WW: Quick Thanksgiving Week Game (Game Over!)

[Barkeep49]

I figure there might be some people like me who are around for Thanksgiving and might enjoy a quick game before Purdue's start. So, if there's interest, I'm going to host a quick 6 person game. We'll do 24 hour cycles with 10 PM Eastern Deadlines. The game will start as soon as 6 people sign-up with the idea of having a D1 Deadline today.

Schedule would be (assuming we get 6 today by around 1 Eastern):
Day 1: Tuesday 10 PM
Day 2: Wednesday 10 PM
Day 3: Friday 10 PM
Day 4: Sunday 10 PM

I find it highly unlikely a game could go beyond Day 4.

Typical WW game, EXCEPT all people may PM each other. Roles are:
Wolf 1
Wolf 2
Seer
Anti-Seer (Wins with wolves, may scan people)
Body Guard
Duke

Player List:
1. Render
2. PurdueBrad
3. path12
4. Alan T
5. Chief Rum
6. claphamsa

[RendeR]

Oh why not =)

IN

[PurdueBrad]

I'm in as well BK.

[path12]

I'll bite.

[Alan T]

Im in. I'm in California until Sunday so this should be over by then.

[Lorena]

So this is like a turbo WW game... very intriguing, I'll follow along.

[Lorena]

that was not an in, btw

[Barkeep49]

So this is like a turbo WW game... very intriguing, I'll follow along.
Hopefully we'll get six to play, as I think it should be a fun quick game and it would be intriguing indeed :).

[Passacaglia]

Would be cool if this game ended Night 1.

[Barkeep49]

Would be cool if this game ended Night 1.
It's impossible since the wolf would have to kill himself even if 1 did get lynched.

[Passacaglia]

It's impossible since the wolf would have to kill himself even if 1 did get lynched.

I was imagining the wolves winning. But your way would be cool, too!

[path12]

that was not an in, btw

Tease. :(

[claphamsa]

in

[Chief Rum]

Would I wrap it? If so, I am in. Let's get it going.

[claphamsa]

Are we gonna post in this thread? if so im a good guy!

[Barkeep49]

You thought going on a yaht with a few friends from College would be fun. Little did you know that two of the people on the boat aren't really your friends at all. In fact they resent your success since college a whole lot and are willing to extract their revenge through murder. Now you are stuck in the middle of the ocean with some stonecold killers. Can you find them before they find you?

Since we're getting off to a late start, we might not be able to get a lynch in today. If we can't, that's fine and we'll just play on Monday, if needed. Remember you may freely PM any player in the game. I would ask that you include me on the PMs so I can be entertained behind the scenes.

[claphamsa]

pms huh? interesting twist! once again, im the good guy!

[PurdueBrad]

College grad good guy here. Won't be on a ton today but will try my best.

[Alan T]

I'm here, I'm a good guy. Interesting that we can all PM each other. I am not sure exactly what I would say to anyone just yet. But something I will think about.

Since it is a barkeep game and barkeep loves reveals, I'll look down that path a bit more today than most day 1s.. We have 6 players, 3 bad, 3 good. The wolves will be able to coordinate with each other alot better than we can.

So for arguement sake, what would happen if we all revealed day 1? I assume the wolves could lie about it, it would be 3 votes for each, the duke would be able to break the tie in the place he thinks best.. But then the wolves that night can kill right back to even it up unless the bodyguard gets lucky, and day 2 I assume we won't have a duke power to help us... So don't think that is the best approach just yet.

A second approach to consider.. I as a good guy know I am good. I know of the 5 remaining people out there, that 3 of you are bad. I have a 60% chance of nailing a bad guy today. That has to be about the best possible ever odds for any day of WW of getting a bad guy... The only problem is if you mess up today, and a night kill tonight would mean only 1 good guy left, and virtually no shot to win...

