all.

If you have trouble finding a ninth, I'll play with the condition some days I can put a in lynch vote for the next day before the night cycle deadline in the morning. But it would probably be better if I sit this one out, as I wouldn't be able to participate as much.

So I'll play if you need me, but I don't think you will have problems filling your spots.

[ntndeacon]

I am in.

[DaddyTorgo]

I would like to play, but I recently changed my schedule around so I am working days at my primary job, and nights at my second job (as I had been doing before Jabuary). Which means that the standard day-night cycle games are set in a way I can't participate in the day cycles at all.

If you have trouble finding a ninth, I'll play with the condition some days I can put a in lynch vote for the next day before the night cycle deadline in the morning. But it would probably be better if I sit this one out, as I wouldn't be able to participate as much.

So I'll play if you need me, but I don't think you will have problems filling your spots.

Jabuary? When was that?

[DaddyTorgo]

I would like to play, but I recently changed my schedule around so I am working days at my primary job, and nights at my second job (as I had been doing before Jabuary). Which means that the standard day-night cycle games are set in a way I can't participate in the day cycles at all.

If you have trouble finding a ninth, I'll play with the condition some days I can put a in lynch vote for the next day before the night cycle deadline in the morning. But it would probably be better if I sit this one out, as I wouldn't be able to participate as much.

So I'll play if you need me, but I don't think you will have problems filling your spots.

Jabuary? When was that?:D

[st.cronin]

Jabuary was when Chief Rum had a really bad cold.

[Chief Rum]

Jabuary? When was that?:D

I'm not sure what's funnier. That I made a silly typo, or that you made a typo error making fun of my typo. :)

[Alan T]

Bump so everyone sees it. Would like a few more people. Aiming to start at the beginning of the next week if we can get a few more.

[saldana]

in

[Richard Weed]

I can do this if the game begins on Friday.

Edit-Nevermind. I see it starts next week. Sign me up! (This is Raiders Army)

[hoopsguy]

Raiders, why the new handle? It appears you lost posts!!!!!1!1!

[Alan T]

I can do this if the game begins on Friday.

Edit-Nevermind. I see it starts next week. Sign me up! (This is Raiders Army)

Raiders are you playing under this name or under Raiders Army? Also just making sure, you are ok with the game starting this monday? Your post confused me a bit so not sure if you were thinking next week (not this week)

[Richard Weed]

Raiders are you playing under this name or under Raiders Army? Also just making sure, you are ok with the game starting this monday? Your post confused me a bit so not sure if you were thinking next week (not this week)
Going with Richard Weed. Ah, I thought it was starting on the 21st, not today.

Raiders, why the new handle? It appears you lost posts!!!!!1!1!
For some reason, I can't login with Raiders Army. Meh. Just as well, since I was on hiatus from FOFC for a month or so becuase of various reasons ranging from some members pissing me off to my dad dying on April 15th. This is a new beginning for Dick Weed.

[Lathum]

condolinces on your father

[ImTheCrew]

in

[brxnivy]

I'll play. I'm new to playing on this forum but have been playing on another site.

[Alan T]

I'll play. I'm new to playing on this forum but have been playing on another site.

Good to have you on board, I hope you enjoy the game. :)

I have the limit of players that I am really wanting for this game. Wanted a smallish group for this rule set. I plan on starting the game later today with roles being sent out at that time. I have some PM's sent to Richard Weed and Chief rum just verifying if they are playing or not first.

Day one will start once roles are randomized and sent. Day one will end 9:00pm PDT on Tuesday night, so it will be an extended day 1.

[Swaggs]

Sorry to hear about your father, RA.

[Alan T]

All roles are currently being sent out. Once they have all been PM'd, I will start off day 1. The deadline for day 1 will be 9:00pm EDT Tuesday night.

Role PM's will state the following information:

Villager:

You have come to Europe looking for adventure, and have managed to find it in a way that you had not intended. You currently are trapped inside of the night club with others that look like you.... but are they?

You must manage to kill off the wolves to survive. If you are able to do so, you might find the way out and live just yet.

Wolf:

You originally came to Europe looking for adventure. During the horrific events of the previous evening you were cursed. You now only care for one thing and one thing alone, feeding your endless hunger for human blood. You will win the game when you have fed as much as you need to suffice your hunger for this night.


Of course players with additional roles will have those added to the end of their general allegiance role that is sent out.

[Lathum]

Got my role. Checking in.

[Alan T]

As you look around the room at the other faces surounding you, some are scared, others just look injured. If the other wolf or wolves are in the room with you right now, you definitly can not tell. Finally one of the other larger men in the room picks up a heavy board and threatens everyone else,"I should just kill you all to make sure I don't get killed tonight!" A few others respond pretty hostile to the man and everything appears to be on the verge of falling apart before a quieter voice from the back of the room speaks up...

"If we kill each other, we'll end up just like those in the main room who did not make it. We have to handle this civily... humanly... " He pauses before continuing,"We should pick one person each day to kill. Surely the wolves would attempt to save their own, and then we will know who to take care of?"

Most of the people in the room think about it for a bit, but finally everyone realizes that this way makes the most sense. You all agree to the plan and find some part of the room to stake up as your own. Some lay down and attempt to rest, but its easy to see that no one will be able to sleep easily tonight.

Day 1 has now started. You must vote on one person in the room to sacrifice in the attempt to survive. To do so, please vote by posting in this thread:

VOTE PLAYERNAME

Make sure the votes are bold and uppercase and stand out so I don't miss them.
Deadline for Day 1 is Tuesday night 9:00pm EDT

[path12]

This might seem like a traditional small person game, however everything you know about Werewolf is about to change. This game will have less people like other small games will, but you won't be able to trust the normal truths and plan on surviving this time.

Villager checking in. Any thoughts on the above? Based on the role descriptions it looks pretty straightforward, but the above gives me some pause.

[Lathum]

Villager checking in. Any thoughts on the above? Based on the role descriptions it looks pretty straightforward, but the above gives me some pause.

I thought it was odd also.

[ntndeacon]

my first thought is that the number of wolves is being played with. Also perhaps the seer is unable to outright say who he has viewed. I am sure our keeper in here has some interesting plans for us all. Of course, he also could have said that just to mess with our heads and make us doubt all the more.

[path12]

Great. That's what I need, a reason to doubt more in werewolf. :)

[Lathum]

my first thought is that the number of wolves is being played with. Also perhaps the seer is unable to outright say who he has viewed. I am sure our keeper in here has some interesting plans for us all. Of course, he also could have said that just to mess with our heads and make us doubt all the more.

interesting

[ntndeacon]

just another thought. But we have seen unmentioned roles before. so are those three villager roles all there are?

[hoopsguy]

OK, until we have some kind of information that indicates what rules/conventions we can't trust I think that falling back on old (good) habits is probably appropriate. I can't imagine, based upon the PMs, that all conventional wisdom will work against us.

11 people here - guessing 2-3 cursed? With a seer, bodyguard, and a night killer (one time? or repeatable) I'm thinking two.

I can come up with all kinds of kooky ideas that would be different in this game and I'm confident that Alan has done as promised. But based on knowledge so far I don't see anything yet to help make intelligent speculation as compared to wild-ass guesses.

