The Official Survivor: China discussion thread (spoilers possible)

[saldana]

usually i am amped for the new season to start, which is this thursday, (so i thought it would be time to start this show's thread)...so i watched a preview special on the TV Guide channel yesterday and am so annoyed now that I dont know if am gonna watch this edition.



[putting this in spoiler tags just in case people want to be surprised on thursday]








how in the blue hell did ashley massaro get on the show??!!???!! i have seen people complaining that the producers are tailoring the cast to try and generate viewers or encourage situations, but this is just plain freaking stupid

[Flasch186]

um, cuz she's damn hot! This picture has her in bikini's and if that is not ok, a mod can go ahead and delete it....no problem, but dont click on the spoiler tag if you are offended and it's probably NSFW.

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/ashleymassaro/ashley_massaro_1.jpg

[RedKingGold]

This show's still on?

[Lathum]

never heard of her

[saldana]

um, cuz she's damn hot! This picture has her in bikini's and if that is not ok, a mod can go ahead and delete it....no problem, but dont click on the spoiler tag if you are offended and it's probably NSFW.


not denying her hotness...i just think its stupid that someone with that much of a public persona is on the show

and how much more public do you want than naked in playboy

[Joe]

then don't watch

[molson]

not denying her hotness...i just think its stupid that someone with that much of a public persona is on the show

and how much more public do you want than naked in playboy

She's like a H-list celebrity, if there is such a thing.

Probably no more famous than Gary Hogeboom.

[Flasch186]

'cept hotter

[Jas_lov]

I guess I can understand the WWE Wrestler Ashley because she has big boobs and she's somewhat athletic. What I'm trying to figure out is how Jean Robert-Belande got on the show. He's a professional poker player for those who don't know. Why the hell is he on the show?

[Maple Leafs]

I do this every season, so let's get it out of the way now: using a thread title that welcomes spoilers is pretty pointless since 90% of the people who watch the show want to avoid them at all costs. Seems like you can either have a thread for discussing the show with everyone who watches it, or one where spoilers are possilbe, but not both.

[bulletsponge]

she isnt even that hot imo. sure shes easy on the eyes, but not crotch adjusting hot

[bulletsponge]

I guess I can understand the WWE Wrestler Ashley because she has big boobs and she's somewhat athletic. What I'm trying to figure out is how Jean Robert-Belande got on the show. He's a professional poker player for those who don't know. Why the hell is he on the show?

i would tell you how, but i dont know how to post a spoiler tab

[Jas_lov]

i would tell you how, but i dont know how to post a spoiler tab

All you do is put spoiler in brackets before your text and you put /spoiler in brackets after your text. It's just like if you wanted to bold or quote something except you use the word spoiler.

[Galaril]

Ok, Survivor was interesting. I was surprised at who was voted out. I would go further but I can't figure out how to the spoiler thing the post so I will leave it at that. But I definitely have a few favorites and a couple of contestants that I dislike already.

[Flasch186]

Ok, Survivor was interesting. I was surprised at who was voted out. I would go further but I can't figure out how to the spoiler thing the post so I will leave it at that. But I definitely have a few favorites and a couple of contestants that I dislike already.

type "[spoiler " and close the words spoiler with the other bracket "]" and dont use quotes. then when youre done typing the spoiler type "[/spoiler " and close that with a "]"

[mauchow]

I didn't like the New York woman and I seem to be pulling for James the Gravedigger already.

OH and they are on the same team, so I'm torn already. :)

[Raiders Army]

I didn't like the New York woman and I seem to be pulling for James the Gravedigger already.

OH and they are on the same team, so I'm torn already. :)

ditto

Also, Ashley is not that hot. This season should be called Survivor: Boobs

[TazFTW]

I didn't like the New York woman and I seem to be pulling for James the Gravedigger already.

OH and they are on the same team, so I'm torn already. :)

Agreed, James is a beast. Not sure who to root for on the other tribe. I guess Dave by default.

[wade moore]

FUCK.

I HATE how survivor changes it's Tivo name every year. Looks like I missed the first episode.

Goddamnit.

[EagleFan]

Talk about dissapointed. I thought this Ashley person was supposed to be hot? She looks butt ugly with fake boobs, add annoying and you have a whole trifecta of reasons to holpe she makes an early exit.

[Toddzilla]

Casting Ashley from the WWE doesn't seem to be a publicity stunt on the part of the WWE anyway, since she was trying very hard to keep anyone in the WWE from knowing when she asked for an extended leave earlier in the year. However, as always happens, she let it slip to a close friend and the word got out fast. She subsequently got fired from the WWE IIRC.

[Galaril]

type "[spoiler " and close the words spoiler with the other bracket "]" and dont use quotes. then when youre done typing the spoiler type "[/spoiler " and close that with a "]"

Thanks.

[Galaril]

Agreed, James is a beast. Not sure who to root for on the other tribe. I guess Dave by default.

Talk about dissapointed. I thought this Ashley person was supposed to be hot? She looks butt ugly with fake boobs, add annoying and you have a whole trifecta of reasons to holpe she makes an early exit.

I am also pulling for James and seem him going in with the Christian radio show host. BTW even though I am not a religious person that much I agreed that the Buddhist ceremony was worship like. And having dealt with Buddhist in Korea for years I can say for sure that the image of the nice quiet and benevolent monk isa crock of a shit. They can and usually are some of the biggest assessholes any ways...........

The wrestler chick should have been voted out and yeah she is really puck rock white trashish ugly. I can't really understand why Chicken got voted out. The producer did a poor job of showing us why he might be voted out. It seems voting him out just displays that tribes complete lack of planning. I guess they din't care for his telling them building there "home" on a flood plain was a bad idea.

[Raiders Army]

I am also pulling for James and seem him going in with the Christian radio show host. BTW even though I am not a religious person that much I agreed that the Buddhist ceremony was worship like.
I told my wife she should've sucked it up and just faked it, like 90% of Americans do when they go to Church.

[Kodos]

Yep. Churchy girl and wrestler girl need to go.

[Toddzilla]

I can't really understand why Chicken got voted out. The producer did a poor job of showing us why he might be voted out.They did a great job IMO. At first the guy would shit all over other people's ideas - not in a constructive way, very condescending - and like a baby he decided to clam up when he didn't the the approval the wanted. The "doesn't matter to me, whatever you want to do" schtick was childish, and it was great when P.G. called him out on it. His attempt to talk the young dude into voting Ashley off showed how whiny and bitter he was. I knew he was a goner as soon as they started focusing on his bad attitude.

[Toddzilla]

Dola

FWIW, the editors do a very deliberate job of framing the contestants that are going to be among the final few. Someone on another site (TV w/o pity?) analyzed the first episodes for several past seasons and discovered that the players that last the longest in the game are portrayed in the first episode or two as very even-handed, insightful, intelligent, and savvy. On the other hand, contestants that get air time being arrogant, bitchy, whiny, and complainers are voted out early.

Using this data, they've predicted the winner of the last 3 Survivors based on the first episode only, and usually get all of the top 2 or 3.

[MikeVic]

I didn't watch the show, but caught the "greeting" as I was leaving the house. I'm not super religious, but I have my Catholic faith. I wouldn't be able to go through that greeting ceremony either. Doesn't matter what they said, it still looked like they were bowing down in front of Buddha.

[Kodos]

If God is all knowing, he knows you aren't worshipping Buddha. You can even say it in your head as you're doing it.

[MikeVic]

If God is all knowing, he knows you aren't worshipping Buddha. You can even say it in your head as you're doing it.

That's stupid. So I can be killing someone, as long as in my head I believe I'm not and tell myself I'm not... it's ok?

[Maple Leafs]

FWIW, the editors do a very deliberate job of framing the contestants that are going to be among the final few. Someone on another site (TV w/o pity?) analyzed the first episodes for several past seasons and discovered that the players that last the longest in the game are portrayed in the first episode or two as very even-handed, insightful, intelligent, and savvy. On the other hand, contestants that get air time being arrogant, bitchy, whiny, and complainers are voted out early.

Yes, there's been a definite pattern the past few years on how the first episode is edited.

In fact, last year my wife and I picked Earl as the winner after the first episode, because his edit was almost exactly like Yul's. It was so close that you assumed it has to be a red herring, but it wasn't. It was an obvious giveaway if you knew what to look for.

From a first viewing of last night's show, you can already eliminate about half the players as potential winners, but there's no obvious winner that I could see.

[Kodos]

That's stupid. So I can be killing someone, as long as in my head I believe I'm not and tell myself I'm not... it's ok?

But God KNOWS you are not trying to worship the Buddha. He KNOWS you are just going through the motions of kneeling in front of some stupid statue to please the show's producers and not upset tribe mates. If he's going to not let you in heaven for that, that's just sad.

Comparing it to killing somebody but saying you don't mean it is beyond stupid. One is an empty gesture that means nothing, while in the other you're actually killing someone.

