Ricky Williams tests positive again......

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Haven't found a link yet, but ESPN radio is reporting that Ricky Williams went one toke over the line........again.

[Kodos]

What a loser.

[molson]

Who's testing him?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Who's testing him?

Pretty sure that anyone who has violated the NFL drug policy has to submit to regular testing for a period afterwards. I'm assuming he failed one of these NFL-mandated tests.

[Ksyrup]

Awesome!

[Bearcat729]

Docs recommend delay of Williams' NFL reinstatement
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams tested positive for marijuana in April and will not be allowed to apply for reinstatement to the NFL until September, sources said.


Williams

Williams was suspended last year for violation of the substance abuse policy and was eligible to be reinstated this month, but the league's medical advisors that oversee Williams' personal rehabilitation program recently notified commissioner Roger Goodell of the positive test, sources said.

The doctors also recommended that Williams not be allowed to apply for reinstatement until September, sources said. The commissioner usually adheres to the advice of the medical advisors under the substance abuse policy.

"Falling off the wagon is part of rehab," a source said. "Based on the medical evidence in Ricky's case, the doctors say it's too early to come back. He had the positive test last month. Remember, he's been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder -- that's a real disease and a good percentage of those folks self-medicate with substances like marijuana, often at the moment they are about to have a high level of social interaction."

League spokesman Greg Aiello said the NFL would have no comment, as did Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene.

David Cornwell, an attorney who has represented Williams during his substance abuse cases, said he would honor the confidentiality policies in effect with another no comment.

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2867381

[miami_fan]

Docs recommend delay of Williams' NFL reinstatement
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams tested positive for marijuana in April and will not be allowed to apply for reinstatement to the NFL until September, sources said.


Williams

Williams was suspended last year for violation of the substance abuse policy and was eligible to be reinstated this month, but the league's medical advisors that oversee Williams' personal rehabilitation program recently notified commissioner Roger Goodell of the positive test, sources said.

The doctors also recommended that Williams not be allowed to apply for reinstatement until September, sources said. The commissioner usually adheres to the advice of the medical advisors under the substance abuse policy.

"Falling off the wagon is part of rehab," a source said. "Based on the medical evidence in Ricky's case, the doctors say it's too early to come back. He had the positive test last month. Remember, he's been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder -- that's a real disease and a good percentage of those folks self-medicate with substances like marijuana, often at the moment they are about to have a high level of social interaction."

League spokesman Greg Aiello said the NFL would have no comment, as did Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene.

David Cornwell, an attorney who has represented Williams during his substance abuse cases, said he would honor the confidentiality policies in effect with another no comment. Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2867381

There are confidentiality policies in effect?

Anyways, I am not sure why the NFL was(is?) considering reinstatement for him. I guess we will see in September.

[Ksyrup]

Falling off the wagon...ha! Does anyone really think Ricky thinks marijuana is a serious drug that he can't keep under control? He's been doing that shit since he was suspended.

[Axxon]

Falling off the wagon...ha! Does anyone really think Ricky thinks marijuana is a serious drug that he can't keep under control? He's been doing that shit since he was suspended.

Well, since even the article doesn't state that I'm not sure where you're coming from. Oh yeah, laughing at a guy with a disease.

Got it. You're really one cool guy Ksyrup. I wish I could mock the ill with such gusto but I'm not as cool as you. :(

[Oilers9911]

Ricky is one the smartest athletes in Football. He is not a dumb guy. So that tells me he either doesn't care if he plays in the NFL again, or truly has a problem.

[rkmsuf]

Does it even matter now? It's not like he's even remotely going to help a team. Just hang em up and go look for Doritos.

[lighthousekeeper]

Well, since even the article doesn't state that I'm not sure where you're coming from. Oh yeah, laughing at a guy with a disease.

Got it. You're really one cool guy Ksyrup. I wish I could mock the ill with such gusto but I'm not as cool as you. :(

Ksyrup's just mad at Ricky cause Ricky was being Ricky and didn't give the kid a foul ball.

