Its' Here! NHL 2007-2008 Regular Season Thread

[Dr. Sak]

Dola...at this point last season the Flyers had 27 points as compared to the 57 they have right now. What a difference a year makes.

[MikeVic]

Hahaha that lips moving thing is funny.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Great game between the Ducks and Wings last night. Definitely a playoff atmosphere.

The Wings held their own and Hasek was on his game. The Wings made the most of their chances, scoring on a 5 on 3 and and a lucky 2 on 1 where Bucheamin's stick broke.

Typical Ducks style of play. Bertuzzi ran Hasek in the early going. It was nice to see Cleary stand up to Pronger, even if he got the worse of it. Considering Zetterberg wasn't in the line-up and Cleary missed the second and third periods, it was all the more impressive.

[RomaGoth]

Great game between the Ducks and Wings last night. Definitely a playoff atmosphere.

The Wings held their own and Hasek was on his game. The Wings made the most of their chances, scoring on a 5 on 3 and and a lucky 2 on 1 where Bucheamin's stick broke.

Typical Ducks style of play. Bertuzzi ran Hasek in the early going. It was nice to see Cleary stand up to Pronger, even if he got the worse of it. Considering Zetterberg wasn't in the line-up and Cleary missed the second and third periods, it was all the more impressive.

Biggest piece of shit in the history of hockey. Except for maybe that guy that molested Sheldon Kennedy.....

[Draft Dodger]

yeah, I only watched the first period, but it was enjoyable. I liked that the Wings took the physical stuff right to the Ducks.

at one point, there was, what, 4 Ducks in the box? I thought I was watching the old NES Wayne Gretzky Hockey game.

[RomaGoth]

yeah, I only watched the first period, but it was enjoyable. I liked that the Wings took the physical stuff right to the Ducks.

at one point, there was, what, 4 Ducks in the box? I thought I was watching the old NES Wayne Gretzky Hockey game.

Funny thing is that the players in that game look just like the ones in EHM. True story. :D

[Fidatelo]

Biggest piece of shit in the history of hockey. Except for maybe that guy that molested Sheldon Kennedy.....

That would be Graham James. And you're way WAY off. Bertuzzi worse than Mike Danton or David Frost? What about Alan Eagleson? Gary Bettman? Dino Cicarelli? Bob Clarke? I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more...

[RomaGoth]

That would be Graham James. And you're way WAY off. Bertuzzi worse than Mike Danton or David Frost? What about Alan Eagleson? Gary Bettman? Dino Cicarelli? Bob Clarke? I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more...

Are you serious? Gary Bettman? He is a turd yes, but Bertuzzi nearly killed a guy during a game. Danton did stuff off the ice so he is not relevant to Bertuzzi. Cicarelli was a scrappy player but nowhere near the level of Bertuzzi. He is garbage.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Cicarelli was a scrappy player but nowhere near the level of Bertuzzi. He is garbage.

Scrappy? Yes. But he was also convincted of assault for going after Luke Richardson with his stick during a game. It's pretty rare that an on ice action actually leads to a criminal conviction.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Brian Rafalski was invited to go to the All-Star because Zubov is hurt. Rafalski declined because he'd already made plans.

It's good to see him get acknowledged. He's having a great year. Through 51 games, he's already tied his career high in goals (9) and his 43 points are only 12 off his career high. Assuming he stays healthy, he should have career numbers across the board.

The Wings will have some interesting deals to making coming up. Cleary is an UFA at the end of this season. I am sure he'll re-sign with the team, it's just a matter of how much.

Zetterberg has one year left on his deal, but I am sure the Wings will try to lock him up long term as soon as they can (post July 1, I think). I imagine the Wings will look to sign Zetterberg to something along the lines of Datsyuk's deal, but the price may have gone up since then, especially after Ovechkin's deal. I want to see the Wings lock him up long term, and they will, but anything over 6 or 7 years is ridiculous. Even that length of a deal is pushing the limits of reason.

[Fidatelo]

Are you serious? Gary Bettman? He is a turd yes, but Bertuzzi nearly killed a guy during a game. Danton did stuff off the ice so he is not relevant to Bertuzzi. Cicarelli was a scrappy player but nowhere near the level of Bertuzzi. He is garbage.

Bettman has done a pretty good job of killing the entire game of hockey, which seems pretty bad in my opinion.

You said he was the biggest POS in the history of hockey. Danton is part of that history, and he actually set out to murder someone. Mind you, the guy he set out to murder also happens to be a creepy-ass Graham James Jr., whom is also a part of hockey's history (and present perhaps? I can't recall what became of him).

And as H_B said, Dino went to prison... that's gotta put him ahead of Bert.

[RomaGoth]

Bettman has done a pretty good job of killing the entire game of hockey, which seems pretty bad in my opinion.

You said he was the biggest POS in the history of hockey. Danton is part of that history, and he actually set out to murder someone. Mind you, the guy he set out to murder also happens to be a creepy-ass Graham James Jr., whom is also a part of hockey's history (and present perhaps? I can't recall what became of him).

And as H_B said, Dino went to prison... that's gotta put him ahead of Bert.

I was not aware that Dino went to prison. When was that, and is he still in there? In addition, Bertuzzi SHOULD have gone to prison. I stand by my statement that he is garbage. I will just add a few others to the list.

Yes, Bettman has killed the sport. It only looks to get worse, as he wants to expand again :confused: (Las Vegas???? WTF???).

*sigh*

[Honolulu_Blue]

Then there was that Billy Tibbets guy in Pittsburgh for a while. He had all sorts of issues...

[RomaGoth]

Brian Rafalski was invited to go to the All-Star because Zubov is hurt. Rafalski declined because he'd already made plans.

It's good to see him get acknowledged. He's having a great year. Through 51 games, he's already tied his career high in goals (9) and his 43 points are only 12 off his career high. Assuming he stays healthy, he should have career numbers across the board.

The Wings will have some interesting deals to making coming up. Cleary is an UFA at the end of this season. I am sure he'll re-sign with the team, it's just a matter of how much.

Zetterberg has one year left on his deal, but I am sure the Wings will try to lock him up long term as soon as they can (post July 1, I think). I imagine the Wings will look to sign Zetterberg to something along the lines of Datsyuk's deal, but the price may have gone up since then, especially after Ovechkin's deal. I want to see the Wings lock him up long term, and they will, but anything over 6 or 7 years is ridiculous. Even that length of a deal is pushing the limits of reason.

The Wings definately need to keep Zetterberg. He is a better player than Datsyuk, so he should be paid more. On a side note, whatever happened with Jiri Fischer? Did he retire?

[RomaGoth]

Then there was that Billy Tibbets guy in Pittsburgh for a while. He had all sorts of issues...

Yeah he was a piece of work.....

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Wings definately need to keep Zetterberg. He is a better player than Datsyuk, so he should be paid more. On a side note, whatever happened with Jiri Fischer? Did he retire?

I don't think he's officially retired. Every once in a while I hear something about Fischer trying to find some way to make a comeback, but I don't think it's every going to happen.

He still has a position in the Wings' organization, but I think, sadly, his playing days are done.

[RomaGoth]

I don't think he's officially retired. Every once in a while I hear something about Fischer trying to find some way to make a comeback, but I don't think it's every going to happen.

He still has a position in the Wings' organization, but I think, sadly, his playing days are done.

It is a shame. Just like Konstantinov, the Wings lose a pretty good d-man before his prime. :(

[Fidatelo]

I was not aware that Dino went to prison. When was that, and is he still in there? In addition, Bertuzzi SHOULD have gone to prison. I stand by my statement that he is garbage. I will just add a few others to the list.

Yes, Bettman has killed the sport. It only looks to get worse, as he wants to expand again :confused: (Las Vegas???? WTF???).

*sigh*

Dino's sentance was only 1 day, and it was back in the 80's, so he's out now :)

I won't get into the Bertuzzi thing because I've said my piece before, but I disagree that he should have gone to prison. Frankly, I think what Chris Simon did with his skate a few weeks ago was far worse.

[RomaGoth]

Dino's sentance was only 1 day, and it was back in the 80's, so he's out now :)

I won't get into the Bertuzzi thing because I've said my piece before, but I disagree that he should have gone to prison. Frankly, I think what Chris Simon did with his skate a few weeks ago was far worse.

I never cared for Dino, even when he played for my red wings. What Chris Simon did was inexcusable but not surprising. He has always been a goon and a thug in a league that encourages that type of thing. It is too bad that Gary "Ballsless" Bettman doesn't ban him permanently from the NHL.

*shrugs*

[Maple Leafs]

That would be Graham James. And you're way WAY off. Bertuzzi worse than Mike Danton or David Frost? What about Alan Eagleson? Gary Bettman? Dino Cicarelli? Bob Clarke? I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more...
That's a pretty comprehensive list. Did we miss anybody? If you should be on the list and you're not, please raise your hand (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56450923.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE378EED9B463B81DEA40A659CEC4C8CB6).

[bbor]

I don't think he's officially retired. Every once in a while I hear something about Fischer trying to find some way to make a comeback, but I don't think it's every going to happen.

He still has a position in the Wings' organization, but I think, sadly, his playing days are done.

Pretty sure i heard Fischer on the radio the other day saying he now does player development with the wings.

[MikeVic]

That's a pretty comprehensive list. Did we miss anybody? If you should be on the list and you're not, please raise your hand (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56450923.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE378EED9B463B81DEA40A659CEC4C8CB6).

Is that Wendel Clark's dad?

[Dr. Sak]

The league better look at the hit Laraque had tonight...

[Suburban Rhythm]

The league better look at the hit Laraque had tonight...


Does he deserve something because it was a STUPID move to hit Downie? Yes. Probably a game or two. You can't possibly think that was any worse than Randy Jones hit on Patrice Bergeron, and I believe Jones got 2 games.

And I am not one to adhere to the "he deserved it...he put himself in a bad position" argument. But for the life of me I can't figure out why Downie puts his head down.

[Suburban Rhythm]

The only one I think that would fight Laraque is Cote, and I don't think he is that dumb to get his ass beat.


Cote took all of 2+ minutes to prove you wrong...he is that dumb! ;)

[Dr. Sak]

Does he deserve something because it was a STUPID move to hit Downie? Yes. Probably a game or two. You can't possibly think that was any worse than Randy Jones hit on Patrice Bergeron, and I believe Jones got 2 games.

And I am not one to adhere to the "he deserved it...he put himself in a bad position" argument. But for the life of me I can't figure out why Downie puts his head down.

I don't think it was worse than the Jones him but if the league wants to start cracking down on this stuff they need to start handing out stiffer penalties.

Head down or not you cant cross check a guy in the lower back 3 feet away from the boards. My issue is that if it was a Flyer, he would be suspended because of their history, and it is rightfully so, the league should take a closer look at teams that have history of illegal hits.

But this is the second time that Laraque has done something dirty, remember last game when he slide tackled Biron? Nothing happened. That was nothing but dirty and in my mind worse than the hit on Downie last night because at least with last night's hit he was trying to play the puck.

My feeling is that the sentiment is that since he did it to Downie it is alright, since Downie is already established as a dirty player.

[Dr. Sak]

Cote took all of 2+ minutes to prove you wrong...he is that dumb! ;)

I can't believe Cote walked away without any blood on his face. He took some shots.

[Suburban Rhythm]

My only objection to what you said...was not a cross check, he didn't use his stick (from what I am recalling in my head...no Youtube at work! :( )

I don't think Downie "deserved" it because he's a dirty player (which he is), because no one deserves a concussion.

But I am amused by Stevens after the game railing against Laraque calling it "a vicious hit." I don't remember him feeling so strongly about P Bergeron and D McAmmond.

And the Biron thing...again, shitty move by Laraque, but I also understand why he did it (which is looked like Briere tried and failed at the same last night). Biron was tough when it was Sid, but nobody wanted anything to do with Laraque when he did it.

Great quote from Laraque from the PG (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08025/852155-61.stm)

When Laraque reflected on it, he saw an incident in which he pushed Downie, not cross-checked him, and did so with absolutely no malice, let alone intent to injure.

"If I want to hit somebody from behind," Laraque said, "he's not going to get up."



If he doesn't get suspended this time, he set himself up for one the next time he does something. Pretty sure the league would point to that as intent.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I can't believe Cote walked away without any blood on his face. He took some shots.


I already had a mail from a Flyers fan in my office touting Cote winning that fight because he "took Laraque down at the end." :confused:

[Dr. Sak]

My only objection to what you said...was not a cross check, he didn't use his stick (from what I am recalling in my head...no Youtube at work! :( )

Maybe not a cross check per say but it was one of those where the hands were about 2 feet apart on the stick and he punched both hands in the lower back. Cross-check might not have been the best choice of words. I don't have access to You Tube either.



