Browser Strategy Game: Travian

[Vince]

Someone pointed me to this game, and I immediately thought of FOFC. Here it is for you all to peruse for a moment or two -- it's really slow paced, but looks like there's tons of room for strategy in it.

Basically, you are a Roman, Gaul or Teuton village. You can build up production of your main resources (Clay, Wood, Iron Ore and Crops), then use the resources to build buildings and such that will allow production of military units, etc. Take a look for yourself -- I'm on Server 5, I believe...Chelleville is my town. Still learning as I go, though.

Travian (www.travian.com).

[Neon_Chaos]

Man.

This board is giving me reasons to eat up my free time. Jeez.

[bbor]

Vince,ive been playin this for awhile.I just started over again on the 3x server

[daedalus]

Vince,ive been playin this for awhile.I just started over again on the 3x serverbecause . . . you are WUSS?!? :D

[daedalus]

i was tinkering with tribal wars with some of the people from my movoda guild for awhile. interesting while it lasted but, as i do not like to attack people (in spite of being santiago in SMAC), it was never going to be a long lasting game for me.

now, if we had a whole contingent of FOFC migrating to one of these games to make a tribe . . . i can see it being fun. and horrific. :D

[Warhammer]

I'm in, guess I'll try the server Vince is on.

[Neon_Chaos]

so, can we get a collective effort for FOFC to go over to one server? :)

[Warhammer]

Sounds good to me, I'll be using WarhammerII as my nick over there.

[Neon_Chaos]

Server 5 it is.

nick is NeonChaos

[lordscarlet]

Server 5 it is.

nick is NeonChaos

Should we choose a specific tribe or starting position?

[Neon_Chaos]

Sever 5. Roman Tribe. Northwest.

[Yellow5]

signed up, nick is Yellow5

Roman, Northwest.

Lots of good info in the Roman Guide (http://forum.travian.com/showthread.php?t=67436) on the forums.

[Alan T]

In on server 5 roman northwest also.

[BrianD]

I'm also on server 5 Gaul northwest.

[lordscarlet]

I'm in as lordscarlet

[BrianD]

This game looks like it could be quite time consuming.

[Neon_Chaos]

It looks like it quite is. :)

[lordscarlet]

I hate you all for pasting and encouraging this link.

[lordscarlet]

Should we setup an alliance?

[Alan T]

Should we setup an alliance?

I'm not sure exactly how to do that! So far I've just been working on building up my production :)

[Warhammer]

When I get to embassy level 3, I am starting the FOFC alliance.

[Neon_Chaos]

Sweet. :)

[lordscarlet]

I'm not sure exactly how to do that! So far I've just been working on building up my production :)

You need a Level 1 Embassy to join an alliance, and a Level 3 Embassy to create one.

[JHandley]

i was tinkering with tribal wars with some of the people from my movoda guild for awhile. interesting while it lasted but, as i do not like to attack people (in spite of being santiago in SMAC), it was never going to be a long lasting game for me.

now, if we had a whole contingent of FOFC migrating to one of these games to make a tribe . . . i can see it being fun. and horrific. :D

Which guild in Movoda?

[WVUFAN]

This game is right up my alley.

Great find!

[FrogMan]

in as FrogMan, Gauls in Northwest too. Will probably only leisurely work on it though...

City's exact coordinate are (-68, 134) btw...

FM

[Brillig]

In. (-146, 42), right next to BrianD

[BrianD]

In. (-146, 42), right next to BrianD

Ah, fresh meat...I mean...an alliance partner. :)

[Brillig]

Don't try any funny stuff. Ze catz are watching j00.

[Brillig]

If you click on the "Plus" link, you see that you have a small store of Gold to buy various bonuses.

A fast start usually being pretty important, I blew half of my stash on the four production bonuses already.

[Brillig]

Hmm. "Merchants from my homeland arrived" bringing 200-300 of each resource. Random event?

[lordscarlet]

Hmm. "Merchants from my homeland arrived" bringing 200-300 of each resource. Random event?

I got the same. I assume all n00bs get it.

[Vince]

I believe you get it once you've upgraded one of each resource.

I'm at -101, -80. Foolishly built up to the capacity to make troops at first (Main Building Level 3, Rally Point Level 1), and added a few buildings as well (Granary, Cranny)...should have focused on production I think. I'm sitting at 17/20/14/12 with a cropland increase on the way -- I don't need so much crop at the moment, but I want to make sure I don't get painted into a corner without enough resources to increase my cropland so I can continue to build. I think once I get everything around level 2, I'll start churning out soldiers.

[Vince]

If you click on the "Plus" link, you see that you have a small store of Gold to buy various bonuses.

A fast start usually being pretty important, I blew half of my stash on the four production bonuses already.

Nice find. I picked up the free Plus account and the four production bonuses...now my stash is gone :(

[Vince]

Ok, here's my status -- I'll update as cool things happen. With the 25% increase in production, I look a lot more hoss than I did five minutes ago :)

Chelleville
Location: -101, -80
Population: 30
Production (Lumber, Clay, Iron, Crop): 21, 25, 18, 28
Buildings:
Main Building (Lv. 3)
Granary (Lv. 1)
Rally Point (Lv. 1)
Barracks (Lv. 1)
Troops: None

[bbor]

Guys just a hint....Build up your fields to level 3 before you build anything exravagant in your town.All you really need is granary,main building and warehouse.

[TazFTW]

Hmmm, I've been playing Travian for a few months and have not heard of a Server 5. When I login there are only servers 1, 2, 3, and 3x.


[edit]Ah. I've been playing on travian.us. Server 5 is on travian.com

[2nd edit]I'm at -150, 6 on server 5.

[IMetTrentGreen]

im in as fattydingdongs, server 5, teuton -144,-33

[daedalus]

Which guild in Movoda?alive. it's kinda fallen apart lately. ante (anterminator) was the first one to have said anything to me when i logged on (from jag's or masked's recommendation, i can't remember exactly). and nisa, who's been trying to hold things together, has been real cool.

let me know if you guys need some resource. i'll be glad to help. when i started, i was told y'all needed rock as you were building up the compound at the time but couldn't find any of your guildies on once i mined it.

[daedalus]

in as FrogMan, Gauls in Northwest too. Will probably only leisurely work on it though...

City's exact coordinate are (-68, 134) btw...

FMoh, sure. gauls. pffft. figures. :D

[Yellow5]

This game is right up my alley.

Great find!

And your village is right next to mine. :)

[FrogMan]

oh, sure. gauls. pffft. figures. :D

LOL, too many connections between me and Asterix not to go with the Gauls ;)

FM

[Castlerock]

This game is right up my alley.
Great find!
And your village is right next to mine. :)
And mine.

[Brillig]

Anyone know how to figure out how long you have until you can be attacked?

[FrogMan]

Anyone know how to figure out how long you have until you can be attacked?

I think I read somewhere that all newbs get three days before becoming open game to everyone... Simply figure out when you started...

FM

[Brillig]

I guess we all started early enough that we get three days... the section from the rules says:
"There is a beginner protection in Travian which means that one can not be attacked in a period of 3 to max. 14 days depending on the time between start of the world to the activation of one's account.
You can calculate the exact time by extracting the root from the running time of the world up to the point when you registered your account."

