GroupThink II: 2002 Preseason -- We still have positions open!

[Tasan]

Okay I think we should move to a new thread. Lets get things going here.

[Tasan]

We need to set ticket prices and get into free agency. I'll set tickets to around the prices of Dallas and New Orleans.

Once thats done, I'll repost the files and we'll start looking at free agency.

[Tasan]

Ticket prices are as follows:

Upper deck: 26
End Zone: 32
Mezzanine: 39
Sidelines: 55
Club Seats: 152
Boxes: 60,000

The link above points to the updated files now.

[strait8]

I'm here Tasan

[strait8]

I'm still getting pre free agency

[Tasan]

hrm, must be a caching problem, as I just cleared everything, downloaded, and it was at the 'continue free agency' button for me. I'll post a link for a differently named file.

[Tasan]

Here is the new link (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-freeagency.zip) for the files.

[strait8]

Apollo ready for lift off Houston

[Tasan]

Okay, we need ideas on FAs, you guys are the scouts and coordinators, who do you want?

[Neel]

I will download the new file when I get home (where the game is), but as far as FA...
I can't see the file yet of course, but if we plan to address a franchise QB with the first pick in the draft, we should look at picking up at least two good OL prospects here, as well as DL and CB if it looks good....

My log in from home is ND not Neel, so I will post more after I look it over.

[strait8]

At the top of my list are my expensive but not top price free agents.

Jake Kolski DE
Michael Johan DT

These guys are cornerstones of the defence. give me your thoughts in regard to all-around talent versus cost on these two.

Other Mid-Low price free agents who I see as statrers:

Samuel Flynn FS
or Martin Coppa FS
William Dowell DE
JR Roupernian DE Maybe full time or designated rusher Take a little later if available.
Troy Shelton DT (super bargain)
Kyle Krone MLB
Russel Geer (Backup MLB)
Peter Beam SLB
Max kondovski WLB
Dominic Ding backup WLB good bargain
Marcus Kuffrey CB
james bailey CB
Ike Adamski SS

Bargain "future potential" URFA 1st yr FA's
these guys should be offered 2 yr contracts with a 10K bonus. If they flop it only costs 10K. Some will make solid backups or possibly starters

trent Boren SS
Ricky Blake FS
bart edmonston DT
Tracy Lee
Wesley bradley
Wade Rosenthiel DT
Warren Carter DE
Louis Forman CB
Bryant Willis CB

[strait8]

I can hear Neel screaming now. I like what we did last time Tasan.

Was it two #1 and 3 #2"s

Thoughts please gentlemen

[Tasan]

Sorry I havn't chimed in yet, I've been out of town and just now got a chance to fire up the laptop.

What we did last time was trade our 1-1 (round 1 pick 1) for the 1-2, 2-2, 3-2, then the 1-2 for the 1-4, 2-4, 3-4, then picked at 4, then traded the 2-2, 3-2, 3-4 for the 1-10, giving us 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and our third, a pretty good haul.

We could try this again, or stay where we are and pick or try something else, I'm open. I gotta install fof4 on the lapop now, update, grab the file, then look at those fas you mentioned.

[strait8]

Shall we hook up today?

[ND]

Trading down is cool. Multi picks is better for us at this point if we can not land a couple of franchise guys...

I don't mind going heavy of Def. at first. It could give our Offense time to gel.

[ND]

Tasan, if you can pull off a heavy trade down bounty again such as you listed, that would work great for us.

[ND]

Some FA's that look interesting...

Roman Flaschen QB
Kenny Quaal QB
Christian Daniels QB
Archie Scherer QB

Nathan Mullaney LG
Mitch Aleman LG
Neal Lake LT

[strait8]

Higher priced FA
Damon Spano Transition QB 15 years
Croft WR best receiver on the board not over priced
Wood WR looks good

Mid priced experienced players

Slezak TE
Lockwood TE
Perch C
Clements WR
Coffman WR
Meechan G
Dillingham FB
Dietz RB
Fontana Grubb QB lots of potential and a solid backup

First year FA's

I concur with Neel on:
Mullaney G
Lake T

I like Raffensperger G
Ellis QB
James HB
Upton TE

[Tasan]

Okay I will start putting offers on guys a little later today. It will be all the guys listed here, as long as the money is reasonable.

[strait8]

I like the look of UFRA's listed above. I do not think we can count on them as more than backups. I have found this from personal experience. Sometimes they surprise you but not often.

We should try to define a mid priced vetran at all positions and sign them. This will mean we will probably have to cut some of the expansion draft losers to fit all the draft choices if we trade down.

I did this and ended up with about 14 mil of cap room at the beginning of the season. Our extra draft choices will not add much burden, so we should be ok.

[Neel]

That strait8 sounds like a sound plan.