But I am amused by Stevens after the game railing against Laraque calling it "a vicious hit." I don't remember him feeling so strongly about P Bergeron and D McAmmond.

I think Therrien would've done the same thing. He is just protecting his player and standing up for him. You didn't hear Therrien say that Laraque's hit was dirty, I don't think a coach wants to call any more attention to the play. Plus Stevens and GM Paul Holmgren have sat down with Downie on a number of occasions to talk about his lack of discipline. I think he is seeing professional help because of it.

I gotta give the Pens credit though, they hung in there. They survived that early barrage of shots to make it a good game. But if they want to win games without Sid, they really need to keep the scores lower. They need the games to be more like the one against Montreal, rather than the ones against Washington and Philly. Slow the tempo down, and play off of the other team's mistakes. I know that is easier said than done when you are down as many men as the Pens are with injuries.

Finally, Cote didn't win that fight. I am surprised that he had the balls to even drop the gloves with George.

Edit...Actually Therrian did say something about the hit..

For the defense, Penguins coach Michel Therrien said, "First of all, Georges doesn't have the reputation of a dirty player, and it's a fine line between trying to finish your check and the guys on the offense turning around. It's a fine line. I'm not going to comment on it."

[Suburban Rhythm]

Maybe not a cross check per say but it was one of those where the hands were about 2 feet apart on the stick and he punched both hands in the lower back. Cross-check might not have been the best choice of words. I don't have access to You Tube either.




I think Therrien would've done the same thing. He is just protecting his player and standing up for him. You didn't hear Therrien say that Laraque's hit was dirty, I don't think a coach wants to call any more attention to the play. Plus Stevens and GM Paul Holmgren have sat down with Downie on a number of occasions to talk about his lack of discipline. I think he is seeing professional help because of it.

I gotta give the Pens credit though, they hung in there. They survived that early barrage of shots to make it a good game. But if they want to win games without Sid, they really need to keep the scores lower. They need the games to be more like the one against Montreal, rather than the ones against Washington and Philly. Slow the tempo down, and play off of the other team's mistakes. I know that is easier said than done when you are down as many men as the Pens are with injuries.

Finally, Cote didn't win that fight. I am surprised that he had the balls to even drop the gloves with George.

The guy I work with just has Orange and Black glasses on...I can admit they beat up the Pens physically in those first 3 meetings, but Cote didn't even land a punch (did he even THROW a punch?) and Stone handled himself well against Downie.

Of course, this is the same guy who loves to break out all the Crosby whining/diving cliches...but when I point at Downie as immature, I get the "he plays hard" line.

I get why Stevens has to draw attention to it (and Therrien won't), just funny coming from him, when it's been his team throwing those hits (not saying all intentionally) the first 40 games.

As for the next 6 weeks...while it would seem that is the correct way for them to play, their D is so rediculously bad, I don't know that they have a chance that way. Scuderi has played out of his mind, and still probably shouldn't be in the top 4 of a contending team. Gonchar is elite offensively, and while he gets railed against often, he's adequate in his own end. But he's not a #1 guy. Whitney, the next time he hits someone, will be the first time. I know hitting isn't everything...Lidstrom never nails anyone, but Whitney is no Lidstrom in his positional game. Letang has been surprisingly solid in his own end, but he's 20. Sydor...he's way better than at the beginning of the season, but he was so terrible than, he's still hovering around average right now. And Orpik is the only physical guy we have, but positionally he's pretty awful as well.

As much as people keep saying we need another wing to play with Sid, we need a top pairing Dman that much more. Even if they bring Eaton back next season. That allows Eaton to play on the 2nd pair and Scuderi on the 3rd.

[Maple Leafs]

Does anyone think Laraque's hit was any worse than Erksine on Antropov last night?

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[sterlingice]

That's a pretty comprehensive list. Did we miss anybody? If you should be on the list and you're not, please raise your hand (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56450923.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE378EED9B463B81DEA40A659CEC4C8CB6).

I should have known before clicking on that who it would be but I just didn't for some reason.

SI

[Simms]

With the hat tip to Deadspin, here's a commercial for a Pittsburgh area car dealership, featuring Colby Armstrong, Maxim Talbot, Sergei Gonchar, and Evgeni Malkin.

Good stuff. :)

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[TurnerONU22]

With the hat tip to Deadspin, here's a commercial for a Pittsburgh area car dealership, featuring Colby Armstrong, Maxim Talbot, Sergei Gonchar, and Evgeni Malkin.

Good stuff. :)


Good stuff indeed :) It reminds me of a couple of the Blue Jackets commercials for a car dealership as well, which weren't as bad as those above, but they're still painful to watch.

Rick Nash:

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Jody Shelley:

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[Suburban Rhythm]

Kris Beech is currently listed on the Penguins roster! For those of you scoring along at home, this is the same Kris Beech (aka the next Ron Francis) who has been through Nashville, Washington, Columbus, Vancouver and Washington again since leaving Pittsburgh in 2004.

I have a good feeling this time...we're going to win that Jagr trade after all!

[EagleFan]

Started watching a replay of the skills competition.... What a joke this has become.

1st: Didn't the 2nd guy going for the East in the puck slalom actually miss on the 2nd to last slalom, he mishandled and that I though brought it through the last one.

2nd: Where did the extra point come from after the first competition. It was supposed to be worth 2 points, one for each leg. The East wins both legs and after commercial it is 2-1 East. Then they never explain where that point came from.

3rd: The fasted skater competition was a joke as it seemed that not one person knew what was going on. They explain that it seems to be the stick crossing the line that counts but in the one heat not only did the one player cross first but his stick corssed first as well but the other player was given a faster time.

4th: They don't even know what the rules are for the finals in this event as they first send out the local guy for the East and then pull him back for a Bruin that gives a half-assed effort and gets his ass kicked.

5th: What is with that camera angle for the shootout? Yeah, use the behind the skater angle as a replay angle but let me see the entire thing as it first happens as you can barely see the goalie until the skater shoots with the behind the skater camera. Don't even get me started that the camera is being carrired by someone who is skating and not even a camera like in the NFL that is strung along the top.


This looks like a minor league event they way it is handled.

[Draft Dodger]

This looks like a minor league event they way it is handled.

are you new to the NHL?

[sterlingice]

Well, nothing says professional like having one of the premier events of the year on Versus :(

SI

[Dr. Sak]

At least they did it on a weekend this year, and on a weekend where there is no football.

[sterlingice]

How could they not get it on NBC?

SI

[bhlloy]

Well, nothing says professional like having one of the premier events of the year on Versus :(

SI

And if I'm not mistaken, they extended the Versus deal for another 3 years. Minor league operation indeed... F'ing Bettman. Much more important to get those extra few million than actually having national exposure.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nice fun finish to the game itself. Nice for Savard to get the winner back in Atlanta too.

And although I'm not a fan of the mics-on-players gimmick, I have to admit that I thought Legace came across very likable & I enjoyed hearing him.

Heh, also got a kick out of Bettman being roundly booed during the MVP presentation.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Suburban, I thought you might like this... ;)

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[Suburban Rhythm]

:confused: Nothing opening up...probably cause I'm at work, and everything here is blocked!!!

Except FOFC! :)

[Dr. Sak]

It's a You tube clip thats why...

[Suburban Rhythm]

This suspense is going to kill me all day.

Does this involve Kris Beech??
Is it bigger than a bread box?

[RomaGoth]

And if I'm not mistaken, they extended the Versus deal for another 3 years. Minor league operation indeed... F'ing Bettman. Much more important to get those extra few million than actually having national exposure.

Right on. How much longer is Bettman in office anyway? When will the NHL get a clue and get rid of this idiot? I hope they don't do what MLB did: Bud Selig extends 3 years. Of course, Selig is the owners'/players' puppet. Dance, Bud, dance!!!

I hate both of them. :mad: True story.

[Dr. Sak]

This suspense is going to kill me all day.

Does this involve Kris Beech??
Is it bigger than a bread box?

Wow are you going to be pissed when you finally see it.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Given my irrational hatred for the Red Wings, I could never have said this two years ago, but it's OK now:

I love Manny Legace.

Legace was a lot of fun to listen to on Saturday night. So was DiPietro, although DiPietro seemed to be trying a little too hard with his jokes. My favorite was when he said that one of the players was using a Bowflex, and then Mike Emrick asks him to explain "for the people at home" what a Bowflex is.

[Dr. Sak]

Legace was a lot of fun to listen to on Saturday night. So was DiPietro, although DiPietro seemed to be trying a little too hard with his jokes.

The goalie mics were great. I liked when Manny was doing play by play.

My favorite was when he said that one of the players was using a Bowflex, and then Mike Emrick asks him to explain "for the people at home" what a Bowflex is.

They need to lock Doc Emrick and Pierre McGuire in a room and throw away the key.

[Pumpy Tudors]

They need to lock Doc Emrick and Pierre McGuire in a room and throw away the key.
I love Doc, even if he seems a bit out of touch with the real world.

[Dr. Sak]

I love Doc, even if he seems a bit out of touch with the real world.

I am just messing with you. I use to like him a lot, but now that I have to listen to him do Devils broadcasts...it makes me dislike him.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I am just messing with you. I use to like him a lot, but now that I have to listen to him do Devils broadcasts...it makes me dislike him.
Just become a Devils fan and your problems are solved!

[Dr. Sak]

Just become a Devils fan and your problems are solved!

That would cause a problem because the fan in that sentence would become fans. I don't want to be jumping on any bandwagons.

Plus I usually listen to music to fall asleep...not hockey games. :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

That would cause a problem because the fan in that sentence would become fans. I don't want to be jumping on any bandwagons.

Plus I usually listen to music to fall asleep...not hockey games. :)
If you weren't a large former college football quarterback who's still in great physical shape, I'd go up to Murrysville and give you a beating!

[Suburban Rhythm]

If you weren't a large former college football quarterback who's still in great physical shape, I'd go up to Murrysville and give you a beating!

Can this happen in Pittsburgh instead...before a Pens game, after Jeff Jimmerson sings the national anthem?

[Pyser]

i will defend doc emrick to the death.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Given my irrational hatred for the Red Wings...

I think it's about time you put this childish thing to rest.

Irrational hatred is not a good thing. Hatred takes a lot of effort. You don't want to be wasting your energies on something that's not fully examined. Rational hate is fine. It's healthy, But irrational hatred is just a complete waste.

I reckon if you examined things closely, you would come to realize that you actually quite like the Red Wings. I think you'd find it would lead to a healthier life for you. For example, you could have loved Manny Legace many, many years ago. Love's great. You could still love Brian Rafalski today! He's having a career year, don't you know? If you liked the Wings, you'd be much more apt to follow the rest of his career and enjoy it, just like Brian is.

Come on. Enough's enough.

P.S. I like Doc Emerick. He calls a good game.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Suburban...are you going to the Pens/Flyers game on Feb 10th?

[Pumpy Tudors]

See, I look at the Red Wings and remember that Brian Rafalski is a heck of a defenseman, and I don't hate him. It's damn near impossible to hate Nicklas Lidstrom, and I don't hate him. A lot of good, hardworking players have been through Detroit for as long as I can remember. They've had a few players who rub me the wrong way like Hasek and Shanahan and Hull, but every team's got players like that.

I guess this developed back in the shortened 1995 season. I'm not sure why. They had such a great blend of offense, defense, and discipline, and I just couldn't stand that they were the "all-everything" team. I was still fairly new as a Devils fan and a hockey fan at that time, and they just seemed to be the easiest non-rival to hate. Maybe I kinda wanted my team to play like that. You'd think I'd have gotten over it pretty quickly, considering that my team ended up winning the Cup by beating these guys in a sweep that same year.

Still, even after that, I was mad at Detroit's success. The Wings are getting harder to hate, and they're actually fun as hell to watch, just because they're so damn good. Even in this time of shootouts and the "overtime losses" category, they're still a team that you expect to win 50 games each year.

I admit that I don't know what it is. I guess I really should've put all the hatred away when Rafalski went to Detroit and I didn't get mad. I'll never be a Scott Gomez fan again for the rest of my life, but I wish Rafalski all the best, even when he went to a team that I've claimed to dislike for so long.

Maybe I don't really hate the Red Wings anymore. :(

[Pumpy Tudors]

Dola

Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

[Honolulu_Blue]

See, I look at the Red Wings and remember that Brian Rafalski is a heck of a defenseman, and I don't hate him. It's damn near impossible to hate Nicklas Lidstrom, and I don't hate him. A lot of good, hardworking players have been through Detroit for as long as I can remember. They've had a few players who rub me the wrong way like Hasek and Shanahan and Hull, but every team's got players like that.

