Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Neon_Chaos]

I will let you Titans and Olympians fight over this.

Jeez. I can't believe how worthless ArlingtonColt was this entire game.

[Neon_Chaos]

Do we know what St.Cronin did last night?

[Abe Sargent]

Telle or Anxiety would be the places I look. Likely Telle.

I agree on telle. But again, if I were the last wolf alive, and I have a majority of the votes on me, you can bet that iI am putting every last AP into keeping msyelf alive with my redirect vote ability and my own vote - all 5 AP get poured into Lathum, no question.

Which means I have no AP ;left over for a kill. AlanT says right in the opening rules that kills require AP which is why a BG needs a certain number of points to stop a high point kill.

No way I use a kill if I can keep myself alive, that's a bad play. In fact, I do pour all five of my AP into Lathum for self defense and other reasons I mention. So where did the kill come from? Obviously not me. So if you think I'm a wolf, then you beleive there are two titans left on teh bad side or for a bad play, I chose to send less than maximum votes of Lathum in order to take a flyer on a kill despite being the last wolf with a large number of votes on me.


-Abe

[Abe Sargent]

In fact, with six players remaining, two evil titans would have won the game.

Ergo, wee must be facing one. No way I'd not defend myself to teh max if Im the final wolf under teh gun. Ergo I'm Ares, as I have claimed all game.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaaargh

I hate all of you. I'm suspicious of all of you.

telle...did you learn anything from night actions?

[Neon_Chaos]

Telle, what did you learn about last night's actions?

[Neon_Chaos]

I have a feeling your medicine fucked up Raider's scans, Telle.

[Telle]

In fact, with six players remaining, two evil titans would have won the game.

Ergo, wee must be facing one. No way I'd not defend myself to teh max if Im the final wolf under teh gun. Ergo I'm Ares, as I have claimed all game.

Actually that depends on which two were the Titans, and thus how many Olympians are left. Plus Poseidon's still alive.. and he has to be dead for the Titans to win.

And if I was a Titan, do you think my co-Titan would move the deadline up on Day 3 when I was tied for the lead in votes, not having any idea how many APs were on me?

[Abe Sargent]

Let me figure out this logic puzzle out loud.

CR ain't the bad titan, he was stoned and there was still a kill. He c ould be medusa or a good titan, but he apparently isn;t a bad one,

I'm not.

I know who cronin is and can vouch that his description mathced his reveal perfectly. Nothing beyond that, but I've witnessed his ability in action. Can anybody confirm that cronin performed an action on them on Night 6 or 5, when we had just one titan left?

That leaves DT, NC and telle who I never had first hand knowledge of who was who. RA vouched for some of them but I've seen wolf roles that scan as good before - I was one last game when I was Lucifer. Plus, RA proved very unreliable. I'm actually glad it was him that was killed or else we could have wasted a day voting him out.

[Abe Sargent]

Actually that depends on which two were the Titans, and thus how many Olympians are left. Plus Poseidon's still alive.. and he has to be dead for the Titans to win.

And if I was a Titan, do you think my co-Titan would move the deadline up on Day 3 when I was tied for the lead in votes, not having any idea how many APs were on me?

Forgot about the Poseidon - good call on that.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh and we don;t know WHO changed the sun.

[Telle]

I have a feeling your medicine fucked up Raider's scans, Telle.

Oh shit.. that would make sense. It was after he got sick the day he scanned me that his scans started getting f'd up.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's put it all back out. NC and DT, who clearad you, why shoul dwe beelive you. LEt's have everybody make their case right now.

[Telle]

Oh and we don;t know WHO changed the sun.

Nobody claimed it. And Hoops's wikipedia usage came up with a pretty good theory of it being Hyperion. And then Racer turned out to be Hyperion. So yeah we don't know for sure.. but I feel pretty confident about it.

[Abe Sargent]

Telle, give me your own case. Beyond the "Apollo Scanned Me" stuff, although you can include htat if you want, make your case as if aevery vote was one you.

[DaddyTorgo]

anxiety - I tend to believe you, if only because of telle's mentioning of bloodlust and cronin's verification of things
neon - claims to be achilles (another bodyguard type). only vouching is through Render (IIRC, correct me if wrong) and telle saying achilles is in the game
chief rum - was stoned. Claims he isn't medusa despite evidence to the contrary. Claims to be a good titan
cronin - I believe he's a beautiful chica. Likely aphrodite as he has claimed. Possibly medusa with a hat (tongue in cheek).
myself - I trust 100%
telle - scanned by RA. confirmed scanned by RA but with some weirdness early in the game.

I think what we're looking at at this point is medusa working along with the last titan to try to obscure things well.

my guess: neon + telle

neon's vouched for by telle claiming achilles is in the game, which makes it very convienent that neon can claim to be achilles. For this reason I would say that telle is likely the last titan, as the titan would have the knowledge of what roles are or are not in the game (as we have hypothesized).

Both of them have actions that are "self-contained" by the nature of what they have told us, that is they cannot be verified by others.

VOTE TELLE

[Telle]

Telle, what did you learn about last night's actions?

Coeus is in the game.

[Neon_Chaos]

I am Achilles. And I'm willing to go on a 1-on-1 vote-off with anyone you want.

[DaddyTorgo]

Let me figure out this logic puzzle out loud.

CR ain't the bad titan, he was stoned and there was still a kill. He c ould be medusa or a good titan, but he apparently isn;t a bad one,

I'm not.

I know who cronin is and can vouch that his description mathced his reveal perfectly. Nothing beyond that, but I've witnessed his ability in action. Can anybody confirm that cronin performed an action on them on Night 6 or 5, when we had just one titan left?

That leaves DT, NC and telle who I never had first hand knowledge of who was who. RA vouched for some of them but I've seen wolf roles that scan as good before - I was one last game when I was Lucifer. Plus, RA proved very unreliable. I'm actually glad it was him that was killed or else we could have wasted a day voting him out.

wasn't it night 5 when cronin came to visit me?

[Abe Sargent]

Let's look at CR a little closer. He can be one of three things:

Bad Titan: If a bad titan, must have one other around to have killed today while stoned. Why give up bad guy titan after seer points finger at Lathum? Just let them duke it out for two days. Fed us information that he already knew while using AP to off people. After being reminded regarding Poseidon, we could be faciung two evil titans, and CR is hiding in the open.

Medua: Clever with the stone yourself trick. If so, killing is not a bad thing per se, but gets us away from the enemy.

Good Titan - CR is exactly what he claims, gave up a bad guy, and gave us some information we can use. Kiling him reduces titan numbers despite his alliance with us. Again, not a bad thing necessarily.

[DaddyTorgo]

why should you believe me?

because i'm playing damm near my best villager game ever.

path, ardent, Racer. Nailed them all. I was all over all of them, early and often and relentlessly.

[DaddyTorgo]

Let's look at CR a little closer. He can be one of three things:

Bad Titan: If a bad titan, must have one other around to have killed today while stoned. Why give up bad guy titan after seer points finger at Lathum? Just let them duke it out for two days. Fed us information that he already knew while using AP to off people. After being reminded regarding Poseidon, we could be faciung two evil titans, and CR is hiding in the open.

Medua: Clever with the stone yourself trick. If so, killing is not a bad thing per se, but gets us away from the enemy.

Good Titan - CR is exactly what he claims, gave up a bad guy, and gave us some information we can use. Kiling him reduces titan numbers despite his alliance with us. Again, not a bad thing necessarily.

good titans don't count against our victory

[Abe Sargent]

anxiety - I tend to believe you, if only because of telle's mentioning of bloodlust and cronin's verification of things
neon - claims to be achilles (another bodyguard type). only vouching is through Render (IIRC, correct me if wrong) and telle saying achilles is in the game
chief rum - was stoned. Claims he isn't medusa despite evidence to the contrary. Claims to be a good titan
cronin - I believe he's a beautiful chica. Likely aphrodite as he has claimed. Possibly medusa with a hat (tongue in cheek).
myself - I trust 100%
telle - scanned by RA. confirmed scanned by RA but with some weirdness early in the game.

I think what we're looking at at this point is medusa working along with the last titan to try to obscure things well.

my guess: neon + telle

neon's vouched for by telle claiming achilles is in the game, which makes it very convienent that neon can claim to be achilles. For this reason I would say that telle is likely the last titan, as the titan would have the knowledge of what roles are or are not in the game (as we have hypothesized).

Both of them have actions that are "self-contained" by the nature of what they have told us, that is they cannot be verified by others.

VOTE TELLE

You, me and cronin are olympians. I buy that. We have left:

Medusa + olympian + evil titan

OR

Medusa + 2 evil titans

OR

Medusa + good titan + evil titan

Only three places they can be hiding.

Scenario One means that either telle or NC are the ET (one ET cannot be CR - he was stoned and cannot kill). Scenario 2 means at least one is a guaranteed ET. Scenario 3 means at least one is ET.

In either of the three possible scenarios, of telle and NC, one must be a wolf


Why are we believing NC again

I bounced NC's ability to DT. If he were the wolf, wou'dn't DT be dead?

Ergo, I vote telle.

[Abe Sargent]

good titans don't count against our victory

From teh rules:

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Victory Conditions:
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Titans: You will win the game if you eliminate Zeus, Hades, Poseidon from the game as well as have a 1:1 Titan to Olympian ratio. Note: this does include Titans that are sympathetic to the Olympians cause as a Titan in this ratio.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Nightfall

My vote aint moving. The more I talk, the more I want to vote telle.

[Neon_Chaos]

DT is the only guy I trust. I voted for path12, and I was willing to vote for either Racer or ardent.

Right now, it's between Telle and Anxiety for me. I believe that Telle fucked Raiders' scans up.

Vote Telle.

