College Football - Week 9

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Lots of great games on this week's schedule........

#2 Boston College at #8 Virginia Tech
#1 Ohio State at #25 Penn State
#12 USC at #5 Oregon
#9 Kansas at Texas A&M
#11 Florida vs #18 Georgia (Jacksonville, FL)
Mississippi St. at #14 Kentucky
#16 South Carolina at Tennessee
#21 California at #4 Arizona State
#7 West Virginia at Rutgers
#10 South Florida at #23 Connecticut
Iowa State at #13 Missouri
#15 Virginia at North Carolina State
New Mexico State at #17 Hawaii
Nebraska at #19 Texas
Mississippi at #22 Auburn
Minnesota at #20 Michigan


Also, interesting news out of the Big 12. It looks like 6 recruits that verballed to Nebraska will now be decommitting. Players are.....

Blaine Gabbert (5-star QB, likely headed to Missouri)
Will Compton (4-star LB, going to either Missouri or Notre Dame)
Jonas Grey (4-star RB, committed to Notre Dame, #3 RB in the nation)
Bryce Givens (4-star OL, considering a commit to Texas)
DJ Woods (3-star RB, looking at East coast schools)
Darrius Parish (3-star DT, looking at Kansas)

Amazing how quickly that program has fallen under Callahan.

[Lathum]

Me and my dad are going to the Rutgers-WVU game, I can't wait.

[Logan]

Who uses the BCS standings?

Very excited for WVU/RU. It's been about 13 years since we've beat them. Last year's 3 OT game was one of the best of the year.

12PM game = shorter tailgate :(

[Logan]

Me and my dad are going to the Rutgers-WVU game, I can't wait.

Nice score, how'd you get your tix?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Jonas Grey (4-star RB, committed to Notre Dame, #3 RB in the nation)
The ND side of things has Gray (how I've seen it spelled there) as an ND lean after a positive official visit but not committed. The only recent commit was Michael Floyd over the weekend.

[dawgfan]

Don't forget the scintillating tilt between Washington and Arizona...

:(

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, that is, the "lean after positive official" might be mistaken with someone else, but he's definitly not identified as committed yet.

[Blade6119]

From what i gather, none of the players have de-committed yet..i maybe be mistaken, but Gabbert and Compton and those guys are all still NU commits. Their are stories all over about them leaving, and some have taken more visits, but last i checked they were still committed to NU. Until they officially decommit, i wouldnt write them as goners. Some might have already, so excuse me if they have, but i know for sure Gabbert and Compton are still as of now NU verbals.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oops, never mind, turns out you (Mizzou) are more hooked up than I am. Gray has committed to ND.

(And @Blade, Gray was a definite de-commit/ND lean around about Sunday or Monday.)

[Balldog]

I'm quite nervous about Ohio State going to Penn State this weekend, especially since its a night game. Should be a stressful night.

[Dr. Sak]

I'll be at the Penn State game. I was surprised to read that the last time Ohio State lost a regular season game was in 2005 to the Nittany Lions. I hope PSU can do it again on Saturday night.

edit: I heard that DJ Woods might be at the game this weekend checking out PSU.

[larrymcg421]

Don't forget the scintillating tilt between Washington and Arizona...

:(

Washington has really played an insane schedule so far. Even their "easy" game was a long road trip to open the year. It'll be crucial to win several of these upcoming games. There's an outside shot at 7-6, but even 5-8 or 6-7 would be good to build on for next season.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

From what i gather, none of the players have de-committed yet..i maybe be mistaken, but Gabbert and Compton and those guys are all still NU commits. Their are stories all over about them leaving, and some have taken more visits, but last i checked they were still committed to NU. Until they officially decommit, i wouldnt write them as goners. Some might have already, so excuse me if they have, but i know for sure Gabbert and Compton are still as of now NU verbals.

FYI.....none of the info I gave was 'official'. With that said, the NU 2008 class is about to implode. Gabbert is definitely gone. Osborne left a message on Gabbert's phone two days ago and told him to call him back. Gabbert has not called back and NU assumes that he's gone at this point. In addition, Gabbert is actively recruiting NU verbal commits to go to Mizzou at this point. 6 of the NU verbal commits in 2008, including Gabbert, will be at the Mizzou game this weekend.

In addition, Callahan is not even returning calls from recruits over the past two days. It seems to be a matter of when Callahan will be fired, not if.

[RendeR]

I'm worried as well about the Penn State game, but I have faith tha Tressel will continue his bit time night game coaching and pull the team together and get a big win in Happy Valley.

[Blade6119]

Dont be worried about PSU, they have no offense..ive watched them twice, and from what i saw it will be another easy game for OSU.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Go Nittany Lions, Go!

[Mr. Wednesday]

FYI.....none of the info I gave was 'official'.
Gray's commitment to ND has been reported all over the place now including the South Bend Tribune, it's about as "official" as it gets.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Gray's commitment to ND has been reported all over the place now including the South Bend Tribune, it's about as "official" as it gets.

I was referring to the other recruits and their likely decommitment and visits to other schools.

[Blade6119]

Comparing most of the 1-A teams to Simpson's characters, priceless(but a year old)

http://heyjennyslater.blogspot.com/2005/12/letting-no-good-idea-go-unstolen-its.html

[dawgfan]

Washington has really played an insane schedule so far. Even their "easy" game was a long road trip to open the year. It'll be crucial to win several of these upcoming games. There's an outside shot at 7-6, but even 5-8 or 6-7 would be good to build on for next season.
5-8 would mean splitting the remaining games, which are Arizona, Stanford, Oregon State, Cal, WSU and Hawaii. I'd say splitting those is a bare minimum of competence. Winnig 4 or preferably 5 (to be bowl eligible) gives me more confidence that Ty's rebuilding job is progressing at a decent rate.

As for the "insane" schedule, Syracuse is horrible and Boise is mediocre. Ohio State is obviously very good, but the rest of the "tough" schedule is simply Pac-10 games. Yeah, the Pac-10 is especially good this year and the UW got most of the toughest in-conference games front-loaded, but for the UW to return to the top-third of the conference like they were nearly every season under Don James, they need to be good enough to win most of those "tough" games.

It's galling as a lifetime Husky fan to see how far this program has fallen.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Given Ty's so-called recruiting so far (and the rate at which his team has been thwacked in the second half this year), I'm not sure I'd have a great deal of confidence in his rebuilding job.

[dawgfan]

Given Ty's so-called recruiting so far (and the rate at which his team has been thwacked in the second half this year), I'm not sure I'd have a great deal of confidence in his rebuilding job.
I'm neutral at best on Willingham, but it's worth pointing out that when he was at Stanford, he produced more NFL players than any other Pac-10 school.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's very interesting. Even considering that it coincided with a down period for USC, I think there were several other strong programs most years.

[Atocep]

It's galling as a lifetime Husky fan to see how far this program has fallen.

At least Locker makes the games worth watching. The outlook on this program would be especially bad if they hadn't landed him.

Ty seems to have fundamentally sound teams, but he really hasn't proven himself as a major recruiter despite the number of NFL players he produced at Standford. To me he seems like an assistant coach trying to be a head coach.

[dawgfan]

Things in Huskyville would be bleak without Jake. I'm just worried he's never going to have a worthy supporting cast at the UW and have himself a John Elway at Stanford kind of career here.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Blade----

Here's the official announcement. Gabbert has decommitted. Compton is widely expected to follow suit. Also, Baker Steinkuhler (5 star OL from Lincoln, Neb.) is rumored to be wavering. His primary suitor right now is Mizzou if he breaks his commitment. Losing a 5 star linemen from Lincoln, Neb. would be devastating for NU.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/mizzou/story/210BBEBB958CFB318625737F00108502?OpenDocument

Gabbert drops commitment to Nebraska
By Brian Sumers
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/25/2007

Blaine Gabbert, the Parkway West senior and fourth-best high school quarterback in the nation according to rivals.com, has broken his oral commitment to Nebraska.

"With the turmoil and uncertainty of the coaching staff, I felt like I had to revaluate my options," Gabbert said. "I reopen my recruitment as of tonight. I’m open to all schools."

Gabbert had committed to the Cornhuskers in May, but made an unofficial visit to Missouri to watch Saturday’s game between the Tigers and Texas Tech.

He said he has yet to schedule any official visits.

Nebraska, which fired athletics director Steve Pederson last week, has lost three consecutive games.

Interim athletics director Tom Osborne has said he will wait until the season ends to decide whether to retain coach Bill Callahan.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow! Someone spilled the beans as to the current situation at Nebraska. Sounds like Callahan and his staff are asking for double their buyout to leave the program. Also, the recently fired AD was engaged in some questionable practices, but agreed to go away quietly if they stopped investigating the situation. Some slimy stuff here..........

