View Full Version : EHM:FE Screenshots!!
sachmo71
03-02-2003, 10:34 AM
Riz has posted some screen shots of Eastside Hockey Manager: Franchise Edition! YAY!!!
Screen Shots (http://eastside.peliplaneetta.net/EHMFE_shots/ehmfe_shots.html)
Cards4ever
03-02-2003, 10:47 AM
Satch, this link was posted in the CM link the other day, you gotta learn to like soccer, than you wouldn't miss this stuff!
Looks like a great game huh?!
sachmo71
03-02-2003, 11:08 AM
It sure does! I really like the look of the interface, but after hearing about the greatness of Champ Man, I can't say I'm too surprised.
Blackadar
03-02-2003, 11:14 AM
Lookin' good. What's the projected release date?
Anthony
03-02-2003, 11:28 AM
the game looks sick. jim needs to sign with sigames quickly.
Cards4ever
03-02-2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Blackadar
Lookin' good. What's the projected release date?
From what I understand, they are hoping for a late 2003 release.
ice4277
03-02-2003, 01:09 PM
It looks just like the CM3 interface right now, but I think it also said they will be changing it up a little bit, which is probably a good thing. Overall though it should be light-years ahead of anything else in what has always been an overneglected sports category.
Uhh...if i told you guys i spontaneously ejaculated when i saw these screen shots....would you think less of me?
illinifan999
03-02-2003, 02:04 PM
No, cause I almost had the same thing happen to me. ;)
rexalllsc
03-02-2003, 02:06 PM
The hockey version of CM is one step closer to the football version of CM. WOO WOO!
ice4277
03-02-2003, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by rexalllsc
The hockey version of CM is one step closer to the football version of CM. WOO WOO!
I still don't think this would happen for a very long time. SI Games is, after all, an England-based company with a global market; I doubt they would want to market a game that would have very little appeal throughout the rest of the world. More likely, I see the next logical game for them would be basketball, a sport which is gaining a broader worldwide audience.
couriers
03-02-2003, 09:43 PM
Am I the only one not impressed with these screens?
illinifan999
03-02-2003, 09:45 PM
Yes. ;)
couriers
03-02-2003, 10:02 PM
Fair enough. They just seem so Nintendo like. Why do developers insist on using round or oval buttons? The highlight doesn’t even match the shape of the button and it just looks so rough and uncared for. I know it’s early and there is still a lot of time left for development but it seems that they would have been better off taking a more squared approach to the interface, which would have made the screen shots look smoother and less jagged. As it currently stands the shots remind me of a game that has been outdated before it has even been released. I am a big fan of the EHM series so I am really looking forward to the final release. My opinions are just that and not meant to sound like I am bitching or complaining but rather simply stating what comes to my mind when I see the screens.
RawIsDan
03-02-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by couriers
Am I the only one not impressed with these screens?
No, but isn't this game free or am I thinking of another ?
Anrhydeddu
03-02-2003, 10:18 PM
I am actually more interested in this than I am CM4.
BUT....
They definitely need to de-CM this game. Right now, it appears to be a soccer-ized version of hockey. Nation & Clubs??? Competitions??? Transfers??? I would suggest to have them take a look at the various NHL interfaces that are more in tune to the Canadian/American customers as oppose to appeasing the CM-based fans.
couriers
03-02-2003, 10:18 PM
The previous version that had been finalized some time ago is in fact free. The new version that the screens account for is supposed to be released this winter and will have a fee that some say should be about the same as CM.
BTW, the free version looks great and IMHO much better than what I currently see for the new version.
Blade6119
03-02-2003, 10:20 PM
The previous game was, but this one in production is not. You can still get the last one, but if your not impressed with these screens, you wont like the other...
Illini..bbor.....your sick bastards...i feel the same way:)
Swaggs
03-02-2003, 10:23 PM
Man, why do we go several months without a good game and then all of a sudden get swamped. More games that I have time for. :)
couriers
03-02-2003, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Blade6119
if your not impressed with these screens, you wont like the other...
