Alright Boyz!!! NHL 08 impressions!!!!!

[MizzouRah]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/794/794764p1.html

Damn I'm so excited! They are focusing on skating and this time the game will be 60 fps!!

The screenshots look excellent to boot!

My favorite sports console game gets even better. :)

[Anthony]

but the game doesn't look like that. those aren't actual game shots from the video game. when you play it'll never look like that. those pics mean nothing. obviously they look cool, but for practical purposes they're worthless.

[MizzouRah]

but the game doesn't look like that. those aren't actual game shots from the video game. when you play it'll never look like that. those pics mean nothing. obviously they look cool, but for practical purposes they're worthless.

I'll respectfully disagree... I have NHL 07 and the game looks just like the pictures did in the preview last year. It's really a beautiful game.

Looks to me like they polished the game this time around.

Of course I do have a 24" LCD, Vga cables and the 360 set to 1920x1080.

[Anthony]

i understand the graphics are top notch. just that those angles shown in the link are not from an actual game where you're controlling the players. if anything maybe it's a replay but the game never really looks like that. it'd be cool if it was possible though.

[Maple Leafs]

Maple Leafs' Theorem of Video Game Hockey Marketing states that any attempt to impress me with how "realistic" a game is will always contain at least one screenshot that demonstrates that the people doing the marketing have no idea about hockey. Like a shot of two guys fighting who never fight, or some guy scoring a wraparound goal with a slapshot, etc.

Hey, is that a shot of Marion Gaborik throwing a crushing hit on Brendan Witt? Nice!

[MizzouRah]

i understand the graphics are top notch. just that those angles shown in the link are not from an actual game where you're controlling the players. if anything maybe it's a replay but the game never really looks like that. it'd be cool if it was possible though.

Yeah, I know they do spice them up at times, but I do think most next gen screenies are close to the real thing. I don't play with that close of a camera, but I can watch a replay and see similar screen shots.

[MizzouRah]

http://www.5w-g.com/?p=259 (http://www.5w-g.com/?p=259)

Mark my words, "sports game of the year".

[bronconick]

Tell them to call me when there's a slider to adjust the goalie skill. Idiots.

[MizzouRah]

Tell them to call me when there's a slider to adjust the goalie skill. Idiots.

I hate f'n sliders.

[Fidatelo]

I also hate sliders.

"We couldn't figure out how to properly balance the game, so we decided to just let the customers have a go and tell them its an added feature."

[MizzouRah]

I also hate sliders.

"We couldn't figure out how to properly balance the game, so we decided to just let the customers have a go and tell them its an added feature."

Yup, pretty much the standard nowdays. Believe it or not, there are games that still play fine on defaults - see NHL 07 and APF 2k8. I've been playing NCAA 08 on defaults (AA) as well and so far, it's been fine.

[Maple Leafs]

I hate sliders, and I want a goaltending slider because I don't trust EA to get it right.

[Balldog]

Of course I do have a 24" LCD, Vga cables and the 360 set to 1920x1080.

Are VGA Cables better than the cable that comes with the 360?

[Eaglesfan27]

Todd, I know part of why you love NHL 2007 is the control scheme. 2ksports has announced that NHL 2k8 will also have controls mapped to the right stick including dekes, passing, and shooting. It should be interesting to see how the 2 games compare.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Todd, I know part of why you love NHL 2007 is the control scheme. 2ksports has announced that NHL 2k8 will also have controls mapped to the right stick including dekes, passing, and shooting. It should be interesting to see how the 2 games compare.

FYI.....Bill Abner is going to be meeting with 2K Sports for a NHL 2K8 Q&A session. He's taking question submissions for those that want to know something specific.....

http://sportsgamer.blogspot.com/2007/08/nhl-2k8-interview-submit-your-questions.html

[bronconick]

I hate sliders, and I want a goaltending slider because I don't trust EA to get it right.


Bingo. My goalie (and theirs) would just occasionally stand there while a non-deflected unscreened slapshot from the blueline went in. Granted, it happened once with Osgood and Cloutier, but every game?

[Carman Bulldog]

It does sound decent. Is it safe to assume that Staal will be bumped off the cover now after his recent fiasco?

[MizzouRah]

Are VGA Cables better than the cable that comes with the 360?

I don't believe the cables that come with the X360 are capable of 1080p, but I could be wrong. Doesn't matter all that much as I'm not sure there are any games that output that signal yet.

There is a comparison over at gamespot on the different cables if you do a search.

[MizzouRah]

Todd, I know part of why you love NHL 2007 is the control scheme. 2ksports has announced that NHL 2k8 will also have controls mapped to the right stick including dekes, passing, and shooting. It should be interesting to see how the 2 games compare.

Yes, but I also love the "no speed" burst scheme in NHL 07, not sure if 2k sports is taking that out as well or not.

I am excited to see what 2k sports can do this year as I love how their sports games has so much immersion.

It's just hard to believe with EA having another year to really perfect their control scheme how 2k sports will attempt to close the gap.

[rowech]

Yes, but I also love the "no speed" burst scheme in NHL 07, not sure if 2k sports is taking that out as well or not.

I am excited to see what 2k sports can do this year as I love how their sports games has so much immersion.

It's just hard to believe with EA having another year to really perfect their control scheme how 2k sports will attempt to close the gap.

I'm hoping that's the case as I got $36 worth of trade-in for Forza 2 if I put it all on a pre-order game. Took a chance on NHL '08.

[MizzouRah]

http://blogs.ign.com/EANHL08/2007/08/23/64254/


NHL 08 Producers Blog - Dynasty Mode

Hi Everybody,

My name is Andy Agostini and I am one of the producers on NHL 08. I am responsible for Dynasty Mode and I will be telling you a bit about the new features and what to look for in Dynasty Mode this year.

AHL:

This year we have added the American Hockey League to dynasty mode. The AHL is the top minor league to the NHL. All 29 teams including the Rockford IceHogs, Lake Erie Monsters and the Quad City Flames will be in the game and all will be affiliated with their proper NHL parent club.

My favorite part of this feature is that you have the ability to run both your NHL and AHL teams and play with both. Having the ability to play each and every game on the AHL team’s schedule lets you test out your prospects and see if they are ready for the NHL. Playing well with your AHL team is very important to your player’s growth as they earn more experience when winning the Calder Cup then they would if they do not make the AHL playoffs. With player development becoming a very important part of the NHL due to the salary cap, we wanted to bring this important aspect of hockey into NHL 08. Having the ability to bring players up and down from the minors to replace injured players and give players a chance to win a job by actually seeing their on ice performance is awesome.

With the AHL license we have also gotten the Professional Hockey Players Association license. This lets us have the AHL players who have not yet played in the NHL in our game. I want to clear up some misconceptions we have been seeing on the message boards about which players will be in the game from the AHL. We have the ability to have in our game any player who is on a professional contract in the AHL that has signed a waiver to be used in our video game. So players such as Marc Staal and Carey Price who were not on professional contracts (they played in Canadian Major Junior Hockey last year) but did play with an AHL team will not be in our game when we ship. As soon as these players’ sign a pro contract and provide a signed waiver form we will be putting them in the game. We are just as excited as you guys are to see these great young players in our game.

The AHL will also be going to the new RBK Edge uniform system and we will have these jerseys in our game. They will be available with a code which we will provide when the game ships in September.

One of the most interesting parts of the AHL during our development was the implementation of NHL teams sharing an AHL affiliate which only two teams, Buffalo and Florida, do with the Rochester Americans. For the sake of fun we have arranged it so that you the user who plays with one of these two teams will take over the AHL affiliate fully and the other NHL team will find another team to share in the AHL. The players who leave the franchise will be replaced by free agents that the AHL GM will sign to make sure he has a roster that can play games. As you sign free agents to be affiliated with your team free agents will be released. This is similar to the way the AHL works currently with the AHL GM filling in his roster if there aren’t enough prospects assigned to their team.

Scouting:

This year we have revamped our scouting, you will be able to assign their scout to one of 5 areas of the world and what level of prospects is he will scout while there. These prospects have a projected round in which Scouting Central projects them to be taken in the upcoming Entry Draft.

Each team will be assigned a scout with different levels of expertise in these 5 regions with a rating of 1-10. If the scout goes to a region which he is rated a 10 he will be able to provide information faster and more accurately then if he had a 5 as his rating.

This information will be given to a user as a number between 5 to 10 for each attribute and if the scout hasn’t provided any information on this it will show a question mark.

To change where the scout is assigned to, go to the Scouting Assignment screen and change his location and what level of prospect you want him to scout. When you leave this screen your scout will head off to the next region and report back with information on those prospects.

If a user hasn’t scouted a player he will still have a scouting Central list that is updated during the season letting him know where the NHL has ranked each of the prospects just like the real life NHL Central Scouting provides to the NHL teams.

Free Agency:

In the past the free agency model used by the NHL franchise was quite simple. Talk to a player and keep offering him contracts until he signs or he doesn’t want to talk to you anymore. This is no longer the case. After two years of the salary cap world in the NHL we wanted to build an authentic model in which players had as much input into where they would like to play as the owners.

With this in mind the players have a few things they look at when determining if they would be interested in playing for a team.

Things such as how good a team is, how much competition is there for a job on the team and the average age of the team plays into the players decision. He will also consider what stage of his career he is in to see if he wants to play for a contender or a rebuilding franchise.

The new bidding system allows the CPU to compete with the user in signing players to their franchise. So unless you are willing to overpay for a player by a large amount the player is aware of who is offering him a contract and will take that into account and make a decision based on all the factors he cares about. The players are pretty smart and take their time to make the right decision for themselves. When you put in a bid the player will usually make his decision within a few days giving himself more time to have the bidding go up.

This adds a new dimension to free agency as all teams are trying to improve themselves at the same time.

Ratings:

Ratings are always one of the biggest talking points of any sports game due to the passion that the fans have about their favorite players in the game.

This year we had our NHL and AHL ratings done by a hockey analyst who has done pro scouting and junior scouting for NHL teams as well as scouts in Sweden and Finland doing the Elitserien and SM-Liiga ratings.

Trying to be as authentic as possible we added new ratings to the players this year. Ratings such as Defensive Awareness which determines how hard players back check or try to get back into the play this is where you will see the difference in a Rod Brind’Amour and a Todd Bertuzzi. While goalies got Vision which is the goalies ability to see thru screens which is extremely important this year with the addition of deflection and tipins as traffic around the net is much more evident than in last year’s game.

Players received the following ratings:

Offensive Awareness
Defensive Awareness
Shot Blocking
Deflections

Goalies received the following ratings:

Vision
Puck Playing Frequency
Angles

The new rating that we added to both Players and Goalies is the Poise rating. This rating is how poised this player in pressure situations. Examples of great poise players are Martin Brodeur and Joe Sakic. These players have taken their teams to the Stanley Cup and consistently shown the ability to step it up in big games. You will notice the difference between an AHL player with little NHL experience and a player who has been around the NHL for a while. Poise is a factor with the Overall rating as a player with high poise will still have a bit of a higher OV as it shows the intangibles they can bring to their team. On the other hand great young players like Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin might have slightly lower overalls because they haven’t proven themselves in the playoffs yet. Now the difference won’t be drastic, just enough to know that the great players have something more to them.

Another interesting thing about the ratings this year is that the Overall can be deceiving as each rating is extremely important in terms of gameplay. Players like Maxim Afinogenov might not be the highest rated OV players but their offensive game is top notch with great speed and deking ability as well as offensive awareness. So looking at a player’s makeup in all their ratings definitely helps you determine what role the player will be best at in your game plan.

With the AHL in the game this year people will notice some of the AHL players rated higher than some NHL’ers in the game. This is true in that the only thing holding some of these players back are a weakness in one area of their game or their physical size. We have noticed some players dominate in the AHL and then as soon as we bring them up to the NHL they get manhandled or their weaknesses stand out a lot more. True to real life and a lot of fun to see.

To list a few more of the improvements:

- The Player Progression bug has been fixed.

- Some injuries are playable at the risk of slowing down the player’s healthy return.

-When you make the play-offs, look for the sea of red in Calgary [and there are others too].

- Ever wanted to see a franchise player like a Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin show up in a draft? We have added that into this year’s game. Look out for the franchise player during your scouting.

- Don’t like what your goalie is wearing for pads? Change it and then color them to any color scheme you want. You can edit player’s equipment during dynasty mode. Ratings can only be edited outside of Dynasty. I wouldn’t want you guys cheating.


Hope you liked getting the scoop on some of the new features and improvements we made to dynasty. Good luck winning the Stanley Cup or the Calder Cup!

Thanks,

Andy

[gstelmack]

Does he actually mean it when he says it is important to play out your AHL games to develop your players? So a season will take twice as long to get through?

[MizzouRah]

Does he actually mean it when he says it is important to play out your AHL games to develop your players? So a season will take twice as long to get through?

I know I won't be playing but a game here and there, to check out the players and what not.

I think he means, the more games you do play with your AHL team, the better you will be at picking out the better talent. Although he also says when you bring players up to replace injured players, you'll obviously be able to judge them where it counts, the NHL.

That's how I did it last year with the reserve roster.

[TroyF]

I know you loved NHL '07 Todd. I thought it was far worse than 2K's version, control scheme be damned.

I love sliders, so we disagree on that one too.

I thought EA's game had far better controls last year, I just hated the AI. I felt like I was watching a series of five year old defenseman skating around. I'm making no prejudgements this year. I'll read the reviews, take everyone's thoughts and make a decision.

The great thing about this is that with the NBA and NHL we actually have competition. I wish the NFL and MLB were the same.

[TurnerONU22]

I am excited for the online leagues this year, I will plunk down the money to get Live if we can get a FOFC league going (and I can be the Jackets).

[Maple Leafs]

I get nervous just about every time EA does a new feature like the "Poise" rating. It's a cool idea, like most of their new features, but at this point I just assume that they'll overdo it to the point that it's annoying, and then work it down to something usable over the next few releases.

I can just picture players shooting pucks into the stands and goalies giving up 15 goals in a playoff game because they don't have a good "poise" rating.

[Icy]

I want to get an nhl and nba game this year for sure but still undediced between 2k and EA versions for both games. Will probably wait a couple of weeks to see how important are the bugs on each one, as both promisse a lot, but for sure both will have some stupid franchise killing bugs.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I want to get an nhl and nba game this year for sure but still undediced between 2k and EA versions for both games. Will probably wait a couple of weeks to see how important are the bugs on each one, as both promisse a lot, but for sure both will have some stupid franchise killing bugs.
NBA Live has been terrible for several years now. I think you should go with 2K's NBA game for sure. As far as NHL, it really comes down to personal preference. I have both of the NHL games from last year, and I have no idea which one I liked more. They were both decent to me, but I didn't really love either. Picking an NHL game would be a much tougher decision than picking an NBA game.

