SAT Pro and College Version 5 Released!

[Galaril]

Second and Ten version 5 has been released for download and it has some great new features. They have added nice features and will be adding an encyclopedia add in a week or two that will allow people to play over a period of seasons and keep stats which is about as close as you can get to career mode with a replay sim.

link:http://www.roogames.co.uk/

[PadresFan104]

And you can grab a bunch of great SAT Mod Files for the game at my website (see sig).

[Klinglerware]

Is the college game updated in any significant way? Didn't see much info on the site...

[PadresFan104]

Is the college game updated in any significant way? Didn't see much info on the site...

I don't play the college version myself, but I believe the college game has received all the same improvements that the Pro game has seen in V4 and V5.

Al

[Galaril]

I will try to find the feature list that the developer posted ove ront he delphi forums but what Padre said is true. The game pro and college is basically the same game except that the college game has been modified for College rules and some other things that are different like running QBs, different defenses and some longer avg yard per carry for some RB. All the improvemnts from the pro game are mirror ed in the college game. In fact the games Pro and college is just one download.

[cubboyroy1826]

The site sure doesnt give you a lot of info on what has changed.

Is the Pro and College game all in one or are they two different purchases?

[mauchow]

Two seperate games cubboy.

If you go to the purchase part of the site you can see the prices. $25 pounds.

[cubboyroy1826]

Wow so i am looking at $50 US dollars for this game. I might have to pass.

[PadresFan104]

Interesting, there used to be much more info on their website... Anyway, one of the cool things about that $50 for the Pro game is that you will get lifetime updates, and access to 66 Pro seasons. The game has great CPU AI, is fun and easy to play, and we now have Internet play this year, so leagues are starting to form. Best $50 I've ever spent on a PC game.

[cubboyroy1826]

I have played the older versions and would love to see what was changed in the new college version. There is a mention of direct internet play, what does this mean?

[Galaril]

The site sure doesnt give you a lot of info on what has changed.

Is the Pro and College game all in one or are they two different purchases?

Interesting, there used to be much more info on their website... Anyway, one of the cool things about that $50 for the Pro game is that you will get lifetime updates, and access to 66 Pro seasons. The game has great CPU AI, is fun and easy to play, and we now have Internet play this year, so leagues are starting to form. Best $50 I've ever spent on a PC game.

I have played the older versions and would love to see what was changed in the new college version. There is a mention of direct internet play, what does this mean?

I agree first that the site isn't very good for Roo and the delphi forums wouldn't be my choice for my products official forum. That being said the Pro game is awesome and alot of fun. And like Padres mentioned you get all the seasons in the history of pro football to 1940. The college game I just played around with the trial that is with the full game and it seems alright if you liked any of the last three season 04,05 or 06, sinc that is the only option other than a 160 team greatest teams throughout the eras which can be played like a big tournament. I can't see at this time buying the college game but the progame is a no brainer.

[Galaril]

Ok i found the new features list on the forum what pain in the ass to track this down.

Second and Ten – Version 5 – New Features

The following is a list of the major features included with version 5. We anticipate a release date of late August - early September, but nothing has been finalised yet.

College

Fully integrated college version into version 4 format, so all features available in the pro version will now be available in the college version as well.
Full college season now available as a single database – no more linking of seasons is required
Ability to use real-time-scoring for full 60+ game college week
Added SAT ranking system for college teams.
Updated with 2006 rule changes
Season Formats

Tournament Mode

Ability to set up a tournament with up to 128 teams
Draw can be random, or seeded with further options available for each type
Tournament can be set up from externally created file World-Cup Format

Based on European soccer style format
8, 16 or 32 teams split into groups of 4 teams, who play each team in their group once or home/road
Automatically created ‘playoff’ with group winners playing group runners-up at a single venue
Special tie-breaker rules – HTH, Pts differential, TD differential

General Season Improvements

Automatic creation of playoffs from any season
Ability to determine specific order of tie-breakers for any season
New display ‘breaks’ division winner ties
New display makes it even easier to see how wild-card ties were broken
Ability to print weekly summary report for previous weeks

Game-Engine Improvements

Improved AI defensive play-calling routine, including additional human play-calling tracking
Improved AI offensive formation rules – key players will now be more likely to remain on the field.
Optional player rest system which forces human coach to rest key players during the game
New ‘fatigue’ rules for low-carry RBs who exceed their RPG by a certain amount.
New Aggressive defensive option which increases turnover chances while also increasing the chance of a completed pass and additional yards gained (rushing or passing).
New Triple Coverage option.

