Bowl Bound College Football Price Cut

[Arles]

Grey Dog Software today announces it is lowering the price of Bowl Bound College Football to $29.95 USD. Bowl Bound College Football’s discount is not a seasonal or limited time promotion, but will remain as a permanent offer.

So, check out the free demo (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/downloads.php?id=61) once again or grab the game today our webstore (https://www.elicense.com/greydogsoftware/store/index.asp) . Now's the time to get your college football fix with the season approaching!

[Bee]

What's going to be the next release from Grey Dog Software?

[cartman]

And there is still time to join the FOFC-BBCF league as well! :)

[Arles]

What's going to be the next release from Grey Dog Software?
We currently have Adam's MMA game, Brian's pro basketball and pro football all in the works right now.

[Icy]

You guys should try it again if you haven't for a while. Lots of bug fixes and new additions after a few patches made it a fully new experience.

[Bee]

You guys should try it again if you haven't for a while. Lots of bug fixes and new additions after a few patches made it a fully new experience.

It's funny you mention that, I was deleting a bunch of old games off my harddrive just last night and was planning on checking on patches and mods for this game over the weekend. Of course, after reading Radii's latest dynasty of FBCB, I might be torn on which game to resurrect. :D

[Emiliano]

Nice move, Arlie. I strongly encourage those who had never tried the game to do it. It's a very, very nice game. Oh, and the FOFC-BBCF is a great league by the way! ;)

[Antmeister]

Okay, I have to look at this game again. After talking with cartman about this recently, I am itching to join a college MP league.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Okay, I have to look at this game again. After talking with cartman about this recently, I am itching to join a college MP league.
If you join the league, I'm joining, too. That way, we can make your wife relay trash talk messages between us. That's what she seems to do for WOOF sometimes.

[Emiliano]

Okay, I have to look at this game again. After talking with cartman about this recently, I am itching to join a college MP league.

Come join the Big 10 Ant!

[Antmeister]

If you join the league, I'm joining, too. That way, we can make your wife relay trash talk messages between us. That's what she seems to do for WOOF sometimes.

LOL! I'm sorry, I am not much of an IM guy. I tend to limit communication to phone and email. DC on the other hand does the texting, paging, phone, IM, PM, email, shoe phone, string on cans, etc.

[Pumpy Tudors]

LOL! I'm sorry, I am not much of an IM guy. I tend to limit communication to phone and email. DC on the other hand does the texting, paging, phone, IM, PM, email, shoe phone, string on cans, etc.
Please, let's leave her cans out of this...

oh.

[Antmeister]

Come join the Big 10 Ant!

I was thinking more along the lines of SDSU in the Mountain West, but if there is a lot of competition in the Big 10, I may reconsider.

[Antmeister]

Please, let's leave her cans out of this...

oh.

Oh, no you didn't. I am going to relay a message to DC when you are on IM again to discuss my disapproval of your most recent comments. :D

[dj_morton]

how much was it before?

[Antmeister]

how much was it before?

I believe it was $34.95.

[Kodos]

I believe it was $304.95.


Sounds more impressive now. ;)

[Comey]

Three good leagues out there I know of:

www.fofc-bbcf.com (Cartman's league)

www.gridiron-glory.net (Mark Cooley's league, has over 100 ADs, is part of TotalSportsWorld)

www.theacfa.net (Fictional collegiate league, feeds into NFLSim, part of TotalSportsWorld)

GG is the biggest, and most immersive league, I've ever been in (I may be biased, due to the radio show Mark and I do). Cartman's league is also very well run, and have built up a great history as well. The ACFA is new, which means you can get in on the ground floor and start from scratch.

I don't think you can go wrong either way.

[Capital]

You guys should try it again if you haven't for a while. Lots of bug fixes and new additions after a few patches made it a fully new experience.

Funny...I had just found the latest patch last night and downloaded it. I have seen this statement from others on the boards. I'm still debating whether I want to use conference movement - maybe on the lowest level.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I believe it was $304.95.
Heyyyy, 4 cents cheaper than Maximum Football...

[Kodos]

What's the learning curve like on this game? Less formidable than FOF?

[Antmeister]

Three good leagues out there I know of:

www.fofc-bbcf.com (http://www.fofc-bbcf.com) (Cartman's league)

www.gridiron-glory.net (http://www.gridiron-glory.net) (Mark Cooley's league, has over 100 ADs, is part of TotalSportsWorld)

www.theacfa.net (http://www.theacfa.net) (Fictional collegiate league, feeds into NFLSim, part of TotalSportsWorld)

GG is the biggest, and most immersive league, I've ever been in (I may be biased, due to the radio show Mark and I do). Cartman's league is also very well run, and have built up a great history as well. The ACFA is new, which means you can get in on the ground floor and start from scratch.

