cartman's FOFC College Football Top 25 Poll, open for voting, games of Oct. 6th

[cartman]

Hello all,

Sorry I didn't get this started yesterday. I was out of town, and didn't get home until 10:30 last night.

Exports are due in by 7pm Central on Wednesday, Oct. 10th.

Here's how last week's Top 25 fared:

Team Rec. Weekend Result
1. LSU 6-0 beat #10 Florida 28-24
2. USC 4-1 lost to Stanford 24-23
3. California 5-0 Bye
4. Ohio State 6-0 beat #20 Purdue 23-7
5. South Florida 5-0 beat Florida Atlantic 35-23
6. Boston College 6-0 beat Bowling Green 55-24
7. Wisconsin 5-1 lost to Illinois 31-26
8. Kentucky 5-1 lost to #15 South Carolina 38-23
9. Oklahoma 5-1 beat #19 Texas 28-21
10. Florida 4-2 lost to #1 LSU 28-24
11. Oregon 4-1 Bye
12. West Virginia 5-1 beat Syracuse 55-14
13. Arizona State 6-0 beat Washington State 23-20
14. Missouri 5-0 beat #22 Nebraska 41-6
15. South Carolina 5-1 beat #8 Kentucky 38-23
16. Georgia 4-2 lost to Tennessee 35-14
17. Cincinnati 6-0 beat #24 Rutgers 28-23
18. Hawaii 6-0 beat Utah State 52-37
19. Texas 4-2 lost to #9 Oklahoma 28-21
20. Purdue 5-1 lost to #4 Ohio State 23-7
21. Virginia Tech 5-1 beat #23 Clemson 41-23
22. Nebraska 4-2 lost to #14 Missouri 41-6
23. Clemson 4-2 lost to #21 Virginia Tech 41-23
T24. Rutgers 3-2 lost to #17 Cincinnati 28-23
T24. Kansas 5-0 beat Kansas State 30-24

[vex]

1) LSU
2) California
3) Ohio State
4) Boston College
5) Oklahoma
6) South Florida
7) South Carolina
8) West Virginia
9) Missouri
10) Arizona State
11) USC
12) Virginia Tech
13) Hawaii
14) Oregon
15) Wisconsin
16) Cincinnati
17) Illinois
18) Florida
19) Kansas
20) Florida State
21) Kentucky
22) Texas
23) Colorado
24) Purdue
25) Indiana

[duckman]

Louisiana State
California
Ohio State
Boston College
Oklahoma
South Florida
South Carolina
Southern California
Oregon
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Arizona State
Missouri
Illinois
Florida
Hawaii
Kentucky
Cincinnati
Kansas
Virginia Tech
Texas
Florida State
Auburn
Texas Tech
Indiana

[Butter]

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 520pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=693 border=0><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 520pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 25344" width=693><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 520pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=693 height=17>1. LSU (2)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>2. Cal (3)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>3. Ohio State (4)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>4. Oregon (6)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>5. Oklahoma (7)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>6. South Florida (8)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>7. South Carolina (14)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>8. Boston College (9)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>9. Missouri (15)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>10. USC (1)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>11. Cincinnati (12)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>12. Arizona State (17)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>13. Virginia Tech (22)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>14. Hawaii (16)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>15. Illinois (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>16. West Virginia (19)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>17. Florida (5)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>18. Kentucky (10)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>19. Florida State (24)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>20. Kansas (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>21. Auburn (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>22. Connecticut (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>23. Boise State (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>24. Tennessee (NR)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>25. Wisconsin (11)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl65 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Dropped out: (13) Georgia, (18) Clemson, (20) Texas, (21) Purdue, (23) Kansas State, (25) Rutgers</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Dr. Sak]

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. West Virginia
8. USC
9. South Carolina
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. Illinois
13. Missouri
14. Cincinnati
15. Florida
16. Kentucky
17. Wisconsin
18. Arizona State
19. Hawaii
20. Auburn
21. Virginia
22. Michigan
23. Kansas
24. Georgia
25. Texas

[mckerney]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Cal
4. South Carolina
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. West Virginia
8. Missouri
9. Oregon
10. Florida
11. Auburn
12. Southern Cal
13. Arizona State
14. Boston College
15. Cincinatti
16. Virginia Tech
17. Tennessee
18. Kentucky
19. Kansas
20. Florida State
21. Colorado
22. Illinois
23. Texas
24. Purdue
25. Georgia

[mckerney]

Football Frontier Rankings

1. Louisiana State
2. Ohio State
3. South Florida
4. Arizona State
5. California
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Illinois
9. Oregon
10. Auburn
11. Florida
12. Southern California
13. Boston College
14. Cincinnati
15. Oklahoma
16. Indiana
17. Florida State
18. South Carolina
19. Kansas
20. Kentucky
21. Boise State
22. Colorado
23. Connecticut
24. Georgia
25. Purdue

[Butter]

FF toned down the wackiness this week, I see.