It all started percolating when Paul Meyers resigned from his position
as Associate Athletics Director and chief fundraiser. It was clear that
all was not well in the Osborne Complex, and by all accounts, it was a
situation set to boil over, as Meyers' departure was the last straw for
many in the department, and discontent was now coming out into the open,
with Athletics Director Steve Pederson the primary focus of the unrest.

Following the football team's embarrassing showing at Columbia, I had a
conversation with a friend in Omaha who has always provided solid
information regarding the large-scale Omaha boosters, and was told that
it appeared that Pederson's time was nearing an end, as several
phonecalls between well-monied movers and shakers had been taking place
already. There were far more improprieties and dubious practices going
on in Pederson's office than will ever come out publicly ? far more
egregious things than mere "management style". The grid was being set,
with opinions gauged and resources allocated. Chancellor Perlman was
contacted with the concerns, and began his own investigations

After the same sort of meltdown occurred on the field at Memorial
Stadium the following week, physical meetings between local and expat NU
boosters were held Saturday night and Sunday afternoon, and a
near-consensus was reached, that being that Steve Pederson must not
continue as Nebraska Director of Athletics. Perlman's own investigation
not only corroborated the boosters' concerns, but unearthed several even
more unsavory aspects of Pederson's reign, with Bill DeLeo's shadowy
hiring and even more sinister purpose representing only one of the more
embarrassing bits of evidence in the case for Pederson's ouster. A
particularly prominent booster whose name adorns facilities on NU's
campus met with Perlman through an intermediary, urging him to act
iimmediately. Perlman was informed that such action had these donors'
support, but that failure to act would likely greatly impede fundraising
efforts for several non-athletics projects at UNL. Perlman saw that this
could spill over from Pederson onto his reputation, and armed with his
own findings regarding Pederson, set the dismissal in motion.

I received a call regarding these maneuvers Sunday around 5PM. I called
three other people who I trusted to have relevant information, and they
all corroborated the original account. Two of these sources informed me
that Osborne had been terribly saddened by what he saw in the 2007
players during and after Saturday's game, and that he'd informed these
boosters that he would not stand in the way of their efforts, and would
be open to the possibility of assisting in setting things right as an
interim A.D., pending Nancy's approval.

After talking with all of these sources, and finding that their stories
meshed relatively seamlessly, I posted an account of these happenings on
BHF. It seemed that it all might happen that very evening, but as we all
know now, it did not all break until the following two days. On Monday,
Perlman dismissed Pederson, who took with him a hefty buyout and a
nondisclosure agreement; NU wouldn't look any more deeply into his
questionable practices, and he wouldn't disclose the mechanisms that
brought about his ouster.

On Tuesday, Tom Osborne accepted an open-ended appointment as the
school's Director of Athletics, pledging that no changes in the coaching
staff would originate with him. Perlman echoed this sentiment. It made
perfect sense, as neither man wanted to even remotely repeat the utter
debacle of Steve Pederson's firing of Frank Solich in 2003.

These two events went off exactly as my sources had predicted, delayed
only by the need to have interim arrangements solidified before making
the announcements publicly. The main thrust of the whole Athletics
Director drama that I relayed from my sources was absolutely accurate.

A second aspect of the boosters' efforts on Sunday involved bringing
about coaching changes among the football staff. Overtures were made to
the coaches' representatives, and preliminary discussions were held
regarding the resources needed to fulfill their contracts' buyout
clauses. These also appeared to be imminent as of Sunday night, but few
details emerged as to the substance or direction of the talks and no
agreements were reached that could have been presented to Perlman. Talks
continued Monday, but made no progress, as the situation had become too
unstable for either side to proceed intelligently.

Once Chancellor Perlman announced that he'd defer any decisions
regarding coaching changes, the boosters' tactics shifted toward the
possibility of securing staff "resignations". Once Osborne made it known
on Tuesday, (prior to, and later during his press conference), that he
would not initiate any staff changes, the coaches' representatives
recognized their increased leverage, and dug in.

From Monday through Wednesday, there were comings and goings at the
Osborne Complex, in the Memorial Stadium skyboxes, and in offices in
Omaha and Lincoln that served to muddy the situation considerably.
During this time, I posted regular updates in the private "Champions
Club" forums of BHF. The only continuity was that attempts to bring
about staff changes were underway. Details were harder to come by with
any clarity. Charlie McBride was seen in the Complex, in meetings and at
practices, as were other former NU coaches. The rumor that swept through
the Athletics Department's staff that Callahan was going to resign, and
that McBride would be serving in an interim capacity. This story gained
considerable momentum, and two of the four sources I'd used for the
Pederson/Osborne announcements informed me that they'd heard the same
directly from people in the higher levels of both the public and private
entities involved in all of this. I then talked with a media person and
a former player, before bringing the story to the public "Husker
Football" forum on BHF. Several other Husker boards and local media were
also reporting basically the same story.

Throughout, I warned everyone that if all of these reports were
accurate, then lawyers and agents were deeply involved, and that the
situation was terribly fluid. I think I gave such warnings in virtually
every post, as I never thought that anything would come to public light
until every interim arrangement had been solidified. As one of my
sources told me, all of this would come out in one chunk, not in
bite-sized portions as things progressed.

As Wednesday wore on, it became apparent that any changes would not come
about until after the Texas A&M game. I finally heard from the other two
of my original four sources, who had never chimed in on the coaching
changes/McBride scenario, both of whom asserted that the negotiations to
secure "resignations" were continuing apace, and that the coaches'
representatives were making exorbitant demands in terms of compensation.
Once it had become apparent to these representatives that they were
negotiating a buyout rather than a payout, the demands escalated well
past the payout levels.

Although there was always enough money to meet even these ridiculous
demands, there simply reaches a point of propriety, where negotiations
become extortion, and so things slowed to a snail's pace as Saturday's
game approached. Public sentiment had already turned irrevocably against
the current football staff in the wake of humiliating defeats in the two
prior games.

After yet another blowout loss to the Aggies, public sentiment became
public outcry, and brought further pressure to the situation. The
information I received was that Bill Callahan's representatives were
demanding a package totaling nearly double his payout level of around $3
million, that the targeted assistants were also demanding far more than
their payouts, and that Kevin Cosgrove would follow Callahan's lead,
staying through season's end or leaving following the resignation. It
was further asserted that the assistants not targeted for buyouts,
(Watson, Wyatt, Bush, Jordan, Gilmore, and Rudolph), wanted genuine
opportunities to interview with a new head coach, and would continue
their recruiting efforts with that assurance.

Under Callahan, NU does not practice on Mondays, which seemed to set a
timeline for negotiations to either succeed or fail. From Sunday morning
to Monday night, information slowed to less than a trickle. Two sources
were still confident that an announcement would come on Monday. A
separate source told me that Osborne had not been particularly pleased
with Callahan during their postgame meeting. It started with Callahan
being about 20 minutes late, and reportedly displaying a surly and
defensive attitude before and after.

The negotiations were ongoing throughout. The boosters had met
immediately after the game, reportedly still in one of the skyboxes as
late as 8PM. Counter offers were made in response to the demands made by
the coaches' representatives, in an attempt to pull things back down to
realistic levels. As of Monday, at least 4 different buyout packages had
been proffered by the boosters' representatives, only to be rejected by
those representing the coaches. This morning, I received an e-mail
stating that the intransigence of the coaches' representatives was
finally deemed too much, and that the last offer had been withdrawn. If
any further negotiations were to occur following likely losses at Austin
and Lawrence over the next two weeks, they will have to originate with
the coaches representatives, and will start at the payout levels of the
coaches' contracts, decreasing as time passes. There is a grave mistrust
of the coaches' representation, in that they seem to have acted in less
than good faith during the course of these negotiations.

The general consensus at this juncture is that the University of
Nebraska, the football team, and its fans, are stuck with Bill Callahan,
Kevin Cosgrove, and their band of lesser evils for the remainder of this
dismal football season. Already, several members of the staff's prized
2008 recruiting class ? one of the things that makes some hesitate to
fully support their ouster ? has begun to crumble at the edges, with one
confirmed decommitment and several others who have stated that they're
wavering.

These have been very dark times, and the gloom is deepening. I wanted to
assure all on BHF that my only motivation during the last couple of
weeks was to keep you abreast of ongoing events, relaying information
that came to me only after putting in due diligence to confirm it as
thoroughly as possible. I have acted in good faith in this, and believe
that these friends I have used as sources have, as well. I have issued
words of caution with virtually every announcement, and though many have
chosen to ignore them, I am content that I have fulfilled my side of the
"good faith" bargain.