Umm. Say what? :)

Exrtacting the root from the running time of the world?

[Warhammer]

I'm in the NE corner, so I'll be our advanced outpost on this side of the map.

[lordscarlet]

You should have gotten an in-game message that tells you how many days.

[FrogMan]

You should have gotten an in-game message that tells you how many days.


ah! yes, that's where I'd read about it:
And one further hint: a cranny can be your best friend at the start, hiding your resources when aggressive player try to raid your village. Each new player has got 3 days of protection before he can be attacked, though.


There it was...

And there's also the explanation for the deliveries of resources that Brillig mentionned earlier, in another message:
After constructing a cranny level 1 you will receive three deliveries of resources from us.


heh, pays to read the mail sometimes :)

FM

[Warhammer]

The Gauls get 3 deliveries?!?!? For a stinking Cranny?

[Brillig]

That's interesting - I think it's different by race. I got only two deliveries, for building up 1 of each resource field (Roman).

[FrogMan]

is server 5 dead? Can't access it at all at the moment, or when I seem to go through, it's horribly ugly, as if something is just not right...

FM

[Alan T]

I am ok on there right now FM...

On another note, as I'm hitting day 3 soon, I'm slowly gearing up a pseudo defense mode I suppose. Built my cranny to help hide resources and such. Figure we'll be attackable soon, so want to have some backup plan.

[FrogMan]

yeah, was able to get on just now. All's cool for now...

FM

[FrogMan]

The Gauls get 3 deliveries?!?!? For a stinking Cranny?

guess what, our stinking Cranny is twice as big as yours, or even three times as big if you're a stupid teuton :p

At level 1 the cranny holds 100 units of each resource. As Teutons (http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=faq&mod=584&s=500) have a plunder bonus the cranny only hides 2/3 of the actual amounts against their raids. Gaulish (http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=faq&mod=584&s=500) crannies are twice as big as the normal ones.

FM

[Coffee Warlord]

In honor of the Lord Bacchus, God of Wine, Women and Song, the city of Bacchusia has been founded.

[FrogMan]

I guess we all started early enough that we get three days... the section from the rules says:
"There is a beginner protection in Travian which means that one can not be attacked in a period of 3 to max. 14 days depending on the time between start of the world to the activation of one's account.
You can calculate the exact time by extracting the root from the running time of the world up to the point when you registered your account."

Umm. Say what? :)

Exrtacting the root from the running time of the world?

What I understand is that every world (or servers, in our case world 5) runs for a finite period of time. So depending on when you join a game, you get more or less of a protection period which should be something like:
max (3 , square root of time since world was restarted)

Or basically, anybody who starts in the first 9 days of a world only get 3 days and everybody who starts after that gets a little bit more, up to 14 days.

Based on the graphs we can see on this page (http://s5.travian.com/statistiken.php?id=0), the number of active players was at zero on August 30, telling us that world 5 was restarted only a seven days ago... Also, you can see that there were no attacks until September 1st...

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, also this thread (http://forum.travian.com/showthread.php?t=70594) on their forum seems to explain what happens when one world is about to come to an end, in this case, S2...

FM

[Brillig]

So, who's gonna be attacked first? :)

[FrogMan]

based on him starting the thread and the fact his village is now up to 45 in pop, I'd say Vince is already out of his three days of protection :)

FM

[Brillig]

Hmm, this game might need some balancing. I went through the 60 top villages before I got bored. 100% Teutons.

[damnMikeBrown]

Drunson founded. NW, Roman

[lordscarlet]

Has anyone started an embassy yet?

[Warhammer]

Hmm, this game might need some balancing. I went through the 60 top villages before I got bored. 100% Teutons.

I was reading somewhere that early on Teutons are where it is at, but as you become more developed the Romans or Gauls are more powerful. Gauls are better on defense, whereas the Romans are better on offense. The advantage the Teutons have is in raiding and in time to recruit troops. Once they become capped out by their crop production, their troops are no longer superior to the Romans.

[Warhammer]

What is Vince's town name or his name in game?

[Yellow5]

I'm willing to compile a FOFC list of players if everyone wants to send me a pm with their game name, village name, coordinates, tribe and location (nw, ne, etc.)

Once I have that info I'll add it to this thread or share it out on Google docs.

As for my info:

Game Name: Yellow5
Village Name: Aternum
Coords: x -136, y61
Tribe: Roman
Region: NW

I've also added "FOFC" in my village details/description.

[Alan T]

I'm willing to compile a FOFC list of players if everyone wants to send me a pm with their game name, village name, coordinates, tribe and location (nw, ne, etc.)

Once I have that info I'll add it to this thread or share it out on Google docs.


Alan T
Alan T's village
-86|120
Roman
No idea if I am nw, ne or what. I went with whatever the others had put. I think I said it earlier in this thread though.

[FrogMan]

this is my list of links saved on Travian plus:
Links:
<LI class=dl>Brillig (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=22107) <LI class=dl>BrianD (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21423) <LI class=dl>Yellow5 (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21334) <LI class=dl>lordscarlet (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21311) <LI class=dl>WVUFan (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21925) <LI class=dl>Castlerock (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21533) <LI class=dl>TazFTW (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=22198) <LI class=dl>Warhammer (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21204) <LI class=dl>Neon Chaos (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21257) <LI class=dl>Alan T (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=21404) <LI class=dl>Coffee Warlord (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=24400)
Vince (http://s5.travian.com/spieler.php?uid=15816)Feel free to add your name if I missed you...

FM

[FrogMan]

well, huh, my village isn't in there obviously. Village name is FrogTown, username is FrogMan.

FM

[Neon_Chaos]

NeonChaos
Brittania
53, -79
Roman

I'm more W than NW, actually. That's pretty wierd.

[FrogMan]

I was reading somewhere that early on Teutons are where it is at, but as you become more developed the Romans or Gauls are more powerful. Gauls are better on defense, whereas the Romans are better on offense. The advantage the Teutons have is in raiding and in time to recruit troops. Once they become capped out by their crop production, their troops are no longer superior to the Romans.

That's a bit of what I thought. We are fairly early in the life of this world, so I'm not so sure the top villages represent what will survive in the long run...

FM

[Yellow5]

I was just attacked several times by Crumpler, who is right next to me. Feel free to nail him if you have troops. :)

Crumpler`s village (-136|60)

[Warhammer]

I was just attacked several times by Crumpler, who is right next to me. Feel free to nail him if you have troops. :)

Crumpler`s village (-136|60)


He has a lot of chutzpah going after you. You're more than twice his size.

[FrogMan]

He has a lot of chutzpah going after you. You're more than twice his size.

yeah, was gonna say the same thing. He built his troops as soon as he could without building any resources from what I gather...

FM

[Warhammer]

Also, make sure you start building some crannies.

[bbor]

He has a lot of chutzpah going after you. You're more than twice his size.

Size does'nt matter.....well,that's what my wife keeps telling me ;)

[FrogMan]

Also, make sure you start building some crannies.


will build mine to 340 this afternoon, pretty close to what I'd produce of about anything in 8 hours of sleep, but I will probably add another level very soon after that...