[Huckleberry]

LSU
Ohio St.
South Florida
California
South Carolina
Kansas
Missouri
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Boston College
Oregon
Arizona St.
Auburn
Florida
Oklahoma
Southern Cal
Illinois
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Wisconsin
Florida St.
Purdue
Tennessee
Alabama
Connecticut

[timmynausea]

1. LSU
2. California
3. South Florida
4. Ohio State
5. Boston College
6. Oklahoma
7. West Virginia
8. Oregon
9. South Carolina
10. Florida
11. Cincinnati
12. Missouri
13. USC
14. Auburn
15. Illinois
16. Arizona State
17. Kentucky
18. Wisconsin
19. Hawaii
20. Kansas
21. Virginia Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Boise State
24. Connecticut
25. Kansas State

[jbergey22]

1. Ohio St
2. LSU
3. California
4. S Florida
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Boston College
8. Oregon
9. W Virginia
10. Cincinnati
11. Florida
12. Missouri
13. Illinois
14. USC
15. Arizona St
16. Hawaii
17. Auburn
18. Kentucky
19. Wisconsin
20. Virginia Tech
21. Florida St
22. Purdue
23. Colorado
24. Boise St
25. Texas

[Young Drachma]

1. LSU (1)
2. Ohio State (3)
3. California (4)
4. Boston College (5)
5. South Florida (8)
6. Missouri (9)
7. Oregon (10)
8. West Virginia (11)
9. Arizona State (12)
10. USC (2)
11. Cincinnati (13)
12. Virginia Tech (14)
13. Hawaii (16)
14. Oklahoma (17)
15. South Carolina (21)
16. Kentucky (7)
17. Wisconsin (6)
18. Kansas (24)
19. Illinois (NR)
20. Wisconsin (6)
21. Boise State (NR)
22. Wyoming (NR)
23. Texas (19)
24. Colorado (NR)
25. Virginia (NR)

[st.cronin]

1.LSU (2)
2.South Florida (8)
3.Missouri (9)
4.Arizona State (5)
5.Ohio State (3)
6.Boston College (4)
7.Cincinatti (11)
8.South Carolina (15)
9.California (6)
10.Virginia Tech (21)
11.Kansas (14)
12.West Virginia (19)
13.Illinois (18)
14.Connecticut (13)
15.Hawaii (NR)
16.Purdue (12)
17.Kentucky (10)
18.Oregon (16)
19.Indiana (NR)
20.Wisconsin (7)
21.Southern Cal (1)
22.Oklahoma (22)
23.Wyoming (NR)
24.Virginia (NR)
25.Florida State (25)

Dropped out: Nebraska, Michigan State, Florida, Georgia

[Leonidas]

1. LSU
2. Cal
3. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma
5. Oregon
6. Boston College
7. Missouri
8. S. Florida
9. South Carolina
10. Southern Cal
11. Arizona State
12. Kansas
13. Virginia Tech
14. Florida
15. West Virginia
16. Illinois
17. Cincinnati
18. Kentucky
19. Wisconsin
20. Colorado
21. Florida State
22. Tennessee
23. Georgia
24. Purdue
25. Connecticut

[Noop]

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. South Florida
5. Boston College
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Virgina Tech
9. West Virgina
10. Oklahoma
11. Missouri
12. USC
13. Arizona State
14. Florida State
15. Cincinnati
16. Illinois
17. Kentucky
18. Kansas
19. Hawaii
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Purdue
23. Indiana
24. Virgina
25. Texas

[duckman]

Noop, you have USC twice in your poll.

[Noop]

Noop, you have USC twice in your poll.

Corrected. Thanks for the heads up.

[Mr. Snappy]

<table style="width: 520pt; border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="693"><tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); width: 520pt; height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17" width="693">1. Louisiana State (1)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">2. California (3)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">3. Ohio State (4)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">4. Oklahoma (5)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">5. Boston College (8)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">6. South Florida (7)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">7. Oregon (9)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">8. Southern California (2)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">9. South Carolina (16)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">10. Florida (6)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">11. West Virginia (12)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">12. Arizona State (13)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">13. Virginia Tech (NR)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">14. Missouri (21)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">15. Illinois (18)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">16. Cincinnati (20)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">17. Florida State (22)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">18. Kentucky (10)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">19. Wisconsin (11)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">20. Kansas (23)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">21. Auburn (NR)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">22. Indiana (NR)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">23. Texas (19)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">24. Hawaii (24)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">25. Connecticut (NR)</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td class="xl65" style="border: medium none rgb(236, 233, 216); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">Dropped out:
Nebraska (14)
Clemson (15)
Georgia (17)
Purdue (25)
</td></tr></tbody></table>

