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[korme]

Come on, this deserves it's own thread!

What a perfect start to the day!

[st.cronin]

Ann Arbor is such a slut.

[Schmidty]

This should have been my thread, but I didn't feel like getting a lecture on class by the whiney wolverine brigade.

So thanks, Shorty. :)

[korme]

In all seriousness, what an inexcusable loss and Lloyd Carr certainly has lost his job by the end of this year.

Heads will roll!

[Easy Mac]

This should have been my thread, but I didn't feel like getting a lecture on class by the whiney wolverine brigade.

So thanks, Shorty. :)

ASU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAB

[Schmidty]

I'm happy with that.

[Schmidty]

12 guests in GD.

I wonder how many of those are U-M fans that are too humiliated to show themselves? :D

[Kodos]

This plus Notre Dame looking like ass has really made for a great start to the college football season. :)

[Schmidty]

I want ND and OSU to win. That would just make U-M even more depressed.

[korme]

OSU already did it's job. I am down to see ND lose as well.

[Kodos]

Well, you already have the OSU victory, so spot us ND losing -- mmmkay?

[Joe]

In all seriousness, what an inexcusable loss and Lloyd Carr certainly has lost his job by the end of this year.

Heads will roll!

No he won't

[Schmidty]

Well, you already have the OSU victory, so spot us ND losing -- mmmkay?

(Well, I hate to admit this, but I usually root for ND, since I was born about a couple of hours from South Bend.)

[JeffNights]

I dont get it, whats with all this? Was it MY fault they lost or something? LOL. I'm gonna go cut the grass.

[Schmidty]

I dont get it, whats with all this? Was it MY fault they lost or something? LOL. I'm gonna go cut the grass.

Not your fault, but it's fun to hammer home to your sickeningly conceited fanbase that your team got beat by a 1-AA TEAM AT HOME.

:D

[JeffNights]

Not your fault, but it's fun to hammer home to your sickeningly conceited fanbase that your team got beat by a 1-AA TEAM AT HOME.

:D

Not my team, i dont get any ticket proceeds or concession profits. Take a breath.

[vtbub]

This has done wonders for my hangover. :(

[Blade6119]

just yesterday i told all my friends that my pick for overrated team this year was Michigan...granted, i didnt expect them to lose until later in the year, but this will do :)

Notre Dame is losing, Mizzou is winning, the world is as it should be

[Jim G.]

I think I picked the wrong day to attend my first college football game in 17 years.

Congrats to the Mountaineers. That wasn't even a lucky win, they came in here with a lot of heart, and made the Wolverines look bad.

[wade moore]

I think I picked the wrong day to attend my first college football game in 17 years.

Congrats to the Mountaineers. That wasn't even a lucky win, they came in here with a lot of heart, and made the Wolverines look bad.
Ouch, you were there?

I know it's no consolation to you, but as you saw on the field Appy St. really is a very good football program as i've been saying all over this board. ;)

[molson]

There's only one time I can remember anyone personally insulting me on this board (I'm not very controversial), and it was a Michigan fan, and it was because I had the gall to argue that they shouldn't be in the national championship game last year.

Not that that guy is necessarily representative the fanbase, but I tend to agree with Schmidty's assessment above.

[DeToxRox]

It'll make the Spartys look bad when a team who lost to a 1-AA team steamrolls them at home ;)

[Senator]

Promotion and relegation to college football!!

[JeeberD]

I think I picked the wrong day to attend my first college football game in 17 years.

Man...that just reminded me that my brother-in-law is going to the UTEP game tonight. This is the first UTEP game he's attended since that infamous LT game back in '98 or '99. He quit going after that game because they hadn't won a game he had been at in years. Hopefully that personal trend of his doesn't continue tonight.

[Schmidty]

I think I picked the wrong day to attend my first college football game in 17 years.

Congrats to the Mountaineers. That wasn't even a lucky win, they came in here with a lot of heart, and made the Wolverines look bad.

Man, I feel kind of bad now. Sorry you had to witness that live. :(

Please ignore the signature in this post.

[Noop]

I wonder how Lloyd Carr and that coaching staff can keep their job after this game. This has to be one of the biggest if not the biggest upset in the last 20 years of major college football. This game will be remembered for along time after today and will be apart of sports trivia.

I expect Michigan to bounce back and try to make something of this season.

[gstelmack]

Any talk about the 2-point conversion late in the 3rd, which also led to the failed 2-point conversion in the 4th, that led to the 2-point loss? Just kick the freakin' XP in the 3rd, there's plenty of time...