[Tasan]

give me a player at each position and i'll sign them. i like most of the guys you guys have mentioned already.

remember my job is to write the checks and provide guidance. gimmie some more names ;- )

[Neel]

Tasan, is the latest file posted right now?

[Tasan]

yeah

[strait8]

Hi Tasan:

Here are my choices by position. Of these, 4 are expensive Spano QB Croft WR Johann DT and Koski DE. I think the two defensive guys are the cornerstone of the defensive line, Spano is a two year QB who will steal us a couple of games and Croft looks like a decent receiver to go with the only good expansion player we signed.

Tapley and Crone are also Mid high price as is Perch. I think all are affordable.

In the case of needing two of a position like G or WR we should sign both vets.

The rest are mid priced or down right steals.

QB Damon Spano Christian Daniels

RB Dave Dietz 2) Bryan Hurst

FB Patrick Dillingham 2) Dennis Jolly

TE Kendrick Legge 2) Ron Slezak

WR freddie Croft 2)Mike Nikaido 3) Dante Wood

C Ray Perch, 2) Tony Goldman

G Larry Meecham 2) Jason Heath

T Andre White 2) Chris Ellis

DEFENCE

DE Jake Kolski 2) William Dowell

DT Michael Johann Troy Shelton

MLB Kyle Crone 2) Nick Darnick 3) Willie Whittington

OLB Tim tapley 2) Peter Beam 3) Scott Raspberry

CB Marcus Cuffrey 2) Corey Stephan 3) Bryan Bozarth

S Martin Coppa 2) Cedric Newville 3) Samuel Flynn

The ball is in your court Tasan

[strait8]

I see you are online

[Tasan]

QB Damon Spano signed with Atlanta in the first week. WR Fred Croft got a better offer from Cincy also, and I upped our initial offer. Several players signed with us in week 1

No defections in week 2, and several more signings by us.

Week 3 saw OLB Tapley consider an offer from Indy, and FB Dillingham consider one from Pittsburgh, I bumped up our offers on both a little.

OLB Tapley signed with detroit in week 4 for just a hair over what we had offered. Punk. Several more players signed with us though, and we had no more defections. I put an offer on OLB Beam.

Week 6 sees OLB Beam consider a SIX year offer from Cincy, which is crazy. We'll adjust our 4 year offer, and find a backup option in case. I backload the offer to Beam to give us some flexibility too. Several more players sign.

Week 7 sees Beam get ANOTHER 6 year offer from the Saints this time. Wow. 2 more players sign with us, leaving us with 3 offers pending, 2 of which are just considering us.

Week 8 is gone and we are down to Beam and CB Bradley considering offers, with Beam still stuck on the Saints crazy offer. Heck guy, stick 'em for those 6 years!

Week 9 passes and now only Beam remains, still stuck on the Saints offer.

Week 10 goes by, and on Saturday night we get a phone call. Its Peter Beam, he says he wants to talk, and he's got a new agent. By midnight, we have our deal. Beam will be tackling players for us this year.

This concludes our current signing stretch. We got everyone we wanted except for QB Spano. There aren't many QBs left out there, so we'll probably roll with who we have right now and maybe a draft pick.

We are at week 11 in the FA process, and have about 22 mil left. I'll take suggestions for further signings, or we can sit on the 58(!) players we have under contract and await the draft, where we will pick up 7-9 more players. I'm already working the phones trying to trade around a bit to see what we can get.

[Tasan]

New file is here (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-week11FA.zip) .

[strait8]

Hi Tasan

Good Job. Too Bad about Spano.

I would do suggest the following. Cut the 7 listed below to take to 51.

Cedric ferguson
TJ herek
Antonio Sedor
Peter Pizr
Terry White
Kevin Wicox
Ed Tyrell

These are all guys we would cut anyway. This will also free more cap space.

We do not have atrue WLB. I would like to take a crack at Max Kondovski who is looking a lot more affordable now. Also Michael Peterson at DT looks like a steal now.

Neel may see a couple more for offence he wants. If so we might have to prune a few more before the draft.

[Tasan]

We can actually be way over 60 at the draft, we just need to be under 60 by training camp. I do agree though, that there are plenty of easy cuts, most of the guys taken in expansion can go.

[strait8]

Have you taken free agency any further forward?

[Tasan]

I was waiting to see if Neel spoke up. I guess not. I'll advance it now.

[Tasan]

The Turk came and visited 7 players, and now we are at 51. I put offers on TE Marcus Welch, OLB Max Kondovski, and DT Michael Pederson. Welch signed that week, and after considering a 6 year offer from Oakland, Kondovski signed a 3 year deal with us on week 13, along with Pederson. That puts us at 54 players before the draft, and still 19 million under the cap. I'm stopping player signing for now. We'll look at things after the draft and see who's available then.