[General Mike]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. California
4. Boston College
5. USC
6. South Florida
7. South Carolina
8. Oklahoma
9. West Virginia
10. Florida
11. Virginia Tech
12. Oregon
13. Missouri
14. Hawaii
15. Cincinnati
16. Wisconsin
17. Kentucky
18. Illinois
19. Arizona State
20. Penn State
21. Kansas
22. Georgia
23. Texas
24. Maryland
25. Connecticut
Dropping Out: Miami, Rutgers, Clemson. Purdue

[maxwarrior]

1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. South Carolina
4. California
5. Oklahoma
6. Virginia Tech
7. Florida
8. Boston College
9. USC
10. South Florida
11. West Virginia
12. Missouri
13. Hawaii
14. Oregon
15. Cincinnati
16. Michigan
17. Alabama
18. Illinois
19. Wisconsin
20. Kansas
21. Texas
22. Purdue
23. Rutgers
24. Arizona St
25. Auburn

[Blade6119]

CFN Rankings

1. LSU (6-0)
2. Ohio State (6-0)
3. California (5-0)
4. Oklahoma (5-1)
5. Missouri (5-0)
6. South Florida (5-0)
7. Florida (4-2)
8. Arizona State (6-0)
9. Oregon (4-1)
10. USC (4-1)
11. Boston College (6-0)
12. Illinois (5-1)
13. South Carolina (5-1)
14. West Virginia (5-1)
15. Kansas (5-0)
16. Wisconsin (5-1)
17. Cincinnati (6-0)
18. Purdue (5-1)
19. Virginia Tech (5-1)
20. Auburn (4-2)
21. Florida State (4-1)
22. Kentucky (5-1)
23. Kansas State (3-2)
24. Texas (4-2)
25. Michigan (4-2)

[bronconick]

1. Louisiana State (2)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston Collage (5)
5. South Florida (6)
6. Arizona State (9)
7. West Virginia (10)
8. Oregon (11)
9. Oklahoma (12)
10. South Carolina (17)
11. Hawai'i (14)
12. Cincinnati (15)
13. Southern Cal (1)
14. Missouri (23)
15. Kansas (24)
16. Illinois (NR)
17. Virginia Tech (NR)
18. Kentucky (8)
19. Wisconsin (7)
20. Florida State (NR)
21. Florida (13)
22. Connecticut (25)
23. Texas Tech (NR)
24. Virginia (NR)
25. Indiana (NR)

Dropped out: Purdue (16), Texas (18), Michigan State (19), Georgia (20), Clemson (21), Rutgers (22)

[CU Tiger]

1. LSU (1)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston College (5)
5. Oklahoma (10)
6. USC (2)
7. South Carolina (11)
8. Florida (9)
9. South Florida (7)
10. WVU (13)
11. Oregon (17)
12. Hawaii (15)
13. Missouri (18)
14. Texas (14)
15. Kentucky (8)
16. Arkansas (19)
17. VT (NR)
18. Cincinnati (21)
19. Arizona State (23)
20. Illinois (NR)
21. Kansas (NR)
22. Wisconsin (6)
23. Virginia (NR)
24. FSU (24)
25. Nebraska (16)


Dropped Out
Georgia (12)
Clemson (20)
Purdue (22)
Miami, FL (25)

[TazFTW]

1. LSU (1)
2. Ohio State (4)
3. California (3)
4. Boston College (5)
5. South Florida (7)
6. Oklahoma (10)
7. West Virginia (9)
8. Missouri (13)
9. South Carolina (16)
10. Oregon (14)
11. USC (2)
12. Arizona State (17)
13. Virginia Tech (20)
14. Cincinnati (21)
15. Florida (12)
16. Hawaii (18)
17. Kentucky (8)
18. Illinois (NR)
19. Wisconsin (6)
20. Florida State (NR)
21. Kansas (NR)
22. Texas (15)
23. Auburn (NR)
24. Indiana (NR)
25. Georgia (11)

Dropped Out: Nebraska (19), Clemson (22), Purdue (23), UCLA (24), Rutgers (25)

[Eaglesfan27]

1. LSU (2)
2. Cal (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston College (6)
5. South Florida (7)
6. Missouri (9)
7. Arizona State (11)
8. USC (1)
9. Oklahoma (15)
10. Oregon (10)
11. South Carolina (17)
12. Hawaii (14)
13. West Virginia (18)
14. Kansas (19)
15. Virginia Tech (22)
16. Florida (16)
17. Wisconsin (5)
18. Kentucky (8)
19. Cincinatti (12)
20. Purdue (13)
21. Connecticut (21)
22. Texas (24)
23. Auburn (NR)
24. Indiana (NR)
25. Florida State (NR)


Dropped out: Nebraska, Rutgers.