Gaulish crannies are nice :)

FM

[Yellow5]

Didn't get much because I have crannies, but still... I'm a "payback is a bitch" kind of guy and I plan to grind him into the ground.

[Castlerock]

I was just attacked several times by Crumpler, who is right next to me. Feel free to nail him if you have troops. :)

Crumpler`s village (-136|60)
He sent me a message this morning wanting peace.

[FrogMan]

He sent me a message this morning wanting peace.

oh, the irony :D

FM

[Warhammer]

He sent me a message this morning wanting peace.

Send him a note that you want a piece of his haul! :D

[Vince]

Haha. I think I'm out of my 3 days, but I have yet to be attacked. I have a Cranny, and the Barracks, and I'm currently training my first troop :)

Town is Chelleville (which is pretty un-Roman, now that I think of it. I'll probably change that), at -101, -80.

[Vince]

I have a couple of neighbors who are at population 2 and 3, and have been there for quite a while. I think I'll send my Legionaire over there once he's finished to test the waters.

[Warhammer]

Haha. I think I'm out of my 3 days, but I have yet to be attacked. I have a Cranny, and the Barracks, and I'm currently training my first troop :)

Town is Chelleville (which is pretty un-Roman, now that I think of it. I'll probably change that), at -101, -80.

What's your setup right now in your town? Production and all that jazz?

[BrianD]

Would anybody be willing to sit my account for the next few days? I'm going to be out of town from tomorrow through Tuesday. No major requests, just looking for someone to send requests to build anything while I am gone.

[Vince]

What's your setup right now in your town? Production and all that jazz?

Pretty much. The strat I was looking at said to get everything to level 3, then build up your Main Building to Level 3, build a Rally Point and a Barracks to start making troops.

The problem is that I already built my Barracks and Rally Point right away, so I lost some valuable production time. For the most part, my resources immediately go to upgrading my production. Since it seems everything in the world needs Clay, I basically prioritize it like so:

Clay (Very slightly) > Crop >>>>>>> Lumber = Iron

Edit - My current buildings:
Main Building (3)
Cranny (1)
Rally Point (1)
Barracks (1)

I'm training one Legionaire currently, and I want to build up a force of like 5 of them to just go raid inactives for bonus resources. I'm not too worried about getting raided myself, because I usually don't have much in the way of resources in the coffers (I upgrade ASAP). I really want to get some Scouts going so I can just check out other towns near me. There are a couple who are pretty big, and I want to know what kind of military capability they have.

[Vince]

Yellow5 - what happened when he attacked you? You just get a message saying that you've been raided, and you lost X resources? I want to make sure there's no Urban Militia or something that I will have to deal with...I'd hate to lose a Legionaire in a useless fashion.

(The only reason I worry is because in a Combat Simulation of 1 Legionaire vs. No defender, my Legionaire was a casualty :( )

[Yellow5]

I had a notice that he was on his way to attack. He hit with 10 troops the first time, 11 the next. Even gave me a countdown as to when it would happen.

I had zero defense so he walked in and took whatever he could get his hands on. Got a message that he took x number of resources.

[lordscarlet]

Cessna attacked me, and is also much smaller. I'm planning to just wait out the storm and wait to build troops.

[FrogMan]

I had zero defense so he walked in and took whatever he could get his hands on. Got a message that he took x number of resources.

x being whatever your cranny couldn't hold at the moment of the attack, right?

FM

[Yellow5]

Correct.

edit: but now that I think about it, he grabbed stuff both times so it wasn't a clean sweep. Still had leftovers but don't remember if it said anything about things being saved by the crannies. If I hadn't deleted the mesages I would copy and paste here.

[Vince]

Each troop has a set amount of resources they can carry - I take that to mean that's how many they can carry off in a raid. For instance, my Legionaire can hold 40. Not sure if that means 40 of each, or just 40 (10 of each).

[Vince]

Well, I'll let you know how my raid goes -- I'm sending my one legionaire to raid my next door neighbor, who has a population of 2. He arrives in 10 minutes, and I'll report the findings here.

For reference, here are my pre-raid totals:

137/177/35/750

[Yellow5]

He sent me a message this morning wanting peace.

Tell him he can have peace if he sends me an apology letter... and a couple of nights alone with his wife.

[FrogMan]

Correct.

edit: but now that I think about it, he grabbed stuff both times so it wasn't a clean sweep. Still had leftovers but don't remember if it said anything about things being saved by the crannies. If I hadn't deleted the mesages I would copy and paste here.

that edit is what I wanted to be sure. I mean, my cranny can hold much, much more than what I have in inventory at the moment, so any attack should result in no gain at all, at least in theory...

FM

[Vince]

So because I'm a quick fellow, I'm reinforcing Becali's Village. Now I gotta wait 10 minutes to call them back, and another ten minutes to send them out again. And if Becali's paying attention at all (which I doubt), he's awful confuzzled about now :)

[FrogMan]

So because I'm a quick fellow, I'm reinforcing Becali's Village. Now I gotta wait 10 minutes to call them back, and another ten minutes to send them out again. And if Becali's paying attention at all (which I doubt), he's awful confuzzled about now :)

and how did the raid go?

FM

[Vince]

That's the point. My commander (new to the whole army thing) told the troops to defend the village, not raid it. So now we have to call them back, and then send them back out with new orders to attack.

Hey, we're new to the whole military thing...

[lordscarlet]

I wrote to Cessna, asked him to stop attacking, and he did. My understanding is that is the general policy for farming.

[bbor]

That's the point. My commander (new to the whole army thing) told the troops to defend the village, not raid it. So now we have to call them back, and then send them back out with new orders to attack.

Hey, we're new to the whole military thing...

LOL

[Vince]

LOL

Yeah, after initially being really irritated, I laughed too.

[FrogMan]

That's the point. My commander (new to the whole army thing) told the troops to defend the village, not raid it. So now we have to call them back, and then send them back out with new orders to attack.

Hey, we're new to the whole military thing...

LOL!!! I didn't know who you were raiding, thought it could have been another and you defended another on your way back. Good stuff! :D

Reminds me of when illinifan had upgraded his HT stadium by only 5 VIP seats :D

FM

[Vince]

LOL!!! I didn't know who you were raiding, thought it could have been another and you defended another on your way back. Good stuff! :D

Reminds me of when illinifan had upgraded his HT stadium by only 5 VIP seats :D

FM

Haha, that's actually the first thing I thought of too :)

They're on their way for real now. The real intent of the first was deceit, and general subterfuge. Right.

[Alan T]

The whole thing plays out like a monty python skit.

[Vince]

So my Legionaire died. There were no defenders. I guess I need a force of at least a couple of troops, or just the 2 normal people there can kick his ass?

[BrianD]

That is odd since most of the game wiki areas talk about how much stronger attack is than defense...even to say that having equal numbers of attackers and defenders should result in an easy win.

[Vince]

Well, the Combat Simulator reports that I get no casualties with 2 Legionaires, so I'll try that the next time I decide to do any offensive action.

[Warhammer]

Well, surkimus just attacked our village with 10 clubswingers.

This is what I sent him:

Hail Teutons! Hail surkimus!

It appears that there has been a terrible misunderstanding with some of your merchants. A number of merchants came in a wagon, I assume to trade with our town, but they jumped out and started taking a bunch of our wares. While our merchants here certainly support "Try before you buy" they do expect some sort of payment. When one of our merchants questioned this practice, he was run through with a sword!