[MikeVic]

But God KNOWS you are not trying to worship the Buddha. He KNOWS you are just going through the motions of kneeling in front of some stupid statue to please the show's producers and not upset tribe mates. If he's going to not let you in heaven for that, that's just sad.

Comparing it to killing somebody but saying you don't mean it is beyond stupid. One is an empty gesture that means nothing, while in the other you're actually killing someone.

Kneeling/bowing before another God, whether you mean it or not, does mean something. I think. I'm not up to snuff with exact rules and stuff, but I know I personally would've felt uncomfortable and not done it too.

[Alan T]

Yep. Churchy girl and wrestler girl need to go.

The gravedigger was my favorite also, but I agree that the wrestler girl should go.. I didn't mind the churchy girl as much, even with her issue regarding the greeting. From what they gave us on the show, it seemed that other than the greeting ceremony, she didn't really push much or be annoying to others. I bet we have something happen between her and that airline steward in the way of a blow up in future episodes though.

[Kodos]

I thought it was funny when the poker guy said he didn't believe that he was a flight attendant. To me, he quite obviously seemed just like a flight attendant.

[Toddzilla]

Casting Ashley from the WWE doesn't seem to be a publicity stunt on the part of the WWE anyway, since she was trying very hard to keep anyone in the WWE from knowing when she asked for an extended leave earlier in the year. However, as always happens, she let it slip to a close friend and the word got out fast. She subsequently got fired from the WWE IIRC.correction - Ashley is still employed by the WWE.

[BrianD]

Kneeling/bowing before another God, whether you mean it or not, does mean something. I think. I'm not up to snuff with exact rules and stuff, but I know I personally would've felt uncomfortable and not done it too.

I can see this being something that depends on your level of religiousness. If you aren't terribly religious, faking it in front of another idol won't seem so bad. If you are very religious, even faking it is probably a big deal. I would like to think that a person could continue to pray while going through the motions, but then I am not terribly religious.

[Maple Leafs]

Take the deep religious discussions to PM, please.

[MikeVic]

Take the deep religious discussions to PM, please.

I'm done. :) I just happened to see this yesterday and wanted to comment that I would've done the same thing.

[BrianD]

I was done too. I think we've said about all that can be said on the topic.

So any bets on how soon before Courtney gets booted? I'm assuming that she is the first off when her tribe has to vote.

[Karlifornia]

They did a great job IMO. At first the guy would shit all over other people's ideas - not in a constructive way, very condescending - and like a baby he decided to clam up when he didn't the the approval the wanted. The "doesn't matter to me, whatever you want to do" schtick was childish, and it was great when P.G. called him out on it. His attempt to talk the young dude into voting Ashley off showed how whiny and bitter he was. I knew he was a goner as soon as they started focusing on his bad attitude.

Amen.

[Kodos]

Amen.

Take it to PMs!!!!! :mad:




:D

[saldana]

my first vote would have been for the PG girl without question...yeah ashley was a bit of a wuss with the whole throwing up bit, but the crying after losing the challenge is weak. and then to start barking out orders after the tears were wiped away?! see-ya.

my favorite line of the entire thing was the skinny snot-rag from new york commenting that she wasnt wearing a bra....look around sweetheart....you have less than A-cups....it doesnt matter if you werent wearing a shirt...no one would have noticed.

my wife on the other hand enjoyed the E/F cup woman who did the challenge in her bra and underwear because she only wore a dress to the departure....there are going to be a lot of blur shots while she is in the game.

[BrianD]

my first vote would have been for the PG girl without question...yeah ashley was a bit of a wuss with the whole throwing up bit, but the crying after losing the challenge is weak. and then to start barking out orders after the tears were wiped away?! see-ya.

my favorite line of the entire thing was the skinny snot-rag from new york commenting that she wasnt wearing a bra....look around sweetheart....you have less than A-cups....it doesnt matter if you werent wearing a shirt...no one would have noticed.

my wife on the other hand enjoyed the E/F cup woman who did the challenge in her bra and underwear because she only wore a dress to the departure....there are going to be a lot of blur shots while she is in the game.

The New Yorker (Courtney) wasn't the one that made the comment. Jaime is the one that made the comment. The time she made the comment was about the only time you saw her. She at least had something interesting upstairs.

[Maple Leafs]

Casting Ashley from the WWE doesn't seem to be a publicity stunt on the part of the WWE anyway, since she was trying very hard to keep anyone in the WWE from knowing when she asked for an extended leave earlier in the year. However, as always happens, she let it slip to a close friend and the word got out fast. She subsequently got fired from the WWE IIRC.
This is pretty much the exact opposite of the story I've seen.

[saldana]

Agreed, James is a beast. Not sure who to root for on the other tribe. I guess Dave by default.

on the preview show i was talking about in post 1, Jeff is talking about james and says something to the effect that he is easily the strongest and post powerful player they have ever had, and that James claims not to work out at all...that he got that way from manually digging graves since he was 13 years old.

FUCK.

I HATE how survivor changes it's Tivo name every year. Looks like I missed the first episode.

Goddamnit.

they have the full episode available at http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor15/

The New Yorker (Courtney) wasn't the one that made the comment. Jaime is the one that made the comment. The time she made the comment was about the only time you saw her. She at least had something interesting upstairs.


i went back and checked, and you are correct sir....i didnt actually realize there were two blondes, because like you said, i dont think jamie was ever on screen again.

[BrianD]

on the preview show i was talking about in post 1, Jeff is talking about james and says something to the effect that he is easily the strongest and post powerful player they have ever had, and that James claims not to work out at all...that he got that way from manually digging graves since he was 13 years old.

I would buy this. That guy was huge, but I would imagine digging graves is hard work. I hope we see more of him. They seemed to be setting him up as a gentle giant.

i went back and checked, and you are correct sir....i didnt actually realize there were two blondes, because like you said, i dont think jamie was ever on screen again.

Jaime was a much better person to be stuck without a bra. I can only think that Courtney was such a bitch because she hadn't eaten in the last few weeks. I really wish women wouldn't allow themselves to become so scary thin and I really wish Hollywood and fashion magazines would stop glamorizing that.

Courtney claimed to be a waitress. Anybody believe this is really her chosen profession? She looked like someone that could be trying to break into modeling or acting...

[Desmond]

This is pretty much the exact opposite of the story I've seen.

Uhh, yeah, it's totaly false. WWE was in fact, approached by Survivor to send someone and they chose Ashley. I'm not sure why, but that's how it went.

[Galaril]

I can only think that Courtney was such a bitch because she hadn't eaten in the last few weeks. I really wish women wouldn't allow themselves to become so scary thin and I really wish Hollywood and fashion magazines would stop glamorizing that.

Courtney claimed to be a waitress. Anybody believe this is really her chosen profession? She looked like someone that could be trying to break into modeling or acting...


Or crack-whore!

[thealmighty]

Is James from a small town or something? Around here, they dig graves with a backhoe, at least thefew I have seen.

[Raiders Army]

Is James from a small town or something? Around here, they dig graves with a backhoe, at least thefew I have seen.

All this talk of god and see who shows up? :D

Anyhow yeah, I'm surprised he manually digs graves. I thought even small towns used a backhoe. The cemetery I worked in used the backhoe and shovels for small parts of it.

[EagleFan]

All this talk of god and see who shows up? :D

Anyhow yeah, I'm surprised he manually digs graves. I thought even small towns used a backhoe. The cemetery I worked in used the backhoe and shovels for small parts of it.

Grave digger for the mafia?

[Thomkal]

Dola

FWIW, the editors do a very deliberate job of framing the contestants that are going to be among the final few. Someone on another site (TV w/o pity?) analyzed the first episodes for several past seasons and discovered that the players that last the longest in the game are portrayed in the first episode or two as very even-handed, insightful, intelligent, and savvy. On the other hand, contestants that get air time being arrogant, bitchy, whiny, and complainers are voted out early.

Using this data, they've predicted the winner of the last 3 Survivors based on the first episode only, and usually get all of the top 2 or 3.

I pretty much knew Chicken was going based on how much of his comments they showed during the game. It really is becoming more and more predictable who's going in these games based on how much coverage they give people during an episode. I wasn't surprised he was voted out-he was pretty "crotchety" after his ideas for the shelter were rejected. If he had just smiled and pitched in when the Asian woman whose name I can't spell asked him for advice he likely would still be there.

So shall we predict who will win this season? Should be fun to see how it turns out the end. I have four that I really like right now to win, but I think I'm going to go with Miss Montana (and Miss Earth), Amanda.

[Maple Leafs]

One of those odd things that occurred to me... virtually every year, there's at least one episode where the remaining players take part in some sort of ceremony from the local culture. I realized that Jeff has probably had to give the same "this is not a worship ceremony, we respect your beliefs" disclaimer every time, and this is just the first time they've had to show it because it became relevant to the game.

[Lathum]

I just finished the first episode.

I agree James is a beast. The christian woman is going to get annoying and I commented to the Mrs. how there will probably be a blow up between her and the gay guy.

Jean-Robert should be fun, he is very colorfull at the tables and I hope he lasts a long time.

