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MJ4H
07-16-2007, 11:10 AM
So I had a best friend in college. I'll call him Tim.

Tim and I were roommates two separate times in college. We had many classes together on purpose, blah, blah. Basically, there was a time in my life where I would have entrusted my life to Tim.

Towards the end of college, Tim joined a band. It was a pretty decent band as those things go, and I enjoyed going to hear him play. Tim and I were both musicians, but I'm not much for the local playing at bars rock band scene so I didn't get into that stuff. Tim was much like me and never drank or did drugs while we were in college. Until he got into this scene.

After graduation, Tim announces to me that he and this group are moving to Bloomington, Indiana where there is a major university and also where they can be within driving distance of several major markets. They picked out Bloomington because of these features. Off they go. He is gone for about 4 years, and I don't hear from him at all.

Now, he eventually shows back up here. I hear from a friend, hey Tim is back in town! Oh cool, let's get together, etc. He is quite obviously a different person. He seems very down, defeated, etc. He says while he was in Indiana, he screwed up pretty bad and had to come home.

What did he do? He won't say anymore. He does tell us he got into some drug stuff and he talks about how knowlegeable he is about drug users in general and he can spot them from this and that and blah blah whatever. I don't care about that stuff so it was weird that he was talking about it. I assumed at this point that he got caught with drugs or maybe even dealing and that was why he came back home.

Due to how much he changed and his new found drug and alcohol friends, we have drifted apart over the last few years. I tried initially hanging around with him again. It was fun mostly, but he was definitely different and I got the feeling he'd rather be hanging around with people that weren't so "square" when he was with us. That's fine. It was still him that initiated most of the time, so I was probably just imagining it.

At this point, it has probably been a year and a half since I've even spoken to Tim. We moved so we have all new contact info and I just haven't really had occassion to call him. Nothing intentional, it just happens, you know how it is.

So this past week, probably Thursday, a friend tells me that she was sent an email. The email contained a news article detailing Tim's arrest in Bloomington. I will include excerpts from this report below.

************
Bloomington police officers arrested a man they say they caught
attempting to rape a woman at her eastside residence Thursday night.
...
The roommate, who had called police on her cell phone outside the
residence, provided a key, and the two officers burst into the
residence, police said.
...
"They got him off of her," Parker said. "She had been struck several
times."
...
The woman told police she knew her attacker, Parker said. ---------
reportedly had been at the residence earlier and told to leave, police
said.

The attack happened when he returned to the home later in the day,
Parker said.

**************

I had only heard that this email existed until about an hour ago. I asked to be forwarded this email, and I just got it. I have since been an emotional wreck. Truthfully, we all suspected it was rape, just because of his secrecy. Almost anything else, I thought he would tell us or at least drop hints. My wife and friends have expressed to me that they were afraid to be alone with him since he got back because they suspected it, too. It's just, far, different suspecting, and even hearing through the grapevine that it was, and receiving a news story showing the details. I sat here at my computer and shook with rage for an hour.

Is this rational, normal? Is this ok? What do I do, here? Stay away from him? I can't believe I feel this way. I am very surprised at how hard this is to handle, basically.

Don't make this a sappy "wow I'm sorry to hear that thread" though. I would prefer a real talk about this. What would you do? Would you talk to him? Would you stay away from him? Is there any rationalization for his behavior where I could say he deserves a second chance? Would you punch a hole in the wall like I feel like I could?

Remember, at many times in my life, I trusted this guy. He has been alone with my wife and my friends. My wife is now scared of him.

Ugh.

Butter
07-16-2007, 11:13 AM
I would stay away from him, especially considering that you had already drifted apart. If he was your best friend up until the incident, that would be something different entirely.

MJ4H
07-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Dola, just quick edited because I forgot to take his name out of the report in one spot. If you saw it, pretend you didn't. Thanks.

Parker is not the guy, he is a police representative.

Qwikshot
07-16-2007, 11:15 AM
The basic question would you trust him with wife and/or kids?

If yes, you continue contact. If no, you don't.

st.cronin
07-16-2007, 11:16 AM
No idea how I'd react, but I'd keep in mind that you don't know the entire story.

Swaggs
07-16-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure I exactly follow.

Did he rape someone years ago and this is a snippet from that or did he return to Bloomington and rape someone recently?

TroyF
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
The drifting apart thing is what hits it for me as well. If this is your best friend, maybe you try to figure out "why" it happened. I'm not saying you'd still stay friends, but if you were close to him you would at least want to know his side of the story.

But with you two drifting apart and not being as close as you were, I see no need to go down that path. There is no reason to even confront him. Politely decline his next two or three invitations and be done with it.

Butter
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
I'm not sure I exactly follow.

