College Football Week 12 Thread

[duckman]

Go Wildcats! :D

[sterlingice]

You'll have to be more specific ;)

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[duckman]

You'll have to be more specific ;)

SI

Okay!

Go Arizona Wildcats! :p

[sooner333]

Bear Down! Hopefully Tuitama can light up the weakness that is the Oregon pass defense. Maybe Mike and Mark Stoops can stop the spread attack too.

[I. J. Reilly]

Hear hear, go Wildcats. Like every Pac-10 fan I want to see Stoops back next year coaching UA.

FTd

[st.cronin]

Random fact: Arizona, since joining the Pac 10, has never had a quarterback drafted by the NFL.

[sterlingice]

Poor Ortege Jenkins ;)

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[dawgfan]

Go Arizona! Fuck the Ducks!

[Balldog]

If I'm reading correctly on ESPN.com Dixon is done for the night, 11-10 Ducks after 1st Qtr.

[Arles]

24-11 now. It's a shame it took Arizona 4-5 games to get their new timing passing offense down or they could have been more of a factor this season.

[SnDvls]

If Leaf is running Oregon's O for the next three games they are in for a 3 game slide.

[Galaxy]

I hate Oregon just because of those uniforms. Phil Knight must donate a very large amount to use his school as a testing ground.

[SnDvls]

here's my quote from the Heisman thread we'll see what happens tonight now

Dixon is Oregon.

He is that good of a player and he makes Stewart an even better player because of what he can do.

Oregon basically has 1 good/healthy WR left on their team, a pretty good TE and a NFL ready RB, but if Leaf was running their O Stewart would not have the stats he has as teams could easily shut him down.

I was at the game in Eugene on Saturday and it was just so frustrating seeing our D contain their WR and have a coverage sack in our grasp only to see Dixon scramble away for 14 yards.

[SnDvls]

24-11 now. It's a shame it took Arizona 4-5 games to get their new timing passing offense down or they could have been more of a factor this season.

that is really on the coaches for not playing the freshmen RB & TE who are and were clearly the superior athletes...if they would involved their FB who has great hands they would be even better, but he has suddenly gotten lost in the shuffle of what to do on O.

[Galaxy]

30-11 now.

[sterlingice]

If Leaf is running Oregon's O for the next three games they are in for a 3 game slide.

Maybe they replaced one Pac-10 Leaf for another...

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0917/pg2_g_leaf_275.jpg

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[Young Drachma]

This one went to hell really fast.

[BishopMVP]

I know they're saying Dixon is out (with a tweaked knee ligament) but they have shown him walking around the bench area... I think there's a chance he comes back 2nd half.

[MizzouRah]

Go Cats! This would bode well for #3, #4, and #5!!!

[Buccaneer]

Okay!

Go Arizona Wildcats! :p

+1

[MrBug708]

Maybe they replaced one Pac-10 Leaf for another...

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0917/pg2_g_leaf_275.jpg

SI

They are brothers.

[MrBug708]

Cason probably might just have won the Thrope Award

[I. J. Reilly]

I hate Oregon just because of those uniforms. Phil Knight must donate a very large amount to use his school as a testing ground.

$150 million or so, give or take.

FTd

[Atocep]

WTF is up with Lou Holtz right now?

[BishopMVP]

I know they're saying Dixon is out (with a tweaked knee ligament) but they have shown him walking around the bench area... I think there's a chance he comes back 2nd half.Scratch that, Dixon's in street clothes. Now Leaf limping too.


Oh, Lou Holtz is insane. I love his pep-talks for their sheer absurdity. If you haven't seen any others, that was probably the most subdued and coherent one I've heard him give all year.

[Galaxy]

That girl next to ketchup/mustard needs to drop that top.

[MrIllini]

That girl next to ketchup/mustard needs to drop that top.

NO SHIT

[hoopsguy]

Pix plz?

[BishopMVP]

Terrible play by the couple guys on Arizona's punt-coverage team who gave up after getting beat on the fake punt. Terrible play by the Oregon player running straight at Cason and allowing himself to get flipped. And lastly, amazing play by Arizona to come away with that fumble. Don't want to know what went on at the bottom of that pile.

I don't get why both these teams aren't thowing deep more. Oregon's one good drive under Leaf involved a bomb down the sideline. These slip-screens are doing nothing, and the read option is getting stuffed since there's no mobile QB to draw defenders.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow, the Pac-10 officials really are bad.

[Galaxy]

NO SHIT

Ok....

Push a wrong button?

[Galaxy]

Wow...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oops.

[bhlloy]

Freaking Pac-10 referees. At least the horrible decisions usually even out over the course of the season.

...crap. Review coming

[Young Drachma]

Fumble.

[Young Drachma]

or not.

[Galaxy]

Good reversal.

[BishopMVP]

No Fumble. Correct call. 2nd won Arizona up 7 4:33 left in Oregon territory.

[Scoobz0202]

Somebody tell me what happened. I was watching the last ten minutes of the South Park re-run.

[BishopMVP]

Yeesh though, figure out the spot the 1st time you go to the booth.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow, this is like watching a Keystone Cops movie.

[Atocep]

Somebody tell me what happened. I was watching the last ten minutes of the South Park re-run.

Bad officiating.

[Scoobz0202]

Like the real deal bad officiating? Or the I want Arizona to win bad officiating?

(only kidding if your an Arizona fan)


Edited: said Oregon instead of Arizona :( :)

[BishopMVP]

Tuitama got stepped on while trying a hand-off, the RB fumbled, but Tuitama's knee had touched before the hand-off.

47? yd FG now, supposedly by a good kicker. 10-pt game.

[BishopMVP]

Like the real deal bad officiating? Or the I want oregon to win bad officiating?

(only kidding if your an Oregon fan)The I don't care which team you're rooting for (they've actually got most calls right in the end) I just want the players to play. At least 10 trips to the booth in the 4th Q.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nice kick to stretch the lead to 10.

The worst part of the officiating was missing the blatant face mask (as in "Stevie Wonder saw it" blatant) then followed by the replay deal which saw the officials need to make a second trip after the reversal in order to get the spot right.

[BishopMVP]

Stop fucking dumping it off Leaf.

[Scoobz0202]

I see. I just got home and haven't seen any of the game.

[BishopMVP]

Jesus, he just threw it across the field, across his body on 3rd and 7 to a RB standing on the line of scrimmage.

JiMGA - that was the 2nd time they've had to go back to look at the spot (oregon WR stretching being the other.)

[JonInMiddleGA]

The lack of crowd control is appalling. It's a matter of time before a player is seriously injured in the melee that follows some of these games.

Students have been hurt and killed in this crap, but nothing will change until it's a player.

[MrBug708]

Arizona fans will rush almost any game. They beat a medicore UCLA team a few weeks back and they rushed the field

[duckman]

Thank you, Mike Stoops! Thank you!

[sooner333]

Thank you, Mike Stoops! Thank you!

what he said. Now we just need to take care of business the rest of the way, no more worrying about other scores except our own. If we don't make it, it's our own fault from here on out.

[k0ruptr]

so for the BCS championship the Big 12 must be feeling pretty good. lol

[sooner333]

so for the BCS championship the Big 12 must be feeling pretty good. lol

yep...a lock if OU can beat Texas Tech and Oklahohma State, Kansas gets past Iowa State, and Missouri takes care of Kansas State over the next two weeks. If that happens, the Big 12 will have a top 2 team...undisputed in the polls and the BCS standings.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Will whoever wins the mnc this year be the worst championship team of all time? It's even worse than last year.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

1 down 4 to go...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow. It would seem a SEC/B12 title game is all but assured at this point. So much for all that Pac-10 chatter in the Week 11 thread yesterday.