[Telle]

Well.. I was scanned by the seer. And none of my visions have been wrong. And it was you Anxiety that had a reason as to why the Titans don't know the roles. I voted for AE, but so did Racer and they were doing some weird Titan vs. Titan thing so I know that doesn't buy me much. Since the first couple of days when I just wasn't around much I have been very active in all the discussion and trying to come up with theories along with everyone else.

[DaddyTorgo]

but if you bounced his ability to me and he was medusa wouldn't I be stone? Or else Neon didn't use his medusa-powers last night...

anxiety - can you give us a rundown of how many times your "bounce" has "succeeded" this game? i'm wondering if it's not more self-contained then it has seemed to be...

[DaddyTorgo]

I like the thinking that it's telle + someone else as medusa, and telle is the titan. My vote's not moving either at least not until after I sleep on it.

[Neon_Chaos]

On the other hand, I never got a PM from AlanT about any bouncing or attempt to bounce.

[Telle]

but if you bounced his ability to me and he was medusa wouldn't I be stone? Or else Neon didn't use his medusa-powers last night...

anxiety - can you give us a rundown of how many times your "bounce" has "succeeded" this game? i'm wondering if it's not more self-contained then it has seemed to be...

Well Neon DID know that Anxiety was going to be redirecting his ability.. so he very well could have just chosen to not do his action at all. And do we have any idea if a wolf night kill would actually be redirected like a power would be?

And do we have anyone other than Chief (who we ALL see as being suspect at one level or another) who can vouch for Anxiety redirecting their ability? It seems that he moved my vote.. but that doesn't actually prove that he is who he says he is.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting...

[Abe Sargent]

but if you bounced his ability to me and he was medusa wouldn't I be stone? Or else Neon didn't use his medusa-powers last night...

anxiety - can you give us a rundown of how many times your "bounce" has "succeeded" this game? i'm wondering if it's not more self-contained then it has seemed to be...

Medusa had not been used every night in this game, but at least one day in between ech use.

I'm saying NC could be either medusa, olympain, or ET under any of the three scenarios, but NC + telle have to have at least one ET under all three scenarios.

I used it night one, Lathum on Barkeep. That would have resulted in BK getting guarded, so good job on that ;) (i'm lucky)

Night two on hoopsguy, and I forgot who I targetted. Didn;t work.

Night three I used it on Lathm to guard himself, I thought htat was what he was signaling int eh thread. Stopped by cronin.

Night four I used it on CR to go to hoopsguy. hoops had died. CR claimed he got results about hoops role. There is always going to be a lingering suspicion that CR killed or stoned hoops.

Night 5 I used it to hop telle's vote. You saw that result.

Night 6 I used it to hop NC to guard DT. Apparently that didn;t work, although I dont get evidence as to what their ability is. I assume that a wolf would have to use their action to kill, so would be misdirected to kill as per my command. DT did not die, ergo I do not suspect NC killed.

Given that I do not suspect that, telle must be the wolf, and is the best vote.

By the way, I need to submit an action. Should I hop telle's vote to herself, or put in a misdireciton order on a suspect?

[Abe Sargent]

Well Neon DID know that Anxiety was going to be redirecting his ability.. so he very well could have just chosen to not do his action at all. And do we have any idea if a wolf night kill would actually be redirected like a power would be?

And do we have anyone other than Chief (who we ALL see as being suspect at one level or another) who can vouch for Anxiety redirecting their ability? It seems that he moved my vote.. but that doesn't actually prove that he is who he says he is.

This is the flaw in yoru argument. If Neon put in no order at all, how is it that there was a kill at all? Who put it in? A second wolf? Who would that be? CR was stoned. That leaves you as the only possible second wolf (barring myself, cronin, and DT obviosly, but i agree with DT's operating premise that we three are olympian godss)

[Telle]

So basically there's nobody around now that can say anything about your ability other than someone who most likely is a monster. And being able to move a vote could be just as likely a Titan ability as an Olympian.

[Abe Sargent]

To submit this further

If there are two titans:

CR and telle can both be wolves. tell submitted the kill last night.

telle and NC can both be wolves, telle submitted the kill last night

CR and NC cannot both be wolves, CR was stoned and NC was directed elsewhere.

Ergo, assuming we are facing two welves, telle has to be a wolf.

If we are facing one wolf, is not CR. That leaves telle or NC. Again, I bounced NC, so it is telle.

[Telle]

This is the flaw in yoru argument. If Neon put in no order at all, how is it that there was a kill at all? Who put it in? A second wolf? Who would that be? CR was stoned. That leaves you as the only possible second wolf (barring myself, cronin, and DT obviosly, but i agree with DT's operating premise that we three are olympian godss)

Did you read the second sentence? We don't know if a wolf kill action works the same as a role ability. For all we know he could have put in a kill order but no role action, and the kill action wouldn't have been transferred.

[Telle]

To submit this further

If there are two titans:

CR and telle can both be wolves. tell submitted the kill last night.

telle and NC can both be wolves, telle submitted the kill last night

CR and NC cannot both be wolves, CR was stoned and NC was directed elsewhere.

Ergo, assuming we are facing two welves, telle has to be a wolf.

If we are facing one wolf, is not CR. That leaves telle or NC. Again, I bounced NC, so it is telle.

Convenient that you leave yourself entirely out of the equation.

[Abe Sargent]

I am the only perosn 100% sure about.

[Neon_Chaos]

I will go by the fact that I never received any PM whatsoever.

To me, it was between Telle and Anxiety. And Telle wasn't able to put her vote in during the early deadline day. Anxiety did.

Unvote Telle
Vote Anxiety

Five points.

[DaddyTorgo]

To submit this further

If there are two titans:

CR and telle can both be wolves. tell submitted the kill last night.

telle and NC can both be wolves, telle submitted the kill last night

CR and NC cannot both be wolves, CR was stoned and NC was directed elsewhere.

Ergo, assuming we are facing two welves, telle has to be a wolf.

If we are facing one wolf, is not CR. That leaves telle or NC. Again, I bounced NC, so it is telle.

telle is correct anxiety. You do leave yourself out of the equation in all those scenarios.

[DaddyTorgo]

did others receive PM's when their actions were "bounced" ?

[Telle]

I received a PM when my vote was moved.

[Neon_Chaos]

AlanT's game system is flawed if you "attempted" to change my actions, and I received no PM.

[Abe Sargent]

CR said he did. Lathum never said one way or the other, but he was visited by cronin that night, so I don;t know if it got that far.

[Abe Sargent]

Did you read the second sentence? We don't know if a wolf kill action works the same as a role ability. For all we know he could have put in a kill order but no role action, and the kill action wouldn't have been transferred.

Are you wondering if kill actions are not subject to the same rules as role actions? I wouldn;t know, but I don;t think there is anyreason to beleive so. For example, this rule from AlanT seems to indicate that they are the same, and come fromt eh same AP pool

"Likewise a player may choose to use further action points to strengthen their actions as well. A night kill action with 4 APs used will overwhelm a Bodyguard action with only 2 APs used for instance. In the case of actions conflicting with one another, a winning action will not always completely negate the losing action, but it will have the favorable outcome. ie: the bodyguard action listed above may fail, but they may be able to recognise who the assailant was."

[Telle]

Are you wondering if kill actions are not subject to the same rules as role actions? I wouldn;t know, but I don;t think there is anyreason to beleive so. For example, this rule from AlanT seems to indicate that they are the same, and come fromt eh same AP pool

"Likewise a player may choose to use further action points to strengthen their actions as well. A night kill action with 4 APs used will overwhelm a Bodyguard action with only 2 APs used for instance. In the case of actions conflicting with one another, a winning action will not always completely negate the losing action, but it will have the favorable outcome. ie: the bodyguard action listed above may fail, but they may be able to recognise who the assailant was."

I don't think it's entirely clear.. but at this point I'm much more likely to believe that you're the last Titan over Neon anyways.

[Neon_Chaos]

CR said he did. Lathum never said one way or the other, but he was visited by cronin that night, so I don;t know if it got that far.

Chief Rum served Racer to us on a platter. I believe he is who he says he is.

I trust DT. DT says he trusts cronin.

If cronin is not medusa, then either Telle or you are. Since you are pushing for the Telle vote, I am assuming Telle is medusa and you are the titan.

I am Achilles. I voted for path. I pushed for voting Racer, and eventually voted ardent.

My voting record speaks for myself.

[Abe Sargent]

I will go by the fact that I never received any PM whatsoever.

To me, it was between Telle and Anxiety. And Telle wasn't able to put her vote in during the early deadline day. Anxiety did.

Unvote Telle
Vote Anxiety

Five points.


I object to that line of reasoning. Vote for me because you cant decide, vote for me because I asnt scanned by RA, whatever. But that's a real life thing. I placed all of my votes last week early because I was out during the evening and rarely around during vote time. That's real life, not WW. Make your vote about the game.



I never lie about rl stuff in a ww game. That's my credo, so here you go. I was intending to be out for the night so I voted early. Period.

Make your vote in game.

[Telle]

Ok, I REALLY need to get to bed. If anything else comes up I'll address it in the morning.

[Abe Sargent]

I'll leave teh thread while I am still cool and calm.

[Neon_Chaos]

I object to that line of reasoning. Vote for me because you cant decide, vote for me because I asnt scanned by RA, whatever. But that's a real life thing. I placed all of my votes last week early because I was out during the evening and rarely around during vote time. That's real life, not WW. Make your vote about the game.



I never lie about rl stuff in a ww game. That's my credo, so here you go. I was intending to be out for the night so I voted early. Period.

Make your vote in game.

For the record, I never considered whatever your reasons were for putting that vote in early. I never mix rl with ww.

I am voting for in-game reasons. Like hoopsguy said, Hyperion was more or less the reason for the early deadline. I am assuming he gave the heads up to all the Titans.

Telle wasn't able to vote. You were.

[Neon_Chaos]

I never brought up anything about your reasons for putting your vote in, Anxiety, so don't make it personal.