I am sure this is due to the language barrier between our two peoples. We would love to enter a trading relationship with the Teutons of Vaasa, but we would prefer a form of barter rather than the running through our merchants received.

If you wish to conduct this "running through" trade program, I would like to point you to the towns of memoo, Takara, and Snape's Village. They might enjoy this sort of trade a bit more.

Warmest regards,
WarhammerII
- Trade Master of Massilla

[lordscarlet]

well played. :)

[FrogMan]

well played indeed but wow, his city's population of 89 is impressive

FM

[Warhammer]

His response:

I am a filthy barbarian from the north i raid and kill ewerything that comes in my way, but if the price is right i can soften up and traid a little bit.

surkimus

So, I figure I can go to his alliance head and see if I can get them to talk some sense to the guy... Nope, he's one of the main guys in his alliance...

[lordscarlet]

His response:

I am a filthy barbarian from the north i raid and kill ewerything that comes in my way, but if the price is right i can soften up and traid a little bit.

surkimus

So, I figure I can go to his alliance head and see if I can get them to talk some sense to the guy... Nope, he's one of the main guys in his alliance...

D'oh. Good luck. Being attacked by an alliance member is going to make things rather more difficult.

[Warhammer]

>look forward to the future and all that it brings with it, either your going to >be a friend or foe, i wisch you luck, i have lots of resources to treid 3/2

Ugh, this doesn't look good long term.

[Brillig]

will build mine to 340 this afternoon, pretty close to what I'd produce of about anything in 8 hours of sleep, but I will probably add another level very soon after that...

Gaulish crannies are nice :)

FM


Yeah, the Gauls look great for early-game defense. Too bad I picked Roman :( .

Oh well, my master plan has me up to a cranny level 7 by the time I come out of protection, so any raiders can have fun scraping the dog poo off the streets. :D

[FrogMan]

His response:

I am a filthy barbarian from the north i raid and kill ewerything that comes in my way, but if the price is right i can soften up and traid a little bit.

surkimus

So, I figure I can go to his alliance head and see if I can get them to talk some sense to the guy... Nope, he's one of the main guys in his alliance...

>look forward to the future and all that it brings with it, either your going to >be a friend or foe, i wisch you luck, i have lots of resources to treid 3/2

Ugh, this doesn't look good long term.

really, ugh... Good luck with that. Any other FOFCers in your vicinity? I think I'm a bit far I'm afraid. In fact, I don't think many other FOFCers are close to me...

FM

[Vince]

>look forward to the future and all that it brings with it, either your going to >be a friend or foe, i wisch you luck, i have lots of resources to treid 3/2

Ugh, this doesn't look good long term.

You might want to let him know that you simply plan on upgrading your cranny and developing Defensive troops, so that you won't be easy pickings. Make it clear you intend no offensive action, just that you're going to defend yourself. He won't keep "farming" you if you are a hard nut to crack.

[Warhammer]

You might want to let him know that you simply plan on upgrading your cranny and developing Defensive troops, so that you won't be easy pickings. Make it clear you intend no offensive action, just that you're going to defend yourself. He won't keep "farming" you if you are a hard nut to crack.

I told him that I would be willing to trade with him once I get a marketplace and stuff up. I pointed out that a 3/2 trade for him is easier than farming me. He seemed to be willing to accept that. I don't have a problem with essentially giving him 100 resources if it enables me to concentrate on other things.

[Alan T]

Has anyone started working on an embassy? If not I'll start building mine up so we can form our alliance sooner rather than later. I assume if people see us as part of an alliance they might skip past us as someone that is not "Easy pickings"

[Brillig]

I think Warhammer is/was.

[Alan T]

Ahh ok. hows that going warhammer? I have my embassy at level 1 (Required to join alliances).. if you are further along, then I won't go any further and focus on other things. If you're at #1 I can go ahead and do it. Im not being harassed by any other town right now.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ahh ok. hows that going warhammer? I have my embassy at level 1 (Required to join alliances).. if you are further along, then I won't go any further and focus on other things. If you're at #1 I can go ahead and do it. Im not being harassed by any other town right now.

I echo Alan's sentiments. I am basically in a non-hostile enviroment (yet)

[Yellow5]

I was attacked again so I'd like to get an alliance setup as quickly as possible. I'm not losing much due to enough storage in my crannies but I'd feel better if we had an alliance going.

[Alan T]

I never heard where Warhammer stood on the embassy thing and it sounded like he had some issues with being attacked himself, so I'll go ahead and upgrade my embassy to level 2. I'll need level 3 to be able to start an alliance, and everyone who wants to join will need level 1 embassy themselves.

[Alan T]

Ok, should have a level 3 embassy later today to be able to invite people into an alliance. You have to have a level 1 embassy in order to be invited in.. Who has level 1 embassys so I can invite them today?

[lordscarlet]

I guess I should start building my embassy when I have enough resources in an hour or so. :)

[HerRealName]

I'm playing under SpankEJones and I have an Embassy 1. I should have a barracks in the near future too. I should probably build up my resources more first but I lack the patience.

[FrogMan]

Ok, should have a level 3 embassy later today to be able to invite people into an alliance. You have to have a level 1 embassy in order to be invited in.. Who has level 1 embassys so I can invite them today?

currently says:
Enough resources today at 13:42 o'clock

I should be back home around that time to build it. Will let you know when I'm ready to be invited...

FM

[lordscarlet]

Level 1 Embassy construction begun. It will be complete at 10:08 EST.

[Yellow5]

My embassy is complete.

[Brillig]

Embassy built!

[FrogMan]

Building:
<TABLE class=f10 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD>Embassy (level 1)</TD><TD>0:30:51 h</TD><TD>done at 14:36</SPAN> o'clock</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
That's eastern time... :)

FM

[Alan T]

I need about 20 more crops, but heading out to eat in a few. when I get back I'll do the upgrade to level 3 embassy and then send out the invites. probably in about 3 hours or so!

[Warhammer]

Ahh ok. hows that going warhammer? I have my embassy at level 1 (Required to join alliances).. if you are further along, then I won't go any further and focus on other things. If you're at #1 I can go ahead and do it. Im not being harassed by any other town right now.

Got attacked 8 more times by the farging ass last night. I understand games where this crap happens, but this really sucks.

[Neon_Chaos]

Better be quick, man. :) The attacks aren't stopping. Lol

[Yellow5]

Build crannies! Seriously, I've got mine up to level 6 and that has stopped attacks for the moment. People come in and leave with nothing.

[lordscarlet]

Got attacked 8 more times by the farging ass last night. I understand games where this crap happens, but this really sucks.

I don't "understand" it, but I understand that it happens. It's bullshit if you ask me.

[daedalus]

<table class="tbg" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td class="s7">daedalus hidden village (http://s5.travian.com/karte.php?d=244594&c=56) (Capital)</td> <td>8</td> <td>(-112|95)</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Warhammer]

I don't "understand" it, but I understand that it happens. It's bullshit if you ask me.

He attacked me again and only got 14 grain...

[Alan T]

Ok, created the alliance, and sent invites out to everyone that I knew was playing..