I don't think you can go wrong either way.

For me, I gotta go with cartman if I were to join. I am definitely biased, however. :D

[cartman]

For me, I gotta go with cartman if I were to join. I am definitely biased, however. :D

Represent!
Testify!

:D

[st.cronin]

What's the learning curve like on this game? Less formidable than FOF?

It seems pretty straightforward to me. Gameplanning isn't particularly intuitive, and is actually kind of a pain in the ass to do yourself (but no more so than FOF).

[AZSpeechCoach]

But Ant, if you join this, who will read Modern Girl Friday? :D

[st.cronin]

Antmeister, join me and Groundhog in the Mountain West!

[path12]

It seems pretty straightforward to me. Gameplanning isn't particularly intuitive, and is actually kind of a pain in the ass to do yourself (but no more so than FOF).

Is there a default/recommend for gameplans? I had the demo when it first came out but got busy and it timed out before I could do much with it.

I tend to enjoy building/maintaining a team rather than micromanage a gameplan.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I think there are three or four default gameplans for offense and defense. Plus there are 5 or 6 team philosophies to choose from - smash mouth, option, run n shoot, etc. So that gives you 15-20 stock gameplans to run.

[path12]

Cool, thanks. I guess I'll have to pick this up next payday.

[Neuqua]

I'm going to try the demo, been looking for a college football game for a while.

[Antmeister]

But Ant, if you join this, who will read Modern Girl Friday? :D

LOL....that site will be my morning paper before I head off to coach my team to victory (okay, maybe I am exaggerating on actually winning much).

[Antmeister]

Antmeister, join me and Groundhog in the Mountain West!

If you can guarantee that I can kick your arse every season, I am in. :p

[Arles]

What's the learning curve like on this game? Less formidable than FOF?
In addition to the gameplan replies, there's also a "task list screen" that links you to each item you need to deal with each week. It's a nice way for new players to quickly learn what each week entails. There's also options to set any of 9 individual items to be run by the AI or even turn off completely things like academics.

[Kodos]

Thanks for the info, guys.

[Passacaglia]

I love the offensive playbooks for gameplanning. I've kind of defaulted for defense, though.

[Kodos]

And the default gameplans work pretty well? So is it mostly a recruiting sim?

[Dr. Sak]

I usually default for the gameplanning but I'll set my own depth charts, manage my recruiting, and schedule the out of conference games.

[Passacaglia]

They work pretty well, but I think I can see a difference in the offense that I've used playbooks for.

[bob]

How many computers can you install this on with one purchase? I know the most recent version of FOF i have let you install on 2 machines.

[Emiliano]

How many computers can you install this on with one purchase? I know the most recent version of FOF i have let you install on 2 machines.

2 licenses for every purchase.

[Arles]

How many computers can you install this on with one purchase? I know the most recent version of FOF i have let you install on 2 machines.
You can install it on 2 PCs. However, you can "relicense". This means you unlicense it on one PC (through the control panel) and use that license on another. For instance, there are people that will unlicense their PC and license a family PC they use on vacation (and swap back after).

The goal here is to try to avoid multiple people using the same license. But, there are options for people that have 2-3 PCs (you just need to use the elicense control panel options).

[SirFozzie]

I should update the game and get back into FOFC-BBCF (that and FOFC-FBCB).. is BC still available?

[A-Husker-4-Life]

I use the playbook and pick the plays. It makes the game much better and you can target a guy you want to throw it to. Also, it saves your playbook every year so you don't have to recreate it.

[Antmeister]

Okay, I ended up playing the demo until 1:30 this morning. It took a little while to get used to getting around, but that task list does help out tremendously.

And I have to admit that I like the recruiting at the end of the season rather than during. Because I can easily see how there would just be too much to do in a MP enviroment if you had to do that all year round. In fact, the game did not feel tedious at all. The emails give a wealth of information and they are just informal enough to feel real.

Very, very impressed with how far this came from the last demo I played moons ago, so I am either going to purchase it today or tomorrow.

Cartman, I hope you have a spot open in your league and that the season didn't start yet, because I think I may take over the Aztecs and take on the likes of st.cronin and Groundhog.