I am very happy that the predicted events we broke here on BHF on
October 14th regarding Steve Pederson's ouster and Tom Osborne's return
to the fold were proven very accurate in content, if not exact in terms
of timing. BHF was definitely ahead of the curve in breaking the story.
I am also sorry that other revelations regarding coaching changes did
not pan out. All I would offer is that at the heart of these events were
intricate and extensive contractual negotiations, with the interests of
the University, the football team, the boosters, the coaches, and all
the representatives and proxies involved all a swirling chaos that could
not apparently be marshaled into order adequately to bring about a more
palatable and immediate resolution.

With the official and very public standpoints taken by Chancellor
Perlman and Director of Athletics Tom Osborne set up a very stringent
barrier to such a resolution, as they afforded leverage for the coaches'
representatives that they would not have otherwise had. This rendered
the situations painfully fluid, making any definitive information hard
enough to discern for those directly involved, let alone those on the
fringes who were kind enough to keep me informed or their observations
and interpretations. I would hope that no one would be overly surprised
that there was ALWAYS a chance that it would all fall through under such
circumstances. It happens every day in business, and it seems to have
happened in this instance.

[Swaggs]

Wow! Someone spilled the beans as to the current situation at Nebraska. Sounds like Callahan and his staff are asking for double their buyout to leave the program. Also, the recently fired AD was engaged in some questionable practices, but agreed to go away quietly if they stopped investigating the situation. Some slimy stuff here..........

Source?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Source?

It was posted by a lead editor at a Husker premium recruiting site. I should have grabbed the link because I can't find it now. He posted this because he said that Callahan would be gone this week. After board members asked why he wasn't gone yet, he posted this info to explain the whole situation.

[Dr. Sak]

It was posted by a lead editor at a Husker premium recruiting site. I should have grabbed the link because I can't find it now. He posted this because he said that Callahan would be gone this week. After board members asked why he wasn't gone yet, he posted this info to explain the whole situation.

You know what that means...it means someone at the AD's office got wind of it and told the guy he better take that thread down. If not, he won't get any more inside info from the team.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You know what that means...it means someone at the AD's office got wind of it and told the guy he better take that thread down. If not, he won't get any more inside info from the team.

I found it...........

http://nebraska.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=181&tid=103955431&mid=103955431&sid=928&style=2

Also, another Nebraska kid looks like he's gone. Trevor Robinson, the #3 OG in the nation from Omaha, NE, is reportedly going to verbal to Notre Dame. Amazing how quickly this is falling apart.

[JHandley]

It made perfect sense, as neither man wanted to even remotely repeat the utter
debacle of Steve Pederson's firing of Frank Solich in 2003.


I know why I think the Solich firing was a debacle, but I thought the move was applauded by most of NU's fans and boosters?

[miami_fan]

I know why I think the Solich firing was a debacle, but I thought the move was applauded by most of NU's fans and boosters?

Have I mentioned how much I love FOFC archive?:D

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=17747&highlight=Solich

[dawgfan]

There were some valid reasons to dump Solich, but given the context, Nebraska really needed to hit a home run in the hiring of their next coach to avoid looking like idiots. Several rejections and settling for Bill Callahan later, and Pederson has paid for that decision with his job.

The funny thing is, if they'd hired someone that decided to implement the spread option attack popularized by Rodriguez and Meyer, I doubt the transition would've been that jarring for Nebraska's offensive players.

Of course, worse than any issues in transitioning from the Osborne/Solich power option offense to Callahan's version of the West Coast offense has been the downfall of Nebraska's once-vaunted defense.

It's tough to follow a legend, and Nebraska fans were lucky enough that they were one of the few programs to pull it off when Osborne succeeded Devaney.

[Lathum]

Nice score, how'd you get your tix?

one of my best friends works for the team in a very important, close capacity. He even has a ring from the bowl game last year.

[Logan]

You're best friends with Greg Schiano? :)

Saturday should be fun...in a complete mess, apparently.

[Lathum]

You're best friends with Greg Schiano? :)

Saturday should be fun...in a complete mess, apparently.

I just saw that.

My dad is 77, I hope he handles it ok.

[wade moore]

Just turned the BC/VT game on - did Taylor get hurt?

[miami_fan]

High ankle sprain.

[wade moore]

When I went to Blacksburg to watch VT beat up on W&M I was NOT impressed with Taylor at all.

So, I personally don't know if this is a bad thing. But, that was the only game I've watched of their's this season.

[Logan]

I just saw that.

My dad is 77, I hope he handles it ok.

Luckily it's not going to be very cold. I think it's gonna break 70. A good sweatshirt and a poncho (they'll sell some inside the stadium for $5, but you might not want to take the chance of them being sold out and get one somewhere else) and he should be fine.

[Balldog]

A very questionable TD gives Va Tech the lead against BC, 7-0 at the half.

[st.cronin]

Lots of great games on this week's schedule........
New Mexico State at #17 Hawaii


I just realized the Aggies have ALREADY won FOUR games this year. That might be the most amazing stat I've ever seen.

[miami_fan]

Is Bud Foster just waiting for Frank Beamer to retire to take that job? If he is not, I wonder why I never hear about him getting a shot at a head coaching position.

[Logan]

A very questionable TD gives Va Tech the lead against BC, 7-0 at the half.

Questionable? How about so horrendous, the replay booth ref should be fired on the spot?

[Lathum]

Luckily it's not going to be very cold. I think it's gonna break 70. A good sweatshirt and a poncho (they'll sell some inside the stadium for $5, but you might not want to take the chance of them being sold out and get one somewhere else) and he should be fine.

I'm not to worried. We've been going to RU games for a long time including a few where WVU has crushed RU. In the rain.

[wade moore]

Now it's getting a little interesting.

[wade moore]

Hell of a pass/catch to pull within a FG.

[wade moore]

Man, this place is dead. A lot of people missing an entertaining game.

[ISiddiqui]

Beamer is going to kill that VTech special teams player.

[wade moore]

Beamer is going to kill that VTech special teams player.
Yeah, coming up 2 yards to get it - not smart.

[Logan]

I...hate...BC.

[wade moore]

I don't have a dog in this fight, which makes it fun to watch.

[ISiddiqui]

I don't have a dog in this fight, which makes it fun to watch.

Same... they both left the Big East, so I want both to lose ;). But there is something about Matt Ryan that makes me root for him... I'm so weak :(.

But WHAT A THROW by Ryan!!

[ISiddiqui]

This feels like Madden, scrambling around with your QB all over until your WR gets open :D.

[ISiddiqui]

back breaking holding call!!

[SirFozzie]

HOLY SHIT

[ISiddiqui]

:eek: :eek:

Give Ryan the Heisman, RIGHT NOW!

[DeToxRox]

Hokie Hokie .. Huh

[CU Tiger]

WOW!

Did Ryan just move to the top of the Heisman list?

[wade moore]

This feels like Madden, scrambling around with your QB all over until your WR gets open :D.


I don't know that I've seen such an immobile QB run around back there so much.



WHOLY CRAP!

So THIS is why this guy is a Heisman candidate...

[Logan]

Unbelievable. They could walk into the NC game now.

[Noop]

:eek: :eek:

Give Ryan the Heisman, RIGHT NOW!

I agree.

[wade moore]

Those Linemen, even the Freshman they've been doggin' all night, deserve a lot of credit here. They did just enough on all of those plays even though they did get the one holding call.

[SirFozzie]

Unbelievable. They could walk into the NC game now.

No way, they still have Clemson, Miami, FSU, and likely VTech again in the ACC championship game. But I think they proved they belong up here..

[CU Tiger]

Heisman Puke?

Quick collect it and put it on Ebay

[Galaxy]

I think Matt Ryan could be the top quarterback in the draft.

[wade moore]

Nice. They even had AUDIO on the puke.

[Logan]

No way, they still have Clemson, Miami, FSU, and likely VTech again in the ACC championship game. But I think they proved they belong up here..

One slightly above average team, two mediocre teams and then likely a team that they just beat on the road and can't move the ball downfield?

Killer.

[Noop]

No way, they still have Clemson, Miami, FSU, and likely VTech again in the ACC championship game. But I think they proved they belong up here..

Florida State will give them a good game but will not be Boston College. Miami could show up but the chances of that are not good.

[RedKingGold]

I want to have Matt Ryan's children. He's made throws tonight that roughly 2/3 of NFL quarterbacks could not make (out routes across his body on target against the rush). He's simply incredible.

Screw Brian Brohm, if I hold the first overall pick next year, I'm taking Ryan hands down.