[Icy]

NBA Live has been terrible for several years now. I think you should go with 2K's NBA game for sure. As far as NHL, it really comes down to personal preference. I have both of the NHL games from last year, and I have no idea which one I liked more. They were both decent to me, but I didn't really love either. Picking an NHL game would be a much tougher decision than picking an NBA game.

I bought NBA2k7 past year and loved it, but after reading previews of both games for 2008, i must admit that Live looks better on the paper, with way more deep in the franchise mode. That is why i want to wait, i know gameplay should be better in 2k, but if franchise is as good as it's said in live...

[MizzouRah]

Live does look like they are finally giving a shit about the series.

Troy,

A wait and see is a great approach.. you'll definitly have impressions from me on NHL 08 the day it comes out. :)

I've read that watching the CPU cylcle the puck on the powerplay is a thing of beauty.. we'll soon see.

[TroyF]

I bought NBA2k7 past year and loved it, but after reading previews of both games for 2008, i must admit that Live looks better on the paper, with way more deep in the franchise mode. That is why i want to wait, i know gameplay should be better in 2k, but if franchise is as good as it's said in live...

When it comes to the hockey games, I'll read comments from people I respect and make a decision based off of that.

When it comes to the NBA games, I'll buy 2K the day it comes out, no questions asked.

If Live ends up being much improved and 2K's equal, I'll go ahead and give it a shot.

[Eaglesfan27]

When it comes to the NBA games, I'll buy 2K the day it comes out, no questions asked.


Same here. NBA 2k7 and College Hoops were the 2 best console sports game of the last year in my opinion. The only reason I might skip them this year is because I'm so attached to my College Hoops career (even though it is has had a short hiatus thanks to Biosphere and to a lesser extent Madden/NCAA.) However, if I'm going to buy a basketball game, it will be NBA 2k8.

[TurnerONU22]

Just read on HFBoards that the 360 demo is up!!! Can't wait to get home and download it and play.

I believe it is 3rd period of 5v5 with Ottawa and Anaheim, if I remember right. Also, it is on Pro mode

[Icy]

Just read on HFBoards that the 360 demo is up!!! Can't wait to get home and download it and play.

I believe it is 3rd period of 5v5 with Ottawa and Anaheim, if I remember right. Also, it is on Pro mode

This is what i hate from owning a Ps3. I wonder why the demos take 1 month to come to Psnetwork.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

This is what i hate from owning a Ps3. I wonder why the demos take 1 month to come to Psnetwork.

I personally think demos are a problem in the industry. I know that gamers love to play a snippit of the game to wet their appetite, but I've seen more than one developer comment on how much of a hinderance it is to getting everything done in a timely fashion.

A glaring example of that was Gears of War. Microsoft pushed the developers to create a demo. The developer's response was that Microsoft could have a demo by the end of the year or a fully complete game by the end of the year, but not both. Wisely, Microsoft chose the full game over a demo.

[TroyF]

I personally think demos are a problem in the industry. I know that gamers love to play a snippit of the game to wet their appetite, but I've seen more than one developer comment on how much of a hinderance it is to getting everything done in a timely fashion.

A glaring example of that was Gears of War. Microsoft pushed the developers to create a demo. The developer's response was that Microsoft could have a demo by the end of the year or a fully complete game by the end of the year, but not both. Wisely, Microsoft chose the full game over a demo.

From a marketing standpoint, demos can be incredibly important. There is no doubt in my mind that games like Bioshock, Stranglehold and Overlord will see (or have seen) increased sales because of a strong demo.

[jaygr]

I wouldn't have purchased Bioshock without having played the demo, even after hearing how great it was. I think I would have just read a description about it and thought, eh doesn't sound like my kind of game.

[MizzouRah]

Just read on HFBoards that the 360 demo is up!!! Can't wait to get home and download it and play.

I believe it is 3rd period of 5v5 with Ottawa and Anaheim, if I remember right. Also, it is on Pro mode

Thanks for this!

I love demos, I just think they release them early if they think they have a great game on their hands.. which makes sense.

Downloading now!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TurnerONU22]

Played it for an hour or so tonight, and I might as well go ahead and trade in NCAA and Madden for NHL, its that good. They fixed most of the problems that made last years game frustrating at times.

I LOVE the AI this year on both ends of the ice. On offence, the defenders actually help out in the play, and when a winger carries the puck back to the blueline, one dman will go down low and help out. Guys stand in front of the net to create traffic. Shots from the point are very realistic and the rebounds as well. Its very satisfying to cycle (yes, you can actually cycle the puck) around and then find an opening in the slot and score.

On defense, the D-men are in perfect position, and the wingers help out up top. Its very hard to get a shot through unless you work the puck around to an open spot.

Special teams is even better! I was on the PK, and they started nice and wide in an umbrella, then worked their way tigher and closer, passing the puck nicely around and finally taking a one timer from the point and scoring on a rebound.

Also, another goal scored against me was a shot from the point that deflected off a skate and completely fooled the goalie.

It took me a while to not play it like I did last years game, because this game's AI is MUCH smarter and I agree that the Pro AI is 10x better than the Superstar AI from 07. I can't imagine when I actually get the game and turn up the settings that I like (shots are still a little too hard, and the puck control is still too much). Its going to be great!

[MizzouRah]

Played it for an hour or so tonight, and I might as well go ahead and trade in NCAA and Madden for NHL, its that good. They fixed most of the problems that made last years game frustrating at times.

I LOVE the AI this year on both ends of the ice. On offence, the defenders actually help out in the play, and when a winger carries the puck back to the blueline, one dman will go down low and help out. Guys stand in front of the net to create traffic. Shots from the point are very realistic and the rebounds as well. Its very satisfying to cycle (yes, you can actually cycle the puck) around and then find an opening in the slot and score.

On defense, the D-men are in perfect position, and the wingers help out up top. Its very hard to get a shot through unless you work the puck around to an open spot.

Special teams is even better! I was on the PK, and they started nice and wide in an umbrella, then worked their way tigher and closer, passing the puck nicely around and finally taking a one timer from the point and scoring on a rebound.

Also, another goal scored against me was a shot from the point that deflected off a skate and completely fooled the goalie.

It took me a while to not play it like I did last years game, because this game's AI is MUCH smarter and I agree that the Pro AI is 10x better than the Superstar AI from 07. I can't imagine when I actually get the game and turn up the settings that I like (shots are still a little too hard, and the puck control is still too much). Its going to be great!

Just what I wanted to hear. :)

I'm about 50% done on the d/l. Seems like the few gripes I had are gone or have been fixed. Can't wait to see it in action.

[MizzouRah]

Not much to add to Turner's thoughts.

I want this game yesterday. If there is any sport game you can tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps, hockey is it. Gameplay is as smooth as silk. I've played 07 so much, PRO difficulty isn't much of a challenge for me, but it's quite nerve racking when the other team is on a PP this year.

If there are no major bug-a-boos, I might not take this game out of the 360 all season long.

[Maple Leafs]

I got to try the demo for a few periods last night and I was pretty impressed. The tweaked the skating controls just enough that you no longer feel out of control in your own zone, and the defencemen finally know how to stay at the point and not put themselves offside whenever you pass to them. Those two changes add up to offensive zone play that feels more strategic than any previous game.

If anything, it may go too far -- some of the 5-on-5 play ends up feeling like a power play because the offense is passing it around the perimeter so easily and the defense just sets up and waits. Maybe that was just a result of being on Pro level.

This thing is going to be huge fun against other players.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

How in the world can EA manage to leave the glaring AI bugs that were pointed out in LAST year's build in this year's build. Even when consumers publicly point out problems in their AI, they still don't fix it. Amazing.

From the SportsGamer blog:

Then I played the NHL08 demo. Bill Harris had told me that this really looked like a winner for EA this year. Then I saw that one of the biggest issues from last years game is still there. All I did was control the puck and skate to the faceoff dot to the right of the goalie. I let go of the stick so my player just stands there. No one came after him. Not one guy. He'll just sit there until the clock runs out. Ugh. That's just horrible AI. Here's a very similar video of the same thing happening with last years game.

Here's the video from last year's game......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhokV_NHGxg

EA, it's called Testing 101. If it was a problem in last year's build, test the same scenario on this year's build to make sure it doesn't get through.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I should've known what I'd find when I saw that Mizzou B-ball fan was the last person to post in this thread.

[CraigSca]

I heard this only occurs because the PS3 is so difficult to program.

[RPI-Fan]

I should've known what I'd find when I saw that Mizzou B-ball fan was the last person to post in this thread.

He's kind of like a newer version of jbmagic, except he uses coherent sentences and puncuation?

[TroyF]

In all fairness to B-ball, that is simply horrible. Watching the guy simply stand there for minutes on end with the defense watching him in a 5 on 5 situation is a bit moronic. The defense is what I took issue with last year as well. I thought the AI was horrific.

I played around with the demo and found the game to be a lot of fun. This is a bug that can be worked around (by not standing in one spot for twenty minutes but I'm sure there is a slider for defensive aggressiveness that could improve that as well). Still, it's an asinine bug to be in the game.

[rowech]

I don't see this as a big deal. Simply don't do it. I can't see the score of the game but I wonder about that as well as what defensive aggressiveness slider (if there is one) is set on. Who knows. To me though it's not a glaring problem unless you simply abuse that one. Unlike some of the other games' problems.

[CraigSca]

Can anyone get this to occur on their copy? I don't have NHL07, but reading some of the comments on youtube (which are well-thought out and carefully written like most comment sections on the Internet) make it sound like it's hard to replicate.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I don't see this as a big deal. Simply don't do it. I can't see the score of the game but I wonder about that as well as what defensive aggressiveness slider (if there is one) is set on. Who knows. To me though it's not a glaring problem unless you simply abuse that one. Unlike some of the other games' problems.

I don't think that standing there doing nothing is an 'abuse' of the game. 'Abuse' would be be a situation to exploit a flaw to score 20 goals in a game. This is just a situation where they simply showed a hole in the defensive AI that never should occur. The reason this annoys me more than anything is because my job by day is to thoroughly test code. Letting something like this through is inexcusable, especially when it was flawed and noted in a build nearly one year ago.

Also, if this got through, it should open up major concerns as to how much (or how little) testing was done on this project. The frightening thing is that they actually pay contractors good money to test these games.

[TurnerONU22]

First, the demo was on Pro difficulty, so I'm reserving judgement until I play on one of the higher levels. The part of the demo I didn't like on Pro was that the defense seemed to just play "too smart", which means they would just remain in good position, and not be aggressive at all. I believe the producer (Littman) said that when you go to higher levels, that the defense will be much more aggressive.

I still don't understand the big deal about this, I don't plan on sticking my guy at that spot, and not playing the game. When you actually play hockey, it plays like a hockey game should.

[Maple Leafs]

Actually, I'd be willing to bet the problem is worse this year. Even in the demo, I find that the defence is way too passive once you've set up in the offensive zone. Every shift feels like a powerplay because you can basically pass it around without much fear of being touched. The AI is good at getting into position to pick off a pass, but they don't come near you along the boards. The same could be said for your own defence when the cpu has the puck.

Maybe it will be better at higher levels (the demo was only "pro"). It's not a deal-breaker since as somebody mentioned you don't have to stand around if you don't want to. But the bigger picture is that the demo at least has no feeling of hockey "flow" in terms of attacking rushes. You just skate into the zone, stop, and try to set up a scoring chance.

It's great that EA finally has made something that allows some basic passing plays (e.g. pass to the point without them going offside), but as always with any positive new feature they seem to have gone too far on the implementation.

[MizzouRah]

How in the world can EA manage to leave the glaring AI bugs that were pointed out in LAST year's build in this year's build. Even when consumers publicly point out problems in their AI, they still don't fix it. Amazing.

From the SportsGamer blog:



Here's the video from last year's game......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhokV_NHGxg

EA, it's called Testing 101. If it was a problem in last year's build, test the same scenario on this year's build to make sure it doesn't get through.

You've become such a shill.

The f'cking developers have said on the higher difficulties, the AI will attack more and become much more aggressive.. they wanted to allow new players to learn the controls in the demo. If at AS and Superstar, the defenders still sit around, then I'll judge the game.

It's fcking funny though, I've played over 100 games of NHL 07 and I've never seen this yet. Although I've learned to actually play games instead of doing stupid shit like this.

[MizzouRah]

First, the demo was on Pro difficulty, so I'm reserving judgement until I play on one of the higher levels. The part of the demo I didn't like on Pro was that the defense seemed to just play "too smart", which means they would just remain in good position, and not be aggressive at all. I believe the producer (Littman) said that when you go to higher levels, that the defense will be much more aggressive.

I still don't understand the big deal about this, I don't plan on sticking my guy at that spot, and not playing the game. When you actually play hockey, it plays like a hockey game should.

It's more fun to bitch about a game that's not even out yet. I mean, why not "jbmagic" a post from another site claiming the game's broken from a fcking demo?

[Maple Leafs]

You've become such a shill.

The f'cking developers have said on the higher difficulties, the AI will attack more and become much more aggressive.. they wanted to allow new players to learn the controls in the demo. If at AS and Superstar, the defenders still sit around, then I'll judge the game.

No offense, but if there's a problem in the demo and the developers say "no, we meant to do that, don't worry it will be fixed in the real game", and you believe it... well, I admire your optimism.

[TurnerONU22]

No offense, but if there's a problem in the demo and the developers say "no, we meant to do that, don't worry it will be fixed in the real game", and you believe it... well, I admire your optimism.

I don't think it is a problem, I think that the passive quality of the defense is what you will see if you play at the Pro level, to make the game easier. It was just set at a lower level for the demo and not something designed just for the demo.

I do agree that if I see this on the higher levels, then I will not be too pleased. Also, if I remember right, I think some of the sliders were adjusted from the normal for the demo. I was able to look at the sliders right before I started the game, but I could not adjust them. I'll take a look when I get home, but it could be that the 'aggressive' slider was lessened.

[Maple Leafs]

I don't think it is a problem, I think that the passive quality of the defense is what you will see if you play at the Pro level, to make the game easier. It was just set at a lower level for the demo and not something designed just for the demo.
But if it was purely a case of the Pro level AI, why does my own team behave the same way? Does the difficulty level affect every AI player on the ice, or only the CPU ones? Would seem kind of odd to make everyone play poorly at the lower levels.

