Werewolf LVI - Upstairs, Downstairs - GAME OVER, Guests WIN!

[Peregrine]

Rules


Upstairs

Mr. Winston
Mrs. Winston
Daria Winston
Joseph Winston


Downstairs

The Butler
The Chambermaid
The Cook
The Driver


Guests

The Professor
The Gossip
The Vicar
The Colonel
The Gadabout
The Lush
The Socialite
The Eccentric
The Daughter
The Elderly Gent
The Neighbor

Teams

Each team, Upstairs and Downstairs has a Seer who can choose someone to scan each night. They will learn that person's role. Each team also has one supporter among the guests, who knows the identity of some of the team's members and wins or loses with them, but they do not know the supporter's identity. Teams have full PM privileges at all times among each other.


Roles

Roles are revealed when a player is killed overnight, but not when someone is arrested by voting during the day. The existence of some roles will be announced before the game, but not which players have them, and they may not all be in the game.

Voting

After the horrible violence going on in the house, the Inspector must be called in. Each day the players must vote to decide who is guilty of the latest murders. The Inspector is rather thick, and gullible, so if the majority of players can convince him someone's guilty, he'll be hauled away, out of the game. The usual voting rules apply, and all votes should be in by 8 pm EST each evening. Ties will confuse the Inspector and he will grab one of the two candidates at random and haul them away.

Evidence

There are several items of evidence in the game, some are hidden in the house and others are possessed by a player at the start of the game. To use evidence, PM me and I will post that evidence has been presented against a certain player, as well as who presented it. Evidence will add two votes to the vote total for the person it is presented against. Note that evidence becomes weaker as fewer players are in the game, so that when 12 or less are in, it is only one vote, and when there are 6 orless it becomes worthless.

Also, evidence is not intended to be used as a last minute "snipe" of the vote, but to put pressure on someone and change the voting trend. For that reason, I recommend that it not be used in the last two hours of a day. The GM reserves the right to cancel the evidence if he thinks the other players haven't had enough of a chance to respond to it.


Each night is divided into two sections, Early Night and Late Night. At the end of each day players must inform me of their actions for each of the sections.

Possible Actions are:

Sleep - Pretty obvious. The character cannot defend himself against attacks, unless he has someone guarding him. If a character does not get a phase of sleep in a night, the next night he is exhausted and must sleep in both phases. Similarly, if a character sleeps in both phases, the next night he may act in both phases, because he has slept ahead.


Guard - This action lets you guard yourself from attackers. Guard will let you fend off an attacker if they have the same type of weapon as you do (melee or gun.)


Search - You have the option to search the house for useful items. Normally you may find weapons or evidence but there are a few other useful items that grant small powers. Search will also give someone a small chance to notice someone else in the halls and possibly witness an attack.


Attack - If you have a weapon, you can attack someone. If they are sleeping, you kill them. If they are guarding, you have a chance to kill them, but only if you have a better weapon than they do. In other words a firearm will still kill someone who is guarding with a melee weapon, and a melee weapon will kill someone who is guarding with no weapon. You can't kill someone if you don't currently have a weapon.

Special Actions - Some characters have special actions, using them takes one of the night phases.


Victory conditions

If either the Winstons or the servants are eliminated (including their supporter, mentioned in the team section) the rival team wins the game at the start of a day as long as they have at least one member alive. If a situation arises where the last members of both teams are killed at the start of any day, the Guests win the game. The guests can also win if they outnumber the surviving members of both teams (not including supporters) by a ratio of 2:1 after Day 4.

Our Players

Lathum
RendeR
Gonzo
ArlingtonColt
Neon_Chaos
PurdueBrad
RPI-Fan
Barkeep49
EagleFan
MrBug708
St. Cronin
Oliegirl
ntndeacon
SnDvls
DaddyTorgo
Chief Run
Alan T
Telle
Path12

[Peregrine]

It is the morning of the first day. Guests have been arriving for the party all last night and this morning, and the frost between the Winstons and the servants is obvious to all. Someone made the first move last night, as Jackson, the Winstons private servant, was found strangled to death. He was equally close to the Winstons and their servants, and both are viewing this as an attack on them. What will the day bring?

Day 1 rules - For today you have the option of a No Lynch vote, if a majority votes No Lynch then there will be no one taken away today. After today this will not be an option!

Role PMs will be going out momentarily.

[Peregrine]

All roles have been sent out. All votes must be in by 8 pm EST on Thursday night, and all night actions must be in by midnight Thursday night.

[Chief Rum]

Woot! First post.

I ain't upstairs nor downstairs. I was given one of the roles listed for the guests. I am guessing we'll all have roles.

[Chief Rum]

All roles have been sent out. All votes must be in by 8 pm EST tonight, and all night actions must be in by midnight tonight.

From my perspective, midnight is in three hours. I am guessing you mean midnight Thursday (tomorrow)?

[Peregrine]

Yes, that was obviously a mistake and I corrected the post.

[Peregrine]

The Inspector arrives, a bit out of breath from the bicycle ride to the manor house. "What's all this, then? Murder, is it?" He peers at the body of Jackson with bleary eyes. "Coulda been a hangin'?" He shrugs and looks to you to add your input (and make his decision for him.)

[ArlingtonColt]

I'm a guest as well.... not really comfortable in my skin though... lol

[st.cronin]

I'm a guest as well.... not really comfortable in my skin though... lol

Is this meant to be a hint?

Guest as well, here.

[Neon_Chaos]

Checking in. Guest here.

[ntndeacon]

I am a guest as well

[SnDvls]

guest checking in

[MrBug708]

Guest here checking in at a later time...

[EagleFan]

Is this meant to be a hint?

Guest as well, here.

Not buying it this time.... :)

[EagleFan]

vote no lynch

After finally getting an idea about the other game, now a major wrench thrown into things with this one... :)

[Barkeep49]

I too am a guest. Seems to me that we need to try and lynch from both upstairs and downstairs at a relatively equal rate. Not quite sure how we'll judge that.

No lynch doesn't seem to be an option so I'm going to go with the guy who volunteered to have day 1 votes on him.

vote st.cronin

[Alan T]

I'm a guest as well, and I have a role from the guest list.

I'm wondering if everyone has roles, what would the harm in a mass role reveal be? It seems like it would almost make this too easy to win to the point that it would almost break the game. So I am wondering if there is some catch that I am not seeing here.

Also Barkeep, your last post is incorrect. Peregrine posted that only on day 1 No Lynch is an option, so it is an option for today.

[Alan T]

Dola,

Speaking of no lynch, my pointing out that Barkeep was incorrect does not in any way mean I support a no lynch today. I go game by game on if I support a no lynch depending on the game setup. In this game I count 11 guests and 8 others. Of the 11 guests, two are supporters, which means of the people left to vote for 8 of them are on my side, and 10 are not. So the odds are better in lynching someone not a guest than lynching a guest today if all things are equal.

So I most likely will be voting to lynch someone today even if its a blind guess I should still have decent odds of not hitting a guest.

[Alan T]

Thinking about it a bit further, the only downside I can see to a mass reveal is that we are outnumbered to start (like I mentioned in my last post).. So even though we have more people than either of the upstairs or downstairs team, if they for whatever reason teamed up to remove us in order to save their own neck, it could go bad for us there..

I still think if we manage to knock off one or two of them in the first two-three days and the numbers even out better, its a good thought.

[oliegirl]

I'm a guest, and have a role...as I'd said before, I'm moving today - leaving here in about an hour and likely won't be back online until late this afternoon or maybe even tonight...I've never done this before and I don't like to do it, but I'd rather put this in now than miss deadline...

VOTE NO LYNCH

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry for the late check in guys. Guest here.

[Telle]

Guest here checking in.

[Lathum]

I just realized there is an 8;00 EST deadline, I just want to throw it out there that I will usualy be gone at that time.

[st.cronin]

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vote No Lynch

[Lathum]

I HATE the No Lynch

VOTE EAGLEFAN

he jumped on that option to quickly for my taste.

[Neon_Chaos]

vote No Lynch

[Peregrine]

I can move the deadline a bit forward or back if many of you have problems with it, 8 is just the one I usually use.

[Barkeep49]

I just want to point out that people are TWICE as likely to die at night during this game as they are during a normal game. To me this makes it rather silly for the guests to sit back and wait for the upstairs and downstairs people to accomplish their goal

[Alan T]

I guess everyone voting no lynch either are not guests or completely missed the fact that there is no real reason to vote no lynch today in this game that I presented earlier.

Since no one even commented on it and is just ignoring it, I'm leaning to voting for one of the people who chose no lynch after the information I put up earlier.

[Barkeep49]

I guess everyone voting no lynch either are not guests or completely missed the fact that there is no real reason to vote no lynch today in this game that I presented earlier.

Since no one even commented on it and is just ignoring it, I'm leaning to voting for one of the people who chose no lynch after the information I put up earlier.
I'm down with that.

[path12]

Checking in.

[Peregrine]

Rules clarification:

Based on some questions. Weapons can be kept and re-used for multiple attacks, however firearms may run out of ammunition after two uses. Ammo can be found via searching.

[RPI-Fan]

Guest checking in...

Subject to change after he checks in... (I'm adamantly against the no-lynch for the reasons presented by Alan)

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[DaddyTorgo]

whoops. Got my PM and didn't realize that that meant game-on

[DaddyTorgo]

I am

a) not a winston

b) not a worker

so what's everyone up to today? where are the votes at? any wolves make blunders?

[Telle]

I HATE the No Lynch

VOTE EAGLEFAN

he jumped on that option to quickly for my taste.

Something about this post just keeps bugging me. You know that this is only EagleFan's second game and this game is rather different from the last one. I think for a newbie going with a no-lynch vote is perfectly normal because he probably just wants to sit back for a bit and see how things work. And yet Lathum chose to jump on EagleFan rather than the two veterans after him who voted the exact same way.

VOTE LATHUM

[Telle]

As of post 36:

4 - no lynch - EagleFan (15), oliegirl (20), st.cronin (24), Neon_Chaos (26)
1 - st.cronin - Barkeep49 (16)
1 - EagleFan - Lathum (25)
1 - DaddyTorgo - RPI-Fan (33)
1 - Lathum - Telle (36)

[Neon_Chaos]

I guess everyone voting no lynch either are not guests or completely missed the fact that there is no real reason to vote no lynch today in this game that I presented earlier.

Since no one even commented on it and is just ignoring it, I'm leaning to voting for one of the people who chose no lynch after the information I put up earlier.

I'm all good with a mass reveal.

I just don't want to lynch right now, because roles aren't revealed on lynches, right?

[RendeR]

I'm going to try learning from past experience, Cronin is simply too good at this game to allow him to live long:

VOTE ST CRONIN


Barring some sort of reveal that would change my mind I'm sticking with this vote until he hangs. he somehow manages to convince me he's ok every game and I've been wrong too often.

Also, due to Telle's charity event I will not be around at deadline. My vote is going to stand unless something relaly big come up.