If you would have told myself and the rest of the MU fanbase before this season that I would have ever seen the day that Mizzou controlled their own destiny in regards to reaching a national championship game, I obviously would have laughed. Only thing I would have found more unbelievable would be that Kansas would be in the same position in my lifetime. Forget the BCS. Mizzou and KU's single elimination playoffs start this weekend.

I saw the MU/KU ticket prices just skyrocketed overnight. You couldn't give me enough money to sell my 4 tickets. I attended the #1 vs. #2 matchup of MU/KU on the hardwood in 1990. That game is dwarfed by the importance of the game at Arrowhead next week.

[timmynausea]

Wow. It would seem a SEC/B12 title game is all but assured at this point.

It's funny to me that even in a season with huge upsets just about every week that everyone is still ready to say it's all locked up with a bunch of games left. I do agree that SEC/B12 is the most likely outcome, but I also wouldn't be shocked if neither made it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

It's funny to me that even in a season with huge upsets just about every week that everyone is still ready to say it's all locked up with a bunch of games left. I do agree that SEC/B12 is the most likely outcome, but I also wouldn't be shocked if neither made it.

Obviously, the SEC end of it is the one that would be on the thinner ice. With B12 teams (assuming they win this weekend) at spots 2-4, a hiccup by one of them still means there's a couple left for the other teams to jump. A loss by LSU obviously throws things into turmoil. The B12 teams all face each other and will sort out their championship candidate all on their own.

[st.cronin]

A loss by LSU probably makes it B12 champ vs. W. Virginia. I would guess Ohio State is still in line behind W. Virginia, should the mountain men lose.

[albionmoonlight]

Arizona fans will rush almost any game. They beat a medicore UCLA team a few weeks back and they rushed the field

That makes them like pretty much every other fan base now. I agree with JoninMGA. Back when rushing the field used to be a rare thing that only happened in huge games when the emotion took over, it was one thing.

Now, it is basically foreseeable that fans are going to rush the field after any big game. So, rushing is kind of lame, and people get hurt by it. No reason to have it around anymore.

Just dock scholarships from a team when its field is rushed. Put them burden on the schools to keep it safe. You will see the problem go away overnight.

[st.cronin]

Texas Tech beats Oklahoma
Missouri beats Kansas
Oklahoma beats Missouri
LSU loses
West Virginia loses
Michigan beats Ohio State

What happens then? Texas vs. Georgia, maybe?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That makes them like pretty much every other fan base now. I agree with JoninMGA. Back when rushing the field used to be a rare thing that only happened in huge games when the emotion took over, it was one thing.

Now, it is basically foreseeable that fans are going to rush the field after any big game. So, rushing is kind of lame, and people get hurt by it. No reason to have it around anymore.

Just dock scholarships from a team when its field is rushed. Put them burden on the schools to keep it safe. You will see the problem go away overnight.

Mizzou fans have thankfully graduated from that problem. In past years, when we did something like beat KU at home, the students would rush the field. People would complain in the media and on message boards that Mizzou fans needed to act like they expected to win the big games. Thankfully, they didn't rush the field this year when we beat Nebraska. Then again, MU has done that three straight times at home, so maybe trends are changing.

[SnDvls]

Texas Tech beats Oklahoma
Missouri beats Kansas
Oklahoma beats Missouri
LSU loses
West Virginia loses
Michigan beats Ohio State

What happens then? Texas vs. Georgia, maybe?

ASU gets in with a win over USC and all that happening :D

[MizzouRah]

Wow. It would seem a SEC/B12 title game is all but assured at this point. So much for all that Pac-10 chatter in the Week 11 thread yesterday.

If you would have told myself and the rest of the MU fanbase before this season that I would have ever seen the day that Mizzou controlled their own destiny in regards to reaching a national championship game, I obviously would have laughed. Only thing I would have found more unbelievable would be that Kansas would be in the same position in my lifetime. Forget the BCS. Mizzou and KU's single elimination playoffs start this weekend.

I saw the MU/KU ticket prices just skyrocketed overnight. You couldn't give me enough money to sell my 4 tickets. I attended the #1 vs. #2 matchup of MU/KU on the hardwood in 1990. That game is dwarfed by the importance of the game at Arrowhead next week.

I'm with you... pinch me please!

[Swaggs]

A loss by LSU probably makes it B12 champ vs. W. Virginia. I would guess Ohio State is still in line behind W. Virginia, should the mountain men lose.

I think Arizona State, should they win out, gets in ahead of Ohio State and possibly ahead of WVU.

Ohio State has only one game remaining, and should they win it, their best win is going to be against either a 4-loss Michigan or 3-loss Penn State (who should win this week and be in the upper teens of the rankings).

West Virginia has an advantage over Ohio State, in my opinion, because they play three more games. Two of the games are against teams comprable or favorable to Michigan/PSU, in Cincy and UConn (although that could change if they slump in their other remaining games). I think WVU and Ohio State's losses are fairly even, with the slight edge going to WVU because Ohio State lost at home.

Arizona State is pretty similar to the above two, in that they haven't really beaten anyone that impressive, but their loss is to a quality Oregon team on the road (although it was by 12-points). If ASU can knock off USC, that would give them a marquee win. Their fate, if they remain undefeated may come down to how Oregon and USC finish the season. Oregon (without Dixon) and USC (with a game remaining against Jeckyl and Hyde UCLA) could lose again and slide down the polls, hammering ASU's computer ratings.

[SnDvls]

ASU can get there, but it's going to take a lot of help to do it. My thinking is just win on Thursday vs. USC and you control the Rose Bowl (sorry but they aren't losing to uofa).

Oregon w/o Dixon vs. UCLA is going to be an ugly game. Oregon has one healthy WR, a pretty good TE, a one legged QB in Leaf (who should be healthy by next week) and a stud RB who w/o Dixon is the person defenses shut down. While UCLA has a 4th string converted WR playing QB and a third string RB and a head coach none of their fans want anymore...however if they win one of their next two they become bowl elligible.

USC vs. UCLA is a win for the Trojans IMO...Pom Pom Pete won't let them win two in a row especially if ASU beats them too.

[st.cronin]

I forgot about Arizona State, my bad.

[SnDvls]

I forgot about Arizona State, my bad.

as long as you don't have a vote in any polls that matter it's okay that's how we like it right now. USC hopefully is following your thinking too ;)

[SnDvls]

Cason probably might just have won the Thrope Award

had to come back to this...the votes had to be in early Thursday before the game was played so for Mr. Cason his best performance on national TV won't effect his votes.

[MJ4H]

Reliable sources are saying Houston Nutt is gone after the LSU game.

edit: local news station has picked it up:http://www.4029tv.com/sports/14619737/detail.html

[Vegas Vic]

Nobody will be rooting harder for Nevada tonight than those Sugar Bowl executives with the funky yellow sport coats. They are looking at a potentially nightmarish financial scenerio with the 3,000 or so fans that Hawaii would bring to the 72,000 seat Superdome.

[Atocep]

Dixon is out for the year.

Oregon went from national championship contenders to afterthought in a hurry.

[miami_fan]

Dixon is out for the year.

Oregon went from national championship contenders to afterthought in a hurry.

And the Heisman leader is now.....?

[sooner333]

If Hawaii goes to the Sugar, the Sugar Bowl better hope that LSU loses to Ole Miss or Arkansas and wins the SEC so there will be people there to watch. If LSU goes, they'll have the first pick, would they take West Virginia? Georgia? Who would draw the most?

[WSUCougar]

Dixon is out for the year.

Oregon went from national championship contenders to afterthought in a hurry.

Obviously, I'm no Oregon fan by any stretch, but you gotta feel for the kid and their team. That just royally sucks.