[Abe Sargent]

I never brought up anything about your reasons for putting your vote in, Anxiety, so don't make it personal.

I know, so I am telling you my reasons now, since you seem to indicate they were for in game reasons, I am now telling you no, go bark somewhere else.

[Abe Sargent]

I'll leave teh thread while I am still cool and calm.

Note that unlike some famous WWers who are dead, I usually know when to LEAVE THE THREAD ;)

[st.cronin]

I submitted my night action to block Arlington Colt's actions, in the event that he did not get lynched. So, nothing happened with me last night.

I see its between Anxiety and Telle. I'll check back in tomorrow and see if i can figure it out.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, interesting day to say the least. Not sure what to make of it, and not sure I trust any one of you either. I'll think on it some.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am likely to be away all day again tomorrow (although I won't be stoned this time--umm, you know what I mean...), so I need to put in a vote right now. I may or may not be able to change it, and I want something in place just in case.

This is tough, because I can see both sides. In the end, what matters to me is that RA was who he said he was, and he felt good about Telle. Plus, I know her role is in the game, and her abilities just sound like they are what they should be. Finally, she (and I) were definitely on the block to get lynched on the early deadline day. I just don't see the Titans ending that day there with her life on the line.

And while I acknowledge I was forced to use my ability on hoops, I was never told who nor told it was an Olympian/good guy that did it. I have to guess Anxiety did use his ability on me, considering he was waiting for me to respond the night he did it. But that doesn't clear him--just gives him an abilitly. I suspect we are being led around by a mastermind here, a wolf who has used his "forcing" ability to great effect.

So while if I get back on tomorrow before deadline and am able to change for good reason, I will. But at this time, I have to go with Anxiety.

VOTE ANXIETY

[Abe Sargent]

When a player dies, they often see the game clearly, not bounded by the individual roles and how they color their eyes. All of the now dead olympains see the obvious: I am Ares.

telle was cleared by a seer who was twice wrong, that's not much. Her ability allows her to plant information while also killing, with no proof that she is using it, or using her Ap to kill. If I am misdirecting, i must not have many AP left to kill, right?

My abilties also make sense for my role, so there's no raeson to go with telle over me on that score. You also know my role is in teh game, so why even bring that up? In fact, since you are the ONLY ONE who knows these roles, why aren;t you convinced that I am not a titan?


Hold on a second.

Folks, let's look at CR a bit more closer here.

He claims that he has proof that both my role and telle's role are IN THE GAME. So why vote for me? If CR is not lying, then why would he vote for me? In fact, CR, if you have scanned for every role, then shouldn;t you know by now which of the remaining player sis not in the game?

But you don't, do you?

By your own admission, you have scanned for Ares, yet here you are voting.

Unvote Telle
Vote Chief Rum

I ask that my brethern join me in this vote.

Remember that CR is a titan that counts in the titan win condition, even if he ends up good, so his death today could give us a tomorrow. No other death would give us a tomorrow - we either lynch a titan and win, or lynch a god and die.

CR has contradicted himself, let's use this to our advantage.

[Abe Sargent]

Barring two evil titans and killing one today, that would be the only other scenario taht keeps the game going.

[Abe Sargent]

In fact, I have used the CR knows Ares is in teh game defense on several occasions. If CR was in error, why not speak up then? Why move a vote off me in teh final waning moments of a major vote where I am under teh gun?

Only one of two reasons, you knew Ares was int eh game, which you claimed, so then why vote for me now?

Or, you are trying to end the game immediately by following the lynch patterns and jumping on me.

You just erred CR.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry, missed this. Yes, I can.

On Day One, I decided it was most important to see what Titans were in the game. I actually assumed Cronus was in the game, so I didn't query him. Turned out to be smart because path died that day anyway.

I queried the next four on Alan's list on page one: Coeus, Crius, Hyperion and Atlas. All but Crius came back positive. I only used 1 AP on my vote.

I figured there were four Titans, so seeing path come up Cronus means the three remaining Titans were Coeus, Hyperion and Atlas.

On Day Two, I attempted four queries again, but got nothing back because of King Triton. For some reason, him showing up blew my action points all to hell.

On Day Three, I queried Achilles, Ares, Hephaestus and Asclepius, all some of the reveals that had happened. All came back positive, which means I had new trust in those players claiming those roles, so long as they weren't countered.

On Day Four, tonight, most of my role requests were usurped to query hoops' role. I only had one point left, and Alan used it on the first role I listed: Odysseus.

You'll note the clearing of Ares here.

[Abe Sargent]

My guess is that when I redirected you at hoops, you really did kill him. Despite the poorly worded pm to the contrary, I am now convinced that you are an evil titan.

[Neon_Chaos]

You'll note the clearing of Ares here. Caught in a lie.

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Chief Rum

Five Points.

[DaddyTorgo]

Chief Rum is not the evil titan. I maintain that Chief Rum is Medusa.

Triton's horn affected CR's action points by his own admission. Triton's horn should only affect monsters according to the information that I received (specifically said "not titans, olympians, or humans).

This is why I am certain CR is Medusa (unless there was a error in my PM, in which case a correction of that by Alan would be nice before we get too late into the day, because that's a huge assumption i am making based on the information i was given).

If CR is Medusa then his whole list of who is in the game becomes suspect.

***although wait***

CR claims that only on one day were his actions affected by Triton. And according to my knowledge, it should have affected him for 2 days. So perhaps he is covering something up there?

For me it boils down to Anxiety vs. Telle at the moment. I'd be curious to look at what Anxiety and Telle claim to have done when Triton was around.

I find is curious that Anxiety is pushing so hard at CR. Let's remember that we have TWO bad people in the game, Medusa + Titan, although they likely cannot coordinate.

I need to think on this a lot more today.

[Neon_Chaos]

Unvote ChiefRum

I am so confused. I vote where you vote, DT.

[Telle]

Not that I mind the vote of confidence Neon.. but I feel that I should point out that I did not miss a vote. The day of the early deadline I put my votes in on Schmidty early, and maxed them out, because I wasn't sure I'd be able to get on again after leaving work. Although I'm still not sure how I didn't end up lynched myself.. as I was certain that the way RendeR was gunning for me he would have bumped up his votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

you see what i mean though Neon?

That's why I've been onto Chief as Medusa since he said that. If Triton's horn affected him then either he's Medusa or Alan made an error and should correct it so we are working from correct information.

Could Anxiety be the last titan and be pushing us towards Medusa? Could be. I'd honestly more suspect that he'd try to push us towards an Olympian in order to maximize the damage done, but maybe this way he figures he can buy another day by delivering Medusa?

[DaddyTorgo]

Both Telle and Chief Rum are claiming to have the ability to basically...figure out what roles are in the game. How did we not see this before?

Chief was stone...he can't be the last Titan. Anxiety knew that last night, he said that last night. So now why is he so sure that Chief is the last Titan? And Chief admitted it, he said "Anxiety must have forced me to use my action on myself." - thus admitting that his action was turning himself to stone.

this last titan that's left...what sort of powers would he have? would he have the ability to "bounce" things like that?

It's either Anxiety playing a very good wolf game, or Telle playing out of her mind as a wolf.

[Telle]

you see what i mean though Neon?

That's why I've been onto Chief as Medusa since he said that. If Triton's horn affected him then either he's Medusa or Alan made an error and should correct it so we are working from correct information.

Could Anxiety be the last titan and be pushing us towards Medusa? Could be. I'd honestly more suspect that he'd try to push us towards an Olympian in order to maximize the damage done, but maybe this way he figures he can buy another day by delivering Medusa?

Well Anxiety was first trying to push the vote towards me. Looks like when he saw that that was starting to fail he decided to try to push it towards Chief instead since lynching Medusa would be better than getting lynched himself.

For what it's worth, I never bought Chief's story and have figured that he was Medusa since his reveal. I noticed that he was claiming a similar ability as mine, but didn't really think much of it 'cause his whole story seemed full of shit so that was just a piece of it.

[Neon_Chaos]

On thing that bugs me... Chief Rum delivered us Racer, though.

[Neon_Chaos]

*One thing

[Telle]

On thing that bugs me... Chief Rum delivered us Racer, though.

Yeah I haven't been able to figure that out myself. He's a monster so we have no idea what his victory condition is.. so it may have been something he needed to do or may have been a move to gain trust. Then the question is, does he know who the Titans are, or does he have some mechanism that allows him to find out, or did he just make an educated guess? I was hammering at him pretty hard after his reveal.. so it could have been a desperate move to get the spotlight off of himself.

[Telle]

Oh and I thought I already put my vote in but it looks like I didn't actually do so..

VOTE ANXIETY

[Telle]

Vote count as of 2324:

Telle - 1 - DaddyTorgy (2266)
Anxiety - 2 - Chief Rum (2308), Telle (2324)
Chief Rum - 1 - Anxiety (2309)

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE TELLE

[DaddyTorgo]

still need to think

[Neon_Chaos]

DT, where do you think st.cronin stands? Are you sure that he is good?

[Abe Sargent]

Both Telle and Chief Rum are claiming to have the ability to basically...figure out what roles are in the game. How did we not see this before?

Chief was stone...he can't be the last Titan. Anxiety knew that last night, he said that last night. So now why is he so sure that Chief is the last Titan? And Chief admitted it, he said "Anxiety must have forced me to use my action on myself." - thus admitting that his action was turning himself to stone.

this last titan that's left...what sort of powers would he have? would he have the ability to "bounce" things like that?

It's either Anxiety playing a very good wolf game, or Telle playing out of her mind as a wolf.

Because Chief was cauht in a blatent lie, and telle wasn;t. I'm switching gears for that simple reason.

Am I still suspicious of telle? Absolutely. But I never know what game mechanics are running around out there. I assume that a stoned character couldn't act while stoned, but what if they can, and the stoning just lass during the day. What if CR has anacomplice but is the evil titan I know beleive him to be. Let's ferret that titan out tomorrow and nail CR right now.