[Emiliano]

Guys: this (http://www.fofc-bbcf.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=103) is the official list of teams. Sorry Foz, BC is claimed. But there are a lot of teams available.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, I ended up playing the demo until 1:30 this morning. It took a little while to get used to getting around, but that task list does help out tremendously.

And I have to admit that I like the recruiting at the end of the season rather than during. Because I can easily see how there would just be too much to do in a MP enviroment if you had to do that all year round. In fact, the game did not feel tedious at all. The emails give a wealth of information and they are just informal enough to feel real.

Very, very impressed with how far this came from the last demo I played moons ago, so I am either going to purchase it today or tomorrow.

Cartman, I hope you have a spot open in your league and that the season didn't start yet, because I think I may take over the Aztecs and take on the likes of st.cronin and Groundhog.

I think your timing is perfect -- the first stage of recruiting is due Sunday.

[SnDvls]

Cartman, I hope you have a spot open in your league and that the season didn't start yet, because I think I may take over the Aztecs and take on the likes of st.cronin and Groundhog.


recruiting is about to start so jump in quickly

SDSU is open too...previous owner jumped to Minnesota

[Icy]

Damn you Arlie and all the other posters. As i'm leaving for holidays on Monday and when i get back in August, NCAA08 will be waiting for me at the postman, i didn't want to start to play any serious text sim gamming but i can't resist, going to start a new dynasty right now.

Btw, i'm thinking again about joining the FOFC-BBCF league for my third time, i left it twice in the past so maybe the third will be the good one :D

[Antmeister]

I think your timing is perfect -- the first stage of recruiting is due Sunday.

recruiting is about to start so jump in quickly

SDSU is open too...previous owner jumped to Minnesota

Guys: this (http://www.fofc-bbcf.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=103) is the official list of teams. Sorry Foz, BC is claimed. But there are a lot of teams available.

Thanks for the info guys. I guess it is better to buy sooner than later then. The recruitng is what kept me up fo most of the night.

[Antmeister]

Oh and another question. Are you guys using the Bowl system or the bracketed playoffs?

[st.cronin]

Playoffs.

[Antmeister]

Playoffs.

Yes! I was trying that out in the demo and I much prefer the playoffs. Thanks for the quick response and hopefully I will crush you in the near future. :D

[Kodos]

Playoffs.

Playoffs?!?





Figured I'd get the obligatory reference out of the way. :)

[SnDvls]

that is probally the only problem that always has bothered me with BBCF is that you can't slot the at-large teams.

[Capital]

I really wanted an option that used only the 8 GDS teams - I thought that might have been an easy option to program.

[Arles]

You can setup the bowl affiliations (ie, 5th place in Pac 10). You can even set a preference for team (like prefer Hawaii for the Hawaii Bowl). However, the game does require that the teams be bowl eligible.

[Izulde]

So, so tempted to get this now...

[SnDvls]

You can setup the bowl affiliations (ie, 5th place in Pac 10). You can even set a preference for team (like prefer Hawaii for the Hawaii Bowl). However, the game does require that the teams be bowl eligible.

sorry to clarify

I ment for the playoffs. I know you can for bowl games and I've modded them up and down and you can do it year to year as well.

Anyhow Arles made a great game and they have some of the best tech support and response times out there.

[Flasch186]

alright, I cant find my license BUT I'm willing to buy the game again however are there some must downloads for this game, for real life rosters, logos, bowl games, etc.

The one's I see at their forum seem to be outdated unless Im wrong.

[Alan T]

alright, I cant find my license BUT I'm willing to buy the game again however are there some must downloads for this game, for real life rosters, logos, bowl games, etc.

The one's I see at their forum seem to be outdated unless Im wrong.

I couldn't find my license either, but I sent a message to the e-license support people to see if they could help me out. Havent had a response yet though.

[Gallifrey]

I think I am going to go for it now as well. I have been playing the demo, and it has been fun.

[SnDvls]

alright, I cant find my license BUT I'm willing to buy the game again however are there some must downloads for this game, for real life rosters, logos, bowl games, etc.

The one's I see at their forum seem to be outdated unless Im wrong.

Icy did a hell of a real logos pack I'm sure he has it somewhere if not I'm sure I have it at home.

depending on what bowl games you're looking for I have a few newer ones and again Icy has the game defaulted ones.

[Antmeister]

Icy did a hell of a real logos pack I'm sure he has it somewhere if not I'm sure I have it at home.

depending on what bowl games you're looking for I have a few newer ones and again Icy has the game defaulted ones.

