Crusader Kings Expansion

[WSUCougar]

WOOT! :D
Paradox Interactive announced today an expansion pack to Crusader Kings, their grand strategy game for players vying to create the most powerful dynasty of medieval Europe.

Play as the leader of a glorious dynasty in the period of 1066 to 1453 A.D. Your task? Amass prestige; increase the greatness of your lands and your treasure coffins, build Cathedrals and Castles, appoint vassals and battle traitors, introduce laws and set taxes while interacting with hundreds of courtiers and nobles.

In addition to a graphical overhaul to increase player experience, the epic and intense strategy expansion Deus Vult brings:
Various added inter-character relations, representing loyalty inside courts, relations between countries, as well as friends and rivals for all characters. No longer will realms just fall apart, a beleaguered King will always have friends who will support him. Also beware as your smoothly running realm could run into trouble when your nice loyal vassal becomes your rival.

Introduction of new gameplay aspects like the stability affecting realms, numerous traits for characters and options for diplomacy, such as the possibility to send fosterlings to other courts. Plus an all-new system for children. No longer will a 3 year old be able to run a realm effectively. Children are all now born with 0 stats and then develop over childhood. You'll never know how good your heir will be until he matures.

A revised interface to streamline gameplay, with several completely redesigned windows. Immediate alert icons highlight immediate problems with your realm and a full ledger with more than a dozen detailed pages.

A variety of new events as well as a substantial amount of changes and improvements to the tools used by modders.
Deus Vult is scheduled for a release in late September, 2007 and will be available through digital download on GamersGate. The game will retail for $14.99/€14.99.

[MrBug708]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[MrBug708]

Dola

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Izulde]

Praise be!!!!

[Blade6119]

*cries* Im just soooo happy *sobs*

[Izulde]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=315820 <--- screenshots!

[Izulde]

The developer's teaser from that thread.


Had a fun test-run on my second pc this afternoon as the Duke of Moray...

Took me 8 bloody years, but after that, there were no more Kingdom of Scotland, and we were all old ruled from London.

Siding with my rival when he insults me in front of the royal court was not a terribly bright idea of the King of Scotland. Dropped me to low stability, and I had a duke and the king as my rivals.. and my only friend the petty norwegian count of Shetland, and of course he was not useful to get as an ally.

So I did what all people do in those circumstances.. Pledged allegiance to England, and sent my oldest daughter as a fosterling to the English court.

And then declared war on my rival... And my liege in England helped.

Now, I'm an old man, but ruling over half of the scottish part of England, with 2 vassals in Ulster and Mar.... Only bad thing is that my only living son is both blind and a coward... And my daughter at the english court only befriend lesser courtiers.. damn her..

[MrBug708]

Obviously CK2 would have been prefered, but this is like 1A instead of #1 on my list. I've probably played CK more then any game not named CM/FM or TCY

[gi]

Hopefully you will not need the orginal CD, as I just lost it and believe it was thrown out. :(

[MrBug708]

Woooooooooooooooo :)

(I Love this game)

[Groundhog]

I've never played CK, but I might go grab it at lunch if I can find it in any of the stores. Is there warfare in the game, and if so, is it EU-esque?

[Izulde]

I've never played CK, but I might go grab it at lunch if I can find it in any of the stores. Is there warfare in the game, and if so, is it EU-esque?

There's warfare, yes and it's somewhat along the EU vein in that you move your troops to their intended locations but don't physically control them in battle.

However, your only control over your troop mix is in the realm laws you choose, so you don't actually buy and raise troops yourself--it happens automatically.

You can research different military technologies, though, which have various improvement effects on different parts of your army (i.e knights, heavy cavalry, light infantry, etc).

You may want to check the CK dynasties on the Paradox boards and look for some gameplay ones, too.

Or you can ask those of us who are CK addicts on the board here questions. :)

[path12]

The Paradox games should be right up my alley, but I haven't gotten hooked by one yet. This was the closest, but man, it seemed to just be a matter of waiting most of the time. I was never strong enough to invade anyone successfully, and other than trying to build what I could in my provinces I didn't know what to do.

[Groundhog]

There's warfare, yes and it's somewhat along the EU vein in that you move your troops to their intended locations but don't physically control them in battle.

However, your only control over your troop mix is in the realm laws you choose, so you don't actually buy and raise troops yourself--it happens automatically.

You can research different military technologies, though, which have various improvement effects on different parts of your army (i.e knights, heavy cavalry, light infantry, etc).

You may want to check the CK dynasties on the Paradox boards and look for some gameplay ones, too.

Or you can ask those of us who are CK addicts on the board here questions. :)

Ahhh nice, the underlined part REALLY interests me in particular. This is something that I wish more strategy games did, as it's a hell of a lot more realistic.

[Groundhog]

The Paradox games should be right up my alley, but I haven't gotten hooked by one yet. This was the closest, but man, it seemed to just be a matter of waiting most of the time. I was never strong enough to invade anyone successfully, and other than trying to build what I could in my provinces I didn't know what to do.

After messing about with EUIII for awhile, I know what you mean. I played EUIII all the way through once with Scotland and had a lot of fun, but the problem with not using one of the big nations is that there is just a heck of a lot of waiting around and doing nothing - especially with the very small nations. Realistic, but not a lot of fun. :)

I found myself craving a game that dealt more with the ruler and his heirs and political intrigue within my own country. Combining that with the fact that I definately prefer the time frame CK is set in with regards to European history, so it basically sounds like exactly the game I've been looking for!

[Neon_Chaos]

Oh yeah, this is going to rock.

[Groundhog]

Damn. Did a tour of every PC Game store in the Sydney CBD but not a single one had Crusader Kings. Ended up buying it online for $13AU incl. shipping, but now I gotta wait a few days for it to show up.

[MrBug708]

Oh yeah, this is going to rock.