[gstelmack]

This has to be one of the biggest if not the biggest upset in the last 20 years of major college football.

According to ESPN, it's the first time a I-AA team has beaten a ranked opponent ever.

[cuervo72]

Yay for ASU - my wife's cousin went there and both sides of her family spent summers in nearby Blowing Rock. Nice little school (lot of new construction last time we were there though), happy for them.

[Logan]

Any talk about the 2-point conversion late in the 3rd, which also led to the failed 2-point conversion in the 4th, that led to the 2-point loss? Just kick the freakin' XP in the 3rd, there's plenty of time...

From the week 1 thread:

I don't think coaches have figured out the proper formula regarding when to go for 2. (The current formula always assumes that the current score will be the last score of the game)

Well, most of them have, and rule #1 is "Don't go for 2 in the 3rd quarter."

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This loss was inexcusable, but Appalachian State deserved the win, Michigan earned this loss. The tackling was horrible, the coverage nonexistant... Just a game that you have to look at and learn everything you can from to wipe the grin that other teams on the schedule have on their faces tonight.

Learn from this mistake. Make everyone else pay.

[TroyF]

Any talk about the 2-point conversion late in the 3rd, which also led to the failed 2-point conversion in the 4th, that led to the 2-point loss? Just kick the freakin' XP in the 3rd, there's plenty of time...


On that point, you just never know. CU went for two at the end of the third quarter, after completing an 86 yard drive. They converted it. Nobody scored in the fourth til CU kicked the FG to tie the game.

Sometimes you just have to go with your gut on the timing of when to go. I fault Carr for a lot of things that happened today, but this isn't one of them.

[Peregrine]

I was so happy to see this, I always like to see ASU do well, especially since their QB Armanti Edwards is from my hometown.

[Passacaglia]

Ugh, this is disgusting. I have this feeling of helplessness, like something was stolen from me. I think Monday should be reserved for all alumni to either head down to Ann Arbor, or at least put in a phone call, and make the team listen to how pissed off everyone is. Anyway, as I say 9 out of every 10 years, when Michigan fails to get out of their non-conference schedule undefeated, all I care about is winning the Big Ten anyway.

[Cringer]

Heard about this late last night, what a great upset. Now, onto something important. There is a town called Blowing Rock? Thats obscene. :)

[dime]

I wonder how many times you'd have to play BBCF before appalachian st would ever beat michigan...I'm thinking a few trillion?

[cartman]

I wonder how many times you'd have to play BBCF before appalachian st would ever beat michigan...I'm thinking a few trillion?

:eek:

AI is broken in 2007 season.

[dime]

lloyd carr has promised the booster club that a patch will be coming out shortly...but henne, hart and long will NOT be able to reload a save from prior to the June draft.

[Radii]

Heard about this late last night, what a great upset. Now, onto something important. There is a town called Blowing Rock? Thats obscene. :)

Blowing Rock/Boone area is a really nice place to visit for a vacation if you like the mountains :)

[SnDvls]

Ohio State fans on youtube watching the ending of the App. State/ Michigan game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jePmKPEM0

Penn State fans on youtube watching the ending of the App. State/ Michigan game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2U15C5Dhdc

App. State fans parading around with their goal posts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KakBd24JBE

I can understand the App. State fans, but don't PSU & OSU fans know that this isn't good for their conference too.

[korme]

Ohio State fans on youtube watching the ending of the App. State/ Michigan game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jePmKPEM0

Penn State fans on youtube watching the ending of the App. State/ Michigan game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2U15C5Dhdc

App. State fans parading around with their goal posts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KakBd24JBE

I can understand the App. State fans, but don't PSU & OSU fans know that this isn't good for their conference too.

As an OSU fan I'd theoretically rather see Michigan go 0-12 than see them win every game but against OSU... guess I'm selfish that way.

[SnDvls]

As an OSU fan I'd theoretically rather see Michigan go 0-12 than see them win every game but against OSU... guess I'm selfish that way.

I guess I can understand that too as I'd always like to see uofa go 0-12 every year, but if they lose next week to Northern Arizona, or any "former D-IAA" school it just makes the whole conference look bad. I wouldn't be suprised if Michigan comes out and smacks Oregon around next week and see the "Pac-10 sucks because Michigan beat Oregon and App. State beat Michigan" talk start...but I'd also not be suprised if Oregon gives them another loss too. :)

[korme]

I don't think of those arguments (x sucks bc they lost to Mich because they lost to App) will hold any water because everyone knows Michigan is still a legitimate team.