And maybe there is no medusa in the game, but as a titan, CR can control medusa as an ability. That chanegs all of our math.

I never know what rules are behind that game and how they change some of my operating assumoptions, but I know that I caught CR in a lie. That's where we should push.

[Abe Sargent]

On thing that bugs me... Chief Rum delivered us Racer, though.

The wolves have been very ballsy out here this game. The AE/Racer fight was pretty good. Why do no think they would not continue, especially if there were three wolves left as some of you suspect.

[Abe Sargent]

We should have figured this out sooner, CR has "cleared" all of our roles in the thread. He should have just laid low and shut up and he wouldn't have tweaked my radar.

[st.cronin]

I do like the evidence Anxiety has brought out against Chief Rum. That CR gave us Racer doesn't sway me much in his favor - Racer was not taken out by CR, and was not really a lynch candidate that day, so it could have been a safe, smart play for a wolf to make.

What bugs me, though, is the kill of RA. I think that points at Telle more than anybody else. CR was, presumably, stoned at the time, and not capable of killing anybody. I don't know that for sure, and maybe somebody can clear that up if I'm wrong.

VOTE TELLE

I'm not 100% on this.

[Telle]

Why do you feel that the kill of RA points to me?

[st.cronin]

Because far and away the most likely target for his scan last night was Anxiety, but if Anxiety is a Titan, after two bad scans in a row, who cares? If I were Anxiety I would have let him scan me, and just voted for him if he came out guns blazing. Heck, after AC came up good, we were probably going to lynch RA today no matter what he said.

[Telle]

But if I was the Titan, then what reason would I have for killing him either? Wouldn't it be better for me to keep messing with his scans.. or not, to then really screw with him? Killing him wouldn't give me any more advantage as a Titan either.

[st.cronin]

But if I was the Titan, then what reason would I have for killing him either? Wouldn't it be better for me to keep messing with his scans.. or not, to then really screw with him? Killing him wouldn't give me any more advantage as a Titan either.

Since he cleared you, and you vouched for him, and it was possibly going to be RA vs. Telle today - killing him and having him revealed as good should presumably make you a bit more trusted.

I realize it's a weird play no matter how you slice it, it just to me makes NO sense for Anxiety to have done it, but a little sense if it was you.

[Neon_Chaos]

st.cronin, are you still able to block one persons' votes?

[Abe Sargent]

If I were a Titan I would have killed DT and then given NC a lie about my ability not working instead of the truth I told him last night.

[Telle]

Yeah but since twice as many of his scans that weren't me were wrong than were right, him coming up good doesn't buy me as much trust as it otherwise would. But I can see your point that I did theoretically benefit in some small way by his death.

[Telle]

If I were a Titan I would have killed DT and then given NC a lie about my ability not working instead of the truth I told him last night.

Except you need more than just DT's kill to win. And if he ended up dead last night then we REALLY would have been on you today. So a safer bet would be for you to take down one other Olympian first, and then kill DT tonight for the win.

[Abe Sargent]

My first vote today would have been RA. Fool me once, won;t fool me again sorta thing.

[st.cronin]

st.cronin, are you still able to block one persons' votes?

Yes.

[DaddyTorgo]

no killing me please.

[Telle]

no killing me please.

Well if we don't manage to get the Titan with this lynch then you're likely dead tonight and then the game's over and we lose.

[DaddyTorgo]

i don't wanna lose.

i've played such a goddamm good game.

path, ardent, racer.

now which of you bastages is the last titan?

[Telle]

Well I think it's Anxiety.. but he says it's me. We all know who you are, and you've vouched for st.cronin. Chief has got to be Medusa, even if he won't admit it. And there's an outside chance on Neon, but nobody else has claimed to be Achilles so I think it's very unlikely to be him.

[Neon_Chaos]

I am going to reitirate that ArlingtonColt was the most useless player for this game, just for giving up.

[Abe Sargent]

I am going to reitirate that ArlingtonColt was the most useless player for this game, just for giving up.

I'd prefer you to stop beating this horse.

[RendeR]

I know I'm dead and all but I have to second Anxiety here. Stop with the rudeness level NC, make your point a little more diplomaticly.

Yes I fully understand the weight of the irony involved here.

[Neon_Chaos]

I know I'm dead and all but I have to second Anxiety here. Stop with the rudeness level NC, make your point a little more diplomaticly.

Yes I fully understand the weight of the irony involved here.

:D

[RendeR]

;)

[Neon_Chaos]

;)

I actually haven't even started. But that is for post-game discussion. :cool:

[st.cronin]

What I am thinking about doing is blocking the actions of whoever the best alternate for whoever we come up with is. Right now the candidates are CR, Anxiety, and Telle.

If we pick wrong, and I can guess right on our #2 choice, we might get a second chance tomorrow.

Although I'm not sure about the order of operations, I think this will work.

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin - had you not visited me and crippled my actions for today too i would have had another kid to send to visit you who could have doubled your AP's!

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin - had you not visited me and crippled my actions for today too i would have had another kid to send to visit you who could have doubled your AP's!

[Neon_Chaos]

If DT is right about his hunch on Chief Rum being Medusa, then block Chief Rum's actions.

[st.cronin]

If DT is right about his hunch on Chief Rum being Medusa, then block Chief Rum's actions.

That doesn't make any sense. If we don't lynch the Titan, I need to block the Titan.

[Neon_Chaos]

That doesn't make any sense. If we don't lynch the Titan, I need to block the Titan.

Then we need to consolidate our votes today. I'm not going to make the deadline tonight. Do we lynch Anxiety or Telle?

[st.cronin]

Well, I'm voting for Telle. But I'm also waiting to hear from Chief - I could move my vote on him.

[DaddyTorgo]

and alan PM's me to say that i have my full 5 AP's

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin: you will have 4 AP's from me if you can use them as well to block i assume

[DaddyTorgo]

maybe block telle AND Anxiety?

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...pegasus is on his way over to cronin

[Telle]

okay...pegasus is on his way over to cronin

Wow.. you got all the neatest toys :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Damn. How powerful are you, DT? Pretty strong Poseidon semen.

[st.cronin]

I can't block more than one person.

[Abe Sargent]

I can't block more than one person.

Yeah, but now you can put 5 points into it which should override a 4 point defense or block.

[DaddyTorgo]

i am uber-powerful!!

more powerful than either of my brothers I dare say.

[DaddyTorgo]

i still can't figure out which way to vote. i'm going to have to put some thought into this later.

kudos to the titan that's left. played a hell of a game.

[Telle]

Is it just me or is this day totally dragging?

[Telle]

Well I'm going to be leaving work in ten minutes or so. I don't know if I'll be able to get on again this evening.. I'm taking the kids to the trick-or-treat in the mall thing, and then I have decorations to put up and pumpkins to carve.

I really think Anxiety's our best bet at this point. Hopefully lynching him tonight will bring this game to a quick and happy end :)

[Neon_Chaos]

I am leaving in an hour or so, and might not make the deadline. So....

Telle or Anxiety....

[Abe Sargent]

Well I'm going to be leaving work in ten minutes or so. I don't know if I'll be able to get on again this evening.. I'm taking the kids to the trick-or-treat in the mall thing, and then I have decorations to put up and pumpkins to carve.

I really think Anxiety's our best bet at this point. Hopefully lynching him tonight will bring this game to a quick and happy end :)

It will be quick if they have two left.

I can't believe that we caught CR in a blatent lie and you aren't voting him! What more do you want?

[Neon_Chaos]

Ugh. Have to make a decision.

Vote Telle

Full 4 points.

[st.cronin]

Abe, how could CR have killed RA if he was a statue? That seems impossible to me.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe, how could CR have killed RA if he was a statue? That seems impossible to me.

I conceeded tell's point that a second ww would be around since Poseidon being around would prevent them from winning.

Also, I beleive the mecahnic works as you describe, but at the end of the day, we are just making assumptions about game mecahnics that we have n oknlwedge of.

What I do know is that I caught him. That; I know.

[Abe Sargent]

No game since the extravagance that was Rome has had as many posts.

[RendeR]

Would never have gotten close to this many posts had they not crushed me like used tissue.

Bastards.

[Telle]

It will be quick if they have two left.

I can't believe that we caught CR in a blatent lie and you aren't voting him! What more do you want?

It's been obvious that CR's been lying left and right since his reveal. It astounds me that anybody has believed him at all. But the problem is that he's Medusa and killing him doesn't do anything to help us. Although the fact that you keep pushing a vote on him to distract from voting for you is just further proof that you are the last Titan!

[DaddyTorgo]

Anxiety or Telle...Anxiety or Telle.

wondering if Neon will make it back in time...

[DaddyTorgo]

bah

[st.cronin]

bah

That's a good point.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm fucking confused. For the first time all game I feel like i don't have a strong feeling.

chief rum is medusa, this I know for sure.
i'm relatively sure that cronin is aphrodite (95%) or so
Neon has figured out who I was for a long time and I'm comfortable with him as achilles I think (90% or so?)
Anxiety has been vouched for by telle saying that his role is in the game, and the countless discussions of "bloodlust." Although could the bloodlust be a titan-thing?
telle has been vouched for by RA to some degree, although his scans after scanning her haven't been models of perfection. other than this she has kept pretty much to herself I'd say, without a lot of crossing-over

the more and more I think about it

VOTE TELLE

[Abe Sargent]

Might as well move my vote to telle since nothing is happening with CR.

Unvote CR
Vote telle

[Alan T]

Deadline

[Alan T]

I have the following for final votes. If this is incorrect, someone tell me while I prepare PMs

Telle - St.Cronin (2332), Neon_Chaos (2374), DaddyTorgo (2383), Anxiety (2384)
Anxiety - Chief Rum (2308), Telle (2324)

[Telle]

Gah.. I JUST got my son to sleep. So, am I dead?