So today is a very important vote... I encourage everyone to place votes out early.. if a good guy is going to be lynched, please reveal with enough time for us to change votes or a duke to be able to change the vote as needed... This is probably the most important day 1 vote in WW history on this board :)

[Alan T]

Dola, as I am out in California this week, I am on Path12 Standard time.. I doubt I will be around at the deadline or possibly even up to the deadline.. so I would like to make my wild guess in the next hour and have time to change it if people give me a reason to.

[Alan T]

dola dola,

One nice thing about this game with the ability to PM anyone.. if you are a good guy going down, you don't have to reveal to everyone.. you could reveal via PM to the people who are around and can change their vote.. if they still don't move it, you at least can give us a pointer on who to kill tommorrow (if we still have a shot at least)

[claphamsa]

I am in agreement mostly with Alan, and since im gonna be gone for the next 3 hours. hopefully we can work from here!

vote render

[path12]

Grad here, beyotches. Where's the keg?

[Chief Rum]

I think that's a risky play, Alan. I think if we go head to head with the wolves, we will lose. I'll admit I haven't played out the scenario yet as you started it, but it doesn't seem to start good and would require us to get lucky at one point or another (with the duke's call, witht he BG protection, etc.).

Otherwise, I agree. I also like the idea of using PMs for reveals.

[Chief Rum]

I am in agreement mostly with Alan, and since im gonna be gone for the next 3 hours. hopefully we can work from here!

vote render

Hmm, seems kinda risky to throw a vote out there with no reason. Not that Render is any worse a choice than anyone else. Why Render?

[Alan T]

I think that's a risky play, Alan. I think if we go head to head with the wolves, we will lose. I'll admit I haven't played out the scenario yet as you started it, but it doesn't seem to start good and would require us to get lucky at one point or another (with the duke's call, witht he BG protection, etc.).

Otherwise, I agree. I also like the idea of using PMs for reveals.


Well the only problem I see is:

Currently day 1 we are 3-3. Means with partys split it is a tie, with us having the duke on our side. If we duke a wolf, then its 3-2 with no more duke. That night the wolves make a kill and the next day its 2-2 this time without the duke to break the tie for us. So it not only requires us to get lucky with the duke guessing the right person, it also requires the BG to make a good play too.

The alternative to that is if we vote wrong today, and lynch a villager its 3-2, then with night kill its 3-1... and if the duke was the one night killed it means game over tommorrow with the vote...

So yeah we need to do whatever it takes to win today's vote.. very crucial for us.

[Alan T]

BK, I assume the wolves have to kill all of us to win and not simply get 1-1?

[Chief Rum]

BK, I assume the wolves have to kill all of us to win and not simply get 1-1?

I would think 1:1. The anti-seer counts for the villagers in the count.

[Alan T]

I would think 1:1. The anti-seer counts for the villagers in the count.


Well if that is the case, if we lynch a villager -OR- the anti-seer that leaves it at 3 humans to 2 wolves, and a night kill of anyone (even the anti-seer) brings it to a 2:2 ratio meaning the wolves win in day 1... So that is why I was curious about that and wasn't as sure that was true this game.

[Alan T]

Well, I have about 30 minutes or so before I need to leave.. so want to get my vote out there with a bit of time to move it if given a reason to.

Vote Chief RUm

Main reason... he's around right now and if I need to move my vote he can give me a reason to possibly.

[Barkeep49]

It's 1:1, but the wolves can't win until the conclusion of D2/start of D3.

[Chief Rum]

Well if that is the case, if we lynch a villager -OR- the anti-seer that leaves it at 3 humans to 2 wolves, and a night kill of anyone (even the anti-seer) brings it to a 2:2 ratio meaning the wolves win in day 1... So that is why I was curious about that and wasn't as sure that was true this game.

Shoot, you're right. Okay, not that I disagreed that this was a critical vote, but now I see what you're driving at.

[Chief Rum]

It's 1:1, but the wolves can't win until the conclusion of D2/start of D3.