[path12]

just another thought. But we have seen unmentioned roles before. so are those three villager roles all there are?

Now that I look at it, it just says "Roles", not Villager Roles. I guess if the killer is a villager role that would be something like an assassin, but it looks like a weird role for the good guys in so small a game. I guess the killer could be the wolves, but I would have thought that was a given.

[path12]

But based on knowledge so far I don't see anything yet to help make intelligent speculation as compared to wild-ass guesses.

This sums up every day 1 there has ever been.

[path12]

11 people here - guessing 2-3 cursed? With a seer, bodyguard, and a night killer (one time? or repeatable) I'm thinking two.

I'd agree with two. Three seems too much for this size.

[ntndeacon]

another possibility on number of wolves is 1 with conversion. That would certainly lessen any trust we had.

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in. gotta reread the rules and see how things differ in this game, but i'm here

[DaddyTorgo]

strangeness...i'm very confused as to what these changes that alan mentioned are.

RA...condolences on your dad.

Is Lathum playing? That'd make my vote easy :-P

[Richard Weed]

Checking in now. Thanks for the thoughts. I appreciate it. Now that my mom and dad are both gone, this is the second time I've been orphaned.

Anyhow, it looks to be an interesting game!

[saldana]

RA, sorry about your dad

villager checking in

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in now. Thanks for the thoughts. I appreciate it. Now that my mom and dad are both gone, this is the second time I've been orphaned.

man...that sucks. I'm really sorry to hear that (again).

and on another note...do you mind if we call you dickweed?

[st.cronin]

Checking in, looking forward to not getting lynched since Alan's not playing. :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm sure the moderator will frame you, Cronin :)

[Lathum]

Is Lathum playing? That'd make my vote easy :-P

easy now

[DaddyTorgo]

easy now

just messin with you man

[st.cronin]

OK, until we have some kind of information that indicates what rules/conventions we can't trust I think that falling back on old (good) habits is probably appropriate. I can't imagine, based upon the PMs, that all conventional wisdom will work against us.


I think this is a dangerous way to play. Unfortunately, I can't really offer an alternative yet.

[Richard Weed]

RA, sorry about your dad

villager checking in
Thanks sal.
man...that sucks. I'm really sorry to hear that (again).

and on another note...do you mind if we call you dickweed?
Not at all...that's why I chose this name. ;)

[Chief Rum]

All right, I'm here. My time will be sketchy through tomorrow and during day discussion in general. But I should be around some at nights, and I will be following along what I can't be here for.

Roles seem to be similar to the WW roles we know, except for killer. So what's different must be the underlying rules.

Some common rules to "test", if we have the chance:

1) More than one of each type of role?
2) BG can protect same person every night?
3) Role passes on to a living player if removed from game?
4) Wolves have only limited communications/PM?
5) The dead can be fed on by the wolves, creating new wolves back from the dead?
6) Traditional roles aren't on traditional sides (seer and BG evil, killer good)?

Anyway, that's just shooting in the dark, and maybe we're reading too much into it. But food for thought.

I will almost certainly be voting tonight already for tomorrow's lynch, as I will not be around all day tomorrow. Short of someone saying, "I'm a wolf, and I dare you to kill me", chances are it will have to be a random vote. Apologies in advance.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE BRXNIVY

Welcome to the game, rook! :)

Seriously, the basis for this vote is absolutely nothing. Jump on at your own risk.

[saldana]

All right, I'm here. My time will be sketchy through tomorrow and during day discussion in general. But I should be around some at nights, and I will be following along what I can't be here for.

Roles seem to be similar to the WW roles we know, except for killer. So what's different must be the underlying rules.

Some common rules to "test", if we have the chance:

1) More than one of each type of role?
2) BG can protect same person every night?
3) Role passes on to a living player if removed from game?
4) Wolves have only limited communications/PM?
5) The dead can be fed on by the wolves, creating new wolves back from the dead?
6) Traditional roles aren't on traditional sides (seer and BG evil, killer good)?

Anyway, that's just shooting in the dark, and maybe we're reading too much into it. But food for thought.

I will almost certainly be voting tonight already for tomorrow's lynch, as I will not be around all day tomorrow. Short of someone saying, "I'm a wolf, and I dare you to kill me", chances are it will have to be a random vote. Apologies in advance.

some interesting thoughts, but number 5 would have to be pretty much impossible....if, for example, I got killed tonight by the wolves, was dead tomorrow, and then showed up as alive again on thursday, that would be a pretty solid giveaway that I was not a normal villager anymore.

some of your other thoughts are intriguing though.

[Barkeep49]

Glad to see this game off the ground.

[hoopsguy]

Villager:
You must manage to kill off the wolves to survive. If you are able to do so, you might find the way out and live just yet.

Wolf:
You will win the game when you have fed as much as you need to suffice your hunger for this night.

Upon further review, the wolf victory condition is the only thing that I saw out of the ordinary in the role PMs. It doesn't indicate a 1:1 ratio or a "kill all villagers" - it seems fairly open-ended.

[DaddyTorgo]

phew. i worried i had missed our D1 vote, but i thought it was Tues.

BTW...FTR...I like the "extended D1" concept very much. Gives people some leeway with checking PM's and what-not.

[st.cronin]

VOTE NTNDEACON

Total hunch, we'll see how this works out.

[Lathum]

Well Cronin beat me to it.

Vote NTNDeacon,

I actualy have what I think is a somewhat solid day one reason. In post 33 NTNDeacon points out that there may be a problem with seer scans. It seems he could be planning to use this down the line if he gets scanned and comes up wolf. He could also be correct about his line of thinking but I guess if I need a day one reason this is as good as any.

my first thought is that the number of wolves is being played with. Also perhaps the seer is unable to outright say who he has viewed. I am sure our keeper in here has some interesting plans for us all. Of course, he also could have said that just to mess with our heads and make us doubt all the more.


Subject to change but I will be gone from 2:30 until after the deadline. I also know I am the second day one vote, blah blah blah. Someone has to be.

[ImTheCrew]

Villiger checking in........ Catching up and such

[DaddyTorgo]

Well Cronin beat me to it.

Vote NTNDeacon,

I actualy have what I think is a somewhat solid day one reason. In post 33 NTNDeacon points out that there may be a problem with seer scans. It seems he could be planning to use this down the line if he gets scanned and comes up wolf. He could also be correct about his line of thinking but I guess if I need a day one reason this is as good as any.




Subject to change but I will be gone from 2:30 until after the deadline. I also know I am the second day one vote, blah blah blah. Someone has to be.

of course it could also mean he is the seer and is trying to warn us of that under the cover of a hypothetical.

props to you for being the 2nd vote on someone on D1 lathum.

[Lathum]

of course it could also mean he is the seer and is trying to warn us of that under the cover of a hypothetical.

props to you for being the 2nd vote on someone on D1 lathum.

I would hope the seer wouldn't be so obvious. I would assume they have knowledge of their role and would have no reason to speculate and possibly cause confusion.

[st.cronin]

of course it could also mean he is the seer and is trying to warn us of that under the cover of a hypothetical.

props to you for being the 2nd vote on someone on D1 lathum.