I was waiting for you to chime in on this thread

[path12]

I found myself craving a game that dealt more with the ruler and his heirs and political intrigue within my own country. Combining that with the fact that I definately prefer the time frame CK is set in with regards to European history, so it basically sounds like exactly the game I've been looking for!

Me too. I think court intrigues are fascinating. Fantastic game subject if you do it right.

[Neon_Chaos]

I was waiting for you to chime in on this thread

I <3 Crusader Kings

[Blade6119]

my only hope, as i loved CK, is that they simplify finding a wife...it was way too time consuming

[Neon_Chaos]

my only hope, as i loved CK, is that they simplify finding a wife...it was way too time consuming

I would love to have an in-game bridefinder which takes into consideration the prestige of the mates, their standing in society, geograpic location and general stance between lieges.

[Calis]

Somehow I've never picked this one up. Is this just EU in the middle ages? I think I read on another board a description of it as more of a Role-playing Dynasty management sim than a EU3 type game. Is this true? If so, I'm in.

[WSUCougar]

Yes, definitely more of a dynasty thing. The goal of the game is to perpetuate your royal lineage; in fact, if you die without an heir, you're done (although you can always switch realms).

[Izulde]

Slight adjustment:

If you die without an heir as your same last dynasty name, you lose the game.

Unless you have no heirs at all, including non-dynasty heirs, in which case you get a country cousin (scrubby ruler with your dynasty's last name)

[DaddyTorgo]

I should really pick up this game on the cheap, as I have LOVED playing Medieval II:Total War with the "Blood, Broads, Bastards" mod, which seems to make it resemble CK (as much as it probably could).

Is it available for DL?

[MrBug708]

Not always Izulde. If you are the Germans then it goes to the next in line for the courts. You can also have a different last name depending on if the kingdom can be passed on maternally and to the strongest son.

[Barkeep49]

I should really pick up this game on the cheap, as I have LOVED playing Medieval II:Total War with the "Blood, Broads, Bastards" mod, which seems to make it resemble CK (as much as it probably could).

Is it available for DL?
Yes. Check out gamersgate

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes. Check out gamersgate

I hate you. Do you just want me to do NO work today on my "work from home" day? :D

[Mustang]

Yes. Check out gamersgate

I echo the sentiments of DT.

Thanks... :mad:

[Sporkimata]

Well from what I gleaned from looking at the paradox forums, the new ledger screen will let you sort brides by stats etc. So it should make bride finding much much easier.

[Barkeep49]

I hate you. Do you just want me to do NO work today on my "work from home" day? :D
They don't pay you enough anyway.

[DaddyTorgo]

They don't pay you enough anyway.

true. But the more I work, the more potential we have to get paid. And really getting seriously paid would be nice!

[DaddyTorgo]

I asked BK and he said he didn't know: does the game behave well with alt-tab and/or windowed mode??

I tend to do 98% of my gameplaying while multitasking, so this is pretty much a necessity

[Izulde]

I asked BK and he said he didn't know: does the game behave well with alt-tab and/or windowed mode??

I tend to do 98% of my gameplaying while multitasking, so this is pretty much a necessity

Never tried windowed mode and I don't even know if it's available.

I alt-tab out of it all the time though, because I'm playing at the same time I write my dynasty updates.

I would strongly suggest that you pause the game before alt-tabbing though, which is what I do. My suspicion is that as long as you pause it, you'll be fine, whereas if you leave it running, you could run the risk of a crash.

[DaddyTorgo]

Never tried windowed mode and I don't even know if it's available.

I alt-tab out of it all the time though, because I'm playing at the same time I write my dynasty updates.

I would strongly suggest that you pause the game before alt-tabbing though, which is what I do. My suspicion is that as long as you pause it, you'll be fine, whereas if you leave it running, you could run the risk of a crash.

thanks izulde. That's all I was waiting on!

[Izulde]

Not always Izulde. If you are the Germans then it goes to the next in line for the courts. You can also have a different last name depending on if the kingdom can be passed on maternally and to the strongest son.

Yeah and different last name = game over. It has to be the same last name as your dynasty or the game ends. :)

Which is why I always use some form of salic inheritance. Semi-salic is too damned risky.

[TazFTW]

GoGamer.com is currently selling Crusader Kings for $1.99.

http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5590267&extid=900080407

[cougarfreak]

Does anyone know if CK will work with Windows Vista? If so, I'm buying.

[MrBug708]

Yes. I have it on Vista

[cougarfreak]

Yes. I have it on Vista

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh taz...you marvelous little man!

[astrosfan64]

Yes. Check out gamersgate

Where did you find Blood, Broads, Bastards mod?

[DaddyTorgo]

Where did you find Blood, Broads, Bastards mod?


blood, broads, bastards is a mod for Medieval II: Total War.

It's available on the Total War Center Forums

[astrosfan64]

blood, broads, bastards is a mod for Medieval II: Total War.

It's available on the Total War Center Forums

Yeah, i was looking for it I just couldn't find it. But, I was checking the official forums let me try there instead.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, i was looking for it I just couldn't find it. But, I was checking the official forums let me try there instead.

it should be under the mods forum. Not to threadjack, but I have found that there are a couple solid "conversion mods" out there, and CA actually made it fairly easy to switch mods this time around. I have Stainless Steel and Lands to Conquer and The Long Road all installed. I find myself playing Stainless Steel the most (which includes blood, broads, bastards, as do the other two)

[astrosfan64]

it should be under the mods forum. Not to threadjack, but I have found that there are a couple solid "conversion mods" out there, and CA actually made it fairly easy to switch mods this time around. I have Stainless Steel and Lands to Conquer and The Long Road all installed. I find myself playing Stainless Steel the most (which includes blood, broads, bastards, as do the other two)

Daddy, I just downloaed stainless steel, do I need the ultimate AI mod for it as well? Or does SS come with ultimate ai mod?

[DaddyTorgo]

Daddy, I just downloaed stainless steel, do I need the ultimate AI mod for it as well? Or does SS come with ultimate ai mod?

