Free Basketball MMORPG, let's join!

[Icy]

Hi guys, this is probably old but i discovered it today.

Cyberdunk is a free multiplayer RPG game where you play as a basketball player. First you must create your player, then you are drafted by a team worldwide and then you sign your rookie contract. Once in the team, you can train yourself, buy equipment to boost your attributes, set your strategies for the next game (intensity, if you want to shoot more from outside, inside etc).

There is a game played every day but you don't need to be present, you just login once per day to setup your training and strategies, and not even joining every day is needed if you are not making any change.

The fun thing is that the teams can be also ran by humans, they will buy you, sell you, tell you how you must train to be a starter etc. So it's like two games in one, as a player and/or as a team GM. To be a team GM I think that you need to pay some money or to have enough reward points, but i'm not totally sure about how does that work as i just created a free player.

If you are good, you can even play for your national team, if the human who runs it, decides to call you.

I created a power forward with good inside shooting, rebounds and blocking. I started to train rebounds and blocking and bought shoes and other stuff to raise my inside shooting and blocking. I have been drafted by a team in Italy's second division (you set in a numerical value the leagues that you would like to be drafted in, i had first Spain, second USA, third Italy and that way up to 50 countries or so, and an Italian team drafted me).

Tonight is my first game and i have already set my strategies (it all took 10 minutes).

I just also saw that you could write your player blog into the game, and for writing you are warded some kind of cybermoney that you can use to buy stuff for your player, no totally sure about how does this work.

Apart from the games and training, you can also play in 1vs 1 games vs other people, to earn cyber money, you can also bet your player cybermoney on other games too, all that to earn more cybermoney to buy stuff for your players, hire a better trainer, etc.

It could be really fun if some of us create players and in the future, if one of us creates a team and buys/signs all the players created by other FOFC guys. As we will obey our FOFC GM orders and can setup team strategies, we can become a powerful team.

Not sure how fun is this game, but it's free, takes 10 minutes per day to play and i have read good things about it in a Spanish basketball forum.

If you sign under my ref code, i'm awarded points that i think i can use to become a GM in the future, to improve my player and to create more players (by default you can only create one free player).

Anyway it's your choice, to sign under my ref code (that doesn't affect you on any way):

http://www.cyberdunk.com/?ref=234421

Or to use a ref code free link to signup:

http://www.cyberdunk.com (http://www.cyberdunk.com/?ref=234421)

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting. may check it out

[Coffee Warlord]

Good lord they have a horrid interface.

[Schmidty]

Good lord they have a horrid interface.

That shouldn't phase people who have played FOF, which is most of us.

[JAG]

SF John Snow created, and currently doing nothing though I hope to get him set up soon.

[Lathum]

I may check this out this weekend. Can we create an FOFc league/ team ?

[mckerney]

Steve Remington is on the Edmonton Trailblazers in Canada's Division 3

[Coffee Warlord]

SF Rob Nielsen plays for the Mississauga Greeks in Canada's D2.

[Icy]

I may check this out this weekend. Can we create an FOFc league/ team ?

At first we can only create players. In the future maybe one of us can create a team and sign all the FOFC players to play in his team.

[Icy]

Rofl, i see two of you have chosen the Afghan nationality, coffee, i think you are one of them.

[JeeberD]

PF Jeeber D Mack (from Barbados) is a member of the Ottowa Nordics of the Canadian Division 4 league...

[chesapeake]

PG Duke Blue created and exiled to India's div 6.

[dj_morton]

Looks good...

you can use my ref code if you want :)

www.cyberdunk.com?ref=235177 (http://www.cyberdunk.com/?ref=235177)

[Coffee Warlord]

Or mine!

www.cyberdunk.com?ref=234507

[Coffee Warlord]

Rofl, i see two of you have chosen the Afghan nationality, coffee, i think you are one of them.

Afghan? No I didn't.

[mckerney]

Steve Remington is on the Edmonton Trailblazers in Canada's Division 3

Forgot to add, Steve Remington is a 7'3" 271 lbs. center.

[Coffee Warlord]

Forgot to add, Steve Remington is a 7'3" 271 lbs. center.

Fatty.

[Travis]

PG Jace Hunter is playing for the Brampton Greeks (CAN, Div4)

[Coffee Warlord]

The FOFC Fab 5 is comin' back baby.

[hawk4669]

SG Hawk McGawk playing for Rujiena Ducks in the Latvian Fourth Division.

:D

Cheers!

[Travis]

So stupid question, but where do you go to set your tactics? Found the training/equipment and all that, but with the game going in an hour, just trying to figure out where to set the individual tactics before the game sims.

[Passacaglia]

SG Rupert Holmes is in Division 4 of Poland.

[SirFozzie]

Ouch. Inside Hoops No Likee Cyberdunk

http://www.insidehoops.com/cyberdunk.shtml

CyberDunk






InsideHoops.com NewsWire | July23, 2007

CyberDunk is a spam community of users who sit alone on their computers hour after hour each day wasting their time pretending to create something to fill the pathetic void in their lives.

Cyber Dunk is some sort of role playing game with users who seem obsessed with spamming the website. The site lacks any sort of "contact us" email address, presumably because they know that the rest of the internet hates cyberdunk, specifically because of the spam their users produce.

If the cyberdunk game was anything special, they wouldn't need to spam. The word would spread. Yet, each day their members, or at least the ones with no lives and presumably no friends, sit at their computers, day and night, spamming cyber dunk out to the world in the hope they get refernence number credit.

Advertisers, we urge you to steer clear of the cyberdunk website. You do not want your good name associated with people who are on the same level as people who send viagra and medical product email spam, and that's cyberdunk.

THe game appears to suck. Go play basketball in real life, watch it on televison, read about it, and play fantasy games. YOu don't need cyberdunk.

[path12]

SG Rupert Holmes is in Division 4 of Poland.

I don't think he'll like the Pina Colada's there.

[Icy]

Ouch. Inside Hoops No Likee Cyberdunk

http://www.insidehoops.com/cyberdunk.shtml

CyberDunk






InsideHoops.com NewsWire | July23, 2007

CyberDunk is a spam community of users who sit alone on their computers hour after hour each day wasting their time pretending to create something to fill the pathetic void in their lives.

Cyber Dunk is some sort of role playing game with users who seem obsessed with spamming the website. The site lacks any sort of "contact us" email address, presumably because they know that the rest of the internet hates cyberdunk, specifically because of the spam their users produce.

If the cyberdunk game was anything special, they wouldn't need to spam. The word would spread. Yet, each day their members, or at least the ones with no lives and presumably no friends, sit at their computers, day and night, spamming cyber dunk out to the world in the hope they get refernence number credit.

Advertisers, we urge you to steer clear of the cyberdunk website. You do not want your good name associated with people who are on the same level as people who send viagra and medical product email spam, and that's cyberdunk.

THe game appears to suck. Go play basketball in real life, watch it on televison, read about it, and play fantasy games. YOu don't need cyberdunk.

Umm don't know what to think, in fact I feel now that I "spammed" it to this board with my thread... but ... what is wrong with telling more people about a game they could enjoy? Also when they say the "The word would spread it if the game was good" Well... what is the difference betwen spreading it and spamming it?

I'm not sure i underestand well that does that insidehoops article mean.

[Icy]

My team just played today's game and the good news is that we won, the bad news is that i did not play :(

I'm the backup PF and i guess the team owner won't play me until i improve my player a bit more.

[Icy]

So stupid question, but where do you go to set your tactics? Found the training/equipment and all that, but with the game going in an hour, just trying to figure out where to set the individual tactics before the game sims.

There is a link named "tactics", just between "hall of fame" and "1on1".

[Travis]

egads, scroll to the right, what a novel idea, d'oh.

Thanks for the tip, just a matter of my browser window size (re: hiding it from the boss) that got me on that one.

8 points, 4 assists, 1 turnover in just over 24 minutes of action in game one, not a bad start, but definitely gotta try and get the endurance up.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Umm don't know what to think, in fact I feel now that I "spammed" it to this board with my thread... but ... what is wrong with telling more people about a game they could enjoy? Also when they say the "The word would spread it if the game was good" Well... what is the difference betwen spreading it and spamming it? I'm not sure i underestand well that does that insidehoops article mean.

From reading some of the notes on the game's own website (I haven't signed up yet but may) it appears they had some pretty serious spamming problems with people probably just mass emailing/forum posting, presumably to try to boost their referrals.

It's really not uncommon with MMORPG's as far as I can tell & I think insidehoops may have overdone the hyperbole a little with worrying about people being associated with the game.

And what you posted here isn't anything like spam AFAIC - we know you & it's in the niche that some people here like. It's not as though you dropped into some random forum somewhere and made your referral link your first & only post there.

[Icy]

egads, scroll to the right, what a novel idea, d'oh.

Thanks for the tip, just a matter of my browser window size (re: hiding it from the boss) that got me on that one.

8 points, 4 assists, 1 turnover in just over 24 minutes of action in game one, not a bad start, but definitely gotta try and get the endurance up.

