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PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 06:54 AM
This game will start post-Thanksgiving. Roles will be sent out Sunday night with Monday morning being our beginning. Welcome to my first attempt at running a game, hopefully lots of you give it a shot and, just as importantly, hopefully it all runs smoothly!

Alright, cue the cool music, the neon, and the glitz. You are part of Danny Oceans' fabled heist crew and you've got a job to do: Knock off five classic Las Vegas casinos. Your targets: The Desert Inn, The Flamingo, The Riviera, The Sahara, and The Sands. You and your crew need to work together to pull off the ultimate score. However, Vegas being Vegas, some of your marks know of your plans. They have bought off some of your literal partners in crime and these people may work to undermine you. In addition, one among you is especially greedy and may try to pull off the entire score on his/her own. It is your job to flush out the rats (wolves), the greedy bastard (rogue), and thusly, pull off the score successfully.

Character list (names will be randomly assigned and with the exception of Danny Oceans, none of the names have any bearing on your role):
Danny Oceans
Sam Harmon
Josh Howard
Jimmy Foster
'Mushy' O'Connors
Peter Rheimer
Anthony Bergdoff
Rusty Ryan
Linus Caldwell
Virgil Malloy
Turk Malloy
Basher Tarr
Reuben Tishkoff
Frank Catton
Saul Bloom
Livingston Dell
Yen
Tess Oceans
+more if needed

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 07:03 AM
As most say, this will be your basic werewolf game with some spice (not sure if anything here is original, but we'll see).

Three teams:

Dirty Rats (wolves)
Cons (villagers)
Greedy Bastard (rogue)

The wolves and villagers will function as their normal entities. The rogue is a twist that I've added for this game. The wolves' win set is to get the game down to a 1:1 ratio, which means eliminating the rogue as well.

The villagers' win set is to defeat all the wolves and the rogue. However, the villagers have one other win set that is special to the Oceans 11 game. Each night, Danny Oceans is to PM a player's name and this person will take the lead in attempting to knock off one of the casinos. Each night five random players (may be villager, wolf or rogue) will have this ability and if Danny's choice matches, than the villagers will successfully knock off one of the casinos. If all five casinos are knocked off, the villagers score a major victory and win the game outright. However, if Danny is killed, the villagers lose this win-set opportunity.

The rogue has his/her own win-set and decisions to make. First, during the first two nights, the rogue can choose to shed his rogueness (new word there) and cast his/her dye with either of the two teams. However, if after two days, the rogue remains a rogue, then the win-set is to live to the end of the game. If, by the end of the game, there is a 1:1:1 ration, the rogue has won. If, by the end, the game has just the rogue and villagers left alive, the rogue must get it down to a 1:1 ratio to win.

Dirty Rat/Wolf Roles:
Brutal Wolf: Once lynched, you get to choose one other player to be killed with you. You will know your role from the beginning of the game.

Persuasive Wolf: You function as a regular wolf, although, at random, rather than kill your prey, your powers of persuasion bring them to the wolves' side. You will not be aware of this role until the action actually occurs. Otherwise, you will believe that you are a standard wolf.

Loyal Wolf: You function as a regular wolf, but have the ability to change one lynching from the selected candidate to the person of your choosing. You will know this role from the beginning.

The Amateur: You are new to the wolf world and are easily persuaded by the promise of riches. You are a villager but you desire getting richer. You could be converted by either the wolves or the rogue. You will appear as a villager when scanned unless you've been converted at that point.


Cons/Villagers:
Seer: You have the ability to see into others' souls. You, through nightly scans, have the ability to determine whether a character is a wolf or villager. You cannot, however, discover the identity of the rogue through a scan. They will appear to you as a simple villager.

Arrogant Seer: You THINK you have the ability to see into others' souls. However, this is sheerly from your own need to feel self-important. You actually have no more ability than Ms. Cleo and therefore, your scans will return random results.

The Veteran: You have been through wolf hunts before and have learned to defend yourself. If attacked at night or lynched, you have the power to take any other player with you. However, you must submit these moves as a part of your night actions. If the direction is not received prior to your demise, your power will have gone to waste.

The Bodyguard: Each night, you can use your power to protect another player. However, you cannot protect the same player two nights in a row. Furthermore, being the selfless person that you are, you cannot protect yourself either.

The Peeping Tom: You are lonely and as such, spend your nights observing and watching the actions of others. Each night, you can choose to follow one player to see what they do. However, you cannot follow the same person two nights in a row.

The Persuader: You can change the lynch results one time to a player of your choosing.


The Rogue-
You do have some powers in this game. After the second night, you develop the will and power to kill. Each night, you can submit one player to be killed. If successful, that person will be removed from the game. There might be times that you and the wolves choose to kill the same player, if this happens, you risk the wolves discovering your identity.


Items (can be passed to other players)-
Knife: If possessed, the knife can allow you to fend off an attack. If lynched while in possession of the knife, you may choose to fight off your attackers, although this could have a drastic impact. This order must come via PM. Once used, it is gone.

Syringe: If possessed and used, this can effect the action that someone takes against you at night. However, this too could have a drastic impact. For example, a seer might misread your role or a wolf may attack a different person mistakenly. This order must come via PM. Once used, it is gone.

Hammer and nails: This has a one time use. You can nail your door shut in order to war off attack, scans, etc. This order must come via PM.


Day/Night Actions-

24 hour clock for all submissions and votes. Everything is due by 9 pm CST per the forum time stamp. Anything after that time, will not count.

All votes should be in bold black. All unvotes should be in bold red.


Reveals-

Deaths may reveal some information of role, but not necessarily all. For instance, if the seer is killed, they may only be revealed as a villager rather than as a seer.

Randomness-

There is a random element to certain actions, reveals, and game mechanics. This will be done via dice roll.


Not all roles may be in the game. Best of luck...

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Player List (aka guinea pigs for my first game)

Passacaglia NIGHT KILL, DAY 3, 'MUSHY' O'CONNORS-VILLAGER
Barkeep49 CONVERTED WOLF NIGHT FOUR, BASHER TARR
Claphamsa PETER RHEIMER, VILLAGER-VETERAN
jeheinz72 SAUL BLOOM, VILLAGER
RendeR NIGHT KILL, DAY 5, YEN-VILLAGER AND PERSUADER
Telle JIMMY FOSTER, VILLAGER
St. Cronin LYNCHED, DAY 1, DANNY OCEANS-VILLAGER AND STILL LEADING THE CREW
SnDvls LYNCHED, DAY 4, VIRGIL MALLOY-WOLF #1
Path12 TURK MALLOY, PERSUASIVE WOLF
ntndeacon KILLED BY BRUTAL WOLF, DAY 5, RUSTY RYAN-ARROGANT SEER TURNED SEER
Anxiety LYNCHED, DAY 5, LINUS CALDWELL-BRUTAL WOLF, WOLF #2
Chief Rum NIGHT KILLED, DAY 2, JOSH HOWARD-ROGUE
Chesapeake LYNCHED, DAY 2, SAM HARMON-VILLAGER
Lathum LYNCHED, DAY 6, LIVINGSTON DELL- BODYGUARD

Alternate
Alan T.

Passacaglia
11-19-2007, 07:18 AM
Passacaglia

Barkeep49
11-19-2007, 08:08 AM
I'll play.

claphamsa
11-19-2007, 08:08 AM
i wanna play!

jeheinz72
11-19-2007, 08:10 AM
I'm in since it's post-Thanksgiving. Love the theme PB!

RendeR
11-19-2007, 08:11 AM
I'll roll with you my man, sign me in to this greed-fest!

Telle
11-19-2007, 08:17 AM
I'll play.

Alan T
11-19-2007, 08:36 AM
I have to sit this one out. I'll be travelling the first two days of this game, but you can put me down as an alternate if you need anyone later in the game for whatever reason.

Also those rules are rough to read with all of those smileys. I'm guessing some form of formatting issue? :)

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 08:44 AM
Also those rules are rough to read with all of those smileys. I'm guessing some form of formatting issue? :)

I'm not showing any smilies on this end. Are others seeing this as well?

You'll be missed Alan but thanks for volunteering to be an alternate!

Telle
11-19-2007, 08:47 AM
Yeah, there's tongue-sticking-out smileys all throughout the first two posts.

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 08:50 AM
Hmmm, still not seeing it here, but I'm going to go in and re-type everything via edit and see if that helps. Thanks Telle and Alan!

Passacaglia
11-19-2007, 09:07 AM
I don't see any smileys.

Alan T
11-19-2007, 09:11 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/smileypage.jpg

claphamsa
11-19-2007, 09:15 AM
darn and I thought we had a fellow emoticon abuser :(

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 09:16 AM
Fixed hopefully after re-typing. Anyone verify?

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 09:17 AM
Wow, thanks for posting the quote Alan. I see none of that, even when I do a print screen. I'm hoping the re-type corrected it.

Barkeep49
11-19-2007, 09:19 AM
I didn't have the problem in the first place, but it should be fixed now. It looks like it was a problem with using the WYSIWYG editor.