Is it the one that links from FOFC-BBCF's main page:
http://www.fofc-bbcf.com/downloads/BBCF-RealPack.exe

[Icy]

The one Anmeister linked has this:

It auto installs the following with a few clicks:

- Real NCAA team names, conferences, awards, rivals, etc database from Icy (pstats 1.6).
The database 1.6 includes the names/surnames mod from Skydog (thanks for your work).
That mod creates a list of USA names/surnames for more realistic spread of player names (based on the real USA census).

- Real logos from Icy (yahoo style)
- Real bowl logos from Inxay

This is how it looks:
http://www.prodeportes.com/bb/installmenu.jpg

Here you can download it too:

http://www.prodeportes.com/bb/BBCF-RealPack.exe

[molson]

Icy is the most important non-developer in text sim history.

[Antmeister]

Alright, got the game. Now it is time to party.

[Groundhog]

I'll echo pretty much everyone else - great game this one, and Cartman's league is a blast.

[path12]

Wow. I just played the demo for four hours straight. This is a fantastic game. I'll be buying it tomorrow.

[Nugget699]

Perhaps i'm an idiot, or both, but I can't seem to find the "outputting to HTML" button in SP. Is this possible?

[Emiliano]

Perhaps i'm an idiot, or both, but I can't seem to find the "outputting to HTML" button in SP. Is this possible?

Options --> Create website. I think...

[Icy]

Icy is the most important non-developer in text sim history.

Heheh thx a lot, i just enjoy doing mods as much as playing the games.

[Nugget699]

Options --> Create website. I think...

I can only see "League Records", "Conf Records", and "Team Records" in that list.

It couldn't have anything to do with me just having the demo and running in SP mode could it?

Outputting the whole League to HTML is vital for me if i'm going to purchase or not.

[Icy]

I can only see "League Records", "Conf Records", and "Team Records" in that list.

It couldn't have anything to do with me just having the demo and running in SP mode could it?

Outputting the whole League to HTML is vital for me if i'm going to purchase or not.

Maybe it's because you are playing the demo? this is a SP game I'm playing and here it is:

Hope this helps :)

http://www.prodeportes.com/bb/website.jpg

[Swaggs]

I'll send out another endorsement for this game.

I haven't played it for awhile, but I really played the hell out of it awhile back and I'm sure I'll go back once I get into college football mode.

One question/complain that I have is that it seems like some teams schedule 11 games and some schedule 12 games... is there a way to set a firm number of games per team?

[Arles]

There aren't any MP options in the demo (league reports or output/input files). There's also no editor.

[Arles]

I'll send out another endorsement for this game.

I haven't played it for awhile, but I really played the hell out of it awhile back and I'm sure I'll go back once I get into college football mode.

One question/complain that I have is that it seems like some teams schedule 11 games and some schedule 12 games... is there a way to set a firm number of games per team?
It's a little tough given the game doesn't have I-AA teams and there's an odd number of teams. This makes it tough to get everyone the same number of games. For that reason, some will have 11 and some will have 12.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just a bump to mention that I bought this after tinkering with the demo for a day, and that I thought the "View Stage Details" & "Weekly Checklist" combo was handled particularly well. Nice to get some practical help while climbing the learning curve of a game.

[path12]

Just a bump to mention that I bought this after tinkering with the demo for a day, and that I thought the "View Stage Details" & "Weekly Checklist" combo was handled particularly well. Nice to get some practical help while climbing the learning curve of a game.

I agree. That is a feature that some other sims could desperately use.

[Dutch]

I agree. That is a feature that some other sims could desperately use.

lol. FOF is an interesting game. It started off with such a simple interface back in the FOF and FOF2 days. As the game has grown in size, it's interface and friendliness have faded. Much like a garage with 10 years worth of crap in it. All that "crap" is important/required, but it hasn't been cleaned up in a while.

[Alan T]

Well played the demo a bit, but still haven't been able to find my old order-ID for this. So far after a few days, still no response from support on it which is dissapointing. I doubt I will buy the game again, but if they can help me out I might be hooked enough to play it again a bit and maybe do an online league. Its been at least fun on the train lately.

[Lorena]

If you join the league, I'm joining, too. That way, we can make your wife relay trash talk messages between us. That's what she seems to do for WOOF sometimes.

Oh yeah? Well if you join, I will to... that way I can talk trash to both of you :p

[molson]

Playing around with the demo-

Is there anyway to see the bowl lineup and conference tie-ins? (I'm old school). I want to see what to shoot for as say, a mediocre WAC team.