[Icy]

Off topic, fun to see how the Mizzou fans friendship is growing in each new game thread :D

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Off topic, fun to see how the Mizzou fans friendship is growing in each new game thread :D

Ah, we're all good. Rah just gets worked up at times. Discussions would be awfully boring if everyone agreed. I just assume he's having a craving for a dip of chew when he gets fired up. :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

But if it was purely a case of the Pro level AI, why does my own team behave the same way? Does the difficulty level affect every AI player on the ice, or only the CPU ones? Would seem kind of odd to make everyone play poorly at the lower levels.

Agreed. The last thing players should do even at the lower levels is just to do nothing. If anything, they should take bad angles on players or be over-agressive to where it's easier to get passes in behind the defense. Also, I'll repeat that this was a problem in last year's build. If it was a new thing this year, it could be excused as just a demo glitch. When it was show to be in the production build for last year, it then becomes a problem that simply wasn't addressed in any way.

[MizzouRah]

No offense, but if there's a problem in the demo and the developers say "no, we meant to do that, don't worry it will be fixed in the real game", and you believe it... well, I admire your optimism.

No offense taken, but honestly, I've NEVER noticed this in any game of '07 I've played. Maybe it's because I don't try and do things like this.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

No offense taken, but honestly, I've NEVER noticed this in any game of '07 I've played. Maybe it's because I don't try and do things like this.

And I totally agree as a gamer that you shouldn't bother thinking about this specific instance. You're the consumer. You're paying someone to do it for you. The problem is that this is a clear instance that EA continues to have very poor QA testing for its games and the consumers are the ones suffering.

The Madden and NCAA demos are another clear example of this. When people played it, they instantly noted that there were some major balance issues with fumbles and interceptions. People said that it was likely just a demo issue and that it would be cleaned up for the final build. It wasn't just a demo issue and it never was cleaned up.

It's baffling that a bunch of idiots like us can find these issues in a couple hours of gameplay, yet a well-paid QA team can't find them over a few months of testing.

[TurnerONU22]

But if it was purely a case of the Pro level AI, why does my own team behave the same way? Does the difficulty level affect every AI player on the ice, or only the CPU ones? Would seem kind of odd to make everyone play poorly at the lower levels.

Yeah, I do agree with you there, but it is not that they are playing poorly, they are just playing passive. They are staying in perfect position, and you have to work the puck around to get them out of position. I always played the NHL07 with the aggression slider set as high as possible, and I never witnessed just being able to sit there. Of course, I change a lot of the settings, such as puck control decreased, pass speed decrease, shot speed decrease, of which they put in there to fit the 'casual' gamer instead of the 'hardcore' gamer.

I'm not too worried about it now, because I believe that the sliders will fix it, as they did last year, but there are just too many variables that are fixed in the demo (level, sliders, ect..) for me to be convinced that I won't be able to get the game to play as I want it to.

[MizzouRah]

And I totally agree as a gamer that you shouldn't bother thinking about this specific instance. You're the consumer. You're paying someone to do it for you. The problem is that this is a clear instance that EA continues to have very poor QA testing for its games and the consumers are the ones suffering.

The Madden and NCAA demos are another clear example of this. When people played it, they instantly noted that there were some major balance issues with fumbles and interceptions. People said that it was likely just a demo issue and that it would be cleaned up for the final build. It wasn't just a demo issue and it never was cleaned up.

It's baffling that a bunch of idiots like us can find these issues in a couple hours of gameplay, yet a well-paid QA team can't find them over a few months of testing.

AGAIN, it's a fn demo for peat's sake.

[TurnerONU22]

AGAIN, it's a fn demo for peat's sake.

Actually, I understand what he's saying here and he's right. The demo is how the game will play at the same level. I expect if I set the same stuff up in the real game, it will play the same.

However, I just don't feel that comparing the interceptions and fumbles from Madden/NCAA (a game changing issue) is the same as exploting a small bug that doesn't affect the game at all. It would be different if the goalies were constantly letting in weak goals (a game changing issue) or a certain shot would ALWAYS go in, but that's just NOT what we are seeing here.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

AGAIN, it's a fn demo for peat's sake.

As it was in the Madden and NCAA example that I cited. I'd drop $100 on the table right now that there's a YouTube video within a month that recreates that exact same situation because I'm pretty sure there's no way EA fixes it. I doubt anyone would put down money against mine to say that they think it will actually be fixed in the final build.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

However, I just don't feel that comparing the interceptions and fumbles from Madden/NCAA (a game changing issue) is the same as exploting a small bug that doesn't affect the game at all.

Agree to some extent, though the question remains that if this kind of a AI flaw can make it through to a 2nd year build, what else did they miss? Yes, it's only a what if question, but it's a valid concern.

[Maple Leafs]

No offense taken, but honestly, I've NEVER noticed this in any game of '07 I've played. Maybe it's because I don't try and do things like this.
Yeah, I'm not really worried about the "you can just stand there" bug since I'm not sure why you'd ever want to do that.

But in the 08 demo, I definitely noticed that the defence was way too passive. Not just a little passive, sitting back and playing a strategic game, but way too passive. And that could be a problem in terms of the overall fun factor, because it didn't feel like real NHL hockey. You lose the flow to the game when you know you can just skate into the zone, slam on the brakes, and then try to set something up while the defence waits around for you.

I'd be willing to bet that, on balance, it will still be more fun than the alternative -- skate in, either try desperate pass for one-timer right away or lose the puck. I like that they've slowed it down a bit and added some strategy. I just think they've gone too far. It feels like playing Madden with no pass rush and eight guys in coverage.

My guess is that this won't be as big an issue in two-player mode since the human player can always chase the puck around if they want.

[Maple Leafs]

It's baffling that a bunch of idiots like us can find these issues in a couple hours of gameplay, yet a well-paid QA team can't find them over a few months of testing.
These sorts of issues are almost always the result of a last-minute tweak that inadvertently breaks something. It's not like the QA team is sitting around for months seeing ten fumbles per game and not realizing it's an issue. I know it's fun to pretend that the QA guys are idiots but in reality they're usually not the ones causing the problems.

(Oh, and they're also usually not all that well-paid...)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

These sorts of issues are almost always the result of a last-minute tweak that inadvertently breaks something. It's not like the QA team is sitting around for months seeing ten fumbles per game and not realizing it's an issue. I know it's fun to pretend that the QA guys are idiots but in reality they're usually not the ones causing the problems.

(Oh, and they're also usually not all that well-paid...)

They're paid more than the beta test squads that test some of the text sim games that we play. Those text sims are a WHOLE lot more complicated and I'd argue that those alpha and beta teams do better work than what it appears the EA testers do.

I agree that last minute stupid tweaks by the developers could also be an issue, but that doesn't make the situation any better.

[TurnerONU22]

While we're all here and discussing this game, who is looking to get it and has XBL? I don't have XBL yet, but I am planning on getting it with this game IF we can start up a league here. Does anyone else have any interest in that?

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, I'm not really worried about the "you can just stand there" bug since I'm not sure why you'd ever want to do that.

But in the 08 demo, I definitely noticed that the defence was way too passive. Not just a little passive, sitting back and playing a strategic game, but way too passive. And that could be a problem in terms of the overall fun factor, because it didn't feel like real NHL hockey. You lose the flow to the game when you know you can just skate into the zone, slam on the brakes, and then try to set something up while the defence waits around for you.

I'd be willing to bet that, on balance, it will still be more fun than the alternative -- skate in, either try desperate pass for one-timer right away or lose the puck. I like that they've slowed it down a bit and added some strategy. I just think they've gone too far. It feels like playing Madden with no pass rush and eight guys in coverage.

My guess is that this won't be as big an issue in two-player mode since the human player can always chase the puck around if they want.

Well, at this point in time, I'm going to take Littman's word where he's said at higher levels ie-the next difficulty setting, you'll see the AI become less passive and start attacking. I've never played this game on pro, nor do I plan to now.

[MizzouRah]

If I'm on the PP and I can setup that's fine, but yes.. 5 on 5 I fully expect the AI to come after me in their zone. If Littman is wrong, then I'll start looking at NHL 2k8.

[Maple Leafs]

Those text sims are a WHOLE lot more complicated and I'd argue that those alpha and beta teams do better work than what it appears the EA testers do.
FOF is more complicated than Madden? Really?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

FOF is more complicated than Madden? Really?

From a horsepower perspective, obviously Madden or any other current-gen game has a lot under the hood in regards to graphics. But it's obvious when you have graphics issues and relatively easy to test. When you have a text sim like FOF and FM, there's a lot more little things that can be really tough to replicate or test for given the level of realism that these games try to reproduce. I've tested a console football game and OOTP just for comparison. The testing of OOTP was much more difficult IMO.

[rowech]

While we're all here and discussing this game, who is looking to get it and has XBL? I don't have XBL yet, but I am planning on getting it with this game IF we can start up a league here. Does anyone else have any interest in that?

I will have to play a bit just to get decent but I could be.

[Maple Leafs]

I tried the demo again last night, and I have to say that I think the "passice defence" problem isn't as bad as I remembered it. One defensive player will usually make an effort to attack the puck (even though it's sometimes the wrong guy based on positioning). It's still very easy to get around that one guy but I feel a lot better about chalking that up to the difficulty level.

I think there's going to be an issue with how easy it is to skate into the slot and take a high percentage shot -- both sides (mine and the cpu's) were doing this with relative ease all game and it doesn't feel very realistic. But again, maybe that's going to be a difficulty issue.

All in all I think the outlook is better than I'd originally made it out to be.

[MizzouRah]

From MBB's favorite blog:


- I was able to verify the AI issue with the NHL08 demo again. It does only seem to exist as an issue on the powerplay though. Once you're on the power play, and control the puck in the offensive zone, the defense will not go after you if you have the puck outside of the dots. This may be a setting that can be adjusted (agressiveness on the PK perhaps,) but the second the power play is over, they go after you. We'll have to see if it persists in the full version of the game, which Dan mentioned that had been bumped for a week.... hmm. (Edit: looks like in the comments someone says that this is an agression issue in the demo and that it isn't present in the full version. Here's hoping.)

[Logan]

So basically the "issue" is a standard hockey tactic that EA got right?

[MizzouRah]

So basically the "issue" is a standard hockey tactic that EA got right?

As usual, people love to bitch about nothing.

[MizzouRah]

This is great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JX0O9t9MLU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JX0O9t9MLU)

Appropriately titled...

Take a look at this one now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0pXTnx85Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0pXTnx85Q)

[MizzouRah]

NHL 08 Interview, courtsey of Operation Sports:

http://features.operationsports.com/features.aspx?game=nhl08interview

Some points I like:

Operation Sports: Has the Draft been upgraded in any way? More advanced scouting during dynasty mode?

David Littman: We have improved our scouting this year by having your scout provide ranges for each attribute. The more you scout an area of the world the better the information will be when you receive it. We have also added a Scouting Central page which changes every month or so to tell you where the CPU believes the prospects are ranked in terms of draft position but you will ultimately have to use your scout to determine what the best pick is for you. There are also “Franchise” players that show up every two to five years, like a Sydney or Mario. Those are the years when you will want to trade for the number one pick [or finish last].


Operation Sports: Will all the AHL teams have real players and no "fake name" players?

David Littman: The AHL has real players on the teams. We have the PHPA license which allows to use any AHL player who has signed a waiver for use in our game. So there might be some players missing but as soon as we get the ok to use the player, we will be adding him into the game through roster updates.


Operation Sports: Will the AI, once they get in the offensive zone, set up plays and pass the puck to the teammate that has the best shot.


David Littman: Yes, we had four people work specifically on AI for the entire year. If the AI controlled team does not have an odd-man rush, they will usually look to set up in the offensive zone and work the puck around until they see a good scoring chance. Also, guys like Jagr will sometimes try and beat a defender one on one to get a scoring chance. The AI team starts to learn your weaknesses the more you play. If you always attack at the blueline, they will start dumping the puck. On All-Star and Superstar difficulty settings, if you start running around in the d-zone, I can guarantee the AI team will take advantage and make you pay.


Operation Sports: Will "dynamic crowds" be featured this year (for example, will crowds be sold out in Buffalo yet half-full in Chicago)?


David Littman: There will be dynamic crowds in our game this year. Also, during the play-offs, expect to see the sea of red in Calgary and entire home team crowds wearing a specific team color.


Operation Sports: Will teams have their own specific offensive, defensive and special team (powerplay/penalty killing) tendencies or plays in the game? For example, the Sabres mount a ton of tension by passing numerous times in their opponent's zone during a power play. Will we see this from their virtual counterparts and other teams that use similar tactics or will the CPU basically use a generic play?


David Littman: Yes. Each team has been programmed to play like their real life counterparts. The Devils will sit back and wait for their opportunities, while the Sabres will attack more often. But, their strategies are always changing. If you are up by two goals, the Devils will change their game and take more chances. If you sit back too much in your own zone, teams will start shooting from the point. Different player types will play differently. Bertuzzi will drive wide and use his body, while Ovechkin will try and beat a defenseman one on one. All teams will take advantage of your mistakes. You have to play solid defense or you will get burned. You can’t run around and try and check everyone. Opponents with good puck handling skills will deke past you. You can’t run around with poke held down, or you will get a lot of tripping penalties. You need to stay in the passing lanes and only attack at the correct times.


Operation Sports: Will the Defensive AI be more aggressive when I put one of my guys in front of the net?

David Littman: Yes. On the two higher difficulty levels, you will have a tough time getting to the net. You can try a one on one deke with a good player, or get the puck back to the point and work the puck around. D-men will look to get forwards out from in front of the net so the goalie can see the puck. Screen shots mean a lot in NHL 08, so they are a great way of scoring if you see one.

[Maple Leafs]

The AI team starts to learn your weaknesses the more you play.
In the last demo game I played, I had the announcers suddenly start going on (and on, and on) about how the defence knew my tendencies and I was an idiot for not changing my strategy. Good to see the EA Sports announcers still have "hit you with a sledgehammer mode" for new features.

[MizzouRah]

I just watched as Ottawa smoked me for 3 goals in the demo last night. All 3 were legitimate goals and it's so easy to tell when their top line was on the ice.

I'm also noticing the goofy bounce off the goalies goals are gone.. or at least not near as likely as last year.

Tuesday is almost here!!!!

[Maple Leafs]

I'm also noticing the goofy bounce off the goalies goals are gone.. or at least not near as likely as last year.
I only saw one in about seven or eight periods. Not bad.

Side note: I never saw a penalty called in the demo, would have been nice to see the special teams play. I also never saw a fight, but others have reported that it's the usual terrible button mashfest that always seems to show up in EA games.