If that is the case it was too obvious and clumsy a clue and he would have been eaten tonight.

[brxnivy]

I'll buy that reasoning since I don't have much of a reason to vote for anyone right now.

Vote NTNDeacon

[saldana]

although i have no idea whether or not he is the seer, i am relatively positive that NTN is not a wolf.

i take his statement about playing with the number of wolves to simply be an assumption on his part that there may be conversions in the game

lathum and cronin, i strongly suggest you look elsewhere.

[saldana]

with day one being what it is, i am gonna place my vote in the aim of inciting some chatter from him, since everytime i have played with him, he has been the king of UTR

VOTE IMTHECREW

[saldana]

I'll buy that reasoning since I don't have much of a reason to vote for anyone right now.

Vote NTNDeacon

although i have no idea whether or not he is the seer, i am relatively positive that NTN is not a wolf.

i take his statement about playing with the number of wolves to simply be an assumption on his part that there may be conversions in the game

lathum and cronin, i strongly suggest you look elsewhere.


brxnivy, this goes to you as well, and welcome to the game.

[Alan T]

Deadline is in 8 hours (9pm EDT)

Current vote totals:

(3) Ntndeacon - St.cronin (59), Lathum (60), Brxnivy (65)
(1) Brxnivy - Chief Rum (55)
(1) Imthecrew - Saldana (67)

[st.cronin]

although i have no idea whether or not he is the seer, i am relatively positive that NTN is not a wolf.

i take his statement about playing with the number of wolves to simply be an assumption on his part that there may be conversions in the game

lathum and cronin, i strongly suggest you look elsewhere.

Where? I understand you not wanting to jump on a bandwagon..

[saldana]

Where? I understand you not wanting to jump on a bandwagon..

thats the problem with it being day 1, i dont really know where....i just know that NTN is not a good choice.

[st.cronin]

thats the problem with it being day 1, i dont really know where....i just know that NTN is not a good choice.

How can you possibly KNOW that? :confused:

[Lathum]

although i have no idea whether or not he is the seer, i am relatively positive that NTN is not a wolf.

i take his statement about playing with the number of wolves to simply be an assumption on his part that there may be conversions in the game

lathum and cronin, i strongly suggest you look elsewhere.

How do you get conversions from NTN talking about the seers abilities?

[Lathum]

Dola- I am not saying I am sure NTN is a wolf but day 1 is always a crapshoot and I am trying to make somewhat of an educated guess.

[Lathum]

Alan, were there any night zero actions?

[Lathum]

another question, are there unlisted roles?

the only way I can imagine Saldana being sure is if they are brothers and even then I am not sure it could clear NTN

[Alan T]

Alan, were there any night zero actions?

If anyone had any Pre-Day 1 actions, only they would know about it. For game purposes, we started on Day 1 with no Night 0.

[st.cronin]

another question, are there unlisted roles?

the only way I can imagine Saldana being sure is if they are brothers and even then I am not sure it could clear NTN

Or maybe lovers, where one dies and the other dies too. The other thing I'm wondering is if its like this:

ntn = villager
saldana = wolf

Then ntn gets lynched, saldana becomes semi-cleared.

[Alan T]

My only comment about what is and is not in the game is this line from the rules:

This might seem like a traditional small person game, however everything you know about Werewolf is about to change. This game will have less people like other small games will, but you won't be able to trust the normal truths and plan on surviving this time.


I have not stated if the role list is all inclusive or not thus far. As people die, perhaps many of you might be able to start connecting the dots however.

[path12]

If anyone had any Pre-Day 1 actions, only they would know about it. For game purposes, we started on Day 1 with no Night 0.

Based on that, I think we either assume Saldana had some kind of Night 0 role or that he is a wolf trying to gain trust. But coming out with something like that would be pretty bold for a wolf day 1.......then again, in a short game a couple days trust can go a long way.

Hmmm. Mysterious games suck early.

[Lathum]

Based on what Saldana says I am not married to my vote but I need to hear a little more before I change to ITC which is where I'll go based on his general silence in these games

[path12]

Based on what Saldana says I am not married to my vote but I need to hear a little more before I change to ITC which is where I'll go based on his general silence in these games

I'd like to hear from a couple people, but I'm not eager to jump on ITC. I think he gets a little bit of a bad rap for being quiet -- we've lynched him a few times for talking also after all, so I can understand him wanting to be circumspect.....to an extent, of course.

[Lathum]

If I change to ITC it will be for the purpose of creating a tie and forcing some conversation.

I think we learn alot more in the long run from having 2-3 candidates on day one then everyone just voting for each other. If I switch off NTN it won't be onto someone who has no votes. That leaves brxinvy and ITC.

[st.cronin]

My philosophy is I don't change my vote on day 1 unless there is a tie or somebody reveals.

If it were day 2 I'd be a lot more tempted to listen to saldana. As it is, maybe he's right, maybe not ... I just can't think of a (non-sinister) reason for him to KNOW that ntn is good.

[path12]

If I change to ITC it will be for the purpose of creating a tie and forcing some conversation.

I think we learn alot more in the long run from having 2-3 candidates on day one then everyone just voting for each other. If I switch off NTN it won't be onto someone who has no votes. That leaves brxinvy and ITC.

I understand the reasoning. But forcing conversation day 1 usually leads to bad assumptions IMO.

[Lathum]

Well I am leaving and I see no real reason to change my vote for better or worse.

[hoopsguy]

I understand the reasoning. But forcing conversation day 1 usually leads to bad assumptions IMO.

I generally agree with this in larger games. But with the accelerated action in small games I think I would rather have conversation than not even on Day 1.

Linkage - Saldana trusts NTN as non-wolf. NTN, do you reciprocate that trust or should this be considered a one-way association?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE IMTHECREW

subject to change...blah blah blah. just don't want to be a part of lynching someone important if saldana knows something.

[ntndeacon]

VOTE NTNDEACON

Total hunch, we'll see how this works out.

Well Cronin beat me to it.

Vote NTNDeacon,

I actualy have what I think is a somewhat solid day one reason. In post 33 NTNDeacon points out that there may be a problem with seer scans. It seems he could be planning to use this down the line if he gets scanned and comes up wolf. He could also be correct about his line of thinking but I guess if I need a day one reason this is as good as any.




Subject to change but I will be gone from 2:30 until after the deadline. I also know I am the second day one vote, blah blah blah. Someone has to be.

I'll buy that reasoning since I don't have much of a reason to vote for anyone right now.

Vote NTNDeacon

This is just CRAP! If I could I would vote off all three of you for this bull hockey! I got railed upon for asking the questions in previous games ands now. I get pounced on for trying to figure out what Alan meant. I don't know if any of my possibilities are valid. I am just using my imagination to come up with possibilities. If you 3 can't see that then maybe you should go to a corner of the flooer and just wait there for the wolves to feed on you. The only one who even tries to give a reason is Lathum, and even his reasoning is so flawed you could run a truck through it.

[ntndeacon]

although i have no idea whether or not he is the seer, i am relatively positive that NTN is not a wolf.

i take his statement about playing with the number of wolves to simply be an assumption on his part that there may be conversions in the game

lathum and cronin, i strongly suggest you look elsewhere.