[Telle]

i'm fucking confused. For the first time all game I feel like i don't have a strong feeling.

chief rum is medusa, this I know for sure.
i'm relatively sure that cronin is aphrodite (95%) or so
Neon has figured out who I was for a long time and I'm comfortable with him as achilles I think (90% or so?)
Anxiety has been vouched for by telle saying that his role is in the game, and the countless discussions of "bloodlust." Although could the bloodlust be a titan-thing?
telle has been vouched for by RA to some degree, although his scans after scanning her haven't been models of perfection. other than this she has kept pretty much to herself I'd say, without a lot of crossing-over

the more and more I think about it

VOTE TELLE




And it doesn't really matter now.. but I never said that Anxiety's role was in the game. All I had on him was that my vote was moved because I got "very very angry" and Lathum.

[Alan T]

You once again gather to discuss who the final Titan(s) might be. The day results in Telle and Anxiety pointing fingers at each other with a few comments concerning who Chief Rum really is. Finally the sun sets without a solid consensus among the people in the room..

It is no time after the sun has set before Uranus shows up once again. He looks at Telle and states,"I think you have caused enough trouble here.. Coeus, it is time to face your punishment." With a snap of his fingers, Telle/Coeus's head explodes and the rest of the body slumps to the floor. Telle has been lynched, she was Coeus a Titan!

Immediately after that, Uranus looks over at Chief Rum and says to him,"Be gone vile snake, I do believe that you won't find any further sympathy here among these people. Away with you Medusa!" Chief Rum changes forms and you all look away quickly to avoid being petrified. Before you look back, you find that Chief Rum/Medusa has slithered out the door.

Uranus then turns to Neon Chaos and says to him,"I do feel that you may find these Olympians in your debt for your service here the past week. Your reward shall be invulnerability! You shall not be able to be killed by any blow to your body other than the very tip of your heel. Now go back to your people and live a full life and enjoy all of the riches you deserve."

Uranus looks over at DaddyTorgo,"With your brother Zeus no longer with us, you are now not only in charge of the seas and the underworld, but all of the Heavens and Olympians shall look to your lead Poseidan." He points over to St.Cronin and Anxiety before continuing,"With the help of Ares and Aphrodite, you shall lead a new generation of Olympians to rule all of time."

Uranus turns and departs, leaving you the feeling that this might be the last you see of him. He has handed the rule of the heavens over and now that the Titans are no longer a threat, you expect things to become much easier for you.

Olympians win! Along with the Olympians winning, Lathum and Neon_Chaos both win as well.

[Abe Sargent]

WHoot!

[Alan T]

Thanks to everyone for playing, I hope you enjoyed the game.. this was actually my first "big" game that I ever wrote, and have been hesitant to run it for a very long time. As you can see it was quite crazy in some of the roles and powers.. the balancing of it was very nervewracking... In the end I feel it was fairly well balanced but still had the possibility of swinging either way quickly with key plays being made. The Titans in this game made some really great plays but balanced it with some really poor (in my opinion) plays, which in the end led us to a final day which could have gone either way.

Thanks again to everyone for playing, I hope you had as much fun as I had.

[Abe Sargent]

I bounced telle's vote onto herself, btw

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks AlanT

[Abe Sargent]

The early sun thing was brillant. Its nice to know that i HAVEN"T seen it all yet

[st.cronin]

Oh yeah.

[st.cronin]

Who did the early deadline, and what were the rules about that?

[Telle]

So was anyone even around in the last hour? Would I have even had an opportunity to try and plead my case and swing the vote if I had let my son stay up way too late instead of spending the hour putting him to bed?

[Abe Sargent]

I was around, and not with me you wouldn't.

Remember, I was of teh mind that if CR was a bad guy, you were the other one.

[Telle]

Who did the early deadline, and what were the rules about that?

Racer did it. Ten minutes for each AP. He also had a one-time ability to make the day end at 4pm, but it would have revealed him

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and Raiders Army is officially the worst seer ever. Im surprised we even won this game with him false pointing to titans twice and clearing a titan.

[Alan T]

Full player list:

1) Render - 13 Hermes
2) Barkeep - 8 Zeus
3) Chief Rum - 5 Medusa
4) PurdueBrad - 11 Hera
5) St.Cronin - 14 Aphrodite
6) Neon_Chaos - 7 Achilles
7) Lathum - 6 Heracles
8) ntndeacon - 16 Dionysus
9) ArlingtonColt - 17 Hephaestus
10) Passacaglia - 15 Athena
11) Telle - 2 Coeus
12) Hoopsguy - 9 Hades
13) Path12 - 1 Cronus
14) Anxiety - 12 Ares
15) Ardent_Enthusiast - 3 Atlas
16) Racer - 4 Hyperion
17) DaddyTorgo - 10 Poseidon
18) Raiders Army - 18 Apollo
19) Schmidty - 19 Minotaur

I got alot of PMs from people commenting about things they really liked, and then other PMs from other people commenting on the very same things stating they didn't like them :) It seems like a few of the game mechanics or roles were very polarizing, but the one thing I do appreciate is that no one let it become the center or focus of the game. Everyone for the most part expressed their approval or disapproval in private.. and I would encourage people to speak more about that now in the post game. :)

One of the very common comments was about various powers being overpowered.. but that was part of the purpose of alot of the abilities.. At what point are things overpowered, when alot of people on both sides are overpowered? There were some very very powerful roles in this game for both sides, but there were alot of counters for roles out there too.. Heracles countering Atlas, Coeus countering Apollo, various roles being able to manipulate other people's actions, etc...

There were some very fun nights, including one night where Cronin almost blocked the night kill but changed it with like 5 minutes to spare.. On the flip side some of the cooler roles really had a hard time getting anything going (such as Hades being incapacitated for over half of the game, or the bodyguard getting people messing with him for half of the game)..

I'm open for comments or questions from people too :)

[DaddyTorgo]

OMG....how great was my game this time around? OMG

[Telle]

Well I needed the vote on you Anxiety (since I didn't have a prayer of getting it on Neon or DT).. and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have convinced you to vote for yourself :)

[st.cronin]

I was around. I don't think you could have moved me - Chief could have convinced me to vote for somebody else (most likely him) if he had posted anything, but not you.

[Racer]

The early sun thing was brillant. Its nice to know that i HAVEN"T seen it all yet

I actually had the ability to make the sun set at 4 pm once during the game at the expense of being outed as the person doing it.

[RendeR]

So was anyone even around in the last hour? Would I have even had an opportunity to try and plead my case and swing the vote if I had let my son stay up way too late instead of spending the hour putting him to bed?


No, you wouldn't have been able to change anything.

[st.cronin]

What was up with RA's scans, anyway?

[Telle]

Oh, and Raiders Army is officially the worst seer ever. Im surprised we even won this game with him false pointing to titans twice and clearing a titan.

When he scanned me, his Oracle became clouded and thus gave him false readings. And this was a hidden ability.. I didn't know it would happen until it did.

[Abe Sargent]

I was on teh block a lot this game, and I'm amazed that I am still standing at the end. Thanks to my fellow olympians for never doing me in, and to my vote bouncing power as well, at full 4 ap bounce.

[Alan T]

Oh, and Raiders Army is officially the worst seer ever. Im surprised we even won this game with him false pointing to titans twice and clearing a titan.


That was Coeus affecting him. Alot of the roles had abilities that specifically targeted other players. For instance if the Minotaur or Medusa had targeted Cronus (Path) accidentally with their action, they would not have become a titan, but would have gained PM communications with them. Likewise if Apollo scanned Coeus, his vision would go dark and all scans would come reverse for the rest of the game. He also would receive a darker and darker PM message each time regardless of who he scanned to give him the idea that something was wrong (but not spelling it out for him.. so he had to interpret it).. it started with the scan of Telle where he was told she appeared as an Olympian, but he felt sick.. then Lathum he was told of something dark and sinister and Lathum was a Titan, etc...

If Raiders had been kept alive longer, he would have gotten worse and worse to the point of having visions of his own death, etc.

[Neon_Chaos]

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKKKK YEAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!

[Neon_Chaos]

*High Five DT*

We kicked ass this game. :)

[Alan T]

Who did the early deadline, and what were the rules about that?


Hyperion (Racer) had the ability to manipulate time with his AP.. only 10-40 minutes each day if he chose, but its one of those things that once it was used once, people would expect it and it would lose it's potency most likely.. also if used wrong it could have been disasterous for the Titans. He also had the ability to one time per game have the day end anytime after 4pm EST, but it would announce him using the power as Hyperion and have given him away (similar to a power Barkeep had as the Duke which would have revealed him as Zeus to everyone)

[DaddyTorgo]

telle - you wouldn't have had a chance with me once I made up my mind around 8pm.

but FYI...for your first game (that I can recall) as a wolf, you played out of your mind...wonderful

[Alan T]

Day 1:

Path = Lynched
Neon = petrified
Barkeep = scanned by PurdueBrad/ scanned by Raiders Army
Lathum = Force to use action on barkeep / Blocked from actions by Cronin
Passacaglia = intoxicated by ntndeacon/ killed by Racer
Ardent = protected by himself
Hoopsguy = kidnapped by Schmidty

Day 2:

Ntndeacon = lynched
Chief Rum = nullified by Triton
Schmidty = nullified by Triton
DaddyTorgo = scanned by PurdueBrad
Barkeep = blocked by Cronin/ killed by Ardent
Lathum = protects himself
Anxiety = fails to force hoopsguy
Telle = Scanned by Raiders (immune)

Day 3:

Anxiety - Seduced by Cronin to protect him
Lathum - forced to use protect action on himself
Render - killed by Ardent

Day 4:


Cronin = Entices Lathum to protect him
Lathum = guards Cronin
Chief = petrifies purduebrad
Telle - Scan block Chief RUm
Anxiety - forces Chief Rum to use power on Hoopsguy
Racer - kill Hoopsguy
Hoopsguy - petrified/dead
Raiders Army - Scan Lathum

Day 5:


Lathum - dies by the lynch
Chief RUm - petrified
Purdue Brad - killed by Telle
St.cronin - blocks DT's vote/action
Arlingtoncolt - penalized for no vote / scanned by RA
Telle - kills Purduebrad
Anxiety - forced Telle's vote
Raiders Army - Scans Arlingtoncolt

[Telle]

Hyperion (Racer) had the ability to manipulate time with his AP.. only 10-40 minutes each day if he chose, but its one of those things that once it was used once, people would expect it and it would lose it's potency most likely.. also if used wrong it could have been disasterous for the Titans. He also had the ability to one time per game have the day end anytime after 4pm EST, but it would announce him using the power as Hyperion and have given him away (similar to a power Barkeep had as the Duke which would have revealed him as Zeus to everyone)

Almost was. I seriously thought I was lynched that day. He sent in his PM but then wasn't around to make sure none of us were on the chopping block and have the chance to cancel it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Telle - I just came back from dinner. And, I don't know... if you had made a serious case, I would have probably moved my votes.