[sooner333]

1. Louisiana State (2)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Oklahoma (6)
5. Oregon (9)
6. Missouri (11)
7. South Florida (10)
8. Boston College (12)
9. West Virginia (13)
10. South Carolina (14)
11. Southern Cal (1)
12. Cincinnati (16)
13. Arizona State (17)
14. Florida (7)
15. Kentucky (5)
16. Kansas (25)
17. Illinois (NR)
18. Wisconsin (8)
19. Hawaii (19)
20. Florida State (23)
21. Virginia Tech (24)
22. Auburn (NR)
23. Texas Tech (NR)
24. Georgia (15)
25. Texas (18)

Dropped Out:
Purdue (20)
Rutgers (21)
Clemson (22)

[Huckleberry]

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

[cmp]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. California
4. Boston College
5. South Carolina
6. South Florida
7. Oregon
8. Missouri
9. Oklahoma
10. West Virginia
11. Arizona State
12. Florida
13. Cincinnati
14. Kentucky
15. Virginia Tech
16. USC
17. Hawaii
18. Kansas
19. Florida State
20. Illinois
21. Georgia
22. Auburn
23. Wisconsin
24. Texas
25. Michigan

[st.cronin]

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

Yep, I also think people are putting Florida too high.

[Dr. Sak]

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

You are one to talk with Kansas in your top 6, and Cincy that high. I don't see how you can call anyone out with votes like those.

[cartman]

In the interests of disclosure, here are the last two lists. I realized as I was compiling the poll that these haven't been posted yet. Look for the poll to be released soon.

Here's SnDvls list that he PM'ed me before he left:

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Missouri
5. Boston College
6. South Florida
7. Oregon
8. USC
9. Oklahoma
10. Arizona State
11. USC
12. West Virginia
13. Cincinnati
14. Hawaii
15. Kansas
16. UConn
17. Virginia Tech
18. Florida State
19. Purdue
20. South Carolina
21. Illinois
22. Kentucky
23. Wisconsin
24. Auburn
25. Florida


And here's mine:
1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. South Florida
6. South Carolina
7. West Virginia
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. Florida
11. Arizona State
12. Missouri
13. Virginia Tech
14. USC
15. Kentucky
16. Cincinnati
17. Hawaii
18. Wisconsin
19. Kansas
20. Texas Tech
21. Texas
22. Florida State
23. Connecticut
24. Georgia
25. Michigan

[st.cronin]

Cartman, SnDvls has USC twice.

[cartman]

Cartman, SnDvls has USC twice.

Yeah, my parser just caught that. I thought one might be South Carolina, but he has them at 20.

As I've done in the past, I'll remove the second listing, and move every other team up one, and #25 will be blank.

[Huckleberry]

You are one to talk with Kansas in your top 6, and Cincy that high. I don't see how you can call anyone out with votes like those.


My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

[Dr. Sak]

My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

I have no problems with the way people vote. We all take different factors into it. I for one use my last week's poll as the starting point and move teams up and down based on wins. Then I look at the teams around them and think in my mind if they could beat the team in front and behind them.

Look at who Kansas has beaten...best team K-State. Cincy's best win is Rutgers. Yea sounds like top 10 material to me.

[sooner333]

it's good to have a poll with people voting on different factors. Mine is somewhat of a hybrid between on-field performance, who I think would win head to head, and then some kind of factor that parses out unimpressive teams, such as Wisconsin, who I don't think is really as good as others.

[Butter]

My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

So, you're saying that Kansas' unbeaten record of whitewashing 4 no-names and squeaking past K-State is more impressive than Missouri's wins over actual teams such as Illinois and Nebraska.

Please defend.

[Huckleberry]

To be honest, the Missouri/Kansas vote was very close. Could have gone either way. Kansas last week won on the road against a somewhat competent opponent. Missouri hasn't done that yet. If they can beat Oklahoma this week this would obviously put them past Kansas. By the way, don't call Nebraska an actual team. Unless by actual you're saying they're not a make-believe team. I can agree with that. But they're not a good football team.

bsak -

You just stated your process as one where you start with early season bias and move from there. That's fine. At least it's an ethos. But your question about Cincinnati is funny. What has Southern Cal done this year? [Mike Gundy]Idaho is garbage. Nebraska is garbage. Washington State is garbage. Washington is not very good. Stanford is garbage - whoops, lost that one.[/Mike Gundy]

sooner333 - Who has Oklahoma beaten this year? Miami isn't very good and Texas isn't very good. Oklahoma lost their only road game against a decent team. That's Top 4 material?