I guess this developed back in the shortened 1995 season. I'm not sure why. They had such a great blend of offense, defense, and discipline, and I just couldn't stand that they were the "all-everything" team. I was still fairly new as a Devils fan and a hockey fan at that time, and they just seemed to be the easiest non-rival to hate. Maybe I kinda wanted my team to play like that. You'd think I'd have gotten over it pretty quickly, considering that my team ended up winning the Cup by beating these guys in a sweep that same year.

Still, even after that, I was mad at Detroit's success. The Wings are getting harder to hate, and they're actually fun as hell to watch, just because they're so damn good. Even in this time of shootouts and the "overtime losses" category, they're still a team that you expect to win 50 games each year.

I admit that I don't know what it is. I guess I really should've put all the hatred away when Rafalski went to Detroit and I didn't get mad. I'll never be a Scott Gomez fan again for the rest of my life, but I wish Rafalski all the best, even when he went to a team that I've claimed to dislike for so long.

Maybe I don't really hate the Red Wings anymore. :(

Excellent progress, Pumpy. Excellent. You've taken your first step into a larger world...

How could you hate the Wings after they got smoked by the Devils in '95? Some players, like Paul Coffey and Shawn Burr, actually went out of their way to help the Devils win that series.

Well done.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dola

Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

Dola

Uh... You're on your own with this one. This is your journey, man... You and you alone.

[bbor]

Dola

Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

Woohooo

Found my new sig:D

[Dr. Sak]

Dola

Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.


"Are you sure you don't want me to do the blowing Pumpy??"


http://inthebleachers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/clarke_1_.jpg

[Pumpy Tudors]

oh god

[RomaGoth]

"Are you sure you don't want me to do the blowing Pumpy??"


http://inthebleachers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/clarke_1_.jpg

NOW I know why he and Eric Lindros had such a love/hate relationship!!!

[RomaGoth]

Excellent progress, Pumpy. Excellent. You've taken your first step into a larger world...

How could you hate the Wings after they got smoked by the Devils in '95? Some players, like Paul Coffey and Shawn Burr, actually went out of their way to help the Devils win that series.

Well done.

LOL. Paul Coffey. One of the greatest skaters in the history of hockey but he could not play defense if his life depended upon it.

[MikeVic]

"Are you sure you don't want me to do the blowing Pumpy??"


http://inthebleachers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/clarke_1_.jpg

Hahahaha.

[MikeVic]

LOL. Paul Coffey. One of the greatest skaters in the history of hockey but he could not play defense if his life depended upon it.

Take that back.

[Chief Rum]

Teemu's back. Worst kept secret of the past month.

Word is Yzerman is eyeing a return to hockey next month with the Ducks! Come oooooooon, Stevie! :)

[Draft Dodger]

Word is Yzerman is eyeing a return to hockey next month with the Ducks!

I'll take Things That Will Make HB Give Up Hockey Forever for $200, Alex

[Dr. Sak]

The Pittsburgh Penguins recent acquisition Kris Beech will not be suiting up tonight for the Pens. Not because he is hurt, because he is stuck in Toronto. United States immigration will not let him in the country.

[Suburban Rhythm]

The Pittsburgh Penguins recent acquisition Kris Beech will not be suiting up tonight for the Pens. Not because he is hurt, because he is stuck in Toronto. United States immigration will not let him in the country.

I've come to the conclusion why he was picked back up. I've seen many theories, including Washington picking him up with the purpose of sending him to Hershey of the AHL, and the Pens grabbed him on waivers (being sent down to the AHL) so that he wouldn't get to play against WBS Baby Pens (fighting Hershey for playoff position).

My theory is they just want to see what Jordan Staal is going to turn out like in 5 years.

Also...I do not have tix to the Pens-Flyers on 2/10, but I do have them for 3/16 (I think that is the right date).

[Dr. Sak]

Also...I do not have tix to the Pens-Flyers on 2/10, but I do have them for 3/16 (I think that is the right date).

Okay...if you did I was going to see if you wanted to hang out before hand, I have tickets to the 2/10 not the 3-16 one. I am a huge fan of the 5th Avenue Cafe, great wings.

[RomaGoth]

Take that back.

Sorry. I just can't.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Okay...if you did I was going to see if you wanted to hang out before hand, I have tickets to the 2/10 not the 3-16 one. I am a huge fan of the 5th Avenue Cafe, great wings.

I am about 3 blocks from there, so head there every so often for lunch.

The other place we hit when we take the kids with us (which is why afternoon games work out great for us) is Papa J's on Blvd of the Allies.

[Maple Leafs]

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[MikeVic]

Sorry. I just can't.

I'm watching you.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/Paul_Gleason_Breakfast_Club.jpg/220px-Paul_Gleason_Breakfast_Club.jpg

[MikeVic]

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I like Gretzky's voice.

[Dr. Sak]

I am about 3 blocks from there, so head there every so often for lunch..

I have a thing for the one bartender...Tricia. That's why I go there before every Pens game that I attend.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm going to see the Penguins and Islanders on 2/7. Because I have to work before the game, I was thinking that I probably wouldn't have any time to hang in Pittsburgh before the game. I might have to go check this "Tricia" out, though.

[Dr. Sak]

I'm going to see the Penguins and Islanders on 2/7. Because I have to work before the game, I was thinking that I probably wouldn't have any time to hang in Pittsburgh before the game. I might have to go check this "Tricia" out, though.

There is another waitress there (not sure of her real name) but if you go to The Cricket in Oakland after the game she goes by the name of Paris. She has a lot of tattoos on her arms and cannons that would take out the entire Spanish Armada.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Word is Yzerman is eyeing a return to hockey next month with the Ducks! Come oooooooon, Stevie! :)

That was not funny. At all.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I'm going to see the Penguins and Islanders on 2/7. Because I have to work before the game, I was thinking that I probably wouldn't have any time to hang in Pittsburgh before the game. I might have to go check this "Tricia" out, though.

Pumpy, I may have some Pens - Devils tix for 3/22 if you are interested.
It's a Sat night game.

[Wolfpack]

Apparently, Sean Avery pissed the Hurricanes off when they played in New York before the break. Scott Walker went at it with him on the opening whistle, sending both off for roughing. Four minutes later, he picked a fight with Walker and got into a battle with both him and Tim Gleason, resulting in misconducts and five-minute majors all over the place, plus a bonus two minutes another Ranger had to serve for Avery instigating (amazingly, Gleason got the game misconduct, but Avery did not even though he got assessed 19 penalty minutes total for the game).

On the undercard, Wade Brookbank of Carolina and Colton Orr of New York went at it twice in the first period and got five-minute majors both times.

Things really quieted down after the fight-filled first and Carolina skated off with the 3-1 win. Hopefully (and it's become a cliche adverb now) this will finally get them going in the second half.

[Captain2711]

Apparently, Sean Avery pissed the Hurricanes off when they played in New York before the break. Scott Walker went at it with him on the opening whistle, sending both off for roughing. Four minutes later, he picked a fight with Walker and got into a battle with both him and Tim Gleason, resulting in misconducts and five-minute majors all over the place, plus a bonus two minutes another Ranger had to serve for Avery instigating (amazingly, Gleason got the game misconduct, but Avery did not even though he got assessed 19 penalty minutes total for the game).

On the undercard, Wade Brookbank of Carolina and Colton Orr of New York went at it twice in the first period and got five-minute majors both times.

Things really quieted down after the fight-filled first and Carolina skated off with the 3-1 win. Hopefully (and it's become a cliche adverb now) this will finally get them going in the second half.

Gleason got the automatic game misconduct due to the third man in rule. And as far as I am concerned, Avery during this fight did the same thing Walker did in the first minute, defended his teammate. Carolina wanted to play more physical after getting pushed around in New York last visit. Also, that was the game where Matt Cullen was knocked unconscious by a clean open ice hit by Orr. Avery instigated the second fight only after Gomez was clearly hit from behind and no penalty was called. And of course when Brookbank instigated the the 2nd fight with Orr it went unpenalized.

On another note, Christ this Ranger team can't even score against one of the worst defensive teams in the NHL.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Pumpy, I may have some Pens - Devils tix for 3/22 if you are interested.
It's a Sat night game.
Sounds good. I'll have to see if there's anything else planned for that night, but it looks good right now.

[Wolfpack]

Gleason got the automatic game misconduct due to the third man in rule. And as far as I am concerned, Avery during this fight did the same thing Walker did in the first minute, defended his teammate. Carolina wanted to play more physical after getting pushed around in New York last visit. Also, that was the game where Matt Cullen was knocked unconscious by a clean open ice hit by Orr. Avery instigated the second fight only after Gomez was clearly hit from behind and no penalty was called. And of course when Brookbank instigated the the 2nd fight with Orr it went unpenalized.

On another note, Christ this Ranger team can't even score against one of the worst defensive teams in the NHL.

Yeah, I figured out the Gleason thing after the fact. They didn't air the game down here so I was left to figure it out from the boxscore. Even so, Avery continues to charm everyone he meets. :D

Still, it's pretty rare for the Canes to be this physical with anybody. Definitely a testament to how the Rangers got to them in the game in New York. Coupled with the Caps getting whipped by Montreal tonight and it ended up a good night for Carolina, who pushed their lead to three points in the SouthLeast (while ironically tying the Rangers in total points at 54, but New York is last in the Atlantic right now).

[chrisj]

So, it looks like Daryl Katz is about to become the new owner of the Oilers, purchasing the team from the Edmonton Investors Group:

From: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=228430&hubname=

Katz spokesman Josh Pekarsky declined comment on the latest offer for the 7,492 shares from the Edmonton Investors Group, or EIG.

Katz is offering $22,000 a share, meaning those members of the EIG who came together a decade ago to buy the Oilers and keep them from relocating would more than double their investment.

The acquisition would end a high-stakes game of table hockey that began 10 months ago when Katz offered $145 million for the Oilers, then made four more bids, each escalating in value, drawing more and more investors into the fold.

I think Oilers fans should be happy Katz is here. There was a "Plan B" group within the EIG who were looking to buyout existing shareholders - with the help of a "friend":

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Hockey/2008/01/29/4799482-sun.html

The small group of non-Katz members within the Edmonton Investors Group have notified the 34 EIG members that there is no counter bid that can match or exceed the local billionaire's offer.

This news comes on the heels of Sun Media learning that members of the EIG board - clearly non-Katz members - made an attempt to contact Jim Balsillie, the Ontario billionaire with a checkered NHL past when it comes to purchasing a team.

A source from outside Edmonton revealed that information yesterday, though attempts by Sun Media to contact Balsillie for confirmation were unsuccessful.

Balsillie has twice tried to buy NHL franchises - Pittsburgh and Nashville - and has clearly tried to launch a team in Hamilton.

[johnnyshaka]

The EIG saved the team once upon a time but I think their run has come to a successful end in that they all made some money and the Oilers look to be in good hands...from what I've read and heard about Katz.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Fine example of how pitiful NHL officiating is in the Thrashers-Pens game.

Ruutu goes to hit Kovalchuck against the boards, near the benches. Kovy slides to avoid the check at the last second, knee on knee hit (or knee on thigh). No hand up on the ref, whistle blows.
Steve McCarthy comes in, puches the back of Ruutu's head about 6 times, Ruutu does not retaliate. Sits on the bench. Kovy limps to the bench and down the runway.

Minutes later, McCarthy receives 2 minute instigator, 5 min fighintg major and 10 min misconduct. Ruutu receives 5 for fightiing (without dropping the gloves or throwing a punch...hell without facing McCarthy), 5 min kneeing and 10 min game misconduct.

You can make the arguments you want over clean/dirty and intentional/accidental. Ruutu has that reputation. But the call was not being made until after the "fight" and Kovy limped off the ice.

Reminded me very much of an NFL game where the ref would watch PI occur, but wait to see if the catch is made before throwing the flag.

[bhlloy]

Just saw the hit on Kovalchuk. That wasn't even a freaking penalty. As much as I hate the instigator penalty, at least that was properly called. The kneeing call on Ruutu, just another case of NHL justice. Not what you do, who you are and what happens afterwards.

[johnnyshaka]

Souray placed on the IR today meanwhile Hemsky sits out today's practice due to an assortment of nagging, minor injuries and Horcoff admits to a season long shoulder problem that he tweaked at the All-Star game. He, too, sat out today's practice.

[JonInMiddleGA]

On the other hand, pending the outcome of today's MRI, I wouldn't be opposed to taking Ruutu out and shooting him.

[Dr. Sak]

The kneeing call on Ruutu, just another case of NHL justice. Not what you do, who you are and what happens afterwards.

That's exactly why Laraque wasn't suspended.

[Maple Leafs]

Man, I hate those weak "after the fact" calls too. The Ruutu example is pretty extreme, but how many times do you see one guy throw a punch as the referee watches with arm down, then the other guy throws one back and suddenly they both get two for roughing.