Oh, well, that changes that. Still an important vote, of course.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I have about 30 minutes or so before I need to leave.. so want to get my vote out there with a bit of time to move it if given a reason to.

Vote Chief RUm

Main reason... he's around right now and if I need to move my vote he can give me a reason to possibly.

Heh...not sure what reason I can give. I'm not a wolf. There's a good reason. :)

I am actually more concerned about claphamsa's hit and run vote than that you are a wolf hiding out in the open, Alan.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

I may be leaving soon, too, so this may be it.

[claphamsa]

Hmm, seems kinda risky to throw a vote out there with no reason. Not that Render is any worse a choice than anyone else. Why Render?
''completely random,

[Alan T]

After a short PM conversation with Chief, I am not convinced enough to move my vote off of him. I get a feel that he is a wolf, and if not I feel that worst case scenerio I won't be losing a role that really bothers me to see gone and won't put us too far behind the 8 ball.

Good luck to all on this vote!

[Chief Rum]

''completely random,

Well, at least you're upfront with that. I'm sticking with my vote for now.

[Barkeep49]

Please try to remember to CC me on PM conversations. It's a not a huge deal if you don't, but it would provide me with amusement. And just so you know I originally designed this as an 8 person game, but figured 8 would be problematic so I tried adjusting to 6, which might not have been a perfect transition.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Chief Rum

No better way to go right now.

[Chief Rum]

Vote Chief Rum

No better way to go right now.

Curious, but why? Why would you want to kill that role?

[Chief Rum]

Well, I'm losing soon, so I need the self-preservation vote.

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA

VOTE RENDER

[Barkeep49]

Since Render hasn't been around, I'm going to go ahead and make the D1 deadline 10 PM Wednesday.

[Barkeep49]

I'm also accepting conditional orders based on who gets lynched. If there is a duking or some last minute vote switching the idea is not to rob people of their night action.

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry, was gone. I guess I'm not quite sure I see what the anti-seer does other than win with the wolves.

[claphamsa]

Sorry, was gone. I guess I'm not quite sure I see what the anti-seer does other than win with the wolves.

are you the anti seer? or ami just drunk? most likely both!

[path12]

I'm going to hold off on my vote for a little bit. Will check back later.

[claphamsa]

weI'm going to hold off on my vote for a little bit. Will check back later.
well we do have an additional day now :)

[Alan T]

are you the anti seer? or ami just drunk? most likely both!

I am guessing his response was to Chief Rum who also mentioned in a PM to me that he was the anti-seer ie: my earlier post stating that I don't know if I believe him completely (ie: he could be a wolf saying he is the anti-seer but hoping this would drive people to vote elsewhere) and worst case he is telling the truth, it is not a horrible loss killing the anti-seer.

Or he could be drunk.

[Chief Rum]

Sorry, was gone. I guess I'm not quite sure I see what the anti-seer does other than win with the wolves.

I don't see it either. My plan all along is just to win with the wolves. I am hoping they will tell me who they are, so I don't have to scan for them.

[RendeR]

Hey folks, My sincere apologies for not being around earlier. It was an odd day at work and even odder afterwards. My mental state is definitely not at its best but Thanks to BK it won't efect the game (thanks for delaying day 1 till tomorrow!)

Hrm...seems there is some interesting day 1 votes out there.

I will....givea payback vote:

VOTE CLAMYDIA ERR...CLAPHAMCHUCK...ERR WHATEVER... THE CLAM NAME GUY

[claphamsa]

Hey folks, My sincere apologies for not being around earlier. It was an odd day at work and even odder afterwards. My mental state is definitely not at its best but Thanks to BK it won't efect the game (thanks for delaying day 1 till tomorrow!)

Hrm...seems there is some interesting day 1 votes out there.