[nole4sho]

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. South Florida
5. Boston College
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Virgina Tech
9. West Virgina
10. Oklahoma
11. Missouri
12. USC
13. Arizona State
14. Florida State
15. Cincinnati
16. Illinois
17. Kentucky
18. Kansas
19. Hawaii
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Purdue
23. Indiana
24. Virgina
25. Texas

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/userimages/user624_1144202936.jpg

Homer Alert!

:D

[Dr. Sak]

bsak -

You just stated your process as one where you start with early season bias and move from there. That's fine. At least it's an ethos. But your question about Cincinnati is funny. What has Southern Cal done this year? [Mike Gundy]Idaho is garbage. Nebraska is garbage. Washington State is garbage. Washington is not very good. Stanford is garbage - whoops, lost that one.[/Mike Gundy]

I actually think Washington is pretty good. I've seem them play a few times and I don't think they are too bad.

Let's look at Cincy...Directional East Missour State, Oregon State (nice and convincing win saw the game), Miami (OH), Marshall, SDSU, Rutgers...

I think USC has a lot of talent. Call it bias or whatever but I beleve they are still one of the top 10-15 teams in the country, same with Florida even with 2 losses. When USC split the title in 2003, they lost a game to a 6 loss Cal team. Good teams slip up. If they are to lose to Cal, Oregon, or to another team they would drop like a rock IMO.

[Eaglesfan27]

it's good to have a poll with people voting on different factors. Mine is somewhat of a hybrid between on-field performance, who I think would win head to head, and then some kind of factor that parses out unimpressive teams, such as Wisconsin, who I don't think is really as good as others.

Same here.

[st.cronin]

I start fresh each week, basically make a list of every team that could possibly be included, and think about how impressive their combination of wins and losses is.

[Butter]

By the way, don't call Nebraska an actual team. Unless by actual you're saying they're not a make-believe team. I can agree with that. But they're not a good football team.

They would beat the crap out of whoever else Kansas has played.

[Huckleberry]

They would beat the crap out of whoever else Kansas has played.

Right now Kansas State is better than Nebraska. Kansas just won at Kansas State.

[CU Tiger]

For me I base my rankings on my feelings of the team not necessarily on their results.

Face it Florida probably hangs 50 on Cincinnatti or Kansas, I dont care that they have 2 losses.

[jbergey22]

Agreed! As would Oklahoma and that is how I vote. I try to favor teams with lesser losses but I mostly try to rank them in order of who would win the game in my opinion. There was no need for Huckleberry to call anyone out on who they voted for. I believe Oklahoma is ranked #6 in the API and until the loss to Colorado were right there with LSU as the most dominant looking team.

[Butter]

Right now Kansas State is better than Nebraska. Kansas just won at Kansas State.

OK. But what of MU's win over Illinois?

[Blade6119]

You wont reason with him on this...K-state beat his beloved Texas team, so he will overrate them and anyone who beats them.

[Butter]

No, he wants to criticize everyone else for their ratings, he needs to justify his own. Kansas at #6 is far more ridiculous than USC or OU in the top 10.

[Huckleberry]

You wont reason with him on this...K-state beat his beloved Texas team, so he will overrate them and anyone who beats them.
Wow, that's funny. I overrate Kansas State so much that they're not in my Top 25. :rolleyes:


No, he wants to criticize everyone else for their ratings, he needs to justify his own. Kansas at #6 is far more ridiculous than USC or OU in the top 10.
I did not criticize everyone for their ratings, I criticized the homer OU and USC votes. Blade made a rather pathetic attempt to accuse me of homerism in return, but that's just entertaining considering that I am one of the minority of voters that don't have Texas in their poll. To be honest, having Texas in the Top 25 right now is perhaps more ridiculous than the OU and USC votes. There is absolutely no justification for having Texas in the Top 25 aside from name recognition and previous years' performances. Those things should have no bearing on a Top 25 for this season.

As for the Missouri/Kansas thing, you stated that Nebraska would pound any of Kansas' opponents so far this year and I pointed out why that was probably not true. Now you've got another question you want me to address. While I recognize that you'll probably come up with a new question for longer than I'll be willing to continue this conversation, I will mention again that Missouri has not won a meaningful road game while Kansas has. Missouri's win over Illinois is certainly, on its face, a better win than any Kansas has had. But that was at a neutral site while Kansas has won on the road.

It seems to me that much of your criticism might be based on the assumption that my poll is like bsak's and so many other voters'. However, I do not simply move teams down based on losses. Just because Team A is behind Team B this week doesn't mean that they will be again next week even if both teams win. In fact, I can guarantee you that if Missouri beats Oklahoma tomorrow they will be ahead of Kansas in next week's poll, even assuming Kansas handles Baylor. They may move multiple spots ahead of Kansas. Kansas may drop after beating Baylor based on the performance of other teams they're currently ahead of. My entire poll may look completely different. As st.cronin does, I reevaluate the entire season each week.