No wait, it's not about the kid - it's because Ricky's rich enough to afford a lot of pot, and yet he still continues to keep the pot for himself instead of giving it away.

[Ksyrup]

Well, since even the article doesn't state that I'm not sure where you're coming from. Oh yeah, laughing at a guy with a disease.

Got it. You're really one cool guy Ksyrup. I wish I could mock the ill with such gusto but I'm not as cool as you. :(

I don't care if the guy has a disease. If he wants to play football, guess what? He needs to find another way to deal with his issues. Until then, he can stay out of the sports news.

I'm glad to see you judge people on how cool they are. What is this, 6th grade?

[stevew]

http://www.wma.com/0/cta/comedy/comedy_connection/imgs/7.14.05/bob_saget.jpg

You got kicked out of the NFL for smoking Weed? I used to sick dick for coke.

[bryce]

Ricky's never really been on board with professional football and the atmosphere - he's admitted as much. It's a shame - he could have been one of the all-time greats - he just didn't care about that. He really is a good guy, too - I went to school with him at UT - it's just too bad he couldn't parlay his love of the college game (and his motivation during school) into the NFL.

[Draft Dodger]

Well, since even the article doesn't state that I'm not sure where you're coming from. Oh yeah, laughing at a guy with a disease.

Got it. You're really one cool guy Ksyrup. I wish I could mock the ill with such gusto but I'm not as cool as you. :(

ill? he's just a stoner.

[Axxon]

Ksyrup's just mad at Ricky cause Ricky was being Ricky and didn't give the kid a foul ball.

No wait, it's not about the kid - it's because Ricky's rich enough to afford a lot of pot, and yet he still continues to keep the pot for himself instead of giving it away.

Ricky! He hates guys named Ricky!!!!

[Axxon]

I don't care if the guy has a disease. If he wants to play football, guess what? He needs to find another way to deal with his issues. Until then, he can stay out of the sports news.

I'm glad to see you judge people on how cool they are. What is this, 6th grade?

Sorry, don't see where I judged you. I simply made an observation. I didn't state whether cool was a good or bad thing. You seem to have no problem judging people though as noted in both Ricky threads even though Ricky number one didn't even do anything remotely illegal.

[Logan]

ill? he's just a stoner.

Seriously. This disease is RAMPANT on college campuses.

[gkb]

On ESPN radio this morning they were playing a sound bite of Ricky talking about how stressful professional sports can be...of course it's only May, but maybe he was really stressed about the draft.

[NoMyths]

Methinks the words "disease" and "disorder" may be getting confused in this thread.

[molson]

Seriously. This disease is RAMPANT on college campuses.

Not everyone who smokes weed in college develops a problem with it. (just like alchohol). I realize that marijuana doesn't have the additive qualities of "harder" drugs, but it's idea that it's completely harmless is really starting to drift into American conciousness more and more, and it's totally inaccurate.

[DaddyTorgo]

are you kidding me? isn't it lifetime-ban time yet? especially with the new commissioner...

[Axxon]

ill? he's just a stoner.

Hmm, without trying too hard.

hxp://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/mental-health-social-anxiety-disorder

So, do I go with the medical professionals or some random guy on a message board?

[Axxon]

Methinks the words "disease" and "disorder" may be getting confused in this thread.

Well noted. I used the terms interchangibly which was incorrect but at least I realized it's not the marijuana use that is the disorder rather the Social Anxiety Disorder is.

[RedKingGold]

In other news, the sky is blue and the world is round.

[Mustang]

Ricky! He hates guys named Ricky!!!!

Stay away from the Ricky

OH NO!!!! MORE RICKY!!!

http://images.usatoday.com/life/gallery/lucy/ricky-ricardo.jpg

[rkmsuf]

why can't he just play high if he wants to

the fans would love it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

why can't he just play high if he wants to

the fans would love it.