It wasn't even an assuption, really. I was throwing it out there as a possibility. I have no clue really how many wolves there are. If I go with what would be considered the norm I would say 2 but we already have been warned about making those assumptions. I don't know how he went. I think we should just assume we have more than we think there are, Several players here get better when we get up against the wolves winning.

[ntndeacon]

I generally agree with this in larger games. But with the accelerated action in small games I think I would rather have conversation than not even on Day 1.

Linkage - Saldana trusts NTN as non-wolf. NTN, do you reciprocate that trust or should this be considered a one-way association?

yes, I do trust saldana. I definately wont be voting for him.

[ntndeacon]

I am taking brxnivy's vote on me as a bit suspicious. it sure looks like a pile on vote to me. so since my vote needs to go somewhere.

Vote Brxnivy

[st.cronin]

yes, I do trust saldana. I definately wont be voting for him.

Would you care to explain why? Even a hint would be cool.

[ntndeacon]

Would you care to explain why? Even a hint would be cool.

Look! let's just leave it as I feel closer to him than any one of you suckers. All right?

[saldana]

Would you care to explain why? Even a hint would be cool.

and i already gave a hint

[st.cronin]

and i already gave a hint

It would be more convincing if you both gave the SAME hint. As it is, I feel as though I'm being manipulated.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for the votes:

(3) Ntndeacon - St.cronin (59), Lathum (60), Brxnivy (65)
(2) Brxnivy - Chief Rum (55), ntndeacon (92)
(2) Imthecrew - Saldana (67), DaddyTorgo (88)

Given that NTN and Saldana are cross-vouching for each other right now, I'm inclined to steer clear of them today. The fact that none of the three votes have moved since Saldana came forward is strange to me. Saldana's act doesn't clear NTN, but the linkage between the two is significant for future actions.

So without better logic for Day 1, I'll look to vote for someone who has a view that I don't agree with at this point. I'll switch to protect NTN if needed - I should be around as deadline approaches it, but for now I'll put it on the person who concerns me the most among the three voting for NTN.

VOTE LATHUM

[ntndeacon]

It would be more convincing if you both gave the SAME hint. As it is, I feel as though I'm being manipulated.

I sorry you can't see the hints out there. We have been pretty obvious already. taking off the striped shirt and black hat might help though.

[st.cronin]

Here is what I show for the votes:

(3) Ntndeacon - St.cronin (59), Lathum (60), Brxnivy (65)
(2) Brxnivy - Chief Rum (55), ntndeacon (92)
(2) Imthecrew - Saldana (67), DaddyTorgo (88)

Given that NTN and Saldana are cross-vouching for each other right now, I'm inclined to steer clear of them today. The fact that none of the three votes have moved since Saldana came forward is strange to me. Saldana's act doesn't clear NTN, but the linkage between the two is significant for future actions.

So without better logic for Day 1, I'll look to vote for someone who has a view that I don't agree with at this point. I'll switch to protect NTN if needed - I should be around as deadline approaches it, but for now I'll put it on the person who concerns me the most among the three voting for NTN.

VOTE LATHUM

It doesn't concern you that two players are vouching for each other on DAY ONE? That doesn't seem a little odd to you?

[Richard Weed]

I'll make it interesting: VOTE IMTHECREW

Let's see what happens now.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I'm trying to keep an open mind to the different rules promised by our moderator. Those two are giving us information to work with. We have enough people in the game that I would rather take my shots at people who are playing their cards close to the vest than people who are giving information.

I find it highly unlikely that they are both enemies - that seems like a big-time losing play to execute on Day 1.

[path12]

I'll make it interesting: VOTE IMTHECREW

Let's see what happens now.

We can make it even more interesting.

VOTE BRXNIVY

Who is yet to vote?

[st.cronin]

Cronin, I'm trying to keep an open mind to the different rules promised by our moderator. Those two are giving us information to work with. We have enough people in the game that I would rather take my shots at people who are playing their cards close to the vest than people who are giving information.

I find it highly unlikely that they are both enemies - that seems like a big-time losing play to execute on Day 1.

Ok, I'm willing to go along with you for now.

unvote ntndeacon
vote Lathum

I realize this may strike some as an odd vote.

[path12]

Dola, I guess it's ITC left to vote, so maybe this wouldn't be so interesting after all. I hate day 1.

[path12]

Plus a failed dola. *sigh*.

[path12]

I realize this may strike some as an odd vote.

I don't think so. I think it's prudent to give ntn/Saldana a pass for today until we learn more.

[st.cronin]

Who is yet to vote?

I think just ITC.

[path12]

OK, I guess I'll stay where I am with my vote. It's finally cracked 70 in Seattle and I've got a golf date to keep.

[hoopsguy]

Can someone translate time zones here - PDT? Is that midnight EST? If so, I'm not going to be around for the deadline as I will go to bed before then.

[Alan T]

Can someone translate time zones here - PDT? Is that midnight EST? If so, I'm not going to be around for the deadline as I will go to bed before then.

Sorry, the title is wrong. The deadline is 9pm EDT like listed in the rules and posted earlier today as well. Fixing the thread title

[Alan T]

40 minutes till deadline. Current vote totals are:

(3) Imthecrew - Saldana (67), Daddytorgo (88), RIchard weed (100)
(3) Brxnivy - Chief Rum (55), Ntndeacon (92), Path12 (102)
(2) Ntndeacon - Lathum (60), Brxnivy (65)
(2) Lathum - Hoopsguy (97), St.cronin (103)

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Brxnivy
Vote Lathum

[saldana]

UNVOTE IMTHECREW
VOTE LATHUM

[ntndeacon]

I wonder whether his reasoning for voting for me was a wolf trying to hard to cme up with a day 1 rationale.

[saldana]

hoops, i know why i voted for him, but can i ask what brought about your vote for Lathum

[saldana]

deadline

[Alan T]

Final Count:

(4) Lathum - Hoopsguy (97), St.cronin (103), Ntndeacon (112), Saldana (113)
(2) Imthecrew - Daddytorgo (88), RIchard weed (100)
(2) Brxnivy - Chief Rum (55), Path12 (102)
(2) Ntndeacon - Lathum (60), Brxnivy (65)

[Alan T]

The talk begins slowly, almost as if the room of strangers takes a bit of time to get accustomed to the other people in the room with them. Finally accusations start to fly, first with Lathum pointing his finger at Ntndeacon, but then a backlash of attacks back to Lathum. Finally, Ntndeacon states loudly for the room,"I've had just about enough of him!" and he takes a nearby knife and stabs it deep into Lathum's chest.

Lathum wheezes at first, then you start to notice a change, he starts to get hairier and starts to howl in pain. Its not long before you see that he is covered with light grey fur. Ntndeacon does not waste a minute before he pulls the knife back out of Lathum and then uses it to slice his neck open to let the blood pour out.

Lathum is dead, he was a wolf.

Night 1 deadline is 9:00am EDT Wednesday morning.

[saldana]

excellent.