I BELIEVE stainless incorporates the ultimate AI mod but I'm not sure. You'd hafta read the Stainless Steel thread, or check in the readme.

[DaddyTorgo]

anyways, BBB has totally made me want CK. I was all set to order from gamersgate last night, but how can I turn down $1.90 at gogamer?

[astrosfan64]

anyways, BBB has totally made me want CK. I was all set to order from gamersgate last night, but how can I turn down $1.90 at gogamer?

Yeah, I'm going to pick up CK myself. But, I'm going to wait till the expansion.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, I'm going to pick up CK myself. But, I'm going to wait till the expansion.

the expansion won't be standalone though, will it?

[gi]

the expansion won't be standalone though, will it?

I hope it is and it pretty much better be, since there has been significant time since the original.

[DaddyTorgo]

I hope it is and it pretty much better be, since there has been significant time since the original.

aaah ok

[Mustang]

Is there a good Crusader King tutorial out there. Seems like alot going on at any given time. I'm grasping the basics but, things like 'Should X person marry Y person' I'm scratching my head at.

[MrBug708]

I'm not sure how much of a tutorial is needed; everything is fairly self explanatory. Your kingdom will generally make money provided you are not at war. The smaller the kingdom there really isn't much to do. If you take an isolationist stance you can set the speed rather fast to actually make things happen. As for marriage, it's fairly hard to find someone Young and with excellent stats. In the latest version of CK, the infant mortality rate is much higher and probably more realistic. Other then that, trial and error is probably the best way to learn in the game.

[Izulde]

No, the expansion is not standalone. You need CK to be able to play it.

[Izulde]

Is there a good Crusader King tutorial out there. Seems like alot going on at any given time. I'm grasping the basics but, things like 'Should X person marry Y person' I'm scratching my head at.

A few basic tips:

If you need heirs, marry as young as possible. 16 is ideal, but I'd go under 20 if at all possible.

If you're looking to marry to give yourself a chance at inheriting a land, look for County/Duchy/Kingdom with semi-salic inheritance laws and marry the oldest eligible daughter of the titled noble you can find, preferably one with no male heirs.

If you want to have the best chance possible of creating a super courtier, look at statistics.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. Crusader Kings has arrived from gogamer. Any must-have patches/mods/stuff?

[Neon_Chaos]

The latest Patch 1.05 is a MUST.

[DaddyTorgo]

1.05 has been Dled and installed

[Neon_Chaos]

Look for a good Coat of Arms mod, facepacks, and picture sets in the forums. I'm sure you can find something that suits you.

After that, you're set to play.

[DaddyTorgo]

Look for a good Coat of Arms mod, facepacks, and picture sets in the forums. I'm sure you can find something that suits you.

After that, you're set to play.

yeah. Gotta get rid of these ugly people.

[Izulde]

I think there's Improvement Packs floating around that some people use too, but I still stick to Vanilla.

There's also some Event Packs that people have a lot of fun with, but again I haven't messed with those. :)

I'm pretty boring with my CK experience.... I just have vanilla with the 1.05 patch on top. ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

Vanilla with 1.05 is definitely the way to go. The other improvements are too unbalanced IMO.

[Izulde]

FWIW, since I know there's some relatively new CKers about, this AAR/dynasty is often regarded as good reading material for beginners:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229413

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW, since I know there's some relatively new CKers about, this AAR/dynasty is often regarded as good reading material for beginners:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229413


sweet. thanks izulde. i know i installed and started poking a bit but there were some things i felt weren't explained wonderfully or I didn't read the manual well-enough to figure out. I'll need to poke around the forums over there and read that AAR and what-not and see if I can figure out some of the stuff.

[MrBug708]

Not out yet but I'm hoping it's any day...

[MrBug708]

Countdown for the next announcement from Paradox (http://www.gamersgate.com/index.php)

[MrBug708]

Link to a PDF file explaining what Deus Vult is going to be about (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325225)

Awesome :)

[MrBug708]

And a few Dola's in...

It comes out tomorrow; late tonight I believe

[Neon_Chaos]

DAMNIT BUG.

I just soiled myself TWICE in one day now.

Jeez.

[Icy]

This is huge as the lack of it was he main reason for me to get tired of CK:

1.3 Ledger
For Deus Vult we have added a ledger as a reference tool to aid in your game play.
You are not obliged to use the ledger it is simply there as a tool. We have also added
the ability to double click on a character in the ledger and it will open the character
screen in the main game. The ledger is especially useful for keeping track of
characters. Here you can find brides and you can see what titles members of your
dynasty could inherit and thus who could really do with having an accident.

[Blade6119]

You just sold me the game Icy

[Izulde]

Sucky part about this is, old savegames aren't compatible... which means I'll have to wait until I finish BG&HC before getting DV.

[MrBug708]

It's live

[SunDevil]

Though I am looking forward to this expansion, I'm in no real rush to get it just yet. While Paradox has a reputation of making great games, those same games also need some time before a patch or two comes out to fix issues. I expect this CK expansion to be no different.

[Icy]

Umm should i buy it? NBA2k8 will be here in about a week... and then FM08...I need to resist the urge.

[Icy]

Great, i managed to control my urge to buy it for full 30 minutes..... then i pulled my credit card and bought it.

I'm slowly getting better controlling my games addition!

Installing it now!

[Icy]

Dola, it works perfectly in windowed mode that is a great addition as i like to do other stuff when i play games. This plus the included ladger is a huge improvement to this game, and the expansion price is just $14.99

[Eilim]

Ug... Quake Wars, Team fortress 2, and now this. Throw in my recent CoH addiction and I don't think I'll be sleeping for the next few months.

[gi]

Yeah, this might have to wait a while for me. I'll also have to repurchase Crusader Kings, since I lost the orginial disk. With Lord of the Rings Online, Civ IV BTS, and FM2008...I'm busy :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Do you need the original disc of CK, or just an original installation on the PC?

[twothree]

Do you need the original disc of CK, or just an original installation on the PC?