[MizzouRah]

I only saw one in about seven or eight periods. Not bad.

Side note: I never saw a penalty called in the demo, would have been nice to see the special teams play. I also never saw a fight, but others have reported that it's the usual terrible button mashfest that always seems to show up in EA games.

I've seen some penalties, but I do remember the developers saying at higher levels penalties would be enforced more.

[Maple Leafs]

I've seen some penalties, but I do remember the developers saying at higher levels penalties would be enforced more.
I'd like to see a game where each team gets four or five powerplays, like in real life. For some reason EA games always seem to have the penalties cranked way down.

That said, it's one area where I don't mind using a slider to get it right.

[Icy]

I gues this will be the hockey game to purchase this year, but also hearing good things about 2k one, that is including stick handling with the gamepad's right joy too. My final decission would go towards the one with the less buggy and more complete franchise mode.

[MizzouRah]

In 2k's game, the RT only moves the stick, you have to also use the bumpers to pass and shoot... makes it a no-brainer for me. I love pulling back on the RT and pushing foward to shoot.

1up.com had some time with the game and they didn't like 2k's controls at all. I guess we'll see.

[Pumpy Tudors]

This game ships tomorrow. I don't have a preorder in anywhere for it. I'm hoping to just walk into Wal-Mart or Best Buy on Wednesday to pick it up.

[MizzouRah]

This game ships tomorrow. I don't have a preorder in anywhere for it. I'm hoping to just walk into Wal-Mart or Best Buy on Wednesday to pick it up.

Mine is paid in full. I just wish it was available tomorrow. :(

It's been awhile since I've ventured into the dynasty forum, but I just might do an NHL 08 Blues dynasty once this one arrives.

[CraigSca]

Mine is paid in full. I just wish it was available tomorrow. :(

It's been awhile since I've ventured into the dynasty forum, but I just might do an NHL 08 Blues dynasty once this one arrives.

I'd follow this. However, you'd have to promise me you get to the playoffs :)

[Icy]

I'll wait for your reviews and to see how bad are the franchise bugs before purchasing this. I'm still pissed because the crap Madden franchise this year. I don't play games online so a good franchise is a must for me, else it's just like buying a game to play exhibition games.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

FYI to PS3 owners. Multiple sites are reporting major framerate issues with NHL '08. It has been confirmed that their competition, NHL 2K8, runs at 60 FPS without problem. IGN has even gone to the point to call out EA for their lazy work on the PS3. They're honestly running out of excuses with most of their competitors not having any problems running at a much higher framerate.........

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/819/819015p3.html

"Now for the bad news PS3 owners. EA once again does you a huge disservice. With its first NHL title on PS3, EA has really dropped the ball visually. While the gameplay and feature set is identical to 360, the framerate is not. And while EA would like to say the PS3 version runs at 30 frames per second, that's questionable. PlayStation editor Greg Miller put it best upon first seeing NHL 08 running on PS3: "It looks like they're playing hockey under a strobe light." You can still play and enjoy NHL 08 on PS3, but don't you deserve a perfect framerate? Shouldn't you demand a better-looking game? Write your Congressman and get EA to pay the PS3 a bit more respect. Nearly a year into its life, the PS3 should have sports games that run smoothly."

[Icy]

FYI to PS3 owners. Multiple sites are reporting major framerate issues with NHL '08. It has been confirmed that their competition, NHL 2K8, runs at 60 FPS without problem. IGN has even gone to the point to call out EA for their lazy work on the PS3. They're honestly running out of excuses with most of their competitors not having any problems running at a much higher framerate.........

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/819/819015p3.html

Ok, then my only possible choice is 2k. I'm going to miss the skill stick a lot, but after seing the garbage that Madden is in the ps3 and reading that is NHL going to be the same or even worse, i'll forget about EA for a while.

Btw, good review of both games:

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[MizzouRah]

I know ps3 owners are pissed, but hockey is one game EA actually gets right. YMMV however.

It does make sense though... 2k sports have to please the ps3 crowd as well due to much less sales in their sports games.

[MizzouRah]

I'd follow this. However, you'd have to promise me you get to the playoffs :)

Most definitely!!! ;)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

It does make sense though... 2k sports have to please the ps3 crowd as well due to much less sales in their sports games.

And EA doesn't need the PS3 crowd? :confused:

C'mon now. Even with an 360 installed base roughly double what the PS3 has worldwide, they still need the PS3 crowd for roughly 25-30% of their total NHL game sales to make ends meet.

Investors are already concerned about the low sales numbers for Madden. If the NHL game underperforms as well (which is pretty likely if the NHL 08 build for the PS3 is flawed), there's going to be some hard questions asked of the EA execs since every EA sports game will have done worse than the '07 version in regards to sales (NBA '08 is still to come, but I bet few hold out hope that it will do anything worthwhile in sales).

[MizzouRah]

I've read the NHL 2k8 game is also having framerate issues on the ps3.. go figure.

[MizzouRah]

And EA doesn't need the PS3 crowd? :confused:

C'mon now. Even with an 360 installed base roughly double what the PS3 has worldwide, they still need the PS3 crowd for roughly 25-30% of their total NHL game sales to make ends meet.

Investors are already concerned about the low sales numbers for Madden. If the NHL game underperforms as well (which is pretty likely if the NHL 08 build for the PS3 is flawed), there's going to be some hard questions asked of the EA execs since every EA sports game will have done worse than the '07 version in regards to sales (NBA '08 is still to come, but I bet few hold out hope that it will do anything worthwhile in sales).

You keep believing that.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I've read the NHL 2k8 game is also having framerate issues on the ps3.. go figure.

Link?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You keep believing that.

You don't have to believe me. Here's the latest mention of EA's sales issues by Michael Pachter. Still a third-party leader, but sales have declined 11% overall. Unit sales have actually dropped even further, but they made up some of the loss because more of the games were sold at the $60 price point because of an increased 360 and PS3 installed base over last year........

EA will command top third party sales in August, according to Pachter, with an expected $135 million in sales (an 11 percent year-on-year decrease) thanks mainly to Madden NFL 08, which is flanked by Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 and Boogie.

While this year’s Madden has undoubtedly sold piles of copies, Pachter cited “pessimistic” investors who are wary of the title’s performance, as EA has yet to issue a “self congratulatory press release” about Madden 08’s performance. Shortly after the release of last year’s Madden, EA announced the game had broken franchise records with 2 million copies sold in its first week.

[MizzouRah]

Link?

Go over to the OS forums. People already complaining the framerate is terrible on the default camera.. not sure if changing to the 3/4 view helps. This is all from users who have the ps3 version.

[MizzouRah]

You don't have to believe me. Here's the latest mention of EA's sales issues by Michael Pachter. Still a third-party leader, but sales have declined 11% overall. Unit sales have actually dropped even further, but they made up some of the loss because more of the games were sold at the $60 price point because of an increased 360 and PS3 installed base over last year........

I think it's because the game is just not that spectacular. Do you really think the 30 fps on the ps3 changed sales that much? I know people who have a ps3 and also have Madden.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Go over to the OS forums. People already complaining the framerate is terrible on the default camera.. not sure if changing to the 3/4 view helps. This is all from users who have the ps3 version.

Thanks. Haven't been over there yet.

[Icy]

Link?

http://forums.operationsports.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=220361

If that is true, and i hope he is just a troll, as 2K said that all his titles would be 60fps in both consoles, then i'll probably end not buying any hockey game this year, as i can only import PS3 games to Europe because the region lock in the 360 and no way i'm goign to end with games like Madden08 that is pure garbage (and I wonder why, as NCAA looks way better in the Ps3 than madden).

Anyway i have here NHL2k7 barely touched from last year, as i bought it late in the season (it was a 50€ special pack with NBA2k7 and NHL2k7). With NBA2k8 coming in a month, i'll keep playing NHL2k7 if i want to play an NHL game, unless i read better reviews about the 2k8 PS3 version.

[Icy]

Dola, this is an even worse problem if true (it comes from the same guy):


Another problem I noticed,

i'm playing on all-star simulation settings and got into a shootout against the cpu (thrashers). The cpu has not scored in 22 attempts. On that note, either have I 'cause I stink. But the fact that the cpu cannot score in 22 attempts so far as I write this is bothersome.

I finally scored on my 23rd shot and the cpu missed on his.

this is not looking good....

[Icy]

Ouch, 4 out of 10 is the 2k8 review result in 1up, mainly because they say the control scheme sucks so bad. On the other side, they say that the franchise mode is nice. Reading their comments, i think that there is no reason to give it a 4, maybe a 6 or 7 would be more fair.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162698&sec=REVIEWS

[MizzouRah]

One more day!

[MizzouRah]

Ouch, 4 out of 10 is the 2k8 review result in 1up, mainly because they say the control scheme sucks so bad. On the other side, they say that the franchise mode is nice. Reading their comments, i think that there is no reason to give it a 4, maybe a 6 or 7 would be more fair.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162698&sec=REVIEWS

Damn! wtf?

They score NHL 08 for the 360 - 9.5

[CraigSca]

so...where are the first impressions that I can live vicariously through?

[Maple Leafs]

so...where are the first impressions that I can live vicariously through?
The guys at Operation Sports are wetting themselves right now. Apparently the passive AI issues in the demo are gone (at least at higher levels) and the skating is "heavier" which everyone seems to like.

They're also reporting that the framerate issues on the PS3 have been hugely overstated and are basically non-factors.

[CraigSca]

Ah yes, the inevitable "wetting myself" period. I'm crossing my fingers, but we'll see.

It's not unlike when NCAA 2008 came out and everyone was posting their highlights. No one seemed to notice (at first) that about half the highlights were interception returns for TDs...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

They're also reporting that the framerate issues on the PS3 have been hugely overstated and are basically non-factors.

You know, I was wondering about that after taking a peek over at Metacritic.com at some of the scores. The 360 version is currently rated 89 while the PS3 version is rated 88. Seemed odd given the framerate concerns, but your comment certainly matches what the scores are showing over there.

Certainly agree with Craig as well that the EA impressions always begin this way.

[Icy]

This time i'm going to control myself and to wait for the demo to come to the PSnetwork and also for possible franchise and long term bugs that are never discovered in the dirst days. I have finally learned a lot from Madden fiasco this year.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I ordered online through Best Buy, and there's a copy waiting there for me to pick up. I'm thinking about ducking out of work a little early for this one. I haven't been this excited about a console hockey game in a long time.

I'm hoping that somebody will have managed to crack the code to unlock the new jerseys by the end of the day, but I'm not optimistic about that. :)

[MizzouRah]

Mine is waiting at Gamestop. I might get one game in before I have some family stuff to attend... BUT I will be playing most of the night after that.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Mine is waiting at Gamestop. I might get one game in before I have some family stuff to attend... BUT I will be playing most of the night after that.
Maybe one day, we can play against each other online. I'll control Martin Brodeur, and you can control whatever clown the Blues decide to dress up in goalie gear. ;)

[Maple Leafs]

Maybe one day, we can play against each other online. I'll control Martin Brodeur, and you can control whatever clown the Blues decide to dress up in goalie gear. ;)
Maybe you could pretend there's a playoff spot on the line and play with the backup instead.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Maybe you could pretend there's a playoff spot on the line and play with the backup instead.
It ain't my playoff spot. Weekes, put your mask on!

[MizzouRah]

Maybe one day, we can play against each other online. I'll control Martin Brodeur, and you can control whatever clown the Blues decide to dress up in goalie gear. ;)

:)

I just signed up for XBL Gold again, so BRING IT ON!

That would be fun to play as goalies though!

[Logan]

Any trade-in offers for the 360 version? Namely for NCAA 08?

[MizzouRah]

Any trade-in offers for the 360 version? Namely for NCAA 08?

Only thing I saw was you get a pack of NHL cards. lol...

[DeToxRox]

There is apparently online leagues in 08 .. I know people gotta be game

[MizzouRah]

Don't have much time, one game AS defaults 10 min periods.

I loved 07, but I have to tell you.. 08's gameplay is so much better I'm shocked. It's like a real hockey game in every aspect. AI is really great thus far. I need to run, but they really did a great job from what I've seen.

FWIW, it's only 1 game.. I'll have some more time tonight.

[Fidatelo]

My brother has been trying to convince me to buy a 360 and knows I'm dying for this game. He sent me these impressions he found (not sure of the source):

Some impressions from people who have the game:

— "This may be the first sports game where every game is truly different. I am thoroughly impressed by the leaps in AI so far, it is probably the best ai ever in a sports game. Best of all is when the ai is beating me I do not feel like it is because of some code in the game that suddenly gives them super powered abilities like you find in the football titles."
— "This is by far one of the best, if not THE best hockey games ever made, plain and simple. Having to work every shift for scoring chances, having to play solid defense to cut down passing lanes and prevent the AI from burying you because they will, and often if you let them is just plain all sorts of awesome sauce. Hell my last game I had a total of 15 shots all game. Thats how much the AI shut me down."
— "Played my first online game and could hardly tell it wasn't offline... only difference is the 'waiting for user' pause between stoppages when the other guy was watching the cutscene. No framerate drops, still 'buttery smooth' as people are saying..."
— "I absolutely love the difference in the ways certain lines play (for you and the ai). With the Leafs I was able to run around all day with the Sundin, Ponikarovsky, and Antropov, line, I was just able to use their size to keep cycling the puck. Similarly, I was chasing Ottawa's top unit around all night, they really were able to work the puck around. On the flip side to that, I was able to shut down Ottawa's second and third lines down quite effectively as they played dump and chase. I played one man up at the blue line to cut the dump man off and had my better skating and puck moving defenseman retrieve the puck and either outlet to a man along the boards or try to skate out of the zone with it. I was amazed to see the ai using different offensive strategies, but also using them effective. I love that the ai on All-Star poses a very significant scoring threat if you don't play a disciplined game." <script><!-- D(["mb","\u003c/p\>\n\u003cp\>— &quot;This one of the first things I noticed in my first game. My 4th line just doesn't have the skill to carry the puck, I had to dump it in and try to muck it up to generate a chance. But Crosby, Malkin, etc could dance and dangle much more. Really forces to play to strengths and away from your weaknesses. Also, you can really tell the differences in speed between the players. I chipped past a slow d-man and was able to go and get it with Crosby, but couldn't do it with Ruuttu. Very nice!&quot;\n\u003c/p\>\u003cbr\>\u003cbr\>*\u003c/div\>",1] ); //--></script>
— "This one of the first things I noticed in my first game. My 4th line just doesn't have the skill to carry the puck, I had to dump it in and try to muck it up to generate a chance. But Crosby, Malkin, etc could dance and dangle much more. Really forces to play to strengths and away from your weaknesses. Also, you can really tell the differences in speed between the players. I chipped past a slow d-man and was able to go and get it with Crosby, but couldn't do it with Ruuttu. Very nice!"