If you are playing and didn't get an invite, tell us what your game name is..

Also at level 3 embassy, our alliance can only have 9 players.. I currently have 13 invites out.. so Im guessing those who are late will get left out. I'll upgrade to level 4 embassy tonight and then level 5 as soon as I can, as each level we can add 3 more people. I'm hoping by tommorrow we'll have everyone in who wants to join..

We have some options for the alliance, I will list them below:

1) Change the name. I currently have it called FOFC.. we can name it whatever we want.

2) Give people in the alliance specific positions. I don't know if there are a limit to how many "positions" we can have, but in doing so, I can also give people some or any of the following abilities within the alliance: Assign to position, Kick Player, Change Alliance Description, Alliance Diplomacy, IGMs to every alliance member, Invite player to alliance, manage forums.

3) I can kick a player, doubt thats needed for us.

4) Change Alliance description - We can have a short name (such as FOFC), and a longer description (currently also set to FOFC)

5) Alliance Diplomacy -

We can offer an alliance with another alliance, offer a non-agression pact, or declare war with another alliance.

[Vince]

I'll start building my Embassy as soon as I have the resources for it. Should have one by this evening.

[Yellow5]

Just accepted mine, thanks! I'm cool with a few of us having the ability to make changes to the alliance. I would expect most of that would be discussed here before any changes are made unless it is an emergency situation.

[Yellow5]

Oh and found this link: http://travilog.org.ua/compressor.php

It's an attack log parser.

[Castlerock]

Ok, created the alliance, and sent invites out to everyone that I knew was playing..

If you are playing and didn't get an invite, tell us what your game name is..
castlerock
No embasy yet but I'll build one soon.

[sabotai]

Started playing. Game name is sabotai, village name is Dencetium (-77|128)

Have mostly inactive people around me from what I can tell, but there are a few 30+ populations around me.

[Alan T]

castlerock
No embasy yet but I'll build one soon.

Think I already sent you one. You should have it when you start up an embassy.

Started playing. Game name is sabotai, village name is Dencetium (-77|128)

Have mostly inactive people around me from what I can tell, but there are a few 30+ populations around me.

Sent you one too.

[lordscarlet]

I did not get one: lordscarlet

[Alan T]

I did not get one: lordscarlet

It says there is one for you. Check in your embassy to see if you have the invite?

[lordscarlet]

Wow. it doesn't send you a notice? That is super lame.

[lordscarlet]

dola: Woo! I'm #1!

[FrogMan]

Wow. it doesn't send you a notice? That is super lame.

yeah, it's lame. I didn't know I had one and sent a notice to Alan only to see I had one in my embassy...

FM

[Vince]

You guys filled that thing up fast...looks like I'm waiting until Alan can upgrade :)

[Alan T]

You guys filled that thing up fast...looks like I'm waiting until Alan can upgrade :)

I'll do it tommorrow. I need to upgrade my crops first really quick. I neglected them bad to crank out the level 3 embassy today. :) So should have enough crops first thing in the morning to upgrade. Check back before noon tommorrow.

[Vince]

No rush -- don't hinder your own advancement for my sake :)

[Yellow5]

So here's my current status:

Production

Lumber = 34 per hour
Clay = 38 per hour
Iron = 34 per hour
Crop = 15 per hour

Crops will get my next upgrade.

Cranny is at level 5, with one warehouse, a level 3 main building, level 1 rally point and barracks.

I am working on getting all of my resources at level 3 and then I'll start expanding more. I will probably add a few more cranny as well just to keep my resources to myself.

Not sure if that is a decent way to go or not, but seems correct. Any thoughts or ideas on how we should be developing our cities to make the alliance strong?

[FrogMan]

here's where I'm at now...

Production
lumber at 35
clay at 45
iron at 30
crop at 17

will probably upgrade crops next a couple times tomorrow morning

Cranny level 6 is currently being built, about 47 minutes from being done, level 3 main building, no rally point, nor barracks yet. No warehouse either although I have my level one embassy...

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, my lumber/clay/iron productions are all with a 25% production bonus thanks to the free gold thing. Something like 3.5 days left to that...

FM

[Brillig]

Production:<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>http://s5.travian.com/img/un/r/1.gif</TD><TD>Lumber:</TD><TD align=right>35 </TD><TD>per hour</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://s5.travian.com/img/un/r/2.gif</TD><TD>Clay:</TD><TD align=right>45 </TD><TD>per hour</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://s5.travian.com/img/un/r/3.gif</TD><TD>Iron:</TD><TD align=right>40 </TD><TD>per hour</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://s5.travian.com/img/un/r/4.gif</TD><TD>Crop:</TD><TD align=right>27 </TD><TD>per hour</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Cranny level 7, Main building level 2, Embassay level 1.

[lordscarlet]

Production:
Lumber: 40 per hour
Clay: 40 per hour
Iron: 30 per hour
Crop: 23 per hour

Main: Level 3
Cranny: Level 5
Marketplace: Level 2
Embassy: Level 1
Warehouse: Level 1
Granary: Level 1
Rally Point: Level 1

I'm considering building a barracks next, but I'm not sure.

[Alan T]

Looks like it will be about 2-3pm EST when I'll have enough crops to upgrade to level 4 embassy. Have a few people still needing invites, so I'll likely need a level 5 or 6 embassy as well to cover them all.

[lordscarlet]

What resources do you need? I can send some over.

[lordscarlet]

...I sent some surplus.. it takes 9 hours to get to you, though. :)

[Alan T]

Its mostly crops that I need. the guides I read stated that I'd want to build up some of the other resources a bit faster than Crops which I did at first, but crops eventually caught up and surpassed all of the other resources. .. (am level 3 crops in most spots, some level 2).. but I find the embassy upgrades seem to mainly be waiting on my crop yield.

Right now I'm trying to: upgrade embassy -> upgrade crops -> upgrade embassy again.

[lordscarlet]

What I read said to keep crop production at at least half of clay.. My crops are doing well at 20-25 right now, and I only have one level 3.

[Alan T]

What I read said to keep crop production at at least half of clay.. My crops are doing well at 20-25 right now, and I only have one level 3.

I read the same thing.. my Clay is 35 production and crops are only 20 production. I have more level 3 crops than you do though, I wonder why I have less production... The Embassy upgrades eat up alot of crops though, almost as much as clay.

Embassy 4 upgrade = 375 wood, 275 clay, 315 iron, 170 crops.

Currently I have: 374 wood, 711 clay, 528 iron and 99 crops.... I can't even use my clay fast enough right now.

[Warhammer]

Great, now I have two other nations trying to hit me... They didn't get anything though...

[Warhammer]

Current stats:

lumber: 40 per hour
Clay: 45 per hour
Iron: 35 per hour
Crops: 19 per hour

Main Building L3
Barracks L1
Cranny L4
Rally Point L1

[Coffee Warlord]

Lumber: 30
Clay: 35
Iron: 25
Food: 17

Main Building: L3
Barracks: L1
Cranny: L1

Troops: 1 sad legionaire.

[damnMikeBrown]

I seem to be way behind the curve.