I basically thought that if it RA's scans started screwing up after scanning you, I felt that you were probably a bad guy. :)

[Alan T]

It would have taken alot for Telle to not be lynched. Anxiety had forced Telle to vote for herself, and Cronin had nullified Chief Rum's votes.. Basically Anxiety got 0 votes as it was.

[st.cronin]

How did Chief become petrified?

[Telle]

When Apollo scanned me I was told that he did, that I showed as an Olympian, that the Oracle would now be clouded and give false results, and that he would know that something wasn't right with the scan. So I immediately started on working on a story.. and came up with the medicine/drugs/vision thing. I figured I could try and make a case that him scanning me when I was high on the vision drugs messed him up.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alan T, care explaining how Anxiety's powers didn't work on me?

[Neon_Chaos]

Telle, when I vouched for you, did you think I was Achilles then?

[Alan T]

Speaking of votes, Path's death on day 1 was by one AP.. and Telle didn't submit a PM that day so only had 1 AP used for a vote. a Simple 4 vote AP pm and instead of Path dying, it would have been Barkeep (Zeus).. To balance that bad luck for the bad guys out, they got Passacaglia day one whom had a more powerful role than Apollo.. As Athena he was the Soothsayer, and could scan up to 8 words a day (every day). It was limited by AP however 1 AP = 2 words, 2 AP = 4 words, etc.. and there were some very tight restrictions on what or how he could scan..

Some balances in the game.. the bad guys all were given a hint that a soothsayer was in the game by a statement from me at the start that they should be careful of their words to speak the truth. (It didn't stop them from making alot of lies though in the game). Also the bad guys did start with the full list of what roles were in the game to prevent a mass reveal plan.

[Telle]

No I thought you were Apollo.. until Raiders said he was Apollo and then I figured you had to be Achilles.

[Alan T]

How did Chief become petrified?

He asked if he could petrify himself.. After thinking about it some, in Clash of the Titans medusa petrifies herself by seeing herself on the reflection from Perseus' shield.. so I decided it was a creative play and to let him. He looked into a puddle of water and petrified himself from that.

[Telle]

Gah! I swear I DID submit a PM and put one extra vote to help path.. but then when I went and looked through my submitted PMs later it wasn't there. I still don't know what the hell I did.

[Alan T]

Alan T, care explaining how Anxiety's powers didn't work on me?

Your initial PM clearly said that your power was usable on yourself. There was no action for Anxiety to force you to use on someone else. In cases like that, it came back as a non-action.. Anxiety was told he focused on it, but nothing ever happened and you received no PM.

[st.cronin]

I think this was my best game as a villager, although I was actually pretty confused for most of the game.

[Alan T]

Telle, when I vouched for you, did you think I was Achilles then?

One of the thoughts I had with your role.. (You were a human whom the bad guys didnt care about killing, and no ability to protect anyone other than yourself) was the possibility to false reveal as a more powerful olympian instead to try to lure them to night kill you.

That didn't happen this game, but for a while I thought you might try to fake reveal as Poseidon to try to use your power to its fullest

[Neon_Chaos]

I actually had it set in my mind that Chief Rum was bad just about before he turned into stone. :)

He flubbed his reveal.

Hecatonchires
----
Briareus (The Vigorous)
Cottus (The furious)
Gyes (The Big limbed)

Hecatonchires were the classification of giants... the names underneath would be the name of the giant he should have revealed as. I thought he was a Titan.

But then DT came out and said he was probably Medusa, so I went with the one guy who was basically with me every step of the way the entire game. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

One of the thoughts I had with your role.. (You were a human whom the bad guys didnt care about killing, and no ability to protect anyone other than yourself) was the possibility to false reveal as a more powerful olympian instead to try to lure them to night kill you.

That didn't happen this game, but for a while I thought you might try to fake reveal as Poseidon to try to use your power to its fullest

I thought about it. Dropped the hint about the fishies. :) But then hoops was all over my case. I nixed it.

I did have hoops down as Hades on day 1... I thought he used the helmet of invisibility. Even left him a "so, how was the river Styx?" message on AIM. :) I figured if pushed hoops enough to create some friction, the Titans would leave him alone... of course, the Titans kills him that very night.

[Alan T]

I thought about it. Dropped the hint about the fishies. :) But then hoops was all over my case. I nixed it.

I did have hoops down as Hades on day 1... I thought he used the helmet of invisibility. Even left him a "so, how was the river Styx?" message on AIM. :) I figured if pushed hoops enough to create some friction, the Titans would leave him alone... of course, the Titans kills him that very night.

I felt bad for Hoops.. I liked the Hades role more than I think he did.. Hades had the ability to communicate with the dead every day. Ie: your Seer dies before giving a trust list, Hades could talk to him the following day only to get that information from him. THis game Hoops was kept in check alot of it though due to being stone one day, penalized one day thanks to Hyperion and then dead. Such ashame I thought!

[st.cronin]

This was my role pm:

You are the beautiful Aphrodite, one of the Olympians. Your victory lies with the other Olympians and must defeat the TItans to acheive the win.

Aphrodite - Each day you may use your beauty to distract another player from their actions. You have the following options each day for your action:

-Seduce a vote from another player to be used as you wish.
-Seduce protection from another player if their role has an action that allows them to protect you.
-Distract them for the day, preventing them from using their role/action (including their vote.)

In each case, you must use as many action points as the player you are targeting in order to be successful in your seduction. Regardless of failure or success, they will find out who seduced/tried to seduce them.

I pointed out to Alan, I actually have this same ability in real life!

[Poli]

I was frustrated. I wanted to be a quiet villager. Instead, I was a bad guy. I thought I'd just be a quiet bad guy, willing to just...die, without talking.

But then path died. I couldn't leave the squad with essentially just two members...so I tried to take a more active role.

[Neon_Chaos]

But I loved the fact that I couldn't be night-killed (if i used 4 points), and I could play as "out there" as I could without holding my cards close to my chest... since if i got lynched, it wouldn't be much a blow to the Olympians.

[Thomkal]

Yay Olympians and good try Titans! T'was fun to sit back and try to figure it out without all the stress of participating. :)

Interesting enough the one Titan I was dead sure of was the last one you got-Telle. Suspicious of her from day 1 when she was the last to vote-knew the Titans would try to save Path unlike a regular day 1 since there was different rules in place there. I wasn't really buying her potions power description, and then how it conveniently gave the good guys no information after a while. Thought the biggest tip off was RA's "sickly" view of her and then subsequent misdirected views. Plus Render was suspicious of her. :) But wanted to say good job Telle you fooled them for a long time.

To balance that good sleuthing though, I was pretty certain Lathum was a Titan too given his late vote on day 1 and call to not vote Path out on that day. And the fact that the Titans didn't take him out. Was suspicious of Cronin because he was supporting Lathum. Ardent was a surprise, as was his activity on the day he was lynched. Was somewhat suspicious of Racer, and his death before deadline had to be my favorite moment from the game. Kudos to DT for the great play there. Then seeing the reactions of all the players to the early deadline. That'll teach ya to hold onto your votes now. ;)

Great job Alan with the theme and moderating what had to be a challenging game at times with all those powers. Guess I'll have to play a game now since I hung out for this one. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Question:

Why did Chief Rum sell Racer up the river? :) Or was that a gross mistake of him not knowing who Racer was? :)

[Racer]

Question:

Why did Chief Rum sell Racer up the river? :) Or was that a gross mistake of him not knowing who Racer was? :)

I have no idea. I don't think he was told who the Titans were though and we weren't told who he was. He must have been given the master list of roles though.

[Alan T]

Question:

Why did Chief Rum sell Racer up the river? :) Or was that a gross mistake of him not knowing who Racer was? :)

I was wondering the same thing. Chief won with the Titans... When i saw that play, I really had no idea what he was doing.. since I felt both Racer and Telle had some trust and were in the driver seat there.. I would be curious to hear Chief's insight on that one :)

[Alan T]

I have no idea. I don't think he was told who the Titans were though and we weren't told who he was. He must have been given the master list of roles though.

He was given the same list you were.. so he did know Odysseus was not in the game.. and I would have to have assumed that he would have known from the Ardent vs Racer show down over Odysseus your side... I think this is something only Chief can answer :)

[Poli]

I decided that it was a better move to keep Racer and his ability in the game rather than my own. The double reveal was a plan racer and I came up with to try and provide some separation.

I have no clue why CR did what he did, considering in the end he lost.

[Telle]

Yeah when I learned that he was a monster I was just going to leave him be figuring he might be trying to help us.. but then when he outed Racer I had to jump on him to discredit him in hopes that people would then ignore what he said.