I will....givea payback vote:

VOTE CLAMYDIA ERR...CLAPHAMCHUCK...ERR WHATEVER... THE CLAM NAME GUY

grrrr

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, wish I would've been drunk but Alan hit the nail on the head. I was referring to a PM I received regarding Chief's role. As I said, I wasn't that sure about the anti-seer role (although I think I've got it now) which means the most dangerous part of that role is that it gives the wolves another voting entity. Meaning 3 of 6 right now can definitely sway the game. I'm willing to knock Chief out to take it down to 2 of 5 and then hope we can get a wolf day two. Although with our low numbers, this may not be the best play, so I'm willing to listen.

[claphamsa]

Yeah, wish I would've been drunk but Alan hit the nail on the head. I was referring to a PM I received regarding Chief's role. As I said, I wasn't that sure about the anti-seer role (although I think I've got it now) which means the most dangerous part of that role is that it gives the wolves another voting entity. Meaning 3 of 6 right now can definitely sway the game. I'm willing to knock Chief out to take it down to 2 of 5 and then hope we can get a wolf day two. Although with our low numbers, this may not be the best play, so I'm willing to listen.

So you belive chief?

[Alan T]

Yeah, wish I would've been drunk but Alan hit the nail on the head. I was referring to a PM I received regarding Chief's role. As I said, I wasn't that sure about the anti-seer role (although I think I've got it now) which means the most dangerous part of that role is that it gives the wolves another voting entity. Meaning 3 of 6 right now can definitely sway the game. I'm willing to knock Chief out to take it down to 2 of 5 and then hope we can get a wolf day two. Although with our low numbers, this may not be the best play, so I'm willing to listen.

If we vote out the anti-seer today, that makes it 3-2 good guys, with night kill its back to 2-2 but we still have the duke on our side. Lucky Bodyguard block and its still 3-2 and looking good.

If we take a shot at someone else, and miss then game is pretty much over. If we take a shot at someone else and hit, its still the same effect as if we went after the anti-seer with the only exception being the wolf to human ratio. as BK mentioned earlier the ratio doesn't go into effect until after day 2, so being 2-2 isn't a problem after tonight's night kill and is almost unavoidable without a lucky bodyguard block.

Right now I am guessing we take out the anti-seer and the wolves either help us or we find out who they are by them voting for someone else (Like Render did)

[Alan T]

So you belive chief?

Can you give me any reason that Chief would be lying to make me not want to vote for him? I can think of two other possible lies that he could be making and in neither case it would make me want to move my vote from him. Can you give me a new fourth scenerio that I haven't already thought of?

[claphamsa]

Can you give me any reason that Chief would be lying to make me not want to vote for him? I can think of two other possible lies that he could be making and in neither case it would make me want to move my vote from him. Can you give me a new fourth scenerio that I haven't already thought of?

um, well reasons he would lie, hes a wolf, hes the duke and wants to controll who dies, cant think of another reason to lie! so......

[claphamsa]

ps, im not saying i dont belive him!

[Alan T]

um, well reasons he would lie, hes a wolf, hes the duke and wants to controll who dies, cant think of another reason to lie! so......

That is not a very convincing arguement :)

[Alan T]

P.S. nice signature.. that is about as long as I have dominated WW too!

[claphamsa]

That is not a very convincing arguement :)

I wasnt making an argument, just asking if you belived chief :)

[claphamsa]

P.S. nice signature.. that is about as long as I have dominated WW too!

thanks, I actulally did pretty good in my last game! Made one big mistake, and won anyways! whew!

[Alan T]

I wasnt making an argument, just asking if you belived chief :)

Ok good, now we got that out of the way.. since you haven't been able to give a good arguement for why not to vote for Chief, and actually have given two great reasons to vote for him... What about Render is it that you feel makes him an even better choice?

If you feel the way you say, why didn't you move your vote to Chief previously?

[claphamsa]

Ok good, now we got that out of the way.. since you haven't been able to give a good arguement for why not to vote for Chief, and actually have given two great reasons to vote for him... What about Render is it that you feel makes him an even better choice?

If you feel the way you say, why didn't you move your vote to Chief previously?

