NCAA Announces OU football went 0-4 in 2005, not 8-4.

[SirFozzie]

Wow. Talk about a toothless punishment... However, the money from the now non-existent games still counts, as does the money they got for playing in the bowl game.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/07/11/oklahoma.sanctions.ap/index.html

[sterlingice]

And the teams they played don't suddenly get a win, they just get nothing?

SI

[larrymcg421]

Well they get a loss taken away, right?

[Buccaneer]

The fanatical boosters will still find ways to pay their players. Morons.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Talk about a toothless punishment...

makes sense, considering the punishee.

i wasn't expecting much, i just find it funny that an institution that cheating built, already on probation, just gets . . . more probation.

i just pray it's super secret double probation.

[Young Drachma]

NCAA sucks Part 1000

[molson]

Only the NCAA could come up with a "punishment" like this. It's hard to even wrap your mind around it.

It's like if you scored with some hot chick in college, and then somehow it was deemed later that it "didn't count". I could live with that.

[gstelmack]

I don't get how you get more probation after violating your probation...

[MylesKnight]

I realize that the NCAA will never give the outright Death Sentence to a program nowadays, but what ever happened to Postseason & Television Bans?

Take OU off the tube for a couple of years and make them ineligible for Bowl Games for that same period of time as well... I'm thinking that would get some heads rolling in Norman.

[Dr. Sak]

I don't get how you get more probation after violating your probation...

Double Secret Probation

[sachmo71]

I realize that the NCAA will never give the outright Death Sentence to a program nowadays, but what ever happened to Postseason & Television Bans?

Take OU off the tube for a couple of years and make them ineligible for Bowl Games for that same period of time as well... I'm thinking that would get some heads rolling in Norman.

but still make absolutely no difference.

[bulletsponge]

the Texas victory over OK still counts though right :P

[duckman]

Go do a Freedom of Information Act request. The three players did not report to the OU NCAA Compliance Office that they were working at the dealership. The manager tried blocking the university from getting employment records from the players. Once they determined that the three players were indeed getting funds for work they did not do, they informed the NCAA which did their own investigation.

Because of this, the university increased their compliance office from 3 employees (which is standard for most NCAA Div 1 schools) to 8.

[Passacaglia]

Go do a Freedom of Information Act request. The three players did not report to the OU NCAA Compliance Office that they were working at the dealership. The manager tried blocking the university from getting employment records from the players. Once they determined that the three players were indeed getting funds for work they did not do, they informed the NCAA which did their own investigation.

Because of this, the university increased their compliance office from 3 employees (which is standard for most NCAA Div 1 schools) to 8.

And how many of those new employees are OU football players? ;)

[Huckleberry]

Go do a Freedom of Information Act request. The three players did not report to the OU NCAA Compliance Office that they were working at the dealership. The manager tried blocking the university from getting employment records from the players. Once they determined that the three players were indeed getting funds for work they did not do, they informed the NCAA which did their own investigation.

Because of this, the university increased their compliance office from 3 employees (which is standard for most NCAA Div 1 schools) to 8.

Funny stuff.

So the OU Compliance Office didn't know that the players they told about the dealership actually ended up "working" for the dealership.

You are aware that it's the compliance office's job to find stuff like that out, right? That internal investigation into the Peterson free Lexus situation was top notch. Really unearthed everything there was to find. I'm not sure why anyone's supposed to be impressed that OU will now have 8 people that look the other way instead of 3.

[duckman]

Funny stuff.

So the OU Compliance Office didn't know that the players they told about the dealership actually ended up "working" for the dealership.

You are aware that it's the compliance office's job to find stuff like that out, right? That internal investigation into the Peterson free Lexus situation was top notch. Really unearthed everything there was to find. I'm not sure why anyone's supposed to be impressed that OU will now have 8 people that look the other way instead of 3.

First of all, don't insult my intelligence. I know exactly what the compliance office does. I'm not even arguing that they did their job correctly. I actually agree with the "fail to monitor" ruling.