Alan T
11-19-2007, 09:29 AM
Looks good to me! I think I had that problem once and ended up having to put everything in Wordpad then cutting and pasting it in (or something else)..

Good luck with the game! :)

st.cronin
11-19-2007, 09:47 AM
Inn

SnDvls
11-19-2007, 09:48 AM
in

path12
11-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Nice theme, PB! In like Flynn.

ntndeacon
11-19-2007, 01:31 PM
motel
I mean inn

Abe Sargent
11-19-2007, 01:31 PM
Since its a 24 hour clock, Im in

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 02:45 PM
Cool, it's great to see a bunch of you guys that I've played with in the past signing up. Thanks! Let's keep it going and get some more people in. The more the merrier! :-)

chesapeake
11-19-2007, 04:50 PM
I am very interested in playing, and next week is one of the rare ones that I may have enough time to actually participate. But before I jump in, I have a couple of questions just to make sure I'm not fooling myself.

I have a very rigid schedule, even on weeks like the next one where work is light. I can probably keep up during the work day, but once I leave the office at about 6 PM EST, in no way, shape or form will I be back online before 9:30. It is the only time I get with my daughter during the week, and there is nothing that will make me give that up. Weekends are pretty much off limits for me as well. I can probably check in once in the late afternoon and once before bed, but that is about it.

Looking at the last couple of games, it appears to me that you have to be ready to devote a lot of time reading and writing to be fair to everyone else, and if you aren't on enough before the deadline to fight off the mob, you're pretty much sunk from the start.

So, given my schedule constraints, would I just be taking up space in the game?

Alan T
11-19-2007, 05:02 PM
I am very interested in playing, and next week is one of the rare ones that I may have enough time to actually participate. But before I jump in, I have a couple of questions just to make sure I'm not fooling myself.

I have a very rigid schedule, even on weeks like the next one where work is light. I can probably keep up during the work day, but once I leave the office at about 6 PM EST, in no way, shape or form will I be back online before 9:30. It is the only time I get with my daughter during the week, and there is nothing that will make me give that up. Weekends are pretty much off limits for me as well. I can probably check in once in the late afternoon and once before bed, but that is about it.

Looking at the last couple of games, it appears to me that you have to be ready to devote a lot of time reading and writing to be fair to everyone else, and if you aren't on enough before the deadline to fight off the mob, you're pretty much sunk from the start.

So, given my schedule constraints, would I just be taking up space in the game?


I am not playing in this one, but that is because I will spend the majority of the first two days away from the computer which is probably too much time away from the game to devote to it properly. I think there are many of us (myself included) who are here probably more than necessary, but realistically if you are around for a good bit of conversation during the day then that is all anyone could ask for. There is no requirement to be on at deadline and in no way WW should rule someone's life. Most games are set up in a way where you aren't facing too much of a disadvantage for not being available at certain times.. Probably those around near a deadline would have a small advantage in some cases, but I encourage you to play. It sounds like you have more than enough time to play this game.

Just make sure you understand the weekend play plans and can make your plans based on if you can meet those or not. Lately I can't play on weekends either, and most games lately have been taking extended breaks during the weekend, so no big deal.

Chief Rum
11-19-2007, 05:25 PM
I am in. Great idea for a WW game!

path12
11-19-2007, 05:29 PM
I am very interested in playing, and next week is one of the rare ones that I may have enough time to actually participate. But before I jump in, I have a couple of questions just to make sure I'm not fooling myself.

I have a very rigid schedule, even on weeks like the next one where work is light. I can probably keep up during the work day, but once I leave the office at about 6 PM EST, in no way, shape or form will I be back online before 9:30. It is the only time I get with my daughter during the week, and there is nothing that will make me give that up. Weekends are pretty much off limits for me as well. I can probably check in once in the late afternoon and once before bed, but that is about it.

Looking at the last couple of games, it appears to me that you have to be ready to devote a lot of time reading and writing to be fair to everyone else, and if you aren't on enough before the deadline to fight off the mob, you're pretty much sunk from the start.

So, given my schedule constraints, would I just be taking up space in the game?

I think keeping up during the day is fine. I'm on much more often during the day than at night, and often miss deadline myself if it's 9 Eastern (6 Pacific).

You'll be hounded one way or another anyway though, regardless as to whether you're on or not...... ;)

Passacaglia
11-19-2007, 05:46 PM
I am very interested in playing, and next week is one of the rare ones that I may have enough time to actually participate. But before I jump in, I have a couple of questions just to make sure I'm not fooling myself.

I have a very rigid schedule, even on weeks like the next one where work is light. I can probably keep up during the work day, but once I leave the office at about 6 PM EST, in no way, shape or form will I be back online before 9:30. It is the only time I get with my daughter during the week, and there is nothing that will make me give that up. Weekends are pretty much off limits for me as well. I can probably check in once in the late afternoon and once before bed, but that is about it.

Looking at the last couple of games, it appears to me that you have to be ready to devote a lot of time reading and writing to be fair to everyone else, and if you aren't on enough before the deadline to fight off the mob, you're pretty much sunk from the start.

So, given my schedule constraints, would I just be taking up space in the game?


My situation is pretty much the same -- I'm able to check things constantly while at work during the day, but not so much during the evenings, which I spend with my wife. It really hasn't affected me much -- if it's a crazy or important deadline, I'll grab the laptop for 15-30 minutes before it, but most of the time, either nothing interesting happens, or if something does (like a reveal or something), enough people change their votes such that my vote wouldn't have made a difference. Being around at deadline is not a requirement for WW play at all.

PurdueBrad
11-19-2007, 05:56 PM
I am very interested in playing, and next week is one of the rare ones that I may have enough time to actually participate. But before I jump in, I have a couple of questions just to make sure I'm not fooling myself.

I have a very rigid schedule, even on weeks like the next one where work is light. I can probably keep up during the work day, but once I leave the office at about 6 PM EST, in no way, shape or form will I be back online before 9:30. It is the only time I get with my daughter during the week, and there is nothing that will make me give that up. Weekends are pretty much off limits for me as well. I can probably check in once in the late afternoon and once before bed, but that is about it.

Looking at the last couple of games, it appears to me that you have to be ready to devote a lot of time reading and writing to be fair to everyone else, and if you aren't on enough before the deadline to fight off the mob, you're pretty much sunk from the start.

So, given my schedule constraints, would I just be taking up space in the game?

Yeah, to kind of second, third, and fourth everyone else. Don't feel bad if you don't have a ton of time to devote to it. This is a fairly low complexity game and wouldn't require as much time as some of the deeper, more complex ones. We'd love to have you join.

hoopsguy
11-19-2007, 07:38 PM
Chesapeake, might as well find out how much of an issue it will be - if it doesn't work out in a way that is satisfying for you, then you don't play again. If you do have fun, then hopefully we'll see you again next time the schedule cooperates.

There are definitely players who have scheduling challenges who play - Chief Rum is often brought up as an example of this, as he is rarely around during daytime hours. But as long as you communicate your availabilty, and contribute in the time you are her, I would not expect it to be an issue.

Going to have to sit this one out, as the two weeks after Thanksgiving will have me on the road for work with minimal daytime availability. Looks like a cool theme, hope that it proves to be an entertaining read.

jeheinz72
11-20-2007, 07:52 AM
I'll echo the sentiments chesapeake as I have almost the exact same schedule. I leave work at 6 PM EST and frankly while I'd like to get back online that night sometimes, I still haven't made it work out, so I'm not back on until morning. I don't think it's effected either A) my enjoyment or B) My likelihood to get killed

chesapeake
11-20-2007, 10:30 AM
Good enough for me. Count me in. And everyone be nice to the noob.

PurdueBrad
11-20-2007, 10:39 AM
Good enough for me. Count me in. And everyone be nice to the noob.

Welcome aboard from a fairly new player myself. It's fun and addicting. Good luck!

path12
11-20-2007, 11:20 AM
Good enough for me. Count me in. And everyone be nice to the noob.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, I mean yeah, sure. :D

Passacaglia
11-20-2007, 01:03 PM
The best thing about new players is that since the wolves always kill new players on Night 1, we know that if the new player survives, that means he's a wolf.

Passacaglia
11-20-2007, 01:04 PM
Just kidding. By the way, editing posts is a no-no in a werewolf game. No big deal since this game hasn't actually started -- just thought I'd let you know, since I saw it.

Alan T
11-20-2007, 01:26 PM
The best thing about new players is that since the wolves always kill new players on Night 1, we know that if the new player survives, that means he's a wolf.


:D

chesapeake
11-20-2007, 03:36 PM
Just kidding. By the way, editing posts is a no-no in a werewolf game. No big deal since this game hasn't actually started -- just thought I'd let you know, since I saw it.


Understood. Just a warning, then: I am king of typos. All hail!

hoopsguy
11-20-2007, 04:37 PM
VOTE CHESAPEAKE

Glad to have that out of the way.