Why?
I really like the original version of the game and the screen shots look so much better or in the least so much cleaner.
Original Screen Shots (http://eastside.peliplaneetta.net/shots.html)
sabotai
03-02-2003, 10:50 PM
Swaggs, don't worry. This one's not coming out for quite awhile. :)
Anthony
03-03-2003, 12:14 AM
it could very well may be that they took NHL rosters and just pasted them on in a CM interface, and didn't bother to de-emphasize things such as transfers and clubs.
or they just may be focusing on the sport itself of hockey and not on the NHL in particular, like how they didn't really focus on the MLS in the CM series. it's just another league.
personally i don't care - this game is going to be ridiculous and will instantly wipe it's ass on anything jim could ever hope to create on his own.
GrantDawg
03-03-2003, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Hell Atlantic
or they just may be focusing on the sport itself of hockey and not on the NHL in particular, like how they didn't really focus on the MLS in the CM series. it's just another league.
I believe that is it. Remember, unless something has changed, they do not have a US distributor for this game yet. They have to be working on the assumption that most of their sales are going to be in Europe. So, this game is not going to be just a NHL simulator.
Ajaxab
03-03-2003, 08:27 AM
This game is definitely not just an NHL sim. If I remember the postings on the EHM section of the board over at sigames.com, they plan to have quite a few European leagues including Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Italy and England besides having the NHL. I don't know if the potential for manager movement will be as good for EHM as in CM just because you don't see a lot of Finnish Elite League coaches move to the NHL. However, the game still looks pretty good and we're a year away from release.
Anrhydeddu
03-03-2003, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Ajaxab
This game is definitely not just an NHL sim. If I remember the postings on the EHM section of the board over at sigames.com, they plan to have quite a few European leagues including Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Italy and England besides having the NHL. I don't know if the potential for manager movement will be as good for EHM as in CM just because you don't see a lot of Finnish Elite League coaches move to the NHL. However, the game still looks pretty good and we're a year away from release.
Oh. I didn't know that. Nevermind then.
Honolulu_Blue
03-03-2003, 10:01 AM
If this game ends up being what I think it will be Championship Manager for hockey, it will be The. Greatest. Game. Ever. Taking two things at the respective heights of their genre: hockey for sports and Championship Manager for computer games and combining them... Wow. Wow.
sachmo71
03-03-2003, 11:03 AM
Yes, definate potential for being the benchmark in sports sims. If I remember correctly, Riz was saying that the game will have more than 50 leagues avaliable. I don't know if you will be able to actively play in that many or not, but the stats will be there. Hopefully, Riz is looking at ways to keep the database size down to a minimum... :eek:
Originally posted by Hell Atlantic
the game looks sick. jim needs to sign with sigames quickly.
From the last chat with Jim, he was open to working with SIGames. I suspect they are not too interested in American Football though. I could see them going with Baseball and Basketball before American football because of international appeal.
Ajaxab
03-03-2003, 11:28 AM
If sachmo is right about the potential of having 50 leagues for this game, we just might be able to begin a coaching career in major junior hockey and move from there to the AHL or IHL and then move to the NHL. I could see that being more interesting than moving from Italy to coaching the Rangers or something like that.
ice4277
03-03-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
If this game ends up being what I think it will be Championship Manager for hockey, it will be The. Greatest. Game. Ever. Taking two things at the respective heights of their genre: hockey for sports and Championship Manager for computer games and combining them... Wow. Wow.
I think it will be good, but I don't want to get my hopes too sky-high yet. It's still VERY early and still the first non-soccer game to use the CM engine. I think the worst thing for it is to get insane publicity, and then it doesn't live up to the sky-high expectations.
I personally don't think those are even true game engine screens. They look directly stolen from the CM4 screens but with little hockey sticks attached to the 2d guys.
I'm gonna love this game, but I really hope that it doesn't end up just being CM on skates.