I am not surprised Chicken got voted out but it always amazes me how someone like PG plays like that. Has she never even seen an episode of survivor.

I also love the mulleted lunch lady.

[saldana]

I also love the mulleted lunch lady.

mrs saldana is not surprised by this statement at all.

[Mota]

I agree James is a beast. The christian woman is going to get annoying and I commented to the Mrs. how there will probably be a blow up between her and the gay guy.

The fact that they introduced him as a gay mormon flight attendant probably also tips this one off, no coincidence that the producers put them in the same group, I'm sure.

[Lathum]

The fact that they introduced him as a gay mormon flight attendant probably also tips this one off, no coincidence that the producers put them in the same group, I'm sure.

none what so ever

[TazFTW]

Wow, I didn't think the vote would be that one-sided.

[saldana]

none what so ever

interesting though that she chose him as the person to tell about the clue

i was also very surprised that the vote was so lopsided...but what the hell was with the black woman bawling about it when she helped vote her off.

[Sublime 2]

I know it gets said every year, but James has the chance to be the all-time challenge king.

[Maple Leafs]

My wife and I joked that, when asked who they were sitting out before the wrestling challenge, that tribe should have said "James! No, just kidding, it's the little girly guy." Just to see the reaction.

[dervack]

The fact that they introduced him as a gay mormon flight attendant probably also tips this one off, no coincidence that the producers put them in the same group, I'm sure.
Well, there goes that idea.

[korme]

Someone needs to feed that poor New Yorker Courtney

[Thomkal]

Courtney might be the worst ever Survivor contestant. I can't believe they didn't vote her out after that performance in the immunity competition

[ArlingtonColt]

The guys for some reason wanted to keep her around as a "snuggle" partner (my own personal opinion)... If she was smart she would try to start a showmance with Jean-Robert... of course stricly for strategic purposes.

[FrogMan]

The guys for some reason wanted to keep her around as a "snuggle" partner (my own personal opinion)... If she was smart she would try to start a showmance with Jean-Robert... of course stricly for strategic purposes.

thing is, there's nothing to snuggle with!!!! More chances of getting bruised by bumping into some bones or something...

FM

[gstelmack]

I can't believe that after all the whining the four girls didn't turn to the guys and go "we're voting Jean-Robert out. You're either with us or against us". Sigh.

[Kodos]

Yep. Churchy girl and wrestler girl need to go.


Woot!

[Maple Leafs]

Courtney's challenge performance reminded me of Mr. Burns -- "I'm giving you the thrashing of your life!"

[Kodos]

Courtney's challenge performance reminded me of Mr. Burns -- "I'm giving you the thrashing of your life!"


It was truly pathetic. Watch, she probably wins the million.

[LloydLungs]

Courtney might be the worst ever Survivor contestant. I can't believe they didn't vote her out after that performance in the immunity competition

Oh, how quickly we forget Guatemala Jamie and Thailand Ghandia....

Anyway, what can I say? I like Courtney. She's a colossal pain in the ass but I'd get along with her.

[ArlingtonColt]

She (Courtney) is worthless around camp and in challenges... She would be my first target because she does NOTHING for you whatsoever. Well atleast she doesn't eat much of the rice.... hmm maybe she does have some reason to stay then... :P

[gstelmack]

To be fair, every challenge has been VERY physical. We'll see how she does when a more puzzle-oriented challenge comes along.

[Kodos]

She should be good in the inevitable balance-based challenge.

[Maple Leafs]

She should be good in the inevitable balance-based challenge.
Unless there's a slight breeze, in which case she'll wind up in a tree.

[hhiipp]

What annoyed me is the skinny rail, we'll call her Courtney, after the immunity challenge she held her hands straight and out in front of her like she displaying her wounds. She is worthless in every meaning of the word but to keep her around was probably the wise thing to do. Also did anyone see the bandaids on her fingers? I thought these people were supposed to be "roughing it".

[Easy Mac]

She should be good in the inevitable balance-based challenge.

I think she'll do best in the "crush everything into a powder, cut it into a line and snort it" challenge.

Also, I went to college with Erik and yes, pretty much every guy looks like him.

[Galaril]

Firstoff- Jaime is a total hottie and pretty smart player (pardon the pun).
Also, what happened to selecting former amateur triathletes and grandmas that ran the Kilamanjaro Marathon as contestants? The standards for selecting people to participate has dropped off quite a bit don't ya think? In factv I think that is an understatement this season. Outside of James and maybe Amanda or Aaron who in this group is in shape even remotely? Christ we had a 77 year old ex-navy seal on few seasons ago, that would've killed all 16 of the contestants, well...... except for James, while they slept.

[TazFTW]

What was up with the 'Previously on Survivor'? Sharea(sp?) led that team to victory twice? :confused:

Another episode, another James The Barbarian sighting.

[Lathum]

I dunno

I think voting Dave out was stupid on so many levels. For one he helped more then everyone else combined at camp. He also spent time at the other camp which means he had information.

I thought Sherea was a worthless piece of crap and that camp is really gonna suffer.

[Maple Leafs]

Obviously the Sherea stuff in the promo was to set up the storyline of the episode (i.e. whether it was OK to slack off at camp if it let you do better at challenges). I guess they didn't have much else to work with this time, so they dressed it up a bit for us.

[Alan T]

Its tough to tell sometimes what is actually going on as it depends on what their producers actually choose to show us. They basically made Dave out to be over the top annoying and made Sherea out to be the laziest person in the world. I have a hard time believing that Sherea would have said that she was helping out more around camp if she had actually just done what the cameras showed us (Not getting up once and sleeping the entire time).. so I have to guess there was at least some effort involved behind the scenes.. otherwise who was she lying to try to deceive?

The vote basically just told me that everyone there found Dave so annoying and figured no matter if they voted off Sherea or not, he would just start on someone else. I have to guess that Sherea is next out for that tribe, as the other four seem to be much closer right now. I'm also not sure what good saving yourself for the challenges does when you keep losing them all. :)

[saldana]

Obviously the Sherea stuff in the promo was to set up the storyline of the episode (i.e. whether it was OK to slack off at camp if it let you do better at challenges). I guess they didn't have much else to work with this time, so they dressed it up a bit for us.

obviously, they spent a ton of time on the CGI for the immunity challenge...the anime of the bolo flying through the air was the worst thing i have eve seen.

[Kodos]

obviously, they spent a ton of time on the CGI for the immunity challenge...the anime of the bolo flying through the air was the worst thing i have eve seen.

I agree with her.

[Lathum]

I agree with her.

+1

[saldana]

that has to be the stupidest mechanic that Survivor has ever used....i am genuinely angry with the show right now, and am contemplating not watching the rest of the season.

[LloydLungs]

that has to be the stupidest mechanic that Survivor has ever used....i am genuinely angry with the show right now, and am contemplating not watching the rest of the season.

Yep. Screw the successful tribe, screw the strong players, reward failure. Thereby encouraging people to try to fail. Ridiculous. Who thought this up?

The girls were just playing the system, so more power to em, though they might have avoided laughing DURING the challenge.

[Racer]

that has to be the stupidest mechanic that Survivor has ever used....i am genuinely angry with the show right now, and am contemplating not watching the rest of the season.

Agreed. If they were going to switch tribes like that, they should have given the four players who switched tribes individual immunity at tribal council for a round. The player who got voted out tonight got screwed.

[Toddzilla]

that has to be the stupidest mechanic that Survivor has ever used....i am genuinely angry with the show right now, and am contemplating not watching the rest of the season.
Yep. Screw the successful tribe, screw the strong players, reward failure. Thereby encouraging people to try to fail. Ridiculous. Who thought this up?
The girls were just playing the system, so more power to em, though they might have avoided laughing DURING the challenge.Two things - shame on you for not noticing ;)

(1) Throwing the immunity challenge has NEVER worked. Never as in never ever. Tribes talk about it every year, some are foolish enough to try, and it backfires every single time.

(2) Don't you think the producers know what's going on? They've been one step ahead of the contestants every single season. Assumptions NEVER work out in this game, and you could tell by Jeff's reaction at T.C. that he knows this is gonna sink that tribe tonight.

[LloydLungs]

(1) Throwing the immunity challenge has NEVER worked. Never as in never ever. Tribes talk about it every year, some are foolish enough to try, and it backfires every single time.

True, kind of. I mean, Ozzy did throw a challenge in his season and eventually came within one vote of winning the game -- although I don't recall the challenge throw having anything to do with that. It certainly didn't hurt him, though.

Nevertheless, it's true, this usually doesn't work. And it may not work here. However, on paper, it is the correct strategic play for those girls. I don't like the producers arranging the game so that the correct strategic play for many of the players is to try to lose. Essentially, we just spent the first four weeks of the season watching a few strong players win their way into oblivion.

[saldana]

Agreed. If they were going to switch tribes like that, they should have given the four players who switched tribes individual immunity at tribal council for a round. The player who got voted out tonight got screwed.

that is exactly what i said to my wife...it would have been great if they didnt tell them about it until after the challenge too...instead we got the crap they shovelled tonight.