[Alan T]

I decided that it was a better move to keep Racer and his ability in the game rather than my own. The double reveal was a plan racer and I came up with to try and provide some separation.

I have no clue why CR did what he did, considering in the end he lost.

Your role would have been pretty valuable if you had blocked Aphrodite or a kill attempt from DT.. or if a weapon had entered the game giving someone a kill ability. It would have given you a block, plus possibly some trust if you were viewed as a bodyguard

[Neon_Chaos]

*dead horse beating*

ArlingtonColt

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

:rolleyes:

[Poli]

We thought of doing a nightkill/block combo...with me not being able to see my attacker...but that fell to the side with Path.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think this was pretty much my best villager game ever.

from putting my 5 on path on d1, to sniffing out ardent and throwing a ton of evidence out there against him and somewhat leading that, to taking a shot at racer (which btw I agonized on all day between racer and anxiety...ask alan how many times I switched before coming to a decision), to finally puzzling out the whole telle-thing at a couple various points (i think I had a post last night / this AM that basically said the same thing I said at the end when I voted).

i'm honestly surprised that the titan's didn't knock me off earlier when there were few roles left and I had already started to garner a lot of trust.

especially considering that I had 4 days worth of pretty powerful powers to use and I didn't really put any effort into a fake reveal

but still...telle...hell of a game there at the end. You had me really digging and wracking my brain to try to figure it out.

[Telle]

Your role would have been pretty valuable if you had blocked Aphrodite or a kill attempt from DT.. or if a weapon had entered the game giving someone a kill ability. It would have given you a block, plus possibly some trust if you were viewed as a bodyguard

If st.cronin had tried to use him to guard himself, would he have shown as a bodyguard?

[Poli]

That sniff was lame. You'd have been wrong in any other game as I would have said the exact same thing.

But then again, I'm sure we'd never hear about you sniffing out a villager.

[Telle]

Well we were trying to find Poseidon.. and I didn't realize that you were him until close to the end when EVERYBODY did, and so then I had to worry about you being guarded.

[Telle]

And thanks.. but it's hard not to just feel like I failed, since we lost and all.

[Thomkal]

Oh, so what would have ArlingtonColt's weapon done?

[Alan T]

If st.cronin had tried to use him to guard himself, would he have shown as a bodyguard?

Yes, if Cronin had seduced Ardent to protect him, he would have succeeded.. Ardent was a bodyguard, just a Titan bodyguard.

[DaddyTorgo]

neon - we were actually hoping you would fake-reveal as poseidon. Although at that point we thought you might be a titan, so that might have actually wound up forcing you to reveal

neon - chief didn't sell racer up the river really. I was debating between the two and (to the best of my recollection) made the decision based pretty much on my own gut

[Poli]

You did great, Tell. Neon and RA's confidence in you helped keep you in there for a long time. I really thought you and Racer were buried in some COTs.

[Telle]

And Alan, what was up with having all that stuff in the rules about good Titans but then not having any good Titans in the game?

[st.cronin]

I thought Telle played a great game, except for the kill of RA. I never would have been on her if it wasn't for that.

[Telle]

You did great, Tell. Neon and RA's confidence in you helped keep you in there for a long time. I really thought you and Racer were buried in some COTs.

Thanks. You should have seen RendeR ranting and raving.. "How do they not see it! How the hell have you gotten so deep into their trust?!??" :)

[Alan T]

Hephaestus - You are the God of smithing. Each day you may fabricate a glorious weapon to be given as a gift to another player. The strength of that weapon will depend on how many action points you choose to spend on forging it. The more action points you spend also will dictate how many days you must use to craft it.

1 Action point = 1 day and a bonus of +1
2 action points = 2 days of spending 2 action points each day, and a bonus of +2
3 action points = 3 days of spending 3 action points each day, and a bonus of +3
4 action points = 4 days of spending 4 action points each day, and a bonus of +4

ArlingtonColt was told that the weapon wouldn't give any new actions, but that was not entirely true. The weapon would basically serve as an instant bodyguard for whomever held it, however it would have a one time ability to perform a kill which would have destroyed the weapon in its entirety. The design was meant to be more intended for defense (instant bodyguard every night the rest of the game), but would provide for flexibility if someone felt it worth it to risk that by attacking with it instead. Only the person receiving the weapon would be told this. ArlingtonColt would not have known.

[Telle]

I thought Telle played a great game, except for the kill of RA. I never would have been on her if it wasn't for that.

That was a last minute switch. I was going to kill Anxiety. But then RA said something about his scan that night should help figure things out.. and I started worrying what if he scans me again and I come up good and how will that be interpreted.. so I switched to him.

[DaddyTorgo]

That sniff was lame. You'd have been wrong in any other game as I would have said the exact same thing.

But then again, I'm sure we'd never hear about you sniffing out a villager.


ardent - I thought we went over this outside of the game. despite my statement in the thread, the feeling I had about you wasn't about that comment. That comment was more to provide...cover to try to keep the attention off of myself from your teammates.

the feeling was something that I guess hoops (he was still alive then right?) and myself had had about you that day and the day before.

in hindsight, knowing what I know now about the RL-situation I wouldn't have said that even if it was just to provide cover.

[Alan T]

And Alan, what was up with having all that stuff in the rules about good Titans but then not having any good Titans in the game?


I had some good titan roles initially written up (as well as many other olympians). I could have gone up to 30ish players if we had that much interest. Alot of what goes into a ruleset isn't only for what roles are out there, but the possibility of what could be out there.. Often people complain that there isn't enough flexibility for fake reveals in games.. so in this game I intended to allow alot of possibility of fake reveals.. Apollo would never know if someone was a good titan or bad titan, just a Titan.. so even if scanned you had wiggleroom possibly.

[Raiders Army]

Man, I feel like I was the worst seer ever...

...wait, did somebody already say that? :)

Anyhow, I didn't trust my scan of Telle which is why I voted for her right after I scanned her. Funny because had Neon never came forward, I would've been reasonably sure that she was a Titan. As it was, it got her into my CoT and then I whiffed on the next two. Lathum I was reasonably sure on, since one was whiff wasn't a big deal (maybe he had some power?), but on the second whiff, I knew something was wrong.

Things would've been a lot different had Neon never vouched for Telle!

[st.cronin]

That was a last minute switch. I was going to kill Anxiety. But then RA said something about his scan that night should help figure things out.. and I started worrying what if he scans me again and I come up good and how will that be interpreted.. so I switched to him.

You should have killed me. I had been quietly supporting Anxiety all game, but hadn't offered anything definitive. Without me around, I think you could have gotten Anxiety lynched, which is what you needed to do.

[Racer]

And thanks.. but it's hard not to just feel like I failed, since we lost and all.

I was really impressed with how my fellow Titans played. Being the first game I played since Alan T's tombstone game last year, I was pretty nervous about saying something that would be a give away. Being a werewolf is definitely harder then being a villager. I had a lot of fun though.

[Raiders Army]

That was a last minute switch. I was going to kill Anxiety. But then RA said something about his scan that night should help figure things out.. and I started worrying what if he scans me again and I come up good and how will that be interpreted.. so I switched to him.

I thought about scanning you, but I scanned Anxiety instead the night I got killed.

[Neon_Chaos]

Man, I feel like I was the worst seer ever...

...wait, did somebody already say that? :)

Anyhow, I didn't trust my scan of Telle which is why I voted for her right after I scanned her. Funny because had Neon never came forward, I would've been reasonably sure that she was a Titan. As it was, it got her into my CoT and then I whiffed on the next two. Lathum I was reasonably sure on, since one was whiff wasn't a big deal (maybe he had some power?), but on the second whiff, I knew something was wrong.

Things would've been a lot different had Neon never vouched for Telle!

Lol. Sorry! :)

[Alan T]

You should have killed me. I had been quietly supporting Anxiety all game, but hadn't offered anything definitive. Without me around, I think you could have gotten Anxiety lynched, which is what you needed to do.

Before the final swing, for a while this morning I thought Telle was going to pull it off. If Anxiety had been lynched, DT would have been killed and Telle would have won.

[Telle]

You should have killed me. I had been quietly supporting Anxiety all game, but hadn't offered anything definitive. Without me around, I think you could have gotten Anxiety lynched, which is what you needed to do.

I wanted to lynch Anxiety because of his plan to team with Neon to protect DT. Turned out that didn't actually work anyways.

[st.cronin]

Alan, if it had been close, I was going to change my action to force Neon to vote for Telle.

[Telle]

I thought about scanning you, but I scanned Anxiety instead the night I got killed.

And then your head exploded :)

[Poli]

I thought Racer and Telle both did a great job...being the first game I ever played with either (that I recall).

I thought I'd have to do a lot of "coaching" but both were very knowledgable and did a great job.

[Poli]

Alan, what was your thought on the double reveal?

[Telle]

Before the final swing, for a while this morning I thought Telle was going to pull it off. If Anxiety had been lynched, DT would have been killed and Telle would have won.

For a while I thought I at least had a shot. When you started to push for voting for Chief I thought I could use that as momentum. Ah well.

[Neon_Chaos]

Great job by Telle and Racer.

HAHAHAHA

I still can't believe we got lucky on path12.

"you were UTR."

"no i wasn't!"

"yes you were."

path12 dies.

AHAHAHAHA.

[Alan T]

I thought Racer and Telle both did a great job...being the first game I ever played with either (that I recall).

I thought I'd have to do a lot of "coaching" but both were very knowledgable and did a great job.

I always do all of my role assignments with random.org. I saw the wolf team and initially wondered how you all would do. But I don't like interfering with how things ended out and I have to say I enjoyed the Titan's play this game (other than Path.. how do you get killed day 1 as a titan???) :) :) :)

[Alan T]

Alan, what was your thought on the double reveal?