PurdueBrad
11-24-2007, 01:37 PM
A little bit of a bump here...

and an update. Roles will go out tomorrow evening and I'm looking forward to getting things rolling. Hoping to pick up another player or two but we can do just as well with what we have.

st.cronin
11-24-2007, 01:47 PM
PB, just a suggestion: if you want to pick up another player or two, you should maybe let signups run through Monday and send out roles Monday night.

Lathum
11-24-2007, 08:40 PM
can I still get IN?

PurdueBrad
11-25-2007, 12:05 PM
You can definitely get in, welcome back!

PurdueBrad
11-25-2007, 06:43 PM
ROLES ARE OUT, GAME IS ON. GOOD LUCK!

claphamsa
11-25-2007, 07:03 PM
just checkin in while the flames are losing to the blues :( Im a good guy!


[X]- Kim chi and ginger snaps make a great combo!

st.cronin
11-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Villager checking in.

Telle
11-25-2007, 08:26 PM
Vanilla villager checking in.

Barkeep49
11-25-2007, 08:29 PM
Purdue, I would suggest sending, if you haven't already, a copy of the basic villager PM so it's not possible for the good guys (i.e. the players on my side) to form a COT too easily.

Chief Rum
11-25-2007, 08:40 PM
"Ted Nugent called. He wants his suit back."

Villager checking in.

PurdueBrad
11-25-2007, 08:44 PM
Purdue, I would suggest sending, if you haven't already, a copy of the basic villager PM so it's not possible for the good guys (i.e. the players on my side) to form a COT too easily.

I typed each one differently actually but this wording was i n most:

You are a simple villager. Good luck!


Anything further in a PM revealed roles, items, or specialty rules.

chesapeake
11-25-2007, 08:59 PM
Villager here.

chesapeake
11-25-2007, 09:01 PM
That must make it my job to put the "simple" in simple villager.

Abe Sargent
11-25-2007, 10:04 PM
Im here, but watching the football right now

RendeR
11-25-2007, 10:12 PM
Checking in, "simple villager" as usual.

ntndeacon
11-25-2007, 10:21 PM
I am here as well, but what a game!

Passacaglia
11-25-2007, 10:43 PM
Checking in. Still mostly getting settled tonight, but I'll be on more from work tomorrow.

Chief Rum
11-26-2007, 01:01 AM
Standard Chief Rum Monday post.

I am back from vacation at both of my jobs, which means my Monday and Tuesday are back to their usual. I will be mostly unavailable from now until Wednesday, except late at night. So I have to get a vote in now.

VOTE CRONIN

Why? Simple. I decided he's the most dangerous wolf, IMO, of the players in the game. So just in case he actually is a wolf...

No in-game reason for this vote other than my need to vote now, so anyone following it without good reason should probably looked upon with reasonable suspicion.

See you all tomorrow night (I hope).

Chief Rum
11-26-2007, 01:15 AM
However, the villagers have one other win set that is special to the Oceans 11 game. Each night, Danny Oceans is to PM a player's name and this person will take the lead in attempting to knock off one of the casinos. Each night five random players (may be villager, wolf or rogue) will have this ability and if Danny's choice matches, than the villagers will successfully knock off one of the casinos. If all five casinos are knocked off, the villagers score a major victory and win the game outright. However, if Danny is killed, the villagers lose this win-set opportunity.

Okay, one other thing, just to calrify before I go. I was a little confused by how this mechanic goes. PurdueBrad, if you're free to answer any of this, I would appreciate it.

So if I understand this correct, whoever is the Danny Ocean character will send in a name. Player name or character name? And if the character name, does that mean Danny Ocean knows what characters are in the game? And does he know what characters are wolves, villagers or the rogue?

And the GM selects five names (once again, player names or character names; and can characters not in the game come up?), I assume at random? And if Danny Ocean's name is on that list of five names, a casino gets hit? Do I have that right?

Will the five know, either before or after deadline, if they were on that list of five? And will the target player/character know his name was submitted by Danny Ocean as his choice?

And which casinos get hit? Will that also determine the success of this mechanic? Do we take chances at one casino until it gets hit, or is each name selected each night associated with one particular casino, meaning any particular casino, chosen on the name matchup, could fall? Do the number of names selected fall as the number of casinos hit rises?

Sorry for all the questions. Just looking for clarity. Hopefully the answers will help the village while I am away tomorrow.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 06:31 AM
Okay, one other thing, just to calrify before I go. I was a little confused by how this mechanic goes. PurdueBrad, if you're free to answer any of this, I would appreciate it.

So if I understand this correct, whoever is the Danny Ocean character will send in a name. Player name or character name? And if the character name, does that mean Danny Ocean knows what characters are in the game? And does he know what characters are wolves, villagers or the rogue?

And the GM selects five names (once again, player names or character names; and can characters not in the game come up?), I assume at random? And if Danny Ocean's name is on that list of five names, a casino gets hit? Do I have that right?

Will the five know, either before or after deadline, if they were on that list of five? And will the target player/character know his name was submitted by Danny Ocean as his choice?

And which casinos get hit? Will that also determine the success of this mechanic? Do we take chances at one casino until it gets hit, or is each name selected each night associated with one particular casino, meaning any particular casino, chosen on the name matchup, could fall? Do the number of names selected fall as the number of casinos hit rises?

Sorry for all the questions. Just looking for clarity. Hopefully the answers will help the village while I am away tomorrow.

Good Questions! I thouhgt of some of them, and wasnt looking forward to typing it out!

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 06:33 AM
So if I understand this correct, whoever is the Danny Ocean character will send in a name. Player name or character name? And if the character name, does that mean Danny Ocean knows what characters are in the game? And does he know what characters are wolves, villagers or the rogue?

And the GM selects five names (once again, player names or character names; and can characters not in the game come up?), I assume at random? And if Danny Ocean's name is on that list of five names, a casino gets hit? Do I have that right?

Will the five know, either before or after deadline, if they were on that list of five? And will the target player/character know his name was submitted by Danny Ocean as his choice?

And which casinos get hit? Will that also determine the success of this mechanic? Do we take chances at one casino until it gets hit, or is each name selected each night associated with one particular casino, meaning any particular casino, chosen on the name matchup, could fall? Do the number of names selected fall as the number of casinos hit rises?

Sorry for all the questions. Just looking for clarity. Hopefully the answers will help the village while I am away tomorrow.

Not a problem Chief, happy to answer.

Danny will send in a player name (forum name) rather than character name. Danny does not know anyone's role, only his own.

If Danny selects one of the five randomly chosen names each night, casino gets hit. The casinos will simply go down in the order listed in the rules. So you would keep trying to hit the first one before moving on to number two. There are some other random items built in here but they may/may not come in to play.

The five players will likely find out in the write-up each night that they were the 'chosen ones' but whether or not the casino gets knocked off has no bearing on any other player's action so you can't really punish them.

The number of names do not change, so the less people alive, the greater your chances of knocking off a casino, which puts some pressure on the wolves depending on the state of things.

SnDvls
11-26-2007, 08:19 AM
Villager checking in

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 08:43 AM
I threw up overnight and still feel queasy today. While I am at work for now, it's quite possible I'm going to be out of commission before the end of the day and so I went to get my vote in early. I like CR's question of who is the most dangerous wolf. I think the answer, for me, is Anxiety, after he just won the last game single handedly.

Vote Anxiety

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 08:51 AM
Ok, So Since no one is really saying much (do yalls usualy lynch the person who says the most on the first day?) Ill weigh in here!

Weve had 2 votes for people who might be the most dangerous wolf....

While this logic certainly makes sense, wouldnt being the most dangerous wolf usualy mean they are the most dangerous villager to the wolves?

And not to sound mean here, but can anyone confirm Chiefs odd work schedule? Just want to make sure that he isnt setting up a built in excuse for questionble voting :) Hopefull Im just a n00b and he really does work odd hours!

Passacaglia
11-26-2007, 09:08 AM
Just got into work. Tired as hell, though. No, we don't lynch the most talkative people on Day 1 -- it's just that oftentimes there's not much to say. And yeah, CR usually works weird hours.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 09:09 AM
Just got into work. Tired as hell, though. No, we don't lynch the most talkative people on Day 1 -- it's just that oftentimes there's not much to say. And yeah, CR usually works weird hours.


Thanks!

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 09:18 AM
Weve had 2 votes for people who might be the most dangerous wolf....

While this logic certainly makes sense, wouldnt being the most dangerous wolf usualy mean they are the most dangerous villager to the wolves?

No. Some players are good at both wolf and villager (hoops comes to mind) but others are much stronger at one role or the other.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 09:22 AM
Good morning, hepcats. I should be around for most of the daylight hours, but I drop out at 6 PM EST and will be out until about 10 PM. I'll vote before I leave.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 09:27 AM
No. Some players are good at both wolf and villager (hoops comes to mind) but others are much stronger at one role or the other.


HMm, also good to know, I guess i havent played enough games to notice a difference!

Thansk!

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 09:51 AM
Mornin' folks, simple villager checking in. Will be around most of the day, though there isn't a whole heckuva a lot to vote on...