[johnnyshaka]

Man, I hate those weak "after the fact" calls too. The Ruutu example is pretty extreme, but how many times do you see one guy throw a punch as the referee watches with arm down, then the other guy throws one back and suddenly they both get two for roughing.

I know what you mean but even more frustrating is that sometimes they call the first punch and other times they don't call either of them. Pick one and stick to it!!!!!!!!!!!!

[watravaler]

I'm looking at the RedWings roster, and am in awe...who will they lose due to the salary cap, or is there some work around that will screw my Blackhawks out of the Wings talent?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm looking at the RedWings roster, and am in awe...who will they lose due to the salary cap, or is there some work around that will screw my Blackhawks out of the Wings talent?

What do you mean screw your Blackhawks out of the Wings talent? You have Martin LaPointe, Robert Lang, and Jason Williams. Be happy with that.

The Wings are going to come up against it soon. Zetterberg has one more year left on his ridiculously cheap contract. He's been by far one of the best bargains in the league over the last few years. That gravy train is coming to an end. Probably as early as this summer. The Wings will sign Zetterberg to a long term deal, probably along the same lines as what Datsyuk is making, likely a little more.

The other player at issue is Dan Cleary. The guy's been a hell of a player the last few years. His contract is up at the end of the year and I think he's been working on an extension. He's been quite a bargain and will certainly be seeing a significant raise.

Odds are, the Wings will make it work so both players will remain with the team. They are currently $5 million under the cap, so they have some wiggle room to work with.

One of the biggest advantages the Wings have in the cap era is that the players who are here generally want to stay here and other plays want to come and play for the organization. The organization has been one of the best in the NHL for the last 10-15 years. They treat their players right. They have been very loyal to the players who made the team what it is and the players have returned the favor in kind. The Wings didn't just reward guys like Lidstom, Yzerman, and Shanahan back in the day, they also more than took care of the likes of Draper, Maltby, and McCarty.

There are plenty of Wings' players who are more than willing to give a bit of a "home town" discount when negotiating new contracts. This will always gives the Wings a bit of an advantage.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I know what you mean but even more frustrating is that sometimes they call the first punch and other times they don't call either of them. Pick one and stick to it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think worse is calling only the 2nd punch. At least in theory, if guys know they first punch will get called, they won't throw the 2nd. I mean guys like Ruutu, who I love on the Pens, but takes his share of dumb penalties, will still throw the 2nd one. But the majority of players would restrain themselves.

Of course, like last night, you can get punched 7 times, to the back of your head, with your gloves still on...and get a fighting call. :confused:

[Chief Rum]

What do you mean screw your Blackhawks out of the Wings talent? You have Martin LaPointe, Robert Lang, and Jason Williams. Be happy with that.

The Wings are going to come up against it soon. Zetterberg has one more year left on his ridiculously cheap contract. He's been by far one of the best bargains in the league over the last few years. That gravy train is coming to an end. Probably as early as this summer. The Wings will sign Zetterberg to a long term deal, probably along the same lines as what Datsyuk is making, likely a little more.

The other player at issue is Dan Cleary. The guy's been a hell of a player the last few years. His contract is up at the end of the year and I think he's been working on an extension. He's been quite a bargain and will certainly be seeing a significant raise.

Odds are, the Wings will make it work so both players will remain with the team. They are currently $5 million under the cap, so they have some wiggle room to work with.

One of the biggest advantages the Wings have in the cap era is that the players who are here generally want to stay here and other plays want to come and play for the organization. The organization has been one of the best in the NHL for the last 10-15 years. They treat their players right. They have been very loyal to the players who made the team what it is and the players have returned the favor in kind. The Wings didn't just reward guys like Lidstom, Yzerman, and Shanahan back in the day, they also more than took care of the likes of Draper, Maltby, and McCarty.

There are plenty of Wings' players who are more than willing to give a bit of a "home town" discount when negotiating new contracts. This will always gives the Wings a bit of an advantage.

Of course, back in the day, before salary caps, the Wings also had the financial ability to treat even their third liners and goons like stars, as well as bring in a whole lot of other talent when age took shots at their roster.

Money makes for a nice difference.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Of course, back in the day, before salary caps, the Wings also had the financial ability to treat even their third liners and goons like stars, as well as bring in a whole lot of other talent when age took shots at their roster.

Money makes for a nice difference.

This is obviously true, but there were a lot of team with a lot of money (e.g., Philadelphia, New York Rangers, Dallas, Toronto, etc.) who never managed to gain the same reputation Detroit did in terms of the quality of the organization.

Mike Ilitch knows how to run a sports team. Yes, money helps build that foundation (it is the foundation), but he knows how to take things to the next level.

Now if only he'd buy the Lions...

[Maple Leafs]

Nik Antropov threw his stick at the ref last night.

Good times.

[Dr. Sak]

Nik Antropov threw his stick at the ref last night.

Good times.

Two important questions...

1. Was there an intent to injure?
2. Was the ref hurt?

[Maple Leafs]

Two important questions...

1. Was there an intent to injure?
2. Was the ref hurt?
1. No.

2. After the game, the ref was diagnosed with severe brain damage. But based on the hooking call in overtime, it was a pre-existing condition.

[Draft Dodger]

This is obviously true, but there were a lot of team with a lot of money (e.g., Philadelphia, New York Rangers, Dallas, Toronto, etc.) who never managed to gain the same reputation Detroit did in terms of the quality of the organization.


it's also worth pointing out that the Wings barely lost a step when the cap was instituted, while the other big salary teams have struggled to adapt (Colorado is a great example of this). Definitely a quality organization.

[bbor]

That was some sort of reffing last night.

I thought Maurice was going to have an heart attck.

[Maple Leafs]

This is obviously true, but there were a lot of team with a lot of money (e.g., Philadelphia, New York Rangers, Dallas, Toronto, etc.) who never managed to gain the same reputation Detroit did in terms of the quality of the organization.

Detroit is the counter-argument to the whole "you have to blow it up and tank for a few years to be any good" line of thought. While teams like Washington and Florida (and Chicago and St. Louis and Atlanta and Columbus and...) go long stretches without being even vaguely competitive and yet never seem to get significantly better, Detroit just keeps chugging along. Yes, they had the Yzerman pick in the mid-80s, but since then you're looking at over 20 years of sustained excellence.

I'd love for the Leafs to get a #1 pick or two over the next few years, but I'd trade that to have a scouting staff and player evaluation department like the Wings have had.

[MikeVic]

The Leafs are entertaining.

[Dr. Sak]

I'd love for the Leafs to get a #1 pick or two over the next few years, but I'd trade that to have a scouting staff and player evaluation department like the Wings have had.

Or just hope for a team with some talent (such as Nashville last year) to make some nice trades with the Leafs. :)

[Maple Leafs]

Or just hope for a team with some talent (such as Nashville last year) to make some nice trades with the Leafs. :)
Are you trying to subtley bring the Flyers into a discussion on well-run teams?

When's the annual goalie trade scheduled for this year?

[Dr. Sak]

Are you trying to subtley bring the Flyers into a discussion on well-run teams?

When's the annual goalie trade scheduled for this year?

They were never well run under Clarke. But you cant dismiss the fact that they were the worst team in the league this year and now they are contending while the Leafs once again are in limbo.

The jury is still out on Holmgren, but I like what I see so far.

As far as the goalie trade...we are waiting for you guys to get another one so we know which ones to stay away from.

[johnnyshaka]

So, Horcoff is out tonight and who takes his place on the first line between Hemsky and Penner??

Marty FRICKIN' Reasoner.

Even better, he also slides into the first powerplay unit.

Marty FUCKIN' Reasoner. Brutal.

[Travis]

So, Horcoff is out tonight and who takes his place on the first line between Hemsky and Penner??

Marty FRICKIN' Reasoner.

Even better, he also slides into the first powerplay unit.

Marty FUCKIN' Reasoner. Brutal.

How'd you like the second unit of Reasoner/Pisani/Moreau (as the setup guy) on that last PP.

I can only hope that Katz being buddies with MacT means we can get a real coach if/when he takes over the team. I know it's beyond a longshot, but there's not a whole lot of scenario's out there right now that would include MacT leaving the organization.

[johnnyshaka]

How'd you like the second unit of Reasoner/Pisani/Moreau (as the setup guy) on that last PP.

My wife is asking why I watch the games because of the profanity I'm spewing at the TV right now. Friggin' ridiculous!!!

And, how about that Brendan Morrow icing from his own blue line that cleared the glass behind Rolly?? No penalty. Retarded.

By the way...Garon isn't starting tonight because????? Stopping 36 of 38 shots a few nights ago isn't good enough to earn another start???

MacT should've worn a helmet.

[Travis]

My wife is asking why I watch the games because of the profanity I'm spewing at the TV right now. Friggin' ridiculous!!!

And, how about that Brendan Morrow icing from his own blue line that cleared the glass behind Rolly?? No penalty. Retarded.

By the way...Garon isn't starting tonight because????? Stopping 36 of 38 shots a few nights ago isn't good enough to earn another start???

MacT should've worn a helmet.

I can only hope they're in the process of trying to showcase Roloson for a trade (though at his salary I find that hard to believe) because after talking about giving Garon #1 goalie type minutes, suddenly Roli is getting more minutes in the last 5 or so games when there has been plenty of off days. I mean at least the mental side of the game and confidence don't play large parts in a goalies game, at least according to the MacT school of coaching.

Maybe he's holding Garon back as a shootout specialist :mad:

As for the "tip" the ref called on the Morrow clear, well, I had to double check and make sure it wasn't Mick McGeough out there making the call.

[Travis]

Dola, just checked and this is Roli's 4th start in the last 7 games (running a 1-3 record in those games if they end up losing tonight). Garon had started 7 in a row prior to that. So looks like we're back to whoever wins the coin toss each game day. Good thing Garon was only 5-2 in those 7 straight starts, would hate to think he was excelling in the role and helping us to get back in the playoff race. Guess one bad start (against Carolina) is enough to undo all that good in MacT's eyes.

[johnnyshaka]

Mick McGeough

I was at that game...sitting right behind the Dallas net that night...and probably broke a knuckle on the glass after he made that call...and broke another one after seeing the replay!!!!!!!

I say Garon makes that save on the third goal...he gets across the net so much faster than this dolt does.

About dealing that sack of hammers...I doubt it. But we got a decent kid for Tarnstrom...so you just never know.

[johnnyshaka]

Guess one bad start (against Carolina) is enough to undo all that good in MacT's eyes.

Roli was solid in relief during that game, too.

:rolleyes:

Tough not to become a casual fan after suffering through crap like this. I could understand if MacT didn't have any other options to play with but when you start your 2nd best goalie more often than not and have your checking line on during a powerplay you can't help but get upset.

I'm certainly glad I haven't paid for a ticket in 5 years.

[Travis]

Roli was solid in relief during that game, too.

:rolleyes:

Tough not to become a casual fan after suffering through crap like this. I could understand if MacT didn't have any other options to play with but when you start your 2nd best goalie more often than not and have your checking line on during a powerplay you can't help but get upset.

I'm certainly glad I haven't paid for a ticket in 5 years.

Well, I won't fully go into MacT bashing mode, but they do have Schremp sitting in the minors who apparently isn't even worth a look in MacT's eyes, and a guy (Pouliot) who isn't a physical player and is being punished for it. Pouliot showed last year that not only is he responsible in his own end, but was also willing to take the puck to the middle of the ice in the offensive zone to make a play which nobody else on the team other than Hemsky will do. Yes, he was less than impressive at the start of the year, but he's young, that happens. Heaven forbid we give some of these offensively minded guys a shot in that sort of role rather than trying to turn them all Pisani. It's great that Gagner and Nilsson are getting ice time (and at least some glances on the second PP unit) but there are other options that could potentially give this offense a shot in the arm. And when you're mentioning the names Horcoff and Reasoner on the top few lines, they're options I'd at least like to see explored if Lowe can't make a move for a guy like Hossa (yes, I'm still clinging to that one too).

[Pumpy Tudors]

Thanks, Colin White. No, really, thanks. Take a(nother) stupid ass penalty, allow the Rangers a power play goal, and the Devils lose 3-1 (the third was into an empty net).

Thanks a bundle, dick.

[johnnyshaka]

Well, I won't fully go into MacT bashing mode, but they do have Schremp sitting in the minors who apparently isn't even worth a look in MacT's eyes, and a guy (Pouliot) who isn't a physical player and is being punished for it. Pouliot showed last year that not only is he responsible in his own end, but was also willing to take the puck to the middle of the ice in the offensive zone to make a play which nobody else on the team other than Hemsky will do. Yes, he was less than impressive at the start of the year, but he's young, that happens. Heaven forbid we give some of these offensively minded guys a shot in that sort of role rather than trying to turn them all Pisani. It's great that Gagner and Nilsson are getting ice time (and at least some glances on the second PP unit) but there are other options that could potentially give this offense a shot in the arm. And when you're mentioning the names Horcoff and Reasoner on the top few lines, they're options I'd at least like to see explored if Lowe can't make a move for a guy like Hossa (yes, I'm still clinging to that one too).