I thought it was well done. It seemed obvious to me that the Olympian CoT had become pretty solid and the only people not in it was you two, Chief and AC for the most part. And with the way things went, you two ended up the focus of votes.. so you needed a way to get more trust for one of you and it worked.. until Chief blew it up. :)

[Raiders Army]

Lol. Sorry! :)

No biggie. Just need somebody to lay the blame of my failures, right? It couldn't possibly be myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy fault. :D

[Telle]

I thought Racer and Telle both did a great job...being the first game I ever played with either (that I recall).

I thought I'd have to do a lot of "coaching" but both were very knowledgable and did a great job.

We've played one game together before. I don't remember which.. but it was one of my first two. I thought you were a wolf. Your responses to my accusations were quite hostile. I thought that had to be the actions of a desperate wolf. When you came up a villager I told RendeR something along the lines of "Wow, he wasn't a wolf.. he was just an asshole" :) Had a MUCH better gaming experience with you this time :)

[DaddyTorgo]

AE - I thought the double-reveal was brilliant and very well done.

Quite ballsy too. Cojones like boulders you have sir.

[st.cronin]

Thank you for another wonderful game, Alan. :)

[Poli]

My reveal was supposed to have holes in it for people to blow up.

[path12]

I always do all of my role assignments with random.org. I saw the wolf team and initially wondered how you all would do. But I don't like interfering with how things ended out and I have to say I enjoyed the Titan's play this game (other than Path.. how do you get killed day 1 as a titan???) :) :) :)

Beats the hell out of me. I was gone for three hours, came back and BAM. But I still say to Neon that I didn't play that day 1 any different than I play any other day 1. Sometimes your name just comes up. :(

[Thomkal]

I have to say I like the idea of the players having unknown powers/benefits/side effects like with Arlington's weapon there Alan.

[path12]

Dola, I like to think you would have enjoyed my play a lot had I made it past that first day.

[path12]

One more dolaish post -- I was really sorry I didn't get more time with my fellow Titans. Agree on Telle's game, but once you're down to one bad guy it can get very tough in endgame, especially as more and more reveals come into play.

[Alan T]

I need to head off to bed. I'll check in the morning to answer any other questions that came up.

Thanks again to everyone who played, it was fun watching you all play, and I hope everyone (including those whom hadn't played in a while) sign up for Render's game. I love playing WW games with people other than the same 5-6 people each time. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

great game alan...thanks for hosting

[Telle]

Good game everyone.. it was fun. Well, I don't know about that.. it was seriously stressful.. but I think it was still fun too.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure this has been mentioned yet, but the three head Olympians could chat with each other. So BK/DT/me were talking until we started getting clipped. Of course, I was paranoid about being linked to these players, to the point where I took a pretty big chance on the Day 1 vote. I was ecstatic to watch DT take it home after we were both gone, making the right decision just about every time.

I thought a lot of people on both sides played very well this game. Nice fake reveal by Telle - I think I commented early in the game that if she was doing a fake reveal it was well crafted.

When I died I figured that the Olympians were going to ease into the victory, but then learned that Racer and Telle were the final two Titans and that there was some trust on both at the time. I figured it would go down to the wire and it did, although not in the manner I would have expected.

Alan is right - I didn't enjoy my power much as all as I never got to use it. It was especially cool to have submitted my Day 3 vote at 8:23, which was three minutes after the deadline but before Alan had posted that was the deadline.

Day 1 - no one dead, couldn't use power
Day 2 - kidnapped, couldn't use power
Day 3 - choose between BK and NTN to talk with. NTN had already revealed a bunch of info about his actions and I was chatting with BK. I sent him a question "who would you vote for today?" His answer: either Telle or Racer (Alan can confirm this)
Day 4 - no action thanks to Hyperion

Also, I thought the AE/Racer action was well-conceived. The three people that were in the line of fire on Day 4, after the Hyperion + reveal lists came out were Chief, AE, and Racer. All three were bad guys. That was a very nice spot to be in, but the double Odysseus reveal muddled things for everyone to the point that this was lost as a data point for future days. All is well that ends well, but I was bummed to see this lost from future discussions.

Neon - stop picking fights with me :) Seriously, it seems to be getting trendy to pick fights with me during the day in order to avoid night kills by arousing suspicion from the other villagers. I know BK does this, I know Blade used to do this, and it seems like Lathum does this from time to time. But from where I sit, it is tiring arguing with a rotating group of people from game to game. It is not easy to distinguish villager vs villager instead of villager vs wolf. I almost had DaddyT snuff you with his giant on Day 3 - deadline coming early may have prevented that from taking place.

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, how were you so sure about Telle on Day 3? I never was able to pick up on that? I knew about your role from Day 1 thanks to DT, but was worried that you were trusting the people you contacted a little too much as it didn't seem like you had the ability to distinguish good/bad just by talking with them. So although I trusted you, I didn't fully trust your reads. Looking at them post-mortem, they were spot on.

[Racer]

I need to head off to bed. I'll check in the morning to answer any other questions that came up.

Thanks again to everyone who played, it was fun watching you all play, and I hope everyone (including those whom hadn't played in a while) sign up for Render's game. I love playing WW games with people other than the same 5-6 people each time. :)

I had a blast. I definitely want to play another one soon, but I figure I better wait until after I take the P1-Actuaral Exam at the end of November since I probably need to devote as much as my time as possible to studying for it. Any actuaries play in this game by the way?

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon - stop picking fights with me :) Seriously, it seems to be getting trendy to pick fights with me during the day in order to avoid night kills by arousing suspicion from the other villagers. I know BK does this, I know Blade used to do this, and it seems like Lathum does this from time to time. But from where I sit, it is tiring arguing with a rotating group of people from game to game. It is not easy to distinguish villager vs villager instead of villager vs wolf. I almost had DaddyT snuff you with his giant on Day 3 - deadline coming early may have prevented that from taking place.

Hey, I was only picking a fight with you because I wanted the Titans to think you were on the verge of being in a 1-on-1 lynch situation with me.

:D

[Lathum]

Stop being such a wuss hoops, whats your problem, huh, something wrong?

Wanna take this outside...

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I can't believe you root for a team that doesn't cover against the Dolphins. Seriously, and what kind of poker player gets drawn out on by K9? Oh, and Flogging Molly sucks :eek:

[RendeR]

RendeR, how were you so sure about Telle on Day 3? I never was able to pick up on that? I knew about your role from Day 1 thanks to DT, but was worried that you were trusting the people you contacted a little too much as it didn't seem like you had the ability to distinguish good/bad just by talking with them. So although I trusted you, I didn't fully trust your reads. Looking at them post-mortem, they were spot on.

This game was SO weird for me. I just KNEW, I felt it about every one of them right from day 1.
After I was killed day 3, Alan asked me not to post anything until after day 4, so I assume there was some sort of ressurection possibilty?

After the lynch on night 4 I looked at Telle and Said "You, Racer, Path and either Ardent or Perdue."

I HAD them. and they knew it, which is why they busted me on night 3.

I knew I was being a little too open with my comments. I was desperately trying to drop hinst to get people I had contacted to follow my votes each night but I assume like you, people weren't sure on my reads.

As for exactly HOW I knew? I don't even truly know, I honestly followed my instincts this game right from the get go and for a change I was spot on.

The biggest thing that turned the tide of this game was the night I was killed, we had the early ending and my +3 points of votes on Telle weren't allowed because my PM was posted 3 minutes too late.

I have little doubt with the way that vote happened that if I'd put in that order 3 minutes sooner, Telle would have been lynched on night 3 and the gamewould have ended much sooner.

It was SO frustrating watching you guys fumble and bumble back and forth like a ship with no rudder for 3 days =)

GREAT game Alan. I lovethe rule set and can only hope my games ever come up to 50% of the quality this one did. Truly well well thought out and balanced.

[DaddyTorgo]

fumbling and bumbling was fun though

[Neon_Chaos]

I was exhausted after this game. Ugh. :)

[Chief Rum]

I actually had it set in my mind that Chief Rum was bad just about before he turned into stone. :)

He flubbed his reveal.

Hecatonchires
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Briareus (The Vigorous)
Cottus (The furious)
Gyes (The Big limbed)

Hecatonchires were the classification of giants... the names underneath would be the name of the giant he should have revealed as. I thought he was a Titan.

But then DT came out and said he was probably Medusa, so I went with the one guy who was basically with me every step of the way the entire game. :)

Umm, Neon, I came out as Briareus. Check it out.

[Chief Rum]

Question:

Why did Chief Rum sell Racer up the river? :) Or was that a gross mistake of him not knowing who Racer was? :)

Calculated risk. I did not know who the Titans were, but I did know what Titan roles were in the game. Racer came out against AE claiming Odysseus. I, of course, knew Odysseus wasn't in the game. I also already knew that Telle had lied about her role, as Aclepius wasn't in the game.

I decided that RA and ardent wouldn't make a Titan vs Titan false reveal like that. I was wrong. I think that was a mistake on their part, actually, to fake reveal the same name. From my perspective, I thought Racer had to be an Olympian (probably Poseidon) faking his reveal after AE came up a Titan.

So I thought calling out Racer might nab Poseidon. And if worst case scenario happens (Racer is a Titan), then I gain some trust. But I thought it was a low possibility. Little did I know...Racer/AE, why did you guys make that move?

I spent a lot of the last couple days trying to decide if Neon might be doign a good job hiding as a Titan (meaning Telle was Poseidon in hiding), but generally leaned to Telle being the last Titan.

[Chief Rum]

So basically I screwed up in that I didn't think you guys would make such a ballsy move like that, both claiming the same role. I was trying to not only find Titans, but also Poseidon. And I thought it was too bold a move what Racer and AE did. Like I said, I took a calculated risk that I felt was a logically strong move, but it turned out bad because I underestimated how ballsy AE and Racer would play that.