Telle
11-26-2007, 10:18 AM
Btw, I'm away at training today through Wednesday so I won't be too active during the day.. and evenings will depend on whether or not the two coworkers I'm with want to socialize. And on Wednesday I'll have to do an early vote since we'll be on the road all evening.

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 10:29 AM
Welcome Chesapeake!

Vote Chesapeake

Now you can feel right at home with us. :)

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 10:40 AM
Wow! I feel so loved.

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 10:49 AM
Vote Lathum

My reputation as a wolf is highly inflated.

Passacaglia
11-26-2007, 10:51 AM
Nice vote for a newbie.

VOTE NTNDEACON

Telle
11-26-2007, 11:07 AM
Thoughts on revealing our names?

I'm against it. The names do not align to roles so I don't think there's anything to learn from it. And it could potentially out Danny.

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 11:08 AM
Vote Claphamsa

Mainly because I feel responsible for infecting FOFC Werewolf with his presence (j/k Stefin)

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 11:09 AM
Thoughts on revealing our names?

I'm against it. The names do not align to roles so I don't think there's anything to learn from it. And it could potentially out Danny.

Yeah I thought about that, but I don't think it's in our best interest to do it.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 11:23 AM
Yeah I thought about that, but I don't think it's in our best interest to do it.

The Wolves would love this! And we gain nothing by it!

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 11:23 AM
Vote Claphamsa

Mainly because I feel responsible for infecting FOFC Werewolf with his presence (j/k Stefin)


Jerk! I will thrash you like I did Fresno State when you came into town!

vote heinz!

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Ok, I strongly encourage anybody who hasn't voted to not pick a new candidate, but to put a second vote on somebody.

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 11:26 AM
If it weren't for the Danny bit I'd have already suggested we reveal our names. However, it was because of the importance of keeping his identity secret that I agree with those who urge against a name reveal.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 11:29 AM
Vote NTNDeacon

I'm returning his favor.

I agree with Barkeep's point on not revealing. We need to keep Danny's ID secret.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 11:40 AM
So we have all voted pretty much randomly, excpet for people voting agaisnt somone they may be scared of. hmmm

unvote heinz

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 11:51 AM
I'm not moving my vote yet, but if I were to move my vote it would be to NTN.

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 11:54 AM
Ok, So Since no one is really saying much (do yalls usualy lynch the person who says the most on the first day?) Ill weigh in here!

Weve had 2 votes for people who might be the most dangerous wolf....

While this logic certainly makes sense, wouldnt being the most dangerous wolf usualy mean they are the most dangerous villager to the wolves?

And not to sound mean here, but can anyone confirm Chiefs odd work schedule? Just want to make sure that he isnt setting up a built in excuse for questionble voting :) Hopefull Im just a n00b and he really does work odd hours!

Day Ones can be tough. Sometimes we lynch the quiet ones.

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 11:57 AM
I'm not moving my vote yet, but if I were to move my vote it would be to NTN.

Why him?

Is there anybody who hasn't checked in yet?

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 12:01 PM
Day Ones can be tough. Sometimes we lynch the quiet ones.
that seems to be the way it goes :)

path12
11-26-2007, 12:03 PM
I'm checking in as villager, but I'm busy and in an amazingly foul mood, so probably won't be talking much until later.

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Sounds sexy.

Telle
11-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Ok, I strongly encourage anybody who hasn't voted to not pick a new candidate, but to put a second vote on somebody.

Well if you insist...

VOTE ST.CRONIN

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 12:47 PM
If it weren't for the Danny bit I'd have already suggested we reveal our names. However, it was because of the importance of keeping his identity secret that I agree with those who urge against a name reveal.

Of Course if not for Danny Ocean then the names are just flavoring that have no bearing on your role. It is just as likely that Linus Caldwell (to pick a name at random) is a wolf than being like he is in the movies, a villager.

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 12:49 PM
Unvote Chesapeake

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 12:51 PM
I'm not moving my vote yet, but if I were to move my vote it would be to NTN.

Hey, I am not always as bad a player as I was last game.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 01:06 PM
unvote ntndeacon

My only reason to vote for him just evaported.

SnDvls
11-26-2007, 01:32 PM
just a quick recap we have lots of 1 votes and 2 votes on both St. C & NTN to start off the day

SnDvls
11-26-2007, 01:33 PM
dola...and that seems to have changed before I pushed enter...damn I guess I need to refresh more often.

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 01:36 PM
Unvotes on day 1 with no good reason actually weird me out more than votes on day 1 with no good reason.

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 01:39 PM
I had a good reason. Mine was a self preservation move. Pass' and Ches' votes on me make less sense if I take my vote away. The hope is that they look elsewhere then.

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 01:40 PM
I made one rules amendment (more added something that I forgot) but wanted to highlight it here:

Items can be passed from one player to another via PM. The player that receives it will be told who they received it from.

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 01:50 PM
I was leaning towards NTN because of his unfriendly vote for cheap. That has now been removed.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 02:14 PM
My vote for NTN was 1) tongue-in-cheek retaliatory; and 2) self-preservation, as it gave him 2 votes to my one. Once he pulled his vote from me, I pulled mine from him, as neither 1 nor 2 applied anymore.

Apologies if I am overexplaining anything.

path12
11-26-2007, 03:09 PM
Apologies if I am overexplaining anything.

There is no such thing as overexplaining in WW. And someone will still question you when you do. After all, if you're overexplaining, you must have something to hide, right? ;)

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 03:17 PM
There is no such thing as overexplaining in WW. And someone will still question you when you do. After all, if you're overexplaining, you must have something to hide, right? ;)

Course some of us need to be overexplained to, cuz we are stubborn that our first instinct is right. (Like me :D )

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 04:00 PM
Vote St. Cronin

Only two players have done anything at all that got my attention so far -- ntndeacon by voting for me and St. Cronin for mildly stirring the pot a little earlier. I've backed away from ntn for the reasons I stated earlier.

I'm not convinced in any way, shape or form that I'm making the right vote, but I have nothing else to go on.

I'm around for another hour+.

SnDvls
11-26-2007, 04:14 PM
Vote RendeR

no reason but to have a day one vote...I'll probally be out the rest of the day/night and don't want my vote to decide someone's fate without more info and it is day 1 and all ;)

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 04:16 PM
How did cronin stir the pot?

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 04:20 PM
[QUOTE=chesapeake;1600647nything at all that got my attention so far -- ntndeacon by voting for me and St. Cronin for mildly stirring the pot a little earlier. [/QUOTE]

hrm?

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 04:21 PM
Hrm, I should probably move my vote, but I have zero idea as to where...

path12
11-26-2007, 04:28 PM
Is there a count?

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 04:30 PM
Unvotes on day 1 with no good reason actually weird me out more than votes on day 1 with no good reason.

By obliquely casting doubt on myself and ntndeacon, I categorize this as modestly stirring the pot. Especially since both "unvotes" seemed to this noob to be pretty easy to explain. Others mileage may vary, of course.

I admit that it isn't much to go on, but that is all I have at this point. Casting a vote with a teeny-weeny bit of cause is better that casting a vote with none at all. Or so it seems to me.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 04:35 PM
I just realized that the deadline is 9 PM Central. That being the case, I might get on just before the deadline.

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Unvote claphamsa

Vote Anxiety

He took us to school last game.

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 04:58 PM
I'm out until 9:30 EST at the earliest.

jeheinz72
11-26-2007, 05:03 PM
I'm gone as well until the morning.

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 05:04 PM
So in other words, I should just keep my mouth shut and not say anything about what I think. Got it.

ntndeacon
11-26-2007, 05:46 PM
Vote Pass

This is still a day one vote, with only the flimsiest of reasons attached to it. I will not be able to change it since I am not to far from my choral rehearsal starting.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 05:49 PM
Ill be around listening to any arguemnts! and since there are no good NHL games I might even watch oceans 13 tongiht.

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 06:56 PM
Current vote count as of post 120:
St. Cronin (3)- Chief Rum (60), Telle (93), Chesapeake (107)
Anxiety (2)- Barkeep49 (65), JEHeinz72 (115)
Lathum (1)- St. Cronin (76)
NTNDeacon (1)- Passacaglia (77)
RendeR (1)- Sndvls (108)
Passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon (119)


STILL TO VOTE: RendeR, Claphamsa, Anxiety, Path12, Lathum

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 06:59 PM
Awful quiet day 1.

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 07:10 PM
Obvious self-preservation move, making it a tie:

unvote Lathum
vote Anxiety

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 07:22 PM
I just want to point that if nothing changes Anxiety will obviously also vote for me, making the vote 4-3 me.

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 07:26 PM
Well, just got back from Whole Foods Market, and I have two votes on me?

Is WW the only game where you get attention just for being a good player? Appears so. I take your votes with pride then!

I have to vote for stcronin defensively. Y'all understand.

vote stcronin

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 07:26 PM
Yup, posting it as you posted ;)

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 07:27 PM
what about a tie? is it the longest held vote? i havent decided yet, but I like drama (I really know nothing here :( )

vote anxiety

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 07:33 PM
Depedns on each GM's ules.