Not bad at all, as i said, my team did not play me, not even a single garbage minute :(

[Coffee Warlord]

8 points, 4 assists, 1 board, 1 steal, 1 turnover.

...unexpectedly played all 48 minutes. There's a better SF on our team, too.

[Travis]

8 points, 4 assists, 1 board, 1 steal, 1 turnover.

...unexpectedly played all 48 minutes. There's a better SF on our team, too.

How many minutes did he play? I noticed on the team I'm on that one of our SF had 48 minutes, another had 24 minutes, assuming he split at either PG or SG based on other minutes played on the team.

[Blade]

Well, just signed up with an SG playing Div 2 in Canada...

[Icy]

Btw, once i have 1000 cyberpoints, i can own a team. I have 500 already for referring you guys. I'm going to save them all to own a team as soon as i reach those 1000, then I'll start to sign all you to the team. Then we can run the team strategies/lineups by committee :)

Once i have it, i'll create a thread in the dynasty forums.

<center>
You currently have 510 CDP</center><center>You can purchase a team for 1,000 CDP</center><table class="cell_white_hover"><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" class="cell_blue">What Do I Get ?</td></tr> <tr><td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifSet Your Own Lineups</td> <td class="cell_grey">http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifBuy The Best Players In The League</td> <td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifImprove Club Structures</td></tr> <tr><td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifEstablish A Dinasty With Your Friends, Choose whom and how he plays !</td> <td class="cell_grey">http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifChange Ticketprices\Stadium Name</td> <td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifIn-Depth Accounting Information</td></tr> <tr><td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifYour Very Own Trophy Case</td> <td class="cell_grey">http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifStatistics\Leaders </td> <td>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/bullete.gifand so much more enjoyiment!</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Icy]

Dola, this is my player:

Ivan Carrillo
Height: 2.05 m (6 feet 7 in)
weight: 105 kg (231 lbs)
Cash: 104 $
Birthday: 3-33
Position: Power Forward (PF)
Country: Spain http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/spain.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Spain)
Team: Serravalle Sinners (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=team&id=3946)
League: Italy League 2 (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=competition&l=1&id=175)


<table style="width: 383px; height: 192px;" class="tdhover2" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Floor Shooting:</td><td>17</td> </tr> <tr><td>Inside Shooting:</td><td>22 (+2)</td> </tr> <tr><td>3PT Shooting:</td><td>19</td> </tr> <tr><td>Dribbling:</td><td>15</td> </tr> <tr><td>Passing:</td><td>14 </td></tr> <tr><td>Stealing:</td><td>15</td> </tr> <tr><td>Rebounding:</td><td>20 </td> </tr> <tr><td>Blocking:</td><td>22 (+2) </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table style="width: 397px; height: 192px;" class="tdhover2" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Strength:</td><td>20</td> </tr> <tr><td>Speed:</td><td>15 </td> </tr> <tr><td>Jumping:</td><td>15</td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="2"><center>-----------------</center></td> </tr> <tr><td>Confidence:</td><td>15</td> </tr> <tr><td>Stamina:</td><td>16</td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="2">
</td> </tr> <tr><td>Energy:</td><td>100%</td></tr></tbody></table>
And my team roster, i see i'm the worst player and that is why i didn't play:

<table style="width: 376px; height: 390px;" class="cell_white_hover" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" class="cell_dblue">Lineup</td></tr><tr><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;" colspan="3">Centers</td><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;"><center>value</center></td></tr><tr class="cell_grey"><td style="width: 15px;">C</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/latvia.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Latvia)</center></td><td>Aldis Amolins (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=130356)</td><td><center>22.1 </center></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 15px;">C</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/italy.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Italy)</center></td><td>Fat So (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=290518)</td><td><center>18.2 </center></td></tr><tr><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;" colspan="3">Power Forwards</td><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;"><center>value</center></td></tr><tr class="cell_grey"><td style="width: 15px;">PF</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/san%20marino.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=San%20Marino)</center></td><td>Al Kelly (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=166861)</td><td><center>20.4 </center></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 15px;">PF</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/spain.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Spain)</center></td><td>Ivan Carrillo (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=340295)</td><td><center>17 </center></td></tr><tr><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;" colspan="3">Point Guards</td><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;"><center>value</center></td></tr><tr class="cell_grey"><td style="width: 15px;">PG</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/australia.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Australia)</center></td><td>Jonathon Peters (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=163141)</td><td><center>21.2 </center></td></tr><tr><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;" colspan="3">Small Forwards</td><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;"><center>value</center></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 15px;">SF</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/bangladesh.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Bangladesh)</center></td><td>Magudy Bryant (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=128099)</td><td><center>21.9 </center></td></tr><tr class="cell_grey"><td style="width: 15px;">SF</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/spain.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Spain)</center></td><td>Inigo Traginer Fortuny (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=219731)</td><td><center>18 </center></td></tr><tr><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;" colspan="3">Shooting Guards</td><td class="cell_blue" style="font-size: 9px;"><center>value</center></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 15px;">SG</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/estonia.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Estonia)</center></td><td>Petz Rampz (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=22269)</td><td><center>20.1 </center></td></tr><tr class="cell_grey"><td style="width: 15px;">SG</td><td style="width: 15px;" class="cell_blue"><center>http://www.cyberdunk.com/images/flags/estonia.gif (http://www.cyberdunk.com/more.php?m=country&id=Estonia)</center></td><td>Raimo Rahuorg (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=player&id=25117)</td><td><center>17.5 </center></td></tr></tbody></table>

[rjolley]

Player's name is Sam Jolley. I'm in Canada's Div 4 on the Halifax White Sharks as a 6'8 PF.

[thealmighty]

Al Mighty playing in USA Golden with San Francisco. I'm the 2nd PG but not by much.

We are in last place and lost 161-30 or something like that. :(

[CU Tiger]

Shaq Wannabeme
On Kendal a
In St Kitts and Nevis

[JonInMiddleGA]

Rock Acewell, a 6'6" 220 lb SG from Brazil was drafted today by the USA Tin League leading Phoenix Firebirds.

Unfortunately for Rock, he's been drafted by a team that often plays its starters for 48 minutes, including the backcourt stars that are currently 1st & 4th in the league in scoring. He seems likely to get the opportunity to catch up on a lot of his reading in the weeks to come.

[sabotai]

Halus Verenus, 6'4" Point Guard playing in the Bahrain League 2 for a team called ʿĀlī Snakes, one of the worst teams in the league. Maybe that's a good thing. I might get a good amount of playing time.

EDIT: As it turns out, I'm the only point guard on the team. So unless someone else joins the team before the next game, I should get a good amount of playing time.

[JeeberD]

Played 19 minutes, all in the second half, and scored ten points, grabbed four boards, and had a block and an assist. Not too shabby for my first game...

[hawk4669]

SG Hawk McGawk played nearly 26 minutes in his debut in Latvia. Only scored two points, but had two steals and two blocks, as well as one assist. He also got two defensive boards.

Wonder if I'll...er...he'll keep up the decent defensive work?

Cheers!

[thealmighty]

WTF??

I went to check on myself and my team now has just 5 players on the roster- and I'm not one of them.

Anyone else have that happen?

[Travis]

Just checked/updated training/bought some shoes and everything seems to be working "normally" for my guy.

[Icy]

WTF??

I went to check on myself and my team now has just 5 players on the roster- and I'm not one of them.

Anyone else have that happen?

Weird, i see your team has 3 from the 5 players for sale, so maybe you were sold/cut? what is listed right now as your team?

[Icy]

Dola, this is your team forum, take a look and maybe you can ask if you were sold or what:

http://www.talkdep.com/forumdisplay.php?f=189

[Icy]

Triple dola, i know now why i did't play, the starting PF i the teamis... the team owner character, so i guess he won't give me a lot of playing time avobe him... I'm going to message him, and if he is not going to give me any playing time, i'll try to be transfered to another team.

[JAG]

If you buy equipment, can you later sell it and if so, is the sales price discounted from what you purchased it at?

I played 30 minutes in my opening game, got 4 points on 2 of 4 shooting, 5 rebounds, 6 assists.

[daedalus]

joshua wolfe is now a small forward for the central andros in the bahamas.

there are worse places to be. :D

[daedalus]

and we're the 24th place team in a 24 team league in the 6th division of a 6 division country.

nice.

[Izulde]

PG Tim Moungey playing for the Kanazawa Timberwolves in Japan's Honor League Four, Fourth Division in Japan.

We're #23 of 24 teams and there's two PGs on the roster, including me.

The team's CPU controlled and the PG and I both have the same value, so I'm hoping we'll split the PT.

[Raiders Army]

Richard Weed is in the Hillbillies in Australia.

[Ryno]

Droppen Dymes is a 6'2" PG from Norway playing on the top ranked team in the 7th division out of 7 in Norway. There's another PG on my team with the same rating, so it will be interesting to see how much playing time I get in the first game.