[MizzouRah]

..and Fidatelo, I agree with all of them! :)

Amazing what they've done improving this game this year. The commentary has been expanded and I'm really enjoying that paired up with all the on ice talk.

I need to play it more.. as I will most of the night, but I'm so happy right now, I feel like a little kid.

[MizzouRah]

Just got my ass handed to me courtsey of the Rangers, 9-1. I was out shot 70-19. Unlike 07, I'm REALLY going to have to learn to play smart instead of hitting everything and having breakaways. You really have to make quick, smart, decisions.
- I'm getting out hit
- I'm getting out shot
- I'm getting beat on many faceoffs
- I love how the PP slows when the CPU team is in your zone and resumes accelerations when the puck is cleared
- Stat overlays are there, I've seen them.. not as much as I would like, but I've seen them
- Goalie play is so much better, no more goofy bounce off the top of his pads into the goal
- Top players HAVE to be watched, Jagr had 4 goals.. if he's left open, he's going to burn you
- Better in between stoppages as you don't always see shots on goal
I will always remember my first goal. Jay McKee a slapper!
I would suggest if you are new to the series to start on Pro and go from there. I feel like a chump on AS and I played 07 to death. :) Each game on AS is going to be mentally challenging for me. I have to find the other teams stars, hit smart, poke check, pass accurately, etc.. I had many penalties that would not have been penalties in 07.
In all, initial impressions are I love this game. It does so many things right in terms of real hockey.

AT LEAST RENT THIS GAME!!!

[CraigSca]

More impressions, please. ~kk thx la~

Where's Pumpy? Wasn't he supposed to get the game today?

[MizzouRah]

I'm getting smoked on AS. I played a game on Pro and although I lost, I could at least move the puck. I can't believe I haven't won a game yet. :(

[Pumpy Tudors]

Just got my ass handed to me courtsey of the Rangers, 9-1. I was out shot 70-19. Unlike 07, I'm REALLY going to have to learn to play smart instead of hitting everything and having breakaways. You really have to make quick, smart, decisions.
- I'm getting out hit
- I'm getting out shot
- I'm getting beat on many faceoffs
- I love how the PP slows when the CPU team is in your zone and resumes accelerations when the puck is cleared
- Stat overlays are there, I've seen them.. not as much as I would like, but I've seen them
- Goalie play is so much better, no more goofy bounce off the top of his pads into the goal
- Top players HAVE to be watched, Jagr had 4 goals.. if he's left open, he's going to burn you
- Better in between stoppages as you don't always see shots on goal
I will always remember my first goal. Jay McKee a slapper!
I would suggest if you are new to the series to start on Pro and go from there. I feel like a chump on AS and I played 07 to death. :) Each game on AS is going to be mentally challenging for me. I have to find the other teams stars, hit smart, poke check, pass accurately, etc.. I had many penalties that would not have been penalties in 07.
In all, initial impressions are I love this game. It does so many things right in terms of real hockey.

AT LEAST RENT THIS GAME!!!
I didn't play 07 very much, and my first goal wasn't a Jay McKee slapper, but count me in for just about everything else in MizzouRah's post here. The Rangers tore me up. Now, it wasn't 9-1, but they still tore me up (final score of 6-1). I played two periods of a second game against the Rangers, and I was ahead 2-1, but then I turned the game off to go to bed.

I have no idea how to win faceoffs. I can win a few, but I'm talking about only 20% or so. That's part of the reason I have trouble being effective. Another is that I have a hard time keeping my guys between the opponents and the net. Everything seems to move so fast that I end up overskating. I guess I need a lighter touch on the gamepad or something.

So far, all three of my goals have been on the power play. Now, between periods, the game keeps telling me to shoot more, and I should probably do that. I'm just more interested in taking good shots, but maybe I need to just throw the puck in front of the net more often and try for deflections or rebounds.

The game is a lot of fun, but I have plenty to learn. I never did get terribly comfortable with the skill stick last year, but I'm going to adjust to it this time around. Once I get a handle on that, I should be more competitive.

[Fidatelo]

Damn it I want this game so bad. Stupid EA, why no Wii version??

[Icy]

I'm trying it for PC and while not being next gen, i must admit it's fun, as they brough in the Skill Stick finally to the PC version.

[TurnerONU22]

RBK Edge Code leaked on their website

http://rbkedgeuniform.com/


The code is: h3oyxpwksf8ibcgt

Confirmed on HFBoards that it works, I can't wait to go home tonight and use the new uni's.

[Maple Leafs]

I only got to play on game last night. It was fun, certainly better than the demo. I got shutout 2-0 on all-star mode so there's definitely a degree of difficulty.

Like others, I had a few goals against where the other team just took over in the offensive zone and finished off a multi-pass play with a one-timer. It was cool to see, and certainly something you didn't see in previous versions. But the whole thing felt a little forced -- it was as if my defensive players just suddenly shut down completely. Guys were standing around watching the action without even trying a poke check. I suspect that after a while we'll start to hear people complain about these sort of goals if they're too frequent.

[MizzouRah]

PT,

Turn down the game speed a notch or two.

[Pumpy Tudors]

PT,

Turn down the game speed a notch or two.
I forgot to mention that I had it all the way down to 0. :) Dropping player acceleration a notch is my next step.

[TurnerONU22]

I have to say, this might be the most FUN I've ever had with a game that took me TEN 5-min period games to finally win! Of course, I was playing on Superstar with the Blue Jackets against the Caps, 'Canes, and the Bruins.

I adjusted the settings ahead of time from how I felt on the demo. I lowered the game speed to 1 (still might be too high, I'll test it out on a couple more games before I start my dynasty), raised the aggression to 5, and lowered shot power to 1, lowered puck control to 1, among other things. I'll post my sliders later after I test a couple more things (speed, acceleration and fatigue, mostly).

It takes HARD WORK to score goals on the Superstar level, you have to be open to what the defense gives you. If there is room in the slot, attack with one-timers, but if the defense clamps down in the middle, you have to start taking some shots from the point with your defensemen. On defense, you MUST defend the slot, because they will find it everytime. Its tough to get anything going, because you make one little mistake in the offensive zone, then they have the puck and it goes the other way. If you make one little mistake in your zone, its probably in the net.

I'm going to start a dynasty as well with my Jackets and see if I can get them into the playoffs.

[MizzouRah]

I'm steering clear of you on XBL Live TurnerONU22!! ;)

I'm getting torched on AS.

[MizzouRah]

From MizzouBBfan's friend Bill Harris:


NHL 08 (360)



I wrote a relatively scathing review of NHL 07 last year (which you can read here (http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2006/09/nhl2k7-360-and-nhl-07-360-polar.html)).

My primary objection was that the game essentially shipped without offensive or defensive A.I. Actually, there was offensive A.I., which I believed was coded like this:
If player in offensive zone
Then shoot

I documented just how bad the offensive A.I. was in the linked post--it averaged less than 1 pass per offensive possession (that "successfully" ended in a shot). And it wasn't that the offense was passing the puck all over and losing it (thus skewing the numbers)--a guy would skate past the blue line, pull up, and take a slapshot.

On offense, I could skate in leisurely circles around the offensive zone with very little interruption from the defense, even on Superstar difficulty.

The frame rates were also lousy, and the skating animations didn't look very good.

In spite of that, the game had its moments. Right analog stick control for shooting was a blast, and the commentary was outstanding. It was just another game in a long list of EA Sports games that had potential, but didn't get finished.

I picked up NHL 08 today, and here's an update.

--Offensive and defensive A.I. made it into the game this time. I started retesting what I did last year, but stopped after five minutes, because the problems I documented are clearly gone now. That doesn't mean the A.I. is sensational or anything, but it's significantly improved and looks serviceable.
--frame rates are silky-smooth on the 360 version. User be warned on the PS3 version, which apparently has significantly lower framerates.
--skating animations look great.

This is the best-looking sports game I've ever seen in HD.

Also, unlike NCAA, which had high framerates during the play, but frequent choppiness in-between plays (which will drive you crazy), NHL is smooth, smooth, smooth all the time.

Sliders are obviously going to need some work--I already turned game speed down to the minimum setting, and also significantly changed a few other settings.

So far, I'm very impressed.

[nilodor]

How are the framerate issues for the ps3 version? That strobe light quote doesn't exactly inspire confidence. That being said they said the same about NCAA and Madden and I'm enjoying them more then I have any other game from those respective series.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

From MizzouBBfan's friend Bill Harris:

Just a word of warning. Bill posted a similar post about NCAA Football on release, noting that initial impressions were good, but that the sliders would need a little work. We all know generally how EA threads in general have progressed over the past few years. Hopefully this one bucks the trend.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

How are the framerate issues for the ps3 version? That strobe light quote doesn't exactly inspire confidence. That being said they said the same about NCAA and Madden and I'm enjoying them more then I have any other game from those respective series.

The demos for FIFA 08 and NHL 08 are both out on the PSN. Give it a whirl.

[Icy]

The demos for FIFA 08 and NHL 08 are both out on the PSN. Give it a whirl.

Oh great, i'm enjoying as i never thought the PC version of NHL08, currently into my 4 game in a franchise with the Panthers and so far i'm 2-2 with one game lost in shootout and another shootout won.

If the ps3 version is this good, i'll order it today.

[nilodor]

The demos for FIFA 08 and NHL 08 are both out on the PSN. Give it a whirl.

It's not up on the PSN yet, but should be soon. Although it was supposed to be out yesterday so...

[Maple Leafs]

How frequent are people seeing penalties called?

I went a full game without a single call with sliders all the way up, but then again it was only one game.

[Pumpy Tudors]

How frequent are people seeing penalties called?

I went a full game without a single call with sliders all the way up, but then again it was only one game.
In my 6-1 loss to the Rangers, there were about 6 or 7 penalties called, not counting a couple of fighting majors. There were another 6 penalties called in the two-period game I played right after that. Two of those six were against Scott Gomez (screw you, Gomez) and two others were against Kasparaitis.

[Logan]

Pumpy, I probably won't pick up the game for another month or so. That gives you plenty of time to get your skills up, so that your veteran-ness plus your Devils will equal my novice skills plus the Rangers.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Pumpy, I probably won't pick up the game for another month or so. That gives you plenty of time to get your skills up, so that your veteran-ness plus your Devils will equal my novice skills plus the Rangers.
That's it. I'm calling off our wedding.

[TurnerONU22]

How frequent are people seeing penalties called?

I went a full game without a single call with sliders all the way up, but then again it was only one game.

I'm seeing them pretty often, for the 5 minute games I played, about 3 penalties for each side on average. Many tripping calls when I tried to poke check, but got the legs instead, along with some boarding calls. It seemed to be improved from last year.

[Logan]

That's it. I'm calling off our wedding.

Dude, less posting, more franchise playing. I'm dying to know if you automatically get fired around Game 70.

[Maple Leafs]

In my 6-1 loss to the Rangers, there were about 6 or 7 penalties called, not counting a couple of fighting majors.
Cool. Should I just assume that the fighting is stupid and annoying like it has been in every hockey game since NHL 93?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Cool. Should I just assume that the fighting is stupid and annoying like it has been in every hockey game since NHL 93?
It's absolutely horrible.

[Maple Leafs]

It's absolutely horrible.
Does it also have absolutely no concept of who fights and who doesn't, so you get Patrick Elias vs. Tomas Kaberle matchups?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Does it also have absolutely no concept of who fights and who doesn't, so you get Patrick Elias vs. Tomas Kaberle matchups?
I don't think it's that bad. Colin White was on my side of the fight. I don't remember who I was fighting against, but isn't pretty much everybody on the Rangers team besides Jagr and Drury willing to fight?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Dola

I'm joking about all the Rangers fighting, although I would laugh my ass off if Petr Prucha dropped the gloves.

[Mike Lowe]

Franchise impressions? From what I've been seeing about both hockey games this year, 2k7 has a great franchise mode but the rest of the game is meh, while NHL from EA plays great...but nothing is mentioned about franchise.

What are you finding?

[MizzouRah]

2k8 is deeper.. I believe, but it does not have the AHL teams, which I absolutely love in NHL 08.

Honestly, I can't wait to play the NHL 2k8 demo just to see how it plays and I think Troy loved 2k7 last year, so I would play both demos once 2k8 drops and see which one you like best. Like last year, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

I'll get around to 2k8 at some point, but my franchise is going to be with NHL 08. I really need to improve though. :)

[Icy]

Just tried the NHL08 PS3 demo for a game and i have mixed feelings. The framerate is great, can't see any slowdown so that fear is gone. But the graphics, compared with the PC version look like "washed out". There is for sure way more detail and animations that in the PC version, but i'm not sure... the PC version look more cartoonish, but the colors are more vibrant...

I had the same feeling with madden 08 and with the nba live 08 demo, the players look like overlays put over the field/stadium, but not really merged unless you have a real close view where the full details can be appreciated.

I'm going to wait a few days before purchasing it, to see if franchise bugs are reported. In the mean time, the PC version is really fun and well done for those that don't have a 360/Ps3. The PC version also has the AHL, but not playable in franchise mode, only in season mode.

[rowech]

I suck at this game but man is it fun to play. I lose with Calgary 3-0, 3-0, and 5-2 to Minnesota and then lose 3-2 versus Columbus before finally breaking through with a 2-1 win over same Columbus team.

[DeToxRox]

Just had a game that shows the most substancial difference between 07 and 08. I am using LA vs Boston and Manny Fernandez stands on his head for the Bruins, turning away 41 shots for a shutout. In NHL 07 41 shots is good for 3 or 4 goals that should never go in.

Totally awesome

[MizzouRah]

In other news... I'm still getting my ass handed to me.......on PRO level! :eek:

[Pumpy Tudors]

Welp, just got the red ring of death. I'm done for a few weeks.

[Eaglesfan27]

Gamespot's review is up:


http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl08/review.html?sid=6178761

It got a very good 8.5 and the following summary line:

EA's latest NHL title creates one of the most legitimately exciting interpretations of the sport you've ever played.



I wasn't planning on getting any hockey game this year, but if you guys are still praising this game in a week and the franchise doesn't have any huge problems, I'm going to pick this up.

[SirFozzie]

NHL2K8 (the 2K Sports version) got absolutely savaged by 1up. They tore it apart in a podcast (hate the control scheme), 1 UP posted a rebuttal on their developer's blog (hosted by 1up)..

and then 1up gave NHL2K8 a 4/10.