I dont feel any way. And I havent changed becasue we still have 10 hours till the vote :)

[Alan T]

I dont feel any way. And I havent changed becasue we still have 10 hours till the vote :)


That is fairly non-commital of you then :)

Just curious because you come across as somewhat defending someone who has a likely chance of being bad, and then are voting with him on someone else for no real good reason other than it being a day 1 vote rather than vote for someone who admittedly has come out and said he was bad, without giving any good reason not to vote for him.

Surely you can see my problem with perception here :)

[claphamsa]

That is fairly non-commital of you then :)

Just curious because you come across as somewhat defending someone who has a likely chance of being bad, and then are voting with him on someone else for no real good reason other than it being a day 1 vote rather than vote for someone who admittedly has come out and said he was bad, without giving any good reason not to vote for him.

Surely you can see my problem with perception here :)

sure i can, but....

He voted with me in an attempt to save his life! and im nto defending him at all, I jsut wanted to knwo why someone would belive him. to me it seems that his reveal sentenced him to death, so why would he do it? what would he hope to gain? I tend to think things through by typing them :) so most of my ideas are half baked at best.

[Alan T]

While I am on the subject, I am also puzzled by Render's vote. Render always comes out yelling and screaming and kicking about not listening to a known bad guy, and why you should always vote for him.. yet here he didn't.

[path12]

Well, I'm pleased to note that according to my PM replies nobody is bad in this game except for Chief being the wolf lover.

Whew! That's a relief! Where's the turkey? ;)

[path12]

There is only one vote to make today.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[path12]

P.S. nice signature.. that is about as long as I have dominated WW too!

Says the guy who won WW Survivor! Be careful, clapham!

[Passacaglia]

It's 1:1, but the wolves can't win until the conclusion of D2/start of D3.

Boo!

[claphamsa]

Boo!
so ur a wolf and you want and easy win?

[Barkeep49]

so ur a wolf and you want and easy win?
Psst. Pass isn't playing :)

[claphamsa]

Psst. Pass isn't playing :)

I dont need any details!!! :P

[RendeR]

Hi folks, go a few minutes to check in and respond to some things...


Alan: I appreciate your effort on that PM, however the first thing that sprang to my mind is that you are a wolf looking for one of the three good roles. So frankly, I'll answer your question: I am not a wolf. (He asked me to name a role that I am not)

Clam: No offense meant with my vote there, was just tired and wanted to have some fun after mistyping your name like a dozen times.

Chief: I dunno what you think you're pulling with the PM stunt. I have a LOT more respect for your playing skills than to take that PM as a realistic action. I don't for a second actually believe you are the Anti-Seer. What you are is definitely in question however.

Alan-redux: My vote on Clam was based on both my complete disbelief in Chief's PM and the fact that he voted for me. I have a reason for NOT voting for Chief Rum, and that is my belief that he's lying through his teeth about being the anti-seer. I don't see a wolf making that play, it just draws attention directly to them, so I have to believe at this point that CR is one of the 3 good guys and is trying to flush out a wolf by hoping they'd come trotting along like some dazed monkey after a treat.

So, I'm keeping my vote on Clam. For now at least. If I had a good reason to vote elsewhere I will gladly move it. I AM beginning to suspect Alan after his very well thought out and carefully worded PM to me made the hair stand up on end. I think it was a very well worded attempt to learn my role directly to set up a night kill.

In fact:

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA

VOTE ALAN T

[Alan T]

Well I guess this answers any questions I had about you. :)

It is interesting however that those I have the most trust for have been more open to what role they may or may not have while those I don't trust a ton aren't interested in being caught in a lie. So far no one has claimed a role that someone else had.. so Right now I have a fairly solid CoT in my mind on who the other two people are on my team.

I have 1 other person that I am waiting to hear back from that could change some of that up, but I think once Chief dies, hopefully the BG gets a good block in and I know exactly where I am going tommorrow with my vote.

Hi folks, go a few minutes to check in and respond to some things...