Second, the NCAA investigated the Lexus incident and found nothing to lead them to the employment scandal. This was something between the three players and the general manager of Big Red Sports & Imports. They are the ones that were deceiving the NCAA. Those four people should have gotten the most severe penalties.

Players are informed every year that they are supposed to registered with the NCAA about their employment. They are supposed to fill out a form at the compliance office. What these players did was intentionally deceive the university and the NCAA. The manager intentionally stonewalled the university about their employment records. The NCAA had to step in to get the records for them. The NCAA actually commended OU in April's hearing for their investigation and action because they did such a thorough job that not even the NCAA found any more violations with the football program. Now, should the compliance office made an investigation since there was 15 football players on the payroll? Yes. Which is why I agree with the "failure to monitor" ruling. Did the university intentionally deceive the NCAA? No, this was an act by three greedy football players and a crooked general manager of a car dealership.

[Karlifornia]

Last year's Stanford team won more games than '05 Oklahoma. :)

[Cuckoo]

What these players did was intentionally deceive the university and the NCAA. The manager intentionally stonewalled the university about their employment records. The NCAA had to step in to get the records for them. The NCAA actually commended OU in April's hearing for their investigation and action because they did such a thorough job...

Exactly, and this is why I said in the other thread that the punishment was harsher than I expected.

Look, there's no doubt OU was and has been pretty stupid for the situation with Big Red. The guy has been a known booster for years (not to mention a used car salesman :) ) and employed a number of players; that should have made the compliance office at the very least watch the situation closer than some others. But that's a big jump to something that warrants a major "punishment" in my humble opinion.

[MylesKnight]

By the way, OU comes in at a solid #3 in All-Time Top 10 Cheaters Poll.

The state of Alabama straight up runs things though.

Check out the link.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10255471

[Huckleberry]

There are two types of Oklahoma fans. The ones, like you guys, that actually have a conscience with respect to following NCAA rules and so you have chosen to believe in your heart of hearts that OU doesn't really cheat that much. Then there are the others that have no conscience regarding the rules and are perfectly happy to discuss the culture of cheating that exists at OU.

Oklahoma cheating started during the Dust Bowl days when they were looking for something else for the state's image to focus on. Once you commit to that path it is very hard to get off of it and the Sooners haven't done so even 60 years later. It's just the way it is.

[Crapshoot]

Of course, if the scenario where the coach makes $3M, the NCAA makes billions, while the players are supposed to play for the "love of the game" wasn't true, this wouldn't be an issue.

[Cuckoo]

There are two types of Oklahoma fans. The ones, like you guys, that actually have a conscience with respect to following NCAA rules and so you have chosen to believe in your heart of hearts that OU doesn't really cheat that much. Then there are the others that have no conscience regarding the rules and are perfectly happy to discuss the culture of cheating that exists at OU.

I tell you what... How about I classify myself and correct any misconceptions you may have.

I would put myself in the category of OU fan who grew up during a time in which there were some shady actions by my school as well as many others. I don't wish to debate how much more OU may have "cheated" than other big time programs as I simply don't have the knowledge or desire, but I'm not going to deny that it happened, just like I'm not going to sit here and talk about all of Texas' missteps over the history of college football. It's pointless and, contrary to what you believe, inapplicable in every way except perception.

You're right that I have a conscience regarding rules violations, and I absolutely hate the fact that this story, not coincidentally I'm sure, is front page news on the slowest sports day of the year. I don't want that image for OU any longer.

I firmly believe in my heart that this is a different atmosphere and different people at Oklahoma. Though Texas fans will undoubtedly disagree, I believe the current coaching staff and athletic administration are committed to integrity. This is a step backwards as far as perception, to say the least. But it does not, in my humble opinion, indicate some "return to form" or "more of the same" as so many Texas fans love to proclaim.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Actually, most of us figured Stoops was on the up and up before this mess. If he was cheating, his recruiting would've been better.