[saldana]

True, kind of. I mean, Ozzy did throw a challenge in his season and eventually came within one vote of winning the game -- although I don't recall the challenge throw having anything to do with that. It certainly didn't hurt him, though.

Nevertheless, it's true, this usually doesn't work. And it may not work here. However, on paper, it is the correct strategic play for those girls. I don't like the producers arranging the game so that the correct strategic play for many of the players is to try to lose. Essentially, we just spent the first four weeks of the season watching a few strong players win their way into oblivion.

i am not faulting the girls...they made a solid play...i just dont like the fact that it was set up to be a good idea.

[Raiders Army]

i am not faulting the girls...they made a solid play...i just dont like the fact that it was set up to be a good idea.

The logic in me says this is right. The emotional side of my brain says screw those three. If James had been voted out tonight, I would've seriously stopped watching. Since he isn't...

Anyhow, I think at that point the producers had to have known they made a mistake. I think next week James will go back to his tribe and Frosti and Juggs will go back to theirs.

Blondie seriously aggravated me tonight. From her giggling during the challenge to her attitude afterwards. I can't wait to see them get pwned when they merge. She was acting like she was in control of the game. She was in control of the game for that tribal council, but things can change radically...like they did this episode.

[Maple Leafs]

(2) Don't you think the producers know what's going on? They've been one step ahead of the contestants every single season. Assumptions NEVER work out in this game, and you could tell by Jeff's reaction at T.C. that he knows this is gonna sink that tribe tonight.
Of course, there's no chance that the producers actually change the rules midstream to punish those types of moves and make it more dramatic. I mean, they always set the rules in advance and stick to them, they wouldn't pull twists and specific challenges out of the air just to make it more interesting.

Here's what I found interesting tonight. There was an obvious subplot with Eric, since he was out of the loop on throwing the challenge, had to bust his ass in the first part for no reason, and is a competitive male just like James and Aaron. You had to think there was at least a strong chance that he'd flip and side with the guys just on principle. Yet they never mentioned it at all, and they didn't even show Jeff asking him about it and tribal.

There's only one conclusion you can draw from that: Eric is one of the most boring players they've ever had, and the producers found that drawing an interesting subplot out of him was like getting blood from a stone and just gave up. That's really saying something -- these producers made Sherea look like she was kicking ass in challenges, but they couldn't wring one ounce of drama out of Eric. Wow.

[LloydLungs]

Here's what I found interesting tonight. There was an obvious subplot with Eric, since he was out of the loop on throwing the challenge, had to bust his ass in the first part for no reason, and is a competitive male just like James and Aaron. You had to think there was at least a strong chance that he'd flip and side with the guys just on principle. Yet they never mentioned it at all, and they didn't even show Jeff asking him about it and tribal.

I thought that it was pretty much a given that Erik wasn't going to go against his new girlfriend. Without that aspect, he would have been a fascinating swing vote. With it, there was not much drama there.

[EagleFan]

I didn't see the beginning when they switched the players up so I don;t know what was said. I was hoping that once the immunity challenge was over that Jeff was going to say that the players were now going to return to their tribe for tribal.

What was stupid of the girls was to make it so damn obvious and then brag about it. You know James is going to get that information to the other tribe at the next challenge and if there is no merge it will be the worst challenge ever with both sides trying to lose.

Justice would be a merger next and those two girls will be the next two to get voted out.

[Thomkal]

I thought it was a good play on the girls part, a risk worth taking. I think the other team would have gotten rid of Frosti or Shirea had they lost the immunity challenge. On the other hand, I thought this was a horrible idea by the producers. It really screwed Aaron and James (and would have screwed Frosti and Shirea), giving them no chance really which isn't fair.

Now it will be interesting to see if there's no merge if they throw the next challenge to get rid of James. He isn't going to be pleasant to live with otherwise and for good reason. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a merge though since they have to know James is going to be an audience favorite.

[PilotMan]

On the other hand, I thought this was a horrible idea by the producers. It really screwed Aaron and James (and would have screwed Frosti and Shirea), giving them no chance really which isn't fair.



This is exactly what I was saying last night. I didn't like it at all.

[Maple Leafs]

Aaron and James had a chance to figure out what was going to happen and stop it. They should have really emphasized to their new tribe how unpopular Jean-Robert was and how he would definitely be voted out at the first opportunity. Who cares if it was true or not, they needed to convince the others that Frosti and Sherea were safe.

They even showed what seemed like an out-of-place scene where Aaron was asked if Jean-Robert would be first one out at the merge, and he sort of hemmed and hawed and didn't give a real answer. Game, set, match, right there.

[dervack]

Something I always can't remember. How many people are usually on the Jury and is there a chance that James is going to be one if he in fact is the next person voted out?

[Racer]

Something I always can't remember. How many people are usually on the Jury and is there a chance that James is going to be one if he in fact is the next person voted out?

In seasons where Survivor had a final 2, 7 people were on on the jury. In seasons where Survivor had a final 3, 9 people were on the jury.

[Racer]

I rewatched Survivor online because part of it was preempted by storm coverage where I live and did anyone notice that in the preview for next week,

Frosty helps Amanda and Todd find and get the immunity idle? That has to be bad for PG, Jaimie, and Erik.

[Toddzilla]

I rewatched Survivor online because part of it was preempted by storm coverage where I live and did anyone notice that in the preview for next week,

Frosty helps Amanda and Todd find and get the immunity idle? That has to be bad for PG, Jaimie, and Erik.Really? I watched the preview, too and I saw them *looking*, but they didn't actually grab the idol, did they?

[Racer]

Really? I watched the preview, too and I saw them *looking*, but they didn't actually grab the idol, did they?

The preview didn't show them getting the idle so I guess I'm just assuming they find it since it showed them looking for it in the spot that the producers have led us to believe it is located.

[Maple Leafs]

Would it be possible for people to put a mini-description of what they're referring to when they use a spoiler tag? There's a big difference between "speculation about what happens next week based on the commercial" and "I just read a leak about who wins, and it's... "

[FrogMan]

Would it be possible for people to put a mini-description of what they're referring to when they use a spoiler tag? There's a big difference between "speculation about what happens next week based on the commercial" and "I just read a leak about who wins, and it's... "

I read them and it's all speculation about what's presented in the previews. No big spoiler of the leak type in there...

FM

[dervack]

In seasons where Survivor had a final 2, 7 people were on on the jury. In seasons where Survivor had a final 3, 9 people were on the jury.
So, that likely means only 2 finalists and James will not be a part of the jury. Thanks.

[Maple Leafs]

I read them and it's all speculation about what's presented in the previews. No big spoiler of the leak type in there...

Me too, they seemed like they'd be harmless. But I could see us all getting burned down the line.

[Lathum]

OK, I just watched this show and it was maybe one of the worst ever.

James and aaron got totaly fucked, no way to sugar coat it. Nothing pisses me off more then when people throw a challange and those girls attitude made me sick. I give James all the credit in the world for making his speech at the end.

That being said I think the producers will find a way to keep James on the show

[TazFTW]

He should kill them while they sleep.


"What do you do?"
"I bury people"

[Dutch]

OK, I just watched this show and it was maybe one of the worst ever.

James and aaron got totaly fucked, no way to sugar coat it. Nothing pisses me off more then when people throw a challange and those girls attitude made me sick. I give James all the credit in the world for making his speech at the end.

That being said I think the producers will find a way to keep James on the show

Yes, this was definately one of those episodes where you wished it was interactive and we could reach through the TV and punch those girls in the face.

[gstelmack]

Every season they change something up. Remember the season where they merged but stuck with team immunity and screwed the one girl who tried to jump ship? This show has shown over and over again that when players start making plays based on what they EXPECT to happen, the producers will mix it up on them. Every time. Either they'll keep shuffling tribes, or they'll screw with the merge, or they won't merge at all, or something else is coming. The end result is you find your 2 or 3 and stick with them to the end no matter what. That's the only strategy that works.

[Raiders Army]

Every season they change something up. Remember the season where they merged but stuck with team immunity and screwed the one girl who tried to jump ship? This show has shown over and over again that when players start making plays based on what they EXPECT to happen, the producers will mix it up on them. Every time. Either they'll keep shuffling tribes, or they'll screw with the merge, or they won't merge at all, or something else is coming. The end result is you find your 2 or 3 and stick with them to the end no matter what. That's the only strategy that works.

Very true.

[Toddzilla]

Every season they change something up. Remember the season where they merged but stuck with team immunity and screwed the one girl who tried to jump ship? This show has shown over and over again that when players start making plays based on what they EXPECT to happen, the producers will mix it up on them. Every time. Either they'll keep shuffling tribes, or they'll screw with the merge, or they won't merge at all, or something else is coming. The end result is you find your 2 or 3 and stick with them to the end no matter what. That's the only strategy that works.Exactamundo - he gets it.

[TazFTW]

w00t! James lives!

