Kitna's Costume

[GreenMonster]

Now this is funny stuff.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3088850

I can't believe he didn't win the car.

[Lathum]

man, people need to lighten up.

[DeToxRox]

The coach in question thought it was funny, and thought Kitna should of won the costume contest. It's a non story.

[molson]

Of course that coach is going to play it cool, a lower-level coach isn't going to start a media war with the starting QB.

But it was a total dick move unless they had a really close relationship and Kitna knew he wouldn't care.

Publicly making fun of someone's DUI arrest? C'mon, that ain't cool. That whole situation wasn't a laughing matter for the coach - he had worry about his career, jail time, probation, reputation with family and friends, etc.

[sabotai]

I vote hilarious! His wife's costume makes it 10 times funnier.

[st.cronin]

I vote no big deal. If somebody thinks that's too much mockery, there's a simple solution: don't drink and drive.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Of course that coach is going to play it cool, a lower-level coach isn't going to start a media war with the starting QB.

But it was a total dick move unless they had a really close relationship and Kitna knew he wouldn't care.

Publicly making fun of someone's DUI arrest? C'mon, that ain't cool. That whole situation wasn't a laughing matter for the coach - he had worry about his career, jail time, probation, reputation with family and friends, etc.
If someone puts themselves in a situation where they get busted for DUI, I don't feel bad for them if they're publicly humiliated because of it.

[molson]

If someone puts themselves in a situation where they get busted for DUI, I don't feel bad for them if they're publicly humiliated because of it.

I don't necessarily feel sorry for him, but lets say you have a friend that got a DUI. He feels bad about it, he screwed up his life. Would you go to a friends' Halloween party as him (lets say acting drunk and maybe carrying around a steering wheel)?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I don't necessarily feel sorry for him, but lets say you have a friend that got a DUI. He feels bad about it, he screwed up his life. Would you go to a friends' Halloween party as him (lets say acting drunk and maybe carrying around a steering wheel)?
Excellent question. To be honest, I don't know if I would do that or not.

[st.cronin]

I don't necessarily feel sorry for him, but lets say you have a friend that got a DUI. He feels bad about it, he screwed up his life. Would you go to a friends' Halloween party as him (lets say acting drunk and maybe carrying around a steering wheel)?

I probably wouldn't, but if somebody else did I would laugh.

[miami_fan]

I don't necessarily feel sorry for him, but lets say you have a friend that got a DUI. He feels bad about it, he screwed up his life. Would you go to a friends' Halloween party as him (lets say acting drunk and maybe carrying around a steering wheel)?

If the friend is okay with it, why not? I can only take Joe Cullen at his word. He said it did not bother him. In the article, Kitna made it seem like they have a good relationship.

[Lathum]

I don't necessarily feel sorry for him, but lets say you have a friend that got a DUI. He feels bad about it, he screwed up his life. Would you go to a friends' Halloween party as him (lets say acting drunk and maybe carrying around a steering wheel)?

I would if he was naked when he got busted

[molson]

I wonder how Cullen's wife and kids felt.

[Lathum]

I wonder how Cullen's wife and kids felt.

He put himself in that situation. If he feels like an ass it's his own fault

[ThunderingHERD]

total dick move, and also HILARIOUS

[Groundhog]

I don't think Kitna would have done it unless he and the coach were on pretty good terms and he was sure it wouldn't have upset the guy too much. Non-story IMO.

[Rizon]

If someone puts themselves in a situation where they get busted for DUI, I don't feel bad for them if they're publicly humiliated because of it.

Agreed. They SHOULD be publicly humiliated.

[molson]

Agreed. They SHOULD be publicly humiliated.

I don't think Kitna was doing it as an anti-DUI statement, (or for the purpose of humiliation) so I'm not sure the "bringing it upon yourself" stuff is relevant.

The whole thing kind of treats the DUI like a minor issue to be joked about.

[st.cronin]

I don't think Kitna was doing it as an anti-DUI statement, (or for the purpose of humiliation) so I'm not sure the "bringing it upon yourself" stuff is relevant.

The whole thing kind of treats the DUI like a minor issue to be joked about.

Typical classless Patriot fan pov.

[st.cronin]

Dola, I was just joking. Rizon's signature made me laugh out loud, and I wanted to make a funny.

[molson]

Typical classless Patriot fan pov.

:)

[miami_fan]

So who won the contest?

[molson]

So who won the contest?

One guy went as OJ and his ex-wife.

[DeToxRox]

So who won the contest?

Roy Williams, dressed as an outrageous pimp.

Someone went as Jon Kitna too I guess, with religious garb.

[DeToxRox]

One guy went as OJ and his ex-wife.