[saldana]

hard to believe that lathum actually made a mistake as a wolf, at least to my eyes, and if i know hoops, he saw the same thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

dang. Nice catch

[st.cronin]

hmmmmmm

[Richard Weed]

Good job. It's a good game when we start out with getting a wolf. I've got to re-read through there to see what sal and hoops saw.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, terrific! I have no idea what you guys are seeing. I must be completely off my game.

I'll try to take a look and see what you all are driving at.

And, yes, I am here. Got a bit of a head cold at my first job today, and managed to ditch the second job. I really do have the cold--but there's also a hockey game to watch tonight! :)

[hoopsguy]

hoops, i know why i voted for him, but can i ask what brought about your vote for Lathum

Sure, there were three people voting for NTN at the time. Once I decided to you two on not voting for ntndeacon I looked at the people voting for NTN. I didn't want to vote for the new player on Day 1. And I had put Cronin in a crappy spot in the last game so I didn't want to push him on Day 1 in this game. Meta reasons, but they led me to vote on Lathum.

Err - clearly gifted vision to pick out the wolf. Yeah, that's it.

<shrug> - sometimes you get lucky.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I believe this will be the first time I've ever had to pull out of a game. My wife and I just received a call from the adoption agency letting us know that there is a little girl waiting for us in Springfield (4 hours away). Completely out of the blue, which we knew could happen.

So I'm going to be out of the loop for awhile ... good luck closing out the wolves in this one.

[Richard Weed]

Also, I believe this will be the first time I've ever had to pull out of a game. My wife and I just received a call from the adoption agency letting us know that there is a little girl waiting for us in Springfield (4 hours away). Completely out of the blue, which we knew could happen.

So I'm going to be out of the loop for awhile ... good luck closing out the wolves in this one.
Congratuations! I'm adopted as well, so I know that she will be loved and cherished. We'll carry on and root out the wolves. Go ger 'er!

[ntndeacon]

Also, I believe this will be the first time I've ever had to pull out of a game. My wife and I just received a call from the adoption agency letting us know that there is a little girl waiting for us in Springfield (4 hours away). Completely out of the blue, which we knew could happen.

So I'm going to be out of the loop for awhile ... good luck closing out the wolves in this one.

congrats Hoops.

[path12]

Also, I believe this will be the first time I've ever had to pull out of a game. My wife and I just received a call from the adoption agency letting us know that there is a little girl waiting for us in Springfield (4 hours away). Completely out of the blue, which we knew could happen.

So I'm going to be out of the loop for awhile ... good luck closing out the wolves in this one.

Woo-hoo! Congrats!

[path12]

Huh. I just read back through and don't see what Saldana saw. Good result though.

[saldana]

Huh. I just read back through and don't see what Saldana saw. Good result though.


i guess hoops and i didnt have the same thing...i will be more than happy to point it out after the game.

[Alan T]

After Lathum's death, there seems to be a little more of an upbeat feeling among the group. Others were excited that one of the werewolves were killed and hope that the remainder might be found soon as well. Some random conversations take place until the first signs of weariness start to appear. Finally each of you find some random part of the room to sleep in, swearing that you don't intend to sleep in a crazy place like this.

As time passes however, sleep can not be overcome and the majority of the room eventually does fall asleep. The morning comes without incident however, as all of you appear to be completely intact and perhaps nothing sinister happened during the night.... or did it?

Wednesday day deadline is 9:00pm EDT. Everyone must vote on one player to kill today in hopes of finding a wolf that is keeping you captive here. Failure to vote will bring possible penalties!

[DaddyTorgo]

that makes me think maybe we had a conversion last night?

or...and here's a scary though...what if by "wacky rules" there's something going on where the level of wolves will remain constant or something? so 1 dying=1 automatic conversion or something like that?

[Alan T]

Michael1123 has signed up to replace Hoopsguy in this game. I will be sending him the same PM that hoopsguy received previously. Please welcome him to the game! Also congrats again Hoops on the great news, best wishes!

[brxnivy]

ok, i will be out most of the day due to a death in the family and may not check back in before the deadline. Since there are possible penalties if i don't vote, i'm going to vote for the guy who voted for me on day 1 because I was the new guy. He didn't have a good reason, so I don't have one either (and because I have no suspects as to who may be the wolf)

vote Chief Rum

[michael1123]

This is my first time playing, so be gentle!

Congrats on the adoption.

[path12]

Welcome, michael. Are you a wolf?

[path12]

ok, i will be out most of the day due to a death in the family and may not check back in before the deadline. Since there are possible penalties if i don't vote, i'm going to vote for the guy who voted for me on day 1 because I was the new guy. He didn't have a good reason, so I don't have one either (and because I have no suspects as to who may be the wolf)

vote Chief Rum

Condolences on your loss.

[path12]

BTW hoops, pix plz k thx.

[st.cronin]

Vote ImTheCrew

Voting for the guy that didn't vote.

[path12]

OK, we've got a lynched wolf and no kill, so either blocked or a conversion/attempt.

Elevated trust for the Lathum voters, especially Saldana. Ntn gets a little less credit for the vote because of the self-preservation angle so stays neutral in my book. So my current list:

Elevated trust: Saldana
Slight trust: cronin, michael(hoops)
No read: everyone else.

Any night stories?

[saldana]

OK, we've got a lynched wolf and no kill, so either blocked or a conversion/attempt.

Elevated trust for the Lathum voters, especially Saldana. Ntn gets a little less credit for the vote because of the self-preservation angle so stays neutral in my book. So my current list:

Elevated trust: Saldana
Slight trust: cronin, michael(hoops)
No read: everyone else.

Any night stories?

here is my list Path

elevated trust: Michael/hoops, ntn, path
medium trust: cronin
no read: everyone execpt ITC, who hasnt done enough to even have no read on.

and since you asked, do YOU have any night stories?

[path12]

and since you asked, do YOU have any night stories?

You probably just answered my question. Does that answer yours?

[saldana]

You probably just answered my question. Does that answer yours?

yup

[hoopsguy]

This is my first time playing, so be gentle!

Congrats on the adoption.

Thanks! I appreciate you pinch-hitting. Hope you have fun with this and that I have the opportunity to play one of these games along with you sometime soon.

[DaddyTorgo]

been real busy at work today. couple deadlines for things.

will participate when i arrive home, or on the train home if watching LOTR on my IPOD becomes aggrivating (not likely though)

[DaddyTorgo]

good god. practically no posts all day! guess i didn't miss out on much!

[path12]

I know I defended him yesterday but he hasn't said anything so I'll go with Cronin.

VOTE IMTHECREW

[michael1123]

Been reading the Jack the Ripper one to get a feel for the game. Obviously that one was a lot bigger and more complex (moving around and such), but pretty fascinating.

Giving this one a good look now to see if I have any first impressions.

[michael1123]

Ok, this is very subject to change but for now I'm going to say brxnivy since he was the 3rd vote on ntn.

VOTE BRXNIVY

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE IMTHECREW

didn't vote yesterday, hasn't been around today. Subject to change if he shows up and says something, but nowhere better to go.