Just an original installation of CK is needed. It does not ask for the CK disk during the installation. However, if you have a disk installation, be prepared to hit a button a couple hundred times to change the read-only attribute of every file that it overwrites.

[Coffee Warlord]

How incredibly convenient that I have tomorrow off. God wills it!

[Neon_Chaos]

21 MB of downloadable goodness. :)

[Icy]

The downloadable version of CK is $7 only at gamersgate and it comes with a manual in pdf, for those that don't have the original.

[MrBug708]

Just an original installation of CK is needed. It does not ask for the CK disk during the installation. However, if you have a disk installation, be prepared to hit a button a couple hundred times to change the read-only attribute of every file that it overwrites.

Ya, that was annoying

[Icy]

Just an original installation of CK is needed. It does not ask for the CK disk during the installation. However, if you have a disk installation, be prepared to hit a button a couple hundred times to change the read-only attribute of every file that it overwrites.

Ya, that was annoying

Don't forget the old but great MSDOS:

Start->Run

Type cmd

Once you see the DOS Box type:

cd \Program Files\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings

then you type:

attrib /s -r *.*

<!-- / message --><!-- controls --> then you can install the expansion without any message asking for overwriting.

[Coffee Warlord]

Even easier, I think you can mass unset the readonly flag in windows as well by just opening the properties in the main folder and toggling it on/off.

[gi]

Command-line warrior!

[John Galt]

Once upon a time, I downloaded CK. I've looked through my email and I can't find any confirmation email or any other record of the purchase. Do any of you know how the download works or how I could get a new copy?

[Icy]

Once upon a time, I downloaded CK. I've looked through my email and I can't find any confirmation email or any other record of the purchase. Do any of you know how the download works or how I could get a new copy?

If you bought a downloadable version and not DVD, then you probably bought it from www.gamersgate.com and there you can download it again after loging with your user/pass. There is also a button to resend you the password.

[MrBug708]

Where the heck is the ledger in the game?

[Icy]

Where the heck is the ledger in the game?

It took me a lot to discover it too. At the left down side, there is a small button between the + and - for the map zoom. Click on that button, on the screen that appears, advance to pages 4, 5, etc that is the ledger, wife finder etc.

[Neon_Chaos]

How does the game feel? Is it as expected? I'm going to make the monumental decision of buying the damn thing or not. :)

[MrBug708]

It seems to have a much cleaner graphic feel, it has the EU2/3 date change pause that is annoying but I like everything else about it. Many more events and worth it :)

[Icy]

How does the game feel? Is it as expected? I'm going to make the monumental decision of buying the damn thing or not. :)

If you liked the original, you will love the improvements, but if you didn't like it, you won't like this a lot as the gameplay etc is more or less the same, with a bit better graphics and some improvements that are huge for old CK players, but that maybe are not that noticeable to new players.

[John Galt]

If you bought a downloadable version and not DVD, then you probably bought it from www.gamersgate.com and there you can download it again after loging with your user/pass. There is also a button to resend you the password.

Thanks! That worked great.

[Neon_Chaos]

*evil chuckle*

20% DOWNLOADING....


MUHAHAHAHA

ENGLAND SHALL RISE ONCE AGAIN!

[Izulde]

I take it this is a sign I need to update like mad and finish off my dynasty so I can buy this. :D

[Blade6119]

Yes, i assume them not responding means their too deep in gameplay to come here..must resist the urge!

[Coffee Warlord]

So, after my old friend and liege, the King of Denmark, decided to go batshit for the Crusades, trying to take me with him into war, we regretfully broke off the Duchy of Sjaelland from the Kingdom.

Alas, our worst fears proved true about this foolish crusade. The Poles invaded Denmark, overthrowing the King and crowning themselves King of Poland and Denmark. Finding the lands hard to rule, the Polish King passed ownership of Denmark to the Church, and the fractured realm of Denmark is now ruled by the Archbishop.

In Sjaelland, now the last piece of free Danish soil, we wait. Denmark will be reunited by the famed Duke of Sjaelland, and the crown shall return to Danish hands. Oh yes.

[MrBug708]

It's worth it IMO. Much better gameplay and I havent seen a Muslim Germany yet :)

Scotland held part of the holy lands and they lost it when the kingdom declared independence becoming a Muslim country again.

But the wife finder is super helpful. The rivals friends doesn't seem to play that big of a piece though. But annointing your court has been made so easy. You don't have to scan through every courtier but just click the spot you want ot fill and it lists all your courtiers and their attribute for that role.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm finding it hard to get into the game, although all the new changes are quite refreshing. I've had 3 CTD's so far. It's frustrating, specially when you're midway through a sweeping crusade. :)

[JPhillips]

Did you guys start from a clean install of CK or just install it over any mods you might be using?

[MrBug708]

I'm finding it hard to get into the game, although all the new changes are quite refreshing. I've had 3 CTD's so far. It's frustrating, specially when you're midway through a sweeping crusade. :)

The first game I played, about 7 minutes into it, it froze on me. No ctd's, just froze. Most of the time when I get ctd's it's when playing and using the "die" cheat when it happens.

[SunDevil]

Yep, I will be waiting for at least 2 patches to come out before I pick this up. Then again, I will probably be waiting a year. :D

[MrBug708]

There actually isn't a lot of problems from what I gather; not on a normal paradox release at least

[Neon_Chaos]

The "send gift" exploit is still there. :(

[path12]

I just reinstalled the original game and the patch. Now I have to decide if I actually like the game enough to buy the expansion.....



.....who am I kidding? I'll have it by the end of the weekend.

[MrBug708]

Anyone been playing extensively? I'm getting a bad run of CTD errors so I'm hoping for a patch semi soon

[Izulde]

I don't have the expansion, but I know a lot of people have remarked about the CTDs and the fact that the vassal system seems to be broken at current.

So hopefully both things will be fixed in a patch.

[JPhillips]

The CTDs have taken me away from the game. The vassal issue doesn't bother me as much. When they get it patched I'll jump right back in. In between crashes it's a hell of a lot of fun.