Trainer: "Ricky, you need some oxygen?"

Ricky: "Naw, just give me a couple of quick doobie hits and I'll be ready to head back out for the next series."

[rkmsuf]

Ricky: "And someone get some damn sour cream and onion chips down here on the bench."

[Eaglesfan27]

Social Anxiety Disorder can be crippling even if it is called a disorder. I'm not sure if Ricky really has that or it is just an excuse for his marijuana usage since I've never been privy to his medical records. However, I agree with Axxon that it can be a very serious problem.

[Ksyrup]

Sorry, don't see where I judged you. I simply made an observation. I didn't state whether cool was a good or bad thing. You seem to have no problem judging people though as noted in both Ricky threads even though Ricky number one didn't even do anything remotely illegal.

I gave an opinion (of both Ricky/Rickey's). I wasn't saying it for a laugh or to be cool. The only joke is Ricky Williams.

You can form your opinion of the guy based on a single line in an article from a "source" (could be a Williams sympathizer) who makes an excuse for him. I'd rather take everything I've heard and read about the guy - a bunch of it straight from his own lips - and come to the conclusion that I should have no sympathy for the guy, and that whatever issue he might have is just an excuse for the fact that he enjoys getting high. That's his right, if he can get away with it legally/professionally, but then I don't want to hear shit from him about how he really wants to get back into the NFL. He has a choice, and it appears he's made that choice. Towelie wins.

[flounder]

I'll be the first to admit that Ricky Williams is an idiot. It still seems a little odd that even though he's harmed no one, he's essentially banned from the league while Leonard Little, who got drunk and killed someone, is still playing.

[rkmsuf]

Stay away from the Ricky

OH NO!!!! MORE RICKY!!!

http://images.usatoday.com/life/gallery/lucy/ricky-ricardo.jpg

Ricky Davis has been know to smoke it up as well.

[Julio Riddols]

Ricky should have played during prohibition. Thats the only problem here. He is way too much of a throwback.

[tanglewood]

I bet there are many, many more alcoholics playing in the NFL than stoners and I know which group does more damage to themselves and has the greater potential to harm others.

[MizzouRah]

I bet there are many, many more alcoholics playing in the NFL than stoners and I know which group does more damage to themselves and has the greater potential to harm others.

Yeah, but that's legal and makes companies money. I mean, if people grow their own pot, where's the money in that?

It kills me how much OMG is put out when people in the media talk about pot.

[Ksyrup]

And when alcohol is prohibited by law and by the CBA, then they'll be held accountable. Until then, they'll just be in trouble for drinking and driving or other alochol-related offenses, like normal people. And if they have a substance abuse issue involving alcohol, they'll be given treatment.

[tanglewood]

And when alcohol is prohibited by law and by the CBA, then they'll be held accountable. Until then, they'll just be in trouble for drinking and driving or other alochol-related offenses, like normal people. And if they have a substance abuse issue involving alcohol, they'll be given treatment.

Of course. It was just another vain attempt, in my own small way, to root out the absurd inconsistency in the legal system.

[tanglewood]

Ricky should have played during prohibition. Thats the only problem here. He is way too much of a throwback.

Yeah, then he could have just skipped pot and gone straight to heroin.

[Huckleberry]

Ricky does indeed have social anxiety disorder and from what I understand it's pretty severe.

However, that doesn't absolve him of his responsibilities. If it were just Ricky Williams forfeiting his own money and NFL career then I would think everyone on this thread just needs to get over it. It's his life, just because you guys never had the opportunity to play pro football doesn't mean everyone else has to want to do it. Basically most of the people that insult Ricky Williams are envious.

But that's not it. He is forfeiting his ability to fully care for and provide for his children. For that reason it's unforgiveable, IMO.