Todd just moved up to second on my favorites list. Shame that neither of the throwing two was booted but Sharea going is a nice consolation.

[rkmsuf]

was that not the dumbest strategy ever to give the guy the immunity thingy?

[FrogMan]

was that not the dumbest strategy ever to give the guy the immunity thingy?

especially since they had to know there was one at the other camp. Simply had to tell James to go take it off the wooden thingie and be done with it, no? James even made a comment that he would come and get the other one at his camp and he would have both in his possession...

Anyway, very happy that James is still in the game but poor him, he had it rough in that dang eating challenge. Stupid lunch lady made him chew on some, spit them back, chew on them again before he simply said screw it, I'll eat them...

Following the "bitch" talk we had in the Kid Nation thread, I think Courney would fit my definition of bitch. Man what a pain in the ass... :D

FM

[rkmsuf]

She looks a tad "difficult".


If I'm James why would I agree to throw the challenge in the first place. Keep the idol, get the other one and start exerting some influence instead of letting the wonder twins run things. For some reason those two annoy me.

I'm rooting for JR. Viva la poker jerkhead.

[Lathum]

am I the only one who thinks they are acting way out of line towards John Robert?

[FrogMan]

am I the only one who thinks they are acting way out of line towards John Robert?

well, he is obnoxious and he has himself stated that his "strategy" was to be lazy at first and then start to work more and more so that people would think he is improving. I guess he's not making his point subtly enough...

FM

[gstelmack]

am I the only one who thinks they are acting way out of line towards John Robert?

You missed the episode where he and James (mostly him to James) were talking about how great it would be to come out of Survivor "with a million dollars and a piece of a..." with Courtney in earshot. And where he was trying to cuddle with all the girls so he could "stay warm" despite their refusals.

Of course, then you've got Courtney, etc fawning over James when he drops trou to get a shower, thus making her a complete hypocrite...

[Toddzilla]

Courtney is the single most annoying and repulsive contestant on Survivor ever. I'd sooner snuggle up with Johnny Fairplay.

[rkmsuf]

she needs to lose weight

[Lathum]

Courtney is the single most annoying and repulsive contestant on Survivor ever. I'd sooner snuggle up with Johnny Fairplay.

QFT

[Raiders Army]

was that not the dumbest strategy ever to give the guy the immunity thingy?

Nope. You have numbers on your tribe to vote off Sherea or Frosti. James doesn't and there's no guarantee he'd get the idol in time. Also, there's the element of surprise. There's little chance he would be able to get the idol without the three stooges finding out. If he already has one, then he can pop it on them at tribal council.

On another note, Jean-Robert is sitting pretty right now. He's angling for the "best guy to take to the finals". I doubt they vote him off at this point. Also, why the hell would you vote him out and leave Sherea (or Courtney) there? He and Eric are the only ones that can challenge James physically, and you'll need to off James before the finals.

[rkmsuf]

Well good move then. Now James and one other person on the other team will have immunity idols when they merge. Sounds like a great strategy to me.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'd think that Flight Attendant boy would've been smart enough to lay claim to at least one of the immunity idols. Plus, he had no way of knowing what will happen in the future. He made a plan, it didn't work. Better than possibly losing James and going to the merge 5 on 5.

[wade moore]

So I'm finally playing catchup on the thread because I was behind on the show..

How has no one mentioned that they MAGICALLY had brand new clothes a couple of episodes ago?!

[wade moore]

Dola: And I could watch this show until the end of time if it was 60 minutes of Amanda walking away from the camera. Yum.

[Raiders Army]

So I'm finally playing catchup on the thread because I was behind on the show..

How has no one mentioned that they MAGICALLY had brand new clothes a couple of episodes ago?!

I don't think they were brand new clothes. I think those were their bathing suits for the swimming challenge.

[BrianD]

Is anybody curious what happened to Sherea behind the scenes? She was an unbelievable bitch the last few episodes especially to JR and I don't think we ever saw what provoked her. Did they not show her being miserable all the time, or did something happen to set her off?

[Glengoyne]

I missed a couple of episodes, and didn't catch James' speech.

Sounds like I missed something, anybody sum it up for me?

[Glengoyne]

Oh and I was glad to see Sherea go. She was pretty darned annoying, almost as bad as Courtney.

[Raiders Army]

Is anybody curious what happened to Sherea behind the scenes? She was an unbelievable bitch the last few episodes especially to JR and I don't think we ever saw what provoked her. Did they not show her being miserable all the time, or did something happen to set her off?

You need to read her diary.

[wade moore]

I don't think they were brand new clothes. I think those were their bathing suits for the swimming challenge.
They're wearing them around camp and in non-swimming challenges now.. they had previous water/wet challenges where they had to wear their underwear.

They magically appeared.

[Galaril]

Dola: And I could watch this show until the end of time if it was 60 minutes of Todd walking away from the camera. Yum.

Fixed that for ya:p

[Raiders Army]

They're wearing them around camp and in non-swimming challenges now.. they had previous water/wet challenges where they had to wear their underwear.

They magically appeared.

I'm sure Gandalf didn't appear and wave his wand. ;) Maybe Dumbledore though, since Todd might have called upon him.

Seriously, there are some screenies of Jaime on Survivor Sucks that show how....bushy....she is. She looks like she's got a nut down there. Anyhow, I'd think the bathing suit would force it in better than her undies.

[Swaggs]

Do we know for certain that Todd gave James the idol from his camp?

I think they kind of left it open-ended, by making it seem like they believed that the idol at the other camp was in the same location and that James would go back to get that one.

[Maple Leafs]

They're wearing them around camp and in non-swimming challenges now.. they had previous water/wet challenges where they had to wear their underwear.

They magically appeared.
They just gave them the change of clothes they had all packed, but weren't allowed to take at the beginning (when they had to start with whatever they were wearing to the temple).

Pretty predictable, no?

[wade moore]

They just gave them the change of clothes they had all packed, but weren't allowed to take at the beginning (when they had to start with whatever they were wearing to the temple).

Pretty predictable, no?I figured that was the case, but they never actually SAID that, did they? It's weird.

[Maple Leafs]

I figured that was the case, but they never actually SAID that, did they? It's weird.
Not really, they have to fit three days of shooting into every hour-long episode. If they didn't think it was interesting enough to show, they wouldn't bother.

[Jas_lov]

"This is not an immunity idol."

Anyone else burst out laughing when Jeff threw it into the fire and then they showed Jamie's reaction? LOL!

[Lathum]

"This is not an immunity idol."

Anyone else burst out laughing when Jeff threw it into the fire and then they showed Jamie's reaction? LOL!

I loved it.

I also thought her exit interview was hysterical when she said she was to nice for survivor, yet she therw a challange to get someone booted then laughed about it at tribal council.

Really nice.

[Raiders Army]

I loved it.

I also thought her exit interview was hysterical when she said she was to nice for survivor, yet she therw a challange to get someone booted then laughed about it at tribal council.

Really nice.

Me too. Yeah, the other thing is that she said that she didn't think that James was trustworthy when she was the one who threw the challenge and then went through his personal bag. :rolleyes:

[Lathum]

great point

[Galaril]

I am so glad that lying whore is gone.

[Ironhead]

The only thing better than that non-idol being played would have been that fake coconut idol from last year being used.

Courtney has absolutely zero redeemable qualities even after all of this time. I really hope either her or Jean Robert goes next week.

[johnnyshaka]

That has to be one of the best scenes on Survivor...ever!!!

[Lathum]

I think at some point John robert becomes the swing vote

[Kodos]

I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's episode. I guess she didn't bother to look at the backs of the immunity idols in James' bag. :)

[TazFTW]

No physical challenge and James still impresses. Dude was hilarious.

[Toddzilla]

Ha-Ha! Adios, cunt!

[Swaggs]

I wonder if rules prohibit players from actually stealing the idol from one another?

I thought, for sure, that Jamie was going to switch the blank one with one of the real ones that James had, and that they were keeping that part a secret to build up some drama for tribal council. I guess she didn't check them closely, but I am still curious about it, since the other two members from that tribe know that he has them.

[FrogMan]

I wonder if rules prohibit players from actually stealing the idol from one another?

I thought, for sure, that Jamie was going to switch the blank one with one of the real ones that James had, and that they were keeping that part a secret to build up some drama for tribal council. I guess she didn't check them closely, but I am still curious about it, since the other two members from that tribe know that he has them.

I was worried it was what was gonna happen, that she had stolen a real one and and would present it at the council. Very happy it wasn't the case. Her face didn't show as much shock as I thought it was going to, but James' smile, laugh and then recompose sequence was priceless. :)

On something else, was anybody else annoyed by how they typed what James was saying to Amanda near the lake? I don't mean the "skinny bitch" stuff, more the "would of" and "she's suppose". I mean damn, it may sound like that when he speaks, but not writing it correctly seriously annoyed the hell out of me. "Would of" is one of my biggest pet peeve, and English isn't even my first language...

FM

[Kodos]

That wood of pissed me of to.