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 07:36 PM
Current vote count as of post 128:
St. Cronin (4)- Chief Rum (60), Telle (93), Chesapeake (107), Anxiety (125)
Anxiety (4)- Barkeep49 (65), JEHeinz72 (115), St. Cronin (123), Claphamsa (127)
NTNDeacon (1)- Passacaglia (77)
RendeR (1)- Sndvls (108)
Passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon (119)


STILL TO VOTE: RendeR, Path12, Lathum

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 07:38 PM
what about a tie? is it the longest held vote? i havent decided yet, but I like drama (I really know nothing here :( )



A tie will have a random result/outcome that may trigger other unspecified game dynamics, be it positive or negative. And sometimes a tie just may be a tie...

st.cronin
11-26-2007, 07:49 PM
I just realized the deadline is an hour later than I thought it was. So I won't be around at deadline.

path12
11-26-2007, 08:06 PM
I can't vote Anxiety just because he played good. What's the case on cronin?

Either way, shame to lose them early if they're good. Has Lathum checked in?

RendeR
11-26-2007, 08:19 PM
Well, its a day 1 vote. I detest ties. Which one should I vote for? Anxiety made us all look like morons in the last big game. Cronin is always a great wolf.....


What to do?

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 08:22 PM
I see nothing from Latham.

I can make an arugment for cronin (a very bad one) and none for anxiety

unvote anxiety
vote cronin



As a n00b i feel obliget to point out that I post alot (im an accountant im bored) and I change my votes ALOT also I have a tendency to vote for people who arent playing (Im trying not to do it as heinz said people take this very serious!) but if I vote for Dminic Hasek thats why :)

RendeR
11-26-2007, 08:24 PM
I see nothing from Latham.

I can make an arugment for cronin (a very bad one) and none for anxiety

unvote anxiety
vote cronin



As a n00b i feel obliget to point out that I post alot (im an accountant im bored) and I change my votes ALOT also I have a tendency to vote for people who arent playing (Im trying not to do it as heinz said people take this very serious!) but if I vote for Dminic Hasek thats why :)


Hasek is a traitor and a fraud.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Hasek is a traitor and a fraud.
''and a really shitty goalie too!!!!


GO AVS!

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 08:32 PM
So in other words, I should just keep my mouth shut and not say anything about what I think. Got it.

Not at all. I'm just saying that what you posted had some meaning, both intended and otherwise.

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Current vote count as of post 137:
St. Cronin (5)- Chief Rum (60), Telle (93), Chesapeake (107), Anxiety (125), Claphamsa (134)
Anxiety (3)- Barkeep49 (65), JEHeinz72 (115), St. Cronin (123)
NTNDeacon (1)- Passacaglia (77)
RendeR (1)- Sndvls (108)
Passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon (119)


STILL TO VOTE: RendeR, Path12, Lathum

RendeR
11-26-2007, 08:34 PM
GO NORDIQUES!



There are no "avs". Fixed that for you.

RendeR
11-26-2007, 08:35 PM
Fine, I'l seal it for Cronin and make it a 3 vote lead.


Vote St. Cronin

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 08:37 PM
Current vote count as of post 140:
St. Cronin (6)- Chief Rum (60), Telle (93), Chesapeake (107), Anxiety (125), Claphamsa (134), RendeR (140)
Anxiety (3)- Barkeep49 (65), JEHeinz72 (115), St. Cronin (123)
NTNDeacon (1)- Passacaglia (77)
RendeR (1)- Sndvls (108)
Passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon (119)


STILL TO VOTE: Path12, Lathum

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 08:37 PM
Path, I made what tiny case there is to vote Cronin -- at least from my perspective -- in post 107.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 08:41 PM
There are no "avs". Fixed that for you.

got 3rd row seats when the AVS come to town, ill be wearing my Sakic jersey (baby blue) and wearing my nordiques hat! and acting like a philadlephian in the phone booth!!!!

RendeR
11-26-2007, 08:43 PM
What you do with your baby-blues in a phone both is entirely your business.







;)

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 08:44 PM
What you do with your baby-blues in a phone both is entirely your business.







;)

:P

path12
11-26-2007, 08:49 PM
Path, I made what tiny case there is to vote Cronin -- at least from my perspective -- in post 107.

Thanks. I looked at that. Don't agree that he was necessarily stirring the pot, but hey, there are worse reasons for day 1 votes.

Since it's pretty much decided though, I don't feel a pressing need to go on one of the top two. I think I'll take my usual stand and vote for a non-checking-in player (even if it is Lathum).

VOTE LATHUM

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 08:54 PM
Current vote count as of post 146:
St. Cronin (6)- Chief Rum (60), Telle (93), Chesapeake (107), Anxiety (125), Claphamsa (134), RendeR (140)
Anxiety (3)- Barkeep49 (65), JEHeinz72 (115), St. Cronin (123)
NTNDeacon (1)- Passacaglia (77)
RendeR (1)- Sndvls (108)
Passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon (119)
Lathum (1)- Path12 (146)

STILL TO VOTE: Lathum

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 09:01 PM
DEADLINE

RendeR
11-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Sorry Cronin, better safe than sorry though ;)

Lathum
11-26-2007, 09:10 PM
villegar checking in

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 09:12 PM
villegar checking in

nice and timely :P

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 09:13 PM
A limo pulls up to the Desert Inn. From the back leaps Barkeep49, who dons his very best Wayne Newton disguise. Barkeep is flanked on either side by his entourage of ntndeacon and Telle, fending off the papparazzi and leading the 'star' into the casino.

As "Wayne Newton" enters, all eyes inside the Desert Inn turn to observe the scene. Barkeep peels off tens and twenties, throwing them to the adoring crowd (or "making it rain" in Pacman Jones' world).

In the meantime, Claphamsa stands near the card tables, a remote control in hand. With just one push of the button, the remote would send an electric charge into the automatic card shufflers, overloading them, and spewing cards into the sky.

Finally, Passacaglia remains near the slot machines, with a small electromagnetic pulse that will cause each of the slot machines to jackpot simultaneously.

In the midst of all of this confusion, the rest of the team stands ready to raid the vault when security comes pouring onto the casino floor.

Claphamsa's hand trembles, Passacaglia's begins to put a bit of pressure on the button when...

The real Wayne Newton walks out of an elevator and directly into Barkeep. Newton cocks his head to the side, it's as though he's staring into a mirror. The jig is up, but before the team is doomed, Newton laughs and says, "Oh, an impersonator. You need to work on your Sinatra a bit."

With the diversion now blown, your team has no choice but to make their way out of the casino to try again another night.

claphamsa
11-26-2007, 09:14 PM
WTF

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 09:16 PM
The team regroups at the Carnegie Deli in the Mirage Casino, crestfallen. Most arrive, but one does not. In trying to get out of the casino, the team feels as though the poor planning can only be the fault of one person...St. Cronin. You decide that he must take the fall and you leave him behind. St. Cronin tries to sneak out of the Employees Only area of the casino but is apprehended with ease. Your team feels better at possibly outing a wolf...


...only to find that you have sacrificed Danny Oceans himself.

PurdueBrad
11-26-2007, 09:19 PM
Terry Benedict sits on high in his penthouse suite, watching his casino's cameras, and laughs at each of you for your ineptitude. His arrogance is so great that, strangely, nobody from your team is removed over the course of the night.


BEGIN DAY 2...

Lathum
11-26-2007, 09:19 PM
oops

Lorena
11-26-2007, 09:21 PM
lol

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 09:28 PM
Oceans dying sucks. On the other hand, no kill?

On Night One?

Smells like conversion

chesapeake
11-26-2007, 09:33 PM
Unbelievable.

path12
11-26-2007, 09:34 PM
Wow. Is it me, or have we had a lot of crappy day ones lately?

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 09:41 PM
Wow. Is it me, or have we had a lot of crappy day ones lately?
It's you, since one of those crappy D1s was you dying as a bad guy :). Last game you duked me and I was a bad guy. Seems to me we've had a bunch of good D1s lately.

Barkeep49
11-26-2007, 09:43 PM
Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

Lathum
11-26-2007, 09:50 PM
Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.

I would assume there are more then 1 wolf in the game that could perform a night action.

And sorry for missng the deadliine, I was driving back from NJ today and it took a little longer then expected.

Lathum
11-26-2007, 09:54 PM
dola- I am going to bed but will be around tomorrow.

I think I am fighting off what barkeep has, I also puked last night and feel pretty down today so I am turning in early after the long drive home.

path12
11-26-2007, 09:58 PM
It's you, since one of those crappy D1s was you dying as a bad guy :). Last game you duked me and I was a bad guy. Seems to me we've had a bunch of good D1s lately.

Oh yeah, that's why. I wasn't happy about doing the duke until after the result, either. Never mind then.

path12
11-26-2007, 10:04 PM
Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

I can see how you could read it as a missed action. Don't exactly see why it points to Lathum more than anyone else, though, since there is more than one bad guy, and so more than one would have to miss an action. That seems unlikely enough to not rule out conversion.