[Logan]

As a Big East guy, I have to root for our schools to beat other BCS conferences, because any loss results in the fucking morons belting out the "this is why the BE sucks" speech. I guess the Big 10 doesn't have to deal with that, even though it's an extremely top heavy conference, which the rest of the country hasn't seemed to realize yet.

[Young Drachma]

I think App State needs to win the rest of their games this year so they can legitimize this win. I mean, two-time defending Natl Champs, I figure they know how to win and all..but they have to basically dominate 1-AA again this season, because all of those 1-AA schools (I won't call them FCS) will be gunning to beat the team that beat Michigan.

[Karlifornia]

I think App State needs to win the rest of their games this year so they can legitimize this win. I mean, two-time defending Natl Champs, I figure they know how to win and all..but they have to basically dominate 1-AA again this season, because all of those 1-AA schools (I won't call them FCS) will be gunning to beat the team that beat Michigan.

I don't get what you mean when you write "legitimizing this win". Going into Ann Arbor and beating Michigan is a self-legitimizing thing, don't you agree? Even during Michigan's "off years" they're still pretty tough to take down at home, I'd imagine.

[Schmidty]

Even during Michigan's "off years" they're still pretty tough to take down at home, I'd imagine.

Actually, I've heard many U-M fans admit (even my dad) that even though Michigan Stadium is big, the fans are quiet. They are basically spoiled and don't make a whole lot of noise relative to the amount of fans in attendance, because they expect their team to win.

Not only that, but their fan base is filled with stuffed-shirt chumps and band-wagon riding losers that cheer politely when they win, and half-heartedly boo win they lose.

I hate them so much. Goodness, I hate them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't get what you mean when you write "legitimizing this win". Going into Ann Arbor and beating Michigan is a self-legitimizing thing, don't you agree?

Not really.

If somehow (barring a rash of injuries or something like that) Appy ends up finishing 7-4 then I think this pretty much gets written off as a complete fluke. I don't believe they have to win out or anything, but they have to at least get to the end of the season considered a top team in I-AA for this year for them to retain any "hey, they're pretty good" respect from most people.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

You know, I just want to clarify that this isn't just because I'm an MSU fan. It's because U-M fans are spoiled and don't appreciate it. They expect to be the darlings, the "victors". When they aren't, they fake-casually detach themselves. A perfect example of this is U-M basketball. During good times, sellouts and love. Since the early '90s, yawns and apathy. The fans don't even seem to care.

Yeah, yeah, I know that every team's fans do that stuff to some degree, but I guarantee that despite the fact that Spartan fans, or even Lions fans, have gone through football hell for a long time, they still stick with their team much more than the vast, vast majority of Wolverine fans.

I hate them so much. It's unhealthy.

[Karlifornia]

Not really.

If somehow (barring a rash of injuries or something like that) Appy ends up finishing 7-4 then I think this pretty much gets written off as a complete fluke. I don't believe they have to win out or anything, but they have to at least get to the end of the season considered a top team in I-AA for this year for them to retain any "hey, they're pretty good" respect from most people.

I suppose that makes sense to me.

[Jim G.]

Dola.

You know, I just want to clarify that this isn't just because I'm an MSU fan. It's because U-M fans are spoiled and don't appreciate it. They expect to be the darlings, the "victors". When they aren't, they fake-casually detach themselves. A perfect example of this is U-M basketball. During good times, sellouts and love. Since the early '90s, yawns and apathy. The fans don't even seem to care.

Yeah, yeah, I know that every team's fans do that stuff to some degree, but I guarantee that despite the fact that Spartan fans, or even Lions fans, have gone through football hell for a long time, they still stick with their team much more than the vast, vast majority of Wolverine fans.

I hate them so much. It's unhealthy.

I've been hearing this a lot from Michigan State fans for maybe 30 years now. Before the game, endless complaints about how "arrogant" we are, etc. A lot of woofing from the guys in green, and then the game gets played and we move on with our preparations for Ohio State.

The Big House is not a quiet stadium - it wasn't yesterday. We did manage to throw them for three or four procedure penalties, though the way the defense played it didn't really matter.

People are angry here. There's no disassociation, just a lot of worry that maybe the game has passed Lloyd Carr by and wondering if something should be done about it. You could see it in people as they left the stadium. We even saw some tears. People cared. There were few empty seats at the end even though everyone was expecting a 30-40 point romp going in.