[FrogMan]

That wood of piss me of to.

exactly! :p

FM

edit: on second thought, I had to correct you cause it was still too clean to really piss me off ;)

[Galaril]

I wonder if rules prohibit players from actually stealing the idol from one another?

I thought, for sure, that Jamie was going to switch the blank one with one of the real ones that James had, and that they were keeping that part a secret to build up some drama for tribal council. I guess she didn't check them closely, but I am still curious about it, since the other two members from that tribe know that he has them.

Actually Peih Gee never knew he had the idols or that Eric and Jamie found them in his bag.

[Easy Mac]

I wonder if rules prohibit players from actually stealing the idol from one another?

I thought, for sure, that Jamie was going to switch the blank one with one of the real ones that James had, and that they were keeping that part a secret to build up some drama for tribal council. I guess she didn't check them closely, but I am still curious about it, since the other two members from that tribe know that he has them.

It is against the official rules to steal the idol.

[Maple Leafs]

I think the entire reason I watch Survivor is to get annoyed at people who are completely delusional about themselves. So far we've had Jaime thinking she was too nice, Sheira thinking she was dominating the challenges, Courtney thinking that anybody gives a shit, and Pei Gee apparently thinking there was a legitimate chance that James was on her side. So far, so good.

James was fantastic this episode... "Please let this happen!" He's well on his way to being one of the most popular players of all-time.

[Jas_lov]

James survives! The immunity challenge favored the light people so he was at a disadvantage, but I expect him to have the necklace around his neck more often than not! And he's got the two hidden immunity idols! Todd is a flip flopper and a schemer. He could be a threat. The bigger threat is Amanda who is flying under the radar! What does everyone think of getting rid of Jean Robert? I know he's a backstabber like Todd, but he seems like a guy you'd like to be sitting next to in the finals.

Will Courtney and Frosti team with PG, Eric, and Denise to eliminate the stronger James, Todd, and Amanda? Leaving Denise in the dark was stupid and may cost Todd, James and Amanda! Frosti plays both sides and with her arch enemy JR gone, Courtney may do the same!

[Kodos]

I was hoping that JR would be the second consecutive player to play a fake immunity idol in a row.

[Easy Mac]

Amanda keeps getting hotter and hotter.

[Racer]

James survives! The immunity challenge favored the light people so he was at a disadvantage, but I expect him to have the necklace around his neck more often than not! And he's got the two hidden immunity idols! Todd is a flip flopper and a schemer. He could be a threat. The bigger threat is Amanda who is flying under the radar! What does everyone think of getting rid of Jean Robert? I know he's a backstabber like Todd, but he seems like a guy you'd like to be sitting next to in the finals.

Will Courtney and Frosti team with PG, Eric, and Denise to eliminate the stronger James, Todd, and Amanda? Leaving Denise in the dark was stupid and may cost Todd, James and Amanda! Frosti plays both sides and with her arch enemy JR gone, Courtney may do the same!

I really think they should have voted out PG. I'm guessing the reason JR was voted out was because Todd and Amanda recognized he was a schemer, couldn't be trusted, and thus was a threat to them. Since those two appear to be in control of the game right now that's who got voted out. The reason why I think they should have voted out PG though is that she is a schemer also, more likeable, and is definitely not on their side.

[Alan T]

I am glad James stayed in the game, but I think they made a big mistake letting him stay. They should have stuck with their original plan to remove James..

With things now the way they are, its the final 8.. if he wins 2 immunity idols from contests in upcoming weeks, he is easily in the final 4. They should have blindsided him and been done with it.. Now he is going to be alot more careful and reevaluate who he is playing with.

[Jas_lov]

I am glad James stayed in the game, but I think they made a big mistake letting him stay. They should have stuck with their original plan to remove James..

With things now the way they are, its the final 8.. if he wins 2 immunity idols from contests in upcoming weeks, he is easily in the final 4. They should have blindsided him and been done with it.. Now he is going to be alot more careful and reevaluate who he is playing with.

I agree! This could come back to blow up in Amanda and Todd's faces. Go with JR and take out James, the biggest physical threat who is more well liked than JR, AND has two hidden immunity idols! Maybe they've got something up their sleeves next week, but James could easily win immunity or use one of his idols now that he sees there are a few people that want him gone. Once in the final 4, he's the favorite to win a physical challenge!

[rkmsuf]

I've yet to figure out todd and that chick's strategy. Far as I can see they are a couple of idiots. Great idea giving away the idol. I can't stand those two.

They must really think James is some kind of dolt. If he has any thought to him, James should make the final 2 or 3. If he has any wherewithall he'll turn on todd and amanda as fast as he can.

[Racer]

I've yet to figure out todd and that chick's strategy. Far as I can see they are a couple of idiots. Great idea giving away the idol. I can't stand those two.

They must really think James is some kind of dolt. If he has any thought to him, James should make the final 2 or 3. If he has any wherewithall he'll turn on todd and amanda as fast as he can.

I doubt it is a final two since the jury started with Jaime instead of JR and having a final two now would make it an 8 person jury.

[johnnyshaka]

Thoughts on what the twist will be at tribal council?

[Kodos]

Jeff will announce that he is now a member of the tribe, and that he has global immunity throughout.

[EagleFan]

I was hoping that JR would be the second consecutive player to play a fake immunity idol in a row.

I see I wasn't the only one thinking that.

The only thing that would have made the first false play even better is if she had stepped up and played it as if she were certain it was the idol and not merely asked if it was.

I still like the "immunity idol fake out" from last season a little better though.

[Joe]

Thoughts on what the twist will be at tribal council?

I think they will possibly be voting out two people.

[wade moore]

James survives! The immunity challenge favored the light people so he was at a disadvantage, but I expect him to have the necklace around his neck more often than not! And he's got the two hidden immunity idols! Todd is a flip flopper and a schemer. He could be a threat. The bigger threat is Amanda who is flying under the radar! What does everyone think of getting rid of Jean Robert? I know he's a backstabber like Todd, but he seems like a guy you'd like to be sitting next to in the finals.

Will Courtney and Frosti team with PG, Eric, and Denise to eliminate the stronger James, Todd, and Amanda? Leaving Denise in the dark was stupid and may cost Todd, James and Amanda! Frosti plays both sides and with her arch enemy JR gone, Courtney may do the same!I'm glad someone picked up on the thing with Denise. Leaving her out was THE STUPIDEST THING they could do. These people are just not smart. Like Eric said, as soon as you realize in a group of 4 or 5, you're #5 or #4 or whatever - that's the time to flip. They just telegraphed it to Denise.


Amanda keeps getting hotter and hotter.
God yes.

[Racer]

I don't like how last week's preview promotes a twist and then they don't even show what the twist is going to be.

[FrogMan]

I don't like how last week's preview promotes a twist and then they don't even show what the twist is going to be.

me, I didn't like the frigging blurring on Amanda's butt damnit!

and yeah, well, the end sucked this week... :D

FM

[Kodos]

Amanda is nice looking, but she does slightly suffer from Julia Roberts-like horse mouth. A minor case though. Way better than the other skeletons that are left.

[Jas_lov]

The cliffhanger was just terrible and also false advertising.

What about the reward challenge? James, Denise, Pi Gi, and Todd couldn't figure out the correct strategy before the two man team of Frosti and Eric got up and down 3 times? They had a brilliant strategy- Keep bouncing it to Pi Gi who was horrible and had the smallest drum. Stupid idiots. Why didn't Amanda eat the burgers and fries at the immunity? She was safe and she deserves it for being the only good looking female left.

[Racer]

The cliffhanger was just terrible and also false advertising.

What about the reward challenge? James, Denise, Pi Gi, and Todd couldn't figure out the correct strategy before the two man team of Frosti and Eric got up and down 3 times? They had a brilliant strategy- Keep bouncing it to Pi Gi who was horrible and had the smallest drum. Stupid idiots. Why didn't Amanda eat the burgers and fries at the immunity? She was safe and she deserves it for being the only good looking female left.

Probably to try to keep PG from getting immunity.

[Jas_lov]

Thoughts on what the twist will be at tribal council?

Joe is right about the twist being to vote out two people. But the end made me believe that the people who chose to eat will be the only ones up for a vote.

Jeff: Frosti, the tribe has spoken
Frosti: With cheesburgers left on their breath!
*Dramatic music*

So the people with cheesburgers left on their breath will pay for their sins. They are not true survivors. Amanda did not have to play though because the goal should have been to get rid of Frosti. He's the next biggest physical threat after James and he was charming Courtney away from them! PG, Eric, and Frosti should have tried harder to recruit someone and force a 4-4 tie. Courtney may have done it. Maybe they did and she stabbed Frosti in the his heart, with cheesburgers left on her breath...

[Thomkal]

Well well well. We went from the big letdown of what happened after tribal council (the reward challenge starting-whopeee) to a shocking tribal council. I wonder if anybody will watch now?

[LloydLungs]

Oh, James James James. I think he's actually a pretty smart guy, but hopelessly naive would be the kindest way I could describe him within the parameters of Survivor. Okay, idiot might be more accurate.