[Coffee Warlord]

How many minutes did he play? I noticed on the team I'm on that one of our SF had 48 minutes, another had 24 minutes, assuming he split at either PG or SG based on other minutes played on the team.

He played 30 some minutes, so yeah, we musta been at different positions.

[JonInMiddleGA]

WTF??

I went to check on myself and my team now has just 5 players on the roster- and I'm not one of them.

Anyone else have that happen?

I just logged in and saw this note
"Team: NO TEAM YET, PLEASE DRAFT YOURSELF BY CLICKING HERE."

Check your player's homepage under "New Today" and see if you have something like this:
"You have been released by the Phoenix Firehawks and paid the clause of the contract" (which, of course, was $0)

edit to add: So I get myself re-drafted, picking a few countries with the fewest active players as my top priorities. I end up with my third choice (Norway & Sweden were first), so I'm playing in Bahrain for a team in League 2.

Interesting roster - computer managed, 1 Center, 4 PF's, 0 SF's, 0 PG's, and 3 SG's (my position).
And three of those eight players are NPC's. I'm slotted as the backup SG but hope to get some minutes at the point since dribbling & passing at two of my highest rated skills.

[rjolley]

If you buy equipment, can you later sell it and if so, is the sales price discounted from what you purchased it at?
By the looks of it, yes, and yes.

[MrBug708]

How do you check to see if your team is selling players?

I was picked up by a team that has 4 PG's and only a combined 4 forwards/centers. (This includes SF in that total)

[CU Tiger]

Well in his First Game
C Shaq Wannabeme had 6 points on 2 of 9 shooting.
0/3 in 3s (WTF they are set to 0)
2/4 of FT (see there Oneal)
1 Steal
and lead all players with 7 assists
and committed 4 fouls

[Passacaglia]

Looks like I got cut, too.

[hawk4669]

Had my second game in the Latvian league today.

SG McGawk clocks in with 20 minutes played, 13 points (with three three point buckets), 5 assists, 1 steal, and 1 defensive board. Career is starting solid here. We'll see how it goes.

Cheers!

[k0ruptr]

LoL

6'3 PG Caylan Nicoll created and plays for the Murska Sobota Black Panthers in slovenia. haha

[JeeberD]

Didn't get any PT at all today... :\

[heybrad]

Signed up as PF Val Cano, playing for Novi Shinobis. I'm in Division 6 in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[wade moore]

I just logged in and saw this note
"Team: NO TEAM YET, PLEASE DRAFT YOURSELF BY CLICKING HERE."

Check your player's homepage under "New Today" and see if you have something like this:
"You have been released by the Phoenix Firehawks and paid the clause of the contract" (which, of course, was $0)

edit to add: So I get myself re-drafted, picking a few countries with the fewest active players as my top priorities. I end up with my third choice (Norway & Sweden were first), so I'm playing in Bahrain for a team in League 2.

Interesting roster - computer managed, 1 Center, 4 PF's, 0 SF's, 0 PG's, and 3 SG's (my position).
And three of those eight players are NPC's. I'm slotted as the backup SG but hope to get some minutes at the point since dribbling & passing at two of my highest rated skills.

Well, I guess we'll be seeing each other - I am in Bahrain League 2 as a PG on a team with 2 C's, 1 PF, 4 PG's, 1 SF, and 2 SG's... There is one clearly better PG and then 3 of us that are very similar.

Played around with some training, equipment, joined a 1-on-1 tournament..

3 daysish for my first game, that kind of stinks.

[rjolley]

Didn't get any PT at all today... :\
My squad played yours.

Got my first PT today. 23 min, 4 pts (2-7, 0-2 3pts, 0-2 ft), 1 block, 4 assists, 4 rebounds form the PF spot.

Nice assists from the post.

[daedalus]

and we're the 24th place team in a 24 team league in the 6th division of a 6 division country.

nice.so . . . the end result of being on the worst team in the worst division of a small country is that the team is crappy. but you get playing time.

first game: 30 points on 6/15 from the floor and 5/10 from 3s, 8 boards, all defensive, 3 assists in 43:50 minutes.

disappointed in the shooting from mid-range but happy to get PT. :D

[wade moore]

so . . . the end result of being on the worst team in the worst division of a small country is that the team is crappy. but you get playing time.

first game: 30 points on 6/15 from the floor and 5/10 from 3s, 8 boards, all defensive, 3 assists in 43:50 minutes.

disappointed in the shooting from mid-range but happy to get PT. :DYeah, at this stage I think I'd prefer to be in that situation.. I don't know this game at all yet, but I would have to assume you'll improve more getting PT on a bad team than riding the pine on a good team.

I'm on the 23rd place team in the 2nd division of a poor league, but i'm worried about how many PG's we have. I'm hoping that with a couple of days before a game I can build up my ratings enough to get some PT.

[chinaski]

Hank Chinaski, stuck on some CPU controlled team in Denmark and not getting minutes.
hxxp://www.cyberdunk.com/player.php?id=341485&n=Hank%20Chinaski

[wade moore]

Anyone know how you track the 1-on-1 tournaments? When they're played? etc?

[daedalus]

i can't seem to get into the stupid tournament. it says i'm on my free day in the 1-on-1 page but when i try to sign in, it says i'm busy. meh.

[wade moore]

i can't seem to get into the stupid tournament. it says i'm on my free day in the 1-on-1 page but when i try to sign in, it says i'm busy. meh.

It let me sign-up, I just don't know how I know what happens.. I guess I have to wait until Midnight CST, but when that happens what do i do?

[sabotai]

I'll be seeing wade moore and JiMGA at some point since I'm in Bahrain League 2 as well.

The Ali Snakes lost to the al-Muharraq Slugs 90-104 in my debut. PG Halus Verenus had 10 points (2/3 FG, 2/3 3PT), had 1 steal and 5 assists. He had nearly 25 minutes of playing time.

[wade moore]

I've been reading around on the boards some and it seems like a pretty decent little community.

I think starting an FOFC team would really rock, but I think we need to fully understand what we're doing first so we don't set ourselves up for failure. I'm not sure what happens if we start outclassing our league, etc.

I also imagine if we get any amount of popularity on FOFC we'll need more than one team as we probably already have too many for one team, and definitely too many if everyone wants PT.

[JonInMiddleGA]

i can't seem to get into the stupid tournament. it says i'm on my free day in the 1-on-1 page but when i try to sign in, it says i'm busy. meh.

+1

[JonInMiddleGA]

It didn't improve their 14th position in the league table, but the Jidd Ĥafş Orcs routed the previously 8th place Jidd Ĥafş Whites 94-65.

A 39-35 halftime lead bloomed with a 19-0 run in the 3rd quarter and that was more than enough to put the game away.

Newcomer Rock Acewell didn't make an appearance until the 3rd quarter but finished with 23:57 PT, 9 pts, 1 blk, 1 assist, and 1 rebound.

[daedalus]

+1i FINALLY got into the tournament. not sure what the difference is.

[Travis]

For those discussing the 1 on 1 tourney, I think you have to wait until your game day is over (ie: the daily reset that controls when you can sign up for new training, not when your game that day ends) and your actual day off starts before you can sign up. So there is a few hour window between the end of the game and the end of the day where you can't sign up for the 1 on 1 tourney.

[thealmighty]

Update #1: I was, indeed, released. Went back in the draft and wound up in Italy, League 3. We won my first game. I had 19 points (thanks to 4/7 3-pointers as I suck at regular floor shooting), 8 rebounds and 5 assists. This was all in 3 quarters as I didn't even play in the fourth (stamina problem, maybe?).

Update #2: It appears, after reading in the thread from the team link Icy posted, I was in the fallout from something that could be a dealbreaker for buying a team. People cheat... alot. Seems people buy multiple teams, then drain all the assets and sell/send them to the one team they wish. This gives them lots to spend on players that others in the series can't match. The owner of the SF team did some shady dealing and siphoned off $15 million or so. The team I got on was last years top team. The guy gutted the whole team practically and sent the money to another team owned by his brother. Something like that anyway...very convoluted.

There was 11 mil cash in the account, and then he sold off more players. It doesnt matter what the initial steal was, because there is 15.5 mil missing, just up and taken.

This is a lot different than what Talad and Omnem normally see. For one, your brother was sloppy and obvious. I've already sent detailed PMs to Talad and Omnem about it. Secondly, there's no legwork to be done on their part at all. Look at the account, see it. Easy.

To me its simple - if you really had no idea, then the scenario I proposed to you, keeping it strictly between us, will likely cool the whole scenario down. Somehow ya'll get the 5 mil, and I take back a chunk of the cash so I actually have a chance of rebuilding this team without having to sell any of my Brazilian players. If you keep the money, then it seems to me its pretty obvious you had planned on gutting the team from day 1, and puts your entire situation in doubt IMO.

I guess I'll stick with it for a bit and see how it goes.

[thealmighty]

dola...

My player is valued at 17.08. Any other new players much better than that?

[thealmighty]

double dola...