Maybe the anger from Spartan fans is from the fact that we just don't have room for a Michigan State rivalry. We're 29-8 against the Spartans from 1970 onward. From the time I was a little kid, it was Woody Hayes and the Buckeyes.

I can imagine it would be upsetting to have your primary rival just not give a crap. Sure, it's fun to beat MSU, but they didn't even join the Big Ten until the 1950s. Ohio State is our rivalry, maybe the biggest in American sports. It's impossible to maintain that intensity and pin all that much on a mid-season game with a team you usually beat.

Yeah, we expect to win. We've gone 40 years since we last saw a losing season in Ann Arbor. Maybe there is some arrogance or swagger. But we are not bandwagon fans. At least I don't think we are. I'm not, for certain.

As for the basketball team? I don't know. Just a different animal, and people got fed up when all the cheating was revealed. Bill Frieder left badly. Steve Fischer was too good to be true, and it turned out he let the boosters pay the kids. There needs to be some spark to revitalize interest in the team.

[wade moore]

Schmidty's reaction definitely matches that of what I've often seen from "one-sided rivalries".

[Ben E Lou]

Blowing Rock/Boone area is a really nice place to visit for a vacation if you like the mountains :)
Yup. My in-laws have a place just outside of Blowing Rock. I've spent a good number of weekends there. They're here this weekend, just trying to imagine what it's like up there right now.

[TroyF]

Schmidty's reaction definitely matches that of what I've often seen from "one-sided rivalries".

I was going to say the same thing. I have the pleasure of being on both sides of this. At Oklahoma State we hated OU with a passion. "they get more press. when we beat them, it's still about them. nobody gives us respect. their fans are classless and fair weather." All of the same things. Of course, we've beat them 17 times in over 90 meetings, what the hell do we expect? There really isn't anything different about their fans than anyone else. When you beat the hell out of someone repeatedly for decades, you do expect to beat them. When you win 9 to 10 games a year for decades, you expect to win 9 or 10 games a year.

On the other side I'm a CU fan and hear the same things from the CSU crowd. CU is 15-5 against CSU in my lifetime. Three of the five times CU lost, they finished with 4 or fewer wins. (in other words, CU sucked during those seasons) Is is surprising that I expect CU to win that game every year? Egotistical? Rude? It's simple reality. When CU is good, they usually beat CSU. (and no, I don't think we are good this year, but we are going to be a TON better offensively)

So I don't begrudge Schmidty. He's saying what everyone in that situation says. In some ways it sucks to be in that situation. In others, it's fun. The OU down years were a thrill for me. And it makes the wins all the more sweeter when you actually do thump your rival.

[cuervo72]

I guess I can understand that too as I'd always like to see uofa go 0-12 every year, but if they lose next week to Northern Arizona

Heh. I was relaying the details of the upset to my wife, and she said "oh, so this is like if NAU beat Arizona?" :)

(she went to NAU)

[SnDvls]

Heh. I was relaying the details of the upset to my wife, and she said "oh, so this is like if NAU beat Arizona?" :)

(she went to NAU)

Go Jacks!!! :D

[albionmoonlight]

just a lot of worry that maybe the game has passed Lloyd Carr by and wondering if something should be done about it.

You guys were a win away from the National Championship game last season.

Did the game somehow pass Lloyd Carr by in, like, March or something?

[Jim G.]

You guys were a win away from the National Championship game last season.

Did the game somehow pass Lloyd Carr by in, like, March or something?

I think the season-ending losses to Ohio State and USC hurt him badly.

Michigan had the aura last year. The dominating run defense, no close games. It was like Schembechler at the height of his game. People felt the team was invincible.

- And then Ohio State just shredded the defense. But the team came back with some heart and made a game of it.

- And then the whole poll thing from the end of last season, when Michigan dropped below USC and then Florida without even playing.

- And then going to a Rose Bowl no one wanted to play in, and making a very poor showing.

I think Carr just deflated. He apparently spent considerable time helping Russell Crowe with some Australian football project during the off-season. Basically, he acted like a football coach looking forward to retirement.

So I think the worry is justified. Carr had to know Appalachian State's style of offense - the West-Coast routes, the highly mobile quarterback, the spread formations. Spreads have caused Michigan considerable trouble over the years.

For whatever reason, Carr didn't do his homework for this game, and the Mountaineers came in and showed they could play.

Can Carr get his groove back? No idea. That's why we're worried here. The team certainly has the talent to beat Oregon at home handily. But what will happen?

