New NFL Commissioner Goodell: What do you think of him so far? [Archive]

Eaglesfan27

07-26-2007, 01:07 PM

He's fine but really how hard is it? This ain't the SATs.

Yet, Tags never took these kind of hardline approaches. I love what Goodell is doing and think it is even more impressive since he is a new commish.

cartman

07-26-2007, 01:07 PM

He's the bees knees.

rkmsuf

07-26-2007, 01:09 PM

Yet, Tags never took these kind of hardline approaches. I love what Goodell is doing and think it is even more impressive since he is a new commish.

I'm not saying he's wrong or not doing something good there but some of this stuff is pretty obvious. I guess the flip side is what did tagliabooo ignore that would merit suspension now.

Anthony

07-26-2007, 01:18 PM

it would've been very easy for Goodell to come in and say "i'm not looking to rock the boat my 1st year as Commish. let me get my feet wet and once i've established myself then i can make some moves". but no, he came in and immediately established himself and set the tone for the rest of his career as Commish. i would think he's painting himself into a corner with some of his decisions, but if he can be consistent then i really like his decisions thus far. i'm sure it's pretty intimidating for a 1st time Commish to make some of the decisions he's done.

i will go on record as saying i predict a strike/lockout in the NFL's future, no matter how distant it may be. Tags seems to be more inclusive, Goodell looks like he got no prob taking the hardline approach with anyone who gets in his way. i like the hardline approach.

in any event, these players needed to be reigned in. it was about time.

FBPro

07-26-2007, 01:36 PM

Cleaning up things yes, time will tell if he can accomplish other things that keep the NFL on top where it has been for years.

rkmsuf

07-26-2007, 01:41 PM

Cleaning up things yes, time will tell if he can accomplish other things that keep the NFL on top where it has been for years.

I think he's a genius in so much as by making an example of some guys that the public perception starts to shift. Is it "cleaned up" or will it be consistently? I have my doubts no matter what the commissioner does.

Let's put it this way. I like HA's take in the sense he's not doing a bad job but hasn't faced any issues that I would say are paramount. C so far.

Young Drachma

07-26-2007, 02:13 PM

Anybody can be a disciplinarian. It'll be when he has to deal with real adversity that we'll see how 'tough' he really is.

cthomer5000

07-26-2007, 02:34 PM

Anybody can be a disciplinarian. It'll be when he has to deal with real adversity that we'll see how 'tough' he really is.

Yeah, he's struck me as a bit over-eager to show just how tough he is so far.

stevew

07-26-2007, 02:35 PM

I like him, i respect what he done.

WVUFAN

07-26-2007, 02:49 PM

Horrible, and horribly biased.

Surtt

07-26-2007, 02:51 PM

Yet, Tags never took these kind of hardline approaches. I love what Goodell is doing and think it is even more impressive since he is a new commish.

I don't think it is quite fair to complain about Tags. He did his best to build the laborer relations the NFL has now.
If Goodell's short term "get tough policy" destroys that relationship long term will it be worth it?

I think the fans were(are) getting fed up and the suspensions were the obvious way to get the players attention.
But, were they the best? only time will tell.

Eaglesfan27

07-26-2007, 03:00 PM

I don't think it is quite fair to complain about Tags. He did his best to build the laborer relations the NFL has now.
If Goodell's short term "get tough policy" destroys that relationship long term will it be worth it?

I think the fans were(are) getting fed up and the suspensions were the obvious way to get the players attention.
But, were they the best? only time will tell.

I'd agree with that if all indications weren't that the vast majority of players were/are sick of their image and the image of the game being tarnished. From all accounts, the majority of players are behind Goodell's moves.

gkb

07-26-2007, 03:17 PM

I like what he's done so far with disciplining players. I'm not nearly as excited about the NFL playing regular season games overseas.

sabotai

07-26-2007, 03:21 PM

Yeah, he's struck me as a bit over-eager to show just how tough he is so far.

Maybe, but it's like what they say when you go to prison. The trick is to kick someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch. Then you'll be ok.

Tags chose the become someone's bitch route, Goodell decided to kick someone's ass.

WVUFAN

07-26-2007, 03:21 PM

I like what he's done so far with disciplining players. I'm not nearly as excited about the NFL playing regular season games overseas.