[Peregrine]

I've been playing old CK for now, once they patch DV to get rid of the CTD issues that everyone is complaining about, I'll pick it up.

[John Galt]

Can someone tell me how to run DV in windowed mode? I've read the instructions in the manual, but I can't figure out how to change the command line on my Windows shortcut. I also don't know if there is supposed to a "/" or "-" or some other character added to the line. Thanks.

[Warhammer]

Anyone play Crusader Kings MP?

[Izulde]

Anyone play Crusader Kings MP?

Never tried it and unfortunately won't get a chance to until I'm back in the States. Would be cool to try though. :)

[MrBug708]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331766

Beta patch released

[Izulde]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331766

Beta patch released

I'm cautiously optimistic about the pledging being fixed, though reviews naturally need forthcoming and I still need to finish my current AAR before picking up DV.

[MrBug708]

I played about 5 years quickly and didn't have a problem with a coach

[sabotai]

I saw there is a mod to convert CK games to EU3 games. Anyone have a chance to try it out? I plan on buying the Napoleon's Ambition expansion for EUIII (after I'm done with my Aragon dynasty). It'd be great to start off with CK (haven't played it yet, but sounds pretty good) in 1066 and then go from there.

[Groundhog]

I finally picked up CK and the expansion last week and have been having a blast. I picked a count in Ireland to start with and after around 70 years I was King of Ireland. I made a few screwups though, as my #1 heir had an intenstinal worm and was 'stressed' since the age of around 8. I figured he'd die young, and I had two other eligible heirs beside him. Unforunately, he lived a long, long life. I made a horrendous choice with him when he was in his 30s (and still alive...) and ended up getting excommunicated, which, so it turns out, is a very, very bad thing. My court members began leaving in large numbers and my two heirs (brothers of my ruler, as the intenstinal worm meant that my ruler had no children) who I had granted count titles to both turned against me and declared war on me. I destroyed them, leaving me with no heirs. My ruler was 'seriously injured' in the battles, leaving him 'stressed', 'intestinal wormed', and 'seriously injured', yet he still lived to be 52 before dying, and bringing my game to an end.

My next game I want to start as an independant single-province count in a decent European province, any suggestions? Ireland was a lot of fun, but I'd like to be somewhere that opens the possibilities of dealing with the Islamic nations.

[Groundhog]

dola

The CTDs have been VERY annoying however. I usually get one every 5 years or so. Turning auto-save on after each year helps, but more times than I care to recall I've lost out big thanks to these crashes, most memorably when two of my heirs got the "prodigy" trait.

[Izulde]

I haven't touched DV myself because while the patch has fixed a lot of the CTDs and the vassalage problems, it hasn't fixed all of them. Oh and there's the small matter of not being able to continue vanilla CK games in DV for obvious reasons.

As for a good indy county to play with to deal with the Islamic nations, I'd go with Salerno.

[SunDevil]

Yep, I will be waiting for at least 2 patches to come out before I pick this up. Then again, I will probably be waiting a year. :D

Still waiting. :D

[path12]

OK, I'm trying this out again. I'm a count in Ireland starting in 1066. There has been very little to do so far in the first dozen years -- I don't have enough of an army to invade anyone, research hasn't come up with anything so far, a thieves guild is killing my income, and my family is fucked up beyond belief with rivalries and idiot sons convinced they're better than the folks I have appointed (they are most decidedly not), but hopefully when my initial guy dies the successor looks to be a bit more capable.

So my question is this: is this normal? Is there more I should be doing? I tried to assassinate my rival in prep to invade, but failed and took the big prestige hit.

Other questions: Is there an easier way to find marriages than just clicking on each country? How can I get rid of the thieves guild?

This is Deus Vult with the 2.1 beta patch.

[MrBug708]

Ireland can be kind of boring once you unite it. You can try to get involved with the other battles because you are fairly safe from invasion and can pick off different provinces as you go. If you can vassalize the Welsh provinces, you can start to pick apart England, especially if Scotland/France are on your side.

[path12]

Ireland can be kind of boring once you unite it. You can try to get involved with the other battles because you are fairly safe from invasion and can pick off different provinces as you go. If you can vassalize the Welsh provinces, you can start to pick apart England, especially if Scotland/France are on your side.


How long might it take to unite it? I can't even expand past my one county right now, much less the entire island......

[MrBug708]

How long might it take to unite it? I can't even expand past my one county right now, much less the entire island......

Generally when you start, you need to pick a county to go after as some of them start off not vassaled to anyone else. It's more or less luck. If you can pledge to England early, you can also get their help. I'm not sure which of the counties start with claims on other counties but it should be fairly easy. A lot of quick play needs to be involved with Ireland

[Critch]

I saw there is a mod to convert CK games to EU3 games. Anyone have a chance to try it out? I plan on buying the Napoleon's Ambition expansion for EUIII (after I'm done with my Aragon dynasty). It'd be great to start off with CK (haven't played it yet, but sounds pretty good) in 1066 and then go from there.

I havent tried the mod, but it apparently does a fairly good job.

Paradox released an official converter for Victoria to Hearts of Iron II, that works pretty well. I've been playing as the US in HoI II with a game that started as a Victoria game, it'll be interesting to see how/if a World War kicks off when most of Europe is already split between Germany, Turkey and Austria and where the UK is too busy occupying China and Africa to bother with anything else.

[Godzilla Blitz]

I havent tried the mod, but it apparently does a fairly good job.

Paradox released an official converter for Victoria to Hearts of Iron II, that works pretty well. I've been playing as the US in HoI II with a game that started as a Victoria game, it'll be interesting to see how/if a World War kicks off when most of Europe is already split between Germany, Turkey and Austria and where the UK is too busy occupying China and Africa to bother with anything else.

Wow.

So is there a way now that you could start with Crusader Kings and go all the way through to HoI II?

[Izulde]

Wow.