4/10??

Even in these days of not quite-so-inflated scores, I thought you got 5/10 if your game booted and didn't destroy the console!

[Eaglesfan27]

NHL2K8 (the 2K Sports version) got absolutely savaged by 1up. They tore it apart in a podcast (hate the control scheme), 1 UP posted a rebuttal on their developer's blog (hosted by 1up)..

and then 1up gave NHL2K8 a 4/10.

4/10??

Even in these days of not quite-so-inflated scores, I thought you got 5/10 if your game booted and didn't destroy the console!



Most other sites are giving NHL2k8 good scores. At least early on, fans on OS are saying that both games are very good. What is interesting is that a good portion of self proclaimed die hard NHL 2k fans are saying they prefer NHL 2008 for the first time this year.

[Pumpy Tudors]

You know what I'm most upset about? It's not so much that my 360 is dead (although that sucks bigtime). It's that I didn't get to put the RBK Edge code in to see the Devils' new sweaters. Fuck.

[rowech]

Gamespot's review is up:


http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl08/review.html?sid=6178761

It got a very good 8.5 and the following summary line:

EA's latest NHL title creates one of the most legitimately exciting interpretations of the sport you've ever played.



I wasn't planning on getting any hockey game this year, but if you guys are still praising this game in a week and the franchise doesn't have any huge problems, I'm going to pick this up.


I dont' know about franchise but I can guarantee you won't be unhappy with the game itself. The sounds and announcing add a lot to this game in creating atmosphere. (football games can take note) The play is smooth, not a glitch at all so far after five games. (although I'm sure there's got to be some somewhere)

[Maple Leafs]

Played a bit more last night. I'm still apparently the only person on the planet who doesn't love the new cpu offensive ai. Yes, it's very cool to see them move the puck and finish with a one-timer. I just wish they'd do it on a shift where my guys decided to actually move. Sorry to sound like a spoilsport, but it really feels like the game decides it's going to score and sends the defence into operation shutdown mode for the rest of the shift.

Once the cpu starts firing those passes around, it's like "ok, now my defenceman will stand still... yep... and the slot will become wide open... yep... and... here comes the goal..."

That said, I got to play online for the first time against a guy I know and it was wicked fun. A couple of lags but otherwise exactly like playing in person.

Last thing, I'm still seeing almost no penalties when playing the cpu. I think it may have to do with the fact that I don't really know a lot of the defensive controls yet -- I can hit and pokecheck but haven't worked in the diving or blocking yet, or any of the stickwork. So I could see how I may get fewer penalties, but why don't my teammates get them, not to mention the cpu players? Odd.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Maple Leafs, I forgot to mention that I had maxed out the penalties slider. If you haven't done that, I think you should.

[Maple Leafs]

Maple Leafs, I forgot to mention that I had maxed out the penalties slider. If you haven't done that, I think you should.
Yeah, already done, it's usually the first thing I do with a new hockey game.

By the way, where do you enter the reebok codes? I tried to choose the new uniforms and the game said "you need the code". OK, I have it. What do I do with it?

[Fidatelo]

For anyone wanting to see all the new jerseys as shown in the game: http://www.fartfignewton.com<wbr>/rbk_edge/ (http://www.fartfignewton.com/rbk_edge/)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Yeah, already done, it's usually the first thing I do with a new hockey game.

By the way, where do you enter the reebok codes? I tried to choose the new uniforms and the game said "you need the code". OK, I have it. What do I do with it?
If I remember correctly, go to "My NHL08" at the main menu, and then there should be a selection called "RBK Edge." Pick that and it'll ask for the code. Then, put the controller down and go look at your computer screen to jot down the code. Go back to your Xbox 360 and it should be locked up. Turn the system off, then turn it back on. You'll see three flashing red lights. Say a curse word and call Microsoft customer support immediately.

Or at least that's everything that I did.

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, already done, it's usually the first thing I do with a new hockey game.

By the way, where do you enter the reebok codes? I tried to choose the new uniforms and the game said "you need the code". OK, I have it. What do I do with it?

It's down in the menu tree towards the bottom, forget where exactly, but it's from the main screen in one of the sub menus.

[MizzouRah]

Played a bit more last night. I'm still apparently the only person on the planet who doesn't love the new cpu offensive ai. Yes, it's very cool to see them move the puck and finish with a one-timer. I just wish they'd do it on a shift where my guys decided to actually move. Sorry to sound like a spoilsport, but it really feels like the game decides it's going to score and sends the defence into operation shutdown mode for the rest of the shift.

Once the cpu starts firing those passes around, it's like "ok, now my defenceman will stand still... yep... and the slot will become wide open... yep... and... here comes the goal..."

That said, I got to play online for the first time against a guy I know and it was wicked fun. A couple of lags but otherwise exactly like playing in person.

Last thing, I'm still seeing almost no penalties when playing the cpu. I think it may have to do with the fact that I don't really know a lot of the defensive controls yet -- I can hit and pokecheck but haven't worked in the diving or blocking yet, or any of the stickwork. So I could see how I may get fewer penalties, but why don't my teammates get them, not to mention the cpu players? Odd.

Penalties seem fine to me so far.

On defense, what I've been doing is taking control of one of my offensive players and letting the CPU handle my defensive players. Seems to work better for me.

[Maple Leafs]

If I remember correctly, go to "My NHL08" at the main menu, and then there should be a selection called "RBK Edge." Pick that and it'll ask for the code. Then, put the controller down and go look at your computer screen to jot down the code. Go back to your Xbox 360 and it should be locked up. Turn the system off, then turn it back on. You'll see three flashing red lights. Say a curse word and call Microsoft customer support immediately.
EA is taking their simulation of the Devils' neutral zone trap too far.

[Capital]

Just tried the NHL08 PS3 demo for a game and i have mixed feelings. The framerate is great, can't see any slowdown so that fear is gone. But the graphics, compared with the PC version look like "washed out". There is for sure way more detail and animations that in the PC version, but i'm not sure... the PC version look more cartoonish, but the colors are more vibrant...

I had the same feeling with madden 08 and with the nba live 08 demo, the players look like overlays put over the field/stadium, but not really merged unless you have a real close view where the full details can be appreciated.

I'm going to wait a few days before purchasing it, to see if franchise bugs are reported. In the mean time, the PC version is really fun and well done for those that don't have a 360/Ps3. The PC version also has the AHL, but not playable in franchise mode, only in season mode.

I don't have a 360/PS3 but do have a nice PC and I'm considering getting this game for the PC. I haven't played for a couple of years, but I remember franchise mode requiring all 82 games. Is there a way this year to shorten franchise mode to a reasonable number of game - 13, 26, 32, etc?

[Icy]

I don't have a 360/PS3 but do have a nice PC and I'm considering getting this game for the PC. I haven't played for a couple of years, but I remember franchise mode requiring all 82 games. Is there a way this year to shorten franchise mode to a reasonable number of game - 13, 26, 32, etc?

I have not seen that option, what i do is to play one game and sim 1, that way you play around 40 games. If i reach the playoffs, i'll play all them, if i have zero chances to reach them, i might sim more games.

[Capital]

I have not seen that option, what i do is to play one game and sim 1, that way you play around 40 games. If i reach the playoffs, i'll play all them, if i have zero chances to reach them, i might sim more games.

That's what I did when they first rolled franchise mode out a few years ago. A little damper but I'm considering it. Another question, can you use an accelerated clock. In other words (set the period length to 6 minutes) but have the game clock count down from 20:00 (count down is much faster)? It was a nice feature back in the day because penalties were pro-rated. If you only play 5 minute periods, a penalty is really 40% of a actual game period.

[Icy]

That's what I did when they first rolled franchise mode out a few years ago. A little damper but I'm considering it. Another question, can you use an accelerated clock. In other words (set the period length to 6 minutes) but have the game clock count down from 20:00 (count down is much faster)? It was a nice feature back in the day because penalties were pro-rated. If you only play 5 minute periods, a penalty is really 40% of a actual game period.

Yes, i play 5 minutes periods but the clock shows 20 minutes that go faster, the penalties are well scaled to the 5 minutes and this must be the default settings as i didn't touch anything to get it to work. Btw, there are already some current roster files and rbk uniforms by the mods community (that is one of the beauties of PC gaming).

[Icy]

Dola, here you can find more opinions and info about mods:

http://www.sportsgamer.com/forums/forum967/

[Capital]

Icy, thanks for all information. Your graphical work has been appreciated over the years - as I have used a number of your creations. I remember back in the day in EAs NHLxx, but I used to download arenas (boards ads, ice graphics, etc) for all of the teams. Downloaded them and seeing how they look in gameplay was oftentimes more fun than playing the game.

Then, EA decided to lump all arenas together and made it too much of a pain to execute.

[GoDukes]

Just had a game that shows the most substancial difference between 07 and 08. I am using LA vs Boston and Manny Fernandez stands on his head for the Bruins, turning away 41 shots for a shutout. In NHL 07 41 shots is good for 3 or 4 goals that should never go in.

Totally awesome

At the same time last night I was playing against Vancouver and took a shot from right outside the blueline on Luongo and it knuckled and got by him. Only time Ive had a really bad goal scored in 5 games, and it was awesome. "If it's in the game..." lol

[Icy]

Sorry Capital, after paying more atention i must say that the 20 minutes periods are scaleld to the time you choose to play, but the penalties are not correctly scaled, i think they go faster than real seconds too, but not as fast as the period clock for 5 minutes scaled periods.

[Ironhead]

Spent some time with the demo and I like it. I had a really nice tick-tack-toe play to score my first goal.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/Aaenuel/demogoal.jpg


I haven't been hardcore into a hockey game since NHL 96. I still remember playing in an online league with that game. The away team would play the first period of the game, save it, and then zip up all the files and the home team would finish the last two. It definitely required an honor system but it was a ton of fun.

If this one keeps getting good praise I might have to pick it up.

[heybrad]

You guys are killing my wallet. I just got back from picking this up. Now I have to kick my wife off the TV.

How long before we work on setting up an online league? Hockey has always been my dream online league game.

[Pumpy Tudors]

From what I've read, the online league simply tracks wins, losses, and OT losses. No stat tracking at all. Just a heads up.

[WSR]

I also bought this game today, after buying Madden 08 last week. $120 in less than a week!

[cartman]

As long as you can make #99 bleed, I'm all over this game!

[heybrad]

I've played 3 games now. The first game took me a while to get used to the controls (it's been a while since I had a hockey game). I had some frustrating moments trying to snap off some wristers, but that will come with time.

I'm only playing on pro right now, but it's a bit too easy to set up in the offensive zone. It almost had a power play feel once I brought the puck in the zone.

Two of my games went to shootouts and the CPU couldn't score on any of them. That's a bit disturbing.

Overall, it plays a great game of hockey so far.

[CraigSca]

Had some guys over tonight and played the demo for a bit. We scored about 2 goals in 5 games. I've been setting up one-timers ad nauseum but still fail to score. Kinda felt like soccer. Still, we had a lot of fun just playng for that short time we had.

[TroyF]

Bought the game tonight and played about 6 games.

The Good:

Gameplay seems great.
Varied goal scoring, which is nice.
Graphics are terrific.
Commentary is solid.
The game isn't easy.


The Meh:

I guess I don't understand the fuss about the shot stick. It's nice, but it doesn't get me out of my seat either. The stick works perfectly and the control is smooth. I like it slightly better than 2K7, so I'm not insulting it. I just don't think it's cause for celebration in the streets.

I went 3-3. I played on pro difficulty and only changed the penalty slider. (to max) I played as the Avs. I played the Stars twice, the Predators twice and the Sabres twice. I split against each team. While that is good, it's also bad. Let me explain. . . I was stomped 8-1 by the Preds in my first game. Beat them 3-1 in my second. Beat the Stars 5-1 first time, lost 6-0 in my second. The problem? I don't know what the hell I did differently each game. I don't have the control scheme down and didn't do a lot of deking or anything like that. I didn't change the options from default and let the AI sub out my lines. I played defense the same way in every game and the same goalie played each game. Each game was at home.

Now, I love the fact the game doesn't play the same way each game. It'd suck royally if it did. My problem is that I have no idea why I won or lost these games so convincingly. In one game I can get off any shot I want, in another I can't even move the puck up the ice. Is there a something I'm missing here?

I doubt I'll buy both hockey games. This is probably my only purchase, especially with NBA2K8 coming out in a few weeks. This will tide me over and is a solid game. I don't think it's a revolutionary breakthrough in hockey games. Maybe that's just me an my lack of hockey knowledge. I could be way off base here.

[rowech]

Had some guys over tonight and played the demo for a bit. We scored about 2 goals in 5 games. I've been setting up one-timers ad nauseum but still fail to score. Kinda felt like soccer. Still, we had a lot of fun just playng for that short time we had.

I've now learned that my strategy of nothing but one-timers simply doesn't work. You have to do other stuff or you won't score goals.

[MizzouRah]

Bought the game tonight and played about 6 games.

The Good:

Gameplay seems great.
Varied goal scoring, which is nice.
Graphics are terrific.
Commentary is solid.
The game isn't easy.


The Meh:

I guess I don't understand the fuss about the shot stick. It's nice, but it doesn't get me out of my seat either. The stick works perfectly and the control is smooth. I like it slightly better than 2K7, so I'm not insulting it. I just don't think it's cause for celebration in the streets.

I went 3-3. I played on pro difficulty and only changed the penalty slider. (to max) I played as the Avs. I played the Stars twice, the Predators twice and the Sabres twice. I split against each team. While that is good, it's also bad. Let me explain. . . I was stomped 8-1 by the Preds in my first game. Beat them 3-1 in my second. Beat the Stars 5-1 first time, lost 6-0 in my second. The problem? I don't know what the hell I did differently each game. I don't have the control scheme down and didn't do a lot of deking or anything like that. I didn't change the options from default and let the AI sub out my lines. I played defense the same way in every game and the same goalie played each game. Each game was at home.

Now, I love the fact the game doesn't play the same way each game. It'd suck royally if it did. My problem is that I have no idea why I won or lost these games so convincingly. In one game I can get off any shot I want, in another I can't even move the puck up the ice. Is there a something I'm missing here?

I doubt I'll buy both hockey games. This is probably my only purchase, especially with NBA2K8 coming out in a few weeks. This will tide me over and is a solid game. I don't think it's a revolutionary breakthrough in hockey games. Maybe that's just me an my lack of hockey knowledge. I could be way off base here.