I got in the weeny 1-on-1 tourney but there are dozens and dozens of higher rated players in the list of entrants so it may not be worth the trouble to enter for awhile anyway.

[Travis]

dola...

My player is valued at 17.08. Any other new players much better than that?

I'm sitting at 17.15, though from what I've read, the shoes I bought (+5 to 3 point shooting and +3 to confidence) aren't factored into that.

[Icy]

Ok, finally thanks to all the players that joined the league i have 1000 cyberpoints, enough to buy a team.

As we have more that enough players for a few teams, what about if i change the refer link at the top of this thread for any of your ID's so if more FOFCers join the game, another of you will get cyberpoints to buy another team and we can end having a few teams managed by fofcers.

If any of you is volunteer to try to buy a team, tell me your ref code and i'll put it in the first post of this thread.

I'm also goign to see if I can buy a team today. As most of you are from USA, i guess i should buy an USA team, do you guys agree?

[Icy]

Dola, i see I can buy a team in the Zinc USA league (4th USA division):

Texas Rockets (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=team&id=1428)

do you guys like it?

[dj_morton]

looks good...here's my guy..try to get me!

http://www.cyberdunk.com/player.php?id=341034&n=Doug%20Morton

United Kingdom Division 6 Rotherham Cougars

[Izulde]

Can you change the team name? I always personally preferred city names over state names. :)

[JAG]

Icy, if you make a team and sign all FOFCers, the team is initially going to suck. A lot. That will probably hurt the team's performance and thus your bottom line. On the other hand, you could potentially sign us to much better salaries than we're currently making (depending on how the budget would be spread around), meaning we could all improve a lot faster than otherwise. Just a couple things to think about.

John Snow had a pretty solid game yesterday. 23 points, 13 rebounds, and 1 steal in 40+ minutes of play. I highly recommend focusing on stamina training until you get it to 20, just getting a couple points seems to help a lot.

[Icy]

Umm bad news, i investigated a bit more and it seems that the 1000 cyberpoints are to buy a team for only one season!! not forever!

So to keep the team for more than one season it would mean:

1) Getting more cyberpoints from new players referals (and i can see now why the game is spammed a lot in other boards, to gain referals)

2) Buying more cyberpoints with real money, at $8.75 per season.

If the game is incredible fun, i don't mind to expend that money, but... even beign fun, i don't think it is that fun.

[Icy]

Can you change the team name? I always personally preferred city names over state names. :)

Yes, this is what we can do when owning a team:

Advantages of owning an entire team: Offer Contracts, Set lineups, improve stadium, change ticketprices, change stadium names, in depth accounting information, release players, bonus players, etc. 1000 CDP.

[JeeberD]

A Texas based basketball team named the Rockets? PERFECT! :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

dola...My player is valued at 17.08. Any other new players much better than that?

According to my team roster page, I'm at 17.2, but that's rounded up (apparently) from my real rating of 17.15 (per my player homepage)

[heybrad]

Val Cano made his debut as Novi Shinobis defeated the Ljubuki Meerkats 90-73. Val played 18 minutes and had 6 pts, 3 rebounds and 4 assists.

[JAG]

Umm bad news, i investigated a bit more and it seems that the 1000 cyberpoints are to buy a team for only one season!! not forever!

Oh...well in that case, nevermind. Unless this turns out to be a simply fantastic game and someone decides they are interested in running a team on a more permanent basis.

[wade moore]

I still feel strongly that we should wait to buy a team. Just like when I was reading about the guys playing Trukz, I think we need to get ourselves established a bit, understand the game, etc before we go forming our first team. Let us build up some quality off of other people's money, build up cyber points, etc. before we jump into buying a team.

[Travis]

I still feel strongly that we should wait to buy a team. Just like when I was reading about the guys playing Trukz, I think we need to get ourselves established a bit, understand the game, etc before we go forming our first team. Let us build up some quality off of other people's money, build up cyber points, etc. before we jump into buying a team.

++

[Bad-example]

Little Potato Young, the "Stormin' Mormon"
PF
6'5"
225

Drafted by the Alimos Frogs (Greece, Division 6)
Value 17.0

[Icy]

Ok, then let's keep playing as we are mid season anyway, and for the next season, we will decide if we buy a team or not, depending on the fun we have as players.

[ntndeacon]

looks like the 6-9 Deacon Palmieri is playing in the 6th Division of Chile

[Yellow5]

Alexander Thunder, SG playing for Smederevo Andele (http://www.cyberdunk.com/team.php?m=team&id=8229)

[wade moore]

Ok, then let's keep playing as we are mid season anyway, and for the next season, we will decide if we buy a team or not, depending on the fun we have as players.

That was kind of what I'm thinking.. I'm not sure how much longer RL is left in this season, but that seems like a logical break.

[mrkilla22]

Signed up as SF Frank Justice on the Burnaby Blades in Canada Division 4.

[Travis]

That's four of us in Canada's Division 4 now. Should be some good early rivalries developing ;)

Looking ahead, I get to match up against Jeeber D Mack on day 41, then Sam Jolley on day 43. See you gents on the court.

[Coffee Warlord]

God, this makes me wanna try and get my old college basketball game actually working properly / stable.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Okay, I'm kind of wondering if this thing might not have some bugs left to work out.

My team just won it's game today by a final score of 180-20.
40 36 51 53 180
7 2 7 4 20

Apparently our opposition only had four players and one of those fouled out with just 10:29 of playing time, meaning we played most of the game 5-on-3.

I had a pretty good game I guess, 20 points of 8/13 from the floor, 1/3 from 3 pt, and 1/4 at the line with 38:38 of playing time. I also shared the team lead in rebounds with 24 as we outrebounded them 87-13. 'Course, there's a little problem with our 76 defensive rebounds ... the other team only took a total of 34 shots.

[wade moore]

My impression is that things are a bit screwy on the lower level, all/most CPU controlled teams. I think that things may normalize a bit when you get to all Human controlled teams on the higher levels.

[rjolley]

Something I've noticed: Starters must play until they absolutely pass out, then the backup comes in and does the same. Looking at the box score, the starting PF on my team played all 24 minutes of the 1st half, then a much of the 3rd quarter as he could, then I came in and played the rest of the game. My line says I played only in the 3rd and 4th quarters and played about 23 minutes.

[wade moore]

Another note - I view this gamea s more of a potential exercise like Trukz rather than an attempt to make a great Basketball simulation. It's more like a decent web game that has Basketball as the back-drop. The fact that it takes all of 5-10 minutes a day to manage makes me abale to rationalize this. If it took an hour a day and was completely unrealistic I'm sure I'd quit pretty quickly.. but this seem slike an ok mock of basketball that takes little commitment.

[wade moore]

Dola: and the fact that the developers seem active is a plus for me.

[JAG]

It also seems to be a fairly new game (openned in late April of this year).

[Anthony]

created SF Dean Houston, plays in Argentina league 5.

[Ryno]

Droppen Dymes comes off the bench in his first game. 7 pts (2-3), 2 Ast, 0 TO, 1 Reb in a little over 17 minutes of action. Hopefully he'll start after his training is finished in two days.

[Icy]

Nice, my team owner finally answered my PM, saying that the other PF is an offensive stud, way better than mine, so if i work on my defensive ratings, i'll get playing time to get a more balanced team.

[Travis]

Anybody done much looking forward as far as training goes? Think the tradeoff of time gained vs extra money spent is worth going with the advanced training methods once you can afford it (this of course for the 10/20 level training)?

$60 + 1 day to improve 1 category for 1 point
vs
$20,000 + 3 days to improve 1 category for 5 points
vs
$14,990 + 4 days to improve 2 categories for 3 points and a 3rd category 1 point.

Obviously faster to use the latter two, but how big of a contract do you need to have going to justify that price? Worth going bigger while at the lower levels at all?

I'm up to 17.31 so far just sticking (obviously) with the $60 training. Going to do a bit deeper digging at home, but just trying to get all my skills up to 20 for now while giving my PG related skills a bit of a boost through clothing bonuses.

[WSUCougar]

Brett Rhylla, SF

Cannakale Ny Basket Union
U.S. Zinc league

[Ryno]

I didn't really give much thought when I first chose the training. I did +2 dribbling and +2 passing for $500/5 days. I don't think I could've done +1 since I was already at 20 in both.

I think I'll do a series of +1 upgrades to get everything up to 20 before I do any more advanced ones.

[Icy]

Don't forget to buy wristbands and shoes, there are cheap ones that can give you a good attributes raise. The underwear stuff is prety expensive for us newbies ($20k minimum).

[heybrad]

Playing time seems a bit quirky. I was the starting PF in last night's game. When I looked at the box score, breaking it down by quarter, here were my minutes.

Q1: 12 min
Q2: 12 min
Q3: 50 sec
Q4: nothing

Looks like the same numbers for our star C Zigmas Jeronimo. It looks like you play until you drop dead and then you're out the rest of the game. Of course this is only one box score, so maybe it's something else weird.

[heybrad]

Looking back at my first game, it's the same deal. Once I was taken out, I never made it back in. So much for being a starter.