We aren't making the playoffs so it's time to start thinking about next year. Yeah, I don't want to give Burke a high pick but that looks inevitable whether we play the guys we've got now or bring up half of Springfield.

Just for starters, get Souray under the knife next week. Give Horcoff some time off if his shoulder is that bad. Give Hemsky some time off if his wrist is bugging him. Call up Schremp. Call up Pouliot.

Get Hemsky, Cogliano and Gagne on the penalty kill, now. At this point in the season who cares if they give up a few goals but as these guys mature they need to be the guys who are playing the most minutes on this team as soon as next year.

I can't see us being buyers at the deadline...sorry, Travis...unless we can get a guy who's under contract past this year. If we aren't going to play Schremp then we might as well package him with Stoll and somebody else and see if we can get ourselves a bonified first liner. Unlikely, though.

[Travis]

I know we're not likely to be buyers, which really sucks because I truly believe a true first liner would be enough to put them into the playoffs (assuming Garon were to get the lions share of the starts the rest of the way) and make them a threat. Whether it's a true #1 center to play with Hemsky, or an established sniper who'd bump Penner down to the 2nd line (putting him with Gagner/Stoll and Nilsson would make for a nice trio), it'd turn a rebuilding season into a potential darkhorse run.

That and I really don't want that pick Burke owns to be in the top 15, let alone top 10. Though if we do end up being sellers, my fingers are crossed that it's Horcoff to go and not Stoll (encouraging part for me is that Horcoff is working his price tag up while Stoll's last RFA deal could turn out to be a bargain and he's not likely to be back to 100% until next season). What does scare me are the rumors about Pitkanen getting dealt because he's driving up his price tag. If they pony up for Horcoff and get rid of Pitkanen, well damn.

[Travis]

Get Hemsky, Cogliano and Gagne on the penalty kill, now. At this point in the season who cares if they give up a few goals but as these guys mature they need to be the guys who are playing the most minutes on this team as soon as next year.

As much as I agree with this, at most you might see Cogliano out there. I still think he maxes out as a Marchant type and will be a very valuable PK guy, but with MacT on the bench, Pisani, Moreau, Stoll, Reasoner, Brodziak, Sanderson and Horcoff are all going to have to go down before Hemsky or Gagner get real PK time. That said, I'd be happy just seeing Gagner get quality PP time at this point.

[Draft Dodger]

the Avalanche tried a new tactic against the Wings last night: try to play to a 0-0 tie. They had 4 shots in the first two periods as they hung back and committed 100% to keeping the Wings off the board. It almost worked - Detroit scored with about 2 minutes left. oh well. back to the drawing board.

[Honolulu_Blue]

the Avalanche tried a new tactic against the Wings last night: try to play to a 0-0 tie. They had 4 shots in the first two periods as they hung back and committed 100% to keeping the Wings off the board. It almost worked - Detroit scored with about 2 minutes left. oh well. back to the drawing board.

Yeah. That seemed eerily like a preview of Round 1 of the playoffs. The Wings will out shoot whomever they are playing 40-20 and it will all come down to a lucky bounce or goal.

I hate that. It's not good for my health.

[Maple Leafs]

Thanks, Colin White. No, really, thanks. Take a(nother) stupid ass penalty, allow the Rangers a power play goal, and the Devils lose 3-1 (the third was into an empty net).

Thanks a bundle, dick.
I move that Colin White's new nickname be "bundle-dick".

Can I get a second?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I move that Colin White's new nickname be "bundle-dick".

Can I get a second?

Seconded.

[TurnerONU22]

Well, the Jackets tried to make a move to help their D by picking up Tarnstrom from the Oil (Howson and Lowe connection again). I don't know how he is defensively, but if he can help our transition game and/or PP, I think he'll be a good pickup for us. Right now, the Jackets probably have 1 D-man that can move the puck up the ice, which is rookie Kris Russell.

Seems like a low risk move, as LW Curtis Glencross went the other way in the deal, and we have a huge mess of LW in the system.

[johnnyshaka]

Well, the Jackets tried to make a move to help their D by picking up Tarnstrom from the Oil (Howson and Lowe connection again). I don't know how he is defensively, but if he can help our transition game and/or PP, I think he'll be a good pickup for us. Right now, the Jackets probably have 1 D-man that can move the puck up the ice, which is rookie Kris Russell.

Tarnstrom was a healthy scratch most nights for a last place team with 2 rookies and a 2nd year player starting ahead of him...I'm not sure he's what you're looking for.

[MikeVic]

Oilers a darkhorse? I thought their D was brutal, how would a top-line sniper move them into the playoffs all of a sudden?

[Travis]

Oilers a darkhorse? I thought their D was brutal, how would a top-line sniper move them into the playoffs all of a sudden?

Our starting 6 is far from brutal. There is a risk/reward factor with a few of the guys (Pitkanen/Gilbert), but they're a very solid group at this point. I would love to see Pitkanen and Gilbert split up to spread out their offensive abilities to two pairings, but that's nitpicking.

The Oilers biggest issue (imho) is the lack of a true shooter (hopefully Penner can develop into one) to help both the PP and the consistency of team scoring. Right now Horcoff is our "top" shooter, and that's a much bigger problem than the starting 6 on D.

[Suburban Rhythm]

JP Dumont signs an extension with Nashville, $16M over 4 years. He seemed to be a hot name for the trade deadline. Was hoping the Pens would look at him if the cost wasn't too high. Now, they just need to concentrate on a defensemen, and wait for everyone up front to get healthy.

[bhlloy]

Riley Cote just got knocked the fuck out by Parros. I'm amazed that Cote was able to get up from it - give him credit for that.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Well, bundle-dick actually scored a goal tonight, so I guess I have to get off his case for a little while.

[Dr. Sak]

Riley Cote just got knocked the fuck out by Parros. I'm amazed that Cote was able to get up from it - give him credit for that.

Yeah exactly....I thought he was going to be out for the count. Nice to see the Flyers bounce back from that 4-0 loss to the Rangers to beat Anaheim tonight 3-0.

[Maple Leafs]

Wait, so Parros is sticking woth the moustache? That wasn't just a playoff thing, or he lost a bet or something?

[Travis]

Wait, so Parros is sticking woth the moustache? That wasn't just a playoff thing, or he lost a bet or something?

There's no offseason in porn.

[Maple Leafs]

DOLA

Yesterday (1/18) was the 50th anniversary of Willie O'Ree becoming the first black player in the NHL.

Article I was reading said: 52 TOTAL black players in NHL history, 14 currently.

I can come up with about about 6 right away...Laraque, Grier, Daley, Emery, Iginla, Mayers. And there are some I don't know if they count as "current" like Anthony Stewart and Shawn Belle, as I don't think they are NHL regulars at this point. And old guys I am pretty certain are no longer current - Kevin Weekes, JL Grand-Piere, Anson Carter (pretty sure he's overseas) - but they may be on a roster somewhere.
Add Leafs rookie Robbie Earl to the list last night... looked good and picked up an assist.

As per Leaf team policy, he will kick ass for his first three games and then embark on a 15-game pointless streak.

[DeToxRox]

Red Wings win their 7th straight last night vs Boston. They have now won 7 + games in a row three times this year.

[Dr. Sak]

WIP radio, the AP, ESPN and other outlets are reporting that Paul Holmgren is in Sweden talking with Forsberg.

[MikeVic]

Anyone else watching the Canadiens/Rangers game? The commentators have it right: really feels like a playoff game.

[Dr. Sak]

Anyone else watching the Canadiens/Rangers game? The commentators have it right: really feels like a playoff game.

This is a great game. Lots of hitting and up and down tempo.

[johnnyshaka]

Definitely an enjoyable game to watch...but, why is Michael Ryder a healthy scracth??

[Chief Rum]

Wait, so Parros is sticking woth the moustache? That wasn't just a playoff thing, or he lost a bet or something?

No way! That 'stache is an icon. Parros ain't shaving it off. I think he privately still cusses out Colorado's team policy that forced him to shave it when he was there prior to coming to the Ducks last season.

[Draft Dodger]

No way! That 'stache is an icon. Parros ain't shaving it off. I think he privately still cusses out Colorado's team policy that forced him to shave it when he was there prior to coming to the Ducks last season.

Colorado's what?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_G1sbe7DPFZM/Rxrzlbex_II/AAAAAAAAAFY/7La-cGMsnu0/s320/fullj.getty-76073938dp018_calgary_flame.jpg

[Honolulu_Blue]

Red Wings win their 7th straight last night vs Boston. They have now won 7 + games in a row three times this year.

It's stuff like this, the Wings have won 7+ games in a row three times this year, that seems to be setting the Wings up perfectly for a second round playoff defeat to Calgary.

[Dr. Sak]

Wow you are optimistic that the Wings will make it out of the first round :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Last week, there was some talk during a game I watched about the entire Atlantic Division possibly making the playoffs. I thought it would be pretty neat if that happened, but the Islanders are apparently in the tank, and the Rangers are (barely) behind three teams who all have at least 3 games in hand on them. I know it's a little early to start looking at things that way, but the thoughts just crossed my mind. Wouldn't it be cool to see (most of) the old Patrick Division populating the Eastern playoffs?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wow you are optimistic that the Wings will make it out of the first round :)

That's a significant step for me. Don't mock. :)

[johnnyshaka]

Horcoff done for the season...joining Souray and Torres. Nice.

Not that the Oilers are in any position to make any noise in the West but it surely will make watching the remaining games much less enjoyable because Lowe and company surely won't bother calling up guys like Schremp or Pouliot to see what they can do.

[Travis]

Welcome back to the NHL Cujo. Wonder how much he was actually hoping he'd have to skate the last half of the ice to drop the gloves with Garon.

[johnnyshaka]

Welcome back to the NHL Cujo. Wonder how much he was actually hoping he'd have to skate the last half of the ice to drop the gloves with Garon.

That would've been something right out of the old Battle of Alberta days. Good times...good times.

[Chief Rum]

Colorado's what?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_G1sbe7DPFZM/Rxrzlbex_II/AAAAAAAAAFY/7La-cGMsnu0/s320/fullj.getty-76073938dp018_calgary_flame.jpg

Outside of the playoffs. Don't kill the messenger. Parros was famous for his 'stache with the Kings, and he had to shave it off when he went to Colorado. After he came to Anaheim, he immediately started growing it again. They made a big deal about it locally when the Ducks acquired him.

[Draft Dodger]

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1106/20061106_072149_Gparros110706_300.jpg

I don't think he shaved it for the Avs.

[Draft Dodger]

dola

nor do I think he started growing it "after he came to Anaheim"

"According to a Denver Post article on November 7, 2006, Parros got grief for shaving the moustache and has since grown it back."

"On November 13, 2006, Parros was traded to the Anaheim Ducks for a 2nd round draft pick and an option to swap 3rd round picks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Parros

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think we need to call in Arlen Spector to get to the bottom of Moustachegate.

The country deserves to know the truth. We need to know the truth.

[Honolulu_Blue]

It will be interesting to see how teams approach the trade deadline this year. Most likely, the GMs or owners will cave and you'll see the same types of deals (prospects, first rounds picks, etc. for a top line UFA), but I think there may be a bit more caution following some rather dubious results from last season. None of those deadline blockbusters worked out. Tkachuk went back the Blues, Forsberg headed back to Sweden, Bertuzzi bolted to Anaheim, Ryan Smyth took off for Colorado... Each team gave up a lot in the way of picks and prospects for very little in return.

As for the Wings, I am not sure what they'll do. For the reasons stated above, I don't think they will make a serious run at a Sundin, Hossa, or anyone like that. They were burned last year with the Calder and Bertuzzi deals. Any potential UFA they get, will almost certainly be a strict, one-year rental. The Wings are coming up against the cap. Zetterberg's sweetheart $2.9 million a year deal expires next year, so they will, in all likelihood, sign him to a lengthy extension over the summer. He'll probably cost a little more than Datsyuk's $6.7 million after the recent slew of mega-deals. I think $7 million a year over the next 6-7 years is about what the Wings would like to see. After that deal is done, the Wings will have very little cap space.