[Galaxy]

I want to have Matt Ryan's children. He's made throws tonight that roughly 2/3 of NFL quarterbacks could not make (out routes across his body on target against the rush). He's simply incredible.

Screw Brian Brohm, if I hold the first overall pick next year, I'm taking Ryan hands down.

Not only that, he looks like he's a great leader and has the smarts needed.

[wade moore]

Not only that, he looks like he's a great leader and has the smarts needed.
And he can win the big game even when he is out there puking ;).

[JeeberD]

I just realized the Aggies have ALREADY won FOUR games this year. That might be the most amazing stat I've ever seen.

:(

[Galaril]

One slightly above average team, two mediocre teams and then likely a team that they just beat on the road and can't move the ball downfield?

Killer.

His point was not that it was a killer schedule but that they most likely will get beat at some point still. Though I don't think anyone can easily criticze the ACC teams and their schedules that is a ass tough conference certainly tougher than the Big East:)

[Logan]

His point was not that it was a killer schedule but that they most likely will get beat at some point still. Though I don't think anyone can easily criticze the ACC teams and their schedules that is a ass tough conference certainly tougher than the Big East:)

Any team that has any thoughts of a national championship should easily beat the teams he cited. That's my point.

And no I don't think their schedule is tougher than a BE schedule, adjusted for the amount of teams.

[BishopMVP]

BC would get destroyed at a neutral site by Oklahoma or Florida and lit up by LSU in Newton. I thought VaTech was a disciplined enough team the backside safeties wouldn't cheat up against a non-running QB. I would be pissed if that happened to my flag football team. Great throw(s) by Ryan at the end, but letting a guy get open behind you in the end zone in that situation is inexcusable.

[Butter]

BC would get destroyed at a neutral site by Oklahoma or Florida and lit up by LSU in Newton. I thought VaTech was a disciplined enough team the backside safeties wouldn't cheat up against a non-running QB. I would be pissed if that happened to my flag football team. Great throw(s) by Ryan at the end, but letting a guy get open behind you in the end zone in that situation is inexcusable.

Let's see if BC can survive the rest of their schedule before we worry about whether they should play in the title game against the likes of OU, Fla., or others. How many title games before have come where the supposed weaker team rises up and plays even with the level of their supposedly superior competition.

Either way, that was a hell of a finish last night, and BC is more than worthy to bask in the spotlight of it for at least a week. Great win.

[Swaggs]

Great game to watch, especially with the weather factored in.

There is a very good chance that these two teams could meet again in the ACC title game.

[sooner333]

I can't decide whether BC is the real deal or not yet. In some respects they remind me of 2000 Oklahoma. This would be like OU's game against A&M that year. However, they have not done the things that OU did that season, such as beat three top ten teams in a three game stretch. BC, of course, won't have that opportunity. I'm leaning toward they don't really remind me of Oklahoma just because OU had a better defense, IMO, that let them beat teams that might have been a little more athletic...I'm not sure BC has the tools to do it.

As for Heisman, I'm not ready to annoint Ryan anything right now. He's a heck of a player, but I don't know if he's the best player in the nation. He might win because he's a good quarterback on an undefeated team, but he's not better than Tebow and McFadden. If you're going to use this "led team on comeback" angle to show the necessary talent to win the Heisman, I think you better just wait to see if they go undefeated.

[Wolfpack]

If you're going to use this "led team on comeback" angle to show the necessary talent to win the Heisman, I think you better just wait to see if they go undefeated.

Also, he got the comeback win because he played like crap for 58 minutes. Wonder if anyone will remember that, though.

[sooner333]

Also, he got the comeback win because he played like crap for 58 minutes. Wonder if anyone will remember that, though.

No, probably not. He also had less than 50% completion percentage, people won't remember that either. Yeah, it's raining...great qb's play well in the rain, wind, snow whatever.

[Blade6119]

No, probably not. He also had less than 50% completion percentage, people won't remember that either. Yeah, it's raining...great qb's play well in the rain, wind, snow whatever.

I walked way very unimpressed, and if BC plays OSU in the title game i will consider this year a total joke. I have yet to see anything from either team to justify their ranking above teams like LSU or Oregon.

[SirFozzie]

sheesh, that was a quick TD by Boise St. 2 Runs, 73 yards.

[SirFozzie]

I walked way very unimpressed, and if BC plays OSU in the title game i will consider this year a total joke. I have yet to see anything from either team to justify their ranking above teams like LSU or Oregon.

If LSU or Oregon want to play in the national title game, it's simple. WIN ALL THEIR GAMES.

[Blade6119]

If LSU or Oregon want to play in the national title game, it's simple. WIN ALL THEIR GAMES.

If BC or OSU wants to earn my respect, play teams the caliber LSU and Oregon have played(yes, i realize your from Mass and this argument will never be settled)

[SirFozzie]

VaTech has played both LSU and BC..

and as for Oregon, I think that we're not that far off from playing Houston, Stanford, and the 2-5 Washingtons...

and OSU has the #25 ranked team in the nation, and they still have to play Michigan as well.

BTW, 7-7 now in that WACky WAC game. They're playing Madden football.

[SirFozzie]

14-14. They might score more then the last Boise State game...

Boise State has run for 137 yards already. sick.

[sterlingice]

On KC sports talk today, killing time in a short segment, they were talking about the Big XII schedule this week in the context of a motto. For instance, there's "Judgement Week" and "Separation Saturday" and what not. Some of the ones they were kicking around for this week were "Spend some time with your daughter week" and "One game and a load of crap":

Kansas @ Texas A&M 1.5
Iowa State @ Missouri 24.5
Baylor @ Kansas State 25
Colorado @ Texas Tech 12.5
Nebraska @ Texas 22

SI

[Scoobz0202]

If BC or OSU wants to earn my respect, play teams the caliber LSU and Oregon have played(yes, i realize your from Mass and this argument will never be settled)

Well I responded to your critique of Ohio States schedule in another thread but I don't know if you saw it. But it kind of sucks that the one year Ohio State has a weak non-conference schedule they catch shit for it. At least that will change next year.

They definitely have a national championship defense. They have a great, young, wide receiver core. Chris Wells is a very good running back. Boeckman is leading the Big Ten in efficiency. They have yet to really struggle against a single team. You could say that is because they have yet to play anybody. Yet, I also get the feeling from you that even if they win out that still will not change your mind because we disagree on the strength of their remaining schedule.

[Blade6119]

VaTech has played both LSU and BC..

And what were the scores? If im not mistaken(off hand), LSU won like 49-7 while BC won like 13-10

[Blade6119]

Well I responded to your critique of Ohio States schedule in another thread but I don't know if you saw it. But it kind of sucks that the one year Ohio State has a weak non-conference schedule they catch shit for it. At least that will change next year.

They definitely have a national championship defense. They have a great, young, wide receiver core. Chris Wells is a very good running back. Boeckman is leading the Big Ten in efficiency. They have yet to really struggle against a single team. You could say that is because they have yet to play anybody. Yet, I also get the feeling from you that even if they win out that still will not change your mind because we disagree on the strength of their remaining schedule.
I find it very hard to respect the Big 10 when the 2nd place team is Michigan, who lost to 1-AA Appalachian State. Minnesota's loss to North Dakota State is easier for me to swallow considering the season NDSU is having, but App is not the #1 1-AA team. I watched Wisconsin look incredibly average against citadel and others, watched Penn State's offense look non-existent against a terrible ND defense. I like Indiana and Illinois as improving teams, but i simply will not buy any argument that winning the Big 10 is worth a NT bid. I give OSU big credit for going OOC to tough teams in the past, and that Washington win is much better then they will get credit for(their 2-5, but 4 losses to top 10 teams), but i simply cant say their resume is better then teams who have beaten top 25 teams on a fairly regular basis(some more then others in the top 10).

Dont get me wrong scooby, i don't think my own hometown Arizona State is remotely as good as their ranking indicates. Neither is Kansas or Hawaii(id even say BC, as im not impressed with VT, but some are so ill leave them off). They are all ranked this high based of weak schedules and everyone else tripping up. But can i say i think OSU and BC are better then LSU? No...if you can, so be it. But i can't right now, and i don't see that changing any time soon(i do like the MSU win, and how the play against Illinois will be interesting to me).

I'm sorry if i sound stubborn, but thats my plain assessment right now. You have to give them credit for winning when everyone else is losing, but i still think some teams resume are much more impressive including their losses.

[Chief Rum]

VaTech has played both LSU and BC..

and as for Oregon, I think that we're not that far off from playing Houston, Stanford, and the 2-5 Washingtons...

and OSU has the #25 ranked team in the nation, and they still have to play Michigan as well.