[hawk4669]

Now, is that one computer managed teams, or are these human managers? I get the same thing and I'm wondering if the computer just doesn't know any better.

I dunno.

Cheers!

[wade moore]

I didn't really give much thought when I first chose the training. I did +2 dribbling and +2 passing for $500/5 days. I don't think I could've done +1 since I was already at 20 in both.

I think I'll do a series of +1 upgrades to get everything up to 20 before I do any more advanced ones.

I'm thinking similar logic.. at our salary levels right now the $60/1 day is the best value.. but if you want something to increase and you're at 21, you need to do the $500/5day/+2/+2 training (which I did yesterday). You get less increase per day, but you can't do the +1 $60 if you're over 20.

So, I am trying to beef up my "PG Skills" so I went ahead with the 5 day deal, but yeah - right now for things that you are under 20 and you want to increas - $60/+1 is the way to go.

[chinaski]

That's four of us in Canada's Division 4 now. Should be some good early rivalries developing ;)

Looking ahead, I get to match up against Jeeber D Mack on day 41, then Sam Jolley on day 43. See you gents on the court.

One more for the list in Canada's Division 4 - Shinki Chen prowling the low post for the Windsor Devils.

[heybrad]

Now, is that one computer managed teams, or are these human managers? I get the same thing and I'm wondering if the computer just doesn't know any better.

I dunno.

Cheers!
Yes, I'm on a computer managed team.

[JAG]

Anybody done much looking forward as far as training goes? Think the tradeoff of time gained vs extra money spent is worth going with the advanced training methods once you can afford it (this of course for the 10/20 level training)?

$60 + 1 day to improve 1 category for 1 point
vs
$20,000 + 3 days to improve 1 category for 5 points
vs
$14,990 + 4 days to improve 2 categories for 3 points and a 3rd category 1 point.

Obviously faster to use the latter two, but how big of a contract do you need to have going to justify that price? Worth going bigger while at the lower levels at all?

I'm up to 17.31 so far just sticking (obviously) with the $60 training. Going to do a bit deeper digging at home, but just trying to get all my skills up to 20 for now while giving my PG related skills a bit of a boost through clothing bonuses.

From what I have found poking around is even with a decent salary (which none of us are particularly close to getting), we need to do some hardcore betting to get our cash reserves up. There are apparently a lot of decent bets out there that give between 4:1 and 5:1 odds (good bets seem to be those where the team match-ups are close in value and pit a human vs. a computer), over time that will generate lots of cash. If you can stand their awful forums, they have a thread where people post their daily best bets:

hxxp://www.talkdep.com/showthread.php?t=12236

Kind of silly to have to go this route to get a bunch of cash, but you can obviously get superior equipment and training if you have a big stockpile of moolah and thus advance your player faster than via salary alone. I've set 2 bets thusfar, one takes place later today, the other one worked out at a 4.9:1 payout.

EDIT: To answer your Q, I think the more expensive ones are worth it once you have the cash available to do it, since you will gain more stats in less time (using the +5 in 3 days training vs. the +1 in 1 day) and once money isn't a factor, the only factor left is amount of time needed for training...so ideally you'd pick the most stats in the smallest amount of time.

[Travis]

From what I have found poking around is even with a decent salary (which none of us are particularly close to getting), we need to do some hardcore betting to get our cash reserves up. There are apparently a lot of decent bets out there that give between 4:1 and 5:1 odds (good bets seem to be those where the team match-ups are close in value and pit a human vs. a computer), over time that will generate lots of cash. If you can stand their awful forums, they have a thread where people post their daily best bets:

hxxp://www.talkdep.com/showthread.php?t=12236

Kind of silly to have to go this route to get a bunch of cash, but you can obviously get superior equipment and training if you have a big stockpile of moolah and thus advance your player faster than via salary alone. I've set 2 bets thusfar, one takes place later today, the other one worked out at a 4.9:1 payout.

EDIT: To answer your Q, I think the more expensive ones are worth it once you have the cash available to do it, since you will gain more stats in less time (using the +5 in 3 days training vs. the +1 in 1 day) and once money isn't a factor, the only factor left is amount of time needed for training...so ideally you'd pick the most stats in the smallest amount of time.

Thanks for the link, definitely will check into that.

And yeah, once money is no longer a factor, then it's a different race, but I guess if the betting is that "easy" (won't comment too much until I see how well that works), then it shouldn't take too long to eliminate one of the options at least.

[thealmighty]

We are now 2-0 during my tenure, beating Frosinone Vikings 90-72. I had 20 points with 9 boards in 34:40 PT ( 12:00/12:00/5:34/5:06 by quarter with a stamina rating of only 15). The MotM had 23 points and 29 rebounds :eek: !

On the betting front, I read that thread before and took their advice...and made $2800 on an $800 bet ($2k profit). The game ended 111-41 as the other team had ZERO players and had to start a brand new team group lineup. IoW, check the betting games for auto win bets if there are any.

[Coffee Warlord]

15 points, 3 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. Whee.

[Travis]

I only had $388 to put on that one (split my money between two bets), but I'll definitely take the $1,358 return on that investment.

Only got to play 2:48 in the most recent game (a loss), a bit let down after playing around 38 minutes in a winning effort the previous game. Not sure if I was injured or what, but shouldn't have been an endurance issue.

[Icy]

Great, after the Pm i sent to my team's human coach, he finally gave me some play time... with great results. I outplayed the starter with 1/3 of his minutes.

The starter played 34 minutes, scored 4 points and took 2 rebounds
I played 13 minutes, scored 4 points and took 3 rebounds, so it seems i did better than the starter while playing way less minutes.

Let's see if my coach plays me more from now, there is only one problem, the starter is the team's coach player, so i doubt i'll ever take the starting job :(
Of course i won't renew my contract once is over with this team, and will become an FA.

[Anthony]

created a new guy. wanted to play in Canada with some of you other guys. C Hell Atlantic of the Sorreal Dream Team. i love that name.

[Ryno]

a quote from that betting thread:

trying to fix the game currently


I'm with wade moore about only playing because the game takes so little time. I haven't played long, but I haven't been very impressed so far. It has a lot of potential though, so I'll stick with it and see where it goes.

[illinifan999]

PG Daniel Ertmann of the San Francisco Sonic Funk in the Golden League in USA

[rjolley]

Last game: 7/11 (1/2 3pts) for 17 pts, 3 rebs, 1 assist, 1 block in 25:32 minutes. Looks like the starting PF left, so I'm in at the 4. Kool.

[MrBug708]

Shaq Attack just killed my team

[wade moore]

We played our first game, and I got 0 PT - but we won.

I need to get on top of this betting thing.

[daedalus]

no PT for game 2. it looked like (based on the minutes played) the starting SG was out of stamina last game and i ended up playing the whole game there. we have a new SG (bastard) so next time the fella is dead on his feet, i may not get the same chance. c'est la vie.

and, <curse words>, somebody went and bought the texas rockets (the team icy was looking at). they had apparently been a highly ranked/rated team that went kaput. so the bet line on them were still high even though they had no players. i managed to get one good bet on them. but now that's gone. bastards.

according to the sentiment on the forum, that seems to be how people are affording training/equipment -- through betting. contract is just . . . nice. i don't think i have the patience some of y'all folks do but, apparently, the idea is to find a human-vs-computer game where the computer was the more highly rated game and you get a nice payout on the human.

now, i just need to find more of these games. :D

[daedalus]

From what I have found poking around is even with a decent salary (which none of us are particularly close to getting), we need to do some hardcore betting to get our cash reserves up. There are apparently a lot of decent bets out there that give between 4:1 and 5:1 odds (good bets seem to be those where the team match-ups are close in value and pit a human vs. a computer), over time that will generate lots of cash. If you can stand their awful forums, they have a thread where people post their daily best bets:

hxxp://www.talkdep.com/showthread.php?t=12236

Kind of silly to have to go this route to get a bunch of cash, but you can obviously get superior equipment and training if you have a big stockpile of moolah and thus advance your player faster than via salary alone. I've set 2 bets thusfar, one takes place later today, the other one worked out at a 4.9:1 payout.f'n jag. beat me to it. bastard.

:D

[daedalus]

God, this makes me wanna try and get my old college basketball game actually working properly / stable.yes, hurry up. punk.

[wade moore]

apparently, the idea is to let someone on the cyberdunk message board find a human-vs-computer game where the computer was the more highly rated game and you get a nice payout on the human.

Fixed that for ya.

[wade moore]

a quote from that betting thread:




I'm with wade moore about only playing because the game takes so little time. I haven't played long, but I haven't been very impressed so far. It has a lot of potential though, so I'll stick with it and see where it goes.

Agreed on the potential - and again the activity and openness of the developers (compared especially to say Trukz) is very encouraging to me. So, I'll stick it out for now through the rough times. It seems like you can get by without spending real cash - that just gets a little tricky maybe when buying a team. But we could pool money for buying a team and have very little impact on each of us individually.