[Neon_Chaos]

My argument for the no-lynch would be that since roles aren't revealed during lynches, we really don't have anything revealed to us, even though we lynch someone.

We would be taking someone out and not gain anything from it. Bad trade-off, IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

My argument for the no-lynch would be that since roles aren't revealed during lynches, we really don't have anything revealed to us, even though we lynch someone.

We would be taking someone out and not gain anything from it. Bad trade-off, IMO.

interesting point

[Alan T]

My argument for the no-lynch would be that since roles aren't revealed during lynches, we really don't have anything revealed to us, even though we lynch someone.

We would be taking someone out and not gain anything from it. Bad trade-off, IMO.


You rarely learn anything from day 1 votes anyways as its mad chaos..

The point remains.. even guessing blindly with any vote out there, you still have a 56% chance of with a completely random vote getting someone who is not for your team.

If we do not vote today, we have a 0% chance of getting someone not on our team in this lynch.

Meanwhile tonight, you will have two teams who both have the ability to communicate with each other, and both have a 93% chance of getting someone not on their team go out and kill people.


I guess the main positive point with your plan is that while we could be down 2 additional people tommorrow, have very little if any information to go on, at least we'll then on day 2 possibly have as high as a 63% chance for our complete shot in the dark vote tommorrow! :)

[RendeR]

A No Lynch vote helps no-one.

Hang Cronin, can anyone honestly say its safe to leave him alive?

[DaddyTorgo]

what about evidence? we havn't discussed evidence yet.

[Alan T]

I didn't start with any evidence myself. Considering I'll likely be leaving in 2-3 hours until after lynch I assume if people haven't put any into play by now for today, I likely won't see it anyways until later tonight.

[Lathum]

Something about this post just keeps bugging me. You know that this is only EagleFan's second game and this game is rather different from the last one. I think for a newbie going with a no-lynch vote is perfectly normal because he probably just wants to sit back for a bit and see how things work. And yet Lathum chose to jump on EagleFan rather than the two veterans after him who voted the exact same way.


If that was the case then he would do just that, casting a no lynch vote is the same as voting.

It seems far more likely a newer player would get anxious about putting a no lynch vote in because of their teams agenda as opposed to putting one in for the reasons you listed

[ArlingtonColt]

I agree with Telle here... seems like a wolf trying to start a quick run on someone for a very flimsy reason.

VOTE LATHUM

Subject to change of course.

[RendeR]

If that was the case then he would do just that, casting a no lynch vote is the same as voting.

It seems far more likely a newer player would get anxious about putting a no lynch vote in because of their teams agenda as opposed to putting one in for the reasons you listed


Actually Lathum, its far more disturbing to me to see you, a notable high end player, choose to avoid voting for the players you know to be excellent at the game as well who voted the same way. it makes far more sense to take out those players than try and tag a newbie in this situation.

[Barkeep49]

I'm all for a mass reveal. I don't think it would possibly work, but being a guest, I'm all for it.

[Barkeep49]

Frankly I like Lathum's analysis here more than the counter argument.

[Lathum]

Actually Lathum, its far more disturbing to me to see you, a notable high end player, choose to avoid voting for the players you know to be excellent at the game as well who voted the same way. it makes far more sense to take out those players than try and tag a newbie in this situation.

I totaly disagree. This is no slight on anyone who is a newer player but there is no way without any information am I voting for Cronin, Chiefrum, Barkeep, hoops, Path, or a few others. They are just way to valuable when they are on our side.

A vote for Cronin based on his play from last game IMO is just plain silly. If anything you would want him around based on his solid play. At least my vote was for a somewhat educated reason. If you wanna lynch me for it go ahead.

[Lathum]

dola- I find if interesting that by voting for me ArlingtonColt is doing exactly the thing Telle accused me of.

[RendeR]

I'm all for a mass reveal. I don't think it would possibly work, but being a guest, I'm all for it.


A mass reveal might work on day one, but its probably worthless after that. I'm pondering what loopholes the two factions could use to get around being discovered this way.

I didn't see anything in the rules that said those were the only non character roles in the game, so what keeps the factions from lying through their proverbial fangs?

[Alan T]

I'm not sure what I think about Lathum just yet. He is arguing the same side as me regarding the no lynch, but I question his choice to go after Eaglefan vs the two others who had posted a no lynch vote by the time Lathum made his vote. I might be wrong about Eaglefan, but my thoughts are that someone (even someone who is pretty enthusiastic) playing in their second game of WW, as a first time wolf wouldn't necessarily come firing at the hip if he had a team to work with. My thought is if a newer player like Eaglefan was a part of a team, they might instead be more likely to wait and discuss a team strategy before committing to too much.

So I didn't really get a bad vibe from Eaglefan's vote.. and I honestly didn't really get a bad vibe from Olliegirl's vote (she seemed to have posted in a hurry, rushed, whatever and evidentally didnt really read much of the thread). Likewise Cronin's vote didn't bother me too much (he seems to vote no lynch every game without reason or any process of reasoning just to make a point).

The person I am leaning most to right now is DaddyTorgo who feels like he is riding the fence too much and being non-commital.

[RendeR]

I totaly disagree. This is no slight on anyone who is a newer player but there is no way without any information am I voting for Cronin, Chiefrum, Barkeep, hoops, Path, or a few others. They are just way to valuable when they are on our side.

A vote for Cronin based on his play from last game IMO is just plain silly. If anything you would want him around based on his solid play. At least my vote was for a somewhat educated reason. If you wanna lynch me for it go ahead.


Thats just it Lathum, the bolded part is the exact reason to cull the herd so to speaqk, that herd in particular. We don't KNOW if they're on our side and with the killing ability available in this game, leaving any of them around very long is probably a lose/lose situation for everyone involved.

[Alan T]

A mass reveal might work on day one, but its probably worthless after that. I'm pondering what loopholes the two factions could use to get around being discovered this way.

I didn't see anything in the rules that said those were the only non character roles in the game, so what keeps the factions from lying through their proverbial fangs?

I assume:

Since my role is listed as a role in the guest list that others who are guests as well will find the same.
Since there are 19 players and 19 listed roles that its likely there aren't unlisted roles.

The only problem I came up with a mass role reveal that I mentioned before was that we (the guests) are outnumbered currently by total other people.

Upstairs = 4 people + 1 supporter
Downstairs = 4 people + 1 supporter
Guests (non-supporters) = 9 people.

So if we did a mass role reveal today, we would outnumber either the upstairs or downstairs teams, however it would cause a crazy game to occur as the upstairs and downstairs could team up to ensure a guest was lynched today in their own self interest... plus they both would know who to go after..

It leaves alot of questionmarks that is for sure.. I think its a far more interesting thing to discuss though than people trying to push a no lynch vote when it doesn't make sense this game at least.

[RendeR]

I agree whole heartedlly that a no lynch is a terrible play in this type of game. So my only real quewtoin is, which of the most dangerous players (when they are wolfy) should we get rid of today?

I'd rather take down the hot shot players and take my chances with the less experienced ones.

[Lathum]

I agree whole heartedlly that a no lynch is a terrible play in this type of game. So my only real quewtoin is, which of the most dangerous players (when they are wolfy) should we get rid of today?

I'd rather take down the hot shot players and take my chances with the less experienced ones.

This makes me shake my head.

[Lathum]

dola- I am out in a couple of minutes until after the deadline. My role is The Gadabout, pretty boring actually.

I am hoping by me revealing this first it buys some trust since it would be a HUGE chance to be the first person revealing and have it be a fake reveal, it would be pretty easy to get picked off.

[Barkeep49]

The fact of being out numbered doesn't concern me since one of the sides would have to work with the villagers to achieve their goals in any fashion. It's far more likely that we would be getting some fake reveals and have to sort through that. I also do think it's possible for there to be some secret roles, but that is not the simplest solution for reasons Alan pointed out. However, I like that situation better than others. I agree a D1 reveal is the way to go. I'll say that I'm the Vicar.

[Lathum]

dola- I am out until after the deadline.

[ArlingtonColt]

I'm the socialite.... hence the not comfortable in my own skin comment from earlier.... I'm still on the fence as to who to vote for though.

[PurdueBrad]

Out until closer to deadline but I've got to be honest, I'm not sold on revealing right now. Those of you that have, that's fine but I guess I'm not seeing it. I guess when we all reveal, the wolves can target each other by process of elimination but it also says, "Hey, come and get me."

[Alan T]

Well it really is up to the non-guests (Can we call them wolves in this game? It feels more like three individual teams than wolves vs vvillagers here). Going in they already know who isn't on their team for the most part (since they can already communicate with each other). The only thing they do not know is who the guest that sympathizes with them is. That is the main reason I brought up the reveal idea in the first place.. this gives us information that helps us more than it helps them.

Also at least in the case of my role, the name of my role doesn't really directly relate to what my ability is that comes with the role. So I am assuming that is likely the case with other guest roles.. so I was a bit less worried about suddenly any seer type role that we may have outing themselves for easy pickings.

I still am a bit worried about what play becomes of this.. Since the guests can't win until day 4, I assume the upstairs and downstairs teams pick each other off at least tonight.. but they can't do that the entire time, they will have to come after us too.. and I'm not sure how that plays out when we don't have the numbers on our side.

[SnDvls]

dola- I am out in a couple of minutes until after the deadline. My role is The Gadabout, pretty boring actually.

I am hoping by me revealing this first it buys some trust since it would be a HUGE chance to be the first person revealing and have it be a fake reveal, it would be pretty easy to get picked off.

I'm not sure how revealing your role buys you trust as some guests also have an alliance with the upstairs or downstairs.

Guests

The Professor
The Gossip
The Vicar
The Colonel
The Gadabout
The Lush
The Socialite
The Eccentric
The Daughter
The Elderly Gent
The Neighbor

of this list I would only eliminate on "name only" if I had to 2-3 and the other's, mine and yours included, could easily be considered an ally.

[path12]

The main thing that stands out to me is RendeR going so hard after Cronin/experienced players. Stands out enough to get my day 1 vote, though it could easily be said that he's coming out too strongly to be bad...

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

The main thing that stands out to me is RendeR going so hard after Cronin/experienced players. Stands out enough to get my day 1 vote, though it could easily be said that he's coming out too strongly to be bad...

VOTE RENDER


My reasoning is simple, when the best players are on the bad side, they tend to win and win easily. Cronin in the last game is a god example of how even a lone wolf can manage to manipulate everyone into trusting him. With the dual factions setup of this game that danger is multiplied.
In a game where the 'bad guys' outnumber us good guys from the very beginning I think its just too dangerous to not go after the elite players as soon as possible.

*shrugs* thats just my opinion.

[Telle]

dola- I am out in a couple of minutes until after the deadline. My role is The Gadabout, pretty boring actually.

I am hoping by me revealing this first it buys some trust since it would be a HUGE chance to be the first person revealing and have it be a fake reveal, it would be pretty easy to get picked off.