So is there a way now that you could start with Crusader Kings and go all the way through to HoI II?

Yep, in fact there's a few Mega-Campaign AARs floating around the Paradox boards that set out to do that.

[Izulde]

OK, I'm trying this out again. I'm a count in Ireland starting in 1066. There has been very little to do so far in the first dozen years -- I don't have enough of an army to invade anyone, research hasn't come up with anything so far, a thieves guild is killing my income, and my family is fucked up beyond belief with rivalries and idiot sons convinced they're better than the folks I have appointed (they are most decidedly not), but hopefully when my initial guy dies the successor looks to be a bit more capable.

So my question is this: is this normal? Is there more I should be doing? I tried to assassinate my rival in prep to invade, but failed and took the big prestige hit.

I very very rarely use assassinations myself. The risk factor is too great for me. Honestly I find Ireland pretty boring to play in unless you have one of the stronger counties or are a duchy.

Other questions: Is there an easier way to find marriages than just clicking on each country? How can I get rid of the thieves guild?

This is Deus Vult with the 2.1 beta patch.

There's supposed to be a ledger in DV to make it easier to find brides in DV, IIRC. I know in vanilla CK I go through all the different counties to find someone.

As for the thieves guild, build a court of justice. It won't eliminate the thieves guild right away, but it'll shorten the time it takes for the guild to disband.

[Groundhog]

I like this game. A lot.

I've been playing with Salerno and having a lot of fun, and strangely I haven't had a single crash and I'm around a century in. I conquered 4 provinces around me in Italy before my superb king died at age 70, leaving me with a not-so-superb king who didn't have the ability to rule more than 2 provinces. I granted the title of duke to two of my court members to take over the provinces (didn't want to give any one of my courtiers both provinces, as the provinces have about 2-3k soldiers each) which has cut my monthly income a bit.

For the past decade or so I've been bidding my time, waiting for the nearby County of 6 or 7 provinces to split up or be attacked so I can make a move and look at becoming a king.

One problem I've had is my courtier's loyalty dropping down to 0.0 fairly frequently, and I haven't worked out a way to prevent that happening. Often wives I bring in for my men START with 0.0 loyalty, and that's understandable enough I suppose, but it's frustrating when one of my king's grandsons grows up to be an ace military genius, only to see his loyalty quickly plummet month after month until he leaves to another court. Anyone got any tips on how I can help prevent that?

[Izulde]

I like this game. A lot.

I've been playing with Salerno and having a lot of fun, and strangely I haven't had a single crash and I'm around a century in. I conquered 4 provinces around me in Italy before my superb king died at age 70, leaving me with a not-so-superb king who didn't have the ability to rule more than 2 provinces. I granted the title of duke to two of my court members to take over the provinces (didn't want to give any one of my courtiers both provinces, as the provinces have about 2-3k soldiers each) which has cut my monthly income a bit.

For the past decade or so I've been bidding my time, waiting for the nearby County of 6 or 7 provinces to split up or be attacked so I can make a move and look at becoming a king.

One problem I've had is my courtier's loyalty dropping down to 0.0 fairly frequently, and I haven't worked out a way to prevent that happening. Often wives I bring in for my men START with 0.0 loyalty, and that's understandable enough I suppose, but it's frustrating when one of my king's grandsons grows up to be an ace military genius, only to see his loyalty quickly plummet month after month until he leaves to another court. Anyone got any tips on how I can help prevent that?

Hover over the loyalty thing and find out -why- loyalty is dropping. It'll give you a mouseover screen that shows the pluses and minuses to loyalty.

Things it could be: (Keep in mind I don't have DV):

1. Your reputation
Solution: Get your piety up by church donations, making bishophorics, etc.

2. Your diplomacy score
Solution: Find a better chancellor

3. Character traits of person loyalty is dropping in
Solution: None, really.

4. Realm Law. If you have Royal Peragatory (sp), your vassals' loyalty will drop over time.
Solution: Change to Feudal Contract

General Tips for Raising Loyalty
1. Change Realm Law to Feudal Contract
2. Bribe people with gifts of money
3. Grant people titles
4. Raise your piety to ensure your reputation is as spotless as possible. Note, it could take many months or even years to raise your reputation up again, depending on how bad it is.
5. Find the best chancellor you can get.

[Abe Sargent]

I haven't touched DV myself because while the patch has fixed a lot of the CTDs and the vassalage problems, it hasn't fixed all of them. Oh and there's the small matter of not being able to continue vanilla CK games in DV for obvious reasons.

As for a good indy county to play with to deal with the Islamic nations, I'd go with Salerno.

Remembering my CK dynasty are ya? :)

[ColtCrazy]

Now I know why I missed this place...cool information like this.

Speaking of Paradox expansions, did anyone get the one for Victoria?

[Groundhog]

BTW, the ledger is FANTASTIC for finding good brides. Sure beats clicking on 100 shields until you find one.

[Izulde]

Remembering my CK dynasty are ya? :)

That and it's simply the best position to start in for that kind of setup, in my opinion. You can pick off the independent Muslims in Sicily one at a time if you can beat the damn de Hautevilles to the punch (I hate them more than any other dynasty in the game), because you're both militarily powerful enough and rich enough to where you don't have to worry -too- much about money and winning wars.

You can also eat independent neighbor Capua too, to give you a stronger base in Italy, though if I was playing Salerno, I'd probably be more inclined to conquer Sicily, as there's no badboy to worry about and it gives you a stronger base to go foraying into some of the weaker North African Muslim territories.

[Izulde]

Now I know why I missed this place...cool information like this.

Speaking of Paradox expansions, did anyone get the one for Victoria?

Nope, I just have vanilla Vicky on my desktop. It's the one Paradox game I want to try really hard to love, especially after a course I took in 19th C Latin American History with the most amazing professor I've ever had, but I just can't do it.

[ColtCrazy]

Nope, I just have vanilla Vicky on my desktop. It's the one Paradox game I want to try really hard to love, especially after a course I took in 19th C Latin American History with the most amazing professor I've ever had, but I just can't do it.