I also attempt to weigh what a team has accomplished and the team's strength relatively evenly. In order to help with that I do use my computer ratings as an input as well as what my eyes tell me. My ratings produce multiple sets (like Sagarin's) that tell me different things. Thinking that I can consider the thousands of games in college football each year in total would be silly. That's what a computer is for. However, the computer only sees final scores, and can't watch the games. The computer says that Southern Cal shouldn't even be in the Top 25. But watching them play I can see that they do belong in the rankings and that they're unlikely to play as poorly overall and especially at the QB position as they did against Stanford. So the computer is just one of many inputs.

As for the different ratings types, Kansas has a high predictive value but not nearly as high a results value. Oklahoma is the same but at a lower level. Meanwhile, Missouri has a high results value for what they've accomplished but not nearly as high a predictive value. All of these things will become more clear as the season progresses. Teams will play only their seventh game this week and because of that rankings should be anything but static this early in the year. And I am not going to use previous seasons' results in a 2007 Top 25 poll. I am only going go off what the teams have done this year despite what I may think I know about them based on last year or previous years. Using that information only biases a poll for this year and results in things like Texas being in the rankings.

[sooner333]

Two weeks ago Oklahoma lost to Colorado and it should have knocked them down farther in the rankings, however many other teams similarly ranked had a similar or worse loss. So, I kept Oklahoma in my top-ten. Last week, they beat a rival at a netural site and played a pretty good game...other teams around them lost.

The real beef, I guess, with Oklahoma being as high as fourth, is that teams like Boston College, South Florida, and Missouri, and to a leser extent Kansas, are behind Oklahoma.

Boston College is one of those teams I am less than impressed with. Their best win is at Georgia Tech, which is less impressive than OU's win over Texas. The thing that sticks out to me is the Umass win by only ten points. Plus, I devalue teams that win games because of getting a huge margin of turnovers (+6 vs. NC St. and +5 vs. Bowling Green). By the end of the year we will find out if that is for real or a fluke. South Florida is another one of those teams and I came away from the WV win less impressed with both teams than I was before the game...and who knows if Pat White stays in.

Missouri could have a case of being better than Oklahoma. We will find out where they stand tomorrow night. I think Oklahoma is the more talented team and there was no need to jump Mizzou higher than I did. Nebraska is a solid win, but nothing spectacular at home...remember, Nebraska has had trouble with Ball State this season. The Huskers could quite possibly lose to Oklahoma State tomorrow.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I will mention again that Missouri has not won a meaningful road game while Kansas has. Missouri's win over Illinois is certainly, on its face, a better win than any Kansas has had. But that was at a neutral site while Kansas has won on the road.

Then someone better tell Florida that Old Miss isn't a meaningful road game. Florida struggled to win at Old Miss (won by 6), while Mizzou was up big by halftime and coasted to a win in Oxford, MS. I guess wins against BCS conference opponents on the road no longer count as meaningful wins.

[st.cronin]

I don't know how people can look at today's college landscape and think that a 2 loss team could be ranked ahead of a 0 loss team. There are no easy wins in D1 football, for any team. USC struggled against Idaho, LSU struggled against Tulane. That Kansas absolutely pasted all 4 of their "cupcakes" is actually quite impressive. Boston College beating UMass by 10 should count as a positive - they won the damn game, didn't they?

[Huckleberry]

Then someone better tell Florida that Old Miss isn't a meaningful road game. Florida struggled to win at Old Miss (won by 6), while Mizzou was up big by halftime and coasted to a win in Oxford, MS. I guess wins against BCS conference opponents on the road no longer count as meaningful wins.

Ole Miss? Seriously?

Look, I'm a part-time Missouri fan. Generally speaking I like the people and pull for the program in all sports in the North. But you obviously aren't experienced at this good football team thing. Ole Miss sucks. You can't call that a good road win. Just because Florida had a bad game there doesn't mean much. Ole Miss is 2-4. They barely beat Memphis. They lost to Vanderbilt. Their only home win was against Louisiana Tech. Not impressive.

[sooner333]

Boston College beating UMass by 10 should count as a positive - they won the damn game, didn't they?

It's positive in the sense that they are still in the top 10...if they had lost they probably wouldn't be in the top 25. It's not positive in the sense that it doesn't give me very much confidence that they can beat OU or Oregon. Plus, it shows that they probably deserve to be closer to the bottom of the teams that have no losses. They have games to prove themselves later on, however I'll wait until they play and win those games to change my opinion of the Golden Eagles, which is clouded by a close win to a I-AA team and due to large turnover margins that helped pad the scores in wins over some not-so-quality opponents.