[Swaggs]

If Hawaii goes to the Sugar, the Sugar Bowl better hope that LSU loses to Ole Miss or Arkansas and wins the SEC so there will be people there to watch. If LSU goes, they'll have the first pick, would they take West Virginia? Georgia? Who would draw the most?

West Virginia is kind of a mixed bag. We travel very well, but have very little television influence/market.

[sterlingice]

They had Border War shirts in Hy-Vee tonight. I almost grabbed one as I have 3 KU football shirts (Tangerine Bowl forever!) which I think is 3 more than anyone else in Lawrence has. But there's no way I was going to jynx things. If we win tomorrow, then I'll get a shirt but not until.

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[Atocep]

And the Heisman leader is now.....?


Has to be Tebow. The best knock him you can come up with is he's on a team that lost 3 games and that shouldn't have any impact on the Heisman voting (it does, but shouldn't).

[Ragone]

Go Nevada Go!

[TazFTW]

Nevada needs to blitz more.

[TazFTW]

The option??? He called an option???

[Atocep]

Wow

[TazFTW]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FU Chris Ault!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't screw up the kickoff coverage.

[TazFTW]

dola

Taz needs Pepto.

[Atocep]

Congrats to Hawaii, it would have sucked to see the BCS go down the tube with your QB on the sideline (Oregon fans would probably agree).

Its starting to look like the winner of the Boise/Hawaii game is going to play in a BCS game. Should make for an interesting game.

[Vegas Vic]

Its starting to look like the winner of the Boise/Hawaii game is going to play in a BCS game. Should make for an interesting game.

If Hawaii wins out, they will be in the Sugar Bowl.

There is no way that Boise State will make it to a BCS bowl this year. They're 18th right now in the BCS rankings, they have a computer component of 0.40, and they play Idaho today (which will lower their computer ranking). Even if they beat Hawaii next week, there's no way that they get into the BCS top 12 to get the mandatory bid.

[k0ruptr]

seriousy, I've said it before but this is a team of Destiny, they just refuse to lose. its an amazing season, one that will probably not happen again in my life time. Go Warriors!

[Atocep]

If Hawaii wins out, they will be in the Sugar Bowl.

There is no way that Boise State will make it to a BCS bowl this year. They're 18th right now in the BCS rankings, they have a computer component of 0.40, and they play Idaho today (which will lower their computer ranking). Even if they beat Hawaii next week, there's no way that they get into the BCS top 12 to get the mandatory bid.

Its still a possibility. The human polls will probably give a big boost to the winner of that game in an attempt to get them into a BCS game. Their computer rating is better than Hawaii's and they aren't too far behind them in the human polls. Assuming they get a push there they could finish in the top 12 if a couple teams sitting in the 8-12 range lose over the next couple weeks.

Also, the BCS can't use more than 2 teams from a conference and the qualifiers have to be in the top 14. The BCS currently doesn't have any rules to cover a situation where not enough teams from BCS conferences qualify and speculation is they'll grant it to a non-BCS school if one hasn't received an automatic bid. This one is a long shot, but still a possibility right now.

[CU Tiger]

Leaving home to head to CLEMSON... Here's hoping wee taklee care of the Eagles and when I post tomorrow I am in good mood.

[Klinglerware]

Well, "The Game" (or at least the snooty set will have you believe it is) between Harvard and Yale will actually mean something to both teams this year--as both teams are undefeated and playing for the conference championship.

The Yale Bowl is expected to sell out, and it should be an electric atmosphere. My wife will be in attendance, but I had already told her that I wouldn't be going--I decided to schedule myself a spa appointment instead!

[WSUCougar]

Well, "The Game" (or at least the snooty set will have you believe it is) between Harvard and Yale will actually mean something to both teams this year--as both teams are undefeated and playing for the conference championship.
Wow...when was the last time that has happened?

[Dr. Sak]

I can't believe I am actually rooting for Michigan. I feel dirty.

[Joe]

Arizona fans will rush almost any game. They beat a medicore UCLA team a few weeks back and they rushed the field

That must be a PAC-10 thing. Oregon fans rushed the field against both USC and Arizona State. Games in which they were favored AND higher ranked than their opponents.

[Young Drachma]

Wow...when was the last time that has happened?

1968. And it ended in a tie.

[sterlingice]

At KU, the students rushed the field after beating a 20ish ranked Mizzou team a few years ago. Then again, we haven't had much to rush the field about. Ever. I think I was there the last two times KU took down the goalpost. The first was beating KState for the first time in 11 years a couple of years ago and then the next year beating Nebraska for the first time in 38 years.

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[sterlingice]

1968. And it ended in a tie.

I looked it up as that caught my attention and it's that both are undefeated in the Ivy League. Yale is actually 9-0 on the season while Harvard is something like 7-2.

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[Dr. Sak]

Boeckman is really struggling right now.

[Klinglerware]

I looked it up as that caught my attention and it's that both are undefeated in the Ivy League. Yale is actually 9-0 on the season while Harvard is something like 7-2.

SI

Yes, undefeated in conference.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well let's get it started.

Ohio State takes a 7-3 lead over Michigan early 2nd quarter
Kentucky leads UGA 7-0 and driving again late 1st quarter
GT 7-3 over UNC early 2nd quarter
FSU 21-3 over Maryland early 2nd quarter
(Terps still need 1 win to be bowl eligible, either today or next week vs NCSU)
Missouri gets a 99 yd KOR to extend their lead to 14-3 over K-State mid Q1

[hoopsguy]

I can't believe I am actually rooting for Michigan. I feel dirty.

No such issues here. I'm rooting for Ohio State, just like I do every time these teams play.

[hoopsguy]

Illini are taking care of business against Northwestern so far. 21-0, with Juice Williams rushing for 7 first downs and having a pair of TD runs. Northwestern has been hurt by penalties, but really haven't shown an ability to stop the run. The last Illini drive was 16 plays and covered 97 yards.

Oh, and Andre Ware is crazy for suggesting J Leman as the Big Ten POTY. I'm guilty of wearing orange-colored glasses from time to time, but that statement is pretty crazy. His stats just don't support it, even if he has been a very good LB.

[hoopsguy]

And the Wildcats answer with a TD drive, now 21-7 with 2:35 left in the half. I would like to see the offense put up some more points before half to see if they can demoralize Northwestern going into the half.

Four straight losses to Northwestern (ugh, there is a stat I just hate) leave me more nervous for this game than I would like.

[sterlingice]

Wow. K-State gets a complete gift non-call on a pass interference on 4th and 2. The play after they take over on downs, they get a 60 yard run for a TD to make it 14-10.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Florida back in control, 28-13 over FAU, 5 mins left Q2
GT now 10-3 over UNC, under 5 mins left in the half
Kentucky 10-0 over UGA very early in the 2nd qtr
FSU 21-6 over Maryland in the 2nd
KSU back to within 14-9 vs Missouri, 66 yd TD run but the PAT was blocked

[Dr. Sak]

The weather has made UM and tOSU one dimensional. Protecting the ball and the running game is going to be of utmost importance. As I type that, Boeckman throws an INT.

[dawgfan]

That must be a PAC-10 thing. Oregon fans rushed the field against both USC and Arizona State. Games in which they were favored AND higher ranked than their opponents.
That's just Oregon - football history for them started in 1994 and they're still getting used to the concept that they're a fairly good program.

[larrymcg421]

If no one is pressuring the QB, then he can just throw it away, right? I mean, otherwise every time the ball is spiked to stop the clock would be intentional grounding.

[st.cronin]

Lou Holtz is absolutely awesome.

[Celeval]

If no one is pressuring the QB, then he can just throw it away, right? I mean, otherwise every time the ball is spiked to stop the clock would be intentional grounding.