I guess it's possible that only a specific one could kill though.

Abe Sargent
11-26-2007, 10:07 PM
Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

The only way I'd buy this is if Lathum was the head bad guy. Maybe he didn;t tell his others that he wouldn;t be around, no one siubmitted a backup plan. Otherwise, and just a generic bad guy, no way this would have happened.

So are you suggesting that it is more likely Lathum is the head bad guy over the wolves did something else, like convert?

Chief Rum
11-27-2007, 12:45 AM
What did I say about cronin votes?

VOTE CHESAPEAKE

I said I would vote follow ups to my votes and I will. I only voted that way because I had so little to go on, but had to vote early, and you guys and go and vote out Danny Ocean?

I am going with Chesapeake because third votes, IMO, are even more suspcious than second votes. Although I am certain there are wolves in both lead candidate's voters.

I will be out most of the day tomorrow, too, although I will try to check in before deadline.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 06:19 AM
unfortunate

PurdueBrad
11-27-2007, 07:19 AM
As you all sit around the coffee shop this morning discussing last night's awful turn, the value of Madonna's music, and tipping, something strange happens.

A napkin circulates the table, with writing on it: WE NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE...NOW!

"What, to a different table," someone asks as others check the floor for cockroaches or maybe another kind of bug.

Everyone looks around at one another, trying to figure out who passed the note. But leaderless and paranoid, everyone starts to move at once, paying the bill, leaving a tip, and the ramblers ramble their way across the street...all because of a note on a napkin?

As you settle in at the Starbucks across the street, you watch in awe and amazement as a van full of Terry Benedict's goons roll up in front of that very same coffee shop that you just left and begins pouring hot lead in through the windows, destroying everything in sight. Was it just luck that you moved?

Eyes shift from person to person. Who figured out that we were in danger? How could they tell?

Your arrogant seer has been converted...to seer.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 07:23 AM
but we dont know who it was? if we were all sitting there........

PurdueBrad
11-27-2007, 07:26 AM
but we dont know who it was? if we were all sitting there........

If this dynamic had come up, it was going to be in a much more logical way but the loss of Danny Oceans plus this triggering sent me scrambling for a different way to do it. Let me make a correction to the story above that allows you to keep belief that you don't know who it was (story is corrected Claph, hopefully that makes it a bit more believable then the way it was previously written).


The important thing for everyone though is that this person does know who they are.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 07:28 AM
fair enough! Thanks :)

Lathum
11-27-2007, 07:49 AM
OK, I just want to say that I checked my role in the morning yesterday before I left for home. I did it literaly as I was walking out the door with my wife glaring at me. I thought I would have had plenty of time when I got home but because of horrible weather in the east it took alot longer.

Had I been a bad guy I certainly would have submitted a conditional order.

jeheinz72
11-27-2007, 08:34 AM
Oy. We lost Oceans already. That stinks to high heaven on some of those pile-on votes.

Telle
11-27-2007, 08:55 AM
So we lost Danny but gained a seer. And why didn't Cronin try to do something to get us to move our votes off of him if he had an important role like that??

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 09:02 AM
So we lost Danny but gained a seer. And why didn't Cronin try to do something to get us to move our votes off of him if he had an important role like that??

my thought it he figured he would be killed anyways if he revealed, we coldnt protect him EVERY night. but.... still makes no sense :(

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 09:11 AM
Damn that sucks. I should have told cronin to get out of my dreams, and get into my car. He would have been safer there then with you lot.

Lathum
11-27-2007, 09:18 AM
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

he cast the vote that sealed Cronins fate.

I know it isn't much but it's something.

RendeR
11-27-2007, 09:21 AM
Cronin really had no way to defend himself, on top of the fact that he wasn't able to be online near the deadline. Just tough luck that his reputation gets him lynched reglarly on days 1-3.

I'll defend my vote on Cronin by stating that I despise ties and wanted to ensure (with 2 votes remaining to be cast) that a tie was a longshot. Cronin was up 2 votes at the time and my vote made it 3 and would have taken a LOT of movement and wolfly saving of their teamates butt to save him.

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 09:29 AM
I'm torn between two people right now. I'd say I'm leaning more towards claphamsa just due to the flipflopping more than anything, but on the other hand it was a day one vote with nothing to really go on....would a wolf really put themself out there this early and be a big deciding vote with nothing to gain and a lot to lose? And in this case it was Mr. Oceans who he was casting one of the final votes for. tough choice right now it seems

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 09:30 AM
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

he cast the vote that sealed Cronins fate.

I know it isn't much but it's something.


Sad but true :(

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 09:32 AM
I'm torn between two people right now. I'd say I'm leaning more towards claphamsa just due to the flipflopping more than anything, but on the other hand it was a day one vote with nothing to really go on....would a wolf really put themself out there this early and be a big deciding vote with nothing to gain and a lot to lose? And in this case it was Mr. Oceans who he was casting one of the final votes for. tough choice right now it seems

Sadly I am a consumate flip floper!

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 09:33 AM
Sadly I am a consumate flip floper!

I did see you try to preface one of you votes with that not sure how much I put into that and all, but I did see that ;)

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 09:35 AM
I did see you try to preface one of you votes with that not sure how much I put into that and all, but I did see that ;)

I figure that and my penchant for thinking things through as I post them will get me in trouble the first couple of games, hopefully not too much trouble, but so be it!

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 09:35 AM
I'm going to put a vote on Anxiety. If we're going to look at people who voted cronin, I think we should also determine if there was an attempt to save Anxiety.

VOTE ANXIETY

Lathum
11-27-2007, 09:44 AM
Barkeep is also pinging my radar. His argument for voting me is so poorly constructed and not thought out. It is very unlike him.

st.cronin
11-27-2007, 09:54 AM
Good luck, village!

jeheinz72
11-27-2007, 11:14 AM
I'm still leaning Anxiety I think. If there was indeed piling on, one would have to presume it was to save Anxiety, rather than to necessarily kill Cronin himself. There's just no way/evidence they knew they were getting Ocean on that one.

I'd also then think if we're looking to get a wolf out of the subset of Anxiety + those who voted for Cronin, it's easiest to just vote Anxiety rather than try and muddle out who voted for Cronin based on little evidence (ala a Day One vote) and who voted as a protective measure.

For now...
Vote Anxiety

chesapeake
11-27-2007, 11:18 AM
I agree with the general opinion that there are very likely a couple of wolves in the votes for St. Cronin. I certainly can't blame CR for thinking I am one of them.

I've got a plumber banging around upstairs, and when he's done, I'm headed into work. I'm going to keep my vote in my pocket for the time being. Hopefully, it will be nice and warm when I cast it.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 11:21 AM
I like the fact that cronin didn't reveal before going down. While he had an important role, we're not screwed without him, we just have to play traditional WW now.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 11:24 AM
Lathum -- I hear your point about a conditional order, I'll have to think about that. I do feel, however, that this could absolutely be a game where the head bad guy needs to submit for the team. Perhaps I'm way off base here and we faced a conversion or something else sisnster last night.

I will say that clap's unvote for Anxiety/vote for cronin is suspicious to me and if it weren't for my raised suspicion of Lathum I'd be looking at him today.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 11:25 AM
I like the fact that cronin didn't reveal before going down. While he had an important role, we're not screwed without him, we just have to play traditional WW now.


I agree that we arent screwed without him. but..... If he had revealed we probalby could have kept him alive for a day or 2 and who knows what would have happend then. there was nothing gained by him not revealing.


vote barkeep49

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 11:27 AM
Lathum -- I hear your point about a conditional order, I'll have to think about that. I do feel, however, that this could absolutely be a game where the head bad guy needs to submit for the team. Perhaps I'm way off base here and we faced a conversion or something else sisnster last night.

I will say that clap's unvote for Anxiety/vote for cronin is suspicious to me and if it weren't for my raised suspicion of Lathum I'd be looking at him today.


Sounds like someone lost out among the wolf voters, or is pissed the alpha wolf was sick :eek:

Lathum
11-27-2007, 11:33 AM
You really can't fault St. Cronin for not revealing.

When he checked out it was a 4-4 tie. I agree he is taking a chance at getting lynched there but knowing how Cronin plays he would rather risk not revealing and living then revealing and being targeted anyway.

2 things that seem suspiscous.

1. Claphasma switches to Cronin AFTER Cronin checkes out. Always a suspicous move to me.

2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 11:36 AM
You really can't fault St. Cronin for not revealing.

When he checked out it was a 4-4 tie. I agree he is taking a chance at getting lynched there but knowing how Cronin plays he would rather risk not revealing and living then revealing and being targeted anyway.

2 things that seem suspiscous.

1. Claphasma switches to Cronin AFTER Cronin checkes out. Always a suspicous move to me.

2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

FWIW my vote was pretty much at the end, and it had no bearing on Cronin checking out. I figured he was trying to deflect on to me by making an issue about my flip floping. apparently I was wrong.