But even if that's true, you could very well be one of the supporters. So even if we know that you're a guest that doesn't mean you can be trusted.

[RendeR]

Ok, I'm out till late late. Sorry to miss the deadlines tonight. I'll check in as soon as I can later.

[st.cronin]

I would actually argue that EagleFan played a stronger game than me, last time. At least, it really wasn't MUCH worse.

[oliegirl]

I'm fine with revealing my role...I'm the Colonel

All moved in, am at my parents picking up some stuff and then leaving, not sure if I'll be able to get access from the new place or not, so this might be my last post of the night.

I don't have a real reason to distrust someone enough to vote for them tonight, which is my reason for the No Lynch vote...I've never done a no lynch vote before because I hate them, and if I was going to be around to read and analyze things today, I'd probably vote differently. But I can't in good conscious vote for someone just to vote for them, I need some sort of a justifiable reason...if someone wants to try to convince me, make a case against another player, go for it...if I can hop on tonight I will, otherwise it will give me something to consider for tomorrow nights vote.

[Alan T]

For all of the no lynch fans out there.. I'll try to put a convincing arguement here via mathematics..

Assuming we don't know anything about people being the sympathizer in the guest ranks, we'll not look at that currently. With 4 reveals so far in the guest ranks, and no one disputing any claims, if you are a guest you can assume that you have 5 people you won't vote for (yourself and those 4).

So that leaves 14 people that you have to choose from to vote for. Out of those 14 people, 10 are not guests.

So any guest voting today, has a 71% chance of nailing someone that is not a guest today based on pure luck.

You mean to tell me you aren't going to take a shot in the dark that is better than a 2/3 chance of being right?

I definitly will be voting for someone who either votes for one of the revealed guests (without disputing the role), or someone who votes no lynch today.

Voting no lynch today is a very anti-guest move and I will punish for that.

[Alan T]

Dola,

I obviously will not be voting for Olliegirl for voting a no lynch as she has revealed as a guest role.. but I am definitly going to try to convince her that she is making a mistake. But its very obvious to me that if there ever was a day 1 to take a shot in the dark, its today. Try to nail a bad guy.. 2 of 3 people out there that you have to choose from are bad.. You have to have very bad luck to be wrong.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE ALAN T

I have 2 posts in the game so far and he's calling me out for sitting on the fence and being noncommittal? Could be a wolfish ploy to try to get a run on a villager on Day 1 since I have been dying Day 1 a lot lately it doesn't take a lot to get the run started.

Could also just be Alan with his usual suspiscion of me.

[Neon_Chaos]

List:
oliegirl - The Colonel
Arlington - The Socialite
Barkeep - Vicar

Has Alan T given up his role yet? He's the one who pushed for it.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola, seems like he hasn't.

oliegirl - the Colonel
Arlington - the Socialite
Lathum - the Gadabout
Barkeep - Vicar

It was your idea to reveal roles Alan T. I suggest that you reveal yours, or my vote is moving on to you.

[Barkeep49]

Neon, I'm glad you brought this up since I thought I must have just missed it. I take it you don't want to reveal then?

[Peregrine]

To clarify your night actions. Everyone should be giving me two actions, one for the Early Night phase and one for the Late Night phase. If you only give me one action, I will assume you do it Early and sleep Late.

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I'm glad you brought this up since I thought I must have just missed it. I take it you don't want to reveal then?

As I said earlier, I am willing to reveal. I just want to figure out first if AlanT is just trying a wolf trying to weed out the other wolf team by eliminating the revealed roles.

[Alan T]

I am the professor

Vote Neon_Chaos

I'm out until after lynch time tonight. Good luck guests.. Hope we are able to push through and force a lynch for those who are pushing against us.

[MrBug708]

Everytime I see the word vicar, I think back of the one friends episode where Joey finds Rachel's romance novel and thinks she's reading dirty books :)

[Neon_Chaos]

I am the professor

Vote Neon_Chaos

I'm out until after lynch time tonight. Good luck guests.. Hope we are able to push through and force a lynch for those who are pushing against us.

Alrightie then.

I am The Elderly Gent.

You really love voting for me, don't you?

[Neon_Chaos]

oliegirl - the Colonel
Arlington - the Socialite
Lathum - the Gadabout
Barkeep - the Vicar
Neon_Chaos - the Elderly Gent
Alan T - the Professor

[Barkeep49]

Out until closer to deadline but I've got to be honest, I'm not sold on revealing right now. Those of you that have, that's fine but I guess I'm not seeing it. I guess when we all reveal, the wolves can target each other by process of elimination but it also says, "Hey, come and get me."
This post troubles me. We already had 3 role reveals when this post was made and it's entirely possible there were going to be more before deadline. I don't see it as a target getting move, especially when the field of targets is going to be large.

[SnDvls]

it's tied 2-2 right now with Lathum & St. C and I don't like anyone with only one vote so I'll add a new name to the list I guess.

since he hasn't checked in so it's a placeholder pending his checking in.

vote Gonzo


didn't see anything in this thread saying he'd be out

[Neon_Chaos]

Barkeep, any idea who we should vote for?

I'm thinking of switching my no-lynch over to st.cro.

[ntndeacon]

Since ican't think of anyone else to vote for. I will go after Gonzo as well. That way we have a 3 way tie for 1st.

Vote Gonzo

[Neon_Chaos]

Unvote no-lynch
Vote Gonzo

Off to play CoH.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE ALAN T

VOTE NEON CHAOS

[path12]

BTW, I'm the eccentric. (No, I'm not). (Yes, I am).

[DaddyTorgo]

Neon's move there seems wolfish to me. And it's D1 and that's the best I have to go on

[Peregrine]

Looks like No Lynch and Gonzo are tied. (edit-sheesh, I can't add.) Still 4 no voters.

No Lynch - Eaglefan, oliegirl, st. cronin
st cronin - Barkeep49, RendeR
eaglefan - Lathum
DaddyTorgo - RPI-Fan
Lathum - Telle, ArlingtonColt
render - Path12
Neon_Chaos - Alan T, DaddyTorgo
Gonzo - SnDvls, ntndeacon, Neon_Chaos

[PurdueBrad]

I'm sort of back. Right now:

Vote Neon_Chaos

[PurdueBrad]

How important do we think searching for evidence is? I get the value of seeing someone do an attack (a la what happened to me last game). Is evidence the same kind of thing? Like we would find a paystub that says so and so is a worker? It seems that if we are going to be aggressive and reveal, we should be aggressive night two and start to actively pursue evidence if this is the case.

[Peregrine]

The evidence isn't anything specific, it's just some kind of generic thing like a dropped shoe "Then SoandSo must be the murderer!" It's basically just a way to control the voting a bit, or put a lot of extra pressure on someone. It would be equally good for the teams or the guests.

[PurdueBrad]

Peregrine, thanks for the quick response. So it comes down to how safe we want to play it. What are others' feelings on searching for evidence? I'm up for trying tonight.

[Peregrine]

Well the voting has passed and it's a tie! There are three votes for No Lynch, three votes for Gonzo, and three votes for Neon_Chaos. The Inspector listens to all your explanations about who the guilty party is, looks to the body, pauses a while with a glazed look in his eye, then finally says, "Well it's a hangin', isn't it? Guess no one's to blame. Well then, I'll take this body and get out of the way. Enjoy the party!"

No lynch tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Ok so we're past deadline right?

[Peregrine]

Get your actions to me by midnight if you haven't already!

[DaddyTorgo]

fucking no lynch bullshit.

grrrrr

[PurdueBrad]

fucking no lynch bullshit.

grrrrr

DT, I'll take the blame I guess. I assumed there would be some late movement or a couple of the no voters would come in the last twenty to twenty-five minutes since my vote. Given that I could've broken the tie and put my vote on Neon means that I set us back I guess.

[Barkeep49]

fucking no lynch bullshit.

grrrrr
While I'm upset about that, I do feel good about the info, true or not, that came out today. I feel like we have something to build on.

[path12]

DT, I'll take the blame I guess. I assumed there would be some late movement or a couple of the no voters would come in the last twenty to twenty-five minutes since my vote. Given that I could've broken the tie and put my vote on Neon means that I set us back I guess.

Nah, anyone could have broken that tie and nobody decided to. Not your fault any more than any of the rest of us.

[Alan T]

Tommorrow I'll likely vote for Purdue Brad.. he and DaddyTorgo both seem most likely to not be guests right now.

I still have my same reservations that I expressed yesterday about all of the guests revealing though. I am concerned with who will control the vote with that information. I am very curious to see how tonight goes.

[Barkeep49]

DT, I'll take the blame I guess. I assumed there would be some late movement or a couple of the no voters would come in the last twenty to twenty-five minutes since my vote. Given that I could've broken the tie and put my vote on Neon means that I set us back I guess.
That's strike two for you and as Michael Scott says "So this is his strike two. You know what they say, fool me once, strike one, but fool me twice... strike three." I think I'll be looking at you tomorrow, and say this knowing it could very well get me killed tonight.

[Alan T]

That's strike two for you and as Michael Scott says "So this is his strike two. You know what they say, fool me once, strike one, but fool me twice... strike three." I think I'll be looking at you tomorrow, and say this knowing it could very well get me killed tonight.


I'm not sure that it matters completely what his excuse was.. he knowingly put a guest on the line to possibly get lynched tonight. For me (and hopefully for you) that should be enough for us to lynch him tommorrow.

Now the question is if he was saving Gonzo or that was irrelevent to his action. Since the easiest way for him to have saved gonzo would have been to vote no lynch to ensure a no lynch, I'm not sure if Gonzo is involved in this or not.

So for now I'm sticking with DaddyTorgo and PurdueBrad tommorrow (both of whom clearly voted for someone on our team without regard)

[EagleFan]

I can vouch for ArlingtonColt being who he claims to be. I am a guest, one who drew a bad role. I am ArlingtonColt's Daughter

At the moment, one that's pumped up about the Phillies coming back from down 6-2 to now take a 7-6 lead. :D

[Alan T]

I would suggest no other guests reveal their roles tonight to make things easier on the other teams to figure out who to pick off..

I actually wasn't going to reveal my role at all today except it looked like I was suddenly getting heat from people who suggested that I was pushing for everyone to reveal. (I simply had tossed out the idea, but then later explained my second thoughts on it). I didn't want to risk being lynched while I wasn't here.

I just took a wild stab at neon before i left (and before he revealed), but since he was revealed as a guest, my only guess is that he mistook my strong encouragement to vote for people who voted for other guests as me pushing the idea of everyone to reveal.

[Lathum]

I can vouch for ArlingtonColt being who he claims to be. I am a guest, one who drew a bad role. I am ArlingtonColt's Daughter



I find this an odd time to reveal this information but don't dispute it.

[Barkeep49]

Alan I'm glad you revealed as I'd have voted for you otherwise since it did feel like you'd been instrumental in pushing the idea (despite reservations).

[Alan T]

Alan I'm glad you revealed as I'd have voted for you otherwise since it did feel like you'd been instrumental in pushing the idea (despite reservations).