[Tasan]

New file is here (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-predraft.zip)

[strait8]

There is always just scraps available after this firstdraft so we better be sure that we are covered at most positions.

As far as the draft goes our biggest needs are QB, WR CB and OT I think.

What is your take?

[Tasan]

Okay my favorite target in this draft looks like JaJuan Pressley, RB. He's gonna be a stud to help us get through the tough times. I don't think a good QB will be available if we trade down far.

[strait8]

I bet both Zumdahl and Ingersoll are available at No.2. Pressley will be available at No.4 possibly as low as N0. 10.

I'd make the first trade and see who carolina picks.

[strait8]

Do you want to go for one offensive and one defensive player or use the draft to beef up the offence.

[Tasan]

I think the offense really needs work right now, we could land either a top OT or QB with the #4 pick if we go that low.

[strait8]

I'm sure thats ok with Neel. So lets go.

[Tasan]

We start the draft by dealing our 1-1 to Carolina for the 1-2, 2-2, 3-2, and 4-2. Whew.

There pick:

1. Carolina - Zumdahl, Spencer, QB, Oregon

[strait8]

I was sure they would go for defence or possibly Roddy (OT).
I have been so wrong,

Great trade 4 for 1. You know Detroit will take Ingersoll so do we trade down again? I say we do

[Tasan]

Should we try to go to 3 or screw over Detroit and go to 4, and Buffalo will take Ingersoll? Either way, we get one of the stud OTs.

[Tasan]

Moot point, Detroit won't deal their top 3 picks for it, so we pass on them and go to 4.

Deal to Buffalo:

Houston 1-2 (via Carolina) for Buffalo 1-4, 2-4, 3-4, 4-4

We are really picking up the mid level picks. I think Buffalo really wants a QB because they lost theirs in FA.

[strait8]

Lets go and make the trade at for 3-1. I really like Brandon Roddy more than Hunt.
Just get enough extrapicks to insure we get a another #1,

[Tasan]

2 and 3:

2. Buffalo - Ingersoll, Robert, QB, Fresno State
3. Detroit - Wirthel, Bernardo, DT, Tennessee


We have our choice of OTs, or some other quality players.

[strait8]

I like Roddy here and pressley lower. but you are the GM go for it.
I will be offline for about 45 minutes while I go home for dinner.

[Tasan]

Yeah I think Roddy will be the pick here, he's just too phenominal to pass on, even though Hunt is Idolized by Fans.

[Tasan]

So here we are:

2. Buffalo - Ingersoll, Robert, QB, Fresno State
3. Detroit - Wirthel, Bernardo, DT, Tennessee
4. Houston - Roddy, Brandon, T, Miami, Florida

[Tasan]

Now that I look at teams to come, I've got a bad feeling about Dallas. They are real weak at RB, with their best RB being a 13 year vet. They will take the 2-2, 2-4, 3-2 and 3-4 to get us to 1-6, but are we definately locked into that RB?

One option would be to just let things go til mid to late 1st, trade in there at a lower price and pick RB Brad Kozempel, if we really want a good RB. Or we can wait and trade with Cincy at 10, they want 2-2, 3-2, 3-4 or 2-2, 3-2, 4-2, 4-4

[strait8]

I don't like Kozempel. Of the top four backs he is the slowest and has the least power. I like Grzecki better. He defintely should be at 10.
Give up the 2 4th rounders.

[Tasan]

I think we can probably trade in the high teens (18-19) and get Grzecki. So we definately don't want to spend big to get back into things at #6? I'm fine with that, but I don't see a comment on it.

[strait8]

Lets trade down again then to maybe #10-14. Can we get more second rounders. I think the quality of the draft drops dramatically after the third round so I think we should trade the two #4's.

[Neel]

Hey guys, I have to go out of town for a day, but I see things are moving nicely.

I like the trading down your doing, it is good to have more picks...

We could take Kozempel and still be OK at RB for now.

[Tasan]

okay the offense has spoken, and he likes koz, which i kinda lean towards too.

[strait8]

Make the choice offensive Guru's

[Tasan]

Heheheh

Okay, we got a better deal at 1-12, so I traded Arizona our 2-2 (from Carolina), 4-2 (from Carolina), 4-4 (from Buffalo), and the 5-1 for the 1-12. We lose late picks but keep a lot of 2s and 3s, which will be more useful. We picked Koz at 1-12.