[st.cronin]

It's positive in the sense that they are still in the top 10...if they had lost they probably wouldn't be in the top 25. It's not positive in the sense that it doesn't give me very much confidence that they can beat OU or Oregon. Plus, it shows that they probably deserve to be closer to the bottom of the teams that have no losses. They have games to prove themselves later on, however I'll wait until they play and win those games to change my opinion of the Golden Eagles, which is clouded by a close win to a I-AA team and due to large turnover margins that helped pad the scores in wins over some not-so-quality opponents.

I don't believe there are any undefeated teams that have won all their games impressively. And if you don't want to give credit for turnovers, you practically have to give LSU a loss against MSU...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ole Miss? Seriously?

Look, I'm a part-time Missouri fan. Generally speaking I like the people and pull for the program in all sports in the North. But you obviously aren't experienced at this good football team thing. Ole Miss sucks. You can't call that a good road win. Just because Florida had a bad game there doesn't mean much. Ole Miss is 2-4. They barely beat Memphis. They lost to Vanderbilt. Their only home win was against Louisiana Tech. Not impressive.

They certainly aren't any worse than the 4 cupcakes that KU beat at home. Just because KU beat one team on the road that was barely ranked in the top 25 doesn't make them a top 10 team, regardless of where MU lies.

[VPI97]

It's positive in the sense that they are still in the top 10...if they had lost they probably wouldn't be in the top 25. It's not positive in the sense that it doesn't give me very much confidence that they can beat OU or Oregon.
So Oklahoma losing to Colorado gives you confidence that they could beat Boston College? I mean, if you put so much stock into BC beating UMass by only 10, shouldn't you be putting equal stock into the fact that Oklahoma lost to an unranked team?

Seriously...I can play that game and say that Oklahoma losing to Colorado shouldn't give anyone any confidence that OU would finish in the top half of the ACC. Much less any indication that they're better than Boston College.

[Swaggs]

The biggest problem I have with human rankings and polls is that their terms are pretty much undefined. Are you picking the most talented team, the team you think could beat team X, the team that has the best record, the team that has lost but has "good wins," etc?

USC and Oklahoma are clearly two of the most talented teams, have some pretty good wins, and I think they could beat just about anyone, but, in my opinion they are not having good seasons because they have each lost to teams that have horrible records over their past 15-20 games. That should factor into rankings, and it does for some voters, but I think many of them really do not consider on-field success/failure as much as they should.

[Huckleberry]

They certainly aren't any worse than the 4 cupcakes that KU beat at home. Just because KU beat one team on the road that was barely ranked in the top 25 doesn't make them a top 10 team, regardless of where MU lies.

Who said they were worse? You guys keep bringing up pointless arguments. Now you are saying that Missouri has a road win better than Kansas' home wins over bad teams. So what? Go take care of business against OU and it will all take care of itself. You haven't had the opportunity to prove yourselves on the road against a good team yet, so why are you complaining about not having that as a benefit? This isn't the final poll. Your chance is coming.

[Huckleberry]

USC and Oklahoma are clearly two of the most talented teams, have some pretty good wins, and I think they could beat just about anyone, but, in my opinion they are not having good seasons because they have each lost to teams that have horrible records over their past 15-20 games.

What good wins? Meaning wins better than, for example, Kansas' win at Kansas State? ;)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Who said they were worse? You guys keep bringing up pointless arguments. Now you are saying that Missouri has a road win better than Kansas' home wins over bad teams. So what? Go take care of business against OU and it will all take care of itself. You haven't had the opportunity to prove yourselves on the road against a good team yet, so why are you complaining about not having that as a benefit? This isn't the final poll. Your chance is coming.

Oh, I agree with your final comment. MU will likely be in the top 15 at the end of the year with 1 or 2 league losses and KU will be unranked and below .500 in the league as they have been every year under Mangino.

[sooner333]

Comparing Colorado on the road to UMass at home is laughable. Granted, Boston College won the game, but let's compare apples to apples. I don't care if UMass is #4 in I-AA, it was 10 points away from being Michigan-App. State again.

I look at turnovers to see if a score is misleading. LSU's win over MSU was impressive, but somewhat misleading too since, by watching the game, I saw that their offensive line had issues...issues that came up again in the part of the Tulane game I saw. Unfortunately I can't see every game, but I can see that getting a huge advantage in turnovers can make a score misleading. I'm not saying getting turnovers is all luck, but getting 4 or 5 more than the other team is. Notre Dame isn't better than UCLA, but they got 7 turnovers more than they gave up and won the game...they probably lose 9 out of 10 times.

The only reason I have Cal at #2 is because they have an impressive win at Oregon, one more impressive win than Ohio State, Boston College, or any of the other undefeated teams.

[VPI97]

Comparing Colorado on the road to UMass at home is laughable.
FSU didn't have a problem with Colorado on the road...and FSU won't come within two touchdowns of BC. The fact that you are seeminlgy ignoring the fact that a loss is worse than any win is laughable.