If you absolutely must risk not playing one of your idols, you do it on an even number, not at 7!!! 9, 7, and 5 are when the big power plays are usually made. How in the world did he not see this coming?

Honorable mention stupid goes to Erik, who for some dumb reason voted for James instead of Todd. Had James played the idol, Todd and PG would have tied with one vote each instead of Todd being automatically voted out, forcing a revote and a likely booting of PG, ERIK'S ONLY ALLY! Geez. Come on, people.

[Kang]

Gotta wonder why James didn't play an idol. Can't keep them forever, and you have to figure that he was going to win a challenge or two coming up.

Now I'm rooting for Todd.

[StarBuck]

Jaammmeeeeeeessssssssssssssss!!!!! :(

[Kang]

Jaammmeeeeeeessssssssssssssss!!!!! :(

I'll be the one to say it: James dug his own grave.:(

[StarBuck]

I know. 2 idols and he doesn't play either one. But I so wanted this guy to take the million.

[EagleFan]

Wow, he used the idols like Herm Edwards used time outs...

[dervack]

I think PG might have screwed up on this one. If she tells James they are going to ambush him, and he votes with PG to get Todd out, she might have helped get James swing vote and start down the road closer to a million.

[Alan T]

I think PG might have screwed up on this one. If she tells James they are going to ambush him, and he votes with PG to get Todd out, she might have helped get James swing vote and start down the road closer to a million.

I think the opposite should have been done...

Todd should have set P.G. up in a way to try to gain more trust from James.. They had a 5-2 advantage, they could have gotten rid of P.G. plus one of the idols last night. THe way to have played it would have been to let P.G. know that they were taking James out and then coming for her next in a way that would have driven her to tell James that he was being targeted.

Then at council, everyone vote for P.G. as normal while denying to James the entire time that they would be voting for him.. In the end, James plays an idol, P.G. is voted out and no one crossed James so he goes away from it thinking that P.G. just outright lied to him (ie: giving him an apple to take a bite out of).

[Toddzilla]

I'll be the one to say it: James dug his own grave.:(10 internets for you, my friend.

[rkmsuf]

I missed it. What happened?

[Easy Mac]

I'm just glad that my boy Eric can get some from Jamie or Amanda when this is over.

[Kang]

I missed it. What happened?

I can't tell you; it might be a spoiler.

[rkmsuf]

I can't tell you; it might be a spoiler.

asswhite

[Kang]

asswhite

Profanity makes God cry.

[Toddzilla]

I missed it. What happened?EW.com has a nice write-up under TV Watch. I'd cut and paste, but my vagina is tired.

[rkmsuf]

EW.com has a nice write-up under TV Watch. I'd cut and paste, but my vagina is tired.

sorry I wore you out

[Scarecrow]

ok - Todd's sister Brandy is hot.

[korme]

I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Todd out of all that is left. Of a group of five nobodies, Todd sticks out as the one who has played the game the best.

[Galaril]

I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Todd out of all that is left. Of a group of five nobodies, Todd sticks out as the one who has played the game the best.

This show might of jumped the shark for us with James getting voted out last it left a real bad taste in our mouth. This is the first show we haven't watched since survivor cam eon TV no lie. just don't care about this anymore.

[Raiders Army]

I dunno. Amanda ain't bad.

[Kang]

My rankings for those that remain:

1. Todd
2. Amanda
3. mullet girl
4. PG














Courtney

[saldana]

unfortunately, courtney is never getting voted off...right now i would kill to keep her in the game if i was one of the other 4, because NO ONE will vote for her to win...she has done nothing...the only challenge she won was the one where you sat around and didnt do anything....she will get zero votes in from the jury, except maybe frosti, who thinks he is gonna score.

also, is there a line on whether or not todd is telling the truth about his sister? i immediately said bullshit when that happened.

[Jon]

I'm not a big fan of Todd. I think Amanda is the most likely to win. He pats himself on the back for "strategy" when he just lucked himself into the situation and takes credit for stuff he didn't propose. He had one clip where he said "I can't believe they did that, I thought about it weeks ago." Reminded me of the Diversity Day episode of "The Office" where Michael takes credit for the diversity training.

[CleBrownsfan]

I think if PG can pull of to make it to the final 3 than she deserves to win ( I like the underdog). The mullet chick really f'd up not voting off Todd last night IMO. I think she would have won if it came down to Mullet, PG, and the guy that got the boot last night.

[Thomkal]

I have to say I'm pulling for Denise at this point though I predicted Amanda to win it all back at the start. I don't think it was a wise move to take Erik out over Todd, she would have had Erik and PG on her side for at least one more vote. But looks like Amanda's going to stir things up with Todd next week. I think that this Survivor may be the most unpredictable final five of any. No one trusts anyone and alliances seem to break down and shift every week.

I'm still somewhat rooting for PG too due to her ballsy move earlier in the game with throwing the challenge, even if she didn't follow up on it. Won a couple immunity challenges when she really needed to as well.

Don't care much about Todd, but I think he's very dangerous to keep around as he's the most likely to backstab at this point. Would only want him to win if he's up against Courtney.

Since I predicted Amanda would win, have to pull for her too. I like that she's trying to make some strategic moves, and she's the one responsible for blindsiding James of course. The others should want to get rid of her for that reason alone as I might vote for her based on that alone if I'm in the jury.

I think Todd/Denise/Amanda should maneuver to take Courtney/PG to the Final and they win. Is it a Final 3 for the jury to vote on this year?

[gstelmack]

Getting caught up here:

1) There was absolutely no reason for James not to play an idol last week. 3 councils left where an idol can be played and he's got 2 of them. Just play the blasted thing on any challenge you lose at this point! And he probably would have won last night's challenge in a landslide.

2) Amanda has been manipulating Todd all along, letting him do the dirty work for here. She's my vote for a million now that James is gone as she is playing a great game.

[LloydLungs]

Courtney is mean, but her post-family visit confessional re: Todd's sister's miscarriage was possibly the funniest confessional in all 15 seasons. Yes, yes, I know. She's mean. (Miming cheesy Probst with microphone: "Looks like you got some bad news over there, Todd.") :D

Amanda engineered THE boot of this game, the James boot. Not Todd. Todd and Amanda are the strategists, but he's the erratic one. She's the cool-headed, calculated one.

[Jas_lov]

Amanda will win and she deserves it based on looks and gameplay. Todd is a snake and nobody will vote for a snake in the finals. Courtney is dumb and not well liked. PG is now the underdog and she might have a shot if she can stay alive to the finals despite it now being 4 on 1 against her. Denise had a possible game changing decision last night and she chickened out. She could have forced a tie with Todd and Eric and gone to a tiebreaker. If it works out, she has the numbers to get to the final 3 although they may have turned on her later on but that's beside the point. If it fails and Todd won the tiebreaker, she would have been the outcast of the group. BUT SHE'S ALREADY THE OUTCAST OF THE GROUP!!!!! There may have been something left out where Todd/Amanda or Todd/Courtney promised Denise a final 3, so I guess we'll never know if Denise is an idiot.

[Toddzilla]

Denise even said *while she casted her vote* that it was a big mistake. Nice move, lunch lady, now gimme more mashed potaters.

[rkmsuf]

The best ending would be for the Chinese government to execute the remaining players via firing squad. Probst too.

[korme]

Denise even said *while she casted her vote* that it was a big mistake. Nice move, lunch lady, now gimme more mashed potaters.

I know.. if you're saying "this is a mistake" as your writing your vote... guess what, it probably is! :rolleyes:

[StarBuck]

Courtney or "Pee-Gee" for being in the final two. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would take one of them with them. No one liked them and they were not much help around camp or in physical challenges.

[Lathum]

I am amazed Amanda, PG, and Denise didn't align to break up the courtney- Todd aliance.

[korme]

My dad's friend saw Todd on a magazine listed as the "Million Dollar Boy"... he was like "oh this is todd" (picks up the mag), "OH this is gay" (puts it back)

[EagleFan]

I am amazed Amanda, PG, and Denise didn't align to break up the courtney- Todd aliance.

I think Amanda tried but once she realized that Denise was going to be stupid and not try to get rid of Todd her only option was to vote that way too or she would isolate herself for the next vote.

[Swaggs]

That was pretty much the last chance that Denise had to break things up. Now, you have to think that Courtney is almost assured of being in the top 2, as everyone left has to feel like they could beat her in a jury vote.

[LloydLungs]

I am amazed Amanda, PG, and Denise didn't align to break up the courtney- Todd aliance.

Do you really see a Courtney/Todd alliance? It's always seemed to me an Amanda/Todd alliance with Courtney as a straggler. It's always Amanda/Todd talking about/fighting over what strategy to use. Courtney's just the one going along when they decide who to axe next.

Given that, I think that Amanda probably wants Todd around for the final 3, so that she can play the "nice" strategist against Todd's "shifty" strategist in front of the jury, without the possibility of a PG/Denise sitting there sucking up "underdog" jury votes.