[chesapeake]

The AI that determines playing time and substitutions is idiotic at best. I drop 21 points and 4 assists in 30 mins one game and ride the pine for the next game. I agree with others that starters seem to be based on how much stamina you have at the start of a game. I'm back to 100, so I suspect I will start and play all 48 tonight.

[hawk4669]

I have no idea what they think. I was at 91% stamina and played 48 minutes in our last game. *shrug*

Cheers!

[chinaski]

they really need to make computer controlled teams give PT priority to non-npcs.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Third straight win for a previously hapless team, as I play nearly 46 minutes and suck pretty much. Just 8 points & 6 boards. And stamina down into the 80's now, so I probably won't play at all in the next game.

I'm really starting to have problems with the apparently whackadoo engine behind the basketball part of this game, trying to stay positive but finding it tough to do right now.

[wade moore]

Third straight win for a previously hapless team, as I play nearly 46 minutes and suck pretty much. Just 8 points & 6 boards. And stamina down into the 80's now, so I probably won't play at all in the next game.

I'm really starting to have problems with the apparently whackadoo engine behind the basketball part of this game, trying to stay positive but finding it tough to do right now.
I'm worried I may fall in the same boat. I'll stick with it (again cause of the limited time commitment) but with Towel Boy starting back up it could make me reconsider..

[hawk4669]

Played in my fourth game today....dropped 20 points including five 3 pointers. Only played 23 minutes though. :rolleyes:

Cheers!

[Travis]

Just got to play my first complete game and helped the team pick up their second win since joining the team. Apparently my new accessory purchase helped out with the rebounding situation as I only had 1 total coming into the game and proceeded to pick up 6 in this game alone (while still tying for the team lead in assists with 5).

So far: 20pts (7 of 15 from the floor, 0 for 2 from the line and 3 of 13 from behind the 3 point line), 0 steals (somewhat surprising), 1 turnover, 2 blocks, 16 assists, 7 rebounds and 3 fouls in approx. 9 quarters of action.

Definitely need to see the steal numbers start/improve, but otherwise, relatively happy with the production.

[rjolley]

Not a bad game. 10 pts, 8 reb, 3 ast in a blowout win. Only played 21 minutes. Ah well, we won.

EDIT: And I won my bets too. Spent $125, got back $468. Not bad.

[Anthony]

nah, i'll skip this for Towel Boy. don't make enough to get my guy better and i don't want to have to do research to bet on the human vs. AI teams.

[daedalus]

apparently, the idea is to let someone on the cyberdunk message board find a human-vs-computer game where the computer was the more highly rated game and you get a nice payout on the human.Fixed that for ya.good point. and, for those of you who do not mind gambling away what meager money our character have, i present to you today's apparently hot bet (http://www.talkdep.com/showpost.php?p=361719&postcount=3473) straight from bahrain.

[JAG]

Yeah, I would definitely not recommend doing the searching yourself for good bets, just read a couple pages from that forum link above and you'll have the info you need. I'm 5 for 6 with bets thus far and have pushed the cash up to 32k. With some luck today, that will be closer to 170k.

Meanwhile, John Snow managed a double-double yesterday, but after attempting 10 3pt shots, his energy was down to 70% (I think I saw somewhere that 3pt shots drain energy faster). I changed my tactics so that won't happen again, at least not til I have more stamina.

[wade moore]

I wish I had gotten on betting earlier, made a lot of cash last night. I'm going to be riding this betting train..

Anyway.. the top PG on my team left for another squad so I played last night..

In 33 minutes my stats were:

14 points - 4/9 FG, 2/4 3P, 1 Block, 3 Assists, 1 OR, 3 DR

Not pad for a young PG.

[Icy]

I just started to bet, didn't try it before. Regardng playing, my human team owner keeps not playing me for a single minute, if i doesn't play me again in the next game i'll request him to release me.

[JAG]

For betting I recommend not putting all your eggs in one basket, just like with regular investments. It's a good thing I followed that because I put a good chunk of cash into the Baharin team and lost it, but I still have two other bets that would net me a profit for the day if they come through.

[Icy]

For betting I recommend not putting all your eggs in one basket, just like with regular investments. It's a good thing I followed that because I put a good chunk of cash into the Baharin team and lost it, but I still have two other bets that would net me a profit for the day if they come through.

Good advice... too bad i read it after betting and losing all my money in the Bahreim game :D

[wade moore]

Crap, that means I probably lost all of my money in bahrain too.

[heybrad]

Novi Shinobis lost their first game last night since I joined the team. My playing time mysteriously dropped to only 8 minutes after having posted career highs in our previous game, being the 2nd leading scorer on the team. I checked who took my minutes and it seems we've signed another PF. His value is lower than mine. He played all 48 minutes.

[Icy]

Playing time is really screwed in this game, i like training and the mix of human owners and players, but the match engine needs a huge work.

[chinaski]

/tip If youre wanting to make sure you get into the draft for a particular country, set all countries to zero and set the country you want to play in to one.

[duckman]

Rocket Heath, PG, Asti Towers of Italy Division 5

Damn, stuck behind two point guards and one is much better than I am (19.6). :(

[chinaski]

Playing time is really screwed in this game, i like training and the mix of human owners and players, but the match engine needs a huge work.

Looks like fouls play a big part in determining who comes off the bench. Last game for me (im a bench warming SG) there was a total of 5 fouls the entire game and i never left the bench.

[Ryno]

I've played a total of 3:25 in the last two games. :(

I just passed the other 2 PGs in value today, so hopefully I get some more minutes in the next few games.

[JeeberD]

I've gotten some PT the past two games, but not a ton. I guess I need to work on my stamina, I haven't seen more that twenty minutes yet.

[k0ruptr]

my guy is the starting PG now but only cause the rest of the team sucks...

up to a 17.38 rating

[Travis]

Ready for a little heads up matchup tomorrow Jeeber?

Hoping to get my energy back up over 90% so I can start the game rather than just playing when somebody else gets tired.

[JeeberD]

Bring it, Travis! You're going down!

[duckman]

The only thing that Jeeber can bring is another serving of the Never Ending Pasta Bowl. ;)

[BreizhManu]

Signed up as SF Frank Justice on the Burnaby Blades in Canada Division 4.
I'm your new C Manuel Martin :D

[Travis]

Looks like if a majority stick with this, we might have to do 2 teams next season unless we're going to do a lot of time shares.

[BreizhManu]

For tracking purpose I did an excel file of the FOFC players (http://martin.manuel.free.fr/FOFCCyberdunk.xls)

Still missing info (might have missed it) from chinaski, Illinifan999, JAG and Passacaglia.

Feel free to PM me to correct this.

Edit : info added for Blade, Hell Atlantic, CU Tiger
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[Anthony]

hell atlantic (the Center) is in Premier of Canada league.

[k0ruptr]

For tracking purpose I did an excel file of the FOFC players (http://martin.manuel.free.fr/FOFCCyberdunk.xls)

Still missing info (might have missed it) from Blade, chinaski, CU Tiger, Hell Atlantic, Illinifan999, JAG and Passacaglia.

Feel free to PM me to correct this.
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sweet thx!

[CU Tiger]

Shaq Qannabeme is a C, and everything else is in your spread sheet


http://www.cyberdunk.com/player.php?id=341901&n=Shaq%20Wannabeme

[JeeberD]

The only thing that Jeeber can bring is another serving of the Never Ending Pasta Bowl. ;)

That ended last Sunday, bitch! :p ;)

[Passacaglia]

That ended last Sunday, bitch! :p ;)

What's up with that, anyway? Doesn't it usually run way later?

[JeeberD]

Nope...it ran its usual eight weeks.

[Ragone]

Mikheal Jordanov Sg Magdeburg Sandworms

Germany
Deutsche Three

I'm the starter by a wide margin on my team now.. apparently the computer sold off a ton of people on my team heh

[wade moore]

For tracking purpose I did an excel file of the FOFC players (http://martin.manuel.free.fr/FOFCCyberdunk.xls)

Still missing info (might have missed it) from chinaski, Illinifan999, JAG and Passacaglia.

Feel free to PM me to correct this.

Edit : info added for Blade, Hell Atlantic, CU Tiger
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Awesome, thanks!

[wade moore]

So my guy has been pretty successful the last couple of games...

Day 39 he scored 11 points (4/7 FG, 1/3 3Pt) and had 1 steal, 7 assists, 1 oReb, 4 DReb in about 35 minutes

Day 41 he scored 16 (4/9 FG, 2/5 3Pt, 2/4 FT) and had 1 Steal, 1 Block, 5 Assists, and 4 DReb in about 42 minutes

The team still stinks, but I'm getting some good PT. I still feel like this game will be pretty fun when we get to the point of getting a team and competing against other humans.

[BreizhManu]

Awesome, thanks!

Strangely you were not in the list, now you are :D

(also added Ragone)

[wade moore]

Strangely you were not in the list, now you are :D

(also added Ragone)Hah, clearly I didn't look it over in detail ;).