It's hockey and games like that happen. Bump it up to AS difficulty to "really" play the game like it was meant to be played. That's when the stick collision gets turned on as well as the CPU AI gets kicked up.

[TroyF]

Mizzou,

Cmon man, my hockey knowledge isn't exceptional, but I should be able to know why I'm getting my ass kicked or kicking ass. I've played some games this morning, including a couple on all star. Same thing. I can't tell the difference in my teams play if I win 3-2 or lose 8-1. I should be able to realize that I made some bad passes, rushed some shots, etc. I can't. One game I get 30+ shots while my opponent is dominated, the next I get 8 and my opponent dominates me.

Oh well.

[CraigSca]

I've now learned that my strategy of nothing but one-timers simply doesn't work. You have to do other stuff or you won't score goals.

Thanks, I'll have to give that a shot. (no pun intended)

[rowech]

I've come to the conclusion that I either suck or this games AI really is as good as advertised. There are games where I barely even get shots off because of how good the defense is that I'm playing. Four games into a dynasty and I've restarted already. I have the thing set on All-Star but might have to scale back to Pro. Typical losses are 4-1 or 5-1. I did have a 3-2 loss in there.

[MizzouRah]

Mizzou,

Cmon man, my hockey knowledge isn't exceptional, but I should be able to know why I'm getting my ass kicked or kicking ass. I've played some games this morning, including a couple on all star. Same thing. I can't tell the difference in my teams play if I win 3-2 or lose 8-1. I should be able to realize that I made some bad passes, rushed some shots, etc. I can't. One game I get 30+ shots while my opponent is dominated, the next I get 8 and my opponent dominates me.

Oh well.

I don't understand what the problem is? It's hockey.. I see the Blues dominate a team like the Blackhawks in RL 4-1 and then the next game, they lose 6-0.

In the game, when I play the Rangers, I know I have to be on my game, if it's the Blue Jackets, I can make more mistakes. It's a game of constant action, up and down the ice. Something could happen at any given moment.

There is so much action, anything can change the outcome of a game. Football and Baseball have easy to pick out game changing moments, hockey.. not so much.

[MizzouRah]

I've come to the conclusion that I either suck or this games AI really is as good as advertised. There are games where I barely even get shots off because of how good the defense is that I'm playing. Four games into a dynasty and I've restarted already. I have the thing set on All-Star but might have to scale back to Pro. Typical losses are 4-1 or 5-1. I did have a 3-2 loss in there.

I've played a bunch of games on Pro and now I'm playing on AS, but playing against AHL teams to learn the game on this difficulty setting. It's definitely a much different game this year.

[Mike Lowe]

Franchise impressions?

[rowech]

Franchise impressions?

I fiddled just with what I started and there seemed to be a nice amount there. Nothing overwhelming, just basic free agents, waivers, trades, drafting, etc. I was able to trade for Crosby giving up Igilna and someone else (a good center) so I'm not sure how great that is.

[TurnerONU22]

In the game, when I play the Rangers, I know I have to be on my game, if it's the Blue Jackets, I can make more mistakes.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I started my dynasty as the Jackets on Superstar, lost 4-1 to Anaheim,, lost 5-2 to Dallas, but then got my first two wins against....you guessed it, the Blues!! :)

I'm starting a dynasty at some point in the next day or two, as I usually play 1 game, sim 3, so that way I play about 20 games each season.

[Ajaxab]

Mizzou,

Cmon man, my hockey knowledge isn't exceptional, but I should be able to know why I'm getting my ass kicked or kicking ass.

So you're saying it's a lot like FOF2k7. ;)

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I started my dynasty as the Jackets on Superstar, lost 4-1 to Anaheim,, lost 5-2 to Dallas, but then got my first two wins against....you guessed it, the Blues!! :)

I'm starting a dynasty at some point in the next day or two, as I usually play 1 game, sim 3, so that way I play about 20 games each season.

Wow, on SS with the Jackets? Good luck! ;)

I'm going to start my franchise soon - I need more playing time.

[nilodor]

So does anyone have any tips on winning faceoffs? I'm winning at best 1 in 5.

[rowech]

I wonder if anyone has tips on scoring goals....even so much as just getting more shots off.

[Icy]

So does anyone have any tips on winning faceoffs? I'm winning at best 1 in 5.

In the demo, i was not able to win a faceoff at first, I was pushing up the right stick while pulling down the left stick pointing to the player who i want to send the puck.

Then i tried pulling the right stick down at the correct time (and also the left stick in the direction of the player i want to pass to) and now i can win almost as much as the CPU team, not sure if it really helps or if i just time it better that way.

[TroyF]

I think I'll just exit the thread. I'm not one of the guy shaving a ton of fun with the game. I've played over 20 games now. While it's a pretty game and it has a lot of nice things going for it, I'm missing 2K more and more with each passing moment. Admittedly, I've always been a 2K fan, so maybe it's just bias or preference. Not going to say otherwise.

My problems with '08? I'm missing the little things. Why can't I have my F play a double shift and switch out the defenseman? Why have I played 20 games and the net hasn't come off the hinges one time and not a single stick has been broken or even fell from the hands of a player? Why. . . nevermind. :)

Nobody judge their views of the game by me. I'm not a hockey nut by any stretch and that could be playing into my opinions. I freely admit it. Hope everyone else enjoys the game.

[rowech]

I think I'll just exit the thread. I'm not one of the guy shaving a ton of fun with the game. I've played over 20 games now. While it's a pretty game and it has a lot of nice things going for it, I'm missing 2K more and more with each passing moment. Admittedly, I've always been a 2K fan, so maybe it's just bias or preference. Not going to say otherwise.

My problems with '08? I'm missing the little things. Why can't I have my F play a double shift and switch out the defenseman? Why have I played 20 games and the net hasn't come off the hinges one time and not a single stick has been broken or even fell from the hands of a player? Why. . . nevermind. :)

Nobody judge their views of the game by me. I'm not a hockey nut by any stretch and that could be playing into my opinions. I freely admit it. Hope everyone else enjoys the game.

If you like 2k sports better, that to me can be the only reason not to like this game. I've never been a hockey fan but I love this game. To me anyway, there is not one major flaw to it at all. Everything is very minor, opinion/preference kind of stuff.

[MizzouRah]

I think I'll just exit the thread. I'm not one of the guy shaving a ton of fun with the game. I've played over 20 games now. While it's a pretty game and it has a lot of nice things going for it, I'm missing 2K more and more with each passing moment. Admittedly, I've always been a 2K fan, so maybe it's just bias or preference. Not going to say otherwise.

My problems with '08? I'm missing the little things. Why can't I have my F play a double shift and switch out the defenseman? Why have I played 20 games and the net hasn't come off the hinges one time and not a single stick has been broken or even fell from the hands of a player? Why. . . nevermind. :)

Nobody judge their views of the game by me. I'm not a hockey nut by any stretch and that could be playing into my opinions. I freely admit it. Hope everyone else enjoys the game.

To each their own Troy. I'm sure NHL 2k8 plays a great game of hockey. I'm not sure I'll like the controls, but we'll see once a demo comes out.

Heck, Bill Abner is liking 2k8. ;)

[Joe Canadian]

Since I spend the majority of my time in the franchise mode, I went with 2K8... I have not played NHL 08, so I have no idea what that game is like. Personally I like it. The controls are very nice.

Here's the thing, I never understood what was so great with 07's shot stick, or whatever it's called. The flicking of the stick seemed awkward to me, while the stick control in 2k8 seems intuitive... you pick it up use the stick for deking back and forth, and just use your bumpers for shoot and pass. The one thing I don't like about the 2K8 is the combo special moves... it feels too arcady to me. YMMV. My hands feel incredibly comfortable in the new position on the controler... so beyond the combo moves, I don't see why everyone is griping on new controls.

From what I've seen, the franchise mode is as advertised, super deep. The new negotiating with agents is a fun little mini-game to play. Each time you go to negotiate a contract you'll find a line like this:

|----------/----------|
Green / Red

Half the line is green, which represents the amount the owner is comfrotable spending on the player. The Red side represents what the player wants, or is comfortable getting. You negotiate back and forth, being carefull not to lowball too much or the player will walk out, and you'll have to wait till another day to get back to the table. And you can walk out too, if you're pissed the the player wants too much. Sometimes if you go to walk, he'll cave to your last offer. Again, it's a cool little feature.

The problem I have with it is that so far (I'll get to why I'm saying, so far, later) it's rather easy to get the player to come to the green side of that line. Even when the Agents says prior to talks commencing, that the player doesn't like negotiating and knows what he's worth. So it's pretty easy to please your owner by saving money. And players, IMO, come back to the table too quickly. They walk out on a monday, and the very next day they're "ready to talk" again. Sometimes they'll wait two days, but I haven't seen anything longer than that.

Commentating is great... Cole & Neal make it feel like you're watching a game on the CBC. Sometimes they can be awkward in real life, so when it pops up in the game, like it does in every sports game, it somehow feels right... and I find myself laughing at it, but in a good way.

Now onto my problem. The game has a bug, I'm on my second copy now... and it's still in there, and I've tried it in multiple 360's. When I enter franchise mode, and go to fast sim a season... I get to the end of November and the game freezes. Stops working completly. I'm not sure what EB is going to say when I go there tomorrow and say I want my money back... I'm not exchanging a broken game for another broken game. We'll see.

I figure I'll rent 08, see how that plays... and either get that or just throw the money towards my Halo 3 preorder. It sucks becuase I do really enjoy the game, and would absolutly love to get into the offseason of the franchise mode...

BTW, has anyone seen this bug reported elsewhere?

[MizzouRah]

Yes, I've seen that bug being reported over at OS and 2k sports forums.

Might want to hold onto your copy as I would think 2k sports will probably patch it sometime soon.

[Icy]

As Mizzou said, the November freeze bug has been reported at every forum, including EA ones. I think i have read, that if you turn off computer trading or something like that just before the freeze, then it doesn't happen, and you can put it back again once the date is past. I'll search for it again as i don't remember the exact details.

[Icy]

Dola, the freeze is on Nov and here is the quote from ops forums:

If it does freeze on you, just take CPU trading OFF and it wont happen. After passing that hump, put it back on.

[Icy]

Double dola, here you can find more details about the fix, quoted from 2khockey.net forums. Some posts after this one confirm that it does work perfectly.


I have found out how to fix the franchise freezing issue in November, or whatever month it is for you. I have only tested it using November 24th, because that is the day it freezes for me on my franchise.

BEFORE you play or sim that day, go to options and set CPU trading to OFF.

I have tested this countless times on my franchise that freeses on November 24th. If I try to sim or play the game it will freeze, but if i go to options and set CPU TRADING OFF, I can then play or sim this day/game freeze free!!!

Hopefully this will work for everyone, it has fixed my 2k8 franchise and now I can play once again.

Unfortunately it seems that if you try and turn CPU trading back on, that you will eventually freeze, so keep it off until the trade deadline. After the trade deadline you can turn it back on and it will work next season.

[MizzouRah]

After playing many.. many.. games yesterday, all is not rose colored glasses with NHL 08.

There are times on AS when I feel helpless against the CPU offense. They cycle the puck with precision and my CPU controlled guys just sit there while my goalie takes shot after shot. I figured something would finally click and I would figure out what I needed to do to lessen the barage of shots by the CPU teams. So far, I haven't a clue. AHL teams are beating the shit out of me right now on AS.

I'm testing some sliders, but I'm not sure they have much effect.

[DeToxRox]

After playing many.. many.. games yesterday, all is not rose colored glasses with NHL 08.

There are times on AS when I feel helpless against the CPU offense. They cycle the puck with precision and my CPU controlled guys just sit there while my goalie takes shot after shot. I figured something would finally click and I would figure out what I needed to do to lessen the barage of shots by the CPU teams. So far, I haven't a clue. AHL teams are beating the shit out of me right now on AS.

I'm testing some sliders, but I'm not sure they have much effect.

What defensive strategy does your team use?

[rowech]

After learning I suck, I finally knocked it down to pro level. I'm finally competitive but still losing. Typically 4-3, 3-2 type games.

[MizzouRah]

What defensive strategy does your team use?

I think "protect the net", but I'm not positive if that's all the time.

[TroyF]

After playing many.. many.. games yesterday, all is not rose colored glasses with NHL 08.

There are times on AS when I feel helpless against the CPU offense. They cycle the puck with precision and my CPU controlled guys just sit there while my goalie takes shot after shot. I figured something would finally click and I would figure out what I needed to do to lessen the barage of shots by the CPU teams. So far, I haven't a clue. AHL teams are beating the shit out of me right now on AS.

I'm testing some sliders, but I'm not sure they have much effect.

Play a second game against the same team and you'll find that it's you who dominates while they sit and look like idiots. It's what I was trying to say yesterday. I have NO idea what I'm doing wrong in the games I get pounded and NO idea what I'm doing right in the games I destroy the opposition.

If you find out what the hell is going on, I'm all ears.

[Sweed]

D'loaded the demo and it is a lot of fun. Never owned a console hockey game but played about 6 games and won about half of them one on a shootout. I've got to say I really like the controls for the game. The stick makes the game "feel" good to me on the offensive end. Still trying to figure out the defensive controls, so can't really comment on those.


Trouble is with nba 2k8 coming out shortly I don't know where I'd get the time to play NHL with both games having 80+ game schedules. However if Madden doesn't come out with a patch that fixes AI turnovers, especially ints (IIRC I'm +20something on turnovers after 7 games in my current Rams franchise game), I may trade it in for nhl08.

Just curious, how many minute periods do you guys play to get realistic stats?
And how long does it take for you to play out a game?

[DeToxRox]

Play a second game against the same team and you'll find that it's you who dominates while they sit and look like idiots. It's what I was trying to say yesterday. I have NO idea what I'm doing wrong in the games I get pounded and NO idea what I'm doing right in the games I destroy the opposition.

If you find out what the hell is going on, I'm all ears.

I played a home and home set vs the Ducks and I think there is variance, much as in real life, on how a team plays day to day. It's imparitive to pay attention to the post period scouting reports because otherwise you're going to be in a lot of trouble. If it says keep guys to the outside then make sure you take away the middle of the ice on the breakouts. If it says play a more aggressive forecheck, get on them hard, do some dump and chase. This stuff all works. It definetly helps if you have a hockey background because this isn't a game you can just try and be free and creative.

[MizzouRah]

I played a home and home set vs the Ducks and I think there is variance, much as in real life, on how a team plays day to day. It's imparitive to pay attention to the post period scouting reports because otherwise you're going to be in a lot of trouble. If it says keep guys to the outside then make sure you take away the middle of the ice on the breakouts. If it says play a more aggressive forecheck, get on them hard, do some dump and chase. This stuff all works. It definetly helps if you have a hockey background because this isn't a game you can just try and be free and creative.