[ScottVib]

Alan drop me an email and I should be able help you

scott -- greydogsoftware.com

[st.cronin]

Playing around with the demo-

Is there anyway to see the bowl lineup and conference tie-ins? (I'm old school). I want to see what to shoot for as say, a mediocre WAC team.

Not in-game, no. But you can open up the pstats file, it'll be in there. You can also change it, if you like.

[path12]

lol. FOF is an interesting game. It started off with such a simple interface back in the FOF and FOF2 days. As the game has grown in size, it's interface and friendliness have faded. Much like a garage with 10 years worth of crap in it. All that "crap" is important/required, but it hasn't been cleaned up in a while.

True. The one that came to mind for me regarding the checklist was OOTP. I'm just at a loss in that game, and I love baseball.

[Alan T]

Alan drop me an email and I should be able help you


Thanks Scott. I dropped you a note. I'm so cluttered from the past 2-3 years no telling what i did with it. :)

[Arles]

Alan, let me know as well if you need it reset. Sorry I missed your post earlier on.

[Flasch186]

I gotta tell ya, im still having a very hard time getting hooked on this. I dont understand the whole recruiting pitch thing where youre locked into it once you start. Call me stupid but I am not understanding what Im supposed to do with the recruits.

[Antmeister]

I gotta tell ya, im still having a very hard time getting hooked on this. I dont understand the whole recruiting pitch thing where youre locked into it once you start. Call me stupid but I am not understanding what Im supposed to do with the recruits.

That's the thing. You don't have to lock into a recruiting pitch at the very beginning. Just choose "None selected" until you can get further details about the player later in the process. There may be 1 or 2 things that are most important to that player and if you can identify which is the most important early, you can boost the interest level for that player.

[Antmeister]

Oh and after Dodgerchick played the demo, she purchaed another license and has now joined cartman's league. Thanks Arlie. Now she is talking crap about how she is going to beat my team every year.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, there's two ways to go about it: You can either try to guess what pitch to use on week 1; or if you go "no pitch," and scout the player, you'll know his top 2 pitches in week 2, and have a 50-50 chance of guessing what's most important. I also think what pitch you use has an effect not just on recruiting, but on the player's happiness once he joins your team. For example, if you recruit a guy with a pitch of "playing time," and he gets redshirted, he's more likely to transfer than if you had recruited him with "chance to win" or something.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... than if you had recruited him with "chance to win" or something.

I wouldn't know about that one. Let's just say my first three seasons at MTSU have not inspired me to even consider using that pitch on anyone smart enough to at least qualify for college ;)

[path12]

I wouldn't know about that one. Let's just say my first three seasons at MTSU have not inspired me to even consider using that pitch on anyone smart enough to at least qualify for college ;)

Mine either. I've won 3 games in my first two seasons with Wyoming. I can't believe I'm still around.

[Arles]

Alan T, I PMed you with your license info. You should be all set for both your old licenses now. Let me know if you need anything else.

[Alan T]

Alan T, I PMed you with your license info. You should be all set for both your old licenses now. Let me know if you need anything else.

Outstanding! Thanks for the help! :)

[Arles]

I gotta tell ya, im still having a very hard time getting hooked on this. I dont understand the whole recruiting pitch thing where youre locked into it once you start. Call me stupid but I am not understanding what Im supposed to do with the recruits.
The logic is setup to force this type of decision:

1. Take a stab early on without all your scouting info. You can use his list of interested schools and other information. It makes some sense if it's an out of reach prospect that you are on the cusp of. If you are correct, you get a big bonus that may sway him to sign. If you are wrong, you can just move on to someone else.

2. Wait for some information and make a more calculated attempt. Now, you get less of a bonus than option 1, but you have a higher chance at nailing it.

3. Wait until you get the email and all the info. Higher chance of success, but less of a bonus.

[path12]

One quick question. I don't really mess with gameplan, I want my coaches to do that. Do I still have to suggest my off and defensive gameplans and strategies each week or will they do that automatically?

I've been doing it manually every week, and that's kind of a pain.

[Arles]

If you set the AI to manage gameplans, it will do it automatically.

[path12]

Thanks! That will help with clicking fatigue.

[Lorena]

If you join the league, I'm joining, too.

Alright, Antmeister and are part of the Mountain West... so are you joining or what?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Alright, Antmeister and are part of the Mountain West... so are you joining or what?
Errrr, isn't it too late now?