[Ksyrup]

Has nothing to do with us thinking he should "want" to play football - the guy is trying to petition to get back into the league. By doing that, he is expressing his desire to play football. That's why I have no sympathy for him. He has to choose one or the other, so I can't feel bad for him if he's trying to do both but one is impeding him from accomplishing the other.

[ThunderingHERD]

Social Anxiety Disorder can be crippling even if it is called a disorder. I'm not sure if Ricky really has that or it is just an excuse for his marijuana usage since I've never been privy to his medical records. However, I agree with Axxon that it can be a very serious problem.

I remember seeing an interview with him WELL before the drug thing in which he discussed his battle with social anxiety disorder. I really felt happy for him--he seemed to really be doing better.

[Huckleberry]

Has nothing to do with us thinking he should "want" to play football - the guy is trying to petition to get back into the league. By doing that, he is expressing his desire to play football. That's why I have no sympathy for him. He has to choose one or the other, so I can't feel bad for him if he's trying to do both but one is impeding him from accomplishing the other.

He doesn't actually want to play football. That's the part you don't understand.

He has been instructed to try and get back in the NFL because of finances.

[Axxon]

I gave an opinion (of both Ricky/Rickey's). I wasn't saying it for a laugh or to be cool. The only joke is Ricky Williams.

You can form your opinion of the guy based on a single line in an article from a "source" (could be a Williams sympathizer) who makes an excuse for him. I'd rather take everything I've heard and read about the guy - a bunch of it straight from his own lips - and come to the conclusion that I should have no sympathy for the guy, and that whatever issue he might have is just an excuse for the fact that he enjoys getting high. That's his right, if he can get away with it legally/professionally, but then I don't want to hear shit from him about how he really wants to get back into the NFL. He has a choice, and it appears he's made that choice. Towelie wins.

Ahh, see, every thing I've ever read about Ricky pretty much states that he has this disorder. I choose to defer any personal opinion about it to the doctors that he sees both in the NFL treatment program and his personal doctors. I don't feel qualified to offer a contradictory diagnosis with the little information and training I have.

Eaglesfan27 has the training but little information so he basically won't make that judgement call either. You either have quite a bit of psychological training and personal knowledge of Ricky's case or you're simply acting like a blowhard who can second guess the conclusions the mental health professionals who have that information have concluded.

I don't know you well enough to know if it's the former or the latter so don't accuse me of judging here. I don't have enough information to do that even though I certainly know how it appears from the information I do have.

See how easy that is? :)

[Ksyrup]

Ahh, see, every thing I've ever read about Ricky pretty much states that he has this disorder. I choose to defer any personal opinion about it to the doctors that he sees both in the NFL treatment program and his personal doctors. I don't feel qualified to offer a contradictory diagnosis with the little information and training I have.

Eaglesfan27 has the training but little information so he basically won't make that judgement call either. You either have quite a bit of psychological training and personal knowledge of Ricky's case or you're simply acting like a blowhard who can second guess the conclusions the mental health professionals who have that information have concluded.

I don't know you well enough to know if it's the former or the latter so don't accuse me of judging here. I don't have enough information to do that even though I certainly know how it appears from the information I do have.

See how easy that is? :)

How can you defer your own opinion to someone else? :confused:

I'm not offering any diagnosis whatsoever and I'm not second-guessing any professionals. This has nothing to do with his disorder! I don't care if he has a disorder. That's what you don't understand. HE - not his doctors, not me, not you - has made it perfectly clear why he uses marijuana. But really, I don't care what his reason is. I'm simply pointing out that if he wants to play football, he can't use the stuff - whether or not it helps him with any disorder he may have. His condition is of no interest or concern to me and has nothing to do with my opinion, which I'm perfectly capable of stating without having reviewed his medical records in detail, because they don't matter.

Now, given his comments to Dan Patrick around the exact time he tested positive (April 6th), if you want to tell me he is also a pathological liar for which he is getting treatment (for which marijuana probably won't help), then maybe I'll consider that in trying to decide whether to believe how he, in his own words, has described why he uses marijuana.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, then he could have just skipped pot and gone straight to heroin.