Lumber:24
Clay: 28
Iron: 24
Food: 13

Cranny: L5

[Alan T]

I'm account sitting for BrianD while he is gone for a few days. It says someone is coming to attack him in a bit over an hour. I had upgradded his cranny high enough where it should hold all of the resources he has. Just a quick question so I dont mess him up.. is this a sufficient defense, just let them come attack, raid and leave with nothing?

[Brillig]

Hmm, odd coincedence - I'm right next to him, and I've got an attack coming in as well, should arrive around 11:05 Pacific.

But AFAIK, just having enough cranny should be sufficient.

Also, early attackers are likely to be Teutons, so the cranny will only be 2/3rds as efficient...

[Alan T]

Then I guess I will go ahead and do an upgrade I wasn't planning on for him to make sure that those resources are used and not stolen. :)

[Alan T]

Level 4 Embassy done at 19:29 game time.. about 1 hour from now. For those still trying to get in.

[Alan T]

Eesh,, the guy who attacked Brian was Firebat from the #1 alliance on the server.. came with 25 clubswingers and a hero.. He left dissapointed I am sure as he left with nothing if I am reading it right. The Bounty was 0 all the way across.

[Alan T]

Oh, I see in the alliance menu, you can see attacks on people in our alliance there.

[Brillig]

Yep, he didn't get anything from me either :)

Let him go bug someone else...

Oh, and I discovered that there's no penalty for cancelling a level 1 building. So you can start a level 1 *whatever* just before the attack hits if you don't have enough cranny, then cancel right after.

[Alan T]

Embassy upgrade is complete. Another 3 people can join. I need to upgrade crops today, but will upgrade embassy again tommorrow morning to level 5

[tucker rocky]

I play this game, but unfortunately I'm on server 2 , not 5 like ya'll are.

here is a link of faq's:

http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=start&mod=100&s=100

[TazFTW]

I play this game, but unfortunately I'm on server 2 , not 5 like ya'll are.

here is a link of faq's:

http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=start&mod=100&s=100

You can have 1 account per server. I have accounts on 2 (ugh), 3x, and 5.

[Warhammer]

You can have 1 account per server. I have accounts on 2 (ugh), 3x, and 5.

I also have one on classic 3.

[tucker rocky]

You can have 1 account per server. I have accounts on 2 (ugh), 3x, and 5.

I always though is was 1 account for the whole game, regardless of which server.

[tucker rocky]

In on sever 5 in the NW.

Gaul tribe

-151/46 tuckerville

[Vince]

You guys keep filling that damned Alliance faster than I can get in :) About to go try again.

[MrBug708]

I'm in too

MrBug708`s village

[Alan T]

You guys keep filling that damned Alliance faster than I can get in :) About to go try again.

I'll keep upping the embassy until we get everyone in.. It just takes a while because its really costly each upgrade now :)

For this upgrade its 485 wood, 350 clay, 405 iron and 215 crops. Thanks to Lordscarlet, he helped supply some of the materials needed for this upgrade. :) I should have enough materials in the next hour, and then it will take about 1 hour, 15 minutes or so to build. It will only be enough room for 3 more people then I have to upgrade again.

Some alliance questions:

- How do people feel about the name? Change to something else, or this ok?
-Who do you all want to elect as leaders?
- I got some messages asking if they could join our alliance. Do we want outsiders to be allowed in, or keep it FOFC only? (Obviously FOFC only until everyone gets in at the least)

[lordscarlet]

The name is fine with me. Who is SpankEJones, btw? :)

[Alan T]

This is SpankE:

I'm playing under SpankEJones and I have an Embassy 1. I should have a barracks in the near future too. I should probably build up my resources more first but I lack the patience.

[Alan T]

Also, we should consider someone taking up the lead on military forces. I see a pretty nasty raid was done on Yellow5 by some unaffiliated player.. We probably should figure out how we want to set up a reprisal force for things like that. Just to deter any future such actions on our members.

[Alan T]

Ok Embassy is upgraded to level 5. Right now I have 6 invitations pending to FOFC members. So we'll need at least one more embassy upgrade.

Next upgrade is: 620 wood, 445 clay, 515 iron, and 275 crops.. so will take me a bit of time to store it back up again. I expect I'll be able to upgrade to that tommorrow at some point.

[Neon_Chaos]

HAHA! Finally got in, by luck and chance!

[lordscarlet]

1) I have 1 legionaire, which is worthless, so a militar response from me would take a while
2) We should each send like 50 of each resource (if you have a marketplace) to Alan T. We couldn't have this alliance without his embassy, we should help build it.

[Warhammer]

As soon as I get some resources, I'm all for it.

[Alan T]

1) I have 1 legionaire, which is worthless, so a militar response from me would take a while
2) We should each send like 50 of each resource (if you have a marketplace) to Alan T. We couldn't have this alliance without his embassy, we should help build it.

I don't necessarily need that unless people have extras. I could use some extra lumber to build the next stage of the embassy, but am perfectly ok on iron and clay for now. Would love to see resources put in for someone (or people) to start building a military branch. Some of our members are being attacked a bit much and we should discourage that behavior :)

[lordscarlet]

I don't necessarily need that unless people have extras. I could use some extra lumber to build the next stage of the embassy, but am perfectly ok on iron and clay for now. Would love to see resources put in for someone (or people) to start building a military branch. Some of our members are being attacked a bit much and we should discourage that behavior :)

That's good with me too. I have focused mostly on resources, but I've started to spread thin with my buildings a little bit. Does anyone have above a Level 1 barracks that we can fund for military leadership? My production levels are currently 40/45/40/19. I'll be upping crops around 11:30 and then sitting a while to build resources up for my next upgrade. If people would like me to build up military, I can do that, but so far I haven't worked towards it at all (I just have a Level 0 or 1.. whatever it starts as.. barracks). If anyone needs supplies, let me know. It takes quite a while to transport them (7 or 9 hours or something for me to get to Alan T).

[Warhammer]

I think we should all focus on military a bit. I just conducted a raid with my Server 3 acct., and I can see where it is beneficial. With two legionnaires, I am hauling back 20 of each resource for 40 minutes of work.

[lordscarlet]

I think we should all focus on military a bit. I just conducted a raid with my Server 3 acct., and I can see where it is beneficial. With two legionnaires, I am hauling back 20 of each resource for 40 minutes of work.

There's something to be said for having someone that can churn out resources as well. If you get to level 10 I can't imagine how much you're getting per hours, but I'm already getting twice what you mentioned per hour with level 2's primarily.

[Warhammer]

There's something to be said for having someone that can churn out resources as well. If you get to level 10 I can't imagine how much you're getting per hours, but I'm already getting twice what you mentioned per hour with level 2's primarily.

You're right, but that is at a cost of how many crops? For an upkeep of two crops per hour, I made 20 of each. If I add another guy to the raids, that is another 13 of each resource.

Depending upon how you look at it, it makes a lot of sense to do, as it also weakens your opponents.

[Alan T]

Warhammer, I notice you hadn't joined the alliance yet. There should be 2 spots available right now if you want to hop in. I think I'll be able to get everyone in by tommorrow at some point.

[lordscarlet]

You're right, but that is at a cost of how many crops? For an upkeep of two crops per hour, I made 20 of each. If I add another guy to the raids, that is another 13 of each resource.