CM on skates would be fine by me.....remeber we are at CM4...if this is where EHM is gonna start...by the time EHM4 comes out....well...it will just blow my mind.
ice4277
03-03-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by bbor
CM on skates would be fine by me.....remeber we are at CM4...if this is where EHM is gonna start...by the time EHM4 comes out....well...it will just blow my mind.
One thing to keep in mind is that it will be using the CM3 engine, not the CM4. Not that the CM3 is a bad engine at all, I'm sure it will still do an excellent job, but I wonder if it will just 'feel' like a step backwards, especially after playing with the CM4 engine for close to a year. Kind of like how, even though the Unreal Tournament engine is very nice, will we look at it the same way once Doom 3 comes out?
Originally posted by ice4277
One thing to keep in mind is that it will be using the CM3 engine, not the CM4. Not that the CM3 is a bad engine at all, I'm sure it will still do an excellent job, but I wonder if it will just 'feel' like a step backwards, especially after playing with the CM4 engine for close to a year. Kind of like how, even though the Unreal Tournament engine is very nice, will we look at it the same way once Doom 3 comes out?
I think it is the Game(hockey) itself that will make this game exciting to North Americans....
As small an audience as hockey gets i still think the game itself as a hockey game will be more playable for most people as opposed to soccer.
McSweeny
03-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by ice4277
One thing to keep in mind is that it will be using the CM3 engine, not the CM4. Not that the CM3 is a bad engine at all, I'm sure it will still do an excellent job, but I wonder if it will just 'feel' like a step backwards, especially after playing with the CM4 engine for close to a year. Kind of like how, even though the Unreal Tournament engine is very nice, will we look at it the same way once Doom 3 comes out?
it may be a step back regarding the engine, but it will still be a huge step forward for the hockey sim market. It will blow everything out of the water
Marc Vaughan
03-03-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Mota
I personally don't think those are even true game engine screens. They look directly stolen from the CM4 screens but with little hockey sticks attached to the 2d guys.
I'm gonna love this game, but I really hope that it doesn't end up just being CM on skates.
They're true shots, they're just using the CM3 2D view (tarted up a tad from our 'debug' state) which was never made public.
Bear in mind that this view of the match is for snapshots only in EHM:FE and will only show positions when goals are scored for instance - it isn't animated like CM4 because CM3 doesn't support that (but Riz has made what were formally very tacky debug screens look quite presentable imho :) ).
Karim
03-03-2003, 08:39 PM
Am I the only one not impressed with these screens?
No. I don't know what I was expecting but these really early screen shots didn't excite me. But I do realize that the game is in very early development and will come out in the fourth quarter or next year so I'm not worried.
I also think the hype will create unbelievably high expectations so I'm trying to tamper my "vision" of what "CM on ice" might be.
ice4277
03-04-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
They're true shots, they're just using the CM3 2D view (tarted up a tad from our 'debug' state) which was never made public.
Bear in mind that this view of the match is for snapshots only in EHM:FE and will only show positions when goals are scored for instance - it isn't animated like CM4 because CM3 doesn't support that (but Riz has made what were formally very tacky debug screens look quite presentable imho :) ).
So, the game won't have a true animated 2D mode? Is it basically going to be just like the CM3 commentary?
Ksyrup
03-04-2003, 11:25 AM
Personally, I want a hockey simulation that revolves around the NHL, since it is clearly the top world league. I don't mind having other leagues in the background to serve as training grounds for the NHL, but if this game is set up the way CM is, with the MLS just another league (and the playoffs not even properly set up, as I recall from a previous version of CM), then I'm not sure I'm going to bother with it - especially if it uses "soccer language" like transfer and club.
I understand the marketing issues involved here, and if hockey's top league(s) was in Europe like it is in soccer (I assume, since I have no clue), then I wouldn't mind. But it seems that while Europe has its share of leagues and players, hockey at its highest level is being played in North America and should reflect that.
I guess I'd prefer a strict NHL simulation along the lines of what Jim does with football, as opposed to a global hockey sim that doesn't really look like the hockey I watch on TV. If the ultimate goal isn't winning the "SIGames Cup," then I'm not sure this is the game for me.