A spike is a special rule, I think... the QB has to spike it before he takes more than a half-step back (or some such) or it is grounding.

[Dr. Sak]

To spike the ball to kill the clock it must be a hand to hand snap and the ball must be thrown down immediately.

[kingfc22]

Lloyd Carr please retire!

[MizzouRah]

This K-ST team is running all over us. Looks like we'll take a 3 point lead into the half after a medicore first half.

[Celeval]

JiMG will be glad to see Nesbitt put together a scoring drive for GT - 2-plays, first a 33-yard QB draw, then a long touchdown pass put the Jackets on top of UNC 24-15 now, early in the fourth quarter.

Edit: That's the third touchdown pass for Tech this game - most in one game for the season - by three different players (Choice to Bennett, Bennett to Smith, Nesbitt to Smith).

[bhlloy]

I don't get what Michigan is doing here. Sure, Mallett is a freshman that has looked lost at a lot of times, but Henne can't throw the ball further than 10 yards right now and is clearly in a ton of pain. And you are losing by two scores with 4 minutes left. Get him out of the game. Reminds me a lot of USC leaving Booty in against Stanford when he couldn't get any velocity or accuracy on his passes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

F'n Woodson has the arm to be a QB but that sure didn't look like he's got the head for it (took a bad sack trailing UGA 21-13 with 10:30 left). And that leads to a missed field goal :(

Meanwhile Tennessee back up on Vandy 9-7 with 4 mins left in the half

[JonInMiddleGA]

And UNC just went up 25-24 on GT with 6 mins to play.

[MJ4H]

Arkansas 24, Miss State 7 late in first half.

[GrantDawg]

F'n Woodson has the arm to be a QB but that sure didn't look like he's got the head for it (took a bad sack trailing UGA 21-13 with 10:30 left). And that leads to a missed field goal :(

Meanwhile Tennessee back up on Vandy 9-7 with 4 mins left in the half


Why in the heck isn't this game on TV?

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

4-0 vs Michigan my four years here...cant ask for more than that.

[Balldog]

So should Henne and Hart get an asterik in the records book for going 0-4 against OSU? And possibly 0-4 in Bowl Games.

Go Bucks :)

[Leonidas]

Michigan fans, I drink from your tears.

If at the beginning of the season you'd offered me an 11-1 season, a bone crunching win over Michigan, and a Rose Bowl bid I'd have taken it in a heartbeat. I don't understand all the negativity towards Ohio State. All we did was go out on the field and earn the Rose Bowl in what was supposed to be a rebuilding season. At this point I really don't care about all that BCS nonsense. We won the Big 10 outright, spanked the Wolverines, and are Pasadena bound. I'm a pretty darn happy man.

[Leonidas]

Oh, and I do feel bad for Henne and Hart. Two great players who probably deserved a lot better. I hope this injury doesn't hurt Henne's draft day chances. He's great when he's healthy (and has receivers with a little more fortitude).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Vandy leads 14-9 just before the half & UT just fumbled (on a pass ruled a lateral), 'Dores ball at the UT 15 with 0:29 left in the half.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Vandy gets a FG out of the turnover, 17-9 at the half.

Meanwhile GT kicks a 32 yd FG with 0:18 to play but it's waved off for a dead ball illegal substitution on UNC. Almost surprinsgly, the ensuing 27 yarder is also good, now 27-25 Jackets.

[Celeval]

After GT's Travis Bell misses a go-ahead 33 yarder with 2 minutes left, he gets another opportunity from 32 with 18 seconds - Butch Davis finds a way to ice him three times (2 consecutive timeouts, and then a dead-ball 12-men on the field penalty that negates a good kick), but Bell eventually hits it to put GT up 27-25 with 0:15 to go.

[Celeval]

I think Tech was just the first team I've ever seen blitz two men out of a prevent defense.

And UNC is going to try a 63-yarder to win.

[JonInMiddleGA]

63 yd FGA for Carolina is partially blocked, Tech survives 27-25.

[Celeval]

UNC's kick from 63 is partially blocked; and Tech wins to go to 7-4 on the season. This is, I think, UNC's sixth loss for less than a touchdown; they'll be very good once all these freshmen they're playing are juniors.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia hits a FG to go up 24-13 with 2:15 left to play :(

[sterlingice]

Mizzou starting to pull away, 42-25.

KU about to get underway on Senior Day against Iowa State.

SI

[Easy Mac]

Why did Kentucky go for it on 4th down from the 20? You're down a FG and a TD/2 pointer. Take the 3 and try an onside kick.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia stops a desperate Kentucky drive with their 5th sack of the day (following yet another airmailed incompletion by Woodson). His name has to officially be off the Heisman ballot after being largely dominated by Georgia all day. Looked very average all day, finishing 24/41 for 268, 1 TD/1 INT. And 45 of those yards came on the final drive with Georgia laying back allowing completions.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And speaking of QB's not looking good, Ainge is 13/21 for 110 & a TD but his misses have been mostly by a mile. He's been completely out of rhythm for most of the first half, as has normally reliable kicker Daniel Lincoln who has had a PAT blocked & missed a FG, just his 4th miss of the year.

[GrantDawg]

Why did Kentucky go for it on 4th down from the 20? You're down a FG and a TD/2 pointer. Take the 3 and try an onside kick.


I didn't understand that, either. The kicker was warming up. I'll take it, though.

[Raiders Army]

Can't believe Ole Miss turned it over to LSU.

[Raiders Army]

PR for a TD. 7-7 now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I had figured Kentucky's kicker was probably an iffy call ... but he's actually 11/12 from inside 40 this season (would have been a 37 yd FGA).

[sterlingice]

TD, KU 7-0 halfway into the 1st. Nice grinding drive.

Reesing limping around a little. :(

KU already with 2 penalties, very uncharacteristic.

SI

[GrantDawg]

24-9 Vandy. Go Commies!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennesse has reverted to their no clue defense. If Ainge remains out of synch in the 2nd half, this could get very ugly. And Fulmer would need a Secret Service escort to get out of Neyland alive (and even then it'll be iffy).

[sterlingice]

Mizzou-KState just went final. 49-32 Tigers

KU working their way down the field against Iowa State again.

SI

[larrymcg421]

Miami has just completely given up. I can't watch this anymore.

[sterlingice]

TD #2 for Dexton Fields, today. That's after Briscoe had 3 against Nebraska 2 weeks ago and Henry had 3 last week against Oklahoma State.

SI

[MizzouRah]

GO MIZZOU!!!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Minnesota 13-3 over Wisconsin early 2nd quarter.

[sterlingice]

TD, KU, 21-0. They're just grinding down Iowa State. That said, that's probably what Colorado thought last week when they were up 21-0 and went on to lose so KU needs to keep the pressure on.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennessee goes 3-and-out yet again, but gets a roughing the kicker call.
If they're going to do anything, this is the time.

[st.cronin]

Minnesota 13-3 over Wisconsin early 2nd quarter.

Stop posting. :mad:

[sterlingice]

KU getting lots of stupid penalties today to keep a drive alive for Iowa State and they score, making it 21-7.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Stop posting. :mad:

Would you be happier if I said it was now just 13-10 Gophers?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Vols score again, down 24-22, but can't convert the 2-point try.
7 mins left to play in regulation in Knoxville.

[st.cronin]

Would you be happier if I said it was now just 13-10 Gophers?

Marginally.

I want to know why Evridge is playing qb.

[larrymcg421]

After three trips to the red zone, Miami finally scores on a 5 yard Kyle Wright TD. It's now 17-7 VT at the half.

[JonInMiddleGA]

A great PR gives UT good field position, sets up a 33 yd FG.
25-24 Vols with 2:46 left in the game.

edit to add: Very late flag, PI on UT turns an impending 4th down play into 1st down inside the Vols 40.