[Lorena]

Errrr, isn't it too late now?

Nope. C'mon man, it'll be fun. Especially if we end up playing against each other (ahem... remember, Mountain West).

What, afraid of losing agaist a girl? :eek:

[Antmeister]

Nope. C'mon man, it'll be fun. Especially if we end up playing against each other (ahem... remember, Mountain West).

What, afraid of losing agaist a girl? :eek:

I am going to steal her recruits anyway, so it is safe to join Pumpy.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I am going to steal her recruits anyway, so it is safe to join Pumpy.
And I'm going to steal her heart...

wait what

[Antmeister]

And I'm going to steal her heart...

wait what

Oh hell. Don't you make me bring down the "Choclate Rain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA)" Pumpus Tudorus!!! :D

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gotta tell you, the game itself is pretty good (even if I seem to suck at it).

But the increasingly frequent crashes during recruiting as it seizes 99% of processing & locks up everything when you're making an offer is about to kill it for me.

I don't have the patience to save between every fucking round since the saves can be so damned slow and losing 4 hours worth of recruiting work is enough to piss me off.

[st.cronin]

Hmm, since the latest patch I don't think I've had a single crash at any point in the game.

[Flasch186]

losing 4 hours worth of recruiting work

well I know why I suck which is my 5 minutes worth of recruiting work....why do you suck at it?

[JonInMiddleGA]

well I know why I suck which is my 5 minutes worth of recruiting work....why do you suck at it?

My recruiting is actually getting better & better, at least in terms of the quality of players I'm attracting. I just haven't yet managed to convert it into on-field success. Seems to be a play-calling issue, regardless of what method I've tried so far I can't do much offensively at all.

[Arles]

Gotta tell you, the game itself is pretty good (even if I seem to suck at it).

But the increasingly frequent crashes during recruiting as it seizes 99% of processing & locks up everything when you're making an offer is about to kill it for me.

I don't have the patience to save between every fucking round since the saves can be so damned slow and losing 4 hours worth of recruiting work is enough to piss me off.
There were some people that had this a while back and I added some hotkeys that sometimes fix it. If you get in a situation where it appears to "lock up" on the question, press the 'N' key.

Also, is it happening when recruiting from the player card or recruit sort screen?

[JonInMiddleGA]

There were some people that had this a while back and I added some hotkeys that sometimes fix it. If you get in a situation where it appears to "lock up" on the question, press the 'N' key.

Also, is it happening when recruiting from the player card or recruit sort screen?

Thanks Arlie, for trying to help. It was probably at least a little crude of me to bitch without emailing you, but, dammit, I had literally just gotten the best recruiting week of my six seasons (4 2-star committments, most ever for even a full season) and then I locked/crashed. I didn't know whether to scream or cry or both. Heck, I still don't know which to do since in the re-do I've watched as at least two of those signed elsewhere.

The lockup was on one of the "Yes/No" screens, the "are you sure" question for removing an offer from a player. I'm pretty sure that each of my freezes during recruiting have occurred during that action or during the similar "yes/no" for clearing an action. I've also had a couple during Save Game attempts and at least one when trying to look at a different Team Info.

I looked in the tech forum earlier today (before posting) but must have somehow overlooked the hot key tip. Thanks for passing it on though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Meanwhile, is there a known scenario where the box score you get for your game & the game you just completed bear no resemblence to each other?
And that the box score appears to have been for an extra game?

Maybe that doesn't make sense, let me try explaining it.

My poor MTSU Blue Raiders finally manage to play an in-state opponent close - in this case losing to Vandy by less than double digits. Game over, the rest of the week sims out, I get interrupted for a little while so when I come back to the computer I want to look at the box score. What I see is a 44-14 loss, which also appears in the Team Info screen as the final of the last game listed. I shut the game down without saving (although it's quite possible that I instinctively saved after the end of the week, I simply can't say for sure). I reopen the game & load the season, sure enough, still a 30 point loss ... but I notice my record is 5-8 even though I only played 12 games.

Umm ... WTF?

[Arles]

Looks like a double sim of some sort. I'm guessing that while the record shows one more game, your player stats show 12? Are you using the latest version (1.52)? Either way, I haven't seen this one. Did you sim the game fully through or exit in the final minutes of the sim? I'll try and recreate it.

[Cringer]

I went ahead and got this this morning before I got on the truck for the next two weeks. Getting loaded right now and going to fire it up for the first time.