[ntndeacon]

There are 2 folks that stick out in my head as possibly menacing. For one of them ihave a fairly logical reasoning. the other is more a feeling than anything else. the reasoning part of my head wants to look closer at Brxnivy for his late vote on me. I had figured that one of the three on me was a werewolf at least. Could there be two? I don't know. Brxnivy is a newcomer here but has claimed to play elsewhere, so knows something about general strategy in this game.

The one who is a more instinct than reasoning is Chief Rum. I can't say it is his early vote, as I know his schedule is such that he has to vote early or not at all usually. (I think that is right.) Even so, I get an eerie feeling from him.

[path12]

I'm out again until after deadline. Tomorrow will be better.

[Alan T]

2 hours till deadline. Current vote totals:

(3) Imthecrew - St.Cronin (140), path12 (148), Daddytorgo (151)
(1) Chief Rum - Brxnivy (135)
(1) Brxnivy - Michael1123 (150)

[ntndeacon]

I am gone for a while too so I will get my vote in.

Vote Brxnivy

[saldana]

i am sure ITC has good intentions, but i dont understand why he signs up if he cant actually play.

VOTE IMTHECREW

[Chief Rum]

He can actually play. H ejust chooses to play in the other four games he is in (from what I understand). Oh well...

Well, it's beena dull day here. Whoever knows what's going on is keeping their mouths shut, and I don't know crap.

I figure a vote for ImTheCrew is as good as any right now, although if someone came out with a convincing argument for someone, I would certainly listen.

VOTE IMTHE CREW

[Alan T]

Results will be delayed about 15-30 min tonight.

[saldana]

Results will be delayed about 15-30 min tonight.

what a bunch of crap ;) :D

[Alan T]

what a bunch of crap ;) :D

Sorry fussy baby tonight. Posting results in a sec

[Alan T]

(5) Imthecrew - St.Cronin (140), path12 (148), Daddytorgo (151), saldana (156), chief rum (157)
(1) Chief Rum - Brxnivy (135)
(2) Brxnivy - Michael1123 (150), ntndeacon (155)

[Alan T]

The day begins slowly without much conversation. Many of you wonder what the wolves are waiting for. You seemingly are trapped at their mercy yet they don't come after you. Are you just being toyed with? Or is there some other reason why they have not come after you yet?

After half the day passes finally St.cronin speaks up, pointing at Imthecrew, "Hey he hasn't even moved today... Lets kill him!" Shortly afterwards, several others nodded their approval and jumped aboard the idea. FInally Daddytorgo walks over to his stationary body and picks up a nearby knife from a table. With one thrust, he pushes it deep into Imthecrew's back.

Not even a flinch from Imthecrew's body leaves you puzzled. one or two latecomers kick at him, but he just lays there. Finally someone rolls him over and looks through his wallet. With a sigh its announced, "His name is Ralph and he was from Texas evidentally... Looks like we messed up boys..."

"Wait just a minute!" comes a cry from another man looking him over closer.. Pointing at his neck, you see he is motioning you to look at the two bite marks in his neck as well as heavy bruising and infected cut, "They got to him already, he was one of them!" THe mood in the room is very upbeat as you now wonder if you are close to finding the last of them.

Imthecrew has been killed, he was a wolf.

Night 2 begins now. Deadline is Thursday morning 9:00am EDT

[DaddyTorgo]

wait a second...what if wolves and villagers are reversed in this game? with two wolves dead and one more out there, that's the only conclusion I think I can draw...

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

at least one more out there obviously...

[saldana]

Sorry fussy baby tonight. Posting results in a sec

i resent that...i am not fussy

[saldana]

wait a second...what if wolves and villagers are reversed in this game? with two wolves dead and one more out there, that's the only conclusion I think I can draw...

i was thinking along the same lines.

[DaddyTorgo]

so do we then look at people who came out and said they were villagers?? or at those of you who said they had linkages/reason to trust others?

[Chief Rum]

i was thinking along the same lines.

I must be dense. I'm not following. I'm not making the connection between your "reverse" theory and what your next sentence is saying.

[st.cronin]

Well, I'll just put it out there, then: I'm a wolf. I have no idea what's going on in this game, I have no night ability at all.

[st.cronin]

So I'll either get lynched tomorrow and its game over, or else DT is right.

[DaddyTorgo]

but that wouldn't make any sense because then you wouldn't have revealed a link to somone else sal

[Chief Rum]

Well, I'll just put it out there, then: I'm a wolf. I have no idea what's going on in this game, I have no night ability at all.


You confirmed what I was thinking (and what saldana suggested, although I still don't get his second sentence).

Are we all wolves? I'm a wolf, too. And I don't have the ability to initiate a kill.

My guess? There's only two or three "villagers" here, and they are the only ones with an actual kill ability.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and if this is true, that's pretty messed up Alan. :D

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin...bingo...i'm a wolf too

[st.cronin]

You confirmed what I was thinking (and what saldana suggested, although I still don't get his second sentence).

Are we all wolves? I'm a wolf, too. And I don't have the ability to initiate a kill.

My guess? There's only two or three "villagers" here, and they are the only ones with an actual kill ability.

Or maybe they don't even have a kill ability?

My guess is ntn and saldana are the villagers then.

[DaddyTorgo]

and I have no night ability. Which I found very weird for a wolf...especially after lathum was killed N1, I assumed I was the other wolf and i'd get a PM about night actions.

So do we look at sal+whoever he linked with as our targets then? maybe the night action is random and they don't get to target at all or something...so they thought they were revealing their goodness?

[DaddyTorgo]

SWEET...tell me I just figured this out. Imma be hella happy.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we may have this in the bag then, depending on how many conversion attempts they get...

[michael1123]

I'm not sure how this usually works, but do wolves usually immediately kill their targets overnight? With the way Alan's post is worded it sounds like perhaps the wolf that has the power to "kill" perhaps instead infects, and ITC was infected last night?

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not sure how this usually works, but do wolves usually immediately kill their targets overnight? With the way Alan's post is worded it sounds like perhaps the wolf that has the power to "kill" perhaps instead infects, and ITC was infected last night?

could be either way michael

[st.cronin]

my first thought is that the number of wolves is being played with. Also perhaps the seer is unable to outright say who he has viewed. I am sure our keeper in here has some interesting plans for us all. Of course, he also could have said that just to mess with our heads and make us doubt all the more.

...

[Richard Weed]

Sorry didn't vote tonight. Just got home from Albuquerque. I think that the reversal of wolves and villagers is a very interesting concept. In that sense, I'm wondering how many wolves there are. The chances of getting two wolves on the first two days of the game are ridiculous.

[DaddyTorgo]

not if you think of it as "two villagers"

then the chances would be a lot more palateable.

Cronin and I and CR have already revealed our wolfyness. So that'd make 5 wolves (including the 2 dead).

[DaddyTorgo]

and I dunno why I used the word palateable...that makes no sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

for better or worse, my votes will be on sal+ntn at this point.

[michael1123]

Well since people are sharing, I'll share that I also have no night abilities.

I'm not going to reveal at this time which side I'm on however.

With people outing themselves though, it seems like people's allegiances will be pretty clear with tomorrow's vote.