Really? I love Vicky, although I admit I get bored when the games get to tanks/planes. I love the time frame and the warfare of that era. Although, frankly, if it's Paradox I'll give it a try. A friend and I are going to start a little MP EU3 now that I have a computer that can run it. :) And CK is great...though I haven't got it reloaded on this comp yet. Great CK dynasty btw.

[Abe Sargent]

Just wanted to let you guys know that in a few minutes i intend to d/l DV and install it and patch it if needed. Then I'll be starting a new dynasty, and no, I don;t know who I'll be. :)

Just in case you don;t see me around for a few days...

[chesapeake]

I've been looking for a new game to play after being so disappointed with Pirates of the Burning Sea, so I dropped the $30 for CK and DV. I was a little worried about all the instability issues I read about on the Paradox boards, but had no problems in the 3 hours I logged last night.

I'm playing as the Duke of Leinster to learn the ropes. About the only noteworthy event I've had in 10 years has been a falling out with my wife who subsequently met with an unfortunate accident involving a falling gargoyle.

[JPhillips]

The CTDs have pulled me away from CK even though I think DV is fantastic. I was crashing multiple times an hour and I just got tired of it.

[Groundhog]

I don't know why, but I haven't had a single crash in my 7+ hours of using Salerno.

When I was playing as an Irish nation, I was getting one every few years of game time.

[Groundhog]

What exactly is the vassal bug? I haven't noticed it, but then I probably just don't know how vassal's are supposed to work.

Also, this game REALLY needs a "find province" button like in EUIII. Too many times I find myself alt-tabbing out to wiki to search for where some province is located.

I'm still playing as Salerno, but I think I should have cranked up the difficulty. It's 1211 and I'm King of Sicily and King of Egypt, and by far the strongest nation in the game (my score is about 18,000, next closest is a few Islamic nations at around the 4,000 mark). No other Kingdom really exists close to their historical size. England is broken up amongst the Scottish, English, and Norwegians. France is controlled by the the King of England, but many other European nations have territory there. Germany is busted up. The Papal States and the Kingdom of Italy are about to be absorbed by me on my quest to conquer all of Italy.

I know the Mongols aren't far off however, and I've yet to see them in action. I'm expecting that to make life tough for me, especially as there is no strong Russian nation. The Byzantines might be the best hope at stopping the Mongols from delving too close to my territory, but if the Mongols are as insanely numerous as I've heard, I don't see it happening.

[twothree]

What exactly is the vassal bug?

It might be one of many issues/opinions with how vassals should work, but my best guess would be that it is a reference to vassals making "historically" unlikely pledges. See the following thread for details and an unofficial event fix.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326287

Edited to add: It is also discussed in this older thread.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325460

[Critch]

Speaking of Paradox expansions, did anyone get the one for Victoria?

I have the expansion for Victoria, it doesn't add much but it's only $10. Most of the addition is to the end of the game, it adds 15 years plus a converter so you can carry the game on in HoI (the reason I bought it).

Other than that there are a few tweaks to the military, political and economic systems. Nothing huge, other than the extra years it's more of a patch than an expansion.

[Critch]

dola: I've only played 1 game with the Victoria expansion, I went from 1836 to about 1915 with the vanilla game before switching over to the expansion to get through to 1936 and the start of HoI2. In 1915 everything looked pretty much like you'd expect on the World map, the main European powers were all still there, all their borders were roughly in the "correct" place. North America was much as you'd expect other than the US border with Mexico was a little further north, Nova Scotia was British and independent from Canada, and Arizona was French (don't know what happened there) but nothing hugely ahistorical.

Within a couple of years of switching to the expansion, everything changed. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence (only one game is a small sample size I know), or if the AI was trying to force a World War at roughly the correct time, but the AI powers went war crazy. There wasn't a true World War, but lots of little wars broke out. The Austrians and Germans crushed France and Italy a few times til Italy all but vanished and France was about 1/3 it's size, The Ottoman Empire and Persia invaded into Russia from the south, The British and Americans "liberated" all of France's African and Asian colonies, The Russians and their Swedish allies invaded Japan while fighting off the Ottoman/Persian alliance, the Dutch invaded the newly reduced and defenseless France, and finally the Austrian and German allies turned on each other before settling for stalemate.

For about 14 years all the major powers other than the British fought war after war, fighting themselves to a standstill until they ran out of manpower. The British had other things on their mind, there were constant uprisings starting in Scotland and sweeping all the way down to London. It was like the Jacobites turned up nearly 200 years late. Other than the anti-French colonial wars in Africa and China, the British kept themselves to themselves.

So based on this one game, the AI may be more warlike in the expansion. Or maybe it isnt, who knows. One other thing the expansion added was CTDs in my game, everything was fine til about 1934 but then I had to inch slowly through constant CTDs saving every couple of weeks to get to 1936 and HoI2.

[MrBug708]

I'm on a huge game as the Duke of Mechenburg (or however it's spelled). The vassal bug can get annoying at times though and unless you start out in Spain (which is my next game) the first senario always has Spain ending up as Muslim and all but wiping out any Spanish influence

[JPhillips]

Critch: I found the Vicky patch to be a huge change at least in terms of economics. The way factories are now built by capitalists really changes the game.

[Critch]

Sorry, I didn't realize the changes were so game changing.

I played as a little out of the way country to get to the conversion process quicker, I wanted to test the conversion before trying to play a game through from 1836 to 1964 across the games. I guess the factory changes didn't affect an impoverished Uruguay much.

I'll have to hit vickiwiki to read up before starting again if the game has changed a good deal.