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 11:38 AM
I agree that we arent screwed without him. but..... If he had revealed we probalby could have kept him alive for a day or 2 and who knows what would have happend then. there was nothing gained by him not revealing.


vote barkeep49

??? why the vote on BK???:confused:

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 11:39 AM
dola - this bumps you back up to me as another odd move

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 12:01 PM
??? why the vote on BK???:confused:

Thats easy, he likes the fact that cronin didnt reveal! The only ones who gain from that are the wolves! if he had revealed we would have at least been able to keep him alive for a while. by him not revealing and dying that is one less thing the wolves have to worry about.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 12:03 PM
dola - this bumps you back up to me as another odd move

that is reasonable. Its possible that the not reveal by cronin is something that yalls recognize from playign with im before, but to me it seems BK is awfully happy about having one less way to lose!

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 12:07 PM
DOLA dola dola

My logic may be off, but at least im putting something out there. my biggest pause, is that his staments are just sOOOOOO obvious wolf that it would jsut be dumb to draw that much attention to himself, just cant figure a reason out as to why he would do it.

Telle
11-27-2007, 12:30 PM
Could the seer conversion have been something that happened in place of a wolf kill? Perhaps them trying to kill or convert him set off something they didn't expect?

PurdueBrad
11-27-2007, 12:51 PM
Vote Count, as of post 202:

Anxiety (2)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189)
Lathum (1)- Barkeep49 (162)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Claphamsa (1)- Lathum (179)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)

STILL TO VOTE: Chesapeake, Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Telle, Path12, Sndvls, RendeR

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 12:59 PM
DOLA dola dola

My logic may be off, but at least im putting something out there. my biggest pause, is that his staments are just sOOOOOO obvious wolf that it would jsut be dumb to draw that much attention to himself, just cant figure a reason out as to why he would do it.

What's wolfish about his statements, again? There's his vote on Lathum. I don't really see that as wolfish, rather he's just using what he can. I'm not sure if I think he's right yet, but I could see that as a possible mechanic. As for being happy about the Carribean Queen dying, I didn't read it that way -- I thought he was saying that now we can win a normal style WW game, and simply not let the other stuff distract us.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:03 PM
What's wolfish about his statements, again? There's his vote on Lathum. I don't really see that as wolfish, rather he's just using what he can. I'm not sure if I think he's right yet, but I could see that as a possible mechanic. As for being happy about the Carribean Queen dying, I didn't read it that way -- I thought he was saying that now we can win a normal style WW game, and simply not let the other stuff distract us.


:p caribean queen thats good :)

I seem to get a differnet vibe than you. I dont think the ocean advantage would have distracted us, i mean, we would have had no idea it was workign or not right? and its really all random anyways.

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 01:10 PM
DOLA dola dola

My logic may be off, but at least im putting something out there. my biggest pause, is that his staments are just sOOOOOO obvious wolf that it would jsut be dumb to draw that much attention to himself, just cant figure a reason out as to why he would do it.

:p caribean queen thats good :)

I seem to get a differnet vibe than you. I dont think the ocean advantage would have distracted us, i mean, we would have had no idea it was workign or not right? and its really all random anyways.

I agree with your thinking on it, but I can see where BK was coming from in his comment. While I disagreed with it, I didn't really think it was a wolfish thing to say.

path12
11-27-2007, 01:17 PM
2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

Or as I said at the time, voting for someone who hadn't checked in yet, namely you. There is nothing inconsistent about my day 1 vote criteria. If you want to complain it was on you fine, but there is nothing more to it than that.

RendeR
11-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Thats easy, he likes the fact that cronin didnt reveal! The only ones who gain from that are the wolves! if he had revealed we would have at least been able to keep him alive for a while. by him not revealing and dying that is one less thing the wolves have to worry about.

that is reasonable. Its possible that the not reveal by cronin is something that yalls recognize from playign with im before, but to me it seems BK is awfully happy about having one less way to lose!


Lets clarify the whole Danny Oceans thing:

Each night, Danny Oceans is to PM a player's name and this person will take the lead in attempting to knock off one of the casinos. Each night five random players (may be villager, wolf or rogue) will have this ability and if Danny's choice matches, than the villagers will successfully knock off one of the casinos. If all five casinos are knocked off, the villagers score a major victory and win the game outright. However, if Danny is killed, the villagers lose this win-set opportunity.

based on this it would take a minimum of 5 full days for Danny to win the game for us through his mechanic. IF he reveals, he dies, wether that night or 3 nights from then, he WILL be killed off before he has any chance of completing his win condition.

You're basis that he should have revealed doesn't work here since revealing guarentees he fails while keeping it quiet at least gives him a chance of being saved/duked off of/something.

Granted that never happened, but it was the smarter play to NOT reveal.

As for BK...I rarely trust him anyway, but I'm not seeing anything particularly wolfish in his comments yet.

More later.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Lets clarify the whole Danny Oceans thing:



based on this it would take a minimum of 5 full days for Danny to win the game for us through his mechanic. IF he reveals, he dies, wether that night or 3 nights from then, he WILL be killed off before he has any chance of completing his win condition.

You're basis that he should have revealed doesn't work here since revealing guarentees he fails while keeping it quiet at least gives him a chance of being saved/duked off of/something.

Granted that never happened, but it was the smarter play to NOT reveal.

As for BK...I rarely trust him anyway, but I'm not seeing anything particularly wolfish in his comments yet.

More later.

Welll I did completely ignore the duking aspect, but why would the duke waste their move when we didnt know it was him? same for the BG we could have kept him alive for a reasonable number of turns, and honeslty I wouldnt thinkt he Wolves would really worry toooo much about him for the first couple of turns, becasue as you said it takes 5 lucky shots. And you never know, they might get dristracted killing the seer or rogue or somethign else. remeber this game is unpredictable.

Not that your points arent valid or anything, just explaining my logic :)

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Thank you to Render for saving me the time of writing out my thought process on cronin's lack of reveal. I will also point out, something clap couldn't possibly have known, that I have a track record of not advocating major roles to reveal, as when I was on the chopping block in the mythology game I did not reveal as Zeus. And in that game the bad guys HAD to kill my role to win, rather than merely wanting to kill the role (as was the case of Danny Ocean).

Clap why did you feel good about your vote for anxiety at one point but then not by the time you switched to cronin?

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:42 PM
I'd also like to point out that revealing as an important role on D1 has caused us problems in the past with wolves being able to claim that role, the real role not being around at that moment to counter, and we then save a wolf and lynch a different important role.

The important thing, in this case, is to remember that cronin would have had to be alive for many days to help us achieve the Casino heist victory condition. He likely recognized what Render has pointed out: By revealing D1 we save him til night 3, maybe night 4. Not enough for him to help us win the game. Of course if he reveals, perhaps the vote switches to Anxiety who has some other important role.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:45 PM
Thank you to Render for saving me the time of writing out my thought process on cronin's lack of reveal. I will also point out, something clap couldn't possibly have known, that I have a track record of not advocating major roles to reveal, as when I was on the chopping block in the mythology game I did not reveal as Zeus. And in that game the bad guys HAD to kill my role to win, rather than merely wanting to kill the role (as was the case of Danny Ocean).

Clap why did you feel good about your vote for anxiety at one point but then not by the time you switched to cronin?

I belive someone did point this out earlier, I still dont agree with it.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:47 PM
Let's do the math on this Danny Ocean bit. He picks 5 names to try and match the one which Purdue picks. So on D1 he has a 5/14 chance of getting a hit. On D2 he's got a 5/12 chance, D3, 5/10 chance, D4 5/8 chance and D5 he's got a 5/6 chance. The odds of having 5 success in a row, with those odds is 3%.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:48 PM
I belive someone did point this out earlier, I still dont agree with it.
After finding out it's a 3% chance do you still disagree?

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 01:49 PM
I belive someone did point this out earlier, I still dont agree with it.

Sorry, I'm not following -- you don't agree with what? You think that major roles should reveal?

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:50 PM
Thank you to Render for saving me the time of writing out my thought process on cronin's lack of reveal. I will also point out, something clap couldn't possibly have known, that I have a track record of not advocating major roles to reveal, as when I was on the chopping block in the mythology game I did not reveal as Zeus. And in that game the bad guys HAD to kill my role to win, rather than merely wanting to kill the role (as was the case of Danny Ocean).

Clap why did you feel good about your vote for anxiety at one point but then not by the time you switched to cronin?

I had to go back and read, and my as I said then (even I didnt remember now) was that either cronin or anxiety was getting it, and i had a small reason to vote for cronin and not anxiety. THis was his stament that he found flip floping fishy. (I said it wasnt a good reason) I mean seriously the more info we have the better off we are, so If you have a hunch VOTE! say what you think! Not the best reason I know, but I had nothign on anxiety.

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 01:50 PM
Let's do the math on this Danny Ocean bit. He picks 5 names to try and match the one which Purdue picks. So on D1 he has a 5/14 chance of getting a hit. On D2 he's got a 5/12 chance, D3, 5/10 chance, D4 5/8 chance and D5 he's got a 5/6 chance. The odds of having 5 success in a row, with those odds is 3%.