Well, when I originally tossed out the idea, I thought it was a good idea. THe more I thought about it, the less I felt it was a good idea. However those that had revealed as guest changed the voting field, to where we had a 71% chance of getting a bad guy on sheer luck. I wasn't really pushing reveals, I was more pushing people who were guests to use the information we had received to intelligently vote to lynch one of the remaining people, as no lynch didn't help us.

I realized when I checked in before leaving for the night, that the ball was starting to roll thanks to Neon and DaddyTorgo and if I didn't reveal, I could very easily have ended up a lynch candidate myself.. so I chose to reveal there.

I still think those who haven't revealed yet might not want to just yet.. but with lynches being no-reveal I think it is very important that those who are on the line to be lynched do a reveal at least.

[EagleFan]

so faw we know that Lathum is on one of the non-guest teams. Sounds like a good place to start for the lynch victim tomorrow.

Guests unite!!!

[EagleFan]

Don't we also have to make sure we don't accidentally lynch one entire team first? Doesn't that qualify the other team for their victory condition?

[EagleFan]

Oh, and a lynch of Lathum could be just rewards for the not telling RPI his role last game... :D ;)


Everyone repeat after me... Lynch Lathum


Then we can work on that sneaky cronin... :)

[Lathum]

so faw we know that Lathum is on one of the non-guest teams. Sounds like a good place to start for the lynch victim tomorrow.

Guests unite!!!

ummmm, what?

[Lathum]

dola- I am out in a couple of minutes until after the deadline. My role is The Gadabout, pretty boring actually.
.

Guests

The Professor
The Gossip
The Vicar
The Colonel
The Gadabout
The Lush
The Socialite
The Eccentric
The Daughter
The Elderly Gent
The Neighbor

...

[Lathum]

well eaglefan?

I'm waiting...

[Barkeep49]

well eaglefan?

I'm waiting...
Of course you're waiting. You're a gadabout.

[Lathum]

I don't even know what a gadabout is

[Lathum]

So what do you all make of EagleFan at this point?

[Alan T]

So what do you all make of EagleFan at this point?

He revealed as a guest role either. for now thats good enough for me to not want to vote for him (same as with you). I am guessing he missed your reveal earlier or something, or just isn't thinking things through all the way or something..
Either way guest on guest crime isn't very productive for us.

[Peregrine]

I don't even know what a gadabout is


gad·a·bout /ˈgædhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngəˌbaʊt/ Pronunciation Key (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/) - Show Spelled Pronunciation (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/)[gad-uh-bout] Pronunciation (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/) –noun <table class="luna-Ent"><tbody><tr><td class="dn" valign="top">1.</td><td valign="top">a person who moves about restlessly or aimlessly, esp. from one social activity to another. </td></tr></tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"><tbody><tr><td class="dn" valign="top">2.</td><td valign="top">a person who travels often or to many different places, esp. for pleasure.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Lathum]

He revealed as a guest role either. for now thats good enough for me to not want to vote for him (same as with you). I am guessing he missed your reveal earlier or something, or just isn't thinking things through all the way or something..
Either way guest on guest crime isn't very productive for us.

I don't get where he is getting the impression I am not a guest, his over pursuit of me just seems so strange to me

[Alan T]

I don't get where he is getting the impression I am not a guest, his over pursuit of me just seems so strange to me

Im not sure, we'll have to hear that answer from him. To be fair I felt you overpursued him earlier today as well though (as I expressed my previous thoughts about him). If I had to guess it was your pushing at him that clouded him about you.

My personal thought is for now you both should just table it though, since going after each other just does the other teams jobs for them.

[Lathum]

Im not sure, we'll have to hear that answer from him. To be fair I felt you overpursued him earlier today as well though (as I expressed my previous thoughts about him). If I had to guess it was your pushing at him that clouded him about you.

My personal thought is for now you both should just table it though, since going after each other just does the other teams jobs for them.

How did I overpursue him?

I cast my vote and gave a reason for it, that was all.

[Alan T]

How did I overpursue him?

I cast my vote and gave a reason for it, that was all.

Ok, perhaps calling what you did "overpursuing" is incorrect. I personally felt his move that you found suspicious was actually very pro-villager. And I was not at all suprised that he ended up with a guest role based on that. So your finding it suspicious was about as completely opposite of my thoughts at the time.

THat said, viewing things from his perspective.. he is a fairly new player, who had a good game last game. He came out strong this game doing what he felt was a very pro-villager move, to which you responded negatively to it. I'm guessing he felt since he was obviously good (at least in his thoughts), your response indicated to him that you are bad.

Why he missed the fact you revealed as a guest and what that meant, I have no clue and we'll have to hear his side of the story. I guess my point is if you are a guest and he is a guest and its not roles in dispute.. then lets just set things aside and move on. Such as I'm doing with my difference of opinion with Neon earlier today.

[MrBug708]

Sorry I didn't vote tonight. I thought I would beat the deadline but ended up having a two hour meeting before I left and then sat in traffic for an hour and 45 minutes :(

[Alan T]

So, some thoughts running through my head right now...

I wonder how the various other teams are planning to play this. If they go after each other, they risk giving the guests an upper hand. If they go after the guest, they risk giving the other team an upper hand in numbers.

With three teams out, the numbers have to be kept in relative balance or you risk losing your foothold on the others. Do they risk going after one of the revealed guests such as myself, or try to take a gamble in finding the other team. They clearly don't want to accidentally hit their sympathizer, and there is nothing that says a revealed guest might or might not be a sympathizer.

I don't know if I have a feel for what they will be doing, I can see all kinds of ideas in my mind. Should be interesting how it plays out.

[Lathum]

I am off to bed, I am tempted to stay up for the results but I think they may take a while to process.

Hopefully I am alive in the morning.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan

i'm just a guest as well. I don't see sense in revealing at this point necessarily, but I happily will tomorrow if on the block.

Besides...keeping at least a couple guest roles secret increases the odds of a fake-reveal.

as for me...i voted for you and then I left the house from around right after that until 9:30pm. I didn't even see your reveal prior to voting (i don't think)

[Alan T]

alan

i'm just a guest as well. I don't see sense in revealing at this point necessarily, but I happily will tomorrow if on the block.

Besides...keeping at least a couple guest roles secret increases the odds of a fake-reveal.

as for me...i voted for you and then I left the house from around right after that until 9:30pm. I didn't even see your reveal prior to voting (i don't think)

Want to try again for a better explanation?

UNVOTE ALAN T

VOTE NEON CHAOS

[RendeR]

I hate waiting...

[Alan T]

I hate waiting...

Waiting to see the results if you managed to successfully kill me last night? :)

[RendeR]

Yes, yes indeed alan, I and my mighty bowl of RAMEN NOODLES are coming to constipate you to death.

[DaddyTorgo]

Want to try again for a better explanation?

lol. Oh that's right. I did unvote you. So what are you all over me for again? Because I voted for you before you revealed?

[DaddyTorgo]

peregrine...dunno if the rules said this: can items that we find while searching be passed?

[Peregrine]

Day 2

It was a bloody morning. During the night screams and the blast of a firearm were heard, and in the morning Eaglefan was found stabbed to death by a very sharp implement, Telle was hacked apart, and Barkeep49 was found blasted by what looks to be a shotgun.


Lathum
RendeR
Gonzo
ArlingtonColt
Neon_Chaos
PurdueBrad
RPI-Fan
Barkeep49 - shot to death - The Vicar
EagleFan - stabbed to death - The Daughter
MrBug708
St. Cronin
Oliegirl
ntndeacon
SnDvls
DaddyTorgo
Chief Run
Alan T
Telle - stabbed to death - The Cook
Path12

The Inspector arrives early to find a scene of carnage, his whiskers twitching as he imagines the kind of paperwork this will lead to. "Alright then, who's responsible for all this?"

Votes are due in by 8 pm

By the way, three people didn't send in actions last night and I am not pleased. Also, I recommend people to use the Guard action more often, as well as your special roles. Also, a rule clarification, you cannot make two attack actions in one night.

[Peregrine]

peregrine...dunno if the rules said this: can items that we find while searching be passed?

Yes, you can pass them if you like, let me know when you turn in your night actions and they will consider to be passed before the other actions take place.

[DaddyTorgo]

ouch!

-3 good guys!

I found a weapon last night FYI.

[MrBug708]

Damn!

[SnDvls]

vote RendeR

I was searching last night and saw him out...he had something in his hand that was dripping blood...I know he killed someone last night....BTW I am the neighbor.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alrightie then.

I am The Elderly Gent.

You really love voting for me, don't you?

UNVOTE ALAN T

VOTE NEON CHAOS


Vote DaddyTorgo

The only kind of guy who would willingly vote for an unchallenged villager is a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Ouch... Go Guests!!!

Good luck all... :) Well, not really all, good luck guests!!! ;)

Sorry I wasn't around enough to respond quickly. I worked crasy hours over the past couple days and generally haven't been around to post (or like tonight was so dead tired that I flat out fell asleep on the couch).

[Gonzo]

Sorry for not being around for the last day, team! I checked early yesterday and nothing was happening, and thought that we weren't going to start until after the weekend.

Give me some time to read through the thread.

[Alan T]

ouch!

-3 good guys!

I found a weapon last night FYI.

The Cook is not one of the "Good guys"

Unless I suppose you are on the workers team and in that case I guess you can state that. Of course if that is the case, then you aren't on my team.

[Alan T]

vote RendeR

I was searching last night and saw him out...he had something in his hand that was dripping blood...I know he killed someone last night....BTW I am the neighbor.

Sndvls,

I have no problem right now considering a Render vote, but I am assuming that the guests also will have an opportunity to have weapons and use them at night.. So what you saw could technically have been Render as a guest looking to kill a non-guest (if he went after Telle)..

In fact I think I'll start this rumor to get him in trouble with his wife.. J/k..

I think its pretty clear to me that DaddyTorgo is not a guest, and most likely Render isn't either.. However all of the guests have to be unified on a single target, or we won't have any hope of controlling a vote. So you and Neon need to pick the same target.. I think we can start considering guests that "break ranks" could likely be the sympathizers trying to protect the other teams.

I have no problem voting Render or DT today, but we should pick only one of the two.

[Gonzo]

I have no problem voting Render or DT today, but we should pick only one of the two.

We have to go with Render. The DT vote is just supposition at this moment, while with Render we do know he did kill someone tonight.

[Gonzo]

Was hoping to get someone else's thoughts, but I'll just vote Render since I have to go for a bit.

VOTE RENDER

[Barkeep49]

An early death relieves me of the problems of Yom Kippur. So thanks to the bastard who did me in, I guess.

[PurdueBrad]

Just got on. I searched last night and slept last night. I did not find anything suspicious. I'm glad to hear that somebody at least found a weapon. Good to see we dropped the cook too.