Although I would look forward to relegating (isn't that the soccer term?) the NY Rangers to the IHL!
Originally posted by Ksyrup
Although I would look forward to relegating (isn't that the soccer term?) the NY Rangers to the IHL!
Are'nt they there now? :D
Maple Leafs
03-04-2003, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Ksyrup
Personally, I want a hockey simulation that revolves around the NHL, since it is clearly the top world league. I don't mind having other leagues in the background to serve as training grounds for the NHL, but if this game is set up the way CM is, with the MLS just another league (and the playoffs not even properly set up, as I recall from a previous version of CM), then I'm not sure I'm going to bother with it - especially if it uses "soccer language" like transfer and club.
Agreed. I'm looking forward to this, but I hope the "NHL sim" aspect is the focus, or at least done very very well. If not, I don't think the realistic Teir-Three Swiss league is going to excite me.
Honolulu_Blue
03-04-2003, 11:39 AM
Ksyrup. I wouldn't worry. This are very, very early screenshots. Have you played the first EHM? It's all about the NHL. They use all the right words "trade", "waivers", etc, etc. I am not worried in the slightest that this wont be the case for EHM:FE.
Sure there will be more depth and the language used in the Finnish or Swedish or Russian leagues may vary, but at the end of the day, I think you should be able to play an NHL simulation (with the other leagues as background) and have it feel and look like the NHL. There will be no transfer windows, there will be a trade deadline. There will be no transfer payments, there will be free agency. There will be play-offs, the Stanley Cup, the whole nine yards. Our man got it right (more or less) in the first EHM. This one will not be a step backwards. It will be everything EHM was, but with much more depth.
At least that's how I've always invisaged it.
Fuck me if i'm wrong...but is the release date 2003 or 2004?
Ksyrup
03-04-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by bbor
Fuck me if i'm wrong...but is the release date 2003 or 2004?
If that's the case, then I need to know what you thought the right answer was before I tell you!
Honolulu_Blue, I hope that's the case. I enjoyed EHM as well, I just hope the CM influence doesn't rub off too much here.
Honolulu_Blue
03-04-2003, 12:25 PM
Lil' Bbor... It's end of 2003... Which we, as computer-playing geeks, all know could easily mean 2004. At least we'll have something to do during the league shutdown.
Ksyrup, I just popped over to the sigames EHM board and they mentioned it there. Some guy asked why it said "match" instead of "game" on one of the screenshots. Riz replied something along the lines of "this is only a early shot, 'match' will be changed to 'game'" and that there will be a graphics overhaul at some point. Likely to make it less like CM graphics-wise.
I agree, though, I would like it to feel like a separate game, but run like CM.
O.k..i feel better now....i thought it was 4th quarter of 2003...but for some reason i started to think 2004...and had a slight panic attack.
At least we will have CM4 to play until EHM:fe comes out.
Marc Vaughan
03-04-2003, 04:31 PM
Hi,
Long time reader, first time poster...well kind of...until I manage to squeeze in an application my own account. Firstly, thank you for the nice feedback and comments on the early screens.
It's also been a pleasure reading some of the earlier comments and discussion about EHM on these boards. Now then, some general notes about EHM:FE development thread...