[st.cronin]

for better or worse, my votes will be on sal+ntn at this point.

ditto

[Richard Weed]

Hmmm...missed the part where we come out. I am also a wolf. I thought it was strange that I wasn't able to communicate with the other wolves. Now it makes sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

and i'd encourage our seer to scan one of the people who hasn't come out and said what side they are on tonight...to see what kind of more information we can get about people (i guess that's the smart play?)

[michael1123]

Ok, I was making sure we still had the upper hand before revealing. I'm also a wolf. With 2 dead, even if we started with the upper hand we could've been behind, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

That's 5 admitted wolves, with 9 people left which gives us the edge, and probably at least one more that hasn't admited to it yet. Next two days we knock out sal and nt.

That leaves Path12 and Ntndeacon as the unknowns, who our seer should concentrate on (assuming he was replaced after our first seer's death).

[michael1123]

Note, I think Ntndeacon is on our side from what he's posted in this thread. I'd check Path12, but who knows, it may only be Sal and Ntn that are villagers.

[DaddyTorgo]

did I miss something? our first seer died?

[brxnivy]

I am a wolf as well with no powers

[michael1123]

did I miss something? our first seer died?

1) St.Cronin
2) Lathum - Killed Day 1 - Wolf Seer
3) Daddytorgo
4) Path12
5) Ntndeacon
6) Saldana
7) Michael1123 (Replaced Hoopsguy Day2)
8) Imthecrew - Killed Day 2 - Wolf
9) Brxnivy
10) Chief Rum
11) Richard Weed

Alt) Passacaglia - if after thursday

.

[st.cronin]

I'm pretty confused. When hoops made this post:

Cronin, I'm trying to keep an open mind to the different rules promised by our moderator. Those two are giving us information to work with. We have enough people in the game that I would rather take my shots at people who are playing their cards close to the vest than people who are giving information.

I find it highly unlikely that they are both enemies - that seems like a big-time losing play to execute on Day 1.

... I thought he had the same suspicion I did about the rules. But then Lathum turned up a wolf, and I wasn't as confident.

Then there's this sequence of posts, which I'm curious about:

Any night stories?

since you asked, do YOU have any night stories?

You probably just answered my question. Does that answer yours?

yup

Add all that to the no night kill... and, well, I'm stumped.

[path12]

Just got home. Interesting. I may have something to share tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Another day gone, another wolf lynched. Its a sight to bring additional hope to those of you imprisoned here. After Imthecrew's death some talking is done and finally many of you realize that you had more similarities with Imthecrew than you had realized. A bit puzzled tonight, everyone finds some place to try to get some rest.

While its not a deep sleep, its enough to get you enough energy to survive the next day, and you all wake once again. Nothing at all appeared to have happened once again last night. Everyone is here and accounted for.... Could it be that there really isn't anyone left to be cursed from the party a few nights before?

Day 3 has started. Votes are due by 9:00pm EDT. Everyone must vote or risk certain penalties!

[Richard Weed]

VOTE SALDANA

Easy choice here. I wonder if the Villagers are able to "cure" us?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SALDANA

that's an interesting idea dickweed. something along those lines possibly...which is maybe why sal+ntn didn't catch on that they were the "bad" guys? cuz that seems relatively benign.

[Richard Weed]

Somehow, I don't think they were in the dark as much as we were. The way they were communicating, I think they knew.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaah. thanks mike. i forgot to look back to page 1 and see if either of them had a role.

waiting to see if anyone has anything to share about last night...

[DaddyTorgo]

Somehow, I don't think they were in the dark as much as we were. The way they were communicating, I think they knew.


could be. and maybe they were just trying to pass it off as something else. i guess we have to hope for a BG block too, so that after we lynch tonight ntn doesn't just replace sal...

to that end, i urge the BG to keep yourself secret...keep yourself safe. (i think that's the best way to play it, versus having them reveal and then that making them more of a target or subject to craziness, hmm?)

[st.cronin]

vote Saldana

[st.cronin]

still waiting to hear from path...

[brxnivy]

this game has me all confused, I'm going to vote now but am going to follow closely today to see if I need to change my vote

VOTE SALDANA

[path12]

still waiting to hear from path...

I'm a wolf. I do have a night action. I did not learn anything from it last night. How's that?

[st.cronin]

Then I guess I'm waiting to hear from saldana.

[path12]

Then I guess I'm waiting to hear from saldana.

I don't want to get into a lot of detail about night actions yet, suffice it to say that the exchange you quoted was (I believe) Saldana and I acknowledging that both of us were awake and saw each other that night. I have no idea as to his alliegance or anything like that.

[path12]

Dola, I do not believe that he was awake last night though.

[st.cronin]

so you think he was lying?

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't want to get into a lot of detail about night actions yet, suffice it to say that the exchange you quoted was (I believe) Saldana and I acknowledging that both of us were awake and saw each other that night. I have no idea as to his alliegance or anything like that.

plz dont

really waiting to hear from sal.

heh...this is a hell of a game for the new guys to cut their teeth on. all twisted-around

[path12]

so you think he was lying?

I have no reason to think so.

[michael1123]

Somehow, I don't think they were in the dark as much as we were. The way they were communicating, I think they knew.

Don't think so, because vouching for each other ended up making it clear to us that they were villagers. If they knew everyone (or almost everyone) else were wolves, there's no way they'd want to stand out like that.

VOTE SALDANA

[st.cronin]

Don't think so, because vouching for each other ended up making it clear to us that they were villagers. If they knew everyone (or almost everyone) else were wolves, there's no way they'd want to stand out like that.

VOTE SALDANA

I'm pretty sure he was talking about saldana and ntn. Which means, since he has said he's a wolf, that he thinks saldana and ntn are villagers. So I don't get your vote.

By the way, was hoopsguy able to put together a summary of his thoughts so far? Anything in there you can share? Because his day 1 moves puzzled me a bit, too.

[ntndeacon]

Vote path

[saldana]

vote path12

[saldana]

vote nightfall

[path12]

Wow, I was holding off to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. My bad.

VOTE SALDANA

[DaddyTorgo]

fortunately those 2 votes aren't going to mean anything...although...someone wanna look? maybe voting together is how they "convert" or something?

[Richard Weed]

Interesting voting strategy sal. I guess you're giving up. That's not like you. Maybe you're the brutal villager?

[saldana]

Interesting voting strategy sal. I guess you're giving up. That's not like you. Maybe you're the brutal villager?

i choose not to insult your collective intelligences with a poorly veiled fake reveal.....that, and no matter how hard i tried, i couldnt come up with a BS explanation for my day 1 actions that was any good:p

[michael1123]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about saldana and ntn. Which means, since he has said he's a wolf, that he thinks saldana and ntn are villagers. So I don't get your vote.

Ok, now you have me confused.

On day 1 Saldana and NTN vouched for each other not being wolves, thinking this would help them survive longer. Turns out most of us are wolves. I'm also a wolf, so of course I'm voting for one of them. How is my vote confusing?

If what I was saying in that post confused you, I was just saying that I don't think they knew they were in the minority on day 1 or they wouldn't have said what they did. They ended up unknowingly digging their graves.

By the way, was hoopsguy able to put together a summary of his thoughts so far? Anything in there you can share? Because his day 1 moves puzzled me a bit, too.