[Eilim]

I have to say, between this thread and both Anxiety and Izulde's dynasties, I've been sucked fully back into my old CK obsession. Just to give an idea, here's my paradox folder:

http://www.uafasach.net/stuff/paradox.jpg


DV hasn't just gotten me interested in playing mods, but even trying my hand at making my own. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Jesus. :)

All this talk about CK made me, of course, fire it back up for another Danish Invasion. Started as a lowly count, overthrew the King of Denmark, are slowly whittling away provinces in Norway and Sweden, and will be looking to return England and Ireland to Danish rule soon. Bringin' back the Danelaw.

May pause to do a Spanish game, though. That does sound sorta amusing.

[Groundhog]

So the Mongols finally arrived. Damn. I'd installed a Mod that recreates Mongol destruction in the provinces, and by the looks of things those crazy Mongolian herdsmen are having a hell of a time in Western Europe right now.

[atatange1]

I got DV and am now encountering a problem and I thought I would ask you guys before I post on Paradox's forum. The problem is that when I upgrade to the new beta patch it messes up the graphics in game. The menus and background pictures seem fine but the shields and the map are hard to read. When you click on province and try to look at the army I can not read how many of men and of what type make up the army. However, playing DV 2.0 this is not an issue. Have any of yo seen this or now how to fix it?

[Abe Sargent]

I got DV and am now encountering a problem and I thought I would ask you guys before I post on Paradox's forum. The problem is that when I upgrade to the new beta patch it messes up the graphics in game. The menus and background pictures seem fine but the shields and the map are hard to read. When you click on province and try to look at the army I can not read how many of men and of what type make up the army. However, playing DV 2.0 this is not an issue. Have any of yo seen this or now how to fix it?

Noclue - never seen it.

[Coffee Warlord]

Makes two of us. I've never had any graphical issues with CK. Did with EU once, but that was from a mod.

[Eilim]

While not aimed at me as I'm pretty much an "RP heavy" CK player, I ran across this thread for a utility that looks like it could make it easier for me to get a handle on how the game world is shaping up and where to look for good stories to tell.

Anyways, thought some of you might like to check it out: Dynastic Glory 0.1 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=339966)

[aran]

I bought CK and HoI in a bundle a few years back and just picked up DV. Never really got into CK, though I love HoI and think CK has great potential. I'm trying to get the damn thing (CK + DV) to run in window mode, but I'm getting a "Cannot initialize video" error that no-one has reported on the paradox forums. :(

I'm also on a widescreen monitor, so everything looks terrible. Even when I change the resolution in the settings file.

[Eilim]

I have the same issue, I just gave up on trying to run the game in windowed mode. :( If you do ever figure it out, please post how, as it would make taking notes while playing a whole lot easier.

[atatange1]

I think I figured out my problem. it was the binkplayer video that played before the game loaded that seems to have been the problem, for 2.0 or 2.1. I changed the name to xbinkplayer so it wouldn't load and I seem to be able to load 2.1 without any problems, for now, I've only loaded it with 2.1 a couple of times.

[Alan T]

I've recently gotten on a new kick where I've been watching the Showtime series "The Tudors" .. of course that instantly got me to fire back up CK again, and I ended up buying the DV expansion.. ugh I don't have time for this! :)

At least it runs on my work laptop so I can take it with me as I travel around, unlike EU3!

[MrBug708]

I think I finally came to a point where I played myself out of this game.

[Izulde]

I've been trying to figure out where I put my disc, because I've got the craving to just play again.

[ColtCrazy]

Since we are talking all paradox games, has anyone tried the either of the EUIII expansions? The In Nomine one looks interesting.

As for CK, I still have it on the HD but haven't fired it up recently. I might have to, my CivIV fix is dying out again.

[Samdari]

I've been trying to figure out where I put my disc, because I've got the craving to just play again.

You do not really need the disc.

You have not gotten the expansion, right?

I assume this means you are playing 1.05? Just get the .rar version of the patch, extract to your DK folder, and there is no disc check. Now, go FINISH THE DAMN DYNASTY.

[Barkeep49]

Since we are talking all paradox games, has anyone tried the either of the EUIII expansions? The In Nomine one looks interesting.

As for CK, I still have it on the HD but haven't fired it up recently. I might have to, my CivIV fix is dying out again.
I played a lot of Napoleon's Ambition with the Magnus Mondi mod and it really felt like a much better game than regular EU. More challenging, but also more rewarding.

[Barkeep49]

I've been playing CK again, and just loving it. My first game I started as a count in Ireland and became King of Ireland, before running out of heirs and having the game end. I'm now in my second game where I started as King of Scotland, with the goal of uniting Great Britain. I have gotten Wales and Ireland without too much hassle. I am a somewhat roadblock, as England has decimating most of France in France (though the King of France is quite powerful in Spain) so I've just not got the man power to go up against him in any sort of way. Also hurting matters was that my ruler went mad which caused all sorts of problems as I had to go to war several times just to hang onto my kingdom, while having little money to support these wars. Over the course of these wars I went from having 2000 gold to being -5000 gold. His son finally took over and so far I've just been focusing on restoring all of the things that were lost under the last king. It has been an absolute blast and the minor changes that DV has offered have made gameplay so much smoother.

[Blade6119]

Was the vassals issue fixed, where they would just inexplicably no longer be apart of your nation?

[Barkeep49]

Was the vassals issue fixed, where they would just inexplicably no longer be apart of your nation?
I haven't noticed it with 2.1 and I've had many a vassal.

[WSUCougar]

Just wanted to share something that I used for my recent CK: Deus Vult game. This free Family Tree Builder (http://www.myheritage.com/download-family-tree-builder) allowed me to track some of the complex familial relationships, as well as notes on where people served as fosterlings, where they were born, how they died, etc. It really added to the experience. Check it out.

[Alan T]

This isn't directly related to the CK expansion, but this was the most recent Crusader Kings thread.

If anyone has been interested in Crusader Kings to see if they might like it, go gamer has it for under $5 now for the original CK (no expansion pack). So you can buy it for the price of a combo meal.

All PC Games - Crusader Kings (http://www.gogamer.com/Crusader-Kings-All-PC-Games_stcVVproductId5590267VVcatId444774VVviewprod.htm)