Is there an answer that I missed to the victory conditions. If we eliminate one entire team, does that give the win to the opposite team as opposed to the villagers? In other words, do we basically have to narrow each opposing team down to one and yet be careful to keep from lynching or losing that one in order to win?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote RendeR

[Alan T]

Was hoping to get someone else's thoughts, but I'll just vote Render since I have to go for a bit.

VOTE RENDER


Well I had posted my thoughts previously, but you convienantly ignored them. My guess is that you and DaddyTorgo are on one team while Render is on the other, and none of you three are guests.

[Alan T]

Just got on. I searched last night and slept last night. I did not find anything suspicious. I'm glad to hear that somebody at least found a weapon. Good to see we dropped the cook too.

Is there an answer that I missed to the victory conditions. If we eliminate one entire team, does that give the win to the opposite team as opposed to the villagers? In other words, do we basically have to narrow each opposing team down to one and yet be careful to keep from lynching or losing that one in order to win?


If all of the upstairs team is removed, the downstairs team wins.
If all of the downstairs team is removed, the upstairs team wins.
If after day 4, the guests (not counting sympathizers) outnumber both the upstairs and downstairs team combined, they win.

So right now, it looks like the upstairs team has the advantage to me.

[Lathum]

It seems EagleFan and Telle were killed in an attempt to set me up.

I can confirm SNDVLS was out last night, I saw him roaming around trying to stay quiet.

AlanT, may I ask what your actions were last night?

[oliegirl]

I'm here for a few minutes this morning, read through last night...I slept last night, glad I survived...

I'll be around throughout the day, I have some meetings but will be checking in periodically and will cast my vote long before deadline...

[Alan T]

It seems EagleFan and Telle were killed in an attempt to set me up.

I can confirm SNDVLS was out last night, I saw him roaming around trying to stay quiet.

AlanT, may I ask what your actions were last night?

Lathum, I still don't understand why you are after people who are guests? Are you a sympathizer?

I went searching, and I will be able to prove it later when I post the evidence that I found for whomever I go after with my vote. I've just been waiting in hopes to talk some sense into my fellow guests in trying to pick a common target instead of scattering votes everywhere.

[oliegirl]

Lathum, I still don't understand why you are after people who are guests? Are you a sympathizer?

I went searching, and I will be able to prove it later when I post the evidence that I found for whomever I go after with my vote. I've just been waiting in hopes to talk some sense into my fellow guests in trying to pick a common target instead of scattering votes everywhere.

AlanT, I'm willing to vote with you and give you my trust today...I'm heading out but will catch up when I get back on later.

[Alan T]

AlanT, I'm willing to vote with you and give you my trust today...I'm heading out but will catch up when I get back on later.


Well my guess right now is that neither DaddyTorgo or Render are guests and I am guessing they both are on opposite teams.

Right now for guest votes, we have:

Neon voted for DaddyTorgo
Sndvls voted for Render.

Render has a bigger lead with 2 other non-revealed guests piling on to him (PurdueBrad and Gonzo).

The evidence against each of them:
DT voted for a revealed guest after Neon had revealed in an attempt to lynch him yesterday.
Render was spotted last night by a revealed guest (Sndvls) with a bloody knife and likely guilty for one of the night kills.

So right now, I think either of them are fine choices, my hopes are that all of the guests vote together as a block though, or we're going to be outnumbered very fast in this one. It seems likely that the upstairs team is trying to go after the downstairs team and win fast, but the downstairs team went after us last night. So I'm curious if the downstairs team is going to continue to go after us, or return the favor tonight.

[Lathum]

Lathum, I still don't understand why you are after people who are guests? Are you a sympathizer?

I went searching, and I will be able to prove it later when I post the evidence that I found for whomever I go after with my vote. I've just been waiting in hopes to talk some sense into my fellow guests in trying to pick a common target instead of scattering votes everywhere.

Who said I am going after anyone?

You are being awefully defensive, please show me where in ANY of my posts I go anfter anyone?

I saw you out last night trying to act quiet, I am just curious what you are up to. That is all.

I figure it is best to get info out early, especially on a friday

[Telle]

Well that was disappointing. Now that I actually have time to play, I'm dead.

Go servants!! :)

[Lathum]

...he had something in his hand that was dripping blood...I know he killed someone last night....BTW I am the neighbor.



Render was spotted last night by a revealed guest (Sndvls) with a bloody knife and likely guilty for one of the night kills.



hmmmmm

I don't recall sndvls saying the weapon was a knife, just saying...

[Alan T]

Who said I am going after anyone?

You are being awefully defensive, please show me where in ANY of my posts I go anfter anyone?

I saw you out last night trying to act quiet, I am just curious what you are up to. That is all.

I figure it is best to get info out early, especially on a friday

Well I was kind of trying to not tell what I was up to in order to use it as suprise later if need be *shrug*..

[Alan T]

This is the list I have currently:

Upstairs
-------------------------
Mr. Winston
Mrs. Winston
Daria Winston
Joseph Winston

Downstairs
--------------------------
The Butler
The Chambermaid
The Cook Telle (dead)
The Driver

Guests
--------------------------
The Professor Alan T
The Gossip
The Vicar Barkeep (dead)
The Colonel Olliegirl
The Gadabout Lathum
The Lush
The Socialite ArlingtonColt
The Eccentric path12
The Daughter Eaglefan (dead)
The Elderly Gent neon_chaos
The Neighbor Sndvls

Unrevealed
------------------------------------------------

RendeR
Gonzo
PurdueBrad
RPI-Fan
Barkeep49
MrBug708
St. Cronin
ntndeacon
DaddyTorgo
Chief Rum

[Alan T]

hmmmmm

I don't recall sndvls saying the weapon was a knife, just saying...

See, this is exactly the type of post I'm talking about. You say you aren't going after guests but so far you are focusing more on them than the other teams. Right now I'm guessing you are one of the sympathizers.

Maybe you are right, maybe Render just cut himself shaving or something.. I'm not sure why else his hand would be Dripping with blood. Its pretty obvious to me that Sndvls caught him redhanded last night killing -someone-

[Lathum]

That post was the first time I have even remotly gone after anyone.

I actualy think you are the sympathizer. I've seen you play this game before.

I just want to get that info out there now in case I am killed tonight. It seems Render is a likely lynch candidate tonight. I am just trying to get some discussion going. If it gets me killed so be it.

[Lathum]

dola- I just looked back and saw it say they were stabbed in the write up so I guess I will retract my statement somewhat, that being said I still think something is off about you.

[Alan T]

dola- I just looked back and saw it say they were stabbed in the write up so I guess I will retract my statement somewhat, that being said I still think something is off about you.

You are bizzarre.

I give up. Guests vote for all different random people and let them pick us off one by one..

We're going to lose and lose badly. If you aren't the sympathizer Lathum, then I just don't know what to make of your game so far.

[Neon_Chaos]

Guys, let's just get DT and get this over with.

PurdueBrad is probably not a guest as well. Smells wolfie to me.

[Lathum]

You are bizzarre.

I give up. Guests vote for all different random people and let them pick us off one by one..

We're going to lose and lose badly. If you aren't the sympathizer Lathum, then I just don't know what to make of your game so far.

Likewise.

You are basicly attacking me for no reason say I am "going after" known villagers.

1. I haven't even cast a vote today

2. all I did was remotely question YOUR play and you responded strongly.


Here is a list of the people who have revealed as guests

The Professor Alan T
The Gossip
The Vicar Barkeep (dead)
The Colonel Olliegirl
The Gadabout Lathum
The Lush
The Socialite ArlingtonColt
The Eccentric path12
The Daughter Eaglefan (dead)
The Elderly Gent neon_chaos
The Neighbor Sndvls

With the exception of my day 1 vote please show me where in ANY of my posts I have "gone after" anyof these people, as you say?

The only other one I mentioned is you, because I have seen this from you before.

You are completly putting words in my mouth. My vote today will be for Render but I will be looking closely at you in the future.

[Alan T]

Guys, let's just get DT and get this over with.

PurdueBrad is probably not a guest as well. Smells wolfie to me.


Neon, since you are the only vote on DT and there are 3 on Render, why not move to Render instead and lets take care of him today? I think there is decent evidence against both DT and Render here and you moving over can help ensure we have a block of voters.
Lathum has already indicated he was going to vote for render, and that is where I am leaning as well.

[Alan T]

Likewise.

You are basicly attacking me for no reason say I am "going after" known villagers.

1. I haven't even cast a vote today

2. all I did was remotely question YOUR play and you responded strongly.


Here is a list of the people who have revealed as guests

The Professor Alan T
The Gossip
The Vicar Barkeep (dead)
The Colonel Olliegirl
The Gadabout Lathum
The Lush
The Socialite ArlingtonColt
The Eccentric path12
The Daughter Eaglefan (dead)
The Elderly Gent neon_chaos
The Neighbor Sndvls

With the exception of my day 1 vote please show me where in ANY of my posts I have "gone after" anyof these people, as you say?

The only other one I mentioned is you, because I have seen this from you before.

You are completly putting words in my mouth. My vote today will be for Render but I will be looking closely at you in the future.

You are going after me heavier than going after Render, even tossing out the whole (how do we know Render was the killer, Sndvls didn't say he had a knife) line you tried to throw out before you noticed that the death actually stated he was stabbed.

I have no problem with you trying to throw suspicion my way, maybe it will help keep me alive longer *shrug*. Either way, I'm not voting for you for a while. I'm far more interested in trying to kill off the upstairs and downstairs teams. You very likely are a sympathizer to one of those teams, but its not a good move for us to try to narrow that down until we get in a better shape numberwise.

[Lathum]

Neon, since you are the only vote on DT and there are 3 on Render, why not move to Render instead and lets take care of him today? I think there is decent evidence against both DT and Render here and you moving over can help ensure we have a block of voters.
Lathum has already indicated he was going to vote for render, and that is where I am leaning as well.

don't try to get in my good graces by aligning yourself with me. I'm onto you.

[DaddyTorgo]

"let's just get DT"

might make sense if I wasn't a guest Neon.

VOTE RENDER

and i'm holding onto who I am in order to still allow for someone to try to claim my role. if i'm in danger later I will (reluctantly) reveal though.

[Alan T]

Vote Render

This game is a bit different than others where I usually want to keep the vote closer so we can hopefully learn something from the vote. THis game is the opposite. Out of the 10 people not revealed, I know 80% of them are not guests, and those that are guests would likely reveal if their necks are on the line for a lynch.

So I don't know that there is alot to learn from the lynch votes other than perhaps who might or might not be a sympathizer, but for the same reason as I'm not pushing a Lathum vote any time soon, thats the least of my concerns right now.

[Lathum]

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I don't want to be assosiated in any way with anything AlanT does.

including spelling correctly and proper grammer.

[DaddyTorgo]

figure there's the gossip and the lush left...so I must be one of the two.

I hinted at which before BTW. After checking in on D1 and before voting.

[Alan T]

don't try to get in my good graces by aligning yourself with me. I'm onto you.