They are already considering the possibility of NOT being able to retain Super Dan Cleary. They desperately want to keep him. He's been great, but he'll probably be able to make a good $1.5-$2 million more on the open market than what the Wings can afford. While the Wings have been able to get hometown discounts from some of their players, it will be hard for Cleary. He loves it here and he totally turned his career around thanks to the Wings, but this is going to be his best shot at making some serious money. It will be tough for him to pass up that opportunity. Guys like Lidstrom, Draper, Maltby, Chelios, etc. have already made their serious coin.

I'd look for the Wings to grab a depth defensemen (not quite Rob Blake, but a step above Cory Cross). They don't want to be in a position where guys like Lilja and Quincey are forced into serious minutes due to injuries, like last year when Kronwall and Schneider went down. They may also look for a depth forward (Fedorov?).

[Draft Dodger]

Avs GM Francois Giguere does not seem to be a guy who likes to part with prospects, so I don't expect the Avs to be buyers at the deadline. Last year they added just Scott Parker and Michael Wall, and I don't think we'll be in the hunt for any of the big names this year either.

John-Michael Liles is a UFA this summer and it doesn't sound like the Avs are going to bring him back. There's a lot of talk that he'll be dealt at the deadline (hey, it's not like losing him will make our PP any worse). The mini-resurgence from Theodore gives me some thoughts that he might finally be attractive enough to be dealt. Unfortunately, he is Quenneville's favorite now and so won't be going anywhere.

[johnnyshaka]

The Oilers should most definitely be sellers. We've got a couple of RFAs we need to either deal or be prepared to pay (Stoll, Pitkannen, and Gilbert) as well as a couple of fat contracts (Roloson and Staios) that could make things a little easier next year as we're running low on cap space...thanks to retarded contracts like the ones mentioned and guys like Pisani and Moreau.

So, if I were GM of the Oilers, what would I be doing over the next little while? Well, call me crazy, but I'd be looking for suitors for a goalie. But, I wouldn't be shopping Roloson, I'd be shopping Garon. Roloson isn't going to get you much and would simply be a salary dump not netting anything of value. So, next year we'd have an extra $3 mil to sign a free agent. Great. We saw how tough it was to attract free agents last year, why risk that again? True, new ownership could resolve some of that but I wouldn't want to bank on it. Instead, why not learn from our mistakes with a career backup who is likely playing over his head...exactly like Roloson did a couple of years ago...and deal him now while his value is at it's peak? He's cheap and he's under contract for another year...surely there would a handful of teams looking for a very solid backup or even a potential starting goalie who's only making $1 mil per. Makes perfect sense to me. Keep Roloson and use him as a constant reminder to stop rewarding players based on half a season's worth of success. We've got a kid in the AHL who's playing great for the 2nd season in a row...maybe it's his time to get a shot? And, maybe Roloson turns things around and plays great the rest of the season and we try to deal him this summer...who knows?

I think Pitkannen has to go as well...his value is pretty high right now and if not for a few injuries throughout the season, I think you would have heard his name mentioned much more often as he's been electric when he's been in the lineup. I would be asking top dollar for this kid and if I didn't get it...no big deal, RFA offer sheets will surely be flying in on this guy and if we like the price...great, sign him...if not, buh-bye. Even if the sheets don't come in, take him to arbitration and deal him afterwards.

Gilbert isn't going anywhere...he's the one RFA we sign for sure and do our best to do it ASAP. He's been the biggest surprise this season and needs to be an Oiler for the forseeable future.

Stoll, well, unless we get a jaw-dropping offer, I don't see moving him just yet. His value is pretty low after a slow start this season and missing half of last season due to a concussion. He's making some decent coin right now but shouldn't figure for much of a raise because the numbers and performance just aren't there. Again, I'd hold out for a good return and if it doesn't come, I'd gauge the offer sheet frenzy this summer and go from there. If he doesn't get snatched up, sign him to a 1 year deal and hope that he's healthy next season and ship him out this time next year in hopes that he'd be worth more.

Staios is making some pretty big bucks but I'm not sure we dump this guy for nothing just yet. Staios is the only vet we've got back on the blueline right now with Souray on the shelf and he's a solid character guy who'll do whatever it takes...we're definitely lacking in that department. As young as we are on the backend, I think I eat the salary and keep him...but, with that said, if somebody knocks my socks off I would do a deal in a heartbeat.

I'd be on the phone to Tampa to see what Richards, Vinny, or Boyle are going to cost because I've got some chips to deal that I think the Lightning just might like. Garon, for one, could start for them or at least push Denis and he's definitely on the cheap. Pitkannen would definitely be a good fit especially if they can't lock up Boyle. I would bring up Schremp's name. And, if I were talking about Vinny I'd mention Cogliano's name. If it's Richards, I'd probably say something about Stoll.

If that didn't pan out, I'd give the Panthers a call and have a very similar conversation about Jokinen.

What do I think the Lowe is going to do? I'd say he'll probably dump Roloson for a mid-round pick or a fringe prospect. I think that's the deal everybody knows is coming. I also think he's going to deal Pitkannen with another player or two...maybe another RFA like Robert Nilsson or maybe even Stoll for several prospects and picks. Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to get any "current" talent back nor do I think he'll make an attempt at a super star who's under contract.

The next couple of weeks should be interesting.

[Draft Dodger]

Garon was a terrific signing. I would have loved for the Avs to have picked him up this summer. Whether they move him or Roloson, it was a great pickup to give them that flexibility.

[Maple Leafs]

Honolulu_Blue should enjoy this:
http://www.leafsaretrash.com/comparative-analysis-team-composition-detroit-and-toronto/

[Maple Leafs]

I think we need to call in Arlen Spector to get to the bottom of Moustachegate.

The country deserves to know the truth. We need to know the truth.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/06/buys-and-sells-george-parros-and-his-mustache-of-doom

[Honolulu_Blue]

Honolulu_Blue should enjoy this:
http://www.leafsaretrash.com/comparative-analysis-team-composition-detroit-and-toronto/

Thanks, ML. I did enjoy it.

The kicker to that sound analysis is that the Wings have built their team using groomed drafts over the course of many years in which they either had no first round pick or picked near the very bottom of the first round. In the last 15 years, (other than the wonky 2005 draft lottery thing) the highest the Wings have drafted was 22nd overall ('92 (Curtis Bowen) and '93 (Anders Eriksson)).

Of the players in that list, only Kronwall (29th overall) was a first round pick.

[johnnyshaka]

Garon was a terrific signing. I would have loved for the Avs to have picked him up this summer. Whether they move him or Roloson, it was a great pickup to give them that flexibility.

I really liked it from the get go as well...especially considering the cost. I just hope the Oilers don't bank on him becoming a number one guy...like they did with Roloson. He is what he is...a cheap backup playing over his head and a bargaining chip.

[Travis]

I'll have to disagree with Johnny. I'd much prefer to see Garon here as the #1 next year even if we can only get a bag of pucks for Roloson. I definitely want to see Deslauriers get a crack next year (playing 20-30 games), but relying on him to backstop the Oilers to the playoffs is quite a tall task, and one which I can't imagine Roli would be up to if he's the goalie retained. The fact they're only a game under .500 to this point of the season with all the injuries they've had certainly points to potential success next year if they can battle this hard and not lose so much time to injury. I'd much rather see what they can accomplish with Garon backstopping that effort than a rookie or Roli (never mind finishing off this season stronger as well seeing as how our first won't benefit us anyways).

Not only that, but dishing Roloson could open up enough room to sign Pitkanen long term (a move I want to see) which would allow them to move Staios while he still has value (and clear his 2+ million contract). Now is also the perfect time to resign Stoll, if possible to a 3+ year deal as he's at a low value point and will hopefully be all the way back from his injury next season. It's a low risk/high reward contract situation that could pay off a lot more than anything they're likely to get for him in a trade right now. Add in that we now have an owner who can afford to eat a contract like that if things don't turn out well gives them some room to try and get Stoll for a bargain if he does return to last year's form.

Past that, I fully agree with you in that no matter the situation, look to add a top two line player at the deadline who is signed at least through next season. Adding picks/prospects at this point just adds to a logjam (especially at the forward positions) when what this team is really missing right now is a top tier finisher. Use some of the resources currently available as far as picks and prospects to nab a player of that ilk, then look at recouping some of those assets by moving guys like Roli and Staios. Odds are we can't bank on dipping into the UFA market for a player like that (would be a nice bonus if that were the case), so overpay a bit if necessary as the overall youth of the current team should mean roster turnover the next few seasons should be relatively minimal.

[bhlloy]

when what this team is really missing right now is a top tier finisher.

You mean that's not what the $50m you spent on a career third-liner got you? :p

Kevin Lowe - bringing new meaning to the word "desperation"

[johnnyshaka]

You mean that's not what the $50m you spent on a career third-liner got you? :p

I'm not sure who you are talking about...we don't have any guys making that kind of money.

[Pyser]

my goodness, the buffalo play by play guy does nothing but scream ALL GAME.

i dont know how you listen to that all year.

[Chief Rum]

I'm not sure who you are talking about...we don't have any guys making that kind of money.

Well, bhlloy overshot the amount abit. But I am pretty sure his point is that if indeed there do happen to be any Oiler RFAs worth a damn available on July 1, there will be a ton of GMs itching to make ridiculous offers and let Lowe know how they feel about his opening Pandora's box last year.

[johnnyshaka]

Well, bhlloy overshot the amount abit. But I am pretty sure his point is that if indeed there do happen to be any Oiler RFAs worth a damn available on July 1, there will be a ton of GMs itching to make ridiculous offers and let Lowe know how they feel about his opening Pandora's box last year.

Yeah, overshot just a wee bit...by over 100%. :rolleyes:

Pandora's box? Do we really have to get into this again? Lowe is hardly the first guy to do this and in fact over the years the Oilers have been the most frequent victim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

I don't know why you are still whining about this...you'll have, at worst, a top 10 pick because of it.

I hope GMs do make ridiculous offers on all of our RFAs...we could use some picks in 2009 and it would clear up some cap space. Offer away!!!

[Dr. Sak]

my goodness, the buffalo play by play guy does nothing but scream ALL GAME.

i dont know how you listen to that all year.

THANK YOU!! I have been saying that for years...he is so annoying to listen to.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I can't believe it. I just can't believe it. As a longtime Devils fan, I can't believe that I came to work wearing a Penguins cap. I also have a Penguins shirt with me, which I will change into before I leave. I've been to a handful of Penguins games, but this is the first time that I'm dressing as a Pens fan.

The Devils fan in me wants the Islanders to beat Pittsburgh tonight, as the Islanders are at the bottom of the division and unlikely to make the playoffs. The western Pennsylvania resident and good husband in me wants the Penguins to win. I'll be behind one of the nets tonight as the Penguins host the Islanders. I'll cheer for the Penguins when I'm there. I just hope that none of the fans remember me as the guy dressed in Devils red last year. I think I was the only guy in the building who didn't cheer when Malkin scored his first NHL goal that night.

Wish me luck.

[Dr. Sak]

Good luck and somewhere Lou Lamoriello is crying.

I'll admit I rooted for the Pens last year when I went to games because the Flyers just stunk. But this year I go and root for the outcome that will best help my team.

[Travis]

Just to clarify, I'm still a fan of the Penner move and really like what he's shown over the second half of the season so far, but if we could add an established first line scorer and be able to play Penner on the second line at least through next season it'd give the team two lines that can contribute on a regular basis, improve the PP and a bit of team depth in that role.

[johnnyshaka]

Just to clarify, I'm still a fan of the Penner move and really like what he's shown over the second half of the season so far, but if we could add an established first line scorer and be able to play Penner on the second line at least through next season it'd give the team two lines that can contribute on a regular basis, improve the PP and a bit of team depth in that role.

What I'd love to see is something like Pitkanen, Schremp, Stoll, Cogliano and maybe a pick go to Florida for Bouwmeester and Jokinen. Penner and Jokinen on the first line with Hemsky and getting Horcoff back on the second line, where he belongs, with Gagne and Nilsson.

[Draft Dodger]

someone just pointed me to this awesome site (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html) that calculates a team's odds of making the playoffs (changed daily).

[Pumpy Tudors]

someone just pointed me to this awesome site (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html) that calculates a team's odds of making the playoffs (changed daily).
This is awesome. Thanks. According to that site, the Penguins-Islanders game makes pretty much no difference to the Devils' playoff chances. I can cheer for the Penguins in peace.

[RomaGoth]

I'd look for the Wings to grab a depth defensemen (not quite Rob Blake, but a step above Cory Cross). They don't want to be in a position where guys like Lilja and Quincey are forced into serious minutes due to injuries, like last year when Kronwall and Schneider went down. They may also look for a depth forward (Fedorov?).

Only reason to pick up Fedorov is for depth on the Injured List. Best thing they ever did was let him leave. Bringing him back would be a mistake. Even as a depth forward.