I don't think he could play well on Heroin. Crack, though.. If crack was legal, no one would be able to tackle anyone. :p

[Desnudo]

Is there a bookie somewhere you can lay money with on stuff like this?

[rkmsuf]

How can you defer your own opinion to someone else?

lol

[Axxon]

How can you defer your own opinion to someone else? :confused:

I'm not offering any diagnosis whatsoever and I'm not second-guessing any professionals. This has nothing to do with his disorder! I don't care if he has a disorder. That's what you don't understand. HE - not his doctors, not me, not you - has made it perfectly clear why he uses marijuana. But really, I don't care what his reason is. I'm simply pointing out that if he wants to play football, he can't use the stuff - whether or not it helps him with any disorder he may have. His condition is of no interest or concern to me and has nothing to do with my opinion, which I'm perfectly capable of stating without having reviewed his medical records in detail, because they don't matter.

Now, given his comments to Dan Patrick around the exact time he tested positive (April 6th), if you want to tell me he is also a pathological liar for which he is getting treatment (for which marijuana probably won't help), then maybe I'll consider that in trying to decide whether to believe how he, in his own words, has described why he uses marijuana.

What works for me is to say "I defer from having an opinion about something that I neither have the training nor the knowledge to form an informed opinion about."

That really is a personal thing. I don't like to form opinions without having some basis for them. I personally don't like to just guess.

Now, really, I'm quite sure that it happens but when I do it, I try to take a step back and reevaluate my hastily formed opinion.

Now, it didn't appear that what you are doing is
"I'm simply pointing out that if he wants to play football, he can't use the stuff - whether or not it helps him with any disorder he may have" because I happen to believe that as well.

You said

Falling off the wagon...ha! Does anyone really think Ricky thinks marijuana is a serious drug that he can't keep under control? He's been doing that shit since he was suspended.

I don't see anything about playing football or anything related to anything but your not accepting that he has a problem that he wrongly chooses to self medicate. You seem to be saying that you don't believe that his marijuana use has anything to do with his disorder and I pointed out that I've never heard one credible source stating that you may even remotely correct.

If he wants to play in the NFL he is not helping himself but you know what? I pretty much have the opinion that if you have a disorder like this ( and I've worked in an ER and seen what things like this do to people ) then playing in the NFL is the least of his problems but know what? If he's getting rehabilitation treatment precisely because of that want ( which is in question ) then that's a pretty damned good thing and I'm not going to do a victory dance because a troubled soul had a relapse. That's damned cold and bitter.

Not as bad as hating a guy for liking the profession he used to be a part of but still, pretty unsavory.

[Ksyrup]

I don't see anything about playing football or anything related to anything but your not accepting that he has a problem that he wrongly chooses to self medicate. You seem to be saying that you don't believe that his marijuana use has anything to do with his disorder and I pointed out that I've never heard one credible source stating that you may even remotely correct.

My credible source is Ricky Williams.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Seeing how Ricky used to give media interviews while wearing his helmet (with visor), this could be considered evidence of some sort of disorder.

And not to hijack this thread, but as with the difference between alcohol and weed in term of legality; Chris Rock had it right. Alcohol is "all right . . . 'cause it's all white."

[Axxon]

My credible source is Ricky Williams.

Bullshit.

[Ksyrup]

Bullshit.

Fine. I have no interest in getting you any more riled up than you obviously are.

[Axxon]

Fine. I have no interest in getting you any more riled up than you obviously are.

ANOTHER OPINION WITH NO CREDIBLE SOURCE!!:D

[Axxon]

Fine. I have no interest in getting you any more riled up than you obviously are.

Maybe I misspoke. I should have said "eskimo."

What do you read into that. ;)

[Axxon]

Where/When? You're so full of shit. You have absolutely nothing to support your position on this and are really showing yourself to be a classless punk hiding behind a keyboard.