I think this math ignores the fact that by revealing, he helps the village to avoid lynching a villager. That's a whole new set of numbers.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:50 PM
After finding out it's a 3% chance do you still disagree?

Ill take a 3% chance over a 0% chance yes!

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:51 PM
Sorry, I'm not following -- you don't agree with what? You think that major roles should reveal?


If you are a major role and you are about to die, yes you shoudl reveal! Even if it keeps yo aliive only for another turn or 2, you can get and diseminate more info that way.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:51 PM
Ill take a 3% chance over a 0% chance yes!
Oh. We're talking about with a reveal? Then it is 0%. I place it as 0% chance that Danny Ocean lives to D5 after a reveal on D1.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:52 PM
If you are a major role and you are about to die, yes you shoudl reveal! Even if it keeps yo aliive only for another turn or 2, you can get and diseminate more info that way.
What info could Danny Ocean get and reveal to us? That doesn't seem to be his role.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:54 PM
Ill take a 3% chance over a 0% chance yes!

Dola,

I will say this tho, I view winning as my side winnig not necessarily me being alive when they do it! If I have ot take one for the team id do it!

It seems to me that some people think being alive in the end is what matters (heniz) as well as winning.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:55 PM
I think this math ignores the fact that by revealing, he helps the village to avoid lynching a villager. That's a whole new set of numbers.
Actually, the idea of choosing a villager or wolf is irrelevant to the calculation since Purdue's random roll still has to come up with someone on his cronin's list and cronin could have, I believe, put himself on the list each day and could have been the person rolled by Purdue. The rules explicitly say that it's irrelevant if the person is a rogue, villager, or wolf. The 3% is correct.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:55 PM
Oh. We're talking about with a reveal? Then it is 0%. I place it as 0% chance that Danny Ocean lives to D5 after a reveal on D1.


Pretty unlikley they dont kill him, but not a 0% chance, by not reavealnig he died! If he had revealed we have a BG and Duke ( I assume) and who knows, maybe the wolves would spend a turn killing someone else (seer) who they viewed as more dangerous. Its not a very good chance but its worth holding on to :)

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:56 PM
Clap, I'm happy to continue with this Danny Ocean discussion, but just want to remind you that I'd like to understand what changed in the time between you voted for Anxiety and your switched to cronin. I presume you had a reason when you initially voted for Anxiety yet you claim you had no reason when you switched to cronin. I want to understand the evolution of your thought.

RendeR
11-27-2007, 01:56 PM
What info could Danny Ocean get and reveal to us? That doesn't seem to be his role.


Bingo.

Danny gives us nothing, beyond knowing a good role and a 5 day chance at a winning condition, if he reveals day 1, he's worthless as he will be removed anyway. We can't learn anything from him that is useful beyond his immenent death.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:56 PM
What info could Danny Ocean get and reveal to us? That doesn't seem to be his role.

Im speaking in generalityies here. More psecifically if im the seer, and im gonna get killed i shuld say hey im the seer. I would then be protected (unless no one bleived me) and could have another shot at picking otu a bad guy. If you just die then you cant do that.

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 01:57 PM
Pretty unlikley they dont kill him, but not a 0% chance, by not reavealnig he died! If he had revealed we have a BG and Duke ( I assume) and who knows, maybe the wolves would spend a turn killing someone else (seer) who they viewed as more dangerous. Its not a very good chance but its worth holding on to :)
The Duke only saves him from lynching not from the wolves. So what percent chance do you think it is that Danny could live to Day 5 after revealing Day 1?

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:58 PM
Clap, I'm happy to continue with this Danny Ocean discussion, but just want to remind you that I'd like to understand what changed in the time between you voted for Anxiety and your switched to cronin. I presume you had a reason when you initially voted for Anxiety yet you claim you had no reason when you switched to cronin. I want to understand the evolution of your thought.


my vote for anxiety was typicall day one vote, I had no real idea ( and I tend to think heinz is smarter than me so i followed him) and i switched to cronin, becasue his logic on flip flopping seemed silly to me (not a really good reason but better than nothign)

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 01:59 PM
Bingo.

Danny gives us nothing, beyond knowing a good role and a 5 day chance at a winning condition, if he reveals day 1, he's worthless as he will be removed anyway. We can't learn anything from him that is useful beyond his immenent death.


Yeah but... It would take the bad guys a turn to kill him, adn we would have a chance 1 in 10? whatever to get one of them. now hes dead and they can kill one of us tongiht!

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 02:00 PM
The Duke only saves him from lynching not from the wolves. So what percent chance do you think it is that Danny could live to Day 5 after revealing Day 1?

Better than the 0% he gets from being dead!

I must admire your ability to get this thread to becoem all bout me! Kudos indead!

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 02:01 PM
my vote for anxiety was typicall day one vote, I had no real idea ( and I tend to think heinz is smarter than me so i followed him) and i switched to cronin, becasue his logic on flip flopping seemed silly to me (not a really good reason but better than nothign)
So basically you just went where there were some votes?

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 02:01 PM
Dola X10. I need to do some work! Argue amongst yourselves Ill be back later!

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 02:08 PM
Actually, the idea of choosing a villager or wolf is irrelevant to the calculation since Purdue's random roll still has to come up with someone on his cronin's list and cronin could have, I believe, put himself on the list each day and could have been the person rolled by Purdue. The rules explicitly say that it's irrelevant if the person is a rogue, villager, or wolf. The 3% is correct.

I'm not talking about knocking off casinos -- I'm just talking about the fact that it helps us in werewolf to not kill villagers. Not that I'm saying that means he should reveal -- that's a total judgment call.

Passacaglia
11-27-2007, 02:09 PM
Better than the 0% he gets from being dead!

I must admire your ability to get this thread to becoem all bout me! Kudos indead!

How can you accuse him of this? You've argued your point so many times, and all he's done is respond. :confused:

chesapeake
11-27-2007, 02:10 PM
Leak fixed, dishwasher still broken. Grr. :mad:

2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

I know Path has responded to this already, but I was thinking the same thing that Lathum articulated here. It did seem to me like Path may be hovering in case his vote was needed elsewhere.

Telle
11-27-2007, 02:13 PM
I can only take so much of beating of dead horses..

VOTE claphamsa

jeheinz72
11-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Wow, that's certainly a lot of pointless (to the task left at hand) discussion.

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 02:14 PM
I can only take so much of beating of dead horses..

VOTE claphamsa

thats why I stoped arguing, I will say however that I wasnt the one beating the dead horse!

PurdueBrad
11-27-2007, 02:15 PM
Vote Count, as of post 239:

Anxiety (2)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189)
Claphamsa (2)- Lathum (179), Telle (237)
Lathum (1)- Barkeep49 (162)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)

STILL TO VOTE: Chesapeake, Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Path12, Sndvls, RendeR

claphamsa
11-27-2007, 02:15 PM
Wow, that's certainly a lot of pointless (to the task left at hand) discussion.

Im sure you are thoroughly shocked!

jeheinz72
11-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Im sure you are thoroughly shocked!

Sadly I'm not ;)

Now I just need to decide if you and BK went back and forth because

A) One of you is a wolf who is picking a fight for really no good reason or

B) You two just aren't communicating well and are fighting over nothing

I'm leaning B, but it's worth some thought on my end.

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Vote Anxiety

to keep everyone honest and break the tie.

SnDvls
11-27-2007, 02:27 PM
dola,

and I need to get a vote in before I have to leave for the day in a bit.

PurdueBrad
11-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Vote Count, as of post 244:

Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Claphamsa (2)- Lathum (179), Telle (237)
Lathum (1)- Barkeep49 (162)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)

STILL TO VOTE: Chesapeake, Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Path12, RendeR

Abe Sargent
11-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Good morning all. I stayed up late last night playing Guild Wars, and just woke up a few minutes ago.

I'm getting even more votes? Surprise, surprise.

I';ll wait to casst any votes because it seems that once again, I will be forced to vote defensively

Abe Sargent
11-27-2007, 02:31 PM
Sadly I'm not ;)

Now I just need to decide if you and BK went back and forth because

A) One of you is a wolf who is picking a fight for really no good reason or

B) You two just aren't communicating well and are fighting over nothing

I'm leaning B, but it's worth some thought on my end.

Or

C). Both of you are wolves, arguing with each other in public in order to hide both of you.

RendeR
11-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Or

C). Both of you are wolves, arguing with each other in public in order to hide both of you.

He's arguing with far more than one person.

Clam: You are indeed the one doing the beating, a number of people have given points that go against our argument. Its fine if you still don't agree, but its doubtful you'll be changing anyone's mind at this stage.


Let's see if anyone comes running to save Anxiety

VOTE ANXIETY

Barkeep49
11-27-2007, 02:46 PM
Or

C). Both of you are wolves, arguing with each other in public in order to hide both of you.
I've never been good at C.

RendeR
11-27-2007, 02:46 PM
Againt "your" argument, sorry I tend to typo a lot.