Depending upon how you look at it, it makes a lot of sense to do, as it also weakens your opponents.

I have no idea what the crop cost would be. :)

[Warhammer]

To go from lvl 1 iron to lvl 2 iron, it is 2 crops per hour. That gains 6 iron. So your crop per hour ratio is 3 iron for every crop. I just scored 20 iron, 20 crop, 20 clay, and 20 timber for the same crop cost as 6 iron. But this will vary by distance to the town, etc.

[FrogMan]

To go from lvl 1 iron to lvl 2 iron, it is 2 crops per hour. That gains 6 iron. So your crop per hour ratio is 3 iron for every crop. I just scored 20 iron, 20 crop, 20 clay, and 20 timber for the same crop cost as 6 iron. But this will vary by distance to the town, etc.


aren't your troops using a pretty sizeable amount of crop too though?

FM

[lordscarlet]

aren't your troops using a pretty sizeable amount of crop too though?

FM

2 per I think. So 8 crops for the 20/20/20/20 haul.

[Castlerock]

Building a barracks now. Crumpler is in the space between me and yellow. So we should be able to squeeze him.

[Alan T]

Due to overwhelming lack of response about other leaders... :)

I added Vince in the position of "Elder" since he was the one who started this thread and has the current largest village. Gave him all the same powers as me.

Figure we can also have a position to head the military and commerce wings added if anyone wants to nominate someone for those two positions. :)

[MrBug708]

Alan

*ahem* :)

[Castlerock]

here comes an attack... (bearbar)

[Alan T]

Alan

*ahem* :)


Woops, didn't see your post earlier that you joined. Sent you an invitation as well.

Currently only 1 spot left in the alliance with 5 pending invites, so first one to get it gets in. I'll upgrade more again tommorrow once I get enough lumber to get another 3 people in :)

[Alan T]

This upgrade costs:

620 wood, 445 clay, 515 iron, 275 crops.

Since I am completely out of crops, and almost out of wood, it will take me almost 18 hours to save up enough resources for the next upgrade. So likely will be tommorrow morning EST again (assuming I dont get attacked as my cranny can't store that much yet).

[lordscarlet]

Building a barracks now. Crumpler is in the space between me and yellow. So we should be able to squeeze him.

Looks like WVUFan is right there as well.

[lordscarlet]

starbarbar appears to be a serious problem, and I have nowhere near 29 soldiers.. and he is in an alliance..

[MrBug708]

Woops, didn't see your post earlier that you joined. Sent you an invitation as well.

Currently only 1 spot left in the alliance with 5 pending invites, so first one to get it gets in. I'll upgrade more again tommorrow once I get enough lumber to get another 3 people in :)

In :)

[Castlerock]

Looks like WVUFan is right there as well.
looks to be inactive.

[Castlerock]

starbarbar appears to be a serious problem, and I have nowhere near 29 soldiers.. and he is in an alliance.. and several of those alliance members are in my immediate area.

[lordscarlet]

and several of those alliance members are in my immediate area.

I will start working on troops, but I'm not sure how far away you are. I will have to farm a little near me to get resources.. IW ant to wait until I'm up to 4 troops, I think, though.

[lordscarlet]

ugh. 7:58:01 h to get to him.

[Yellow5]

I want crumpler so bad... I dunno how he got so much form me, my cranny is at lvl 7 or 8. He needs a beatdown in the worst way.

Also getting attacks from starbar or whatever his name is. Time to focus on military.

[Alan T]

My suggestion would be at least to start focus on people not in an alliance for retaliation.. I'm not sure we're built up militarywise to handle an alliance vs alliance war just yet. Have to depend on crannies for that for now..

Just one of those things, take notes and come back for revenge once we're ready type things. Last I saw, Crumpler wasn't in an alliance, so should be someone we could gang up in the short term.

[Yellow5]

He sent 29 at me last time.

I would like to see us double that number and hit him. :) I've warned him that my alliance isn't happy about the attacks, we'll see what he says.

[lordscarlet]

We have nowhere near 29 :)

[FrogMan]

I want crumpler so bad... I dunno how he got so much form me, my cranny is at lvl 7 or 8.


remember that he is a Teuton and from the FAQ:

The Teutons


The Teutons are the most aggressive tribe. Their troops are notorious and feared for their rage and frenzy when they attack. They move around as a plundering horde, not even afraid of death.

But they lack the military discipline of the Gauls or Romans, which causes their weaknesses in speed and defense. For aggressive and experienced players the Teutons are an excellent choice!

The differences:
Plunder bonus: the cranny (http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=faq&mod=362) of enemies only hides 2/3 of its content.
The earth wall (http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=faq&mod=338) is almost indestructable, but only gives a minimal defense bonus
Merchants can carry 1000 units of resources (speed: 12 fields/hour)
Very cheap and fast trained troops which are excellent plunderers
Weak defense

See in red...

If he times his attacks right, say right before you log on in the morning, when your cranny is quite full, he can get a good bit out of it...

FM

[Surtt]

OK, I have a village going.

Unfortunately I picked Teutons, can I still join the guild?

[Alan T]

OK, I have a village going.

Unfortunately I picked Teutons, can I still join the guild?

Sure, we have gauls, romans and Teutons in our alliance. You will need an embassy level 1 in order to join. We have a good number of people still looking to join, as we can only add about 3 per day on average right now.. What is your game name, so we can send you an invite as well tommorrow once the embassy is upgraded again.

[Warhammer]

OK, how many invites are there in the alliance still?

EDIT: I'll have my embassy up in about 3 hours.

[Surtt]

Sure, we have gauls, romans and Teutons in our alliance. You will need an embassy level 1 in order to join. We have a good number of people still looking to join, as we can only add about 3 per day on average right now.. What is your game name, so we can send you an invite as well tommorrow once the embassy is upgraded again.

"surtr"

I have an embassy 1.
Whenever you can give me an invite is cool.

[FrogMan]

ugh. 7:58:01 h to get to him.

that time got me intrigued and I found this very useful travel time calculator:
http://www.javaschubla.de/2006/travian/wegerechner/wegerechner-t3i.html?lang=en

Apparently, to get to Yellow5, it would take my swordsmen 33 hours :D

Closest to me is sabotai at only 1:48 and Alan T at 3:15. Looks like Yellow5 is in the best quadrant to be attacked though, look at where people are:
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BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Brillig</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-142</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>46</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BrianD</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-141</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>46</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>lordscarlet</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-149</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>13</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>WVUFan</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-135</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>61</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>TazFTW</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-150</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>6</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Warhammer</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>52</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>78</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Neon Chaos</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>53</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-79</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Alan T</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-86</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>120</TD></TR><FORM name=form action=""></FORM><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Coffee Warlord</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-48</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>17</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Vince</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-101</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>HerRealName</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-141</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>13</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>daedalus</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-112</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>95</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>sabotai</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-77</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>128</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Edit: took the wrong line, to get to yellow5, it would take my men 16.5 hours or about, still a loooong way...

FM

[FrogMan]

I also just realized that the Gaul Merchants are pretty damned fast, would only take them 4:09 to get to yellow5 at a pace of 24 fields per hour :eek:

FM

[Warhammer]

Ooof, got an incoming attack. How do you scout out an attack?