Did he rape someone years ago and this is a snippet from that or did he return to Bloomington and rape someone recently?

Yeah, I think I got confused on this point as well. NOW the way I'm reading it is, the e-mail you got detailed the incident while he was away.

That does make things difficult.

BrianD
07-16-2007, 11:20 AM
I would probably cut ties with this person, not for what he did, but for the fact that you felt he was different and the friendship wasn't really there anymore. I have a number of high school friends that I barely talk to anymore. People grow up, their lives change, and people drift apart. My life is busy enough that I don't need to fight for friendships just because I'm not willing to accept change.

I guess it is probably important to ask why you are angry. Is it because your friend screwed up? Is it because he didn't confide in you? Is it because he is different? Rage is probably normal, but I'd be curious what is fueling it.

MJ4H
07-16-2007, 11:38 AM
He did this while he was away in Bloomington. He did not return there.

I am upset because he is someone whom I trusted for years. Would have done so with my life if necessary. He was a huge part of my life in high school and college. It honestly feels like the email I just got said a good friend died.

MJ4H
07-16-2007, 11:41 AM
No idea how I'd react, but I'd keep in mind that you don't know the entire story.

I'm not sure there is any other part of the story that would make attempted rape ok. The police pulled him off of the girl naked. This part isn't really in dispute.

BrianD
07-16-2007, 12:02 PM
He did this while he was away in Bloomington. He did not return there.

I am upset because he is someone whom I trusted for years. Would have done so with my life if necessary. He was a huge part of my life in high school and college. It honestly feels like the email I just got said a good friend died.

Considering the drug use and the life experiences...thinking that a good friend died is probably not that far off. Not to belittle the experiences of someone who actually did have a friend die, but this is no longer the guy you once knew. There is still some part of the guy you knew in there, but this guy has grown and changed. You shouldn't be deciding if you can still be friends with the guy you once knew, but you should be deicding if you can be friends with the guy he has become. Treat this like a guy you just met and make your decision from there.

spleen1015
07-16-2007, 12:06 PM
I would remove myself from this situation totally and not talk to the guy anymore.

Desnudo
07-16-2007, 12:22 PM
Heavy drug use (I'm assuming we're not talking about pot here) can completely change someone's personality. I definitely would keep my family away and would stay away myself unless an explaination was offered.

Kodos
07-16-2007, 12:24 PM
I would cut him out of my life. Rapists are vile excuses for human beings, and I would not associate with anyone who is one, even if it was my best friend. As long as it is clear he is guilty, he would be gone for me. If there was some level of doubt, I would stick around but be weary. But that doesn't sound like the case here.

JPhillips
07-16-2007, 12:26 PM
I'm still confused on what's happened. Has he been charged or did the woman decide not to testify? If things were as cut and dried as they seem to be, how did he get out of Indiana?

Hammer755
07-16-2007, 12:26 PM
I'd probably sever all ties with the guy. Your primary responsibility now lies with your family, not your friends. Ultimately, do you want to be friends with a person that you can't trust 100% around your wife and child(ren)? The chances that he would be a danger are probably pretty remote, but do you want to risk it even just a little? I wouldn't.

Oilers9911
07-16-2007, 12:53 PM
Yep, it'a time to cut ties and say good riddance to bad rubbish. The friend you used to know is gone.

MJ4H
07-16-2007, 01:00 PM
I'm still confused on what's happened. Has he been charged or did the woman decide not to testify? If things were as cut and dried as they seem to be, how did he get out of Indiana?

I do not know the answer to this question.

JPhillips
07-16-2007, 01:09 PM
I'd check into the story if I were you before I wrote him off.(Unless you want to write him off for reasons unrelated to a possible rape) I'd want to know the rough time of the assault and what happened to his case.

Things may be exactly as the email describes, but it doesn't add up to me.

TroyF
07-16-2007, 01:44 PM
I do not know the answer to this question.


That's where my post above comes in. I don't expect you to know the answer to that question. Police reports have been known to be wrong. It could have been a domestic dispute gone wrong.

But the only reason to find any of that out is if you still consider him a friend and still consider him someone you want to be around. If the answer to those questions are no, there is no point in finding out anymore about this. Why would your mind need to get questions answered by someone you don't want to have a friendship with anymore?

One other question:

Odds are, his recounting of the incident is going to be far different from that article. He's probably not going to say "I was angry with her and tried to rape her" I'm not making a judgment and saying he's guilty, innocent or anything in between. I'm just saying his story is likely going to be far different from what you read. If he does come up with something different, what do you do? (believe him? Walk away regardless of what he says? Do more research on it?)

bulletsponge
07-16-2007, 02:03 PM
your wife and family ALWAYS comes first

Ryan S
07-16-2007, 03:27 PM
I'd check into the story if I were you before I wrote him off.