[Easy Mac]

Actually, it was the middle of november last year

[Swaggs]

Doesn't Lloyd Carr have more National Titles that Bo Schembechler?

[vtbub]

Doesn't Lloyd Carr have more National Titles that Bo Schembechler?

We'll trade with WVU, if u'd like.

[JeffNights]

Ya know Schmidty, as much as you have blasted Michigan fans on this thread and many others threads since Saturday, you have really shown that all the negative stereotypes i've ever heard about Spartan fans to be true.
I hope you remember all your smack-talking when November 3rd rolls around.

[Swaggs]

We'll trade with WVU, if u'd like.

I will pass. :)

Seriously, though... Carr has the only title at Michigan in almost 60-years, the best record at Michigan ever (12-0 in '97), has been clean off the field (unlike his predecessor), has kept the team ranked almost continuously since taking over the job, has had individual players win almost every award available at the college level, and has sent a ton of guys to the NFL (many as first rounders).

Losing to ASU is pitiful, but I think Carr's biggest two problems are his age and, to a much greater extent, unattainable expectations.

[Crapshoot]

Schmidty's reaction definitely matches that of what I've often seen from "one-sided rivalries".

"". One of my best college buddies roots for Michigan, and while I have no vested interest, I will definitely be rooting against MSU.

[Jim G.]

Doesn't Lloyd Carr have more National Titles that Bo Schembechler?

Carr: 12+ seasons, 113-37-0 (.753) overall, 75-21-0 (.781) Big Ten, 69-10-0 (.873) at home, 5-7-0 (.417) in bowls, five shared or outright conference titles, one national championship.

Best season: 1997 (12-0-0). Worst season: 2005 (7-5-0).

Undefeated in Big Ten (once). Worst Big Ten season (5-3-0, three times). More than one Big Ten loss (seven times in 12 seasons). Rose Bowl Appearances: 4 (1-3).

Schembechler: 21 seasons, 194-48-5 (.796) overall, 143-24-3 (.850) Big Ten, 115-16-3 (.869) at home, 5-12-0 (.294) in bowls, 13 shared or outright conference titles, no national championships.

Best season: 1973 (10-0-1) - believe it or not, they did not go to a bowl game that year. Worst season: 1984 (6-6-0).

Undefeated in Big Ten (five times). Worst Big Ten season (5-4, once). More than one Big Ten loss (only four times in 21 seasons). Rose Bowl Appearances: 10 (2-8).


Carr has done well, but he's no Schembechler. However, each played for the national title in the Rose Bowl once, and Carr won that game, while Schembechler did not.

In those days, things were different. Michigan was 50-4-1 from 1970-1974, and only played in one bowl game.

[JPhillips]

You also can't discount the record against OSU. Carr's 1-5 record over the last six years neutralizes a lot of other wins. It's the same reason Cooper was fired at OSU. If he had the same totl number of losses, but half the numer against Michigan he might still be the coach.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I find it a bit eerie that with Bo dead, Michigan is winless.

[Mantle2600]

I find it a bit eerie that with Bo dead, Michigan is winless.

I find it marvelous.

[Swaggs]

Carr: 12+ seasons, 113-37-0 (.753) overall, 75-21-0 (.781) Big Ten, 69-10-0 (.873) at home, 5-7-0 (.417) in bowls, five shared or outright conference titles, one national championship.

Best season: 1997 (12-0-0). Worst season: 2005 (7-5-0).

Undefeated in Big Ten (once). Worst Big Ten season (5-3-0, three times). More than one Big Ten loss (seven times in 12 seasons). Rose Bowl Appearances: 4 (1-3).

Schembechler: 21 seasons, 194-48-5 (.796) overall, 143-24-3 (.850) Big Ten, 115-16-3 (.869) at home, 5-12-0 (.294) in bowls, 13 shared or outright conference titles, no national championships.

Best season: 1973 (10-0-1) - believe it or not, they did not go to a bowl game that year. Worst season: 1984 (6-6-0).

Undefeated in Big Ten (five times). Worst Big Ten season (5-4, once). More than one Big Ten loss (only four times in 21 seasons). Rose Bowl Appearances: 10 (2-8).


Carr has done well, but he's no Schembechler. However, each played for the national title in the Rose Bowl once, and Carr won that game, while Schembechler did not.

In those days, things were different. Michigan was 50-4-1 from 1970-1974, and only played in one bowl game.