No, I just got the PM he got to start off, which was probably the same as yours.

[st.cronin]

Anybody have any idea why we haven't seen the "killer" yet?

vote nightfall

[Chief Rum]

VOTE SALDANA

Given they voted so closely with one another, I have to believe the villagers have PM abilities, as wolves would normally have. I greatly doubt they coordinate that vote without communicating (as they certainly have not been communicating here in thsi thread, at least not since Day 1).

[Chief Rum]

Anybody have any idea why we haven't seen the "killer" yet?

vote nightfall

Either there isn't one, or the killer has limitations, methinks. He obviously must not have a nightly kill option. Perhaps he can kill only in certain circumstances (when villagers/wolves down to a certain number, for instance) or maybe he can only kill once, and is saving it.

[DaddyTorgo]

imma gonna lead us to victory...i'm gonna lead us to victory

*party dance*

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry sal...tough break man. Who would have thought alan would twist it all around so much hmm?

[Alan T]

After discussion begins this morning, it does not take long before accusation after accusation start to fly at Saldana. He begins to protest, but then simply becomes resigned to his fate. He sits down and slumps over only to see one of you after another after another brutally attack him and begin to bite into him.

It does not take long before he ends up dead. One of you take a look through his belongings and find that he is yet another foreigner that has come to Europe. You notice that his neck however has the same markings as Imthecrew did... Was he one of you?

Saldana has been killed and appears to be a wolf.

Night 3 deadline is 9:00am EDT.

[michael1123]

.....?

[DaddyTorgo]

what...what the crap? sal...you could have said something ya know. Don't know if we would have listened, but you could have said something. Like maybe why you and ntn voted 1-2 for path...is it cuz you knew something we didn't? Should we be looking at path instead of ntn?

don't know why you gave up and didn't tell us anything. That's aggrivating.

[Richard Weed]

That is really strange. Then again, maybe when lynched he would appear to be a wolf, but was really a villager? That's the only explanation I can come up with and it's pretty weak.

[DaddyTorgo]

That is really strange. Then again, maybe when lynched he would appear to be a wolf, but was really a villager? That's the only explanation I can come up with and it's pretty weak.

could be. Raises suspiscion on path a little in my eyes. I guess (presuming the #'s work out, i'm too lazy to figure them out) we should go after ntn next, and then path the day after (assuming it wouldn't be game over if we were wrong on ntn I mean)

[path12]

could be. Raises suspiscion on path a little in my eyes. I guess (presuming the #'s work out, i'm too lazy to figure them out) we should go after ntn next, and then path the day after (assuming it wouldn't be game over if we were wrong on ntn I mean)

Seriously, how does this raise suspicion on me? I'm genuinely curious.

[DaddyTorgo]

Seriously, how does this raise suspicion on me? I'm genuinely curious.

the fact that both of them voted you, and then sal (apparently it seems) turned up good. it's more than there really is on anyone else...i'm not saying it's a lot, but maybe they are both good and have some sort of communication ability or something like that, or you+ntn set sal up. Not saying either of those are LIKELY in my mind right now, but they're more possible than anything else revealed by anyone else.

My vote still goes on NTN tomorrow though. Don't worry.

[path12]

If you think he's good, why then would you vote ntn? Wouldn't the fact he vouched for ntn suggest he is good also? You're arguing both sides of the fence -- (I don't know if that's an actual saying or not now that I think about it).

Anyway, it's one or the other. Sal appears good. That "appears" could mean many things in this game. I'm not quite sure I believe it yet. If he was the person I saw night 1 then I'm almost positive he's bad, especially since Lathum was apparently the seer.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I'm thrown. I don't know the best plan. Saldana's wolfishness puts the value of voting for ntndeacon way, way down. Now would be a good time for ntn to come out with what his connection with saldana was, and tell us why we shouldn't lynch him anyway.

I would do some vote analysis, but I'm short on time and out until late tomorrow night. Plus, not sure what value it would be with us figuring out halfway through that this game is WW in reverse. It leads to trouble drawing conclusions about both early and late votes, and what people knew or guessed when.

I will be out all day Friday, though, so I will have to vote now. I would love to hear more theories on how we should approach things, but I won't be around to hear them.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

path...what did you observe on night 1 making you think sal was bad??

and note, i'm not saying you are evil, just saying it gives us something to go on with you, where there's not a ton of info out there.

[michael1123]

sal...you could have said something ya know.

I just remembered something he DID say.

i choose not to insult your collective intelligences with a poorly veiled fake reveal.....that, and no matter how hard i tried, i couldnt come up with a BS explanation for my day 1 actions that was any good:p

I don't know what is up with Alan's message, but it seems like sal he thought he was a villiager.

I agree that we still go with NTN.

[Alan T]

Another evening passes and once again, like every other day you wake up with everyone joining you. Thus far, all you can tell is that you have been very successful in killing off your own. It is however another day, and what you choose to do with it is up to you!

Day 4 deadline is 9:00pm EDT

[Richard Weed]

VOTE NTNDEACON

You knew this was coming, Pete...

[st.cronin]

VOTE NTNDEACON

This has been a very strange game.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NTNDEACON

although i'm confused as to WTF is going on

[st.cronin]

vote nightfall

[michael1123]

Almost tempted to go with a no vote as we may all be werewolves, but

VOTE NTNDEACON

What does vote nightfall mean?

[st.cronin]

Nightfall means I'm not going to change my vote. If everybody votes nightfall, the gm can run the day earlier (if he chooses).

[path12]

path...what did you observe on night 1 making you think sal was bad??

and note, i'm not saying you are evil, just saying it gives us something to go on with you, where there's not a ton of info out there.

How many roles do you think we have? The three listed in the rules or do you think there may be multiple roles distributed? I'm going to say that I tend to lean towards just the three, and if so then Sal was bad and leave it at that.

So, I believe despite the appearance that Sal had evil intent against the wolves. He trusted ntn and came out that way early, likely assuming there was the normal distribution of villagers (I certainly didn't get any info in my role description that left me thinking I was one of many wolves).

VOTE NTNDEACON

[DaddyTorgo]

How many roles do you think we have? The three listed in the rules or do you think there may be multiple roles distributed? I'm going to say that I tend to lean towards just the three, and if so then Sal was bad and leave it at that.

So, I believe despite the appearance that Sal had evil intent against the wolves. He trusted ntn and came out that way early, likely assuming there was the normal distribution of villagers (I certainly didn't get any info in my role description that left me thinking I was one of many wolves).

VOTE NTNDEACON

i don't want to vote nightfall because i want to hear from ntn before his death...

[michael1123]

Well I'm going to be gone from now until past the deadline, so:

vote nightfall

And just to clear this up path, you did say you had a night event involving sal on the first night, right? Can you give us some more details on that?

[path12]

Well I'm going to be gone from now until past the deadline, so:

vote nightfall

And just to clear this up path, you did say you had a night event involving sal on the first night, right? Can you give us some more details on that?

I don't want to be too specific for obvious reasons. Let's just say that I knew somebody was awake on night 1, and based on our exchanges early yesterday I am satisfied that it was Saldana.

[ntndeacon]

Vote michael