[larrymcg421]

Um, Alabama currently losing 21-14 to Louisiana-Monroe. 3:04 left in the 4th quarter.

[JonInMiddleGA]

49 yard FGA ... WIDE LEFT !

[sterlingice]

Um, Alabama currently losing 21-14 to Louisiana-Monroe. 3:04 left in the 4th quarter.

If Yahoo is to be believed, LA Monroe held on 4th and 1 with 2 minutes to go.

SI

[larrymcg421]

Alabama turns it over on downs in the red zone. LA-Monroe ball with 1:40 to go.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Bama ball at their own 37, less than a minute left, no TO's left.

edit: Now 3rd & 6 at the Bama 41, gotta be down into the :30-:40 range left.
Incomplete, now 4th & 6.
Incomplete. La-Monroe ball with :34 secs left. !

[Leonidas]

Wait a minute, I thought the Greek intramural teams at an SEC school were better than Ohio State. So how is La Monroe beating Bama, a team that were it not for a late fumble would have beaten all powerful LSU?

[larrymcg421]

Stick a fork in Bama. They're done.

Nice to see Nick SaTan turning Alabama around with a 6-5 record and a loss to a Sun Belt team.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Bama hasn't won a game since beating Tennessee ... although I'd say it's more a case of mentally collapsing since losing to LSU by 7. The truth is, Vols crappy defense aside, the Tide isn't really anything more than average right now (like most teams).

So-so QB, okay RB, a darned good WR. The anamoly for them was beating the hell out of UT.
The reality is that they barely beat Houston & Ole Miss, and lost to Miss. State & FSU before today.

[Leonidas]

I'd say considering LSU beating Va Tech is really the only noteworthy non-conference SEC win all season I'd say this Bama choke job is going to prompt a whole lotta SEC backlash. Oh, and those few of us still admitting to be Miami Dolphin fans finally have something to be pleased about.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And Wisconsin scores on a short field after a long PR, leads Minny 17-13 midway through the 3rd quarter.

edit to add: Looks like ND will finally get win #2, leading Duke 21-0 with 10 minutes left.

[k0ruptr]

looks like Miami is trying to make agame of it.

[larrymcg421]

Miami back in the game against VT. On 2nd and 16, Kyle Wright runs 15 yards to the 1. Then Miami gets away with a push off for a 1 yard pass TD and its now only a 20-14 VT lead.

[cartman]

edit to add: Looks like ND will finally get win #2, leading Duke 21-0 with 10 minutes left.

Maybe they will get a Gator Bowl invite after all. :D

[st.cronin]

Maybe they will get a Gator Bowl invite after all. :D

Heck, a couple more upsets and they'll be in the BCS.

[sterlingice]

Heck, a couple more upsets and they'll be in the BCS.

Would a win at Stanford be one of those upsets?

SI

[sterlingice]

KU just continues to grind away. Iowa State can't do a thing on offense. Kansas up 31-7 middle of the 3rd Q.

SI

[st.cronin]

Wisconsin's Zack Brown: 20 carries, 205 yards.

[sterlingice]

Washington beating Cal 31-23 in the 3rd quarter right now.

SI

[st.cronin]

Wisconsin's Zack Brown: 20 carries, 205 yards.

Now 24 for 241. He's gonna be pretty tired, I bet.

Wisconsin 34, Minnesota

[Schmidty]

Wow, MSU might actually win and go to a bowl game!!!

Shit, I guarantee that I just jinxed it.

[Noop]

Randy Shannon is over his head. Part of that is on UM for giving him such a small budget to hire good coaches.

[Schmidty]

THAT WAS BULLSHIT!!! THE REFS GAVE PSU AN EXTRA FUCKING TIMEOUT!! I HOPE THOSE FUCKING REFS GET FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

Still won though.

[st.cronin]

THAT WAS BULLSHIT!!! THE REFS GAVE PSU AN EXTRA FUCKING TIMEOUT!! I HOPE THOSE FUCKING REFS GET FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:confused: Does Schmidty not know that Sparty won?

[Schmidty]

:confused: Does Schmidty not know that Sparty won?

Yeah, but PSU shouldn't have even gotten the ball back. It almost gave me a heart attack.

[st.cronin]

Over the last 4 years:

Ohio 41-8
Wisconsin 40-10
Michigan 35-13
Penn State 32-15

Its a good time to be a Badger fan.

[sterlingice]

The KU game just went final, 45-7 over Iowa State. That sets up the huge game next week in Arrowhead.

I'll be heading up to HyVee tonight to get my nice little screen print Border War t-shirt.

SI

[MizzouRah]

It's on SI, it's ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digamma]

37-6!!!

[Galaxy]

Randy Shannon is over his head. Part of that is on UM for giving him such a small budget to hire good coaches.

Isn't it just his first year?

What is with Trump on the Tech intros?

[sterlingice]

It's on SI, it's ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't wait :D

It's odd and I'm probably in the minority- I don't wish any ill will towards Mizzou. I don't get any great delight out of Tiger fan misery. Don't get me wrong, I badly want to win next week. But it's not as if the game next week were between Nebraska and Mizzou, I'd be cheering for the Huskers. Probably because I'm a transplant and wasn't born into this rivalry.

SI

[Galaxy]

With Hawaii (No. 16 BCS, No. 13 AP) and Boise State (No. 18 BCS, No. 17 AP) winning this weekend, they set up a showdown next week for the WAC title. With them likely moving up two spots or so in the AP, depending on how the rest of the night plays, can the winner get into a BCS game?

[st.cronin]

With Hawaii (No. 16 BCS, No. 13 AP) and Boise State (No. 18 BCS, No. 17 AP) winning this weekend, they set up a showdown next week for the WAC title. With them likely moving up two spots or so in the AP, depending on how the rest of the night plays, can the winner get into a BCS game?

If Hawaii wins, I think they're in. If Boise State wins, I think its more iffy - maybe a 1/5 shot. They'd need a lot of help.

[mckerney]

Now 24 for 241. He's gonna be pretty tired, I bet.

Well, such happens when you're playing a team without linebackers.

[Atocep]

With Hawaii (No. 16 BCS, No. 13 AP) and Boise State (No. 18 BCS, No. 17 AP) winning this weekend, they set up a showdown next week for the WAC title. With them likely moving up two spots or so in the AP, depending on how the rest of the night plays, can the winner get into a BCS game?

I posted earlier in this thread that I think the winner (assuming Hawaii then beats Washington) gets into the BCS. Boise will need some help, but I think you're going to see voters give the winner of that game a big push and Boise is already ahead of Hawaii in the computer polls.

Also, if West Virginia slips and the Big East champion fails to make the top 16 in the BCS ratings, then Boise could get in.

[st.cronin]

Well, such happens when you're playing a team without linebackers.

Do you miss Glen Mason yet?

[mckerney]

Do you miss Glen Mason yet?

Nope, not at all.

[Galaxy]

What's with the instant replay calls this weekend?

[Noop]

Isn't it just his first year?

What is with Trump on the Tech intros?

I know its his first year but trust me alot of players do not like him especially on the offensive side of the ball. In general the players do not trust him and the coaches.

[MizzouRah]

I can't wait :D

It's odd and I'm probably in the minority- I don't wish any ill will towards Mizzou. I don't get any great delight out of Tiger fan misery. Don't get me wrong, I badly want to win next week. But it's not as if the game next week were between Nebraska and Mizzou, I'd be cheering for the Huskers. Probably because I'm a transplant and wasn't born into this rivalry.

SI

For some odd reason, I've really liked watching KU play this year - I think I've been treated to their last 4 games and I'm definitely worried about next week. We can't stop the run a McAnderson should have a big day.. but KU also has some big and lanky WR's. Shoot be a shootout for sure!