The trouble is the disciplne is not on a level field. People like Vick get away with things without any discipline, whereas if this has happened to another player, they would have already been suspended.

KWhit

07-26-2007, 03:39 PM

The trouble is the disciplne is not on a level field. People like Vick get away with things without any discipline, whereas if this has happened to another player, they would have already been suspended.

Huh? Are you really saying that the league is being light on Vick?

Most people who disagree with the commish's actions are saying he has done too much.

I think he's taken the exact right response at this point.

Synovia

07-26-2007, 03:44 PM

The trouble is the disciplne is not on a level field. People like Vick get away with things without any discipline, whereas if this has happened to another player, they would have already been suspended.
What the hell are you talking about. Vick HAS been suspended. Just for training camp at this point, but that will get extended if the trial doestn keep him from playing.

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I guarantee you, Vick will not play a single down of football this year.

WVUFAN

07-26-2007, 03:52 PM

Huh? Are you really saying that the league is being light on Vick?

Yes. Others have been suspended for much smaller offenses, whereas Vick has not been suspended at all.

Most people who disagree with the commish's actions are saying he has done too much.

He should be suspended for the year, ala PacMan Jones. At least 8 games.

Ben E Lou

07-26-2007, 03:53 PM

I think he is fantastic so far. I love how he is trying to get the bad guys out of the league.

I hate it. I watch football to see grown men commit assault and battery on one another, not for a lesson in morality. Why should I care if they really are criminals off the field?

Subby

07-26-2007, 03:57 PM

How many white guys have been suspended?

CASE CLOSED.

Synovia

07-26-2007, 04:02 PM

How many white guys have been suspended?

CASE CLOSED.

How many white guys (in the last year) have been involved in multiple crimes while playing for the NFL.

So far, pretty puch PacMan, Henry, and Tank are the only ones "suspended" by the NFL. All three of them violated specific parts of agreements they had made with the NFL, specifically reporting arrests (pacman), not drinking (Tank and Henry). They violated specific contractual obligations.<br><br>Point me out a white guy who has violated a specific condition in an agreement with the comissioner, and I wont think you're just a racist.

Subby

07-26-2007, 04:06 PM

How many white guys (in the last year) have been involved in multiple crimes while playing for the NFL.
Only a racist would say that.

cartman

07-26-2007, 04:11 PM

Goodell would cream Bettman, Selig, and Stern in a Commissioner's cage match. He could then declare himself 'Commissioner for life of all that is sporting'. That'd be cool.

Surtt

07-26-2007, 05:21 PM

I'd agree with that if all indications weren't that the vast majority of players were/are sick of their image and the image of the game being tarnished. From all accounts, the majority of players are behind Goodell's moves.

True for now.
But at some point I can see the players start to rally around their own.

SteelerFan448

07-26-2007, 05:31 PM

I like what he's done so far with disciplining players. I'm not nearly as excited about the NFL playing regular season games overseas.

I feel the same way.

sabotai

07-26-2007, 05:32 PM

I hate it. I watch football to see grown men commit assault and battery on one another, not for a lesson in morality. Why should I care if they really are criminals off the field?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

JetsIn06

07-26-2007, 05:37 PM

I hate it. I watch football to see grown men commit assault and battery on one another, not for a lesson in morality. Why should I care if they really are criminals off the field?

I don't know how old you are, but I'm assuming that you are at least over twenty years old. You know who to look up to, and who to think is an asshole.

How about the 5 year olds, 10 year olds, 15 year olds, who look up to a guy like Michael Vick? People look up to pro athletes. The league HAS to do something about it.

path12

07-26-2007, 05:37 PM

I like what he's done so far with disciplining players. I'm not nearly as excited about the NFL playing regular season games overseas.

I'm about here. It's still pretty early.

WVUFAN

07-26-2007, 05:49 PM

How about the 5 year olds, 10 year olds, 15 year olds, who look up to a guy like Michael Vick? People look up to pro athletes. The league HAS to do something about it.

Too bad he hasn't done anything about it. He'll go after easy pickings like Jones, but not a "supersta!!"

Izulde

07-26-2007, 05:50 PM

I think he's done a fantastic job thus far.