5. San Diego - Hunt, Todd, T, Texas
6. Dallas - Pressley, JaJuan, RB, Boston College
7. New Jersey - Jones, Tyreese, DT, Tennessee
8. Kansas City - Armstrong, Kevin, DE, Syracuse
9. Jacksonville - Petrolis, Shawn, DE, North Carolina
10. Cincinnati - Cicci, Simeon, T, Nebraska
11. Indianapolis - Robertson, Edward, DT, Missouri
12. Houston - Kozempel, Brad, RB, UCLA

[Tasan]

Through the first round:

13. New Orleans - Jones, Ralph, C, Ohio State
14. Tennessee - Colaianne, Michael, T, Colorado
15. New York - Gaden, Steve, T, Ohio State
16. Green Bay - Ensley, Donnell, DT, Northwestern
17. Atlanta - Carter, Kurt, QB, Virginia Tech
18. Washington - Kooiker, Cliff, DE, Southern California
19. Denver - Flynn, Donnie, WR, Florida
20. Seattle - Dean, Jack, DE, Notre Dame
21. Tampa Bay - Mikeska, Ray, RB, Miami, Florida
22. New Jersey - Georgopulos, Adam, CB, Miami, Florida
23. Oakland - Grzecki, Cade, RB, Michigan State
24. Baltimore - Marshall, Victor, T, Akron
25. Miami - Clark, Scott, DT, Wisconsin
26. Philadelphia - Smith, Mark, OLB, Washington State
27. San Francisco - Pientka, K.D., DT, UCLA
28. Green Bay - Wuagneux, Elijah, G, Virginia
29. Chicago - Briggs, Glenn, RB, Georgia Southern
30. Pittsburgh - Sarnow, Richard, G, Alabama St.
31. St. Louis - Cooper, Pat, ILB, Notre Dame
32. New England - Henderson, Steven, T, Missouri

I'm not going to post a new file, we should be able to work from here.

[Neel]

Koz will rock...

[strait8]

Offence
Kris Lucidio WR looks like a mature receiver who could help us

Ray Chabala RB looks like a sleeper to me. Good potential and solid now. Make a great backup for our 1st pick

shaun Oshiro TE the best of the TE class

Defence
Amari Jarrett I project him as a corner back. he would help us there.

Delvin Groh Also a great corner back candidate or even as a safety.


exactly what #2's and #3's do we have?

[Tasan]

We have 2-1, 2-4, 3-1, 3-2, 3-4.

[strait8]

Who do you guys like?

[Tasan]

WR Kris Lucido looks real good here, and C Phillip Nicholas looks good too. DE Anthony Blankenhorn has nice potential for the second round as well, and DT Jay Taylor only lacks endurance to be a top DT. WLB Lamont Kiely looks to be a solid candidate to move to MLB or SLB. Safety is real deep and several could be CBs, but they'll take about 5% hit to their ratings to move there.

[strait8]

I like Nicholas but only as a guard where we take about a 6% hit. We have a starting center and i would look for a backup in round 3.

I like george radlick Better than lamont kiely. He is better against the run (potentially) and as a pass rusher.

I'll pass on both Blakenship and Taylor till round 3. I'd rather have Groh or jarrett. They have so much more potential even with a position change hit. We need help in ythe Defensive backfield.

I would go Lucidio before Nicholas. I am certain that jarrett converts to DB at 95% so I want him.

[Tasan]

Are you looking at the right Kiely? I see Kiely as having a 80 potential in run defense and a 92 in punishing hitter, two good qualities in run stuffing. I see Radlick at 56 for Run D, and 100 for hitting. Radlick's endurance is also showing to be lower than Kiely in the long run. The pass rushing is definatly in Radlick's favor though.

So should we pick WR Lucido and which ever S Strait8 wants? Neel I'd like to hear from you about the offensive picks here.

[strait8]

I like my WLB to be a pass rusher first. Though I like both of these guys they will be subs to Kondovski. I think in this round we are still looking for starters, otherwise why trade down.

Thats why I want a DB first. I want Jarret. If we miss him then I'll re-evaluate.

I think Lucidio would also definitely start for us.

[Tasan]

Here's how round 2 went:

33. Houston - Lucido, Kris, WR, Hawaii
34. Arizona - Groh, Delvin, S, Oklahoma
35. Detroit - Walkley, Javon, CB, Wisconsin
36. Houston - Amari, Jarrett, S, Miami, Florida
37. San Diego - Nicholas, Phillip, C, Maryland
38. Dallas - Edgeworth, Dwayne, T, Notre Dame
39. Minnesota - Radlick, George, OLB, Colorado
40. Kansas City - Lau, Ray, ILB, North Carolina State
41. Jacksonville - Seeley, Dave, ILB, Virginia Tech
42. Cincinnati - Richards, Brenden, S, Boston College
43. Indianapolis - Taylor, Jay, DT, Angelo State
44. Arizona - Madrigal, Xavier, CB, Miami, Florida
45. New Orleans - Blankenhorn, Anthony, DE, Louisville
46. Tennessee - Chabala, Raymond, RB, Ohio State
47. New York - Covington, Ralph, DT, California
48. Cleveland - Grodin, Matty, DT, SW Texas St.
49. Atlanta - Yellope, Zachary, CB, New Mexico State
50. Washington - Singleton, Bennie, QB, Western Washington
51. Denver - Hirshberg, Jeremy, DT, Clemson
52. Seattle - Suhocki, Lynn, S, North Carolina State
53. Tampa Bay - Merriday, Bethel, G, Nebraska
54. New Jersey - Kiely, Lamont, OLB, Northwestern
55. Oakland - Hutton, Fred, QB, Auburn
56. Baltimore - Toll, Tim, QB, Iowa
57. New York - Whipkey, Matt, CB, Virginia Tech
58. Philadelphia - Rice, Omar, DE, Hampton
59. San Francisco - Hughes, Tracy, T, Northern Illinois
60. Green Bay - Kassotis, Roderick, T, William Penn
61. Chicago - Schwartz, George, QB, Ark. - Pine Bluff
62. Pittsburgh - Schwartz, Dean, DT, Fresno State
63. St. Louis - Payne, Donald, DE, Mississippi State
64. New England - Bellevue, Ethan, CB, Western Kentucky