BTW, 7-7 now in that WACky WAC game. They're playing Madden football.

lol...pick the worst games on Oregon's schedule? How about Cal, USC, ASU, Michigan, UCLA? Oh, right, they don't help your argument, so why mention them?

[Balldog]

...but I thought Michigan sucked? This is the shit that drives me nuts, everyone twists the arguments to back them up. One post says the Big Ten is a joke because Michigan is tied first. The next says Michigan is a quality win.

Bottom line, Ohio State and Boston College have both beat the teams they are supposed to beat and those other teams have not. If they would have taken care of their business they wouldn't have a complaint.

[st.cronin]

...but I thought Michigan sucked? This is the shit that drives me nuts, everyone twists the arguments to back them up. One post says the Big Ten is a joke because Michigan is tied first. The next says Michigan is a quality win.

Bottom line, Ohio State and Boston College have both beat the teams they are supposed to beat and those other teams have not. If they would have taken care of their business they wouldn't have a complaint.

+ 1

Plus, winning 13-10 gets you as many notches in the W column as winning 49-0. If you're a gambler, you'll want to know the margin of victory, but otherwise it means nothing.

[miked]

This Rutgers game makes me want to puke. I think I'm watching Buddy Ryan call the plays on offense. Run run run, run run pass, run run run, etc.

[Swaggs]

This Rutgers game makes me want to puke. I think I'm watching Buddy Ryan call the plays on offense. Run run run, run run pass, run run run, etc.

It is fairly interesting. I think they have run Rice on every first and second down. I guess the long-term strategy is to wear down the WVU defense and to keep the injured Teel from throwing the ball too much.

[sooner333]

If you're a gambler, you'll want to know the margin of victory, but otherwise it means nothing.

Why is Missouri ahead of Oklahoma in your poll? Why is Hawaii 15th in your poll if winning is so important? Or does it only matter if Boston College plays bad teams all season until Thursday?

[st.cronin]

Why is Missouri ahead of Oklahoma in your poll? Why is Hawaii 15th in your poll if winning is so important? Or does it only matter if Boston College plays bad teams all season until Thursday?

Missouri lost on the road to a 1 loss team. Oklahoma lost on the road to a .500 team. Their wins are roughly of the same quality, but Oklahoma's loss is clearly worse than Missouri's. I can understand putting Oklahoma ahead of Missouri, that certainly wouldn't require defending. But I think its just as easy to understand why somebody would have Mizzou ahead, as well.

Hawaii is by far the hardest team to rate - I can't decide where to put them, and have moved them on and off my poll all season.

[sooner333]

Missouri lost on the road to a 1 loss team. Oklahoma lost on the road to a .500 team. Their wins are roughly of the same quality, but Oklahoma's loss is clearly worse than Missouri's. I can understand putting Oklahoma ahead of Missouri, that certainly wouldn't require defending. But I think its just as easy to understand why somebody would have Mizzou ahead, as well.

Hawaii is by far the hardest team to rate - I can't decide where to put them, and have moved them on and off my poll all season.

Well, I don't know if I would say "just as easy" since Missouri's better loss happened to be to Oklahoma by more points that would be considered home field advantage. I'm not saying that a loss to Oklahoma is worse than a loss to Colorado, you are right on that. But, I mean, the teams actually played eachother and Oklahoma won by 10, including a trash time touchdown with a few seconds left on the clock by Mizzou. Also, Oklahoma has beaten 4 .500+ teams, Missouri 2. I understand having teams who have won game against another team below that other team. However, usually that happens either when there is a disparity in the number of losses or when the lower ranked team has lost since the matchup.

I don't really have a problem with Hawaii really low as I have them much lower than you do. I was just trying to see what you would say since you seem to value not losing far more than other attributes (which is fair) but have them lower than all of the other unbeatens. Their really bad schedule strength

[sooner333]

Dola -- Oklahoma has also beaten two top 25 teams, Missouri none. So I don't see how wins are "just about equal". Even if you take out the Missouri win (which you don't seem to do, since you count that as Missouri's better loss), OU still has more top 25 wins, which would be at a neutral site.

[st.cronin]

Dola -- Oklahoma has also beaten two top 25 teams, Missouri none. So I don't see how wins are "just about equal". Even if you take out the Missouri win (which you don't seem to do, since you count that as Missouri's better loss), OU still has more top 25 wins, which would be at a neutral site.

Missouri has beaten Ole Miss (on the road), Illinois, Nebraska, and Texas Tech. Oklahoma has beaten Miami, Texas, Missouri, and Iowa State (on the road). I think those are remarkably similar resumes. Oklahoma's is probably a little bit better, but its not a huge margin at all.

[st.cronin]

Boy, Sparty is falling apart... again.

[Blade6119]

OU also just came off a really terrible performance against an equally terrible Iowa State team, and Mizzou just utterly shut down the #1 offense in the nation.

[sooner333]

OU also just came off a really terrible performance against an equally terrible Iowa State team, and Mizzou just utterly shut down the #1 offense in the nation.

I'm not saying OU didn't dissapoint, I dropped them in my poll as well, but it's pretty well established that st. cronin doesn't really take into account style points, so I wanted to see what his thought process could be.

#1 offense looking pretty good at home today against Colorado so far too.

[Blade6119]

Chase Daniel is 11/11 so far against that Iowa State defense by the by, as Mizzou is up 14-0 in the 1st quarter

[st.cronin]

Yeah, the way OU beat ISU means nothing to me, other than that it made for a fun game to watch. A win is a win.

And Sparty ... should maybe consider shutting down their football program. This is apocalyptic!

[sooner333]

Four and out after a huge break for USC. This will be a huge test for SC with a mobile QB facing them (and Dixon has two nice runs as I type this). We'll see if its been smoke and mirrors against the 109th toughest schedule in the country.

[Swaggs]

WVU with a dominating performance on both sides of the ball at Rutgers in terrible weather conditions, 31-3.

We've been really fortunate to be very healthy this season. I think we are set up to do pretty will in conference, with our two toughest road games over with now (at USF and at Rutgers).

[Eaglesfan27]

I always thought the Reggie Bush comparisions were stupid, but McKnight just had a great long TD run. Unfortunately, it was negated by a holding call that wasn't even necessary. As far as Oregon being legit, they've already proven that, but they are doing so again today.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Okay, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Mark Richt ought to be ashamed of himself, and anyone associated with the UGA ought to be ashamed as well. They won't be, but they should.

[MrBug708]

I always thought the Reggie Bush comparisions were stupid, but McKnight just had a great long TD run. Unfortunately, it was negated by a holding call that wasn't even necessary. As far as Oregon being legit, they've already proven that, but they are doing so again today.

Oregon's offense is really, really physical

[GrantDawg]

Okay, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Mark Richt ought to be ashamed of himself, and anyone associated with the UGA ought to be ashamed as well. They won't be, but they should.


I am, for the record. That is one TD in the first quarter. It was definitely planned, and I am sort of surprised they didn't toss Richt. I hope he gets fined.

[st.cronin]

Okay, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Mark Richt ought to be ashamed of himself, and anyone associated with the UGA ought to be ashamed as well. They won't be, but they should.

What happened?

[GrantDawg]

What happened?


After the TD, the whole team rushed the field and celebrated. It was planned, with Richt patting everyone on the back. They gave UGA two personal fouls on it. Then after the extra-point, Urban had his whole team do a jumping celebration on the sidelines. I have to admit that was smart and showed class versus Georgia's crap. I'm really ticked off about it. It will backfire in a game UGA doesn't need a fired up Florida team in.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What happened?

Georgia scored about midway through the 1st quarter on a short run ... and most of the team rushed the field from the sidelines to celebrate in the end zone.

It was a planned thing by Richt, some sort of motivational tool.
And "tool" seems like the appropriate word afterwatching it, especially since Florida just hit a 50ish yd bomb to tie it.

[GrantDawg]

Immediately, Florida scores. We are going to get blown out because of a stupid motivational stunt.

[JonInMiddleGA]

We are going to get blown out because of a stupid motivational stunt.

GD, I appreciate your reaction to this FWIW.

I'm still just flabbergasted by the whole thing. I can't decide whether he's actually that stupid or if maybe he's just a lot more desperate than I imagined. I was already convinced he was overrated (because of being a poor gameday coach) but this was just like ... wow.

And I don't have any idea how he's going to try to reconcile something that was obviously poor sportsmanship (something I think is overrated myself but still matters a lot to some people) with the whole Saint Richt image he's cultivated.

edit to add: That was so bizarrely out of character, it really makes me start to wonder if he already knows he's headed to FSU next year.