As for the NFL regular season games overseas, count me as one of those who likes the idea. It doesn't hurt to keep trying to penetrate markets. I only wish NFL Europe hadn't folded. :(

Atocep

07-26-2007, 05:54 PM

Too bad he hasn't done anything about it. He'll go after easy pickings like Jones, but not a "supersta!!"

The difference between Pacman, Henry, and Vick is Pacman and Henry were the very definition of multiple offenders.

I'm about as far from a Vick fan as you'll find, but Vick has had one major run-in with the law and its the current one. The other one was with the water bottle and the police admitted they had nothing on him there.

Pacman can't go a week without doing something stupid, Henry was the same way until he was suspended.

AlexB

07-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Rubbish!

http://www.isabellosada.com/images/Morecambe%20%20Wise%2078.jpg

Chances of anybody getting the reference? Close to zero. but it made me chuckle!

JetsIn06

07-26-2007, 06:01 PM

Too bad he hasn't done anything about it. He'll go after easy pickings like Jones, but not a "supersta!!"

I highly, highly, highly doubt Vick will be playing at all this season.

Schmidty

07-26-2007, 06:08 PM

Rubbish!

http://www.isabellosada.com/images/Morecambe%20%20Wise%2078.jpg

Chances of anybody getting the reference? Close to zero. but it made me chuckle!

British humor?

sabotai

07-26-2007, 06:21 PM

The difference between Pacman, Henry, and Vick is Pacman and Henry were the very definition of multiple offenders.

Not only that, but the Pacman and Henry cases had been going on for quite some time. The Vick case has just started. Saying that Vick has gotten away with it is just silly at this point.

Ben E Lou

07-26-2007, 06:23 PM

I don't know how old you are, but I'm assuming that you are at least over twenty years old. You know who to look up to, and who to think is an asshole.

How about the 5 year olds, 10 year olds, 15 year olds, who look up to a guy like Michael Vick? People look up to pro athletes. The league HAS to do something about it.

When I was around 10 years old, I LOVED watching George Atkinson and Jack Tatum knock the living snot out of people. They were guys I loved to watch. My father was my role model. *shurg*

Schmidty

07-26-2007, 06:37 PM

When I was around 10 years old, I LOVED watching George Atkinson and Jack Tatum knock the living snot out of people. They were guys I loved to watch. My father was my role model. *shurg*

You were very blessed. A lot of kids have horrible childhoods, with no one to look up to. *shurg*

Ben E Lou

07-26-2007, 06:38 PM

You were very blessed. A lot of kids have horrible childhoods, with no one to look up to. *shurg*

And it's the NFL's responsibility to take care of those kids?

Schmidty

07-26-2007, 06:48 PM

And it's the NFL's responsibility to take care of those kids?

Responsibility? Not in the technical sense; however, looking out for others, especially kids, is the compassionate thing to do. Some people actually think that caring about others is a good thing, regardless of whether or not it's their "responsibility".

sabotai

07-26-2007, 06:56 PM

I don't really give a crap about kids, but I personally do care about the image of the product that I enjoy. I enjoy the NFL product, and I don't want to see it ruined by the "thug" image, both on the field and off. "Thug" has ruined basketball, I don't want it to ruin football.

Crim

07-26-2007, 06:59 PM

It's the NFL's responsibility to protect its revenue, and I agree with some others who've opined that the tide of public opinion has been shifting toward intolerance (well, less tolerance anyway) for thugery. I don't care much about the players being good role models for my kids, but many paying customers do.

Subby

07-26-2007, 07:01 PM

Some people actually think that caring about others is a good thing, regardless of whether or not it's their "responsibility".
What the hell happened to you? All that seems to come out of your keyboard these days is lazy, moralizing bullshit.

TOM CRUISE WANTS YOU TO EXERCISE AND TAKE YOUR VITAMINS!

Ben E Lou

07-26-2007, 07:06 PM

What the hell happened to you? All that seems to come out of your keyboard these days is lazy, moralizing bullshit.

TOM CRUISE WANTS YOU TO EXERCISE AND TAKE YOUR VITAMINS!

Straight Outta Compton.

Schmidty

07-26-2007, 07:11 PM

What the hell happened to you? All that seems to come out of your keyboard these days is lazy, moralizing bullshit.

TOM CRUISE WANTS YOU TO EXERCISE AND TAKE YOUR VITAMINS!

I'm just being honest.