[Tasan]

We now have 3 of the next 4 picks, so who do we want?

[strait8]

give us the top ten on the draft screen. It's hard to do it this way.

[Tasan]

Doh, I meant to post the file, I figured we had gone far enough that we needed it. It'll be up here in a sec.

[Tasan]

Here (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-round3draft.zip) is the new file.

[strait8]

Here are my choices based on need balanced against available talent I think:

Matt Dixon FB-Starter
Eric kraiger ILB I think also could be SLB-Backup
Jimmie Packard-C Backup.
Saun oshiro TE Backup
Frank Anderko WR Backup

I will be back online in about 45 minutes. I have to go out.

[Hobbit]

Hi, I just joined this board tonight... May I join this GroupThink? =) Assuming the answer is yes here are my thoughts...

Kurt Ziegler RB - a bit small and one dimensional (won't help catch out of the backfield) but probably the best pure runner on the board.

Matt Dixon FB - I'd prefer a better blocker but can contribute on special teams and as a short yardage runner.

Roman Molden SE - a bit of a reach but I like his potential on kick returns.

Chad Zapisek TE - don't need a te, but he punishes people on special teams!

[strait8]

Glad to have you aboard Hobbit. I think everyone's split.
pick a position or scouting job or both you like. Its on an earlier GT2 thread.

I will look at your suggestions. I'm defensive Co-ord so I won't make the final decision on any of these choices.

i'd like a better nlocker at FB too, but I really don't see a better package than Dixon

[Tasan]

Matt Dixon FB -- A nice FB, about as good as it gets in this draft
Eric kraiger ILB -- I like this guy, but with the low Run Stop, I see him as an outside guy
Jimmie Packard-C -- His strength is the only thing that worries me
Saun oshiro TE -- nice rounded TE for this part of the draft
Frank Anderko WR -- Nice 3rd or 4th receiver with only one flaw
Kurt Ziegler RB -- I like this guy as a runner, but his fumbling might hurt
Roman Molden SE -- nice returner, but I'll only take him if he's around later
Chad Zapisek TE -- I really like this guy, but he might bust.

I'll make a decision from this list here soon. Welcome aboard Hobbit, it'll be nice to have another voice on here. Neel where are you!?!

[strait8]

Tasan:

I am back from being in Seattle allday. There were no Neel sightings. Maybe he went to Florida too.

[Tasan]

I'm torn as to what to do with the rest of the draft. Part of me says to try and trade down the 3-4 for something in the 20s and use the 6-1 and 7-1 to pick up another 4 in the process. I just see the talent really dropping off quick here.

That would give us 2 1s, 2 2s, 3 3s, and 2 4s that we would have used in the draft, 9 picks in the first 128 picks.

[strait8]

I agree on the drop off.

Who are your two choices at this time. What would you get for trading down here in the way of extra picks?

i think there are 3 good players either here or as low as 3-20 from our list. so trade away

If you can add an extra player higher its better than 2 stiffs lower

[Tasan]

My two choices are the ILB and one of the TEs, I'm still not sure which one. I'm almost certain the FB will be there at the end of 3 or the start of 4. Then we can grab the backup center and maybe one of the WRs, or something else.

[strait8]

Go for it.

[strait8]

I like Oshiro. He was the best TE of the class. getting him nere is a steal.

[Tasan]

alright then, I'll grab him and the ILB, and then work the phones.

[Tasan]

Here's the deal I could pull:

3-4, 6-1, 7-1 for San Fran's 3-27 and 4-27.

I picked TE Oshiro and ILB Kariger with 3-1 and 3-2.