[MrBug708]

Kyle Kappe
Amersfoot Goshawks in the Netherlands Div 6. PG from America

[thealmighty]

It doesn't seem to matter at all if you play the whole time or sit forever. Al has only improved his value when he trains, so just train every opportunity and get lots of $$ to buy the best equipment...and wait around forever until you get good enough.

Agreement or have you seen different results?

[Ryno]

Despite having a higher value than the other 2 PGs, and being fully rested, I didn't get in the game at all. Droppen Dymes is not happy. :mad:

[wade moore]

It doesn't seem to matter at all if you play the whole time or sit forever. Al has only improved his value when he trains, so just train every opportunity and get lots of $$ to buy the best equipment...and wait around forever until you get good enough.

Agreement or have you seen different results?This is what I'm starting to realize also.. Pretty stupid IMO that playing doesn't increase your skills, but whatever..

[thealmighty]

Another idiotic thing is that I already have over $60k after a week or so thanks to that betting thread...have not lost one yet.

[Icy]

Another idiotic thing is that I already have over $60k after a week or so thanks to that betting thread...have not lost one yet.

Lucky you, i have only bet once and lost all my money (at the Barheim team bet that was posted here).

[wade moore]

Another idiotic thing is that I already have over $60k after a week or so thanks to that betting thread...have not lost one yet.You're way ahead of me because when I hit the 5k mark I lost that Bahrain bet, I'm back up to 3800 now though...

[thealmighty]

Lucky you, i have only bet once and lost all my money (at the Barheim team bet that was posted here).

You're way ahead of me because when I hit the 5k mark I lost that Bahrain bet, I'm back up to 3800 now though...

One thing I took from Hattrick is not to take a computer game engine for granted so, while I have been lucky and not lost a bet yet, I also never put all my money on one game. I have always either bet on two games as a hedge or, if I can't find two I like, I don't bet the whole wad on the one game. It will take me longer to get really big money in my account, but less chance to lose also.

[wade moore]

One thing I took from Hattrick is not to take a computer game engine for granted so, while I have been lucky and not lost a bet yet, I also never put all my money on one game. I have always either bet on two games as a hedge or, if I can't find two I like, I don't bet the whole wad on the one game. It will take me longer to get really big money in my account, but less chance to lose also.That's what i've been doing ever since ;).

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm still trying to figure out how you guys can muddle through that sure-thing bet thread in order to get useful information out of it.

I'm not sure what's worse, the halfwits with the bets that don't work or the obnoxious asshats yelling at them for posting.

[wade moore]

I'm still trying to figure out how you guys can muddle through that sure-thing bet thread in order to get useful information out of it.

I'm not sure what's worse, the halfwits with the bets that don't work or the obnoxious asshats yelling at them for posting.I basically make sure it has been several hours since a bet was posted. If no one has bitched and it passes a sniff test for me, then i go for it. Not doing this is how I screwed myself on bahrain.

[Bad-example]

Little Potato Young is getting good PT and putting up good numbers. After four games he is averaging 14.5 points and 12.7 rebounds in just under 40 minutes.

He will not be doing any gambling for religious reasons. The Stormin' Mormon might want to pursue a career in his church or maybe politics when his playing career is over.

[thealmighty]

I'm still trying to figure out how you guys can muddle through that sure-thing bet thread in order to get useful information out of it.

I'm not sure what's worse, the halfwits with the bets that don't work or the obnoxious asshats yelling at them for posting.

I get good information because I always look the game up before betting on it. If the human team has a better value but is the underdog to the computer team, you stand an excellent chance to win. If not, I don't bet on that game.

[Travis]

Anybody catch any good bets for today? Their forum has been down for me all day.

[thealmighty]

Haven't checked for today but I went 3-3 yesterday (betting, not shooting) and am now over $100k in the bank. :)

[Ragone]

My team in deustche three is a 3.1 underdog and is 3 rating points higher then its opponent

Sandworms :)

[Travis]

If the league forums aren't up soon (or even if they are), opinions on splitting up the leagues for bet research? Guidelines like HUM vs COM, min 4.0 betting line for the HUM where HUM team value >= COM team value? If we have enough people checking, could just split up the leagues so it doesn't take anybody too terribly long on their own. Should also be cleaner than the booky thread (which we could still cross reference if/when it's up again). How many are still actively playing this?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm still active, but just barely.

This morning was a good example. My team won, I played 48 minutes, scored 10, had a career high in assists, and put another $60 trainer to work. I tried several leagues looking for a decent HUM vs COM bet, came up empty.

Sum total of my reaction was basically "big whoop".

[Travis]

I'm still active, but just barely.

This morning was a good example. My team won, I played 48 minutes, scored 10, had a career high in assists, and put another $60 trainer to work. I tried several leagues looking for a decent HUM vs COM bet, came up empty.

Sum total of my reaction was basically "big whoop".

Well, I'm assuming for now that this is just laying the framework and that the game picks up quite a bit when you're on a human controlled team/build a bit of a community with your other players/coach/etc. Not sure how it'll work next season when/if there is a FOFC team (really hoping there is), but that'll be the make or break point for me. This season I'm just trying to get a decent cash flow going so I can pump up the training.

[wade moore]

Well, I'm assuming for now that this is just laying the framework and that the game picks up quite a bit when you're on a human controlled team/build a bit of a community with your other players/coach/etc. Not sure how it'll work next season when/if there is a FOFC team (really hoping there is), but that'll be the make or break point for me. This season I'm just trying to get a decent cash flow going so I can pump up the training.

+1

[Anthony]

my Sorreal Dream Team that Hell Atlantic plays for was pounded, 124-28. Hell Atlantic didn't get any PT, as the starting C played all 48 minutes. don't know if my team is controlled by human or PC. i'm done with this crap. Towel Boy it is.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well, I'm assuming for now that this is just laying the framework and that the game picks up quite a bit when you're on a human controlled team/build a bit of a community with your other players/coach/etc. Not sure how it'll work next season when/if there is a FOFC team (really hoping there is), but that'll be the make or break point for me. This season I'm just trying to get a decent cash flow going so I can pump up the training.

Frankly, I've not really seen anything in the community there that I'd really want to have much to do with. I've got enough obnoxious jerks & 12 year old halfwits in my life, no need to add more.

I'm starting to think that the only way this might be interesting long term is as a owner/coach, and I'm not really picturing myself getting $10/season (or whatever it is) worth of fun out of that either. Right now I'm still able to manage to do some fire-and-forget stuff -- basically remembering to train something every day & I'm curious enough to see how my team & player did -- but I'm just not feeling it very much at this point.

[Travis]

The Brampton Greeks push their record to 6-2 since the aquisition of PG Jace Hunter (despite losing their first game after said pickup). Unfortunately their 5-16 record prior to his arrival means a top 10 finish in the division is unlikely at best.

[mckerney]

Center Steve Remington had his first double-double with a 11 point, 15 assist, 4 rebound performance in 39:45.

[rjolley]

Center Steve Remington had his first double-double with a 11 point, 15 assist, 4 rebound performance in 39:45.There's something really wrong with a center getting 15 assists, I don't care what offense you're running.

[hawk4669]

Not super impressed by this game so far, kind of echoing what you've all said.

On an up note, I've worked on my stamina quite a bit...and the last two games I've played all 48 minutes in both....with a computer coach and other human SG's on my team rated higher than me.

Go figure.

Cheers!

[Icy]

I had my first full game and had good stats:

48 minutes played, 13 points, 13 rebounds, 1 steal and 2 blocks.

About the game i must agree that is a bit limited. I'm enjoying it as i only need to loging once per day to setup the training and watch results but I think that a game like this has a huge potential if well done. In fact it's one of the main reasons of me thinking on developing my own online game, as I think i can do it better than this.

I'm going to be a dad in 2 weeks or so (and hopefully it all will be fine this time), so i'll be bussy for a while, but once I get used to it and can get my schedule organized again, for sure i'll start to develp my idea.

[JonInMiddleGA]

so i'll be bussy for a while, but once I get used to it and can get my schedule organized again, for sure i'll start to develp my idea.

So basically ... in about 21 years or so ;)

[rjolley]

I'm going to be a dad in 2 weeks or so (and hopefully it all will be fine this time), so i'll be bussy for a while, but once I get used to it and can get my schedule organized again, for sure i'll start to develp my idea.Congrats. And Jon is right, you'll be forever busy, so just carve out an hour or so at work. :)

[Icy]

So basically ... in about 21 years or so ;)

Hehe it can be worse here in Spain, as the average age for "kids" to leave parents home is 33 years old (the oldest in Europe by a huge difference).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Heh. Down 18-14 after one quarter, the resurgent Jidd Hafs Orcs rallied to beat the al-Hjdd Agvillas 114-45 in Bahrain League 2 action. The Orcs (14-16) outscored the Agvillas (15-15) 62-12 in the second half, holding them under double-digits in each of the last two quarters.

Rock Acewell finished with 27 points & 17 rebounds while playing all 48 minutes. Since joining the team, they've gone 6-2 after an 8-14 start.