Game-Play Improvements

New optional referee display shows the referee signal penalties, timeouts and scores with appropriate .wav sound played.
Optional (free 3rd party software required) stadium announcer enhances immersion factor.
Automatic correct playoffs setup at end of season to include choosing site of the SB.

Bug Fixes

Addressed all V4 reported bugs.

Direct internet play is also being developed for version 5

[Galaril]

Also, here is the encyclopedia add-on info:

The encyclopedia is a stand-alone program, not part of version 5.

"We have a basic encyclopedia working which we are testing across a full 60 season replay, but haven't really gone into any great depth as to the reporting. I therefore can't say too much about what the final product will be like.

I can say that the style will be the same as the main SAT program in that you can go down into the detail very easily.

1. Call up the all-time rushing leaders
2. Click on Jim Brown for a season-by-season summary
3. Click on a season for a game by game summary
4. Click on a game for the game detail.

You should also be able to specify by team or by franchise for the team reports.

There will be some neat reports (for example we have a test report in for team comebacks that tells me that in 1967 Denver trailed Boston by 17 with 2.10 to go in the game and won 23-20. They actually scored 3TDs in 31 seconds)

Playoffs can be included as they are just another SAT season.

So, work is continuing and I really just need a free couple of weeks to break the back of it.

Need to finish this post as browsing the encyclopedia even at this early stage is very addictive!"

And more:

"Let's say you played the entire 1960s AFL. Open the encyclopedia and it asks you which seasons you want to include. Select those 10 seasons. It'll create a new encylcopedia. (You can have different encyclopedias for different purposes or leagues.) The creation can take a while because a lot is being done.

From there you can get team or individual totals across those seasons. (We've actually tested it at times using all 60+ seasons.) Those stats can be sorted however you want. You can select lower limits for inclusion for any stat (only QBs over 500 pass attempts). In fact it's probably recommended that you do that. You can also get listings of all the top games (team or individual for any stat, 400 yards passing, top KR average etc. He even included a section for biggest come backs.

Click on a player or team and you can then look at those stats for each season. You can further break things down game by game if you want. Individual player screens will also have all-pro and all-conference listings and game MVP listings. You can look at W-L records for each team. If you also ran playoff seasons you can track each team's playoff record. Player pictures are used on various screens as well.

Oh yes, you can filter all the stats by any given team. For example you could filter to just look at all the Oakland Raider's stats. Different minimums can be set when looking at one team as opposed to looking at all teams.

I'm probably missing a few things as well. Bottom line is you can browse around for a long time."

[Pumpy Tudors]

Is it possible for users to easily create teams/seasons, or is that task pretty much left to the game developer(s)?

[Klinglerware]

Is it possible for users to easily create teams/seasons, or is that task pretty much left to the game developer(s)?

I haven't played it in awhile, but for college there was a team creator that generated ratings by combing through NCAA and team web pages for the relevant statistics...

[cubboyroy1826]

Okay you are starting to pique my interest. Does anyone have a link to some info on the team creator? Thistakes me back to my Lance Haffner 3 in 1 football days on the Commodore 64 or Amiga cant remember which one.

[Icy]

So without career mode, what are those games about? playing the games & playcalling with a team for a full season but without roster management etc?

[PadresFan104]

So without career mode, what are those games about? playing the games & playcalling with a team for a full season but without roster management etc?

Yep, it's a classic "replay" game. No career mode. However, it also allows for a fantasy draft, or creating leagues or tourney's with teams from different era's.

[Pumpy Tudors]

If I could create teams, I would consider buying both games. If I'd have to rely on the developers, though, well, I'm not so sure.

[Klinglerware]

Okay you are starting to pique my interest. Does anyone have a link to some info on the team creator? Thistakes me back to my Lance Haffner 3 in 1 football days on the Commodore 64 or Amiga cant remember which one.