[sooner333]

FSU didn't have a problem with Colorado on the road...and FSU won't come within two touchdowns of BC. The fact that you are seeminlgy ignoring the fact that a loss is worse than any win is laughable.

Losing is worse than winning always. That doesn't mean that a team who wins all of their games is better than a team that loses one or more. And, I wouldn't be shocked if Florida State kept it close.

[Dr. Sak]

The only reason I have Cal at #2 is because they have an impressive win at Oregon, one more impressive win than Ohio State, Boston College, or any of the other undefeated teams.

That pretty much sums it up for me too. Ohio State's best win is against Purdue and they are a suspect team in my mind. This year more than any other (in my mind) there is just so much uncertainty with most of the teams. One week a team looks great and then the next they lose to a team that had no business being on the field with them. I even have Oregon pretty high because they gave Cal one heck of a game.

I would be lying if I said I didn't take past performances into account when ranking teams. A few examples I can give is how Michigan State seems to hit the skids after a tough loss or Purdue always starts out good (because they play a weak OOC schedule) and falter when they play tougher opponents. So in my mind I am willing to drop them more after a loss because of their past track record.

I enjoy debating these topics and even moreso learning how other people look at and decide where to put teams in their weekly polls. My way is far from perfect so I always look to get input from others.

[VPI97]

Losing is worse than winning always. That doesn't mean that a team who wins all of their games is better than a team that loses one or more. And, I wouldn't be shocked if Florida State kept it close.
...and beating a I-AA opponent by 10 doesn't mean you're worse than a team who lost to an unranked opponent, yet that's been the gist of your argument. (side note: the fact that you have OU over USF is hilarious, as well...apparently being undefeated and having a top 10 win on your resume is worse than losing to an unranked opponent, too)

If your going to rank teams, at least make your overwhelming bias towards Oklahoma less obvious.

[st.cronin]

Kansas' best win is better than Oklahoma's best win. Kansas has no losses. Oklahoma has one loss. Oklahoma may finish with a better record than Kansas, but at this point Kansas is unquestionably having the better year.

[sooner333]

...and beating a I-AA opponent by 10 doesn't mean you're worse than a team who lost to an unranked opponent, yet that's been the gist of your argument. (side note: the fact that you have OU over USF is hilarious, as well...apparently being undefeated and having a top 10 win on your resume is worse than losing to an unranked opponent, too)

If your going to rank teams, at least make your overwhelming bias towards Oklahoma less obvious.

There are plenty of voters in the national polls that have OU over South Florida. I actually watched most of the WVU-USF game and came out with the idea that both teams were overrated.

I've pretty much just said that I think OU beats Boston College head to head. You apparently have no issue with one-loss Oregon being up there even though they don't have a win over a top-25 team either. I just think they beat Boston College, South Florida and everyone else.

Again, my poll is not only based on who is having the best season, but who has the best team. I am biased in the sense that I follow OU football and watch every minute of every game and I am an OU fan. But, you look at OU's talent level and it is just better than most teams out there.

USC lost to Stanford, that doesn't mean they wouldn't beat many teams out there...each individual game is only part of the big picture. I'm not basing BC's rating solely on UMass game, it's just part of the picture. BC goes undefeated, they will likely surpass OU because they will have passed harder tests...I don't think it happens though.

[st.cronin]

dola, you can do the same with Florida. Their best win is home against Tennessee; it was an ass-kicking, so maybe you can argue its as good a win as Kansas' road win, or a little bit better. But you have to disregard TWO losses to put Florida above Kansas. To me, that's lunacy.

[Huckleberry]

Again, my poll is not only based on who is having the best season, but who has the best team. I am biased in the sense that I follow OU football and watch every minute of every game and I am an OU fan. But, you look at OU's talent level and it is just better than most teams out there.

So if your poll is based on your perception of teams' talent levels, why do teams ever move in your poll? OU's talent level won't change this year regardless of whether they go undefeated for the remainder of their schedule or lose three more games. Actual game outcomes cease to have meaning with your approach.

[sooner333]

So if your poll is based on your perception of teams' talent levels, why do teams ever move in your poll? OU's talent level won't change this year regardless of whether they go undefeated for the remainder of their schedule or lose three more games. Actual game outcomes cease to have meaning with your approach.

It's partly based on talent levels and who would win each game. Obviously games show shortcomings and strengths that aren't already known. Perception of teams changes after each game. We have different methods of voting, you use a more scientific approach and I use an approach more based on my feel of where teams are. Both are solid and combine to make a "better" poll than either one because it combines different methods and helps drown out biases.

I don't have a problem with people who put OU lower than I do, or any other team for that matter. But, when asked I will try to defend where I stand. My answer isn't really satisfactory to some, but that's okay, and I'll stand by my method and rankings.