Alan: I appreciate your effort on that PM, however the first thing that sprang to my mind is that you are a wolf looking for one of the three good roles. So frankly, I'll answer your question: I am not a wolf. (He asked me to name a role that I am not)

Clam: No offense meant with my vote there, was just tired and wanted to have some fun after mistyping your name like a dozen times.

Chief: I dunno what you think you're pulling with the PM stunt. I have a LOT more respect for your playing skills than to take that PM as a realistic action. I don't for a second actually believe you are the Anti-Seer. What you are is definitely in question however.

Alan-redux: My vote on Clam was based on both my complete disbelief in Chief's PM and the fact that he voted for me. I have a reason for NOT voting for Chief Rum, and that is my belief that he's lying through his teeth about being the anti-seer. I don't see a wolf making that play, it just draws attention directly to them, so I have to believe at this point that CR is one of the 3 good guys and is trying to flush out a wolf by hoping they'd come trotting along like some dazed monkey after a treat.

So, I'm keeping my vote on Clam. For now at least. If I had a good reason to vote elsewhere I will gladly move it. I AM beginning to suspect Alan after his very well thought out and carefully worded PM to me made the hair stand up on end. I think it was a very well worded attempt to learn my role directly to set up a night kill.

In fact:

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA

VOTE ALAN T

[Lorena]

Full PM capabilites eh? Very interesting.

[RendeR]

Yeah, you shoulda seen Alan T's PM to me, I thought I was the victim of a WW phishing scam....

[Alan T]

Yeah, you shoulda seen Alan T's PM to me, I thought I was the victim of a WW phishing scam....

Considering everyone except Chief Rum basically got the same PM from me, I'm not sure why you are making it seem like I am trying to out the seer :)

I pretty much succeeded in my goal and I feel I have a good idea which other 2 people are good guys and what roles they have. I figured to cover my basis I would talk to the people I distrusted as well, and I pretty much got the predictable response.

[Lorena]

Hey Purduebrad http://www.techzonez.com/forums/images/smilies/happybday.gif

[RendeR]

Considering everyone except Chief Rum basically got the same PM from me, I'm not sure why you are making it seem like I am trying to out the seer :)

I pretty much succeeded in my goal and I feel I have a good idea which other 2 people are good guys and what roles they have. I figured to cover my basis I would talk to the people I distrusted as well, and I pretty much got the predictable response.

All the more evidence that you and chief are both looking for someone. If I were actually trying to find something out I'd be sending PM's to everyone too. Doesn't make sense to send to only one or two people you learn nothing that way.

[Alan T]

All the more evidence that you and chief are both looking for someone. If I were actually trying to find something out I'd be sending PM's to everyone too. Doesn't make sense to send to only one or two people you learn nothing that way.

You are right, I was looking for someone(s), my fellow good guys. So of course I wanted to probe people. The good news is that I also know which role is which as well based on knowing what role I have. So I do know who the seer is, and I have no intentions of sharing it with you. I think with Chief being lynched today, its going to come down to whether or not we have a lucky BG block tonight or not.. since you all will know who the good guys are too just don't know which of us is which role.

[path12]

All the more evidence that you and chief are both looking for someone. If I were actually trying to find something out I'd be sending PM's to everyone too. Doesn't make sense to send to only one or two people you learn nothing that way.

I sent one out to everyone also.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Chief Rum

vote Alan T.

Thrown by the PM, especially since many got it rather than a couple that he may have trusted/guessed at.

[Alan T]

Ahh man, I made a poor guess on who the good guys were. Ahh well, nice job PB and Render.

[Chief Rum]

Self preservation vote.

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE ALAN T

[Alan T]

Nice job wolves.. late vote switches when everyone else is away.

Good luck good guys, and happy turkey day for everyone

[Chief Rum]

Nice job wolves.. late vote switches when everyone else is away.

Good luck good guys, and happy turkey day for everyone

Nice try, Alan. I'm not falling for that. I hope everyone feels the same way I do.