That was in the mid 90s and it was Johnnie Morton. It was the same party where Scott Mitchell went as Wayne Fontes and started a shit storm and no one made a peep about Morton. It was only two or three years after the OJ murders too.

[miami_fan]

I was hoping it was either someone in a Vick jersey with a Pound Puppy or a guy in a Pacman jersey with $81,000 in Monopoly money in his back pocket.

[sachmo71]

Of course that coach is going to play it cool, a lower-level coach isn't going to start a media war with the starting QB.

But it was a total dick move unless they had a really close relationship and Kitna knew he wouldn't care.

Publicly making fun of someone's DUI arrest? C'mon, that ain't cool. That whole situation wasn't a laughing matter for the coach - he had worry about his career, jail time, probation, reputation with family and friends, etc.


Maybe it's just me, but I think it's almost a given that Kitna has a close relationship with the coach. The last thing Kitna appears to be is mean-spirited.

[DeToxRox]

Kitna is a card carrying member of the God Squad. He routinely wears a hat with a cross on it and leads prayers on a consistent basis.

[Schmidty]

Kitna is a card carrying member of the God Squad. He routinely wears a hat with a cross on it and leads prayers on a consistent basis.

I know you and a lot of others don't approve, but I think it's great that he's not ashamed to show the world what he believes in.

As far as the Cullen thing, anyone who has a problem with it (considering the circumstances) is an overly uptight douche, especially Drew Sharp.

[ISiddiqui]

Hilarious! It also seems that wearing costumes that rip on other team members is not unusual, as someone came as Kitna and his wife as bible thumpers.

[miked]

I thought Halloween was the one night you were allowed to be silly and/or offensive. One year my wife and I went to a party as the blind leading the blind. We got glasses and sticks and tied a rope to each other. People at the party thought it was great. We lived in the North End of Boston at the time and people were literally pulling over to curse us out and yell at us. It's fucking halloween. There were people on the street dressed as priests with dolls strapped to their crotches. In Boston. And they got no flak.

Halloween = fair game

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Did Millen go as Johnnie Morton?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I DRESSED UP AS BLACK SUBBY

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think it was a bad decision by Kitna and a bit of dickish move.

He didn't clear the costume with Cullen beforehand.

Maybe Cullen was fine with it, but I find it in poor taste to make fun of someone's alcoholism, in particular in a very public setting where one knows the media will be present. Kitna is the leader of this team. He should know better.

If this were some private locker room prank or joke within the team, that's one thing, this, however, was very public.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I DRESSED UP AS BLACK SUBBY

Before his Face The Board episode, I would find the phrase "BLACK SUBBY" to be redundant.

[Schmidty]

I am an uptight douche who thinks Drew Sharp is sexay.

Go Spartans!!!!!

Fixed.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Fixed.

Yo mama is Drew Sharp! (BURN!!!!)

Oh, and....

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[Schmidty]

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[Passacaglia]

I don't think Kitna was doing it as an anti-DUI statement, (or for the purpose of humiliation) so I'm not sure the "bringing it upon yourself" stuff is relevant.

The whole thing kind of treats the DUI like a minor issue to be joked about.

I agree with this. You've got people here saying that the DUI should be publicly humiliated, plus people saying he didn't mean anything by it. I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it -- if Kitna's intent really was to villify the guy, I don't think he would wait until a Halloween party over a year later to do it.

the DUI itself is not really a joking matter -- but if it was just a DUI, there wouldn't be a costume. It's the "naked in the drive thru" part that makes it funny -- almost everyone has done something stupid while drunk, and we usually get made fun of for it. But, throwing in the fact that it was a DUI makes it much more of a gray area.

[Passacaglia]

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7 years ago? I didn't know images could stay on the internet for that long!

[Honolulu_Blue]

http://www.cqql.net/msu-um-2001c.jpg

Tainted.



Heisman.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1997/oct/10-27-97/photos/wtzfbcthecatch2102597.gif

[molson]

There were people on the street dressed as priests with dolls strapped to their crotches. In Boston. And they got no flak.



That's some funny shit but totally different. There's no personal connection between the priests and the people at that party. THAT'S why I think what Kitna did was dickish, not because it was a controversial news story, but because he's making light of a guy's alchoholism who's on the team.

[Schmidty]

Heisman.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1997/oct/10-27-97/photos/wtzfbcthecatch2102597.gif

Drugs.

[miami_fan]

That's some funny shit but totally different. There's no personal connection between the priests and the people at that party. THAT'S why I think what Kitna did was dickish, not because it was a controversial news story, but because he's making light of a guy's alchoholism who's on the team.