[Alan T]

OK, how many invites are there in the alliance still?

EDIT: I'll have my embassy up in about 3 hours.

We are full up again now. Thanks to Lordscarlet sending a second bunch of supplied, it shortened the amount of time left to build the embassy to level 6 and invite in 3 more. Still need about 380 lumber though, at 40 lumber per hour, thats about 10 hours + 90 min to build. So likely first thing in the morning we'll be up to level 6.

[Surtt]

I have 2 guys that are attacking me every 3-4 hours.
At this point I can't get anything built anymore.

[Alan T]

I have 2 guys that are attacking me every 3-4 hours.
At this point I can't get anything built anymore.

Ouch, thats rediculous. Who is it attacking you? Can you even build a cranny up? If you can build up a cranny to store stuff, they will leave with nothing and become disinterested in you.

[Yellow5]

Built 1 Legionnaire just to be silly. He will die in the next attack, but he'll die a brave man.. or a fool. Actually I think I am going to use him to attack a couple of the inactives around me to see what happens.

[Surtt]

Ouch, thats rediculous. Who is it attacking you? Can you even build a cranny up? If you can build up a cranny to store stuff, they will leave with nothing and become disinterested in you.

I have a level 6 cranny, but it doesn't hold enough for me to build on between attacks.

[FrogMan]

Alan, you need anything other than wood? I'm about to send you all I have which is not much, some 87 or so, and could supplement it with something else you could use, let me know. I'm about an hour of merchant's walk from you btw...

FM

[Alan T]

Built 1 Legionnaire just to be silly. He will die in the next attack, but he'll die a brave man.. or a fool. Actually I think I am going to use him to attack a couple of the inactives around me to see what happens.

Based on vince's test before, you probably want to send at least 2 out. Sending 1 out for Vince just got him killed before.

[FrogMan]

Built 1 Legionnaire just to be silly. He will die in the next attack, but he'll die a brave man.. or a fool. Actually I think I am going to use him to attack a couple of the inactives around me to see what happens.

Vince tried the one legionnaire attack, he will die without bringing anything back...

FM

[Alan T]

Alan, you need anything other than wood? I'm about to send you all I have which is not much, some 87 or so, and could supplement it with something else you could use, let me know. I'm about an hour of merchant's walk from you btw...

FM


I already have enough clay, and will have enough iron in about 2 hours. Lumber I need 9.2 hours or 368 pieces of lumber. Crops I need about 4.5 hours or 80 crops.

So mainly its the lumber that is the limiting factor for me right now. Even though I'm making 40 per hour, I just use tons of it to upgrade.

[Yellow5]

Then I shall send two and they will feel my wrath!!! or something like that... actually I think the least that will work is 5.

[Surtt]

I am trying to use the scorched earth approach.
Neither has gotten anything for there last couple of attacks.
I am hoping they go away soon and I can start saving up to build again.

[FrogMan]

I already have enough clay, and will have enough iron in about 2 hours. Lumber I need 9.2 hours or 368 pieces of lumber. Crops I need about 4.5 hours or 80 crops.

So mainly its the lumber that is the limiting factor for me right now. Even though I'm making 40 per hour, I just use tons of it to upgrade.

okay, I'll let my woodcutters cut some more wood, up until I get home in about an hour and will send you what I have then, or a little after that. Up to 90 right now, cutting 45 per hour if I wait a bit, say even a couple more hours, that would give you 180 or about half of what you need to upgrade...

Anybody else in a non threatening environment can help Alan a bit?

FM

[lordscarlet]

We are full up again now. Thanks to Lordscarlet sending a second bunch of supplied, it shortened the amount of time left to build the embassy to level 6 and invite in 3 more. Still need about 380 lumber though, at 40 lumber per hour, thats about 10 hours + 90 min to build. So likely first thing in the morning we'll be up to level 6.

Hah. I forgot about that because it takes so long to get to you.

[FrogMan]

Alan, my lone merchant has left my village with 205 pieces of lumber, should arrive at your place in 57 minutes. That's if they don't stop by a stripper club on their way. :)

FM

[Brillig]

Looks like some of our own have started some whomping. Good going :)

[Surtt]

wOOt!

Looks like one of my antagonists has quit (or pissed off the wrong guild)
His village is gone and he is no longer listed as a player.

[Alan T]

Thanks Frogman for the donation, will help a bunch!

So today I received 3 different requests to join the alliance as well as another alliance asking if we wanted to become part of their bigger alliance killer kreations by becoming KK_NE... heh

[Alan T]

Got the supplies FM, thanks again. Only need 18 more lumber and 18 more crops. So should be all set in an hour. Will take like 80-90 min to build the embassy as well, so I expect by 10-11pm EST it should be upgraded for 3 more people to join.

[FrogMan]

hehe, was gonna say:
FrogTown supplies Alan T`s village

:D

FM

[Brillig]

wOOt!

Looks like one of my antagonists has quit (or pissed off the wrong guild)
His village is gone and he is no longer listed as a player.

I think it's more likely he got caught as a multi...

[Surtt]

I think it's more likely he got caught as a multi...

I hope so, at least I can start building again.
getting attacked ever 3 hours around the clock sucked.

[FrogMan]

I think it's more likely he got caught as a multi...

I hadn't thought of that, but the village being conquered of beaten down by another kind of raised a question in my mind. Sure enough, I just found what made me doubt this, again from the FAQ:
Conquerable villages:
Only villages that are not the capital of a player can be conquered, regardlessly where the palace (http://help.travian.com/index.php?type=faq&mod=370) is.


so what Brillig said seems like a plausible answer to what happened to him...

FM

[FrogMan]

I hope so, at least I can start building again.
getting attacked ever 3 hours around the clock sucked.

at times like these, you'd have been quite happy being a Gaul. Could have built and upgraded a trapper a few levels and trapped his troops... :)

FM

[FrogMan]

that time got me intrigued and I found this very useful travel time calculator:
http://www.javaschubla.de/2006/travian/wegerechner/wegerechner-t3i.html?lang=en


fooled around with that thing and I suddenly feel very much alone in the FOFC alliance.

Here are the travel time, with the most basic Gaul troop, the Swordsmen, from me to anybody else I know in the alliance:
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BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.13574074074074075">03:15:28</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>daedalus</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.40831018518518519">09:47:58</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Surtt</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.62796296296296295">15:04:16</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>WVUFan</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.68809027777777787">16:30:51</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Yellow5</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.69281250000000005">16:37:39</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Castlerock</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.70303240740740736">16:52:22</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BrianD</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.79400462962962959">19:03:22</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Brillig</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.7984606481481481">19:09:47</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Coffee Warlord</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.82428240740740744">19:46:58</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Warhammer</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.91960648148148139">22:04:14</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>HerRealName</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.98135416666666664">23:33:09</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>lordscarlet</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="1.0111689814814815">24:16:05</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>TazFTW</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="1.0556481481481481">25:20:08</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Vince</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="1.5036805555555555">36:05:18</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Neon Chaos</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-TOP: #ebe9ed; BORDER-LEFT: #ebe9ed; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ebe9ed; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="1.7011805555555555">40:49:42</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Yes, Neon Chaos, if I ever visit you, it'll be a good couple of days before I get to you... :)

FM