You're on to something for sure. I've never really messed with defensive or offensive strategies before. Last game I finally WON! I did it by using mostly "high pressure" on defense and when I needed a goal - an all out attack.

There is promise.

[TroyF]

If I were talking about back to backs in franchise mode, it'd be one thing. I'm talking about back to back games with the same home team and no fatigue. I'm talking about how with the same strategies, my team looks like a bunch of fourth graders one game and the all universe team the next. This is through full games, not one period here or one period there. I'm having some 4-3, 3-2, 2-1 games. I'm having a hell of a lot more 6-2, 5-1, 8-0 games. This is on either all-pro or pro, against good teams and bad.

If I was altering my strategy every series, tweaking my lineups, changing things up every couple of minutes and I was getting that varied of results, I'm good. When I don't alter anything and get this wide of a scope between games, I'm concerned about the engine.

Let me know if it works Mizzou. I'm holding onto it for a little while longer, but I'm losing hope fast.

[rowech]

I've always felt most sports games have built in variance in player ratings from game to game.

[DeToxRox]

Just had a sickening game vs the Sharks. Frolov was on fire, had 2 goals and 2 assists, but we were down 6-5. We manage to tie it up on a Kopitar goal with a pulled goalie and went into a shootout. First six shooters all scored then the goalies played well. My 9th shooter, Kyle Calder came in with the chance to win it and buried a quick snap shot off the inside of the post, over Nabakov's blocker shoulder to win it.

Just phenominal.

[WSR]

Anyone try playing online or try the online leagues?

I've played a couple 2 on 2 games, and they were a blast. We locked the players we controlled, and it really proved to be challenging to resist the urge to chase the puck all over the ice.

[MizzouRah]

VERY EARLY rental impressions (2k8).

Forget anything you've learned from NHL 08 as far as control goes. It's very early, but couldn't they just have copied NHL 08's scheme. I don't like thus far, but I need more time to adjust to it. (which sucks because it's a rental and there is no manual for it - just the in game help, I need a quick reference quide)

It's a totally different experience than NHL 08 and I honestly think that's a good thing as I like how it plays a nice game of hockey, but it feels really different. The camera is different, but I like how it gives different views of the action, I like how the presentation is typical 2k sports, the commentary so far hasn't been bad, etc...

I'm really going to play it some more tonight, but there's a lot to like here... I'm just not sure there's enought to make me play it over NHL 08.

[Icy]

VERY EARLY rental impressions (2k8).

Forget anything you've learned from NHL 08 as far as control goes. It's very early, but couldn't they just have copied NHL 08's scheme. I don't like thus far, but I need more time to adjust to it. (which sucks because it's a rental and there is no manual for it - just the in game help, I need a quick reference quide)

It's a totally different experience than NHL 08 and I honestly think that's a good thing as I like how it plays a nice game of hockey, but it feels really different. The camera is different, but I like how it gives different views of the action, I like how the presentation is typical 2k sports, the commentary so far hasn't been bad, etc...

I'm really going to play it some more tonight, but there's a lot to like here... I'm just not sure there's enought to make me play it over NHL 08.

If you have time, please take a look and review the franchise mode as that is what interests me the most (of course also if the gameplay is good enough).

[MizzouRah]

If you have time, please take a look and review the franchise mode as that is what interests me the most (of course also if the gameplay is good enough).

Will do Icy.

[Fidatelo]

So I broke down and bought a 360 this weekend, along with NHL 08. I've played about 11 games of a dynasty using Phoenix on All Star, and I've won twice, lost 5, and lost in overtime/shootout another 4. Definitely a tough game, but its hard to tell how much of that is the general crapiness of the Coyotes.

I've really learned that you need to play very good defense. There are times the CPU starts cycling in my zone and gets me running around, and of course I pay for it. If I'm calm and stay in the lanes, things usually, but not always, work out ok. Which seems pretty realistic to me.

I've played several online games against friends as well, and those are an absolute blast. Me and 4 of my friends are setting up an online league and that should be a tonne of fun.

Overall this is by far the best sports game ever made. It has definitely taken me back to the days of NHL '94 in terms of fun.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I am such a sick man. I am seriously considering going out and buying another 360 just because I'm too impatient to wait for Microsoft to repair/replace the one that died. I'm sure that I won't actually go and do it, as I won't have any use for two 360s when I get the one back from Microsoft, but damn. I miss playing NHL 08 already. :(

[MizzouRah]

I am such a sick man. I am seriously considering going out and buying another 360 just because I'm too impatient to wait for Microsoft to repair/replace the one that died. I'm sure that I won't actually go and do it, as I won't have any use for two 360s when I get the one back from Microsoft, but damn. I miss playing NHL 08 already. :(

Use the 90 Walmart return policy. :D

[MizzouRah]

Once I started using the D and O tactics, the game started to become fun again. (NHL 08)

I also love how much bigger the rinks are in NHL 08 vs NHL 2k8.

However, once I learn the 2k8 controls, I think it has fun factor potential.

[Eaglesfan27]

I am such a sick man. I am seriously considering going out and buying another 360 just because I'm too impatient to wait for Microsoft to repair/replace the one that died. I'm sure that I won't actually go and do it, as I won't have any use for two 360s when I get the one back from Microsoft, but damn. I miss playing NHL 08 already. :(

If my 360 breaks down, especially if it happens after the newer more reliable units are out (rumors say they are starting to filter into retail channels this month), I would likely buy a new 360 to fill in the gap while I waited for mine to return. I'd then sell the old one once it was repaired.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Use the 90 Walmart return policy. :D
Walmart AI let do that???

If my 360 breaks down, especially if it happens after the newer more reliable units are out (rumors say they are starting to filter into retail channels this month), I would likely buy a new 360 to fill in the gap while I waited for mine to return. I'd then sell the old one once it was repaired.
This isn't a terrible idea. I'm just not sure that I'd want to go through the process of trying to sell the old one. On top of that, I just wouldn't know for sure right now if I'd be getting a more reliable one or the old not-so-reliable one. Obviously, I don't want to take that chance after the issue I'm going through now.

Anyway, I'll try to cut down on my whining. I'm certainly not the first person that this has happened to. :)

[MikeVic]

Walmart AI let do that???


This isn't a terrible idea. I'm just not sure that I'd want to go through the process of trying to sell the old one. On top of that, I just wouldn't know for sure right now if I'd be getting a more reliable one or the old not-so-reliable one. Obviously, I don't want to take that chance after the issue I'm going through now.

Anyway, I'll try to cut down on my whining. I'm certainly not the first person that this has happened to. :)

Hey, I got a solution. I'll take the extra one off your hands. I don't have mone though, so I'll offer a smile instead. Deal? kthxbye.

[Maple Leafs]

So after playing a few more games over the weekend, I'm officially done with NHL08... on all-star level, at least.

I'm with MizzouRah on this one. The offensive "AI" everyone is raving about gets a little too conveniently good at certain times. The whole experience reminds me a lot of some recent versions of Madden. When it first comes out, everyone would rave about the defensive AI -- "oh, you need to be on your toes, if you make a sloppy play they'll burn you, etc". And then after a week or two you realized that there were actually too many INTs, the DBs could pick the ball off without seeing it, and the ball would curve in mid-air to get to them.

In other words, the end result (tougher defensive players) was the right one, but it wasn't achieved through any sort of realistic "AI" at all -- it was just programmed to get unreasonably hard whenever it needed to.

NHL08 is the same way. I'm sorry, but if I have to read about how realistic this new AI is one more time I'm going to scream. Having the cpu's best player stand in the slot by themselves, while a defensive player stands a few feet away and makes no effort to touch them and/or deflect a pass that goes right by them, is not realistic. It's just dumb. Again, the end result may be fine (tougher opponents) but don't call it AI.

Add on the at times ridiculously tough defensive AI and I'm done with it. I think I could handle one or the other, but not both. It's not a lot of fun to only get six or seven shots a period (not counting the third period, when I get two because the AI "adjusts" and starts picking off every pass and blocking evey shot), but at least I feel like I'd get better at that over time. But I'm not going to spend hours learning how to score one or two goals a game when my gut feeling is that would just trigger the offensive "AI" to go into superman mode again to even the score.

So basically, I've switched to "Pro", I've played four close games, I'm able to crack the magical 20-shot barrier, and I'm having fun again. I'll stick with this, I think, and let others put their nose to the grindstone on the higher levels. This game is still great fun to play against other people, including online. I'm just done with the "ultra-realistic AI" that isn't.

[Fidatelo]

One adjustment I made on All-Star is to turn down the AI Learning by two notches from the left. It makes the third period more bearable, as I was getting smothered by them all the time as well.

I'm not sure I agree that the game has a pre-programmed superman mode. When your computer teammates are standing around, what is the score? What is the current strategy?

[rowech]

I'm getting into dynasty mode now and am wondering if people have found a way to change the goalie at all. Also, do you think there is goalie fatigue throughout a season?

[Maple Leafs]

I'm getting into dynasty mode now and am wondering if people have found a way to change the goalie at all.
It's on the last "edit lines" screen.

[MizzouRah]

During a game, you can only change the goalie during a stoppage in play.

[Maple Leafs]

Since we're asking questions...

I'm new to online play. Is there any way to set your lines/roster before an online game? Can I set Toronto up the way I want it prior to looking for a game? I ask because the Leafs default roster for some reason excludes Jason Blake -- he's on the team, but he's scratched. They also have Peca and O'Neil for some reason.

I've tried setting the lines, but then when I try to play online I end up being forced to download new default rosters that have the same problem. Am I just stuck with the bad rosters until EA figures out they screwed up the most popular team?

[Mateo]

I love it.

I'm just waiting for the final rosters to be released.

[Nugget699]

I'm really getting stuck with my games now. I'm getting enought shots but my scouting report always seems to say "Change/Use differant strategies". Can anyone give me some other ideas to try when attacking, these are the ones i'm mainly using atm:

1. Passing the puck around, mainly on the blue line and then shooting with a D man and trying for the follow-up

2. Getting a 2-on-1 rush, passing across and one-timing it

3. Going behind the goal and waiting for an open man from the forward line to have a one-timer.

I just can't for the life of me think of anything else to try, the amount of my shots that are one-timers is getting ebyond ridiculous now. I'm struggling to kill off games on Rookie mode.

[WSR]

I played a tight game last night and saw something weird. It was 4-4 with 30 seconds left in the 3rd Period. Anaheim had the puck, entered my Kings zone, passed a couple times, then shot the puck. A player (didn't bother looking at who it was) deflected the puck with what appeared to be a high stick. The puck proceeded to go about two feet above the crossbar, only to change directions in midair and go into the net. I was shocked/pissed. So, with 3.1 seconds left in the game, the AI decided I needed to lose and forced the puck into the net.

Anyone else see strange animations like this?

[MizzouRah]

There is a patch in the works, one fix mentions the OT point issue. Good news!

Nugget699,

Use the X - defense and B - offense and change strategies during play if you are having a tough time scoring or they are scoring on you. This definitely works for me.

[TurnerONU22]

I'm really getting stuck with my games now. I'm getting enought shots but my scouting report always seems to say "Change/Use differant strategies". Can anyone give me some other ideas to try when attacking, these are the ones i'm mainly using atm:

1. Passing the puck around, mainly on the blue line and then shooting with a D man and trying for the follow-up

2. Getting a 2-on-1 rush, passing across and one-timing it

3. Going behind the goal and waiting for an open man from the forward line to have a one-timer.

I just can't for the life of me think of anything else to try, the amount of my shots that are one-timers is getting ebyond ridiculous now. I'm struggling to kill off games on Rookie mode.

I would say to try to know what line you are playing with. If you have the 4th line in, then try to score some sloppy goals (i.e. rebounds). But if you have the 1st line in, then use some passing and skating to get the defense out of position, then get into the slot area and shoot and it doesn't have to be a one timer either.

I usually try to go behind the net, pass to the point, then get it to one of the wingers and pull a D-man from out of the net. Then work it back around and usually you'll have generated some room underneath.

I have found that the best strategy is getting it to your go-to guy. In my case, its Rick Nash. I'll do what I can to get the puck to him with some space and let him come crashing to the net.

Also, one thing I have done is set the shot aim to "auto". I think it helps score more when I am close, just like it should be in real life. I would say to try those and see if that helps.

[TurnerONU22]

I'm about 48 games or so into my dynasty (about 12 real played games) and here's how I feel:

- You MUST turn the defense strategy to "high pressure" if you want to have any chance of stopping the offense, especially on Superstar. I feel that it puts a stop to the tic-tac-toe passing that the CPU does very well. However, your D-men are likely to come out from the net in this case, so make sure that you help out down there, just like in real life.

- I had to turn the shot aim to 'auto', to help with my shots. I kept shooting in the same two places in the top of the net and the same place at the bottom, especially when I am 'going down' on the screen. When I did this, I noticed that I got more garbage goals in front, just like real life and I scored more in front of the net.

- Know who is out on the ice for both sides. Get their top line off of the ice ASAP, and get your 4th line off of the ice ASAP. I usually do this by getting shots and forcing faceoffs for line changes. If I don't, then I know I will get scored on.

- Don't play the D-man on defense, play with a forward. This way, you can block the shots from the point or at least force their d-man from walking in. Also, you can help in the slot area, in which the CPU loves to score from.

- On offense, generate space!!! Do this by passing it around and pulling the defensemen out of the net area. I can't tell you how much that this helped me to score, when I finally got some space within 10 feet.

I am actually winning games now on Superstar, but not that often. I played the Preds yesterday, went up 3-1 and then got scored on twice in the 3rd. In OT, I scored a nice goal by beating the d-man and putting it through the 5-hole to win 4-3. Its still not all easy though, because I got beat 4-1 the game before against LA when they just played much tighter defense against me, and I could never get any space.

[Maple Leafs]

Is anyone seeing any goals scored on rebounds? Most shots seems to be gobbled up by the goalies, and the rare rebounds that the offense collects end up being shoveled right back into the goalie (usually before you even realize you have the puck). I think I've seen one rebound goal, and not one scramble of any significance. This would seem to make shots from the point, and crashing the net, a lot less effective...

I did play a guy online who's strategy seemed to be taking low shots from the boards off the rush and trying to get a rebound with an open net (good to see the strategies from Sporttime's Superstar Ice Hockey can still be used today) but I'm talking about rebounds in the normal flow of a game.