It's been a great year of football anyway you slice it for MU - KU fans.

[cartman]

Stop me if you've heard this one before:

A Big 12 South team is being led to a possible BCS Championship Game berth by their outstanding freshman QB. The QB goes down with an injury early in the 1st quarter of the next to last conference game, the week before their big in-state rivalry game.

[st.cronin]

Stop me if you've heard this one before:

A Big 12 South team is being led to a possible BCS Championship Game berth by their outstanding freshman QB. The QB goes down with an injury early in the 1st quarter of the next to last conference game, the week before their big in-state rivalry game.

Its going to happen, isn't it? The Championship game is going to be Notre Dame vs. Miami.

[k0ruptr]

HURRAY GO TEXAS TECH :D

[dawgfan]

Washington beating Cal 31-23 in the 3rd quarter right now.

SI
Man, where has this been all season? Huskies run over, around and through Cal for 334 yards, rendering Jake Locker's absence moot. Ty might just survive this season after all...

[IMetTrentGreen]

For those who don't know, new OU QB Joey Halzle is so bad that even OU fans admit he's bad. They are a 100% delusional fan base, so that's really saying something.

If Bradford doesn't come back, they are fucked. It'd be sweet, sweet justice, what with Dixon going down and all.

Guns up.

[cartman]

If Texas Tech wins this game, next week I am Oklahoma State's biggest fan.

[IMetTrentGreen]

You and me both. Is that game in Norman or Stillwater? OU plays like crap on the road.

[cartman]

It's in Norman.

[cartman]

Nice goal line stand there by Tech to hold the Sooners to a FG, and keep it a three score game.

[Vegas Vic]

I'd like to see Keith Nichol get a shot for OU. He's the QB of the future. OU was exposed twice on the road already this year, at Colorado and Iowa State, so this isn't a huge shock to me. I am surprised at Tech's margin, however.

OU still controls their own destiny for the conference championship and Fiesta Bowl, so they still have a lot to play for.

[SirFozzie]

BC scores with less then 2 minutes left thanks to a huge Ryan pass to beat Clemson at Death Valley to win the ACC Coastal Division championship. They will be playing either Virginia or Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship game.

[Galaxy]

BC to the ACC title game. Harper took them out of making that three to tie with that sack.

[SirFozzie]

BTW, the biggest winner of the OU-Texas Tech result if that stays the same? West Virginia.

If OU had held serve, them and the MU/KU winner in the Big XII title game would have been pretty much a national title semi final..

now if OU loses here but beats the MU/KU winner.. West Virginia would slide in to the #2 ranking (assuming no MORE upsets happen).

[Swaggs]

BTW, the biggest winner of the OU-Texas Tech result if that stays the same? West Virginia.

If OU had held serve, them and the MU/KU winner in the Big XII title game would have been pretty much a national title semi final..

now if OU loses here but beats the MU/KU winner.. West Virginia would slide in to the #2 ranking (assuming no MORE upsets happen).

I will be rooting for Oklahoma and/or Texas to win out after today. Well, and West Virginia, of course.. :)

[st.cronin]

(assuming no MORE upsets happen).

That's actually the only thing that could happen that would surprise me.

[SirFozzie]

That's a HUGE review.

And they didn't take any time to say "play stands".. wow.

[Swaggs]

By the way... how have we not talked about what a ridiculous season Michael Crabtree, a true freshman btw, is having?

Dude has 125 (by my unoffical count) receptions for 1800 yards and 21 TDs.

[ISiddiqui]

This announcer (OU-Texas Tech game) is a moron. How many times have we heard by various announcers that you have to control the football all the way to the ground? And now because he saw him have his hands on the ball with his foot in the end zone, it's ok, even though the ball wasn't in his hands went he hit the ground?

[Galaxy]

I think Crabtree should be a Heisman finalist. Leading the nation by far in yards.

[SirFozzie]

That should be the ball game.

edit: You gotta be shitting me. 34-27 on a long jump ball pass and a TD.. OU is like a movies slasher killer.. you keep thinking they're dead, and they get up and start going again.

[Celeval]

"should be"

[st.cronin]

I would not wager much money that Tech will hold on for the win.

[SirFozzie]

And finally, OU is dead. D-E-D, Dead! (yes, spelling intentional)

[SirFozzie]

That defines a passing team btw, they even take kneel downs in a shotgun-style snap :)

[Huckleberry]

Absurd playcalling in the first half cost OU.

They lost their good QB and a pretty bad backup is called on. Tech's run defense is terrible.

So they throw it all around the stadium.

They should have run it nonstop. They would have won. Murray primarily, but Brown and Patrick if necessary.

[kingnebwsu]

Michigan fans, I drink from your tears.

If at the beginning of the season you'd offered me an 11-1 season, a bone crunching win over Michigan, and a Rose Bowl bid I'd have taken it in a heartbeat. I don't understand all the negativity towards Ohio State. All we did was go out on the field and earn the Rose Bowl in what was supposed to be a rebuilding season. At this point I really don't care about all that BCS nonsense. We won the Big 10 outright, spanked the Wolverines, and are Pasadena bound. I'm a pretty darn happy man.

I'm a very happy Buckeye fan too. It sucks that OSU lost last week when they could have been the consensus #1 with a 12-0 record, but oh well. Just glad OSU didn't lose to michigan.

OSU needs quite a bit of help to get to #2, but this is the craziest football season of my life, so anything is possible.

PROBABLE TOP 5:

#1 LSU
#2 Kansas
#3 Missouri
#4 West Virginia
#5 Ohio State

Kansas/Mizzou will lose next week. Then OSU still needs a loss from 2 of the top 3 (LSU/Big 12 North Winner/West Virginia) to make it back. Do I think OSU is deserving of a shot at the title this year? Probably not. Do I think that any team has really shown that they deserve a shot at the title this year? No.

Just glad OSU is in the clubhouse and doesn't have to worry about playing anymore games. Tressel is looking for his 5th top 5 finish in 7 years at Ohio State. That's the most top-5 finishes for any program in the country over the last 7 years. I wouldn't trade Tressel for any other coach in the country.

Looking forward to watching the last several weeks and cheering for more upsets!

[Vegas Vic]

I've got to agree with Huckleberry. OU had numerous red zone opportunities throughout the game and came away with nothing against a horrible Texas Tech defense.

A lot of the delusional OU fans are putting this loss on Venables, the defensive coordinator, but for the most part the defense played well enough to win. Harrell averaged 5.8 yards per attempt with 2 TD's and 2 INT's on 72 pass attempts.

Edit:

As far as the Big XII South division goes, the Texas A&M/Texas game is now meaningless. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma next week, Texas goes to the championship game, regardless of what happens in their game.

Missouri and Kansas are peaking right now and playing championship caliber football, so I don't see the south winner fairing very well in the B12 championship game.

[MizzouRah]

I thought that was a TD catch by OU on that call that he was out of bounds.

[Chief Rum]

And finally, OU is dead. D-E-D, Dead! (yes, spelling intentional)

Did you spell it that way to make sure OU fans knew what you meant? :) (ducks)

[Huckleberry]

I thought that was a TD catch by OU on that call that he was out of bounds.


Nope. Straight from the rulebook (official interpretations section):

An airborne receiver must maintain control of the ball if going to the
ground in the process of completing a catch.

Clearly Iglesias didn't maintain control of the ball to the ground considering that the Tech defender had the ball when Iglesias landed.

[MizzouRah]

Nope. Straight from the rulebook (official interpretations section):



Clearly Iglesias didn't maintain control of the ball to the ground considering that the Tech defender had the ball when Iglesias landed.