Wow, and he thought I was riled up. ;)

[Pumpy Tudors]

The hell is this? "Bash Ksyrup Week"?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Where/When? You're so full of shit. You have absolutely nothing to support your position on this and are really showing yourself to be a classless punk hiding behind a keyboard.
Dola

YOU HEARD THE MAN, KSYRUP! COME OUT FROM BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD AND FIGHT LIKE A MAN!!!

[Axxon]

The hell is this? "Bash Ksyrup Week"?

More like defend guys named Ricky week.

[dawgfan]

It's real easy from the perspective of the average Joe to look at Ricky Williams and say "he's just an unrepentant pot-head" and dismiss any talk of "social anxiety disorder" as just bullshit excuse-making. But as Vinatieri points out, it's not like there isn't some supporting evidence that Williams does indeed have a disorder, and one that would encourage the use of marijuana to self-medicate.

There also seems to be a large number of people taking the perspective that Williams owes professional football a 100% commitment to not waste his talent, when it seems clear from interviews that he's not very happy with it as a job - he seems pretty clearly to be playing only to pay off his debt to the Dolphins.

I'm not going to judge him without really knowing him. From what I've read, I tend to be somewhat sympathetic to him, but then again I don't have a big problem with recreational marijuana use or the idea that he finds other things in life much more personally rewarding than playing football in the NFL.

[Eaglesfan27]

That is the problem I have with Ricky's stance. I hate that his camp is spinning his marijuana usage as a consequence of his Social Anxiety Disorder. The fact is that marijuana produces a termporary relaxation in these patients, but a worse rebound effect. It is not an effective means to treat Social Anxiety Disorder and his camp with their spin is implying that marijuana is an effective treatment to some people suffering with the disorder. However, a SSRI and a good cognitive behavioral therapist can effectively treat the vast majority of patients. With Ricky's financial resources, I'm sure he has access to both a good therapist and psychiatrist if he wants it.

[Axxon]

That is the problem I have with Ricky's stance. I hate that his camp is spinning his marijuana usage as a consequence of his Social Anxiety Disorder. The fact is that marijuana produces a termporary relaxation in these patients, but a worse rebound effect. It is not an effective means to treat Social Anxiety Disorder and his camp with their spin is implying that marijuana is an effective treatment to some people suffering with the disorder. However, a SSRI and a good cognitive behavioral therapist can effectively treat the vast majority of patients. With Ricky's financial resources, I'm sure he has access to both a good therapist and psychiatrist if he wants it.

I agree which is why I never defended his marijuana use. I do think it's a symptom of his condition though. If people with disorders always acted rationally or in their best interests there would be no point in calling it a disorder right?

The bad part is that he's truly stuck since most people trivialize anything that they don't experience so therefore he must be lying.

Well, the dolphins are sticking him in a situation that will make his disorder worse, he gets great anxiety and he relapses. He doesn't want to play; he has no choice but to try to.

But hey, it's a lot easier to mock him I guess.

[Glengoyne]

I'm thinking that disorder or no disorder, Ricky lacks any sense of responsibility to even himself. There are better ways to treat the condition that he might very well have than to toke up, but toking up has other benefits that Ricky craves. The disease/disorder bit is just a sham smokescreen for him to hide behind.

[st.cronin]

Its not easy to understand the reality behind this, but its a pretty pathetic situation.

[Rizon]

In other news, the sky is blue and the world is round.

And Lance Bass is gay.

[IMetTrentGreen]

sounds to me like a guy who found a way to retire without having to pay anything back.

[Icy]

I think he is not being fair at all. You don't want to play football? fine, it's your choice, you are not forced to do it, just return all the money that you got paid and you don't deserve because you didn't honour your contract and then go away to do whatever you want to do with your life.

[Icy]

Oops, double post, the board is so slow for me and timming out from time to time.