These guys from our list are still there:
Matt Dixon FB
Jimmie Packard-C
Kurt Ziegler RB
Roman Molden SE

[Tasan]

And this is the round so far:

65. Houston - Oshiro, Shaun, TE, Nebraska
66. Houston - Kariger, Eric, ILB, Oklahoma State
67. Detroit - Razor, Mercury, DE, Charleston Southern
68. San Francisco - Hodson, Lenny, RB, North Dakota State
69. San Diego - Leonavicius, Bobbie, DT, Virginia Tech
70. Dallas - Particelli, Austin, DT, UNLV
71. Minnesota - Barckert, Harrison, WR, Auburn
72. Kansas City - Bridges, Kelly, CB, Nebraska
73. Jacksonville - Valentino, Sammie, T, Virginia Tech
74. New England - Congdon, Jessie, DE, Tennessee
75. Indianapolis - Zapisek, Chad, TE, Colorado
76. Arizona - Reilly, Howard, QB, Stony Brook
77. New Orleans - St. Clair, Corwin, CB, Boston University
78. Tennessee - Anderko, Frank, WR, Southern University
79. New York - Wood, Billy, ILB, Hofstra
80. Cleveland - Foland, Scott, G, Auburn
81. Atlanta - Hill, David, RB, Virginia
82. Washington - Corcoran, Jerome, RB, North Carolina State
83. Denver - Everett, Emmanuel, T, Ohio State
84. Seattle - McDermid, Cedric, DE, Texas A&M
85. Tampa Bay - Johns, Trevor, WR, Virginia Tech
86. New Jersey - Domis, Shayne, RB, Cincinnati
87. Oakland - Stelmack, Luther, ILB, New Mexico
88. Baltimore - Smith, Morris, WR, Pittsburgh
89. Miami - Walker, Cecil, RB, Texas Tech
90. Philadelphia - Wells, Pat, CB, Oregon

[Tasan]

One thing I noticed about our roster is that we have no guards. Well we have guards, but they are real big question marks.

[Tasan]

I found a decent G, P.D. Morris. Let me know what you think about him. FYI, C to G loses 14%.

[strait8]

I think its a coin flip between Morris and the FB. Your the Gm you call it.

[Hobbit]

thanks, strait8! i couldn't find the thread you refered to. perhaps i'll just watch from the sidelines for a while...

[strait8]

no please join in. I think tasan would like to make you asst offensive Co-ordinator

[Hobbit]

strait8,

sounds good, thanks...

i'm not sure how often i can post so the whole assistant to the assistant thing is a good idea! ;)

[strait8]

You can share the job with Neel and take over the defence if I'm away

[Tasan]

LOL...someone needs to 'share' the job with Neel.... You hear that pal, I'm callin you out Neel!!!

[strait8]

I think there are better free agent guards available than Morris. I think Frietas hsa more potential. i like the guys we have. Go for other position Tasan

[Tasan]

Here's the rest of the draft. I didn't see anyone really worth trading a pick next year for, so just sat back and watched after our last pick in the 4th.