Disagree, he had control of the ball when his knee touched the ground. Only when he was on the ground did the DB take the ball away.

Is the college rule different than the NFL rule? In the NFL, the would have called that a TD 10-10 times.

[Huckleberry]

Actually, in the NFL it would have been incomplete because he only got one foot in.

The DB took the ball away before they landed. A knee touching the ground does not complete the act of going to the ground. Furthermore, a receiver must maintain control of the ball after hitting the ground as well.

[Swaggs]

I'm a very happy Buckeye fan too. It sucks that OSU lost last week when they could have been the consensus #1 with a 12-0 record, but oh well. Just glad OSU didn't lose to michigan.

OSU needs quite a bit of help to get to #2, but this is the craziest football season of my life, so anything is possible.

PROBABLE TOP 5:

#1 LSU
#2 Kansas
#3 Missouri
#4 West Virginia
#5 Ohio State

Kansas/Mizzou will lose next week. Then OSU still needs a loss from 2 of the top 3 (LSU/Big 12 North Winner/West Virginia) to make it back. Do I think OSU is deserving of a shot at the title this year? Probably not. Do I think that any team has really shown that they deserve a shot at the title this year? No.

Just glad OSU is in the clubhouse and doesn't have to worry about playing anymore games. Tressel is looking for his 5th top 5 finish in 7 years at Ohio State. That's the most top-5 finishes for any program in the country over the last 7 years. I wouldn't trade Tressel for any other coach in the country.

Looking forward to watching the last several weeks and cheering for more upsets!

I think ASU jumpes Ohio State and possibly WVU if they win out. OSU's season is over, so they will be out of sight, out of mind. ASU has a marquee game against USC, that would give them a win much better than anything that OSU or WVU has.

[sooner333]

Not having watched the play again since yesterday, I thought that the ball was taken away from him after hitting the ground. It wasn't an easy call though, and I'm sure they were reviewing it longer than ABC gave them credit for (because they showed it a few times before acknowledging a review.) If Halzle threw that same pass on first down, it's a touchdown anyway and we likely tie it up later, it's not a call like Oregon which was so obvious and game-changing in every respect which you can put very much blame on officials.

Frustrating game, good fight in the offense to come back. They should have run more in the first half, I agree. Halzle isn't very good and needed some time to kind of get a feel for the game; handing off to three pretty good runners is a pretty good way to do that. But, I think when Bradford went out, Tech just sold out on the run, so maybe the plan was to keep the same plan as always. After seeing Joey throw about five passes over people, I wondered why Nichol didn't come in, but I guess he isn't ready yet even though they blew the redshirt early in the season.

Funny thing about the BCS is that everyone who was a Tech fan this week (except Texas fans) will become OU fans for the Championship game (if OU makes it) over KU or Mizzou. BTW, this season is starting to give me shades of Texas' last season down the stretch. Redshirt Freshman QB goes out with concussion, lose on the road to a middle of the road conference team. Now we have to play at home against our in-state rival.

Anyway, unlike the Oregon loss, the rest of the country doesn't benefit nearly as much since the North still controls its own destiny, the only good thing is that the Big 12 doesn't anymore at the top since Oklahoma or Texas could come in and beat the North team in two weeks in San Antonio.

If LSU wins out, I feel sorry for the fanbase of whoever goes down to interact with those cocky, no good cajuns they call "fans"

[CU Tiger]

BC to the ACC title game. Harper took them out of making that three to tie with that sack.

Dammitt.
Opportunity wasted.
Absolutely dominateed the first 3 quarters but failed to put points on the board.

Not sure how it looked on TV but was a great atmosphere.

I sincerely hope I dont hear one tiger fan start calling for the coaches head, like we are so prone to do.

In the last drive Kelly drops a ball that hits him in the hands inside the 5 and then Taylor and Grisham both drop first down passes that hit them in the hands. If any of those three consecutive passes is caught, the sack is irrelevent and today is a different day....

So So So disappointed...luckily I am used to it with this team.

[sooner333]

A lot of the delusional OU fans are putting this loss on Venables, the defensive coordinator, but for the most part the defense played well enough to win. Harrell averaged 5.8 yards per attempt with 2 TD's and 2 INT's on 72 pass attempts.


I don't think it's time to can Venables and I think we played defense the way we usually do against Tech. The problem is that they turned field goals and turnovers into Touchdowns. Bend but don't break is a defense that doesn't work when they put it in the endzone consistently. Part of the problem was the first half's offense inability to keep the ball and letting them run over 50 plays. You give up FG's instead of touchdowns though, and you win the football game.

BTW, I don't think the refs had any idea what happened on the incompletion in the endzone and they just made a call.

[larrymcg421]

After seeing Olivadotti run it for so many years with the Dolphins, I absolutely HATE the bend but don't break defense. It's particularly bad when you're a passing team, because you're basically inviting the other team to keep your best player off the field for a majority of the game.

[JW]

sooner333, too bad we won't get Oklahoma again. We keep winning ugly, but we keep winning, and that is the name of the game right now. Just win, no matter how.

As for LSU, they have a tough road ahead. Arkansas won't be easy, and then there is the SEC championship game, against Tennessee if they beat Kentucky, or against Georgia if Tennessee loses. And LSU fans would much rather play Tenn. than Ga. Ga. is very hot right now and an excellent team. I honestly think LSU has a tougher road to get to the BCS championship game than to win it. LSU has shown over the last few years that they are a very formidable bowl team, especially in the Sugar Bowl.

LSU fans know the Tigers are not a dominant team, not right now, not quite the same team that manhandled VT. Truth is, there is no dominant team this year. Every team remaining will struggle imo to get to the BCS title game.

And, sooner333, I'm not sure if those cocky no-good Cajuns will get to the title game this year or not, but one thing is certain. The Sooners won't be there.

[sterlingice]

You guys just keep thinking that beating Arkansas at home and Tennessee at a neutral site is "a tougher road" than beating Kansas or Missouri or Ohio State or West Virginia or Arizona State or whoever else comes calling in the title game

SI

[sooner333]

sooner333, too bad we won't get Oklahoma again. We keep winning ugly, but we keep winning, and that is the name of the game right now. Just win, no matter how.

As for LSU, they have a tough road ahead. Arkansas won't be easy, and then there is the SEC championship game, against Tennessee if they beat Kentucky, or against Georgia if Tennessee loses. And LSU fans would much rather play Tenn. than Ga. Ga. is very hot right now and an excellent team. I honestly think LSU has a tougher road to get to the BCS championship game than to win it. LSU has shown over the last few years that they are a very formidable bowl team, especially in the Sugar Bowl.

LSU fans know the Tigers are not a dominant team, not right now, not quite the same team that manhandled VT. Truth is, there is no dominant team this year. Every team remaining will struggle imo to get to the BCS title game.

And, sooner333, I'm not sure if those cocky no-good Cajuns will get to the title game this year or not, but one thing is certain. The Sooners won't be there.

True, the Sooners won't, and LSU has a pretty good shot, they have talent and they are at least better than the other team week and and week out. I would say right now they are the odds-on favorite to win it because I don't see a team out there I feel confident would beat them.

I will preface this with the fact that I didn't get to go to the Sugar Bowl in '03, but had many friends who did. I just feel bad because of the home field advantage and the fact that they might be the worst, most disgusting fan base in the nation that has no respect for opposing fans. I haven't met a single person who went down to New Orleans and had a good experience with LSU fans, only that they ran up to their grandmothers yelling in their faces and were in their face before and after the game yelling tiger bait like a bunch of assholes. I know people who would not ever go to the Sugar Bowl if LSU was playing them because of the fans. I know every fanbase has their uglies, but for LSU that is the rule, not the exception apparently.