[RomaGoth]

The Wings continue to win at an alarming pace. As a Wings fan it is exciting but scary at the same time. Usually with this team, the more they win in the regular season, the less they win in the postseason. If they do not win the Cup this year, serious consideration should be taken into firing Babcock. He has yet to show he can coach when the games really matter.

[MikeVic]

The Wings continue to win at an alarming pace. As a Wings fan it is exciting but scary at the same time. Usually with this team, the more they win in the regular season, the less they win in the postseason. If they do not win the Cup this year, serious consideration should be taken into firing Babcock. He has yet to show he can coach when the games really matter.

Don't worry, if you dominate in the regular season, you always win the championship. In any sport. I can't think of the last time this hasn't happened.

[RomaGoth]

Don't worry, if you dominate in the regular season, you always win the championship. In any sport. I can't think of the last time this hasn't happened.

+1

[RomaGoth]

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1106/20061106_072149_Gparros110706_300.jpg

I don't think he shaved it for the Avs.

My wife would never let me grow my hair like this. Of course, that implies that I COULD grow it like this. Which I can't. The mustache, however......

[Honolulu_Blue]

Only reason to pick up Fedorov is for depth on the Injured List. Best thing they ever did was let him leave. Bringing him back would be a mistake. Even as a depth forward.

Right, because, the Wings never had any success when Fedorov was on the the team (3 Stanley Cups) and he never performed well in the playoffs (163 points in 162 playoff games).

Fedorov wouldn't be brought in to be a top line forward. I think he'd be a great fit. He's sound defensively, he still has some wheels, and can play well in the Wings' puck possession style.

[Honolulu_Blue]

If they do not win the Cup this year, serious consideration should be taken into firing Babcock. He has yet to show he can coach when the games really matter.

Stop it.

Babcock took Anaheim to the Cup finals. A lot of people seem to forget that the Wings actually were pretty successful last year in the playoffs and won a lot of games that "really mattered." They were one bad clearing attempt and an Andreas Lilja brain-fart away of being up 3-2 on the Cup winners. They were really close.

[MikeVic]

I thought Fedorov played defense now?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Don't worry, if you dominate in the regular season, you always win the championship. In any sport. I can't think of the last time this hasn't happened.

Babcock took note of this.

A local news station here interviewed him and Babcock said he was going to use clips of the Super Bowl to remind the Red Wings that their season is all about winning their last game.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I thought Fedorov played defense now?

He moves back and forth. He did this in Detroit too at times.

[Draft Dodger]

My wife would never let me grow my hair like this. Of course, that implies that I COULD grow it like this. Which I can't. The mustache, however......

I was rockin' a fu for a little while this winter, but finally bowed to my wife's pressure.

well, that and the fact that it was kind of a pain to maintain.

[RomaGoth]

Babcock took note of this.

A local news station here interviewed him and Babcock said he was going to use clips of the Super Bowl to remind the Red Wings that their season is all about winning their last game.

Did he get these "clips" from the Hoodie? ;)

[RomaGoth]

Stop it.

Babcock took Anaheim to the Cup finals. A lot of people seem to forget that the Wings actually were pretty successful last year in the playoffs and won a lot of games that "really mattered." They were one bad clearing attempt and an Andreas Lilja brain-fart away of being up 3-2 on the Cup winners. They were really close.

Babcock has not proven anything to me yet. When you have the best run team in the NHL (and arguably the best run sports franchise in any sport), you should be winning in the regular season and the playoffs. Bowman did a great job with this team during his coaching tenure with the Wings. I understand you cannot win every season, but I (as you probably do as well) remember the dark days of the Wings. I do not want to revisit those days without at least a few more Cups under our belt. This Wings team has been too good for too long to only have 3 Cups in nearly 13 stellar seasons. Perhaps my expectations are too high, but that is what happens when your team wins consistently. So, Babcock needs to win at least 1 Cup with the Wings or his coaching tenure is a failure. At least IMHO. :)

[Honolulu_Blue]

So, Babcock needs to win at least 1 Cup with the Wings or his coaching tenure is a failure. At least IMHO. :)

That's quite a different statement than:

"If they do not win the Cup this year, serious consideration should be taken into firing Babcock. He has yet to show he can coach when the games really matter."

Yes, Bowman had a great run with the Wings. Amazing. He's the greatest NHL coach of all time. That said, he was coach for 9 years and won 3 cups. The Wings didn't win their first Cup until Bowman's 4th year behind the bench.

By your rationale, the Wings should have seriously considered firing Bowman after the '95-'96 season, which, by the way, is the season that has most closely paralleled this season in terms regular season success... That '95-'96 Wings team had one of the best regular seasons in NHL history in terms of points and wins and what not. They got bounced in the Conference Finals by the Avs.

[Maple Leafs]

someone just pointed me to this awesome site (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html) that calculates a team's odds of making the playoffs (changed daily).
When I go to that site, I get "The page cannot be displayed".

How does it know I'm a Leaf fan?

[johnnyshaka]

How does it know I'm a Leaf fan?

All of your IPs are tracked...but you didn't hear it from me.

[RomaGoth]

That's quite a different statement than:

"If they do not win the Cup this year, serious consideration should be taken into firing Babcock. He has yet to show he can coach when the games really matter."

Yes, Bowman had a great run with the Wings. Amazing. He's the greatest NHL coach of all time. That said, he was coach for 9 years and won 3 cups. The Wings didn't win their first Cup until Bowman's 4th year behind the bench.

By your rationale, the Wings should have seriously considered firing Bowman after the '95-'96 season, which, by the way, is the season that has most closely paralleled this season in terms regular season success... That '95-'96 Wings team had one of the best regular seasons in NHL history in terms of points and wins and what not. They got bounced in the Conference Finals by the Avs.

Not at all. The difference is that Bowman had already proven himself, where as Babcock has not. That is the basis of my argument. When Bowman took over the Wings, they were not yet the power they are today. He completely changed their mentality from perennial wannabe's to winners. Babcock is just continuing that tradition. He needs to take them into the next phase: winning a Cup. Going to the finals with Anaheim once does not constitute a great coach or a great career. I am hoping that we do not see a repeat of that 95-96 playoffs.

[bbor]

When I go to that site, I get "The page cannot be displayed".

How does it know I'm a Leaf fan?


It's your Kerry Fraser hair cut.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Not at all. The difference is that Bowman had already proven himself, where as Babcock has not. That is the basis of my argument. When Bowman took over the Wings, they were not yet the power they are today. He completely changed their mentality from perennial wannabe's to winners. Babcock is just continuing that tradition. He needs to take them into the next phase: winning a Cup. Going to the finals with Anaheim once does not constitute a great coach or a great career. I am hoping that we do not see a repeat of that 95-96 playoffs.

In 1996-96 the Wings were the epitome of "perennial wannabes." Even after the second Cup in 1998, the Wings continued to under perform in the playoffs, exiting in the second round in 99 and 00 and the first in 01. It wasn't until the Wings managed to add that collection of all-stars (Robitaille, Hull, and Hasek) to their already talent-laden team in 2001-2002, that the Wings became "winners" again.

In 2003 and 2004, the Dave Lewis coached Wings, again, lost in the first and second rounds, respectively.

Then the strike comes and the salary cap is put in place. The Wings lose in the first round in 2006, which, let's be honest, is more consistent with the last 10 years than winning the Cup would have been.

The Wings then lose stalwarts like Yzerman and Shanahan, but still manage to make it to the Conference Finals, the furthest they made it in the playoffs in 8 years (other than that super '02 team).

I think Babcock has done a great job with this team. No, he's not Scotty Bowman. He will likely never be Scotty Bowman. But that's not a fair comparison for any coach. He's Scotty Freakin' Bowman.

[RomaGoth]

In 1996-96 the Wings were the epitome of "perennial wannabes." Even after the second Cup in 1998, the Wings continued to under perform in the playoffs, exiting in the second round in 99 and 00 and the first in 01. It wasn't until the Wings managed to add that collection of all-stars (Robitaille, Hull, and Hasek) to their already talent-laden team in 2001-2002, that the Wings became "winners" again.

In 2003 and 2004, the Dave Lewis coached Wings, again, lost in the first and second rounds, respectively.

Then the strike comes and the salary cap is put in place. The Wings lose in the first round in 2006, which, let's be honest, is more consistent with the last 10 years than winning the Cup would have been.

The Wings then lose stalwarts like Yzerman and Shanahan, but still manage to make it to the Conference Finals, the furthest they made it in the playoffs in 8 years (other than that super '02 team).

I think Babcock has done a great job with this team. No, he's not Scotty Bowman. He will likely never be Scotty Bowman. But that's not a fair comparison for any coach. He's Scotty Freakin' Bowman.

+1

All very good points.

[Maple Leafs]

Interesting survey that apparently shows that more sports fans consider hockey their favorite sport than NBA basketball.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=622

I don't think 5% is good, and it's well behind football, baseball, and auto racing. But it's higher than it's been in 20 years, and still better than basketball, golf, and tennis.

Of course, let people list a top three or top five instead of just one and watch the numbers change radically.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, overshot just a wee bit...by over 100%. :rolleyes:

Pandora's box? Do we really have to get into this again? Lowe is hardly the first guy to do this and in fact over the years the Oilers have been the most frequent victim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

I don't know why you are still whining about this...you'll have, at worst, a top 10 pick because of it.

I hope GMs do make ridiculous offers on all of our RFAs...we could use some picks in 2009 and it would clear up some cap space. Offer away!!!

Ducks don't need to. You can hope more needy teams may give it a shot, though (too bad you can't "poach" yourself, huh?).

[Dr. Sak]

For the USA Hockey fans

USA Hockey Magazine predicts '10 Olympic roster

Forwards:
Dustin Brown
Brian Gionta
Patrick Kane
Erik Cole
Scott Gomez
Phil Kessel
Chris Drury (shoe-in for Cpt)
Chris Higgins
Ryan Kessler
Zack Parise
Brian Rolston
Paul Stastny
RJ Umberger

Defense
Chris Chelios (he'd be 46)
Mike Komisarek
Erik Johnson
Paul Martin
Jack Johnson
Brian Rafalski
Ryan Whitney

Goalies
Rick DiPietro
Ryan Miller
Tim Thomas

[Ryan S]

Chris Chelios (he'd be 46)

He is 46 now, he will be 48 when the Olympics start.

[Maple Leafs]

The linesman in today's Rangers/Flyers game getting kicked in the face, suffering a broken jaw and 60-stitch cut, then pushing the ref away so he could go break up a fight was probably the most badass thing I've seen all year.

Seriously, the NHL should use that in their commercials.

[Draft Dodger]

The linesman in today's Rangers/Flyers game getting kicked in the face, suffering a broken jaw and 60-stitch cut, then pushing the ref away so he could go break up a fight was probably the most badass thing I've seen all year.

Seriously, the NHL should use that in their commercials.

Hey, check out the new blog!

(I probably should get the "down goes brown" reference, but it's escaping me at the moment)

[Maple Leafs]

(I probably should get the "down goes brown" reference, but it's escaping me at the moment)

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[Chief Rum]

Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
...

[Draft Dodger]

a youtube video

nice!

it's totally awesome that you've created a blog dedicated to the other Avalanche captain...

http://www.avalanchedb.com/photos/other/Lefebvre.jpg

[RendeR]

Panthers Zednick gets cut in the neck by a skate from a falling teamate and is rushed to the locker room, the entire medical staff is working on him, there is blood all over the ice and the game has been halted for the time being in Buffalo.

[Chief Rum]

Panthers Zednick gets cut in the neck by a skate from a falling teamate and is rushed to the locker room, the entire medical staff is working on him, there is blood all over the ice and the game has been halted for the time being in Buffalo.

Holy shit...

[Maple Leafs]

Any update? I see the game has resumed, is Zednick OK?

[Chief Rum]

Any update? I see the game has resumed, is Zednick OK?

Yes, would like an update. Tried to find something online, but just seeing the live box score.

[Maple Leafs]

TSN.ca says he's stable and on his way to the hospital.

[sterlingice]

According to ESPN.com:

Players and coaches on both benches looked on in shock, and a silent hush fell over the crowd at HSBC Arena. The game was delayed for more than 15 minutes as crews scraped the blood from the ice.

"Richard Zednik is in stable condition and on his way to a Buffalo hospital," was the announcement over the loudspeaker.



SI

[NoSkillz]

I must have said 'Holy Shit' about fifty times after it happened...Malarchuk all over again and in Buffalo, no less.

I just hope he's okay...there was a huge trail of blood all the way from the corner to the bench.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Is this accurate? Or did the reporter get a little ahead of himself?