I never really considered this, but since a new version won't be out this year I figured why not..... Also, I still have MacroGuru in my mind saying how much fun he had with it back in November when we were working together. It's worth a shot. ;)

[Cringer]

Dola- my trailer is getting loaded, not me. :)

[Ksyrup]

I'm seriously considering trying this out this week to see if I want to buy it before I head out on vacation. I've got that football bug starting up, but I'm not dragging my PS2 all over Florida.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Looks like a double sim of some sort. I'm guessing that while the record shows one more game, your player stats show 12? Are you using the latest version (1.52)? Either way, I haven't seen this one. Did you sim the game fully through or exit in the final minutes of the sim? I'll try and recreate it.

Simmed fully through AFAIK. Heck, I didn't even know there was a way to exit out in the final minutes.

Player stats do indeed show 12 total, but even that is a little weird.
-- The "game log" view of the player card does not show any results vs Vandy from either game (maybe the last game is always missing? I never noticed one way or the other).
-- The html view of the player (the one you get if you click their name from the team stats screen) shows the stats of the now missing/replaced/ duplicated game, the one for which there's apparently no box score.

[Peregrine]

I re-loaded the game to give it another try, and it has definitely improved a lot. It's a really neat game now, the checklists make everything easy to navigate and I really like the play-by-play, it makes it very interesting to "watch" the games.

[cartman]

I re-loaded the game to give it another try, and it has definitely improved a lot. It's a really neat game now, the checklists make everything easy to navigate and I really like the play-by-play, it makes it very interesting to "watch" the games.

gstelmack did write a utility that takes the PbP and allows you to 'watch' the game. Quite a few folks in the FOFC-BBCF use it.

[Arles]

Simmed fully through AFAIK. Heck, I didn't even know there was a way to exit out in the final minutes.

Player stats do indeed show 12 total, but even that is a little weird.
-- The "game log" view of the player card does not show any results vs Vandy from either game (maybe the last game is always missing? I never noticed one way or the other).
-- The html view of the player (the one you get if you click their name from the team stats screen) shows the stats of the now missing/replaced/ duplicated game, the one for which there's apparently no box score.
Sorry I didn't get back sooner. It looks like the game tried to sim the game a second time and errored out when storing info in the DB (duplicate keys). I've set it up not to crash in this instance, but it does mess up the game log/box score. I'm looking into it to see how this happens.

Thanks for the info and help on this.

[DaddyTorgo]

I need to reinstall and update BBCF. Had it on my old laptop, never put it over on this new one and I got a itch.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaargh. My bbcf froze up while saving and now it won't reload that saved-game. just starts to load and then quits right away.

and I had BC movin on up in the world!

[JonInMiddleGA]

aaargh. My bbcf froze up while saving and now it won't reload that saved-game. just starts to load and then quits right away.

and I had BC movin on up in the world!

Have you tried copying the save file in the "backup" folder to try to restore the game? (as described over on their forum) Saved my ass a few nights ago when I had the same sort of problem, figured I at least ought to make sure you knew about that.

The freeze-while-saving is one of the biggest aggravations I've run into with the game to this point. Minimum it happens to me at least every couple of days, although usually it's just lost work and not the version of the problem that requires the backup copy to restore it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Have you tried copying the save file in the "backup" folder to try to restore the game? (as described over on their forum) Saved my ass a few nights ago when I had the same sort of problem, figured I at least ought to make sure you knew about that.

The freeze-while-saving is one of the biggest aggravations I've run into with the game to this point. Minimum it happens to me at least every couple of days, although usually it's just lost work and not the version of the problem that requires the backup copy to restore it.

you're a beautiful beautufil man mr. JiMGA. I need to keep going with this team. Brought in a #6 nationally ranked recruiting class last year that led me to a 10-1 season, and in this recruiting class I just landed 2 5-star OLB's to shore up my defense already.

[JonInMiddleGA]

you're a beautiful beautufil man mr. JiMGA. I need to keep going with this team. Brought in a #6 nationally ranked recruiting class last year that led me to a 10-1 season, and in this recruiting class I just landed 2 5-star OLB's to shore up my defense already.

I'm just lucky that I happened to remember reading something about that over there when I first bought the game, otherwise I would have lost my (far less successful but still kind of attached to) 15 season career at MTSU. Just search around over there a bit & you ought to be able to turn up the thread that explains what to do.