At least OU and LSU fans agree who the real national champion was in '03 and that is the Tigers of LSU, not that team out west.

[JW]

You guys just keep thinking that beating Arkansas at home and Tennessee at a neutral site is "a tougher road" than beating Kansas or Missouri or Ohio State or West Virginia or Arizona State or whoever else comes calling in the title game

SI

You misunderstand. Considering LSU's situation right now with injuries and the such, beating Arkansas and then turning around and winning the SEC championship game is not only not a foregone conclusion, it is a very difficult proposition. No one is taking that for granted.

If LSU makes it to the BCS title game, recent history shows that LSU will be more than ready for whomever its opponent will be. Any one of the teams you named is just as good as LSU imo -- note I said there is no dominant team this year -- but I would much rather skip the next two games and take my chances against Kansas or any of the others than try to get through the next two games. That takes nothing away from those teams, which I imagine are just as good as LSU.

And sooner333, though I agree with your last sentiment, I have been to numerous LSU games home and away over the last 39 years, since I first saw LSU play in 1968. I have never in all that time seen the kind of behavior you attribute to LSU fans despite their reputation. But I have seen a lot of trashy behavior from opposing fans. At Oxford yesterday, for example, Ole Miss fans were warned more than once about throwing things on the field, including throwing things at the LSU band as it left the field. All this while security ringed the LSU fan sections near the field.

Many folks seem to take the "Tiger Bait" yell as intimidation. But the people yelling "Tiger Bait" are very likely to offer you some food and drink if you don't run off scared.

And I have actually been present at the birth of several LSU fan myths. There is a very famous myth about LSU fans attacked the Notre Dame band bus at the INdependence Bowl in Shreveport a few years ago. NB band members said they feared for their lives as hundreds of LSU fans raged around their buses. I was right there when the buses pulled up. Some LSU fans stood around the bus yelling Tiger Bait and a couple did bang on the side of the bus. But I thought absolutely nothing about it until I read some internet postings about how LSU fans had attacked the ND band bus.

But otoh it is good to have a rep.

[MizzouRah]

Actually, in the NFL it would have been incomplete because he only got one foot in.

The DB took the ball away before they landed. A knee touching the ground does not complete the act of going to the ground. Furthermore, a receiver must maintain control of the ball after hitting the ground as well.

One could argue he was pushed out of the end zone, thus it could have been called a TD in the NFL.

It was a tough call and I still maintain he caught the ball, had one foot in and then after all that happened, the DB took the ball away. Possession of the ball, one foot in = TD.

[MJ4H]

You misunderstand. Considering LSU's situation right now with injuries and the such, beating Arkansas and then turning around and winning the SEC championship game is not only not a foregone conclusion, it is a very difficult proposition. No one is taking that for granted.

If LSU makes it to the BCS title game, recent history shows that LSU will be more than ready for whomever its opponent will be. Any one of the teams you named is just as good as LSU imo -- note I said there is no dominant team this year -- but I would much rather skip the next two games and take my chances against Kansas or any of the others than try to get through the next two games. That takes nothing away from those teams, which I imagine are just as good as LSU.

And sooner333, though I agree with your last sentiment, I have been to numerous LSU games home and away over the last 39 years, since I first saw LSU play in 1968. I have never in all that time seen the kind of behavior you attribute to LSU fans despite their reputation. But I have seen a lot of trashy behavior from opposing fans. At Oxford yesterday, for example, Ole Miss fans were warned more than once about throwing things on the field, including throwing things at the LSU band as it left the field. All this while security ringed the LSU fan sections near the field.

Many folks seem to take the "Tiger Bait" yell as intimidation. But the people yelling "Tiger Bait" are very likely to offer you some food and drink if you don't run off scared.

And I have actually been present at the birth of several LSU fan myths. There is a very famous myth about LSU fans attacked the Notre Dame band bus at the INdependence Bowl in Shreveport a few years ago. NB band members said they feared for their lives as hundreds of LSU fans raged around their buses. I was right there when the buses pulled up. Some LSU fans stood around the bus yelling Tiger Bait and a couple did bang on the side of the bus. But I thought absolutely nothing about it until I read some internet postings about how LSU fans had attacked the ND band bus.

But otoh it is good to have a rep.

Then there are the numerous times I have seen members of the Arkansas band hit by half full bottles of beer in Baton Rouge.

Yes, I said numerous.

[cschex]

Nice to know OU fans are still whining about the '03 Sugar Bowl. I was actually there with some friends including two OU alums and, while there were plenty of "Tiger Bait" chants, there wasn't anything that I witnessed in my three days down there that is anywhere close to what the OU fans have been claiming the last 4 years years. The whining of that fan base is incredible and it's from their coach on down.

[VPI97]

One could argue he was pushed out of the end zone, thus it could have been called a TD in the NFL.

It was a tough call and I still maintain he caught the ball, had one foot in and then after all that happened, the DB took the ball away. Possession of the ball, one foot in = TD.
Like Huckleberry mentioned, any time a receiver goes to the ground while in the process of making a catch, they have to maintain possession throughout the catch and after hitting the ground. It doesn't matter if it happens at the 50, in the end zone or falling out of bounds in the end zone. It's not an uncommon ruling.

[Atocep]

One could argue he was pushed out of the end zone, thus it could have been called a TD in the NFL.

It was a tough call and I still maintain he caught the ball, had one foot in and then after all that happened, the DB took the ball away. Possession of the ball, one foot in = TD.


It still has to be a catch. You can't fumble in the endzone, but you can drop a pass.

[JW]

Then there are the numerous times I have seen members of the Arkansas band hit by half full bottles of beer in Baton Rouge.

Yes, I said numerous.

Interesting you say that, for the nastiest fans I ever experienced were in Little Rock a few years ago when I went there to see ULM play Arkansas in War Memorial Stadium. No one had a pleasant word for me. Nobody. I got lots of profanity directed my way and toward my wife. I was cussed out just for asking directions by a couple of 30ish or 40ish Razorback fans among other things. I was totally unimpressed.

I think bad fans are everywhere, including at LSU. But I have to laugh at some of the stories about LSU fans.

[MJ4H]

And I have to laugh at some of the bottles of beer that hit my friends. I guess I don't have a choice.

ETA: but your point that everywhere has bad fans is absolutely true.

[JW]

Carr retirement from Michigan confirmed. No surpirse there. Among other things, another distraction for LSU. Nothing new there either. The rumors are already flying. They will be further accelerated now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071118/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_michigan_carr;_ylt=AgAh4bxFQKLIvO3CeuvP_qQkybQF

[JW]

And I have to laugh at some of the bottles of beer that hit my friends. I guess I don't have a choice.

ETA: but your point that everywhere has bad fans is absolutely true.

You sure they weren't urine bags? The legend is that LSU fans fill plastic bags full of urine before games to throw at opposing fans. I've never seen one of the mythical urine bags, but I'm sure things have been dumped on opposing fans at Tiger Stadium.

[k0ruptr]

Hawaii wins, and yet again drops in the polls.

[Buccaneer]

Hawaii barely beats a mediocre team, and was lucky to have not dropped further in the polls.

Fixed.

[dawgfan]

Hawaii wins, and yet again drops in the polls.
Look at their schedule so far and how close some of those wins have been against mediocre (at best) to bad teams and tell me why they deserve to be higher?

Hawaii will get their chances to impress voters in the next two weeks, and wins over both Boise and Washington should bump them up quite a bit. Not enough for the BCS title game more than likely (they simply need to produce a better out of conference schedule before that'll happen), but probably a BCS bowl.

[k0ruptr]

The main problem I have is , Hawaii wins, USC doesnt play, therefore that equals USC jumping us? yea that makes a ton of sense.