See I think the fact that they are on the same team that makes it a-okay. From all that we have heard, a pro team's locker room can be a brutal place where very few things are off limits. Once the team dealt with the seriousness of the DUI, it became fodder for locker room comedy. Since this was a teammate's party, I think he saw it as an extension of that locker room joking.

[Honolulu_Blue]

See I think the fact that they are on the same team that makes it a-okay. From all that we have heard, a pro team's locker room can be a brutal place where very few things are off limits. Once the team dealt with the seriousness of the DUI, it became fodder for locker room comedy. Since this was a teammate's party, I think he saw it as an extension of that locker room joking.

I have heard this "locker room" excuse before and I find it an incredibly lame defense.

This charity event wasn't some private Lions event held in the locker room or even Ford Field. It was held in a public place.

I don't doubt you that an NFL locker room is an incredibly brutal, Darwinistic place. I'm sure it is. Hell, highschool locker rooms were unpleasant and I am sure an NFL locker room is probably about 10,000x's worse. That said, these aren't kids. These are grown men (as Marinelli often likes to remind us). They have to know that certain behavior/jokes/language that are perfectly acceptable in the locker room are not acceptable in public or at their home.

Seriously, imagine if some reporter started giving an interview with some Lions' player and they all of a started going all "locker room" on him or her in front of all the other journalists./reports That'd be perfectly acceptable, because, hey, he's an NFL player and knows what its like to be in a locker room where the weak are killed and eaten? Of course not.

Clearly, the locker room should be treated like Vegas: What goes on in the locker room, stays in the locker room.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Drugs.

Somebody say drugs?

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[miami_fan]

I have heard this "locker room" excuse before and I find it an incredibly lame defense.

This charity event wasn't some private Lions event held in the locker room or even Ford Field. It was held in a public place.

I don't doubt you that an NFL locker room is an incredibly brutal, Darwinistic place. I'm sure it is. Hell, highschool locker rooms were unpleasant and I am sure an NFL locker room is probably about 10,000x's worse. That said, these aren't kids. These are grown men (as Marinelli often likes to remind us). They have to know that certain behavior/jokes/language that are perfectly acceptable in the locker room are not acceptable in public or at their home.

Seriously, imagine if some reporter started giving an interview with some Lions' player and they all of a started going all "locker room" on him or her in front of all the other journalists./reports That'd be perfectly acceptable, because, hey, he's an NFL player and knows what its like to be in a locker room where the weak are killed and eaten? Of course not.

Clearly, the locker room should be treated like Vegas: What goes on in the locker room, stays in the locker room.

Is pimping an acceptable joke in a public event? What about poking fun of someone's very strong and passionate religious beliefs? Probably not. Maybe there is more to this story that I am not aware of, but it seems like people are trying to read way more into this than is necessary.

[RendeR]

I just saw a clip of the costume, this is a non-issue as the costume was fucking awful. His wife was semi-hot though.

[Toddzilla]

I'd feel different if, say, Rex Grossman showed up at a Chicago-area party in that costume making fun of the Lions coach. But they play on the same team, so it's funny.

[Toddzilla]

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[molson]

Is pimping an acceptable joke in a public event? What about poking fun of someone's very strong and passionate religious beliefs? Probably not.

I'm sure there's someone that would find that "unacceptable", but again, I think that's different than making fun of someone's personal DUI arrest (that's he's still probably on probation for). I doubt Kitna's embarassed and humiliated about his religious beliefs. And there isn't any pimping issues on the team.

TOTAL guess by me, but I'm guessing the coach (and his family) are horrified by this whole thing. I mean, that's a reallly embarassing situation, and the guy is presumably trying to work through his demons. It'd be like dressing as a teamate with a known cocaine problem by putting white powder under his nose. Funny, yes. But an asshole move.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, it wasn't necessarily Kitna's "religious beliefs", but he was being portrayed as a Bible thumper... ie, a bit farther than just what he believes.

[Julio Riddols]

I seriously doubt this should have ever become a story. My friends and I rag on each other just as hard as this, easily.. Making light of an embarrassing situation isn't always to make fun of someone.. I think it shows acceptance of a persons flaws in this case, because it makes light of the embarrassing thing this guy did while drunk.

If the guy has issues with alcohol, he can have them treated.. But he'll never be able to erase the fact that he was naked in a drive thru window thanks to booze. We all have embarrassing stories, most of us involving alcohol or some other ridiculous idea we came up with. I think its better to laugh about it than to think about it negatively. I would assume that is the basic intent here with Kitna.

[Malificent]

If he didn't want to be humiliated, he should have played some defense and kept the Patriots from scoring 52.

Wait, what are we talking about again?