[Alan T]

Nice try, Alan. I'm not falling for that. I hope everyone feels the same way I do.

Falling for what? It doesn't really matter at this point. Everyone will find out in 3 minutes that I am the bodyguard, and we pretty much lost this game. I give credit to PurdueBrad because his play I think was good. Render I think I was pretty on to.

No one is around to change things other than the wolves anyway and I know they have no interest in moving in the last 2 minutes. I know who is what role and I am not sharing as I go down.

[Alan T]

Well its deadline. Hope everyone has a good turkey day and football watching.. Go Falcons!

[RendeR]

Go Falcons!



I think I've discovered the root of your troubles Alan ;)

[Alan T]

I think I've discovered the root of your troubles Alan ;)

Probably right, but I would love it if they upset the colts! :)

[Barkeep49]

Plop. Overboard goes Alan. The boat speeds off and you leave him to drown. As you explore through his locker you see that he was the strong type. The type to guard.

When you awake in the morning you find another of your kind dead, it's path, who had the ability to see people for what they truly were.

We're on Day 2

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry Alan. Let's try this again and quickly:

vote RendeR

[RendeR]

*chuckles*

Poor PB, all alone....does it feel lonely on the boat?

Vote PurdueBrad

Vote nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

vote nightfall as well. And yeah, definitely feels lonely on the boat. Now I wish I would've had one more drink before coming home, wouldn't have been here in time to make that colossal error!

[Chief Rum]

Heh...sorry PB.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Chief Rum]

Of course, PB can extend this a day with his ability, but that's about it.

[PurdueBrad]

Well played guys. As I said via PM, I wasn't sold on the Alan T. vote until he started the doom/gloom that's game talk. I usually equate that with a wolf trying to get out of a lynch and misread it.

[RendeR]

It didn't help that both Chief and I fed you BS via PM to keep you as confused as possible =)

[RendeR]

And even if PB dukes one of us that just means he dies a horrible dorwning death at the end of night 2 and we win then either way. So its all good.

I was just worried that you'd Duke it over to chief or I for some reason PB and then we get busted on the BG play and end up way behind.

But in the end it all came out well =)


AROOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo AR AR ARRrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[PurdueBrad]

It didn't help that both Chief and I fed you BS via PM to keep you as confused as possible =)

True, although what really got me was this:

When I initially switched my vote to Alan T., I thought he was good and was trying to see if people would follow and I truly had the intention of switching my vote right at deadline. But Alan's reaction via PM was so over the top that I thought he had to be a wolf or he missed the reference. So I PM'ed him again pointing him back to it but got a similar response and thought, "well, he MUST be a wolf" so I didn't bother questioning anything else.

[claphamsa]

vote pb
vote nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

I couldn't have played that any worse and accept any and all mockery and derision from now until the end of time.

[Chief Rum]

I couldn't have played that any worse and accept any and all mockery and derision from now until the end of time.

We have all made poor decisions in WW games. I wouldn't beat myself up too much on this one if I were you. You will make mistakes again, and so will I, and Render, and if he continues to play, claphamsa, too.

[path12]

Well, that was quick.

[path12]

Kind of funny that Alan and I had pretty much figured out who was who day 1 and we're still going to lose! ;)

[Alan T]

Is it wrong for me to be doom and gloom if my death means the end of the game? :)

I was convinced the two good guys were PB and Path and I was right on their roles. Then when PB made his move I secondguessed it all and started wondering if Chief was the duke after all.. then he moved his vote and I just gave up.

The reason I thought I was wrong about PB was.. you don't move from a known bad guy to vote for a maybe good, maybe bad guy on a hunch when it could cost you the game. All I wanted was PB to confirm he was not the seer which would have locked in my trust for both Path and him. Instead of responding, he went the other way and voted for me, then later sent a halfway apology PM.. at that point after he moved his vote, I figured I guessed wrong about him and was kicking myself.