[st.cronin]

After the TD, the whole team rushed the field and celebrated. It was planned, with Richt patting everyone on the back. They gave UGA two personal fouls on it. Then after the extra-point, Urban had his whole team do a jumping celebration on the sidelines. I have to admit that was smart and showed class versus Georgia's crap. I'm really ticked off about it. It will backfire in a game UGA doesn't need a fired up Florida team in.

Uh, wow. That sounds incredibly stupid and classless and pathetic.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dola -- Georgia back in front on an 84 yd completion where the receiver got behind a stumbling DB and took off.

And another unsportsmanlike call on UGA after the play (gator chomp by the WR)

[GrantDawg]

Well, here comes momentium back. 84 yard td pass. We need to keep momentium to have any hope.

[GrantDawg]

GD, I appreciate your reaction to this FWIW.

I'm still just flabbergasted by the whole thing. I can't decide whether he's actually that stupid or if maybe he's just a lot more desperate than I imagined. I was already convinced he was overrated (because of being a poor gameday coach) but this was just like ... wow.

And I don't have any idea how he's going to try to reconcile something that was obviously poor sportsmanship (something I think is overrated myself but still matters a lot to some people) with the whole Saint Richt image he's cultivated.

edit to add: That was so bizarrely out of character, it really makes me start to wonder if he already knows he's headed to FSU next year.


What makes no sense is he does that after coming on the field two weeks ago and stopping the team celebrating after the game. That wasn't a planned thing, just an accident that the team ended up on the Vandy symbol after a game winning kick. He's all upset about that, but does something way more classless? Stupid.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And a double facemask on the ensuing KOR !

edit to add: Strange play really. Had an obvious facemask on the tackler, could have had one on the returner that wasn't called. But the second facemask that was called was "after the play", which I don't recall ever hearing before.

[Young Drachma]

17-9 UNLV is up on Wyoming in the third quarter. Wyoming is awful, despite a pretty darn good defense. They need receivers.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Trick play backfires on Florida, already down inside the Georgia 15. Tebow shifts outside to receiver, planning something with a direct snap to RB Moore. Instead it goes over his head & they were lucky to recover. Now 3rd & a bunch after the second sack of Tebow already.

[GrantDawg]

Tebow, meet mister ground.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Great punt, puts UGA around the 2.

Of course, with Florida's secondary, that might just mean a 98 yd pass.

[JonInMiddleGA]

CHOMP !

Play-action from the end zone turns into a pick six for Florida
(and a certain celebration penalty for diving into the end zone)

[GrantDawg]

Great punt, puts UGA around the 2.

Of course, with Florida's secondary, that might just mean a 98 yd pass.


No. Stafford is a guy who just thinks he can throw from his back foot as well as others can throw set. He can't, and it is why he'll never reach his potential unless he grows out of it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

and it is why he'll never reach his potential unless he grows out of it.

Well, I'm happy to say that I've seen nothing from him that indicates maturity is a strong suit ;)

[Toddzilla]

I hope the dude that was pimping UCLA football is watching this game. Nothing compares to SEC football, my friends.

[timmynausea]

UConn is smoking South Florida. They're up 16-0 and driving again.

[Young Drachma]

Another bought off play, brought to you by USC.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oh that's a horrible horseshit fucking call by the officials.
Personal foul on Florida when there's a quick snap & a hidden QB (ducking behind center) takes a knee and gets buried by one alert D-Lineman. There was no whistle, the tacklers view was obscured, but the zebras miss the encroachment that should have been called in order to call the personal foul.

And the next play, almost naturally, is procedure on Georgia ... putting everything back to the 9 where the sequence started. Next play is a cutback for Moreno & it's 21-17 Georgia.

[Eaglesfan27]

Another bought off play, brought to you by USC.

That was a perfectly legit call. He never had possession for it to be a catch.

As far as the SEC comment by Todd, this Oregon-USC game is highly entertaining as well.

[Eaglesfan27]

Speaking of entertaining, Oregon's Dixon just option pitched it.... to a tackle!

[Eaglesfan27]

Sheesh, that was a great run by Stewart to get Oregon a 1st down on 3rd and 14.

[Blade6119]

Kentucky falls to Mississippi State in a not close game

[Eaglesfan27]

USC's offense has been conservative all day. Now with 5 minutes left and down by 14, they had to be aggressive and Sanchez just led a quick long TD drive to pull within 7. About 5 minutes left and the USC defense has played well in the 2nd half.

[Eaglesfan27]

USC was much too conservative at the beginning of this drive and that created a time pressure and that contributed to an interception by Sanchez to end the game. Oregon scared me the most of any team on USC's schedule since the beginning and they earned this win. I think their offense can score against just about anyone and they would do well if they get some breaks to get them to the national championship game.

[MrBug708]

2 PAC-10 losses for USC, not too shabby

[JW]

Way to go, Oregon. Maybe they will feel better about having to wear the ugliest uniforms in NCAA football history. What exactly are those checked kneepads for anyway?

[JHandley]

I was hopeful that USC could pull off an upset, but they just didn't have the horses. I thought they played as well as they could against Oregon.

[MrBug708]

I was hopeful that USC could pull off an upset, but they just didn't have the horses. I thought they played as well as they could against Oregon.

It was terrible clock management IMO

[st.cronin]

What the heck? Nebraska 17-9 over Texas?

[Logan]

WVU with a dominating performance on both sides of the ball at Rutgers in terrible weather conditions, 31-3.

We've been really fortunate to be very healthy this season. I think we are set up to do pretty will in conference, with our two toughest road games over with now (at USF and at Rutgers).

Dominating is the best word to use. We had a ton of dropped passes (when the game was still competitive), the weather probably hurt us more than it did WVU (as our air game is geared more towards longer throws, as opposed to WVU's short pass and get YAC type), and the awful bad luck of one of our punt return blockers getting in the way of the ball gave WVU a short field to work with at 7-3...and all that pales in comparison to how we were dominated. White completed every pass he needed to, Slaton picked up every first down he needed (and then much more), and the defense stepped up when needed.

I came away from this game much more impressed with WVU than I previously was.

[Logan]

Uh, wow. That sounds incredibly stupid and classless and pathetic.

By reading it, I agree that it's all those things...but I still don't get why this was done/what it was supposed to accomplish.

[JeeberD]

Ugh...SMU was hoping for an upset of Tulsa and has been leading all day long. They were up 23-21 with two minutes to go but couldn't punch it in on four tries after first and goal. Tulsa then drives 98 yards in a minute to take a 28-23 lead with 43 seconds left...

[RendeR]

Florida is done, stick a fork in'em.

Dawg's ball with 2 to go and a 12 pt lead.

[RendeR]

Bad day for florida footbal teams it seems. USF just got thunked by UConn....

[RendeR]

By reading it, I agree that it's all those things...but I still don't get why this was done/what it was supposed to accomplish.

Well from watching the game it fired up the UGA players and took the florida players focus of the game and onto out-asshol-ing the georgia players, georgia then basically beat them on the field as they forgot they were there to play footbal.

[Noop]

but I still don't get why this was done/what it was supposed to accomplish.

Victory.

[Blade6119]

2 PAC-10 losses for USC, not too shabby

Weren't you and chief angry at people for kicking UCLA when they were down?

[SirFozzie]

Huge win for Oregon, looking at their schedule, the big game on their schedule is Arizona State next week, if they win that ine, they look to be 11-1, and only need an OSU or BC loss to be in the title game (don't forget, no Pac-10 championship game)

[CU Tiger]

A nice win today for the Tigers. 30-3 when the 2nd string D came in and eventually gave up 14 points.

Running game looked good and D did its job.

Unfortunately, though it hasnt yet been reported, a good friend (and insider) just called me to say that Jacoby Ford, Clemson's deep threat and the NCAA 60 meter champ, is done for the year with a broken bone in his ankle.

Shouldnt need him against Duke, but follow that with Wake, BC and USC....ouch...

[sterlingice]

0-0 at the half with Texas A&M and Kansas. KU has bludgeoned the Aggies so far but has nothing to show for it with a blocked FG, missed FG, and another drive that ended at A&M's 32 with no points. :(

It's one of those games where one team has dominated but the score is close (tied) and that doesn't bode well for KU with so many missed chances. It should be 6-0 at least and more likely 10 or 17 or 21.

SI

[Tigercat]

Random college football future news, there is a VERY VERY good chance Ryan Perrilloux has played his last down for LSU.

He was involved in a bar fight and he or another player had a gun on them and used it(swinging it, not firing it, as if that makes a big difference) to damage property at the scene.

I hope he turns his life around, but he has a long way to go, and at this point I hope he is forced to do it somewhere else.