91. Houston - Ziegler, Kurt, RB, Minnesota
92. Green Bay - Jalbert, Trent, OLB, Oregon State
93. Chicago - Hickl, Stanley, T, Rutgers
94. Pittsburgh - Finger, Warren, QB, South Carolina
95. St. Louis - Howard, Greg, CB, Florida
96. New England - Monk, Rashad, DE, Tennessee
97. Houston - Dixon, Matt, FB, Auburn
98. Arizona - Martin, Bracy, G, South Carolina
99. Detroit - Taute, Jeremiah, WR, Minnesota
100. Arizona - Kingry, Pat, C, Kansas State
101. San Diego - Garrett, Riddick, DT, Pennsylvania
102. Dallas - Woolfolk, James, WR, Alabama
103. New Jersey - Fleming, Glenn, S, Nebraska
104. Kansas City - Molden, Roman, WR, Michigan
105. Jacksonville - Dooley, Corey, WR, West Virginia
106. Cincinnati - Allen, Jermaine, WR, Northern Illinois
107. Indianapolis - Stephens, Marcel, T, Syracuse
108. Arizona - Suliven, Kyle, ILB, Texas
109. New Orleans - Krueger, Jim, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
110. Tennessee - Apotsos, Chris, DT, Northwestern
111. New England - Sanders, Butch, DT, Northwestern
112. Cleveland - Orchard, David, T, Miami, Florida
113. Atlanta - Rodriguez, Derek, DT, UAB
114. Washington - Cantrall, David, DE, UAB
115. Denver - Moore, Graham, OLB, Stanford
116. Seattle - Demyan, Emmett, T, Southern Methodist
117. Cincinnati - Maramieri, Eric, TE, Michigan State
118. New Jersey - Jarvie, Mike, DT, Nebraska
119. Oakland - Heck, Leonard, S, Washington State
120. Baltimore - Kim, Roberto, DT, Maryland
121. Miami - Glowacz, Glen, DT, Southern California
122. Philadelphia - Girard, Carl, CB, San Jose State
123. Houston - Packard, Jimmy, C, Brigham Young
124. Green Bay - Mussatti, Kory, G, Illinois
125. Chicago - Dole, Walt, CB, Illinois
126. Pittsburgh - Cypher, Dave, CB, Tuskegee
127. St. Louis - Newman, Marshall, CB, Navy
128. New England - Schumann, Jamal, RB, Eastern Washington
129. Arizona - Coster, Malvis, QB, Nevada
130. Kansas City - Jaax, Sebastian, T, Arizona State
131. Detroit - Farrar, Richard, WR, Kansas State
132. Buffalo - Grantham, Marques, WR, Louisiana State
133. San Diego - Desmond, Anthony, OLB, Ohio State
134. Dallas - McSweeny, Chris, QB, Montclair State
135. Minnesota - McCrary, Wade, T, Florida
136. Kansas City - Morris, P.D., G, San Diego State
137. Jacksonville - Pei, Juan, T, Penn State
138. Cincinnati - Brentley, Quinton, WR, Texas - El Paso
139. Indianapolis - Ruth, Marc, T, San Diego State
140. Arizona - Melaragni, Anthony, C, West Virginia
141. New Orleans - Thompson, Travis, WR, Louisville
142. Tennessee - Oliveros, Donald, G, Virginia
143. New York - Stedtefeld, Reinard, WR, Washington State
144. Cleveland - Beisel, Dexter, G, Temple
145. Atlanta - Hout, Jamin, C, Syracuse
146. Washington - Long, Tony, CB, Florida
147. Denver - Graveson, Gerald, S, Georgia
148. Seattle - Wiggins, Renaldo, T, California
149. Tampa Bay - Read, Travis, TE, Louisiana State
150. New Jersey - Basham, Josh, DE, Bowling Green
151. Oakland - Earls, Cooper, S, Colorado
152. Baltimore - Barrouquere, Kevin, DE, Auburn
153. Miami - Titone, Adam, G, Utah State
154. Philadelphia - Nofsinger, Sammy, G, Colorado State
155. San Francisco - Boivin, Jeff, G, Mississippi
156. Green Bay - Light, John, QB, Tarleton State
157. Chicago - Woodyshek, Jason, TE, Washington
158. Pittsburgh - Behan, Bill, S, West Georgia
159. St. Louis - DeBastiani, Eddie, RB, Brigham Young
160. New England - Helmuth, Michael, G, Oklahoma
161. San Francisco - Rogers, Moby, T, Boise State
162. Carolina - Murch, Lawrence, CB, Texas Christian
163. Detroit - McInerney, Todd, RB, Tennessee
164. Buffalo - Solari, Maurice, WR, Tennessee
165. San Diego - Warren, Isaiah, CB, Miami, Florida
166. Dallas - Procop, Hines, S, Washington State
167. Minnesota - Fritz, Chris, OLB, UCLA
168. Kansas City - Thelwell, Tyrone, OLB, Illinois
169. Jacksonville - Negrelli, Mark, WR, Wisconsin
170. Cincinnati - Harvill, Cornelius, FB, Fresno State
171. Indianapolis - Schader, J.C., QB, California - Davis
172. Arizona - Golalic, Perry, CB, Cincinnati
173. New Orleans - Uveges, Mark, WR, Penn State
174. Tennessee - Collier, Joey, FB, Louisiana-Lafayette
175. New York - McGregor, Benjamin, WR, Auburn
176. Cleveland - Hamrahi, Eric, FB, Tennessee
177. Atlanta - Martin, Scott, WR, Washington
178. Washington - Hawkins, Mitchell, DT, North Carolina State
179. Denver - Barry, Dan, C, Colorado
180. Seattle - Holder, Ray, P, Tulane
181. Tampa Bay - Miller, Demitrius, DE, Georgia
182. New Jersey - Griswold, Ross, DE, Purdue
183. Tampa Bay - Slade, Vernon, DE, Florida
184. Baltimore - Sheehan, Pete, DE, Virginia
185. Miami - Spears, Howard, T, Jackson State
186. Philadelphia - Walyuchow, Tony, G, Oklahoma
187. San Francisco - Blue, Craig, G, Tennessee
188. Green Bay - Graham, Morris, CB, Idaho State
189. Chicago - Benson, John, DT, West Virginia
190. Pittsburgh - Levick, Marcus, FB, Brown
191. St. Louis - Sturm, Stanley, OLB, Syracuse
192. New England - Stanley, Scottie, DT, UAB
193. San Francisco - Tracy, William, S, Louisiana Tech
194. Carolina - Larson, Dave, RB, New Mexico State
195. Detroit - White, Jason, S, Florida State
196. Buffalo - Tucker, Teddy, G, Auburn
197. San Diego - Wilson, Kyle, CB, South Carolina
198. Dallas - Triplett, Dwayne, C, California
199. Minnesota - Otero, Bruce, T, Wake Forest
200. Kansas City - Schary, Dore, OLB, Oklahoma
201. Jacksonville - Bugden, Brent, G, Youngstown State
202. Cincinnati - Bjorke, Aaron, G, Hampton
203. Indianapolis - Molina, Mike, TE, Boise State
204. Arizona - Tyworth, Kermit, S, Kansas State
205. New Orleans - Ackerman, Emmanuel, DT, Kentucky
206. Tennessee - Ducrot, Chris, OLB, North Carolina
207. New York - Anderson, Jimmy, FB, Virginia
208. Cleveland - Owens, Brant, C, Georgia
209. Atlanta - Roth, Everett, WR, Arizona State
210. Minnesota - Katzman, Robert, S, Illinois
211. Denver - Antel, Keenan, FB, Florida State
212. Seattle - Provost, David, C, Arkansas
213. Tampa Bay - Scanga, Dave, T, Jacksonville State
214. New Jersey - Sonkin, Deuce, OLB, Maryland
215. Oakland - Breaux, Preston, WR, Johnson C. Smith
216. Baltimore - Gillott, Mike, S, Texas Tech
217. Miami - Gaulin, Zach, G, Louisiana State
218. Philadelphia - Borden, Marty, P, Oregon
219. San Francisco - Stoy, David, ILB, East Carolina
220. Green Bay - Jay, Artie, FB, Boston College
221. Chicago - Mattis, Roderick, DE, Auburn
222. Pittsburgh - Farr, Heath, P, Cincinnati
223. St. Louis - Dill, Kevin, G, Gardner-Webb
224. New England - Johnstone, Troy, G, Shepherd