Here's the description of it from their website:

SAT College Ratings Suite (0.7 MB)

The ratings suite contains the official ratings program, an optional ratings spreadsheet, and full instructions to allow you to rate your own teams for the program.

I'm surprised how little documentation is on their website these days. Anyway, this ratings program is for the old version, so I don't know if it will work for the new version. Even if it didn't, I would expect that they would release an update...

[JonInMiddleGA]

... and the delphi forums wouldn't be my choice for my products official forum.

A little background on that might help it make more sense.

SAT is essentially an evolved PC translation of a dice-and-chart/tabletop game known as FAT (First-and-Ten) designed by Wayne Poniewaz. And that games core was, I believe, centered around a couple of Delphi forums. One of those forums (http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletopsports/start) is pretty much to the tabletop sports niche what FOFC has becomes for sports text sims - a sort of gathering place for people with both an interest & no shortage of knowledge, both players and designers.

That seems certain to have influenced where Roogames put their (well, really, "his" since Richard Hanna is Roogames) support & info forum. The fact that the entire Roogames product line consists of computer translations of tabletop games likely influenced that choice as well. Most of their other games are connected in some way to Lambourne Games, a UK-based tabletop company that does some very nice work & also has their support forum based on Delphi.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm surprised how little documentation is on their website these days.

Just guessing here, but I imagine at least a couple of things has led to that.

First, Richard has moved around at least a couple of times in the past few years. I've never been able to keep up with where exactly, but I know he's been somewhere in Eastern Europe through at least part of the development of SAT although I think he may be back down under at the moment. On & off through that (including very recently according to a comment I saw on their forum this week) he's been doing everything with the designer on dial-up. The designer himself is not always thoroughly up to date on his documentation either with his available products (all of the tabletop & "helper" games are free btw, and the basketball game, Above The Rim (ATR), is excellent IMO). Combine those things and I imagine that keeping the documentation completely current is challenging to say the least.

[FBPro]

I've had the game for about 2 years and it is a for sure buy just based on lifetime updates to the game and future seasons.

[cubboyroy1826]

Does this Encyclopedia keep cumulative stats for individual players. For example does it keep career leaders stats? Also are their injuries in the games or no?

[cubboyroy1826]

By the way is this encyclopedia an additional purchase or is it a free add on?

[Galaril]

First from what I understand it will keep cumulative stats and it is not free since I guess it was ton of work to put together.As far as I can tell there aren't new injuries in the game except the ones that historically occurred. I believe this is usual with historical replays like APBA OR STRAT-O-MATIC.

[cubboyroy1826]

So without the Encyclopedia then you would have to manually track the career stats? Do you have a link to any additional info on the Encyclopedia?

[Klinglerware]

Just guessing here, but I imagine at least a couple of things has led to that.

First, Richard has moved around at least a couple of times in the past few years. I've never been able to keep up with where exactly, but I know he's been somewhere in Eastern Europe through at least part of the development of SAT although I think he may be back down under at the moment. On & off through that (including very recently according to a comment I saw on their forum this week) he's been doing everything with the designer on dial-up. The designer himself is not always thoroughly up to date on his documentation either with his available products (all of the tabletop & "helper" games are free btw, and the basketball game, Above The Rim (ATR), is excellent IMO). Combine those things and I imagine that keeping the documentation completely current is challenging to say the least.

That makes sense.

BTW, since I already have the college game, does this mean that this is a free update for me? It's not clear...

[JonInMiddleGA]

That makes sense.BTW, since I already have the college game, does this mean that this is a free update for me? It's not clear...

To be honest, I'm not completely clear on that either but I think it is. Best I've been able to understand it so far is that it's a single update file that will recognize registered versions of pro, college, or both.

[Galaril]

So without the Encyclopedia then you would have to manually track the career stats? Do you have a link to any additional info on the Encyclopedia?

I don't have the link but I posted all of that info directly from the posts by the developer and that is all he has posted on it. The guy is n't too organized as far as the marketing of his game to say the least. If you feel the urge you can search over on the delphi forum for more info but that was it as a of few days ago.

[Galaril]

Does anyone know if the College version old or this new update has bowl games in it already setup at the end of the regular seaosn in the college version?