[Alan T]

Dola, happy bday though PurdueBrad! :)

[PurdueBrad]

Is it wrong for me to be doom and gloom if my death means the end of the game? :)

No, I just associated it with wolf desperation, particularly when I said that basically my vote switch was temporary. At that point, I was choosing between Chief and Path at that point as possible wolves and was seeing if one or the other would come along, essentially outing themselves. But then I just completely misread both your PM reaction and thread reaction.

[path12]

I thought it was an automatic vote on Chief. The only way he says what he does is if:

1) He is looking for the wolves, finds them, and they have an instant 3 vote block.
2) He is a duke looking for a wolf in order to switch the vote.
3) He is a wolf trying to get folks to look the other way.

#1 by far is the most dangerous possibility. He has to be lynched if you're good.

[claphamsa]

We have all made poor decisions in WW games. I wouldn't beat myself up too much on this one if I were you. You will make mistakes again, and so will I, and Render, and if he continues to play, claphamsa, too.

Im sure I will, i need to disect this game when i get bored at work tommorow. I have no idea what happend. I sent a joke pm to i think chief, and they believed me. im so confused, but i have to go cook a turkey now.

[Barkeep49]

For all intensive purposes the game is over. I messed up in changing it from 8 to 6. I should have had the wolves not know who each other were. I think that would have provided an extra level of difficulty that likely could have made it more balanced. I would like to run it again at some point with the full 8 players since I think we saw some of the potential here for deception and gameplay. Thanks to the six of you for playing. Sorry I messed up the game design.

[path12]

For all intensive purposes the game is over. I messed up in changing it from 8 to 6. I should have had the wolves not know who each other were. I think that would have provided an extra level of difficulty that likely could have made it more balanced. I would like to run it again at some point with the full 8 players since I think we saw some of the potential here for deception and gameplay. Thanks to the six of you for playing. Sorry I messed up the game design.

I found the PM mechanic fun. What was it like on your end?

[Barkeep49]

I found the PM mechanic fun. What was it like on your end?
It was very interesting. I expected a ploy like Chief's and so it was neat watching it play out behind the scenes. Also interesting were Alan's attempts to figure out everyone's roles by having them eliminate one. I loved the comparison of it, though, to a phising scheme. That made me laugh.

[Alan T]

For all intensive purposes the game is over. I messed up in changing it from 8 to 6. I should have had the wolves not know who each other were. I think that would have provided an extra level of difficulty that likely could have made it more balanced. I would like to run it again at some point with the full 8 players since I think we saw some of the potential here for deception and gameplay. Thanks to the six of you for playing. Sorry I messed up the game design.

I don't think you messed it up at all. Path and I were talking in PM that we had pretty much everyone figured out what roles everyone was. It was ours to win/lose and we just couldn't convince PB. I think this ruleset was just fine honestly BK.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think you messed it up at all. Path and I were talking in PM that we had pretty much everyone figured out what roles everyone was. It was ours to win/lose and we just couldn't convince PB. I think this ruleset was just fine honestly BK.
Yeah but there shouldn't be an all or nothing d1.

[PurdueBrad]

Barkeep, good game, and I liked the PM mechanic as well.

I want to say Happy Thanksgiving to all the WW players out there (and didn't want to start a new thread to say it). Hope you all have a great couple days with your various friends/families and thanks to you guys for the entertainment over the last couple months. Glad I stumbled into here.

[RendeR]

Yeah but there shouldn't be an all or nothing d1.


The only reason it was so cut and dried is the lack of filler players. With every single player havin a role it allowed the free=PM-ing to set up insta-win scenarios.

more people is all that ruleset needs =)

great game!

[path12]

Barkeep, good game, and I liked the PM mechanic as well.

I want to say Happy Thanksgiving to all the WW players out there (and didn't want to start a new thread to say it). Hope you all have a great couple days with your various friends/families and thanks to you guys for the entertainment over the last couple months. Glad I stumbled into here.

Ditto. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!