You are really amazing. I was talking about voting either Render or DT since before you even woke up. Did you even read the stuff I posted, or just spend time trying to figure out how to make other guests suspicious looking? All morning I have spent saying that we should go for either of them, but all of the guest votes should be together on one person. Since Render has a clear lead in votes, it seems like the best place to go to ensure that another guest is not lynched. Thats all I care about right now. You on the other hand have some other motive that is pretty clear.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting vote lathum...wtf?

I think you may have nailed it earlier alan...lathum's the sympathizer and he's just playing a "stay alive as long as I can and throw as much shit around and create chaos" kind of role

[PurdueBrad]

[quote=Alan T;1552103]Out of the 10 people not revealed, I know 80% of them are not guests, and those that are guests would likely reveal if their necks are on the line for a lynch.
[quote]

Alan, I would go out on a limb and say that no more than 80% are not guests. There is at least one fake reveal but right now, the smart play IMHO is to not chase it because we need to leave one person from each team alive to win. When push comes to shove, I'll reveal which would put up the fake but until then, I can name one wolf, just not sure which team. That is what I'm really trying to learn from the votes, where the split is between the other two teams.

[Alan T]

All i can say is if Lathum isn't a sympathizer, he really doesn't want to win the game. I think I'll just leave it at that. He obviously knows if he is the sympathizer, and if he isn't and is just being stubborn, well then pushing him further isn't going to change that. And I have no reason or desire to draw anyone to vote for Lathum at all. I honestly don't care if DT gets voted out either. I don't believe that DT is a guest at all.

[DaddyTorgo]

[quote=Alan T;1552103]Out of the 10 people not revealed, I know 80% of them are not guests, and those that are guests would likely reveal if their necks are on the line for a lynch.
[quote]

Alan, I would go out on a limb and say that no more than 80% are not guests. There is at least one fake reveal but right now, the smart play IMHO is to not chase it because we need to leave one person from each team alive to win. When push comes to shove, I'll reveal which would put up the fake but until then, I can name one wolf, just not sure which team. That is what I'm really trying to learn from the votes, where the split is between the other two teams.

now that you have said this you need to tell us before night actions tonight, otherwise we run the risk of you taking the information to your grave

[Lathum]

[quote=Alan T;1552103]Out of the 10 people not revealed, I know 80% of them are not guests, and those that are guests would likely reveal if their necks are on the line for a lynch.
[quote]

Alan, I would go out on a limb and say that no more than 80% are not guests. There is at least one fake reveal but right now, the smart play IMHO is to not chase it because we need to leave one person from each team alive to win. When push comes to shove, I'll reveal which would put up the fake but until then, I can name one wolf, just not sure which team. That is what I'm really trying to learn from the votes, where the split is between the other two teams.


If you have a role to counter I suggest you do it before the night phase, currently you have just put a huge target on your back

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...between my check-in post and my first post voting on D1...I hinted at my role. you ought to be able to figure it out.

[Alan T]

[quote=Alan T;1552103]Out of the 10 people not revealed, I know 80% of them are not guests, and those that are guests would likely reveal if their necks are on the line for a lynch.
[quote]

Alan, I would go out on a limb and say that no more than 80% are not guests. There is at least one fake reveal but right now, the smart play IMHO is to not chase it because we need to leave one person from each team alive to win. When push comes to shove, I'll reveal which would put up the fake but until then, I can name one wolf, just not sure which team. That is what I'm really trying to learn from the votes, where the split is between the other two teams.

I disagree fully. If you are claiming to have a role that someone else has claimed, I think it should be revealed. In this game there are no reveals on lynches, just at night kills. I think you holding on to this puts more doubt into my mind that you are the one lying and just picking and choosing whom to put into doubt. I think by coming out with this dispute right away accomplishes two things.. 1) You won't be killed by at least one team at night if you are telling the truth (or if you are the one lying, the same applies to the other person).. and 2) it helps us narrow down a field a bit further to what claims are out there.

[DaddyTorgo]

there's a bunch of us on...let's hear it now Purdue. Who do you claim is falsely claiming a role?

[Lathum]

I am off for a while.

PurdueBrad, I strongly suggest you counter that reveal asap.

[PurdueBrad]

Lathum, I have the power to protect myself tonight as much as necessary.

I would suggest this, in order to try and build a COT that our seer scan me tonight. From there, we can start to circle the wagons around a few trusted villagers. Right now, I feel that Alan is perhaps my most trusted and, if he says he trusts Lathum, I'll give Lathum that leeway as well.

[Alan T]

alan...between my check-in post and my first post voting on D1...I hinted at my role. you ought to be able to figure it out.

I'll g o back and look. Right now though, Lathum's move has made me feel much better about my vote. He originally came out trying to throw some doubt into if Render was the killer until he backed off of that statement, then used my voting for Render as a way to try to put a vote elsewhere. I still don't know if I believe you, but Lathum might have bought you a day at least in my eyes.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. And the target grows.

[DaddyTorgo]

like I said...if my neck is on the line at any point I will of course reveal. Just want to try to...leave it out there for someone else to be forced to claim my role

[Neon_Chaos]

like I said...if my neck is on the line at any point I will of course reveal. Just want to try to...leave it out there for someone else to be forced to claim my role

Right. You're not fooling anyone, wolf.

[Alan T]

Lathum, I have the power to protect myself tonight as much as necessary.

I would suggest this, in order to try and build a COT that our seer scan me tonight. From there, we can start to circle the wagons around a few trusted villagers. Right now, I feel that Alan is perhaps my most trusted and, if he says he trusts Lathum, I'll give Lathum that leeway as well.


Yeah... I don't get why you would have me as your most trusted at all. Until you counter-reveal, I'm not sure I believe your story much. I'm not even sure if the guests even have a seer to scan you. The rules state each team, the upstairs and the downstairs, have a seer. It doesn't mention the guests at all.. And even if we did have a seer, you think he should come out and reveal himself in order to vouch for you?

I think this game is quite interesting as a deviant game in the sense that its Barkeep's dream game.. a ton of information was put out there for us to do stuff with.. There are a very small number of guest roles not revealed yet. So if you are claiming a fake reveal, its very important to come out with it asap. To not do so will put your counter reveal in doubt and possibly hurt us badly. (See a couple of games ago when I actually did a fake reveal and was still able to convince people I wasn't the one lying because of when the counter reveal came out).

[DaddyTorgo]

Right. You're not fooling anyone, wolf.

jeez Neon. You're a smarter player than to hold a grudge for a D1 vote. Right now my vote is on you as the person faking a role.

if I was a wolf I would have claimed a role earlier...or at least come out and claimed it now while there was still doubt, before someone else had the opportunity to claim it, instead of waiting as long as possible

[Alan T]

like I said...if my neck is on the line at any point I will of course reveal. Just want to try to...leave it out there for someone else to be forced to claim my role

So DT, explain this..

If you really are a guest, why in the world would you have voted for another guest when he had already revealed as a guest, and you had like a 70% chance of picking a non-guest if you had chosen ANYONE else? Your vote put a fellow guest at risk of being lynched and also in a sense saved Gonzo from dying.

So why wouldn't we find that suspicious?

[PurdueBrad]

hmmm. And the target grows.

Then target me. I am doing what I believe to be the right play here. I've been against reveals all along because it sets us up to picked off. The one good thing I guess is that it has drawn people out or shut people off into their various factions. My goal is to get my second win as a villager. I will use my power to protect as many early and late night cycles as needed but would prefer not to have to, spreading it out might be more beneficial.

As I said, scan me. We know there are special powers among us, use them.

[Peregrine]

Just some game design notes on this one. I ran a two team game in one of my early ones, the River of Darkness, which also had secret roles. It went well but I always felt the non-wolves needed more of a role, in that game it felt like they were just standing around trying to survive. So in this game I gave them a specific victory condition that would allow them to get a solid win.

[DaddyTorgo]

So DT, explain this..

If you really are a guest, why in the world would you have voted for another guest when he had already revealed as a guest, and you had like a 70% chance of picking a non-guest if you had chosen ANYONE else? Your vote put a fellow guest at risk of being lynched and also in a sense saved Gonzo from dying.

So why wouldn't we find that suspicious?

his moves right before I voted for him seemed suspicious and at that point there were still a number of guest roles left un-revealed I believe. I was banking on him being either a wolf with a fake role or a sympathizer.

I don't recall at what time I cast that vote to be honest, but I think I cast that vote and then got up and left my computer until after deadline.

I hadn't really..."plugged into" the game yet as it were. I was busy all day up until 6:30pm, got on to catch up for the first time at like...7pm or so

*shrug* it's the truth.

Hey...do we state in-thread we want to use our evidence, or PM it to peregrine?

[RendeR]

Lathum, I have the power to protect myself tonight as much as necessary.

I would suggest this, in order to try and build a COT that our seer scan me tonight. From there, we can start to circle the wagons around a few trusted villagers. Right now, I feel that Alan is perhaps my most trusted and, if he says he trusts Lathum, I'll give Lathum that leeway as well.


Umm, Brad...yo...BRAAAaaaad....did you read the rules? ;)

The only teams with seers are the upstairs and downstairs. Of which you are now pretty solidly part of one or the other.

Now, as for SNDevils seing me last night I cry WOLF!

It was ME that saw HIM running around with a bloody KNIFE specifically. I didn't see which room as I apparently ran like a scared litle girl when I saw him dripping his way down the hallway.

SNDVLS is the culprit here!!

Man i hate it when I don't check in immediately in the morning and everyon piles on before I can even respond.

I didn't kill ANYONE. I searched and slept last night and while searching spotted SNDvls roaming the halls with a blood covered knife.

[Neon_Chaos]

jeez Neon. You're a smarter player than to hold a grudge for a D1 vote. Right now my vote is on you as the person faking a role.

if I was a wolf I would have claimed a role earlier...or at least come out and claimed it now while there was still doubt, before someone else had the opportunity to claim it, instead of waiting as long as possible

Lol. I dare ANYONE to come out and call himself the Elderly Gent.

You slipped with your D1 vote, voting for a revealed role, and you're trying to turn it back.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah... I don't get why you would have me as your most trusted at all. Until you counter-reveal, I'm not sure I believe your story much. I'm not even sure if the guests even have a seer to scan you. The rules state each team, the upstairs and the downstairs, have a seer. It doesn't mention the guests at all.. And even if we did have a seer, you think he should come out and reveal himself in order to vouch for you?


Alan, you've stepped to the head of the house as a strong personality and helpful. Your play isn't crying out for conversion and nobody has challenged your reveal, so I'm pretty sure those two things right now put you at the head of trusted. Show me somebody else that has been as big a leader?

As for the seer, I'm assuming, based on some comments about "using your special powers" and other knowledge that we likely have a seer among us and NO, I do not want a reveal. I was asking for something more subtle as a move of support once scanned but that, at this point, would probably not be a great move either. Honestly, I had thought that maybe you were our seer, so a scan, proof, and then simple word of support from one of our forefront members would've cast off suspicion PLUS put somebody else in the loop about my role.