[Celeval]

Florida State has rolled all over Duke in the first half but with nothing to show for it - one turnover in the red zone, one missed FG, and two made for a 6-0 lead late in the second quarter.

[sterlingice]

Brandon McAnderson! The half forgotten man of the two headed rushing attack for KU!

SI

[sterlingice]

TD! 19-0 KU!

KU just dominating both lines tonight, particularly impressive against Texas A&M's rushing attack.

SI

[Atocep]

Random college football future news, there is a VERY VERY good chance Ryan Perrilloux has played his last down for LSU.

He was involved in a bar fight and he or another player had a gun on them and used it(swinging it, not firing it, as if that makes a big difference) to damage property at the scene.

I hope he turns his life around, but he has a long way to go, and at this point I hope he is forced to do it somewhere else.

Its a shame that immaturity got in the way of his 4 Heismans.

[st.cronin]

The Big XII North is representin'.

[JHandley]

If UW doesn't start getting some talent around Locker, he's going to become a cautionary tale for all future recruiting.

UW loses 48-41 to poor Arizona squad at home.

[st.cronin]

Is Mangino wearing a bathrobe?

[sterlingice]

Is Mangino wearing a bathrobe?

I think it's more of a muumuu

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennessee has managed to turn a 21-0 laugher at halftime into a 21-14 nailbiter versus South Carolina in less than a quarter. It's like they went into the lockeroom & forgot how to tackle or cover or block or call offensive plays. (To clarify, UT led, SC has dominated the 3rd quarter to close the gap).

[st.cronin]

When Mangino talks about fitness or conditioning, how do his players not laugh out loud?

[sterlingice]

He threatens to sit on them? ;)

SI

[sterlingice]

Big man can coach, tho.

SI

[Logan]

Is Mangino wearing a bathrobe?

We have a Coach Mangino and a Coach Mangini. Where the hell is the Coach Mangina?

nopixplzkthx

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Vols are making Blake Mitchell look like the best QB in the country right now.
Blake F'n Mitchell.

Win or lose, the entire UT staff need to be gone at the end of the year.
Tie game, 21-21 with 11:11 left to play in regulation.

With 111,000 in attendance, Fulmer & Co. may not get out of Neyland alive if they complete this collapse. He damn sure ain't gonna outrun anybody, and nobody wearing orange & white is a threat to tackle anybody to protect him.

[Logan]

If anyone is looking for Cal-ASU, I'm getting it on Fox Sports NY (guessing your local one would be showing it).

[Greyroofoo]

Did Maximum football invade foxsports.com?

In the Northern Illinois - Toledo game apparantly there was:
21 total Interceptions
2875 passing yards
2582 rushing yards

[sterlingice]

Finally! After some late game shenanigans, the KU-A&M game is finally over, with KU winning 19-11 in a game that wasn't nearly that close.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Did Maximum football invade foxsports.com?

In the Northern Illinois - Toledo game apparantly there was:
21 total Interceptions
2875 passing yards
2582 rushing yards

But how was the beer tent?

[Big Fo]

Damn, UCLA got beat up today. I was hoping they could defy the odds and win the Pac-10 so that in Norte Dame's worst season in forty years they'd still have beaten a BCS conference champion. Oh well, at least USC lost.

Ugh, South Carolina fumble right when they were close to taking the lead.

[st.cronin]

This just in: Ohio State is good.

[Logan]

This just in: Ohio State is good.

Also in: neither South Carolina nor Tennessee want to win this game.

[RendeR]

This just in: Ohio State is good.


This is the first week that I've watched the game and truly been impressed with them. They get better every wek. if they can keep this quality of play going they're gonna be scary come January.

[st.cronin]

This is the first week that I've watched the game and truly been impressed with them. They get better every wek. if they can keep this quality of play going they're gonna be scary come January.

I've actually been very impressed with them every time I've seen them. They're incredibly well-coached, have plenty of talent at every position, and have schemes that match that talent pretty well. They appear to me to be very focused.

[RendeR]

By the end of every game I've been happy enough with the outcome, but too many times they look confused or out of sync in some segment of the game. Thus far by the second half Tressel has them straightened up and flying right, but this game at Happy Valley has been guns front right from the get go.

They came in to Penn State's back yard and handed them an ass thrashing. I'm hoping they take that attitude with every game they have left.

[Balldog]

Fucking kick coverage.

[JonInMiddleGA]

South Carolina hits field goal with 1:24 left in Knoxville, takes a 24-21 lead.

[st.cronin]

There are some pretty hot girls in the stands at the Vol-Cock game.

[st.cronin]

Holy crap, did Tennessee just get lucky!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow, that was ... auspicious maybe?

Tennessee trying to drive to tie, fumbles & the ball bounces nearly ten yards & the Vols recover downfield to stay alive. And now completes a pass to get inside the 30 but had to take their last timeout with about :30 left.

[Logan]

Is it just me, or did it look like Ainge was trying to pass that ball while being in the grasp?

[JonInMiddleGA]

And for only the third time all year, Ainge gets sacked & turns a 35 yd FG into a 45 yd FG try.

[st.cronin]

LOL @ Tennessee

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah, Ainge was trying to get rid of it.

Meanwhile he shanks the try but it was dead for a procedure call. He'll try again from 48, which would be a career long.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm thinking no way ... WAY !

From 48, the youngster is just inside the upright to tie it at 24.

[Logan]

It would be nice if the announcers acknowledged that the play being blown dead could have contributed to the awful shank.

[Big Fo]

USC - UT so much more exciting than the World Series.

[JonInMiddleGA]

LOL, another Brittany Spears reference.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... what a game in Tennessee. No way I thought South Carolina was going to do anything after that 1st half.

[MizzouRah]

I'm finally going to give Kansas some props. Should be interesting playing them in a few weeks.

We still have a very tough schedule to get through first though.

[Logan]

Pushed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

UT survives after SC misses a 41 yd FG.

Without a doubt, this has to be the absolute worst team to ever lead the SEC East at this point of the season.

[st.cronin]

Yikes, that was a brutal kick. Its hard to believe Tennessee could end up in the SEC title game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Its hard to believe Tennessee could end up in the SEC title game.

Still doesn't seem likely to me. After homecoming vs La-Lafayette next week, it's at home vs Arkansas, home vs Vandy, and at Kentucky.

Considering how many QB's have had literally career days against UT's defense, can you imagine what Woodson might put on the board against them? And yeah, I know how badly they've fallen off in the past couple of weeks but against the UT D, it becomes like the catch phrase the Rock used in the WWE for a while "It doesn't matter how bad we've been"

edit to add: And who knows, Kentucky might be playing for a division title in the last week. If Auburn beats UGA next week, we could still be looking at (I think) as many as four Eastern division teams finishing the conference with three losses.

[MizzouRah]

Since the game wasn't on TV, I didn't know Pig Brown was injured today and is out for the rest of the season. Terrible news for Tiger fans. :(

[st.cronin]

Woah, Arizona State getting butt-raped by the refs here. There is no possible way that can be the right call.

[dawgfan]

If UW doesn't start getting some talent around Locker, he's going to become a cautionary tale for all future recruiting.

UW loses 48-41 to poor Arizona squad at home.
Ty must've felt real bad for all the heat Mike Stoops has been taking and decided to shift some of that heat over to his own seat.

Fucking unbelievable. Just incredibly bad defense this team has shown. At the very least, Defensive Coordinator Kent Baer has to go. I'm holding off on calling for Ty's head, but I'm a very heavy lean currently towards firing him (and the Athletic Director that hired him) at the end of the season.

I'm sick to death of watching what has become of Husky football.

[Leonidas]

This just in: Ohio State is good.Wanna have something else to chew on? The team only starts two seniors; OT Barton and LB Grant. The thought going in was next season would be their year.

[Chief Rum]

Weren't you and chief angry at people for kicking UCLA when they were down?

And I get brought into this...why? Please be careful who you character assassinate for no reason. Thanks.

[Chief Rum]

Damn, UCLA got beat up today. I was hoping they could defy the odds and win the Pac-10 so that in Norte Dame's worst season in forty years they'd still have beaten a BCS conference champion. Oh well, at least USC lost.

Ugh, South Carolina fumble right when they were close to taking the lead.

Technically, if we win out going forward, we could still win the Pac-10, particularly if Oregon or USC beats ASU.

But, don't ask me, I sorta want the team to lose so we can fire Dorrell and go get a real coach.

[SnDvls]

Woah, Arizona State getting butt-raped by the refs here. There is no possible way that can be the right call.

some very bad calls by the refs at the game, but a win is a win...I'm off to bed and getting ready to travel to Oregon for next weeks game.