First of all, as some have noticed, there are some football terms across the development screens. That is only natural, since I haven't had much urge to re-do the existing layout and screens because we are possibly looking at a complete overhaul of the screens at some point. Kind of like de-CMalize it a bit and more. And the terms used on the screens will definately be the standard hockey stuff..it won't be just CM3 on skates ;)
Secondly, CM is a football (soccer) sim with the main audience in Europe and mainly England. EHM was an icehockey sim with main audience in North America and it focused solely on the NHL. So keeping up with the tradition of EHM, EHM:FE will feature NHL as the main league but the plan is to add some other playable leagues around it, just like CM has done. Again, it won't be just CM3 on skates ;)
Off topic, interesting note in this England/Europe/NA thing...While making EHM in Finland, which could be considered a hockey nation before England, I had something like 4-10 NHL
games on terrestrial tv a year. Now that I'm in England, I can enjoy live (or max half an hour delayed) NHL games three times a week on terrestrial tv. Just enough to keep me awake every other night to code more EHM:FE. Who said they don't care about hockey and NHL over here ? :)
Finally, I hope you try to keep your expectations at a reasonable level, as this is the first version of EHM based on a whole new engine. As time goes by, we'll be able to add things
to the core but it is practically impossible to include every single feature imaginable to the very first release. We are served with some highly evolved sims this year, so being a first-born
we're in a tough league. Nevertheless, with the same passion that drove me through the long nights of writing original EHM, I'll be hacking away with EHM:FE on those late trains and through
those nights of NHL games. I hope we can put together something everyone of us can enjoy.
Dictated to Marc Vaughan by Riz :D
sachmo71
03-04-2003, 04:35 PM
Well, wasn't that a surprise!
Riz...get back to work! :D
Ksyrup
03-04-2003, 04:35 PM
Sounds promising and like it's going in the direction I hoped it would. Thanks for the feedback.
Ryan S
03-04-2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
Now that I'm in England, I can enjoy live (or max half an hour delayed) NHL games three times a week on terrestrial tv. Just enough to keep me awake every other night to code more EHM:FE.
Hey Riz, if you want even more hockey, check out NASN (http://www.nasn.com) if you have access to Sky Digital or NTL. It costs between £10 to £12 per month, but you get about 200 hockey games a season for that price.
Marc Vaughan
03-05-2003, 04:21 AM
NASN - Heh, this is one of the reasons that Riz has been geting less than 4 hours sleep a night at the moment, he tends to stay up until 4am to watch the matches live :D
Did Riz move to England just to work with SIG?
Marc Vaughan
03-05-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by bbor
Did Riz move to England just to work with SIG?
Yeah :D
Before he moved though he knew us pretty well thought, I've known Riz for around two years (mainly online initially obviously).
Before he agreed to join us and move over here I'd visited him several times in Finland and he'd also travelled over to England to visit SI a couple of times (and get accustomed to our bizarre english sense of humour ;) ).
couriers
03-05-2003, 10:14 AM
Yes.
Thanks for the update Marc & Riz. It is very nice to hear some reassuring words about the interface graphics as well as the games foundation. Despite my reservations from first impressions on the screen shots I still believe that this will be the sim to get this year. Good luck and have fun with the continued development.
Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
english sense of humour ;) ).
Is this not an oxymoron? :D
Honolulu_Blue
03-05-2003, 11:36 AM
Ahh. the English. Good times. Ever since moving to Brussels I pretty much only hang out with the English (mainly a group of "scousers" and a "Manc") and a few Irish ("paddies"). Good times all around. I now ask "What's the craic?" And am often "out on the piss" or enjoy a "real good piss-up" or have a "night on the lash." Instead of peeing I now "take a slash." I am a "lad" instead of a "guy." I have a "bird" instead of a girlfriend. Because of said bird, I don't "pull birds" or "fire into them." I have watched every episode of "The Office" twice. And I am an Everton fan. The legendary blues. The Toffey Men. Wayne Rooney.
sachmo71
03-05-2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
(and get accustomed to our bizarre english sense of humour ;) ).
That reminds me of the Simpson's episode where they have the author of Bridget Jones Diary in Springfield, and when hearing that no one had read her book, she says something like, "That's ok, American's usually don't understand English humor. It's so sophisticated."
At this point, she proceeds to break into a Benny Hill skit, with the music playing in the background. Funny stuff!
EDIT: Maybe a quote would help my post make some sense? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by bbor
Did Riz move to England just to work with SIG?
That and better NHL coverage on terrestrial tv :)
Thanks for the great comments on the development screens. I've been reading these boards for ages and I have to appreciate the text-sim knowledge here. A good source to hear the latest rumours and news across the text-sim genre and best of all, loads of user opinions on all the text-sims :)
Riz...Glad to see you here....