Honestly, let me reconsider outing the fake reveal, as I do understand it puts a target on me for tonight although I feel safe at night. I will consider doing it though to gain trust of the other guests.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm. Guess there's no point in using evidence if it's a runaway on render though.

[PurdueBrad]

I did read the rules, and see that "each team" has a seer but I do also see where the rules go on to talk about "upstairs and downstairs". I believe that there are surprises built into the game that may not be listed.

[Alan T]

Alan, you've stepped to the head of the house as a strong personality and helpful. Your play isn't crying out for conversion and nobody has challenged your reveal, so I'm pretty sure those two things right now put you at the head of trusted. Show me somebody else that has been as big a leader?

As for the seer, I'm assuming, based on some comments about "using your special powers" and other knowledge that we likely have a seer among us and NO, I do not want a reveal. I was asking for something more subtle as a move of support once scanned but that, at this point, would probably not be a great move either. Honestly, I had thought that maybe you were our seer, so a scan, proof, and then simple word of support from one of our forefront members would've cast off suspicion PLUS put somebody else in the loop about my role.

Honestly, let me reconsider outing the fake reveal, as I do understand it puts a target on me for tonight although I feel safe at night. I will consider doing it though to gain trust of the other guests.


Nope, I'm not a seer, and I've given as much of a hint about my role as I plan to in what I said before that my special ability has absolutely nothing to do with the name of my role at all (at least as far as I could imagine.)

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting story RendeR.

Neon - I didn't slip-up. I still maintain that your posts immediately before I switched to you screamed wolf-friendly to me.

[PurdueBrad]

So RendeR and Sndevil have countering evidence claims. If we lynch badly tonight, we know the safe bet tomorrow. I'm going to look back at RendeR and Sndevil's plays to see which way I want to go after the counter. For now...

unvote RendeR

[Neon_Chaos]

interesting story RendeR.

Neon - I didn't slip-up. I still maintain that your posts immediately before I switched to you screamed wolf-friendly to me.

Mmhmm. Let's take a look back at then.

Post 10:
Checking in. Guest here.

Post 26:
vote No Lynch

Here are my explanations for No Lynch:

Post 38:
I'm all good with a mass reveal.

I just don't want to lynch right now, because roles aren't revealed on lynches, right?

Post 40:
My argument for the no-lynch would be that since roles aren't revealed during lynches, we really don't have anything revealed to us, even though we lynch someone.

We would be taking someone out and not gain anything from it. Bad trade-off, IMO.

Reveals were made, and Alan T hadn't revealed yet.

Post 75:
List:
oliegirl - The Colonel
Arlington - The Socialite
Barkeep - Vicar

Has Alan T given up his role yet? He's the one who pushed for it.

Post 76:
dola, seems like he hasn't.

oliegirl - the Colonel
Arlington - the Socialite
Lathum - the Gadabout
Barkeep - Vicar

It was your idea to reveal roles Alan T. I suggest that you reveal yours, or my vote is moving on to you.

Post 79:
As I said earlier, I am willing to reveal. I just want to figure out first if AlanT is just trying a wolf trying to weed out the other wolf team by eliminating the revealed roles.

Alan T reveals, and I reveal as well. At this point, I was sold on Alan T's plan.

Post 82:
Alrightie then.

I am The Elderly Gent.

You really love voting for me, don't you?

Post 83:
oliegirl - the Colonel
Arlington - the Socialite
Lathum - the Gadabout
Barkeep - the Vicar
Neon_Chaos - the Elderly Gent
Alan T - the Professor


Trying to look for someone to vote with before running off to play City of Heroes.

Post 86:
Barkeep, any idea who we should vote for?

I'm thinking of switching my no-lynch over to st.cro.

At this point, ntnDeacon put another vote on Gonzo, so I decided to just pile on and play Alan's odds.

Post 88:
Unvote no-lynch
Vote Gonzo

Off to play CoH.

Ok, DT, show me wolf-friendliness?

[Neon_Chaos]

I am ambivalent between Render and SnDvls. I knew RendeR would probably pull the counter-reveal as well... it's going to be dicey to pick which one is lying. Bah.

[DaddyTorgo]

Neon - 76, 86, 88 just shouted "wolf trying to find a bandwagon and then drop a vote and run"

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting between render and sndvls...maybe someone else will be able to corroborate

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon - 76, 86, 88 just shouted "wolf trying to find a bandwagon and then drop a vote and run"

But you forget, NOONE has claimed my role at all. I'm not leaning towards any direction and was ambivalent regarding who to vote for. And you still vote for me, when you could have voted for some 7 or 8 other guys? Jeez.

Ah, what's the point of trying to explain myself to a wolf? :)

[PurdueBrad]

There was corroboration somewhere (Lathum) I believe saying that they saw Sndvls out. It looks like, from the revealed evidence that if it were a killer, there was mention of a weapon or blood. Although I guess the line about him trying to be quiet could be damning as well. I'm going to go back and look at votes and try to choose that way.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm not a wolf though. Or a sympathizer.

true that no one had claimed your role. But you could have used a role of one of the people who wasn't online, or you could be a sympathizer still.

And honestly I figured it was a D1 vote. I hadn't been plugged into the D1 discussion and done the math enough to realize that it might be a critical vote. Just figured I didn't want to bandwagon onto someone and I'd rather cast a statement vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

There was corroboration somewhere (Lathum) I believe saying that they saw Sndvls out. It looks like, from the revealed evidence that if it were a killer, there was mention of a weapon or blood. Although I guess the line about him trying to be quiet could be damning as well. I'm going to go back and look at votes and try to choose that way.

quiet could just mean "sneaking around trying not to be noticed and killed" but you're right PB there was a line from lathum about that. Nice catch

[SnDvls]

RendeR - if you are so sure then why don't he give us your guest role? or are you going to try and claim my role as well there too?

good try

[SnDvls]

It seems EagleFan and Telle were killed in an attempt to set me up.

I can confirm SNDVLS was out last night, I saw him roaming around trying to stay quiet.

AlanT, may I ask what your actions were last night?




Who said I am going after anyone?

You are being awefully defensive, please show me where in ANY of my posts I go anfter anyone?

I saw you out last night trying to act quiet, I am just curious what you are up to. That is all.

I figure it is best to get info out early, especially on a friday

Bolded part by me

quote #1 about me
qutoe #2 about Alan

we both were out searching last night it seems not killing people

[DaddyTorgo]

if Alan confirms he was out searching last night SnDvls, I think that goes a long way towards assuring that RendeR is the higher-probability target

[RendeR]

RendeR - if you are so sure then why don't he give us your guest role? or are you going to try and claim my role as well there too?

good try


My role is not listed in the rules. I am keeping it quiet because I didn't want that to be a reason for people to go after me. People never need a valid reason to vote for me, its the popular thing to do.

Someone else saw me running away from you, I wasn't told who, but I hope they come forward and expose your lies.

[Neon_Chaos]

Will be out for nearly the entire day after lunch. Company picnic.

Seems like the decision tonight is either Render or SnDvls, I'm moving my vote later.

It doesn't look good for you, Render.

[PurdueBrad]

if Alan confirms he was out searching last night SnDvls, I think that goes a long way towards assuring that RendeR is the higher-probability target

I could go along with this. Although looking at N1 votes, RendeR voted with Barkeep (a proven guest) against an unproven entity (St.Cronin) whereas SNDevils voted with Neon (who has come under some fire) and NTN who is an unknown entity against a still unknown entity (Gonzo). I'm not quite sure what all that means except that if we don't get corroboration from Alan, then I may give benefit of the doubt to RendeR based on siding with Barkeep. But it's a slim range.

[Neon_Chaos]

I could go along with this. Although looking at N1 votes, RendeR voted with Barkeep (a proven guest) against an unproven entity (St.Cronin) whereas SNDevils voted with Neon (who has come under some fire) and NTN who is an unknown entity against a still unknown entity (Gonzo). I'm not quite sure what all that means except that if we don't get corroboration from Alan, then I may give benefit of the doubt to RendeR based on siding with Barkeep. But it's a slim range.

Wolf covering fellow wolf's tracks.

[DaddyTorgo]

My role is not listed in the rules. I am keeping it quiet because I didn't want that to be a reason for people to go after me. People never need a valid reason to vote for me, its the popular thing to do.

Someone else saw me running away from you, I wasn't told who, but I hope they come forward and expose your lies.

interesting. I hope that person comes forward. additional corroborating evidence would be nice.

[RendeR]

Will be out for nearly the entire day after lunch. Company picnic.

Seems like the decision tonight is either Render or SnDvls, I'm moving my vote later.

It doesn't look good for you, Render.

If it comes to that I will reveal my role fully. There are specific reasons for why I cannot at this point.

[PurdueBrad]

Wolf covering fellow wolf's tracks.

Neon, I'm pretty sure my saying "could go along with this" is dependent on a third party revealing information. Otherwise, I sort of laid out the opposite track here, saying that I was more willing to give RendeR the benefit. If that is how you want to read it though, that's fine.

[RendeR]

hmm. Guess there's no point in using evidence if it's a runaway on render though.

I missed this earlier, If the evidence points at someone else please do use it. My role is beneficial to the guests but becomes worthless if revealed, so if you can point out evidence to someone else get it out there!

[path12]

The evidence against each of them:
DT voted for a revealed guest after Neon had revealed in an attempt to lynch him yesterday.
Render was spotted last night by a revealed guest (Sndvls) with a bloody knife and likely guilty for one of the night kills.

So right now, I think either of them are fine choices, my hopes are that all of the guests vote together as a block though, or we're going to be outnumbered very fast in this one.

Catching up. Actually, I think that someone who has been witnessed is a far better choice than one who (although I think it likely he is not a guest just by the post Alan quoted earlier more than his vote) is not a certainty. I'm much more in favor of the RendeR move.

[path12]

interesting vote lathum...wtf?

I think you may have nailed it earlier alan...lathum's the sympathizer and he's just playing a "stay alive as long as I can and throw as much shit around and create chaos" kind of role

How can you be surprised by a vote for you? You are one of the acknowledged two candidates today. And I don't believe for a minute that you are a guest.

[DaddyTorgo]

you don't path? *shrug* fine...I am. I will reveal if necessary as I have said all along.

much more interested in what we think about RendeR claiming to have a role beneficial to us guests that is worthless if revealed. Do we buy that and go after SnDvls instead, saving RendeR for the 2nd choice? Or do we think it's a load of BS? (more what i'm leaning towards)

[SnDvls]

Wolf covering fellow wolf's tracks.

my thoughts too as PB conviently forgets I voted first and clearly stated why.

[DaddyTorgo]

PB also still has that info he's holding onto for now (allegedly) about someone faking a reveal...

[path12]

Alan, you've stepped to the head of the house as a strong personality and helpful. Your play isn't crying out for conversion and nobody has challenged your reveal, so I'm pretty sure those two things right now put you at the head of trusted. Show me somebody else that has been as big a leader?