I can definitely appreciate the rival (Ohio State) factor and that Schembechler is a legend in Ann Arbor, but if you show me those two coaches' resumes, I take the guy with the title in 12 years over the guy without one in 20+ years.

The two coaches have very similar records, but Schembechler coached in a time where the NCAA had no scholarship limits or 105/95 limits, compared to 85 the entire time Carr coached. A school like Michigan, with its near unlimited resources was really able to take advantage of that during the Schembechler era, both by taking more very good players AND playing against less competitive teams/balanced competition.

[Buccaneer]

Michigan is still ranked in the top 5 or hasn't the new polls come out?

[Logan]

Tomorrow.

[Passacaglia]

I think the deal with Bo is that he took a Michigan team that was a lot different from the program most of us have seen. When I think about Michigan, I think of a school that's pretty much always been good, with a great history. But looking back, Michigan has just 1 conference championship from 1951 through 1968 (1964). That's not anywhere near the performance you expect from Michigan in the Big Ten. Bo changed that, beating Ohio State in 1969, and winning the Big Ten. He really save the school from mediocrity. While he would have been better if he could have delivered a national championship or two, he started his career in a much different position than Carr (who did inherit a team on the fall, but not as big of a fall as Bo).

By the way, Schmidty, I don't know if your diatribe is referring to Michigan "fans" as a separate thing from alumni, but most alumni I know live and breathe Michigan football. Your post reminds me more of Spartan alumni, who pretty much go into the season with no expectations, or go so far as dissing the team, then are pleasantly surprised when the team strings a few wins together.

[Butter]

I can understand the App. State fans, but don't PSU & OSU fans know that this isn't good for their conference too.

Late on this one... but what difference does that make? This was an all time classic college football game, and maybe the greatest upset in college football history. Who cares about the implications to the conference? And frankly, considering all of the bowl tie-ins, it really doesn't make a lick of difference to the Big Ten... the champion is still going to the BCS and an undefeated champion is going to at least be in the national title conversation. Now, if OSU had lost to Youngstown State as well, or every other team lost its first OOC game, then we'd have something to talk about. As it is, this is a one time deal.

[st.cronin]

I will pass. :)

Seriously, though... Carr has the only title at Michigan in almost 60-years, the best record at Michigan ever (12-0 in '97), has been clean off the field (unlike his predecessor), has kept the team ranked almost continuously since taking over the job, has had individual players win almost every award available at the college level, and has sent a ton of guys to the NFL (many as first rounders).

Losing to ASU is pitiful, but I think Carr's biggest two problems are his age and, to a much greater extent, unattainable expectations.

+1, I think he's, on balance, a very good coach who will be hard to replace if he retires or gets fired.

[Ben E Lou]

Michigan takes the biggest fall in the polls ever. Out of the Top 25.

[korme]

Snipet from ESPN Page 2, which ranked Michigan's top 10 most brutal defeats (App. St. being #1):

2. Ohio State 50, Michigan 14 (Nov. 23, 1968): Buckeyes coach Woody Hayes said he went for a two-point conversion on the final touchdown "because I couldn't go for three."

Gotta love Woodrow.

[molson]

Snipet from ESPN Page 2, which ranked Michigan's top 10 most brutal defeats (App. St. being #1):

2. Ohio State 50, Michigan 14 (Nov. 23, 1968): Buckeyes coach Woody Hayes said he went for a two-point conversion on the final touchdown "because I couldn't go for three."

Gotta love Woodrow.

I love that quote. Especially since today, that probably would be grounds for a firing, if not criminal charges. Crybabies.

[Karlifornia]

I love that quote. Especially since today, that probably would be grounds for a firing, if not criminal charges. Crybabies.

+1. I always hated people whining about running up the score. Isn't trying to score the most points you can the purpose of the game, or is this the special olympics where nothing matters as long as nobody's feelings get hurt?

[hoopsguy]

For all the people hammering Schmidty, MSU is not the only group of fans that loathe Michigan.

I just got back from a really enjoyable five day vacation with my wife and two other couples. The highlight? Seeing the 34-32 score - in the "Big House", no less. I'll be rooting for Oregon to push them to 0-2 next week without even a second thought as to what that will mean for the "Big Ten" power rankings. Those are the kind of secondary considerations that come into play when you have neutral feelings about a school, but they don't register for the program you really loathe.

Schmidty's comments about the arrogance of Michigan fans resonate perfectly with my perception of the UM fanbase. The football/basketball distinction is particularly spot-on.