[korme]

Dude, Todd and Courtney are like two peas in a pod. They have grown to trust each other the most of any pair with the four left.

[LloydLungs]

Dude, Todd and Courtney are like two peas in a pod. They have grown to trust each other the most of any pair with the four left.

On a personal level, maybe. From a strategic level, not at all. I don't think Courtney has been in on a single strategic decision all season. In the era of the final 3, I don't think it really matters whether they're broken up. Amanda would probably beat them both in the finals, and PG probably would have if she had made it. Denise likely couldn't win against any combination due to being a lousy player and a nonentity, but her best bet would be vs. Todd/Courtney.

[korme]

Well, we know it's a final two because Jeff previewed 3 tribal councils this Sunday

[Ajaxab]

It was interesting to see Pei-gee's diatribe about playing honestly, fighting hard and with integrity. This from someone who threw a challenge early in the game?

[Racer]

Well, we know it's a final two because Jeff previewed 3 tribal councils this Sunday

CBS has already mislead us once in previews once though. I think there could be a 3-3-1 tie and a revote or CBS could be counting the live reading of the votes. For it to be a final 2, they would either need to add or subtract a juror in order to get an odd number of jurors.

[Toddzilla]

Well, we know it's a final two because Jeff previewed 3 tribal councils this SundayNot necessarily...

(1) Tribal takes it down from 4 to 3
(2) Tribal with the jury to vote on the 3
(3) Live tribal in NYC to read the votes

The can't have a jury of 8 people 'cos it may be a tie.

[Racer]

On a personal level, maybe. From a strategic level, not at all. I don't think Courtney has been in on a single strategic decision all season. In the era of the final 3, I don't think it really matters whether they're broken up. Amanda would probably beat them both in the finals, and PG probably would have if she had made it. Denise likely couldn't win against any combination due to being a lousy player and a nonentity, but her best bet would be vs. Todd/Courtney.

I don't even think Denise could win even if it was still a final two and she was against Courtney. The players haven't been shown to respect her at all.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe Todd deserves to win. I'm still hoping Amanda beats them.

[Racer]

Maybe Todd deserves to win. I'm still hoping Amanda beats them.

I don't think I agree. I think Amanda has played just as strategically, has been more stable in her strategy, doesn't act giddy every time someone gets voted out, and has seemingly pissed off fewer jurors.

[gstelmack]

It was interesting to see Pei-gee's diatribe about playing honestly, fighting hard and with integrity. This from someone who threw a challenge early in the game?

She also has herself convinced that she took Denise on the reward because she was weak, so Denise owes her, when the real reason she really took her was to work on splitting her off from the rest. Pei-gee is pretty delusional at this point in the game.

[gstelmack]

I don't think I agree. I think Amanda has played just as strategically, has been more stable in her strategy, doesn't act giddy every time someone gets voted out, and has seemingly pissed off fewer jurors.

Amanda has been quietly manipulating Todd to get what she wants and letting him take the fall. She is hands-down the best player in this game.

[korme]

Amanda does not deserve to win until she goes one episode without a blurry butt.

[Swaggs]

What's up with the blur?

Does she have some offensive tattoo or major winter bush or something? They have shown much, much more risque things on Survivor than short-shorts.

[korme]

I have wondered the same thing. Can they really not show all of her buttcheeks or something? It's not like her vagina is hanging out.

[Swaggs]

I have wondered the same thing. Can they really not show all of her buttcheeks or something? It's not like her vagina is hanging out.

Exactly. The one year, in Africa, they showed a 50-year old woman in a thong without the blur.

[Racer]

I have wondered the same thing. Can they really not show all of her buttcheeks or something? It's not like her vagina is hanging out.

I'm wondering if she requested that her ass be blurred.

[Jas_lov]

Todd or Amanda will WIN! It's all up to who wins immunity tomorrow. My guess is that Amanda will want to oust Todd, Todd will want to oust Amanda, Courtney will want to oust Amanda, Denise will want to oust Amanda. Amanda MUST win immunity if she is to be in the finals! Courtney knows that Todd is hated. Denise knows this too so they both want to go up against him over Amanda. Todd wants to go up against the 2 people who haven't really done anything strategically and he can play the "best player" card. Amanda wants to do this too. My guess is that the jury gives it to the "best player" over the stragglers. Either Todd or Amanda will be crowned as the winner tomorrow, and you'll know who it is after the final 4 tribal council!

[gstelmack]

You are forgetting the possibility of a Denise/Courtney final two...

[Jas_lov]

There is no possibility of anyone being in a final 2 as it will be a final 3 again to vote for the winner. With the addition of PG to the jury, there are now 6 jurors with one more to be added. Thus, it will be a final 3 like it was with Earl, Dreamz, and Cassandra. Earl won with no opposition when they got rid of their biggest competition, Yao Man, and I think Todd or Amanda will do the same thing this year against 2 people who have done nothing. Remember the other time they did a final 3? Ozzy, Yul, and Becky. It was 5-4 and it was a tossup as to who would win. Todd and Amanda don't want that. They want to coast to victory like Earl did. They're both very smart players and I'm sure they realize this. One of them will be the winner, and it's all up to who wins immunity.

[Joe]

I'm wondering if she requested that her ass be blurred.

probably, since her sister's ass was blurred as well

[gstelmack]

I figured they'd given up on the final 3 when the first two attempts ended up with the third person getting 0 votes. Hmmm...

[EagleFan]

It'll be final 2. Going to a final 3 opened them up to ties so they can't be too worried about that with a final 2. Hell, they may even want a tie to force some sort of tie breaking challenge right there on live TV.

[Jas_lov]

OH MY GOD! I seriously don't think some of you are capable of reading or comprehending! THERE WILL NOT BE A FINAL 2! THERE WILL BE A FINAL 3! Just listen to me! Go here: http://www.cbs.com/ where it says, "The final 3 will be held accountable for their actions as the Jury decides who will win one million dollars and the title of Sole Survivor." Jesus Christ people! READ! COUNT! 6 CURRENT JURY MEMBERS + 1 MORE= ODD NUMBER OF 7! It's not that hard to figure out if you just THINK! YOU'RE WELCOME FOR HOLDING YOUR HAND AND THINKING FOR YOU!

[EagleFan]

OH MY GOD! I seriously don't think some of you are capable of reading or comprehending! THERE WILL NOT BE A FINAL 2! THERE WILL BE A FINAL 3! Just listen to me! Go here: http://www.cbs.com/ where it says, "The final 3 will be held accountable for their actions as the Jury decides who will win one million dollars and the title of Sole Survivor." Jesus Christ people! READ! COUNT! 6 CURRENT JURY MEMBERS + 1 MORE= ODD NUMBER OF 7! It's not that hard to figure out if you just THINK! YOU'RE WELCOME FOR HOLDING YOUR HAND AND THINKING FOR YOU!

Dude, get a fucking life!!!

[wade moore]

Dude, get a fucking life!!!

Hah - defensive much?

[Jas_lov]

Hah - defensive much?

Yeah, what is his problem? After 3 different people in here had said there would be a final 3, people still kept waltzing in here thinking that they knew more than us! Somehow we were supposed to believe that there would be 8 jury members! Anyway, it's resolved now so let's just enjoy what should be another great finale tonight.

[Alan T]

I think its going to be a final 2.










Not really.. I just wanted to see people type in ALL CAPS and get all heated up some more!

[Lathum]

Todd and Courtney in the final 2.

[FrogMan]

I think it's going to be a final 2 and a half, cause, well, you know, Courtney can't count as one full person... :D

FM

[FrogMan]

OH MY GOD! I seriously don't think some of you are capable of reading or comprehending! THERE WILL NOT BE A FINAL 2! THERE WILL BE A FINAL 3! Just listen to me! Go here: http://www.cbs.com/ where it says, "The final 3 will be held accountable for their actions as the Jury decides who will win one million dollars and the title of Sole Survivor." Jesus Christ people! READ! COUNT! 6 CURRENT JURY MEMBERS + 1 MORE= ODD NUMBER OF 7! It's not that hard to figure out if you just THINK! YOU'RE WELCOME FOR HOLDING YOUR HAND AND THINKING FOR YOU!


wow, all of that for a final 2 vs final 3. You really must care if people understand or not. Impressive...

FM

[EagleFan]

Hah - defensive much?

Nope, just can't stand codescending pricks. Especially one getting worked up over a freaking show.

[Joe]

definitely a final 2

[gstelmack]

Yeah, what is his problem? After 3 different people in here had said there would be a final 3, people still kept waltzing in here thinking that they knew more than us! Somehow we were supposed to believe that there would be 8 jury members! Anyway, it's resolved now so let's just enjoy what should be another great finale tonight.

There were several predictions there would be a final 3, but that was the first bit of actual evidence heard in here. Until that post, it was all conjecture.

Sorry, I watch the show, I don't read the site, but was somehow supposed to osmosisize that that had been posted.

So yeah, get a life sounds appropriate to someone who teed off on us.