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/273338.html
Updated: 02/10/08 8:39 PM

The scariest moment in hockey happened again in Buffalo, as a player had his jugular vein severed Sunday night during the Sabres game against the Florida Panthers. Florida's Richard Zednik was struck in the throat by the skate of falling teammate Olli Jokinen, a large trail of blood leading Zednik halfway across the ice to the dressing room.

Zednik skated from the corner to his bench, where he was greeted by trainers from both teams who applied pressure to the neck of the 32-year-old. He was quickly escorted back through the tunnel leading to the dressing room.

Officials and players waved for the medical personnel, who turned away from the rink and ran back for a stretcher. Upon returning to the entrance, officials waved off the unnecessary stretcher and skated briskly across the ice with a paramedic in tow.

Gasps came from the sellout crowd in HSBC Arena as it saw the more than 100-foot blood trail on the ice. After a 15-minute delay, the public-address announcer relayed that Zednik was in stable condition and on his way to a Buffalo hospital. Fans responded with a standing ovation, but silence quickly returned.

Longtime residents and Sabres fans quickly flashed back to March 1989, when the jugular of Sabres goaltender Clint Malarchuk was slashed by the skate of St. Louis' Steve Tuttle.

In case it isn't clear, I'm questioning the specific injury that's being cited.

[Galaxy]

http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=55248

Panthers' Zednick Injured by Skate, Rushed to Hospital

Click here to add your comments on this story!
Posted by: Thea Tio, Reporter

Created: 2/10/2008 8:40:46 PM
Updated: 2/10/2008 8:54:24 PM

Panthers hockey player Richard Zednick was injured when his teammate's skate cut his neck at a Sabres game on Sunday evening.

Sabres' doctors immediately stopped the bleeding.

A trail of blood could be seen from the goal line in the Sabres' zone all the way to the Panthers' bench.

Zednick was transported to Buffalo General Hospital. He is in stable condition and will undergo surgery.

Channel 2 will have more information in tonight's 11 PM newscast and right here on wgrz.com.

[Galaxy]

Lindy Ruff seems pretty chocked-up about it in the post-game interview.

[Galaxy]

He's now in surgery.

[Maple Leafs]

The footage:

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Edit: It's disturbing, but not especially gruesome.

[Galaxy]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/414253.html

[RendeR]

Sorry I wasn't updating that guys, I was huddle on the couch with Telle as we waited patiently to hear that he was ok. It was really scary to watch. (I actually missed the live action, Telle told me it happened then they showed the replays.)

[Fidatelo]

So when do we start hearing the calls for mandatory neck guards?

[johnnyshaka]

So when do we start hearing the calls for mandatory neck guards?

It didn't happen after Malarchuk...why would it now?? Not that they would be obstructive in anyway...

[Fidatelo]

It didn't happen after Malarchuk...why would it now?? Not that they would be obstructive in anyway...

Because the media jumps all over things now, and our culture is much more about protecting people from themselves in all areas than it was 20 years ago.

[Travis]

If they can't get visors to be mandatory, I highly doubt neckguards will get that designation.

Which is unfortunate really. The sooner both are mandated, the better.

[johnnyshaka]

Because the media jumps all over things now, and our culture is much more about protecting people from themselves in all areas than it was 20 years ago.

Good point. I can't believe it's been 20 years since that incident.

[Fidatelo]

I know it's dumb, but I wouldn't want neckguards mandatory. I play once a week, and while I do wear a visor, there are two pieces of equipment that I just don't feel comfortable in: a neckguard, and a mouth guard.

I wore a neck guard as a kid, and I just hated the thing. After losing most of a front tooth in a floor hockey game, I tried wearing a mouth guard, but I'm a mouth breather and I just found it tourturous trying to get air. I actually took a puck in the mouth four weeks ago that thankfully didn't cost me any teeth (although it opened me up pretty good), and still my mouthguard sits at the bottom of my bag. I think I might be more comfortable moving to a full cage, but I haven't made up my mind.

[johnnyshaka]

I know it's dumb, but I wouldn't want neckguards mandatory. I play once a week, and while I do wear a visor, there are two pieces of equipment that I just don't feel comfortable in: a neckguard, and a mouth guard.

I wore a neck guard as a kid, and I just hated the thing. After losing most of a front tooth in a floor hockey game, I tried wearing a mouth guard, but I'm a mouth breather and I just found it tourturous trying to get air. I actually took a puck in the mouth four weeks ago that thankfully didn't cost me any teeth (although it opened me up pretty good), and still my mouthguard sits at the bottom of my bag. I think I might be more comfortable moving to a full cage, but I haven't made up my mind.


I, too, play once a week and have never worn a mouth piece...but, I do wear a cage...always have. Well, save for about half a dozen games about 15 years ago when I took an elbow in the chops and suffered my last concussion. But, I do have all of my own teeth...thankfully.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
Please let the Wings and Ducks meet in the playoffs...
...

While I don't think that one bad call determines an outcome of a game (save some exceptional circumstances), that was a very bad call.

[Draft Dodger]

I can't stop looking at this photo up at TSN.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20080210/zednik_83025.jpg

not for Zednick...but for the look on the faces of the people in the stands.

[johnnyshaka]

Definitely glad to hear he's doing well.

[Fidatelo]

I, too, play once a week and have never worn a mouth piece...but, I do wear a cage...always have. Well, save for about half a dozen games about 15 years ago when I took an elbow in the chops and suffered my last concussion. But, I do have all of my own teeth...thankfully.

Have you ever tried a full shield? I remember they used to fog up really bad, but maybe the technology has improved? Or is the cage just the better way to go? Do you find the bars annoying?

[johnnyshaka]

Have you ever tried a full shield? I remember they used to fog up really bad, but maybe the technology has improved? Or is the cage just the better way to go? Do you find the bars annoying?

I've never had a full shield for the exact reason you stated...fogging up. For the short time I went without a cage I had a half shield and even it fogged up like crazy...but that was 10 years ago...and like you said, I'm sure the technology has improved.

I'm 33 years old, so I grew up having to wear a cage. That's 25 years or so...I'd say I'm definitely use to it. Do I find the bars annoying?? Not at all, but I'm sure if you aren't use to it there would be an adjustment period. Once you get over the "pride" or "macho" factor of wearing a cage then I think adjusting to the bars will take no time whatsoever.

At my regular shinny game, I was the only one wearing a cage probably 5-10 years ago. Now, I'd say about at least a third of the guys either have cages or full shields. Funny thing is, most of the converts are older than me and never had to wear cages as a kid but are sick of sticks in the mouth...who knows.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Please educate a southern boy here. What's a "shinny" game? I imagine it's like a recreational game, but does anyone know why it's called "shinny"?

[Logan]

Pumpy to the rescue. I didn't wanna be that guy.

[Dr. Sak]

Oh by the way...yesterday at the Pens-Flyers game I got to sit in Ty Conklin's seats and after the game got to shake Mario Lemieux's hand.

[Travis]

Please educate a southern boy here. What's a "shinny" game? I imagine it's like a recreational game, but does anyone know why it's called "shinny"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinny

Shinny, generally believed to be a pre-cursor to ice hockey[/URL], was informal enough in its formative years that the pucks and sticks were often makeshift. During the Great Depression, for example, northern boys used tree branches or broomhandles as sticks, a tin can, a piece of wood, and even a frozen road apple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey) (farm animal dropping) as a puck. Any object about the right size might serve as a puck. The name is derived from the Scottish game shinty[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinty"] and indeed shinny was a common name for one of shinty's many regional variations in Scotland. Shinny, a primarily Canadian term, is usually called scrimmage, pick-up hockey or RAT Hockey in the United States.

Some stuff in there I wasn't familiar with, good question.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Pumpy to the rescue. I didn't wanna be that guy.
Whenever there's something that I don't get about hockey, I can pretty much cover myself by saying "I'm from the south!"
Oh by the way...yesterday at the Pens-Flyers game I got to sit in Ty Conklin's seats and after the game got to shake Mario Lemieux's hand.
That is awesome. I considered trying to go (as we'd discussed in PM), but then I remembered that my bowling league was in action last night. Too bad the game didn't go your way, pal. :)

[Fidatelo]

I've never had a full shield for the exact reason you stated...fogging up. For the short time I went without a cage I had a half shield and even it fogged up like crazy...but that was 10 years ago...and like you said, I'm sure the technology has improved.

I'm 33 years old, so I grew up having to wear a cage. That's 25 years or so...I'd say I'm definitely use to it. Do I find the bars annoying?? Not at all, but I'm sure if you aren't use to it there would be an adjustment period. Once you get over the "pride" or "macho" factor of wearing a cage then I think adjusting to the bars will take no time whatsoever.

At my regular shinny game, I was the only one wearing a cage probably 5-10 years ago. Now, I'd say about at least a third of the guys either have cages or full shields. Funny thing is, most of the converts are older than me and never had to wear cages as a kid but are sick of sticks in the mouth...who knows.

Thanks for the info. My brother-in-law (who incidently is the one who put the puck in my face last month) has been trying to convince me to get a cage (he wears one). I suppose the major reason I haven't is definitely the 'pride' factor, which is really pretty dumb, but also I just think they look weird (even dumber). I think I'd get a shield right away if I knew it wouldn't fog up, but I don't want to waste the money only to move to a cage or back to my visor.

I don't find my visor fogs all that badly, although it has a couple times. I just a keep a towel on the bench and wipe it in the rare times I need to, but I don't see that being very easy with a full shield.

Decisions, decisions... :)

[MikeVic]

Frozen road apple. lol.

[Maple Leafs]

Hurricans trade Stillman and Commodore to the Sens for Corvo and Eaves.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hurricans trade Stillman and Commodore to the Sens for Corvo and Eaves.

I like that trade for the Senators. Commodore is likely to be a more valuable defensemen in the playoffs than Corvo and Stillman is putting together a pretty solid offensive year.

[johnnyshaka]

I suppose the major reason I haven't is definitely the 'pride' factor, which is really pretty dumb, but also I just think they look weird (even dumber).

Just so you don't think any less of me...my grill is all scratched up and looks pretty tough. As tough as a cage can look at least. :D

[Wolfpack]

Hurricans trade Stillman and Commodore to the Sens for Corvo and Eaves.

I like that trade for the Senators. Commodore is likely to be a more valuable defensemen in the playoffs than Corvo and Stillman is putting together a pretty solid offensive year.

I admit to feeling rather mixed about this. Commodore and Stillman were going to be FAs after this year, so perhaps Rutherford felt it was a longshot to keep either or both. Still, they made great contributions and Commodore was a fan favorite.

Corvo looks to be a good pickup for our lackluster PP, but we've been in need of better defense, not offense. Eaves, obviously, is a gamble. He's young, but he's been hurt, so it's unknown what we got with him.

This looks like a "sell" trade as JR probably figured there wasn't going to be any magic this year. However, given the craptacularity of the division, he didn't cripple the team so they couldn't have a chance at the playoffs and the valuable home gates that go with it.

[Maple Leafs]

Corvo looks to be a good pickup for our lackluster PP
This may be true, but in general Corvo is a terrible player. He's marginally decent offensively, but he's terrible defensively. Awful. The Leafs blueline thinks he's bad.

[Wolfpack]

This may be true, but in general Corvo is a terrible player. He's marginally decent offensively, but he's terrible defensively. Awful. The Leafs blueline thinks he's bad.

I wouldn't dispute that. Carolina hasn't had problems scoring this year (except in stretches including lately), but they've been horrid on defense. Curiously, the magic phrase that fans seem to think would be the cure is "puck-moving defenseman", so here he is, I suppose. I'd rather have a puck-stopping one at the moment. Then again, if he's more of an offensive-minded defenseman, then this probably fits into Laviolette's style more as he's definitely "best defense is a good offense" in philosphy.

Another consideration is that Matt Cullen really has not come back from that vicious hit he took against New York back in December. He has played in stretches, but has been out the last several games due to vision problems. Ostensibly, if Corvo is coming in for his puck-moving and power play abilities, then there is some justification to bringing him in in particular as a sub for Cullen on the power play. (It should however, also be noted, that we are also desperate for help on the PK as we're pretty rank there as an extension of our atrocious defense, so if he's as bad as you think he is, this isn't going to solve that problem....)

[Chief Rum]

While I don't think that one bad call determines an outcome of a game (save some exceptional circumstances), that was a very bad call.

Thought you might say that. And while I agree, the penalty you were on that gave you that opportunity was an equally bad call. As was calling goalie interference earlier in the game on us when we scored a goal--on the goalscorer as he carried the puck!

Sorry, that last was a bad call, but Wings fans should be happy the refs kept them in the game close enough for it to matter.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, just talking specifics of where that game stood with respect to the score. Largely the Wings outplayed the Ducks and deserved better, and there is little doubt the Wings are the best team right now. But since we both had goals waved off that shouldn't have been, I am thinking we're pretty even on that one.