[DaddyTorgo]

already done. And the results of the recruiting season:

The following recruits ended up coming to Boston College (#2 recruiting class in the country)

DT Robert Caldwell, 5-stars
Concord (Wilmington, DE)
National Rank: 52, Regional: 15, Position: 7

OLB Patrick Sanders, 5-stars
Watertown (Watertown, CT)
National Rank: 29, Regional: 9, Position: 3

OLB Frederick Ziegler, 5-stars
Minisink Valley (Slate Hill, NY)
National Rank: 36, Regional: 11, Position: 4

K Don Taylor, 5-stars
Southington (Southington, CT)
National Rank: 35, Regional: 10, Position: 3

OT Glenn Camacho, 4-stars
Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO)
National Rank: 103, Regional: 17, Position: 7

OG Jeffrey Smith, 4-stars
Gilman School (Baltimore, MD)
National Rank: 217, Regional: 38, Position: 5

RB David Lewis, 4-stars
Ft. Zumwalt West (O' Fallon, MO)
National Rank: 169, Regional: 32, Position: 19

WR Cameron Vaughan, 4-stars
Rainy River CC (MN), Proctorville, OH, HS - OH
National Rank: 128, Regional: 24, Position: 8

CB Jeremy Ratliff, 4-stars
Bishop McDevitt (Harrisbug, PA)
National Rank: 218, Regional: 39, Position: 19

DE Nathan Crockett, 4-stars
Salem (Salem, OH)
National Rank: 232, Regional: 48, Position: 14

CB George Lawrence, 4-stars
Trinity-Pawling School (Pawling, NY)
National Rank: 354, Regional: 72, Position: 30

FB Jose Edmond, 3-stars
Durant (Durant, OK)
National Rank: 362, Regional: 72, Position: 13

C Frank Johnson, 3-stars
Sherburne Earlville Central (Sherburne, NY)
National Rank: 503, Regional: 95, Position: 14

WR Billy White, 3-stars
Cherryvale (Cherryvale, KS)
National Rank: 188, Regional: 35, Position: 13

TE David Farley, 3-stars
Randolph Central (Randolph, NY)
National Rank: 344, Regional: 69, Position: 18

first 3 seasons: 11-1 (National Champion), 9-3 (Won Champs Sports Bowl, 11-1 (Won Rose Bowl)

[Alan T]

DT, you should come over and join Cartman's BBCF league. BC is taken, but you can be a Big East power like Syracuse and play in the same league as Chief Rum and I :) (That is if/when Cartman approves Chief Rum's application!)

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, you should come over and join Cartman's BBCF league. BC is taken, but you can be a Big East power like Syracuse and play in the same league as Chief Rum and I :) (That is if/when Cartman approves Chief Rum's application!)

oooh. Maybe I should.

[mauchow]

I have BC. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I have BC. :)

better be doin them justice!! :D

[Alan T]

better be doin them justice!! :D

He stole all of my highly sought after prospects during recruiting!

I think in the Atlantic area right now, BC is the only other one besides me heavily recruiting up there.

[FrogMan]

I asked this question over on Grey Dog's forum on Friday and everybody must be out for the weekend so I'll ask it here. Is there a time limit as far to how long I can try the demo?

I know you can only play the first season, but I'm more concerned about a real life kind of time limit, à la "3 days and you're out" that I experienced with TPG2 the first time around. I might be tempted to try this one out but since I've never played any college sports game before, and barely follow college football, it might take me some time to fully know if I'm gonna like it or not...

Thanks in advance.

FM

[astrosfan64]

I asked this question over on Grey Dog's forum on Friday and everybody must be out for the weekend so I'll ask it here. Is there a time limit as far to how long I can try the demo?

I know you can only play the first season, but I'm more concerned about a real life kind of time limit, à la "3 days and you're out" that I experienced with TPG2 the first time around. I might be tempted to try this one out but since I've never played any college sports game before, and barely follow college football, it might take me some time to fully know if I'm gonna like it or not...

Thanks in advance.

FM

No time limit that I'm aware of. You can replay that first season over and over again.

[path12]

Arlie, I just want to say that this is really a fantastic game. It has been the first text sim in ages that has substantially cut into my FM time, and I've tried a bunch of them.

[FrogMan]

Arlie, I just want to say that this is really a fantastic game. It has been the first text sim in ages that has substantially cut into my FM time, and I've tried a bunch of them.


I read on page 2 of this thread that you were mostly using the coach's suggestion for gameplanning, is that still mostly the way you play the game?

I'm asking because that would be the way I'd play the game. I'm not too big on gameplanning but the recruiting thing intrigues me...

FM