So if you know that this is a good forum to get feedback on a game...either in production or released...then you also know that this same forum will probably be your biggest critic once the game is released.
Take it all with a grain of salt...i don't think any of us are here to flame anyone...but you also won't find many Fanboys here. :)
BTW....Since you are obviously a hockey fan...you MUST be a LEAF fan right? :)
Originally posted by bbor
Riz...Glad to see you here....
So if you know that this is a good forum to get feedback on a game...either in production or released...then you also know that this same forum will probably be your biggest critic once the game is released.
Take it all with a grain of salt...i don't think any of us are here to flame anyone...but you also won't find many Fanboys here. :)
BTW....Since you are obviously a hockey fan...you MUST be a LEAF fan right? :)
Yeah, I know that in here a game can also take quite a beating. But it's all good. Any feedback is good feedback. Be it praises or criticism...
BTW...I'm a Rangers fan. I gue$$ I $hould $pell it with a $ ? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by riz
BTW...I'm a Rangers fan. I gue$$ I $hould $pell it with a $ ? :rolleyes:
Oh-Oh........I can see this game costing about $100 American....So Riz can help the Rangers pay some salary :D
Honolulu_Blue
03-06-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by bbor
Oh-Oh........I can see this game costing about $100 American....So Riz can help the Rangers pay some salary :D
That and all of the Rangers' highly regarded prospects will be out of this world with potential. Oh, right. They don't have any. Well, Jamie Lundmark. He's the only one left...
riz, now that this thread has gotten your attention, may I ask how the plan is for the "immersion factor" of the world of hockey in EHM:FE?
As an example, CM3 do a very good job in including role-playing aspects to the dealings with players, management and the media. At times you almost wish you had a degree in psychology to handle all the nutcases and their egos! This makes you feel that you are dealing more with people than with numbers, and has been mentioned several times as one of the most important aspects of a successful sim outside of realistic results and statistics.
As EHM:FE will be based on CM3, I hope I'm right in assuming there is a good chance this will be included... take the Rangers for example, if, in EHM:FE, Messier's production would decrease because he might be envious of the attention Kovalev gets, and publicy complain about it in the media, which would affect other team members... creating a no-win situation... that's what I'm hoping EHM:FE will be capable of doing! :)
Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
They don't have any. Well, Jamie Lundmark. He's the only one left...
I think that the Rangers still consider Messier a prospect :D
I'm still drooling over the possibilities that CM engine allows for me and I've had the code for over a year now. It's just overwhelming. The possibilities are there, it's just a matter of having enough time to cram in different things. So for the first version it may well be that we don't have the time to put in all the little things, but as time goes by, we'll probably be able to put in all kinds of little things like that Mess thing. On a personal level, I want to make sure that the players and staff in EHM:FE won't be just numbers and need to be handled well. In EHM you could pretty much play around with your players and treat them as poorly as you liked. I don't want it to be like that in EHM:FE.
As for Rangers, their prospects and how the team is managed....why do you think I started writing EHM in the first place ? :p
sachmo71
03-06-2003, 01:42 PM
Ohhh, guys will get play poorly if their buddies are traded? Locker room cancers will be an issue? Sweet!
Originally posted by riz
In EHM you could pretty much play around with your players and treat them as poorly as you liked. I don't want it to be like that in EHM:FE.
:Dhttp://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
rexalllsc
03-06-2003, 02:19 PM
This game = goodtimes
Marc Vaughan
03-06-2003, 07:06 PM
I would like to take this moment to resign as Riz's secretary now that he has finally managed to register an account on this board.
I thank him for being a kind boss and the glowing reference he has promised me ;)
Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
I would like to take this moment to resign as Riz's secretary now that he has finally managed to register an account on this board.
I thank him for being a kind boss and the glowing reference he has promised me ;)
Riz....I dunno what Marc looks like.....but i'm pretty sure you can find a better looking secretary that him :D
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