I guess what's happened is that I realized that constant cynicism is much more lazy and knee-jerk, than "moralizing bullshit". It just gets tiresome and makes me feel negative and shitty.

Now, I'm not equating cynicism with practicality and wisdom, as you have to be able to the look beyond the obvious at times.

Subby

07-26-2007, 07:26 PM

WHEN DID YOU GET SO FUCKING CYNICAL?

Schmidty

07-26-2007, 07:35 PM

WHEN DID YOU GET SO FUCKING CYNICAL?

I got brainwashed by Zombie Bob Ross.

WVUFAN

07-26-2007, 07:47 PM

The difference between Pacman, Henry, and Vick is Pacman and Henry were the very definition of multiple offenders.

I'm about as far from a Vick fan as you'll find, but Vick has had one major run-in with the law and its the current one. The other one was with the water bottle and the police admitted they had nothing on him there.

Ron Mexico. The issues at the airport. Vick has had more than one incident.

Richard Weed

07-26-2007, 08:02 PM

I wish people would buy up those Paul Tagliabue signed footballs so they aren't on shelves. It confuses me.

KWhit

07-26-2007, 08:57 PM

Ron Mexico. The issues at the airport. Vick has had more than one incident.

He's basically been given an indefinite suspension until they do their due diligence research.

You're wacked if you think he's getting off easy.

I bet he doesn't play football again this year.

Kodos

07-26-2007, 09:01 PM

These guys are being paid a lot of money. Expecting them not to be total assholes isn't too much to ask of them.

KWhit

07-26-2007, 09:05 PM

These guys are being paid a lot of money. Expecting them not to be total assholes isn't too much to ask of them.

Totally. I will NOT root for players who are bad guys off the field.

Obviously, any NFL team is going to have a few guys get into trouble, but when the face of a franchise is a lowlife, I will not support the team.

Atocep

07-26-2007, 11:36 PM

Ron Mexico. The issues at the airport. Vick has had more than one incident.

Completely different cases. Henry and Pacman were arrested and charged with crimes multiple times. Vick's first is the current issue. The Ron Mexico thing was a lawsuit that was resolved out of court, police weren't involved. Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing by the police in the waterbottle incident.

RendeR

07-27-2007, 12:18 AM

Anyone have a report on WHY they denied Odell Thurman's reinstatement? I thought perhaps it was the assault charge but after checking that I found it was a false statement and there never were any charges pressed.

Did he do something or mess up his testing program somewhere along the way? Seems awfully harsh to suspend someone for 2 years without at least giving him a shot for a short period.

Anybody got insider info?

RendeR

07-27-2007, 12:21 AM

Completely different cases. Henry and Pacman were arrested and charged with crimes multiple times. Vick's first is the current issue. The Ron Mexico thing was a lawsuit that was resolved out of court, police weren't involved. Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing by the police in the waterbottle incident.

See yer looking at actual charges or arrests, the Commissioner doesn't care if there are charges, he's looking at ANY incidence of an NFL player making the NFL look like a press gang of thugs.

Vick has had multiple incidents where he has done something stupid, on and off the field. You, I or anyone else may set arrests and charges at a higher level, Goodell doesn't, and I say good for him.

You create bad PR for the league, yer gonna get the hammer from the front office.

Sound policy that's been missing in that league.

Atocep

07-27-2007, 01:44 AM

See yer looking at actual charges or arrests, the Commissioner doesn't care if there are charges, he's looking at ANY incidence of an NFL player making the NFL look like a press gang of thugs.

Vick has had multiple incidents where he has done something stupid, on and off the field. You, I or anyone else may set arrests and charges at a higher level, Goodell doesn't, and I say good for him.

You create bad PR for the league, yer gonna get the hammer from the front office.

Sound policy that's been missing in that league.

I don't get what you're arguing here. The point being argued was that Vick is being treated differently by the commissioner than Henry and Pacman were.

As for your point, it remains to be seen. Goodell has stated that the policy is for repeat offenders and so far the grounds for suspension sited in the cases for Pacman, Henry, and Tank Johnson have all be charges/arrests.

If Goodell wants to site cases where it was a civil suit and another where charges were never brought on Vick then I'd be willing to bet the players union will step in.

Any suspension Vick gets is going to come soley from this indictment.