Is the email the only source, or does it link to a news site? If the email is the only source I would be sceptical until I saw some more evidence.

JPhillips
07-16-2007, 03:41 PM
I googled some of the text and came up with nothing, but that's hardly definitive.

st.cronin
07-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Is the email the only source, or does it link to a news site? If the email is the only source I would be sceptical until I saw some more evidence.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

MJ4H
07-16-2007, 04:14 PM
It is not linked to a news site, but it is from a Bloomington print paper.

Karlifornia
07-16-2007, 06:01 PM
You guys are different people now...well, at least he seems to be. People drift apart. C'est la vie.

M GO BLUE!!!
07-16-2007, 07:25 PM
Stay away from him. If he wants to know why, just tell him that things haven't been the same between you two and you just feel like the two of you have completely different lives and shouldn't try to force a continued close friendship.

On a side note, I initially read Is rape ok? then did a double take. Then I started reading and had to go back again to make sure it really did in fact say rage. D

If it was a date-rape he said/she said situation, I could see you being able to trust him (if you felt he was worth the trust.) But it seems that you already don't trust him and the situation looks pretty violent. Time to let go...

I offer that second part because I had a friend who did a five-year stretch for a date rape. He said that she was his former girlfriend and it was consentual, but when he refused to leave his girlfriend she threatened to have him charged with rape... then did. Her claim was that he came over and raped her. I never saw him have any problem getting a woman and didn't see him as forcing one if she said no... he'd just move on to another (couldn't count how many times he bragged about cheating on his wife.) He eventually did develop a drug problem, his wife left him and I never heard from him again.

Friends... How many of us have them.
Friends... Ones we can depend on...

st.cronin
07-16-2007, 07:29 PM
On the other hand, maybe this guy needs a friend. Friendship is something offered in the hope that it helps both parties, I think.

Drake
07-17-2007, 10:55 AM
There's a major university in Bloomington, Indiana?!

When did that happen?

MJ4H
07-17-2007, 10:58 AM
1820

Ksyrup
07-23-2007, 03:47 PM
Just wondering what happened with this? Did you ever confirm details of the rape arrest/allegation?

I thought of this thread because on another board, someone posted a somewhat similar thread about getting a call out of the blue from a former college roommate who was now a she. This person wanted to get together, not having seen the roommate/poster for about 7 years, and the question was whether to go through with it or not. Obviously, the subject matter is different, but there is still that awkwardness of not having seen each other for years, compounded with a huge, and potentially uncomfortable, issue that cannot be avoided.

MJ4H
07-23-2007, 04:05 PM
The details weren't really in doubt in the first place. The source was completely reliable. No I have not talked to him at all since then and don't plan to unless he contacts me.

CU Tiger
07-23-2007, 08:59 PM
Late to the party, but maybe a different point of view.

Is he still on drugs?
That is a key component to the decision to me.

If he is in fact clean, he needs positive influences to stay that way. Granted when he hangs out with the "square" crowd initially he will reminisce and be bored about all the wild and crazy times he had. If he has any chance to stay clean he needs support.

The drugs could very well explain the "rape" situation.

Wa he high?
Were they both high?
I amnot condoning rape, in any way.

But maybe the incident rocked him and he straightened up, if so you could be the rock that ensures hee pulls through.

MJ4H
07-23-2007, 09:52 PM
Late to the party, but maybe a different point of view.

Is he still on drugs?
That is a key component to the decision to me.

If he is in fact clean, he needs positive influences to stay that way. Granted when he hangs out with the "square" crowd initially he will reminisce and be bored about all the wild and crazy times he had. If he has any chance to stay clean he needs support.

The drugs could very well explain the "rape" situation.

Wa he high?
Were they both high?
I amnot condoning rape, in any way.

But maybe the incident rocked him and he straightened up, if so you could be the rock that ensures hee pulls through.

This post is pretty much spot on with how I assess the situation as of now. Theoretically, he has cleaned himself up, but I don't see him ever so I have no way of verifying this. Of course I have no idea about whether or not he was high, but your views are pretty much mine on the subject. Thanks for putting it very clearly so I could see it, too.

CU Tiger
07-24-2007, 08:39 AM
As a recovered addict, I will say this.
The #1 requirement to cleaning up is he MUST want to clean and stay clean.
The #2 is you need a strong support system.

One fact about drugs, is they tend to make you extremely honest when you try to leave them. If I were in your shoes, I would invite him out to dinner or drinks or whatever, just the two of you.

And be frank. Hey, are you clean? Why?
Do you want to change your life, or do you want to put on a good impression for a possible upcoming trial?

Tell him flat out you are scared for your family's safety, and that if he ever wants you as a friend he has to re-earn that trust.