[Mike1409]

Congrats to Georgia on the win (as a Gator that is hard to say!) We were outplayed and out coached. Way to play 20 yards off the ball on 3rd and 10. I hate all the cute trick plays they try to run, especially when they are driving and have momentum. Why try a reverse on 4th and 2? I am still not sure that Mullin is a good OC in the SEC where the speed and talent is equal.

As far as the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that had to be the most classless thing I have ever seen. I thought at first there was a fight when I saw everyone run on the field. The SEC had better come down hard on Richt and stop any other teams from doing that.

Am I the only one who thinks that they should change the fumble rule and not allow a team to improve their field position on a fumble as in the Tenn? I think the ball should be moved back to the spot of the fumble.

I think Ohio St. looked real good tonight, and I was impressed with ASU and Kansas as well.

[Balldog]

Wanna have something else to chew on? The team only starts two seniors; OT Barton and LB Grant. The thought going in was next season would be their year.

Actually those two seniors are the only seniors on the two deep on both sides of the ball. They'll likely lose a few to the draft though, likely Jenkins and Robiskie. Lauranitis sounds like he plans on staying.

[RendeR]

As far as the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that had to be the most classless thing I have ever seen. I thought at first there was a fight when I saw everyone run on the field. The SEC had better come down hard on Richt and stop any other teams from doing that.




I have to ask...why? They already penalize the team 15 yards (per flag, UGA got 30 on that stunt) I really don't see the classy/classles aspect everyone seems so freaked out about.

Richt knew he had a team capable of playing nose to nose with Florida, he also knew that Florida has a pentiant for getting in people's faces and taking away the emotional game.

He chose a method of pumping up HIS players while simultaneoulsy distracting the opponents thoroughly. I really don't see anything wrong with it. he got his players excited.

Secondly: The penalty had nothing to do with th players ALL going out to celebrate, the penalties came on 2 specific players going over the line nd taunting the gators. So again, there is no real issue here. There is no rule against the entire squad celebrating a TD.

Richt found a button on the gators to push and gain an advantage, its not his fault the florida players aren't disciplined enough to concentrate on the game and not the antics on the field.

[RendeR]

Actually those two seniors are the only seniors on the two deep on both sides of the ball. They'll likely lose a few to the draft though, likely Jenkins and Robiskie. Lauranitis sounds like he plans on staying.


These facts just makes my heart all warm and fuzzy!!


GO BUCKEYES!!!

[digamma]

I have to ask...why? They already penalize the team 15 yards (per flag, UGA got 30 on that stunt) I really don't see the classy/classles aspect everyone seems so freaked out about.

Richt knew he had a team capable of playing nose to nose with Florida, he also knew that Florida has a pentiant for getting in people's faces and taking away the emotional game.

He chose a method of pumping up HIS players while simultaneoulsy distracting the opponents thoroughly. I really don't see anything wrong with it. he got his players excited.

Secondly: The penalty had nothing to do with th players ALL going out to celebrate, the penalties came on 2 specific players going over the line nd taunting the gators. So again, there is no real issue here. There is no rule against the entire squad celebrating a TD.

Richt found a button on the gators to push and gain an advantage, its not his fault the florida players aren't disciplined enough to concentrate on the game and not the antics on the field.

The first penalty was for excessive celebration for the team leaving the bench. It could have fit in under any number of unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, but there is also a specific rule against unauthorized players being on the field, Rule 9, Section 2, Article 2:

"No substitute(s) may enter the field of play or end zones for purposes
other than replacing a player(s) or to fill a player vacancy(ies). This
includes demonstrations after any play (A.R. 9-2-1-I)."

The second was for the specific taunting.

As far as it being classless or not, for me it clearly falls into the don't be an asshat category. And I think I'd classify pre-meditated asshattery as classless.

[Noop]

UGA needed something to get over the mental edge Florida has over them. Anything that helps beat a rival is great... it built confindence and most importantly VICTORY.

[digamma]

If you need to build confidence by celebrating a first quarter touchdown like you've never been there before, that says a lot about the state of your program.

That play was forgotten by the time the game was decided. Harvin and Keston Moore bumping into one another on the 4th & 2 in the second half was much more crucial in the win than celebrating the first touchdown.

[Noop]

If you need to build confidence by celebrating a first quarter touchdown like you've never been there before, that says a lot about the state of your program.

That play was forgotten by the time the game was decided. Harvin and Keston Moore bumping into one another on the 4th & 2 in the second half was much more crucial in the win than celebrating the first touchdown.

I understand where some of you are coming from but no one can deny that Florida has some mental edge over UGA. There has been years when UGA has been better then Florida and still lost. What Coach Ritch(sp?) did was very risky because if he lost then he would be getting pounded alot more by the media and would likely get it worst from his own fan base.

However they won game, and in my opinion may have put a little chink in Coach Meyers armor.

[st.cronin]

As far as it being classless or not, for me it clearly falls into the don't be an asshat category. And I think I'd classify pre-meditated asshattery as classless.

+1

[Poli]

If I start seeing HS teams do this, I'm going to burn the coach's house down.

[GreenMonster]

I can't say I won't giggle a bit when I look at the top 25 this week and see Uconn in the top 20 of both polls. Sure we haven't beaten anybody good except USF, its still fun to watch. I also giggle at the fact that our best WR used to be our starting QB.

[sterlingice]

I can't say I won't giggle a bit when I look at the top 25 this week and see Uconn in the top 20 of both polls. Sure we haven't beaten anybody good except USF, its still fun to watch. I also giggle at the fact that our best WR used to be our starting QB.

Same with KU being on the top 10 and two of our best WRs are our backup (former starting) QB and stud CB.

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Since the game wasn't on TV, I didn't know Pig Brown was injured today and is out for the rest of the season. Terrible news for Tiger fans. :(

We have solid backups, but Pig was a good leader. Was a real shame.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Same with KU being on the top 10 and two of our best WRs are our backup (former starting) QB and stud CB.

SI

When the MU/KU tickets went on sale, I snapped up 4 good tickets. Everyone mocked me at the time and said it wouldn't sell out and that I could likely get tickets the day of the game for less than face value. All those same people now are willing to pay me a pretty sizable premium for my tickets, but I'm not selling. :)

[sterlingice]

I'm going to be out of town for Thanksgiving, so I'll be watching it on tv :(

SI

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, I might make the trip for the MU/KU game. There are ALWAYS people selling tickets before the game, and this won't be any different.

[TazFTW]

w00t! Hawaii is 14th in the BCS. :cool: Just keep winning.

[Mike1409]

I have to ask...why? They already penalize the team 15 yards (per flag, UGA got 30 on that stunt) I really don't see the classy/classles aspect everyone seems so freaked out about.

Richt knew he had a team capable of playing nose to nose with Florida, he also knew that Florida has a pentiant for getting in people's faces and taking away the emotional game.

He chose a method of pumping up HIS players while simultaneoulsy distracting the opponents thoroughly. I really don't see anything wrong with it. he got his players excited.

Secondly: The penalty had nothing to do with th players ALL going out to celebrate, the penalties came on 2 specific players going over the line nd taunting the gators. So again, there is no real issue here. There is no rule against the entire squad celebrating a TD.

Richt found a button on the gators to push and gain an advantage, its not his fault the florida players aren't disciplined enough to concentrate on the game and not the antics on the field.

First, based on the intensity of this rivalry this could have easily instigated a brawl on the field. Second as a coach you cannot condone breaking rules. This would be no different than instructing a player to injure someone on the other team.

Don't reply with it didn't because that is not the point. He said if they did not get a penalty he would discipline his palyers.

I understand he wanted to send a message that they were there to win, but send the team to taunt the other team is classless.

[Crim]

First, based on the intensity of this rivalry this could have easily instigated a brawl on the field. Second as a coach you cannot condone breaking rules. This would be no different than instructing a player to injure someone on the other team.

Don't reply with it didn't because that is not the point. He said if they did not get a penalty he would discipline his palyers.

I understand he wanted to send a message that they were there to win, but send the team to taunt the other team is classless.

Okee, guys, take a breath.

I come down firmly on the "Richt made a jackass move" side of this, but let's not equate this with putting a bounty out on Tebow or something. UGA got a (well-deserved) 30-yd penalty, good enough for me.

The Gators lost because they were out played in the secondary, and some of the offensive play calls seemed horrible to me. Sprinkle in a dash of Tebow's beat up shoulder, and yer lookin at a game Florida didn't deserve to win. Other than Tennesee, there's no other team I hate to see beat us than Georgia, but there ya go. Georgia won, and convincingly.