Leader doesn't mean trust in my book. Leader usually means I need to take a much closer look at that person. And since Alan tends to be a leader, that means I usually don't trust Alan for awhile...... :)

[path12]

you don't path? *shrug* fine...I am. I will reveal if necessary as I have said all along.

much more interested in what we think about RendeR claiming to have a role beneficial to us guests that is worthless if revealed. Do we buy that and go after SnDvls instead, saving RendeR for the 2nd choice? Or do we think it's a load of BS? (more what i'm leaning towards)

BTW, it's not your vote that makes me think that. It's the fact you said that three good guys were killed last night.

[SnDvls]

Leader doesn't mean trust in my book. Leader usually means I need to take a much closer look at that person. And since Alan tends to be a leader, that means I usually don't trust Alan for awhile...... :)

to add to this in one of Alan's 1st games he was a "leader" and very helpful...but was a wolf and a very good one at that so I am always leary of him early on too. Because of that he really has to earn my trust in games.

[DaddyTorgo]

BTW, it's not your vote that makes me think that. It's the fact you said that three good guys were killed last night.

eh...so I saw 3 deaths and didn't really stop to read their roles and connect in my mind that cook=servent=bad guy. I was a little ummm...distracted at that time ;)

[Alan T]

I could go along with this. Although looking at N1 votes, RendeR voted with Barkeep (a proven guest) against an unproven entity (St.Cronin) whereas SNDevils voted with Neon (who has come under some fire) and NTN who is an unknown entity against a still unknown entity (Gonzo). I'm not quite sure what all that means except that if we don't get corroboration from Alan, then I may give benefit of the doubt to RendeR based on siding with Barkeep. But it's a slim range.

I already stated what I did last night, and based on Lathum's observation of Sndvls and myself last night, I bye Sndvls story alot more than Render's story. I don't trust Lathum too much right now, but I do believe he is a guest (even if a sympathizer), thus wouldnt have PM rights to stage an elaborate setup of Render in this fashion..

My role is not listed in the rules. I am keeping it quiet because I didn't want that to be a reason for people to go after me. People never need a valid reason to vote for me, its the popular thing to do.

Someone else saw me running away from you, I wasn't told who, but I hope they come forward and expose your lies.

As I just stated above, I don't buy your counter reveal, and I buy this even less. My vote is staying on you.

you don't path? *shrug* fine...I am. I will reveal if necessary as I have said all along.

much more interested in what we think about RendeR claiming to have a role beneficial to us guests that is worthless if revealed. Do we buy that and go after SnDvls instead, saving RendeR for the 2nd choice? Or do we think it's a load of BS? (more what i'm leaning towards)

I still don't believe you either, and feel right now that you and Render are on opposing bad guy teams.

Leader doesn't mean trust in my book. Leader usually means I need to take a much closer look at that person. And since Alan tends to be a leader, that means I usually don't trust Alan for awhile...... :)

Thats fine with me. I am quite suprised that Purduebrad has me as his most trusted. perhaps thats a bit naive of him, or perhaps he is a wolf trying to buy my trust by extending trust. I dont know... Either way the only thing I am selling is Guests must stick together to lynch non-guests. We should ignore who may or may not be the sympathizer and try to work on removing the other teams. That is the only way we will win. Could that mean I am one of the sympathizers? Sure, believe that if you want.. but I am not one. If we as the guests start to get off focus and try to hunt down other guests hoping to hit the sympathizer, we are just asking for trouble. We don't get reveals on lynches, so we can't waste valuable lynches on those type of hunches.

[SnDvls]

This is the list I have currently:

Upstairs
-------------------------
Mr. Winston
Mrs. Winston
Daria Winston
Joseph Winston

Downstairs
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The Butler
The Chambermaid
The Cook Telle (dead)
The Driver

Guests
--------------------------
The Professor Alan T
The Gossip
The Vicar Barkeep (dead)
The Colonel Olliegirl
The Gadabout Lathum
The Lush
The Socialite ArlingtonColt
The Eccentric path12
The Daughter Eaglefan (dead)
The Elderly Gent neon_chaos
The Neighbor Sndvls

Unrevealed
------------------------------------------------

RendeR
Gonzo
PurdueBrad
RPI-Fan
Barkeep49
MrBug708
St. Cronin
ntndeacon
DaddyTorgo
Chief Rum

you have Barkeep listed twice...that leave DT as the Gossip, from my reading of his hint, and only one more "guest". Not RenderR as he says his role isn't listed.

everyone else would fit into either the Downstairs or Upstairs very nicely.
Why would anyone who has already claimed a guest role not be disputed at this point if they aren't who they say they are...is it because the other people can't claim a role they don't know if it's assigned or not?

[ntndeacon]

just caught up. too bad about Eaglesfan and Barkeep. I won't say too bad about Telle though. :)

Last night I was out searching as well. I did see Render. He was running. I don't know why. I did not notice him carrying anything but I was told in my PM that it was only a quick glimpse. Sorry it isn't more revealing one way or the other.

[Alan T]

Blue is confirmed guest
Light Blue is revealed but unconfirmed guest
Green is confirmed downstairs team
Orange is confirmed upstairs team
Purple is unknown


Day1 votes:

No Lynch - Eaglefan, oliegirl, st. cronin
st cronin - Barkeep49, RendeR
eaglefan - Lathum
DaddyTorgo - RPI-Fan
Lathum - Telle, ArlingtonColt
render - Path12
Neon_Chaos - Alan T, DaddyTorgo, PurdueBrad
Gonzo - SnDvls, ntndeacon, Neon_Chaos

No Votes: Gonzo, Chief Rum


So.. what can we learn from this... Ntn and Gonzo likely are on different teams.. Ntn's vote put Gonzo in high risk of early death. DaddyTorgo and PurdueBrad both put late votes on a player who had revealed as a guest without a counterreveal, placing him in danger, thus both likely are not guests. Thats all I can pick apart right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks anyways ntn. nice to be able to link you into it one way or another.

and yes SnDvls...you are correct.

I AM THE GOSSIP.

[DaddyTorgo]

not a particularly "powerful" role, but 100% guest. Happy being a socialite...don't want to be a worker or an owner.

Rather be talking trash about Paris Hilton tbh.

[Alan T]

you have Barkeep listed twice...that leave DT as the Gossip, from my reading of his hint, and only one more "guest". Not RenderR as he says his role isn't listed.

everyone else would fit into either the Downstairs or Upstairs very nicely.
Why would anyone who has already claimed a guest role not be disputed at this point if they aren't who they say they are...is it because the other people can't claim a role they don't know if it's assigned or not?


My bad about Barkeep being listed twice, I removed him from my list where I had him in the correct place. I agree about DT.. thats the clues I picked up too.. now its out he probably should confirm one way or another.. I purposely was not mentioning it from when I went back and looked and was continuing throwing his name out there as bait to see who would latch on. I still have my evidence I could use to swing the vote a bit in the favor of saving DT if needed.. but now that this is out there, I don't think I can do that anymore. ah well :) So yeah, DT probably should come out and confirm it one way or another, just so we can have it in stone.. and sorry for using you as bait this morning. Once I figured out the hint I didn't want to give it away :)

[DaddyTorgo]

that's fine alan. I didn't want you to throw it out there and clear me...thought we had a nice little two-man game going there and hopefully we could pull someone into it and snare them via a fake-reveal or voting for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

I figured you had figured it out from my hint. You're not exactly dense

[PurdueBrad]

my thoughts too as PB conviently forgets I voted first and clearly stated why.

Sun, my implication wasn't that your vote itself was specific, just that the trailing votes were. Sorry for not being clear.

[RendeR]

just caught up. too bad about Eaglesfan and Barkeep. I won't say too bad about Telle though. :)

Last night I was out searching as well. I did see Render. He was running. I don't know why. I did not notice him carrying anything but I was told in my PM that it was only a quick glimpse. Sorry it isn't more revealing one way or the other.


There we go. I'm just glad you were willing to come out with this NTN, if the person who saw me had been on one of the two teams I was worried they'd let me hang.

So whats up now SNdvls? Are you one of the supporters hoping to get attention by going after me? Or have you fake revealed hoping to stay hidden?

[PurdueBrad]

PurdueBrad both put late votes on a player who had revealed as a guest without a counterreveal, placing him in danger, thus both likely are not guests. Thats all I can pick apart right now.

Alan, I do admit after some considering and reconsidering that I put my vote on a revealed guest.

Guess I don't really need to post that as it is on the wall but why hide it.

[Alan T]

There we go. I'm just glad you were willing to come out with this NTN, if the person who saw me had been on one of the two teams I was worried they'd let me hang.

So whats up now SNdvls? Are you one of the supporters hoping to get attention by going after me? Or have you fake revealed hoping to stay hidden?

I don't know that having someone that is not revealed as a guest giving vague night PM information that doesn't really clear or damn you does much for your arguement here. I'm not swayed at all by this, and if anything think that ntn just alligned himself with you moreso.. which tells me thus far the teams likely are Render + ntn + others vs Gonzo + PurdueBrad + others

[SnDvls]

Blue is confirmed guest
Light Blue is revealed but unconfirmed guest
Green is confirmed downstairs team
Orange is confirmed upstairs team
Purple is unknown


Day1 votes:

No Lynch - Eaglefan, oliegirl, st. cronin
st cronin - Barkeep49, RendeR
eaglefan - Lathum
DaddyTorgo - RPI-Fan
Lathum - Telle, ArlingtonColt
render - Path12
Neon_Chaos - Alan T, DaddyTorgo, PurdueBrad
Gonzo - SnDvls, ntndeacon, Neon_Chaos

No Votes: Gonzo, Chief Rum


So.. what can we learn from this... Ntn and Gonzo likely are on different teams.. Ntn's vote put Gonzo in high risk of early death. DaddyTorgo and PurdueBrad both put late votes on a player who had revealed as a guest without a counterreveal, placing him in danger, thus both likely are not guests. Thats all I can pick apart right now.

you are missing a no vote by MrBug too

[Alan T]

you are missing a no vote by MrBug too

Thanks, fixed my sheet again. Speaking of no votes, we still haven't heard from Chief, and with his work schedule I'm thinking he might not even show up today until post-deadline.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't know that having someone that is not revealed as a guest giving vague night PM information that doesn't really clear or damn you does much for your arguement here. I'm not swayed at all by this, and if anything think that ntn just alligned himself with you moreso.. which tells me thus far the teams likely are Render + ntn + others vs Gonzo + PurdueBrad + others

exactly why I was glad to see it. Either way, it's another piece of information

[SnDvls]

I don't know that having someone that is not revealed as a guest giving vague night PM information that doesn't really clear or damn you does much for your arguement here. I'm not swayed at all by this, and if anything think that ntn just alligned himself with you moreso.. which tells me thus far the teams likely are Render + ntn + others vs Gonzo + PurdueBrad + others

looks like he either just outted a teammate with the ploy instead of just taking one for the team or just threw him under the bus not sure which right now.