[thealmighty]

Rock Acewell finished with 27 points & 17 rebounds while playing all 48 minutes.

Did that performance get you a MoM award?

I have led my team in 3/5 categories and still not got the award.

[thealmighty]

Very delayed dola...

I may be alone still with this game, but I finally hit a 19 value and $1 million in the bank.

Yes, it's a pretty lame game at this point, but I only spend 5 minutes a day so I'll stay in for now (5 minutes consists of setting training, reading the betting thread and placing a bet).

[k0ruptr]

Very delayed dola...

I may be alone still with this game, but I finally hit a 19 value and $1 million in the bank.

Yes, it's a pretty lame game at this point, but I only spend 5 minutes a day so I'll stay in for now (5 minutes consists of setting training, reading the betting thread and placing a bet).

im still goin, i think im at 18.7 but my money is low, i bet, and then use it all to train, then do it over again.

[wade moore]

I'm at 18.62 with 400k in the bank.

I messed up with that early betting, but once I got on a roll I'm doing very well. I'm still definitely interested in an FOFC team when Season 4 rolls around. Good thing about that it is it will weed out those that lose interest in the game also.

[Icy]

I'm at 19.8 but with only $5k in the bank. I started to bet recently again but after loosing it all a few times, i decided to play safe and bid only on the easy wins, that means low income growth (x1.3) but secure.

I'm enjoying the game as it takes me 10 minutes per day to login, setup training, check stats and join a 1on1 if i have a free day. I have 1k cyberpoints stored to buy a team for the next season and i'll try to get some FOFCers in the team, so before renewing your contracts, pm me with your ratings etc to see if i can make room for you in the team and sign you as free agents.

[thealmighty]

The thing about money and betting is that the max bet for any single day is $35k so now that I have lots of money I just bet on one game that I'm very positive about for the whole $35k. If I win I hit a $100k+ gain. If I lose (and I have only lost twice so far) it's just a drop in the proverbial bucket.

[JeeberD]

I'm still with the game. I got bought or sold or something...all of a sudden I'm on a different team. But I'm getting more PT now and putting up some solid numbers.

It's not the most thrilling game in the world, but it fits into the very limited free time that I have right now.

[rjolley]

I'm still playing, but I haven't done a bet in about a week, and my team signed 2 PFs and I'm now the lowest rated one at 18.3.

[sabotai]

Still playing, but some days I forget to login so I'm only at 18.15.

[hawk4669]

I'm still with it. I like the fact that this game is pretty passive and I don't have to do much more than log in once a day and check on things.

My SG is second rated on my team with an 18.31 rating. Getting massive playing time however and starting to see my point output increase. Last game, I scored a career high 25 points.

Cheers!

[heybrad]

Val Cano is still playing. He's apparently the Magic Johnson of the Bosnia & Herzegovinia league as he's dropped 11 and 15 assists in his past 2 games (while playing PF).

[CU Tiger]

I was named player of the game in my teams first win since I joined them

23 points 13 rbs and 5 assists for Shaq Wannabeme

I need some help on betting. How are you guy picking who to bet on?

Also there may be a bug, last 2 times I have chose a multi day training regimen it has been completed in 1 day.

[wade moore]

For betting - go to the forums and read the "Jeff the Booky" thread... the goons on there do the work for you.

[Ragone]

i concur with wade.. i'm almost over 1.5 mill now in cash just by following that thread

[Icy]

Nice, my team sold the PF that was above me, so i should get all the play time now.

[JAG]

Still playing at 19 value and about 800k in the bank. It's not a bad game for the time required. If it took hours a day to do it, I'd be gone though.

[Travis]

Just got a contract offer from the Dallas Dragons in the USA Silver League to be their backup PG. I like that the guy was up front, sent me an accompanying message outlining what my role on the team would be (would only get to play when their starter is fouled out or unable to play due to fatigue) as well as the perks the team offers (active team forum, player build tools, scouting reports, rotation reports). Makes it a bit easier to walk away from the $50,000 signing bonus with how the betting system works, but I'd much rather participate on the FOFC team.

[wade moore]

Wow, my guy went crazy today..

Man of the Match with 36 points (11/17 FG's, 4/5 3 Pt, 2/2 FT), 3 Assists, and 1 Rebound.

Looking at the calendar - does it look like the season is about to wind down and they'll we'll be moving to a new season soon? Icy - is it time to start looking at what team to buy?

[thealmighty]

Up to 20 value. Closing in on $2 million in the bank if I don't lose bets.

[thealmighty]

dola...

Been doing the +5 training to get as many skills to 25 before I have to go to the next level of training costs and times, if that makes sense.

[Travis]

Just bought my first (maxed out) piece of under clothing to go along with my earlier purchases of shoes and accessory. Now to start towards the 2.8 worth of coin to buy maxed out gear in those two categories before the more expensive training starts to really kick in. It is quite nice to see that extra +15 to 3 point shooting as a result of all the gear though.

[Travis]

Dola, just checked out the game for today and won my second straight MOM award. Got it yesterday for pulling down 20 boards, today it was a result of 28 points and 18 rebounds. Good couple of days for upping the rebounding average that's for sure.

[JeeberD]

Man, I guess I really need to start betting if I want to get ahead in the game. I'm slowly but surely getting better, but it appears the $60 training sessions aren't going to cut it...

[k0ruptr]

I'm at 19.8 or so, getting better , but still need to improve stamina ( currently at 25)

[Icy]

I have started to look for a team to buy, i'll post later what i found. I guess you guys would prefer an USA team right?

[Icy]

Ooops, double post.

[Ragone]

I really could care less where the team is :)

I just want some damn consistant play time

[CU Tiger]

I really could care less where the team is :)

I just want some damn consistant play time
+1

[JAG]

Doesn't particularly matter to me.

[wade moore]

Yeah, the way this game is setup I could care less where it is located. I'd rather us have a solid team, in what appears to be a good division, but where we can stay competitive.

[rjolley]

Up to 19.8 now. I've gotten MOM 3 starts in a row. Problem is there's a PF rated 21 above me, so I'm starting every other game right now.

I've won more bets than I've lost, but, for the most part, I wish I had this kind of luck in real life. :)

[wade moore]

I'm not rated quite as highly as you guys because I missed a few training sessions because of the stuff with my dad, but I am at almost $1mil and have quite a bit of good equipment.

I'm currently a 19.38 PG.

[Travis]

What's the plan for playing time/rotation/roster selection? I'm not terribly familiar with basketball (compared to hockey/football/baseball) so when it comes to the tactical side of things I'm probably a bit behind. I've tried to make my PG an effective passer, concentrated 3 point shooter and good at steals (though for some reason he seems to be owning the boards right now, so that might tell you just how well my ideas are being executed, d'oh). Not sure if that'll fit with what Icy is looking for, but I'm definitely willing to start training towards a different build if it'll fit in better.

[CU Tiger]

Next start.
Next MOM
26points
18boards
9 assists

My team has 2 wins in a month, my last two starts.

I need help understanding the bet thread.....then I will be on

[wade moore]

This is so weird.. I won man of the match again with 30 points.. what's weird is that the only thing that has changed in the last two games is we picked up two stud SG's (best ratings on the team).. so somehow adding them and now I just blow up.

30 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds in 39 minutes of play.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And I'm going in the opposite direction of wade moore.

Last five games:
(today) 48 mins, 1 point, 0/10 from the floor
43 mins, 23 pts, 10/22 from the floor
48 mins, 7 pts, 3/9 from the floor
40 mins, 19 pts, 8/15 from the floor
30 mins, 1 pt, 0/9 from the floor

[wade moore]

wow.. that's not good... did anything change in your team makeup?

I was thinking with me it may be a recent boost in Confidence, because I'm taking a crap-ton of shots when I used to hardly shoot the ball.

[JonInMiddleGA]

wow.. that's not good... did anything change in your team makeup?

I think we added a fourth (human player) big man, but you'd think that would make things easier for me from outside, not harder. Only thing I can figure is that it's moved me from SG to PG (although I think I've been mostly at the point for a while now anyway).

[Icy]

k, i have been researching their forums and i saw that i can buy a team for 70 real life days, that is a full season, so i'll wait until the season is over to buy a team, that way it will last until the end of th next season and then i'll decide if it's worth it to buy another season for $10.

About the lineups, tactics etc. i'm going to be the one who owns the team as i have the cyberpoints from all the refered players in this thread, but i want to run it in a democratic way. Everybody will have a say on the team tactics and lineups, so that way none could say that player X gets more play time etc. Of course we won't be able to buy the 30+ players that posted in this thread, as i think a team can have only 15 players max. In fact i think the perfect number would be 10 players, to have one backup at every position. Having too much players it would mean that none would get enough play time (and fun). To start with, i'll try to sign the best FOFCers but that are also still really interested on commiting to train their players daily, obey to training and tactics suggestions etc. Anyway more about it once we can own the team, in 3 or 4 days i think.

[rjolley]

I'm ok with not playing on the team right now, but let me know when there's a good line on a bet, will ya? :)