[Tasan]

I'm going to start cutting the dead weight so we can sign a few of these undrafted FAs before other teams get a crack at them. I'll post a file in a few minutes post draft, with cuts from me in it.

[Tasan]

Okay it seems FOF4 handles draft eligible players differently post draft that previous versions, I hadn't noticed that before. It seems it lets the computer have first pick over whoever is left, then it lets the human player go at them. The QB I wanted was signed by Baltimore, so we'll have to find another option for QB3. I picked up a kicker from the draft to compete with our year 1 guy. Whichever is better after camp we'll keep. Here is a list of our cuts:

TE Jay Veen
TE Dan Dunn
C Matt Sutton
OLB Harold Schroeder
S Chris Katz
S Terrell Kramer

File will be up shortly, we need to identify some players, like QBs and Gs, to sign before camp.

[Tasan]

Here (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-postdraft.zip) is the new file.

[strait8]

here are my choices to look at:

Quarterback
Donnie Connell
Robert Collier

These guys are the best of a mediocre lot.


Guard
Blaine Bennet
Kim Brewington
Kieth Freitas

These guys can add depth. They will make ok backups

Please sign the following two guys for me:

CB Gerald Williamson if there is room

you will have to sign this guy as the computer wants us to carry 3 ILB's.

Jimmie Bernard SILB convert to MLB.

Please convert Jarret Amari to RCB.

[Neel]

Ahh...I hear you Tasan! It is crazy, I get all kinds of crazy work assignments when I try and do something fun...

I am trying to check in, but I have a very heavy work load for now, so I will pitch in when I can.

[Tasan]

Cuts. I need recommendations of who to cut so we can sign some of these guys. I've cut some, but I think more cuts are going to need to be made, and I think anything more than the obvious ones I need some input on. I'd hate to cut someone you're wanted to hang onto.

[strait8]

You can cut Chris Miller and Adam Viragh on defence.

my selections for offence are as follows:
Pete Upton
Glen Reisinger

that should be enough to add 5-6 more to fix all positions required.

[Hobbit]

hey there,

sounds good. i've downloaded the new files and will take a look later tonight.

~ Hobbit

[Tasan]

Okay, I cut Miller, Viragh, and Reisinger. I left Upton as he shows nice potential right now, although that could very easily go way down after camp since he is one of the year 1 guys. I signed all the suggested players except for OG Bennet and QB (c)Bonnell.

I will have the file up shortly.

[Tasan]

Here (http://users3.ev1.net/~davidpr/houston-precamp.zip) is the new file. I need settings from the coaches for training as soon as possible.

Thanks.

[strait8]

Training camp Times

5:30AM Weight room
8:00 AM Pass Plays
10:30 Special Teams
11:30 Lunch
12:00PM Defenese
3:10 Run Plays
5:30 Dinner
6:20 Film Study
9:20 Team functions
11:30 Lights out

[Tasan]

Camp is run, I've moved our discussion to a new topic, and we might want to consider moving to the Dynasty board like Groupthink 1 did.

[strait8]

OK